what about me
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
terse sluice
tranquil orchid
terse sluice
lul
rough sapphire
you staff are quite chatty
tranquil orchid
they are scheming
rough sapphire
yeah you are too new
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terse sluice
oh, 11 months now
tranquil orchid
that aint 8
terse sluice
time goes fast
honest star
lol @ 2 active infractions
terse sluice
lol
tranquil orchid
!user
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tranquil orchid
f
terse sluice
!user @tranquil orchid
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tranquil orchid
wait i've been here 5 months
rough sapphire
you are sooo new man
honest star
huh, the muted role is above the pydis core developers role?
rough sapphire
only 11 months
tranquil orchid
yeah same
terse sluice
met some great people, learned some new things, and had lots of fun
honest star
for real. Even past python I've just learned good coding habits and other systems that I didn't know existed but are very useful (hi docker)
rough sapphire
how long has ned batchler been here
tranquil orchid
I've just learnt a lot about the world of programming in general
young shoal
ned is famous
honest star
his pycon talks are so good
rough sapphire
yeah i know him
tranquil orchid
right ima get back to work
rough sapphire
not personally
tranquil orchid
this school week is gonna be hell
young shoal
yep :/
rough sapphire
haha teh first week is over for me and im exhausted
young shoal
o, just starting my second week
rough sapphire
yeah im start second
terse sluice
this is my third week
young shoal
hah
rough sapphire
@terse sluice when did you become helper
young shoal
that's like 9 months ago
rough sapphire
two months in and helper
terse sluice
hah, it’ll be exactly 9 months in a few hours
rough sapphire
you learned very fast
terse sluice
yeah
topaz aurora
smh I wasn't even a day into this server and I was already talking about monads
young shoal
bruh
edgy crest
i have a debate on ai today..
edgy crest
umm ai
young shoal
just...all ai?
edgy crest
its a kids class debate
english teacher
so ofc
its just favour and against
and i think the teacher expects answers like, ai can destroy the world, ai can save the world
young shoal
huh, i guess
young shoal
have you not prepared anything
edgy crest
no ;-;
young shoal
oh come on man
edgy crest
well my turn came and i made a total fool out of myself
mild abyss
@edgy crest hmmm reminds me of highschool
edgy crest
ooh
edgy crest
what?
edgy crest
so whats it for
tranquil orchid
circle
edgy crest
circle's what
tranquil orchid
midpoint or radius
edgy crest
ok
edgy crest
hm
simple sand
hey anyone know about domain adn stuff
tranquil orchid
what about it
tranquil orchid
No i haven't done much stuff on that front
simple sand
ooh if anybody knows how I can host a domain and not have a simple html file pls ping me
quick ledge
yeah lol
simple sand
@edgy crest i thought that the og formula was
(a+b)^2 = (a^2 +2ab + b^2)
it is the samething but wy did u make it opposite
kinda
edgy crest
its the same thing
simple sand
ik i said that
simple sand
ik
edgy crest
in that it has to be in middle
simple sand
ye just curious
edgy crest
k
quick ledge
why would it have to be in the middle for subtraction?
simple sand
cause that's the formula
edgy crest
well if you want proof
quick ledge
nah mate, it doesn't matter
simple sand
(a-b)^2 = (a^2-2ab+b^2)
yes and the reason is actually rly simple
quick ledge
you could write:
(a-b)^2 = (a^2+b^2 -2ab) too
simple sand
you can just factorize the (a-b)^2 u will get
(a^2-2ab+b^2)
edgy crest
just do (a-b) * (a-b)
simple sand
you could write:
(a-b)^2 = (a^2+b^2 -2ab)too
@quick ledge yes u can but in most situation this is not needed
edgy crest
mhm
quick ledge
it has nothing to do with needs
simple sand
yes it does u apply forula in certain situations so it does
quick ledge
nah Im saying that the way yo write it has nothing to do with needs
i just always keep the ab in the middle
@tranquil orchid same.
edgy crest
lol one guy in my class is asking is corn flour made of wheat
young shoal
pay attention
edgy crest
i read the chapter 2 times alr
tranquil orchid
read it again
edgy crest
no need to
eternal wing
Hello! Good to see you yellow(ish, my nightlight is on) and also back xD
quick ledge
YAYYYYYY
welcome back, definitely missed you
and waitaminute
you are a helper now
eternal wing
Congrats
quick ledge
congrats dude
solid pollen
Thanks! 😄
narrow pecan
@solid pollen Awesome to have you back and to see that you're a helper! I would say congrats, but I think it's more like the rest of the staff team and community's win 😄
solid pollen
Aha, thank you very much, that's really nice to hear 
eternal wing
now let the mutiny begin jkjk, i love the community and staff here, no mutinies
narrow pecan
AHhahh why though
@eternal wing I was the ot-champion yesterday btw 
** Server champ
solid pollen
narrow pecan
Most messages sent ahhah
solid pollen
Aha
narrow pecan
I'll put that on my resume
eternal wing
Lolol, nice. But was it official though
Most words sent via "snake" on the server for sure
solid pollen
I think I’m the person with the least amount of time on this server getting the helper role (15h) haha
narrow pecan
You mean after rejoining?
solid pollen
Yup, after joining
@edgy crest you should take a look at the message here 129606635545952258
That’s... not a message link haha
edgy crest
lol
solid pollen
Discord?
edgy crest
?
solid pollen
I swear I’m clicking on copy message link
It is one of the pinned message in #community-meta though
The 5th one
edgy crest
k
narrow pecan
I swear I’m clicking on copy message link
@solid pollen That's what they all say
stuck meteor
C:\Users\florm>reg add Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run /v Application /t REG_SZ /d "C:\Users\florm\AppData\Local\Application.exe"
ERRORE: nome chiave non valido.
Digitare "REG ADD /?" per informazioni sulla sintassi.
``` How may i fix this?Keeps saying "not valid key name"
edgy crest
what language are you using..
eternal wing
Do i win a prize if i guess? Is it italian?
topaz aurora
It is lol
pliant spoke
Hahaha
topaz aurora
It's very distinct
honest star
-_- ugh working on base is so sloooooow. How is the work network this bad on site.
One day I'll actually log into my account
young shoal
just go faster
honest star
If the network is still this slow by lunch I'm just going home
Maybe take one of the monitors with me
tranquil orchid
Maybe get some rgb in there
young shoal
shoooot put led strips on the network cables
honest star
Red makes it go faster, right?
tranquil orchid
+2x speed for each colour you have
honest star
=O
Work purchase justification for rainbow led strip: "makes the network faster, I promise"
young shoal
never-enough-threadsrgb
tranquil orchid
Yeah all the major companies do it
You shine some rgb light into the fibre optic cables
And you get speed
honest star
I would kill for a fiber connection at work
undone berry
I'm amazed they don't have one if they're a reasonably sized company
honest star
It's uhhhhh, a unique situation
Like, last year I really pushed to upgrade our one network to something that wasn't literally old phone lines. So we finally got cat4 cable
eternal wing
I'd like to imagine you got one cat4 and need to take turns using it.
young shoal
first person in the office gets first use
people line up outside like they're trying to buy the new iphone
halcyon mantle
young shoal
for each person
rough sapphire
Holy moly @solid pollen is now a helper
anyone here who can help me with a flask problem?
quick ledge
maybe ask in #web-development ? Also mention the problem.
rough sapphire
in flask i have a navigation bar that lets the user switch between multiple html pages. the contents of the html pages are dynamic and i currently have the problem that when html page 2 wants to redirect to html page 1 there will be an 400 bad request error because the dynamic content that is supposed to be displayed in html page 1 is not known by html page 2. html page 1 only knows what to display because at the start of the execution there is a python script that passes these values as parameters to the html page. but the other html pages dont know these parameters so is there any way to make a html page "remember" the dynamic contents it is supposed to be displaying?
@quick ledge do you know of any flask discord servers?
quick ledge
I have never used flask lol
honest star
@rough sapphire There is the pallettes server (they made and maintain flask). They're partnered with this server so the link to their server should be in #315249263103967242
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Possibly storing it locally in a cookie?
Not sure if that's a reasonable solution or not, though
I'm really not well versed in web stuffs
rough sapphire
i read that the size of cookies should be like less than 400 bytes
plucky ridge
Sure and that'd just be the input that triggered B
rough sapphire
the image is just a simplification though, actually the text input on A triggers an api call that returns more data
plucky ridge
So it's not like....
Like when you're filling out a form online and you hit Back and lose all your fields?
It's more about reloading stuff gotten from the server?
This still seems like the better option, especially if the data is usually confidential
The folks in #web-development would have a much better idea of what to do than I, though
This is mainly me just speculating
undone berry
What you're talking about is state, managing state on web apps can be quiet difficult. If you're already using a database, storing any data as part of a user's session is the easiest way. If you're not, then you need to write some custom code, possibly JS, that can pass the state around between different pages
plucky ridge
I think my way is less tedious
undone berry
The state is coming from the user. You don't want to force users to enter data twice
scenic blaze
Our APIs are stateless
undone berry
all Rest APIs are stateless
scenic blaze
Yeah
prisma geyser
Just curious, is it possible to write a Python program that plays an audio file whenever it hears my name?
I want to use it for my Google meet classes lol, whenever the teacher calls out my name, I'll make it play a distorted audio 😂
I just want to try it once & those uni classes really aren't quite beneficial 😕
mint lichen
possible but I can imagine that being very unreliable
mint lichen
machine learning*
mint lichen
I have to go now, sorry. if you want to look into machine learning I suggest searching up pytorch or tensorflow, but yeah, I don't think it would be very reliable.. could easily confuse background noise, and you'd need your own dataset as well
ancient minnow
yo got a question
how is it allowed from sites to use cookies saved in other sites
like I have logged in into my schoolemail on outlook.com
and i went onto my schools site
and it logged me in without asking for a password
because i guess it already knew that i use this computer or smth
rough sapphire
Hmm
Good question
I don't know the answer, but I'd guess it's something related to feature availability
I mean, some features depend on it
I'd guess only a handful of features, but they depend on it
(message removed since this was not related to third party cookies)
undone berry
and it logged me in without asking for a password
@ancient minnow
It's called sso, single sign on. They both use the same service for authentication
rough sapphire
If I'm not mistaken, Facebook Messenger also has that
plucky ridge
I'm still kind of spooked about SSO
Sure it's only one point of failure, but that failure could cascade across so many things
narrow pecan
Secret Surface Oracles?
undone berry
that's cheating - you can't say exactly what I'm typing in two messages
narrow pecan
Aah, didn't realise it was from an ongoing conversation
undone berry
you're always gonna get there first that way (/s in case it wasn't obvious)
plucky ridge
I mean, yes
plucky ridge
And to clarify, my worry isn't that the place your using to verify you will be hacked, it's that you'll have a craptacular password which compromises you
Just huge potential implications
undone berry
SSO is great for enterprise because it's much easier to force your employees to have one very good password+2fa instead of trying to get them to use 15 different passwords
plucky ridge
That I agree with whole heartedly
It's personal use that I'm more concerned with I guess
undone berry
Yeah. I think it's why I like QR codes for logging into things, it's a part of the OAuth2 workflow, but it's also simple/easy enough that you can persuade most people to do it
but opens up a whole other set of attacks I guess
the solution is to put a chip in everyones head and use that for auth
narrow pecan
Or in the phone
round rose
Just go the hitman route and put barcodes on people's heads
undone berry
in the phone is the QR code way of doing things - same as the MS Authenticator way as well I guess
but it opens up attacks whereby someone is told to press the button or scan the code when they shouldn't
undone berry
no - you can grab a screenshot, give it to someone else to scan, and if they do you have their account
undone berry
That's Hemlock's point though (I assume). The attacker gives the screenshot to the victim, the victim scans it, the attacker has their account
narrow pecan
Aah, you mean like that
I think Discord kind of solves this in a good way by adding a red text warning about not scanning random other people's QR codes
And if it's not even a live scan using the app, you'll get a warning
undone berry
sure, but it's still a much easier social engineering problem than getting a password I think - or at least a different one
narrow pecan
I think it's just different
However, passwords that you choose yourself are just terrible
That's almost a shame to do, considering the beautiful mathematics behind it
quick ledge
you know what, I have a great video on the security flaws of QR
lemme just send you the link, it's a QR code
plucky ridge
HA
young shoal
hey wait a minute
scenic blaze
No, I can't wait, gogogo
plucky ridge
SERPENTINE GO GO GO
young shoal
"i go i go, i go i go, i go i go"
tranquil orchid
lol
mild abyss
you know what, I have a great video on the security flaws of QR
@quick ledge ooooh coool
manic bloom
panic driven development, perfect
honest star
After Effects + Illustrator is bringing my desktop to a standstill. I think it's time I go for 32GB of RAM.
manic bloom
flex much, i'm here with just 8 gigs
young shoal
flex much, i don't even have a GB
eternal wing
wow, I did not know anyone else developed this way
edgy crest
hi 👋
edgy crest
btw i wanted to ask is discord.py ok to learn for beginners?
frozen crane
it's not what I would recommend for beginners.
eternal wing
discord.py is very good as an early project, but I would recommend that as a transition from beginner to intermediate area
frozen crane
the distinction between the two is arbitrary
eternal wing
^
There can be a lot of advanced concepts in discord.py, but the docs are also very great and there are a lot of guides to help
frozen crane
but if you don't already know the grammar of the language, discord.py will probably be pretty confusing
it uses async
edgy crest
so if i started python 3 weeks ago am i still a beginner
edgy crest
ok ;-;
eternal wing
haha
frozen crane
well, being a "beginner", however you define that, isn't a bad thing
and frankly you never actually stop learning when it comes to programming
eternal wing
I would recommend getting more familiar first.
Be familiar with the data types and classes before taking on discord.py
frozen crane
!resources @edgy crest
royal lakeBOT
young shoal
it's heavily object oriented too
edgy crest
but i completed beginner tutorials and also practiced them thoroughly, learned turtle and pygame basics, about to finish the tkinter tutorial
eternal wing
it's heavily object oriented too
this is the main part that would be difficult when first starting. It can be confusing and intimidating and requires good foundations in all the basics first.
edgy crest
practiced pseudo code the past 3 days too
frozen crane
I wouldn't really make interfaces to learn about basic programming
programming is mainly about formally solving problems
edgy crest
umm i first learnt basic programming, then started interfaces
frozen crane
and putting the box in the right place on the screen isn't necessarily what I mean by that
edgy crest
ik
i was solving programming questions the last few days
i got help in one of them with mango yesterday
and 2 from 2jin day before yesterday
frozen crane
ah yes
honest star
Depending on how you approach the GUI it's not a bad way to get the hang of some OOP stuff and practice.
frozen crane
2jin keeps changing their name
edgy crest
same here
eternal wing
just an example, not to intimidate, but you should be able to at least understand what this does before I would recommend starting discord.py
class Food:
def __init__(name, *args, **kwargs):
self.name = name
self.type_of = kwargs["type"]
sandwich = Food("sandwich", type="tuna")
print(sandwich.type_of)
"sandwhich"
frozen crane
which sand?
tranquil orchid
sand
tranquil orchid
coarse
young shoal
a fine choice
tranquil orchid
rocks
eternal wing
pebbles more so
edgy crest
well i understood that,..
compact jetty
what is coarse?
tranquil orchid
rough
edgy crest
but i havent worked with classes
compact jetty
oohh i see
edgy crest
so i guess i am still a beginner
frozen crane
wow you're going to pay attention during class in 2020?
eternal wing
well i understood that,..
I just sent that because it is hard to just ones own skills imo. I still consider myself a beginner, but idk if that is a fair judgement 🤷
if you understood this pretty well, then I would say you could consider trying discord.py if you are willing to do a lot of learning
tranquil orchid
lol
i got a
2 and a half hour practise test thing in 9 minutes
so that'll be fun
eternal wing
class Class:pass
edgy crest
i dont pay attention to classes which teach right from the textbook, but i do pay attention when something new is going on
semi native i understood that what will that class do, but i didnt understand how will that happen and i couldnt imagine making a class because i havent practised it
i will practice classes for some time now
eternal wing
haha, it is a tough call as to when someone is "ready".
It also depends heavily on your motivation and patience.
Since you are so new, there might be so many things you do not understand very quickly, which is totally fine, but it is up to you if you are willing/want to start out learning a ton of new things and not making a ton of progress with you actual bot.
This is totally fine and would put you out of your comfort zone and you would learn a lot, but only really you know if you are willing to put in all that effort all at once.
edgy crest
yes
eternal wing
There is no harm in trying too and seeing if you think you are ready, I just would hate to see anyone give up long-term on something like that because it was too difficult or time consuming the first time around.
🔥
young shoal
hmmm
eternal wing
pretty soon I will be....
edgy crest
next native
eternal wing
Lesser-Native
edgy crest
oh
terse sluice
lol
edgy crest
not lesser
if you were non native, then semi, then it should be greater
new lemojis
eternal wing
idk, I have not decided where this progression will go
edgy crest
kk
eternal wing
Greater-Linux-Gem
edgy crest
👍
eternal wing
maybe ill go with some sort of tsundere progression idk yet
edgy crest
tsundere?
eternal wing
hmph
young shoal
ah, dwai
edgy crest
dwai?
young shoal
dwai worry about it
eternal wing
bakugo
edgy crest
?
eternal wing
but why driving while ability impaired. is here?
waht
edgy crest
2jin said dwai
edgy crest
honest star
@scenic blaze Would you be splitting that $ with someone or are you paying that solo?
honest star
Mmmmm that's a big stretch.
honest star
Would it reduce any other expenses for you?
scenic blaze
Yup, I could walk to work
honest star
Well that's something big to consider
I know my rent is ~40% of my monthly takehome, but it is VERY much worth it for me because of the space, garden, and how much time I spend at home
scenic blaze
Yeah, I'm paying a bit extra because it's space for a home office
Glad I'm not the only one who's willing to spend 40% of takehome on rent
honest star
Ha nope, and no regrets here either. It's definitely worth it. I know I'm paying a bit of a premium because of the workshop space in the basement too
scenic blaze
Oh nice
topaz aurora
Hey, would you look at that, a garbage collector tutorial
https://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2013/12/08/babys-first-garbage-collector/
That's one way to get started with a language
upper sand
u writing ur own garbage collector ??
edgy crest
garbage collector?
topaz aurora
In the near future, yes
edgy crest
is it a small robot that collects your household garbage?
topaz aurora
once I'm done with my toy language I'll dive into writing my own interpreted language that's hosted in Rust
topaz aurora
once I'm done with my toy language I'll dive into writing my own interpreted language that's hosted in Rust
Scrap that, make it C lol
topaz aurora
I wouldn't want to deal with raw pointers in Rust
how does alloc and dealloc work there anyways
upper sand
u wrap something inside unsafe { } and u can alloc and delloc
quick ledge
~tf is an alloc~~~
quick ledge
ez
topaz aurora
Right, but what about storing them in a ds
but I guess taking ownership of that pointer and then killing it off by exiting a block suffices
edgy crest
🤔
upper sand
but I guess taking ownership of that pointer and then killing it off by exiting a block suffices
@topaz aurora this is where traits comes in haha
drop trait
like RAII in c++
u can tinker with it
topaz aurora
Interesting
Writing a thread safe garbage collector in unsafe rust is gonna be hell
Quite a lot of abstractions
topaz aurora
Low-cost high-level abstractions don't play well with pointer-level programming it seems
upper sand
well u gotta sacrifice something to get soemthing lul
oh btw if ur talking about rust here (safe) then its zero-cost abstraction, its inherently going to cost to perform work but its not going to add additional cost for the higher level abst
so pretty much when u use manual implementation or abstract its going to be same afaik (well some correct me if im wrong :D)
one last thing Low-cost high-level abstractions don't play well with pointer-level programming it seemsdef look for traits in rust
solid pollen
Who does pointer-level programming in 2020 
upper sand
I see yellowish 👀
solid pollen
Yes! 
solid pollen
Thanks! 🐐 
mild abyss
@solid pollen hmmmmmm
solid pollen
Mhm?
mild abyss
Congrats (again) xD
mild abyss
btw they havent remove one infraction even tho i didnt cause it
🙂
you know the one that destroyed bot-commands with racial slurs because of a webhook event
mild abyss
🙃
shell vapor
I don't yet
shell vapor
xD
upper sand
Damnn
mild abyss
yup they didnt remove it yet
shell vapor
I got for chucking emoji
I saw that rofl
mild abyss
‼️
upper sand
Baha well
mild abyss
bang bang
solid pollen
Yup, everything got solved, thanks!
mild abyss
!user <your username>
solid pollen
You don't even need the username
upper sand
Hmm is it going to stay forever
solid pollen
Yes
solid pollen
Nope
mild abyss
Akarys did
upper sand
Oh well
mild abyss
he left the server and joined again because circumstances
upper sand
When
shell vapor
What if I get out from the server and join in again
You have a permanent user ID on Discord.
So it remembers.
solid pollen
A new account would work, and that's technically not an infraction evasion if it is inactive
shell vapor
Does @ modmail ping the mods? Because you should probably not be doing that.
shell vapor
!warn 674261595710291980 dont ping modmail for no reason xD
mild abyss
!warn 463035241142026251-755353493136474172 i can ping modmail xD
solid pollen
If you send a dm to modmail it will do an @here
mild abyss
@here???
shell vapor
I have no idea what that is....
solid pollen
Well yes, but don’t 🙂
It is the same as an everyone, but it will send a notification only to people who are online
shell vapor
oh
mild abyss
oooooooh
solid pollen
You need to have a permission to use it, the same as for everyone
solid pollen
Yes
topaz aurora
oh, LLVM has a GC
topaz aurora
solid pollen
Note that LLVM itself does not provide a garbage collector. You must provide your own
Riight
upper sand
Ye
soft violet
If it's a bad garbage collector, then is it a garbage collector?
upper sand
Define bad gc
soft violet
Faulty.
upper sand
Bruhh
soft violet
Hm?
shell vapor
It's a garbage garbage collector
You should write a garbage garbage collector collector to clean it up.
tranquil orchid
Why are we collecting it instead of recycling it
Clearly recycling it would be more efficient
rich rover
Well, both are efficient in some way
One would say collect the garbage in one site and recycle it all at once
Others would agree on incineration of the entire site
It makes stuff more organised
solid pollen
You take the garbage away to free the place they were using 
upper sand
Well u collecting it and chucking it somewhere gigo
solid pollen
Somewhere being the void?
rich rover
You have to either incinerate it or recycle it
Recycling being the prime example
Incineration is much worse
solid pollen
So you incinerate your ram when you go a dealloc?
edgy crest
umm is 3.5 gb ram garbage?
rich rover
Yes
upper sand
Lmao
rich rover
I'm not being mean, I'm saying facts
upper sand
Even 8gb is garbage
rich rover
Yup
edgy crest
:O
rich rover
Welcome to the real world
edgy crest
what is the point of high cap ram
upper sand
Nowadays I think 16 gb is must
compact jetty
laptop dont have gpu
upper sand
They do
rich rover
Yeah
compact jetty
they do?
compact jetty
i didnt know that
edgy crest
tbh i was doing a pygame tutorial some weeks ago and i had to lower the fps so that my game runs on normal speed
rich rover
Optimise your code
edgy crest
the tutorial guy didnt had to do that
upper sand
When I open pygame instance my PC starts laggimg
edgy crest
that means he had even lower ram
rich rover
Well, worst thing about developing games
upper sand
Ye
rich rover
Exactly
upper sand
That's the sad part
edgy crest
mhm
upper sand
Oof
compact jetty
MC can run on 1000 fps
edgy crest
the only apps on my pc are google, edge, python, vsc, adobe reader, and pointing device
edgy crest
some other idk the name of
compact jetty
oohhh
soft violet
What efficiency fairy dust can, if it exists, be sprinkled on Minecraft?
edgy crest
what are you guys talking bout
soft violet
Like can you throw the jar into a recompiler and have it spit out a shiny new one that runs better?
Or am I being a fantasist?
upper sand
Try it
graceful basin
the mod sodium works quite well
sand goblet
solid pollen
Depends on the VPN resources
rough sapphire
what do you mean
shell vapor
Depends on how reputable the provider is lol
rough sapphire
nord vpn? I don't know how reputable they are, just see they have a lot of servers.. and I want to anonymize as much as possible..
so Zuck can't have my data..
shell vapor
solid pollen
I read it as VPS oops
shell vapor
You should research as much as possible but that site seems helpful
I read it as VPS oops
me too
rough sapphire
hmm am I better off just using tor
rough sapphire
hmm?
shell vapor
!rule 5
royal lakeBOT
edgy crest
what are decorators
shell vapor
what are decorators
@edgy crest function wrappers (that return functions)
shell vapor
Depends. There are class decorators, but those are very advanced topics and I never used them, except for @property
upper sand
n here i didnt code for like 3 days and i need to google how to iterate through string literals smh
edgy crest
string literals?
upper sand
'hello'
edgy crest
isnt that just a string?
upper sand
yes sir
edgy crest
why did u say literals ?
upper sand
lol coz its string literals
edgy crest
?
upper sand
string is type?
upper sand
nvm im just bad at explaining but
to keep it simple for now
lets assume it is what u think it is
😄
edgy crest
._.
upper sand
:d
edgy crest
:/
upper sand
😀
edgy crest
:)
rough sapphire
this is my idea
edgy crest
:?
rough sapphire
I have my local ---> remote VM in same region as me ----> remote VM in EU --> Internet
edgy crest
????????
rough sapphire
just need to figure out how to redirect requests from VM in same region to other VM
upper sand
through ip?
rough sapphire
basically, I can set up the connection between them.. they are on a cloud service, so they're on the same network..
wooden silo
@edgy crest A string is a data type. A string literal is when you hard-code an actual string into your code.
rough sapphire
I just don't know how to make it so if I make request to first VM, it goes through the second one
wooden silo
Like ```py
string | string literal
v v
my_str = "hello world"
oh
upper sand
I just don't know how to make it so if I make request to first VM, it goes through the second one
@rough sapphire so is ur first vm gonna be middleware ?
and then it forwards it to the second one ?
rough sapphire
yeah, because the first vm is closest to me in geographical region
edgy crest
can i start doing web dev?
upper sand
so make an api ?
upper sand
and also r u expecting response back from the second one only or the first one too liek for the confirmation that it has been forwarded to the second one?
no deku i was talking with tron
api is just medium for two application to talk to each other
rough sapphire
I don't think that applies here.. this is just some networking rules I need to create..
I'm making a vpn
bright solar
In the year 2000 Bill Clinton passed the first time home buyer legislation that allowed many section 8 housing people to buy houses they couldn't afford. Then in 2008 there was a recession caused by subprime mortgages.
wooden silo
Didn't help that those mortgages were packaged in overvalued CDOs though.
bright solar
Well. Your not supposed to give mortgages to people that can't afford it in the first place.
That's the assumption right?
Doesn't matter what the price is if the value is 0
wooden silo
I don't think it would've caused a bubble if those securities were correctly rated.
bright solar
How can securities be correctly rated if the federal reserve interest rates influence the entire financial economy?
Are you familiar with the present value calculation?
wooden silo
I don't see how those two things are even related
bright solar
You're probably not familiar with the present value calculation
wooden silo
Yes, I am
bright solar
The price of financial securities specifically derivatives are based on the federal funds interest rate when being written
Initially when the banks write them.
wooden silo
But if you put a bunch of mortgages from people with no income into a security and tell people that they can definitely definitely pay those mortgages off, so the security is essentially risk-free, it's no wonder people will rush to buy it.
bright solar
So thats what you think happened?
wooden silo
Pretty sure, yeah.
bright solar
The reason why the mortgages exploded was because of the variable interest
wooden silo
I mean, obviously there are many different proximate and indirect causes.
bright solar
pegged to the federal funds rate
So Bill clinton created the bomb then the federal reserve lit the match
wooden silo
But ratings agencies basically knowingly misrating MBSes didn't help at all.
bright solar
In a metaphorical description.
rough sapphire
you know what else Bill Clinton did...
bright solar
Sure.. So the government failed is still the conclusion...
Not the individual actors..
wooden silo
Ratings agencies aren't government-backed.
bright solar
The federal reserve isn't entirely government backed either..
wait your saying it isn't entirely government backed?
like the SEC?
wooden silo
I feel like you want to make the financial crash out to have a simple cause when in reality it's very complicated.
bright solar
I was completely wrong.
The topics we are talking about are really complicated; it just has loaded words.
I took actuarial science exams
wooden silo
With statements like "Bill Clinton created the bomb and the federal reserve lit the match"
rough sapphire
lol
bright solar
Just a metaphor to simplify it.
wooden silo
That sounds like a political headline.
bright solar
Hahah
bright solar
Why not? where can i look up the SEC backing
oh
I said it while asking if I was right?
Just didn't have enough time
wooden silo
I think any oversimplification is inherently misleading.
wooden silo
No question on the form "Was the financial crisis caused by X?" will have the answer unanimously yes.
Because there are a lot of different causes that all interrelate in complex ways.
bright solar
So the philosophical underpinning is a moral one I see then.
wooden silo
It doesn't let you learn faster if you end up misunderstanding key facts.
bright solar
We can't control the millions of individuals; but we can control where our taxes go to.
It's useless to talk about say gun abolition if it will cause the deaths of millions of people when they try to take the guns away.
@wooden silo There are credit rating agencies outside the SEC?
wooden silo
Absolutely
bright solar
ah.. you learn something new every day lmao
bright solar
I thought the SEC rated on it's own. So it does ratings side by side with the other agencies?
Ah.. thats the problem: An agency may rate the creditworthiness of issuers of debt obligations, of debt instruments,[1] and in some cases, of the servicers of the underlying debt,[2] but not of individual consumers.
sour forge
can someone tell- does a paste in the python Discord hastebin last indefinitely?
bright solar
not individual consumers
rough sapphire
edgy crest
?
solid pollen
can someone tell- does a paste in the python Discord hastebin last indefinitely?
@sour forge no, it doesn’t
wooden silo
@bright solar I think this article is probably pretty relevant to the point I was making earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agencies_and_the_subprime_crisis
edgy crest
i installed django ✌️
bright solar
Im reading it now @wooden silo
@edgy crest on your first step to greatness just dont change your stack now; otherwise you will get nothing done.
edgy crest
wdym
wooden silo
The new, complex securities of "structured finance" used to finance subprime mortgages could not have been sold without ratings by the "Big Three" rating agencies—Moody's Investors Service, Standard & Poor's, and Fitch Ratings. A large section of the debt securities market—many money markets and pension funds—were restricted in their bylaws to holding only the safest securities—i.e. securities the rating agencies designated "triple-A".[1]
This is pretty central.
bright solar
you mean..?
wooden silo
You wouldn't want to invest your pension into something risky.
Only AAA-rated securities.
Because those are safe, right?
bright solar
Yeah I agree with you there are many factors. But no one is allowed to say that Bill Clinton and social planning was a contributor.
edgy crest
you mean i shouldnt change my mind about django now
bright solar
There are entire movies and documentaries stating how capitalism is horrible
precisely Deku
edgy crest
ok
bright solar
I actually don't like to invest in the financial markets
wooden silo
The pools of debt the agencies gave their highest ratings to [2] included over three trillion dollars of loans to homebuyers with bad credit and undocumented incomes through 2007.
bright solar
It's over valued and I would rather invest in real assets
edgy crest
i dont have my own money yet i cant discuss on marketing
bright solar
you dont need money
to make money on the internet
I should write a book about this lol
rough sapphire
Is that so?\
edgy crest
what are you guys talking about anyway 🤔
bright solar
Even if I am wrong I think people would buy it.
wooden silo
The 2007 financial crisis
edgy crest
idk whats that
bright solar
Yeah we are talking about the 2007 Great Recession
rough sapphire
I was born on 2002 , so I dont have much clue
much of a clue*
I was born yesterday
🥁
wooden silo
Man, I feel old now
round rose
early 2000s gang
edgy crest
:O
rough sapphire
Man, I feel old now
@wooden silo How old are you if you dont mind me asking?
edgy crest
heh
rough sapphire
gang gang gang
wooden silo
31
edgy crest
now you guys are making me feel like a tiny kid..
rough sapphire
now you guys are making me feel like a tiny kid..
@edgy crest Lmaooo
bright solar
Im 25. I ate pop tarts for an entire month growing up
wooden silo
No, but I'm old compared to someone born in 2002
rough sapphire
2000 was just 10 years ago
bright solar
Yeah my cousin born in the year 2000 is a grown adult looks like a muslim with his beard and all
edgy crest
20
wooden silo
@rough sapphire Excuse me?
bright solar
lol
rough sapphire
if you feel 70, you're 70
bright solar
Thats how i feel too lmao
rough sapphire
if you think you can fly, you can jump off a building.. flap your wings
bright solar
reality is > than feeling
bright solar
Sure because I have a bachelors degree in economics and studied advanced macro economics
I tend to talk about this stuff
edgy crest
ok
rough sapphire
guys.. see this video.. I promise you will not regret it
edgy crest
ok
wooden silo
@edgy crest Imagine something kinda like the pandemic, except it was caused by people losing a lot of money on bad investments and losing their jobs and retirement money, etc.
edgy crest
oh..
bright solar
I used to be a socialist in highschool, then I studied economics and got a job at 16
wooden silo
It was equally apocalyptic.
edgy crest
@bright solar teach me sir
wooden silo
And affecting the whole world.
bright solar
Yeah it was pretty bad; there is an ongoing debate if government is the solution or the problem.
edgy crest
:O
bright solar
See thats what dementati said is foolish
its more complicated than that
I am an extremist I think I should represent myself though.
edgy crest
..
bright solar
However just look at this server, we have admins and moderators essentially a government.
owners too
bright solar
Sure. Much nicer here lol
rough sapphire
can't farm
I want to complain.. my civil rights are being threatened
I want to farm.. and raise animals dammit..
bright solar
I think theres tremendous value in what you just said..
rough sapphire
we need to overthrow this oppressive government
bright solar
A business governing a chat
rough sapphire
lol
bright solar
In the business of dopamine and education
plucky ridge
I mean... yes, a discord server is a dictatorship
You either abide by the rules or you're out
bright solar
ownership is dictatorship?
bright solar
so capitalism is like millions of little dictatorship
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Sure we do! The enjoyment of helping people
bright solar
I learn from teaching others.
plucky ridge
Exactly
rough sapphire
Python Liberation Front
plucky ridge
Wait, doesn't PLF already stand for something?
solid pollen
Let’s throw a revolution!
plucky ridge
Hmm, now what could it be
rough sapphire
pip install revolt
bright solar
Python Technology Front
plucky ridge
Python Language Foundation
rough sapphire
well that's the old government..
solid pollen
What do you need for a revolution again? Money, military forces, and....?
plucky ridge
Don't think they'd revolt against themselves
bright solar
Python Evil Technology Agency -> PETA
rough sapphire
plucky ridge
-eye twitch-
bright solar
Revolution to automate all the food, shelter, and water.
rough sapphire
damn.. didn't know tom hanks was in this movie too
plucky ridge
Wait seriously? Thought you did that on purpose
bright solar
Tom hanks is *in everything apparently...
edgy crest
@bright solar your pfp kinda reminds me of
rough sapphire
no.. I only know the other actor.. I haven't actually seen this movie
quick story.. I actually told my junior in college ( a psych student) she shouldn't accept an assignment on private ryan, because of you know who.. it's disrespectful to victims
anyways.. back to PLF!
who do we need to overthrow first
undone berry
I don't know who - I have no idea who, that just seems like a massive dick move from you
rough sapphire
I can't get in to it today.. it's a topic we've discussed at length, plus mod told us to quit it.. we'll try again tomorrow or some time in near future
I don't know who - I have no idea who, that just seems like a massive dick move from you
@undone berry
undone berry
i'm pretty sure I follow
plucky ridge
The movie "Saving Private Ryan", charlie
undone berry
and I'm pretty sure you just rejected an assignment because of deluded conspiracy theories
rough sapphire
well I didn't reject it.. I told someone to.. and it's not a conspiracy theory.. it's an accusation
plucky ridge
No that one has potential merit, but it really depends on your interpretation of the movie
But it's HIGHLY objective
round rose
I'm out of the loop, what's wrong with Saving private Ryan?
undone berry
well I didn't reject it.. I told someone to.. and it's not a conspiracy theory.. it's an accusation
and it's just an accusation that Bill Gates is putting microchips in Covid vaccines
plucky ridge
Subjective?
rough sapphire
also, I haven't seen private ryan.. my friend says he likes the movie
plucky ridge
What's the one what has like... flippy floppy possiblities
I'm very tired if you can't tell
round rose
subjective
plucky ridge
Thank you
rough sapphire
that's false equivalence.. and not plausible..
and it's just an accusation that Bill Gates is putting microchips in Covid vaccines
@undone berry
bright solar
Damn I feel bad for Bill Gates, the guy worked 18 hour days for 20 years and everyone just hates on the guy
plucky ridge
That's the one I meant
round rose
subjective is down to an individual's interpretation, objective is the opposite of that
undone berry
How is it false equivalence?
plucky ridge
Thaaaat's right
rough sapphire
Well, you personally don't know Bill Gates.. lol.. all we see is PR
bright solar
paper money is not worth anything relative to the hate
wooden silo
I think a lot of people hold Bill Gates in very high regard nowadays
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Neither do you?
wooden silo
I don't think his reputation has ever been better
undone berry
you don't personally know anyone from Saving Private Ryan
wooden silo
I mean, conspiracy nutjobs aside
undone berry
afaics no actor in Saving Private Ryan has been convicted of anything
rough sapphire
well, he tested HPV vaccines on poor children in my country.. without their consent
bright solar
Dude I don't need to know him.. I just extrapolate the assembly code it took to write basic and extrapolate that for all the apps and services.
plucky ridge
He personally did that?
rough sapphire
his foundation did
plucky ridge
Bill Gates flew out to the country and injected people?