lets stop talk about..
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
mild abyss
i will report you for that if you bring that up again
rough sapphire
U started a conversation about animal violence and blocking me
young shoal
good idea
rough sapphire
^
young shoal
?
floral viper
@mild abyss he is just trolling ya mate
floral viper
It is but mostly ignore it. These people are pretty sad fucks irl so dont give em any attention
rough sapphire
someone here doesn't have humor sense
mild abyss
It is but mostly ignore it. These people are pretty sad fucks irl so dont give em any attention
@floral viper yah but i easily get agitated so better block it :3
floral viper
@mild abyss I have been dabbling in applied ecology lately. I honestly didnt realize earlier how much we humans have fucked the ecosystem.
mild abyss
we already at breakingpoint or we already broke it i guess
floral viper
I mean I knew about climate change. But I didnt know our industrial farming have made the small predator population surge through the roof
mild abyss
yeah and the problem is that its just the smaller part of the bigger picture of what really is happening
floral viper
Exactly. So now we humans either have to completely stop meddling (which is pretty much impossible) or also try to compensate these effects using other methods.
Really fascinating tbh. Simple measures such as providing some foilage in an uneven zone around fields can have good effect
mild abyss
i think i brought up a topic about this yesterday when we were talking about billionaires. The fact that the cost of fixing the biosphere is actually a quarter than all the richest people combined sounds disgusting and disturbing
floral viper
Yeah the problem is more political than economical
And also that the people with the money lack knowledge and understanding
mild abyss
they wont understand or theyre not willing to understand such things because they think theyre not part of the problem
floral viper
I would reckon some of em thinks it is unfair that they should be held accountable for what many other people are doing. Which is the issue since it doesnt matter who is accoumtable, we are all gonna perish together lol.
mild abyss
makes sense. however, they have more power and resources than us so it makes them more likely the only ones that are able to fix such problems. I am not saying it is their obligation but they should have used it for whatever that will fix how f!cked up the world is.
floral viper
On the small scale though, I foresee that some solutions is going to be hindered by actual environmemtalists.
For example compensating for the effect of industrial farming on small predator populations. Over here in sweden the grouses have been hit really hard by farming because they now have to forage for food on wide open fields. This have made them easy pray for fox, hawk, and other birds of pray. This has resulted in a massive increase in fox population the last 50 years. This in turn affects populations of hare and roedeer negatively. The only way to compensate for this is to actively shoot off foxes. But because foxes breed so rapidly you have to shoot a lot of em. This does not sit well with the animal rights activists.
It makes me quite sad that because we humans fuck things up we have to take a lot of unecessary lifes to keep the ecosystem from spinning out of control. Foxes are also very social and nice animals.
mild abyss
In the Philippines, environmentalists and environmental scientists are branded as terrorists or enemies to some politicians and every year I am not surprised at least one of them died because of military or police or hired assassins. So welp Philippines is a cess-pool of power and money-hungry politicians who wont give a damn about the ecosystem.
It makes me quite sad that because we humans fuck things up we have to take a lot of unecessary lifes to keep the ecosystem from spinning out of control. Foxes are also very social and nice animals.
@floral viper foxes are cute man :((
floral viper
And I reckon said politicians also move abroad when ph sinks under the waves
Re foxes: they really are which is why it sucks so bad we need to kill em
And it is a total waste as well. No one eats the meat since it is not healthy. The fur is generally not used anymore.
mild abyss
We have a Senator aka Villar who asked the Agriculture department in rough translation "What the hell is this 'research research'? Do you need research? You dont need it." Basically what she meant research is just troublesome and useless
I kinda wonder why my fellow countrymen vote for useless idiots
floral viper
"This is bothersome, take it away"
Yeah that kind of mentality is problematic. We got a bit of that in sweden as well, in the far right wing parties
mild abyss
Smart shaming is rampant here btw
floral viper
They like to brand environmental sciences as politically influenced sciences
Jeez I am glad I dont work there. If it is one thing that annoys me it is smart shaming
mild abyss
Jeez I am glad I dont work there. If it is one thing that annoys me it is smart shaming
@floral viper Yup. I kinda am ready for it. Even in our own scientific community, when a scientist is smarter than this guy, that guy will smart shame that scientist.
Though i really dont like how toxic it is. I am just glad that people here in PyDis dont say "Okay ikaw nai brayt".
i cant give you a rough translation on this but i think the equivalent would be "Okay. Alright youre the smart guy."
They like to brand environmental sciences as politically influenced sciences
@floral viper Same here. Even international NGOs have a trouble time trying to convince people that having a coal mine here is very dangerous to the environment
young shoal
alright you're the smart guy
mild abyss
alright you're the smart guy
@young shoal intense condescending tone intensifies
floral viper
@mild abyss pfft coal, who has ever died of coal? Oh wait..
mild abyss
Rebol doesnt exist. which means it should not exist in the world as well π
upper sand
=well
mild abyss
lol if i push a repo full of R code it will read it as Rebol lmao
Github has a fix for it but i assume it didn work :/
floral viper
What is a pirates favourite language?
You would think it is R, but in truth they actually love the C
mild abyss
xD
scurvy intensifies
https://github.com/github/linguist/issues/2531 damn and the problem was ever since last 2012 and this is 2015
yup rebol is dead lol
damn i feel bad for rebol...
their last recent blog post was also 2014
topaz aurora
CodeWars has a pretty diverse language selection
wheat lynx
As long as there is no violence in your war
I should probably do some other languages on codewars
I've done 1 kata in c++, 1 in rust, and 208 in python
lol
quick ledge
As long as there is no violence in your war
I shall follow the path of Gandhi and Dr.King
upper sand
i was like level 1 kata lul
quick ledge
dw
topaz aurora
208 in Python 
upper sand
ye
topaz aurora
You could probably race
quick ledge
ok
upper sand
they sud actually implement it
quick ledge
yeah
upper sand
sounds fun but there are lots of other ways u can do it tho
but still it would be more viable if its inbuilt with it
quick ledge
it's "CodeWars", not "CodeHoweverthefuckyouwanttto"
wheat lynx
I just do all the easy ones mostly lol. I think i'm 3 kyu level but i've only ever done one 3 kyu kata
The kumite things are sort of meant to be like a duel I think
quick ledge
I have done a few, and never touched it again
wheat lynx
Whyyy, they're fun
quick ledge
The kumite things are sort of meant to be like a duel I think
is that where people post their own challenges?
oh wait, is it where poeple post their solution to a particular problem?
wheat lynx
I dunno, I haven't used that bit personally
quick ledge
Whyyy, they're fun
I wanna do more, but i'm like super busy atm
wheat lynx
I think you can post solutions and then other people are challenged to improve them
like shortening them or something
Anybody can write a kata (I actually wrote one recently, was sort of fun tbh)
wheat lynx
You asked for it so it isn't advertising lol. https://www.codewars.com/kata/5ebcfe1b8904f400208e3f0d
quick ledge
You asked for it so it isn't advertising lol. https://www.codewars.com/kata/5ebcfe1b8904f400208e3f0d
you're welco- err i mean thank you!π
wheat lynx
Oh no, I've been rumbled
mild abyss
@last pilot so what code is it?
last pilot
def gengraph():
ping = round(client.latency*1000)
list1.append(ping)
if len(list1) > 31:
list1.pop(0)
list2 = [minsago(x) for x in range(len(list1)-1,-1,-1)]
quickcharturl = "{type:'line',data:{labels: "+str(list2)+",datasets:[{label:{display:'auto'},backgroundColor:'rgba(255 125 125 0.2)',borderColor: 'rgb(255 125 125)',data: "+str(list1)+",fill:true,lineTension: 0.4,datalables: true,},],},options:{title:{display:true,text:'Client Latency in ms',},legend:{display:false,},plugins:{datalabels:{display:true,align: 'top',offset: -3,},},},}"
global encodedquickcharturl
encodedquickcharturl = "https://quickchart.io/chart?bkg=white&c="+urllib.parse.quote(quickcharturl, safe='/', encoding=None, errors=None)
def minsago(x):
if x == 0:
return 'now'
elif x == 1:
return '1 min ago'
else:
return f'{x} mins ago'```What do you think?
Had to do some digging around in chart.js first
mild abyss
i am not familiar with the modules or packages im seeing :((
also i need sleep sorry bro
last pilot
Ok π
gentle sierra
is this a good place to learn java?
young shoal
there's a dedicated java server
floral viper
Why you would ever wanna do that is beyond me
quick ledge
so that you can port java code to python
quick ledge
will keep that in mind next time pucch
floral viper
I tend to forget the entire mobile industry exist π
young shoal
yeah who has a phone these days
floral viper
Exactly π
But you are right. Mobile apps is a good reason to learn java. I take my comment back
quick ledge
kotlin
lofty dirge
because Java is still very popular in Enterprise circles
it's PITA language but it will help keep you employed
upper sand
but its moving towards kotlin and swift -;-
upper sand
fair enough
solid pollen
Kotlin for the win
upper sand
kotlin run on top on jvm
lofty dirge
does Swift compile down to Bytecode?
solid pollen
Kotlin/Native is a thing too
lofty dirge
i believe Java can call upon Kotlin libraries
and vice versa since they both head into Java bytecode
undone berry
Yeah,there's full interop between Java and Kotlin
unlike some other JVM langs where it's one way
upper sand
ye
lofty dirge
so Kotlin gets bolted onto Java codebases
rancid forge
wait so if i want to use kotlin libraries i don't need to learn kotlin?
undone berry
@rancid forge no, but the Java ecosystem is much larger than the Kotlin one - so there's very few libraries that are like that
rancid forge
ok
graceful basin
kotlin can trivially use java libraries
upper sand
ohh
graceful basin
as in, you can just use import
young shoal
nice pfp
graceful basin
thanks
topaz aurora
obligatory red dot edit
quick ledge
lol
graceful basin
somehow this more unsettling than the red dot
rancid forge
lite moad
rancid forge
topaz aurora
heh
rancid forge
alternating colors?
graceful basin
ah, on light mode it looks fine
young shoal
oh no
graceful basin
alternating colors would require another light mode user to ss that
young shoal
ew
topaz aurora
There's three time zones in that picture lol
rancid forge
worldwide screenshot
solid pollen
Who said last one
rancid forge
CDT, opposite side of world from EDT, and CEST
i think those are the time zones
happy new day to pure
topaz aurora
I'm a time traveler
young shoal
back to tomorrow
rancid forge
ok after some intensive trying-to-figure-out-the-utc-offset, i believe that you are in east asia
or maybe australia
topaz aurora
Close enough
rancid forge
@java public class Main { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello world!"); } }, you're like everywhere
topaz aurora
@young shoal You've messaged more in a month than I have in 8 months
young shoal
I have no life
rancid forge
did i correctly interpret your nickname as code
rancid forge
gdude's almost at 7k
solid pollen
Of course he is
young shoal
half of mine are just random people pinging me in help channels
rancid forge
my sharex folder for this month is pretty full
solid pollen
I only sent 34,286 34,287 messages on this server 
rancid forge
i'm at a whole like 9% of that
solid pollen
91k for joe lol
narrow pecan
I'm just at 3K hahah
rancid forge
232k for g
narrow pecan
Wow
narrow pecan
You're kidding me? 232k messages...?
rancid forge
gdude, when not mentioned, appears in 3692 messages (including this one)
narrow pecan
Why had he chatted so much? It's insane
solid pollen
This is apparently g's "most relevant" message https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/267659945086812160/454052132320968705
rancid forge
he is acquaintances with like everyone
undone berry
He's been around this server since 2017
narrow pecan
almost 100k / year?
rancid forge
his first message was in a help channel
rancid forge
i believe so
rancid forge
remember he's the guy all about kotlin
aren't you also in that probably well hidden kotlin discord
solid pollen
I sure am
rancid forge
the secret-but-everybody-knows-it-exists discord
narrow pecan
which-discord-huh?
narrow pecan
No clue what that is
solid pollen
you can google us actually
Or github us
Or whatever
We aren't really well hidden haha
rich rover
Lol
narrow pecan
I searched the term now. Was only checking the bot repo before
Didn't recognize it as a programming language ahaha
undone berry
ah - fair enough
narrow pecan
If every language had a discord like this, it would be amazing
rancid forge
i share 7 servers with g
solid pollen
Only?
solid pollen
Gosh
undone berry
This server's !resources has a link to a github wiki full of different Discords as well
rancid forge
all the servers
narrow pecan
I don't really think most servers even come close to this one. They're generally inactive or just not-so-well moderated
narrow pecan
Yeah
I still think this server has the best balance of not being overly strict, while following its own rules
plucky ridge
@narrow pecan I needed to read that today
Had a handful of people give me shit for trying to enforce our rules this morning, so this helped me feel a bit better
narrow pecan
Sorry to hear that. The rules will never please everyone, though. The ones in place here feel like the ones needed to keep this community a nice place to be in π
plucky ridge
That's my thoughts on it
rancid forge
that's what the #drama channel in the patchwork mc discord server is for
plucky ridge
Just hard to keep up in #python-discussion lately
narrow pecan
Yeah. Last night was quite rough
plucky ridge
I'd rather not give those kinds of people a platform, though, able
rancid forge
makes sense
narrow pecan
Exactly. It leads to a lot of toxicity
rancid forge
well and that #drama is aiming more towards minecraftforge
but yea the rules are very reasonable in my opinion
plucky ridge
That is nice to hear sometimes
rancid forge
sometimes?
plucky ridge
Well I mean all the time of course, but like sometimes you need it more than others
rancid forge
there's always a time where something is needed the most, and that happens to be the thing at this time
plucky ridge
Word
scenic blaze
I try to be supportive in meta everytime I see you guys being treated like crap. We all appreciate what you do.
That said, try not to burn out. It's okay to step back from time to time.
topaz aurora
I'm kinda glad my first experience in moderation is for this server
scenic blaze
Oh yeah?
topaz aurora
Yep, never been a mod for any other community before
I personally think it's made a positive impact on me in general as well
scenic blaze
I'm similarly lucky. My first real experience as a mod was for a gaming site that had a really supportive admin/mod staff.
It's character building. Helps you with patience.
and conflict resolution in general
plucky ridge
Yeah just been a hard month
scenic blaze
I'm sorry man. Try to take care of yourself.
plucky ridge
No I'm sorry. I keep bitching on here. Just have to hold out (at the very least) until my next doc appointment and hope that whatever change is made there straightens me out a bit
scenic blaze
You've always told me it's okay to vent π There's nothing to apologize for and even if there was, all's forgiven. Hope your next appointment helps you out.
rancid forge
so apparently this month alone i have taken more than 10x screenshots than the rest of the year combined
and now it's question time
this single image is 1gb packed?
narrow pecan
What kind of screen do you use, if a screenshot is 1 GB??
rancid forge
that's the packed size
it's not even 1mb unpacked
7zip just threw a tantrum it seems
narrow pecan
hmmm
lyric trout
E
solid pollen
Also they are better compression algos in term of final size fwiw
rancid forge
well and it probably doesn't turn a file into more than 100 times its original size
it didn't compress that well
much better
lunar shore
Guys I love programming but nowadays I'm too lazy to do it
Am I alone?
Like I tell myself "Should I make a website? Nah don't have the feel to do . A mobile app? Pfff not yet . A game? No it is gonna take ages to complete ... A script? No I don't feel like doing it . Leetcode? Bruh I'm bored making a game . And you are telling me to leetcode?!?!"
rancid forge
sometimes i feel that way
lunar shore
But it's been like this for a month now
Like I'm either bored of programming , or I'm too lazy
I love it tho
lunar shore
I see
floral viper
It comes and goes for me. Some times I can sit up the entire night coding and sometimes I can't be arsed. It's not really burnout it is more related to passion and inspiration imo.
kinda like how a musician have ups and downs in music writing
lunar shore
Oh I see
undone berry
I hadn't heard of that before. Seems interesting actually
spiral ridge
i dont agree with that technique bc now its harder to get back into the zone bc your distracting yourself. and usually the 5 minutes turns into 30 minutes if you dont properly distance yourself from social media
floral viper
This came as a shock to me when I learned it but some people don't go to the zone. I found it utterly bizarre that some people don't experience the zone but apparently they don't. For them I reckon 25-5 works great
For me that is an active zoner (get out of here stalker) I could never get any work with a 25-5 schedule
floral viper
5 hours - 5 min break in that case
rich rover
Yeah
floral viper
When I go into the zone I know I even forget to eat and drink lol
rich rover
Setup a timer
floral viper
nah distractions
rich rover
It works sometimes with me
You also don't have to hit 5 hours everytime
If you face an obstacle, you could go refresh yourself and take a 5 min break
Works either way..
floral viper
I generally work until I solve the problem or I feel that I won't get much more out of trying. Then I take a break. This can be anywhere from 30 minutes to 5-6 hours
rich rover
Yeah, I agree with you on this
I tend to forget my limits
And go for the entire day
floral viper
It's fun though, I love it lol
rich rover
It sure is
versed saffron
@rough sapphire if you could not that'd be great thanks
rancid forge
#ot1-perplexing-regexing might become a thing in a few weeks due to a thing called fabric language python
reef lotus
Guys I love programming but nowadays I'm too lazy to do it
@lunar shore i feel the same due to being at home too much
upper sand
Lol
U probably misinterpreted like with love
When u love something u would keep grinding more than 14 hrs every day on it and still want to go more
versed saffron
omgguysjoerespondedtomeforthefirsttimeandiveneverbeenmoreexcited
bleak lintel
lol
when did this joe cult culture emerge
I've seen a lot of "joe noticed me" recently
yeah joe owns the server he sees ALL
young shoal
nah
bleak lintel
y'all can't pronounce xithrius?
boreal swift
Zitherus I'm guessing
bleak lintel
@remote socket did I do it
bleak lintel
heck yeah
boreal swift
Oh there's an i
young shoal
ecksrus
remote socket
if you're ever confused just type my name into google translate and hit the sound button
boreal swift
Lulw
versed saffron
my tongue's too thic velar region can't fricated well enough to pronounce x's
remote socket
google translate speaks the truth
topaz aurora
I read the X in Xithrius as S
remote socket
D:
topaz aurora
Making Xithrius a Sith
scenic blaze
eivl = eval?
young shoal
eivl=evil?
young shoal
now there's another one lol
scenic blaze
^
lunar shore
When u love something u would keep grinding more than 14 hrs every day on it and still want to go more
@upper sand That was me last month . Now? Too lazy to do it kinda
upper sand
thats what im saying its like
for instance, u think u love some girl but u will lose interest in her after u ||fornicate||. ||Its just u thought that u loved her but it was all lust|| @lunar shore
my eg are pretty shit but well i think u will have better understanding of what im trying to say with this
lunar shore
Well , I actually prefered programming over anything else that I like . Like e.g I programmed instead of playing 3 hours on my console or laptop . Now? I am just thinking to myself "Should I program? Nah ..."
upper sand
u still not getting the whole point here
upper sand
yes
lunar shore
Idk maybe I'm burnt out after 2-3 years of programming
upper sand
nope
lunar shore
Welp then
rich rover
There's always enough to keep you around for decades
lunar shore
ik there is . But I don't feel like "Programming" in general . Like I'm lazy even to open Vim
rich rover
Maybe, you could take a rest from programming or a rest from whatever thing you like but still don't want to do
You suddenly feel that it is valuable to you
So you'll return again and love to do it more
lunar shore
And isn't 1 month enough?
upper sand
lul
rich rover
Take as much as you want
upper sand
well u can always take break
rich rover
The main point is to miss whatever you want to do
upper sand
n sort things out for urself
lunar shore
I see
upper sand
like when ur in relationship
lunar shore
Haven't been in one since I'm not old enough but ok lol
lunar shore
lol 14
upper sand
fair enough
rich rover
Some people get bored in a relationship and they take like a little break
lunar shore
I see
rich rover
It's a good note to take
lunar shore
I see
Actually I started loosing passion when I was 1 year into Django
Like 3 months ago
I mean It's web dev anyways ... sometimes too boring
rich rover
How about, you stop using Django and maybe use something different
Sometimes replacing things makes it better, not that I say it works in relationships
lunar shore
@rich rover I see ... But like my job is gonna be web dev , most likely full-stack . What about that?
rich rover
Use other methods in web dev
eternal wing
Yeah, I am pretty burnt out after quarantine and code jam, it comes in waves
rich rover
There is an insane variety
lunar shore
I used Bottle flask django and some fastapi
rich rover
Also
upper sand
like arven said its always good to take breaks
lunar shore
I see
rich rover
Compete in jams and all that as well
It makes programming fun
And competitive, which is purely satisfactory
lunar shore
@rich rover I did , but you know , game dev is a time consuming task somehow and I don't like that . And I don't find other jams like idk GUI jam , web dev kam
lam*
god damnit jam*
lunar shore
@rich rover I use love2d so that's why probably
upper sand
but its fun to make it from sratch
rich rover
And if you get bored, you can try out your game again and even review other games made by other people
rich rover
No problem!
rich rover
Enjoy your time
lunar shore
π
upper sand
lol speaking of code jam wish someone would take me in the guild as a doc writer
rich rover
Lol
eternal wing
the code jam is over, teams were random.
You can write my docs though xD
rich rover
What's the theme about?
eternal wing
I have a discord bot, feel free to write some docs for me xD
upper sand
will i get the green tag
eternal wing
I do not have that power
rich rover
Yes, you'll get a unique role
upper sand
then i wont do it sorry m8
eternal wing
haha
rich rover
Lol
upper sand
π
rich rover
Ah yes! Pat the screen
quick ledge
ok I'll write docs for you
eternal wing
My bot can do like two things, I can compensate you in my respect
quick ledge
def somefunction():
'''this is a function'''
(foreal though if anyone wants to contribute, this is a bot just for messing around with
quick ledge
^example of my skillset
eternal wing
I am impressed, I dont have docstrings anywhere in my code and genuinely need someone to do that
quick ledge
its easy
'''this is a <insert name of thingy> '''
you can write a script to do it for you
eternal wing
lolol
upper sand
well
eternal wing
I am remarkably bored rn... Kinda impressive... Like, this is a pretty high level of boredom
lunar shore
@eternal wing Just like me ... Do something except programming ... Go out running , go do some sports , even like play games
eternal wing
haha, ty. I have been stuck inside for about a week because the fires here make my throat burn. Which is not helping with the overall mood.
eternal wing
I am even bored of the video games π’ which is like defcon 1 for me
lunar shore
Try horror games?
eternal wing
ohhh, thats not a bad idea, I barely touch that whole genre, ty
lunar shore
well try different genres
I said horror games cause they might be different than the genres that you tried
versed saffron
it'd probably run better than the current one
lunar shore
@versed saffron Better than an installer that updates automatically each fricking time you run it
lunar shore
lol
versed saffron
it'd probably help if I knew java
lunar shore
Well then you need Minetest
versed saffron
what I need, is for them to switch to a better language
versed saffron
ik someone was saying they're planning to or that they were creating their own engine
but an engine is only going to do so much
lunar shore
Yeah
Just let them use Unreal
graphics will go up in the sky
Minecraft 2020
Not the textures don't get me wrong
versed saffron
tensorflow is written in c, unreal + unity use c++, other py libraries also use c (cython but jython is a thing)
lunar shore
wow lol
versed saffron
like you'd think there's be a noticeable trend
Ik rust is faster than c but I think because it's so unrefined it'll take longer to become mainstream (if it improves)
lunar shore
I see
versed saffron
also im pretty sure modern warfare is written in c++ and it has some of the best graphics (not to mention rtx) I've seen
versed saffron
and can actually run 60 fps!
lunar shore
wow lol
versed saffron
I'm pretty sure they have their own engine
topaz aurora
iirc the IW Engine is built from the ground up based on the Quake Engine
versed saffron
is it in c then?
topaz aurora
C, C++, Python
lunar shore
wow
topaz aurora
I'm willing to bet majority of the original code is in C and the extensions that IW made are in C++
versed saffron
I wouldn't have guessed python
topaz aurora
Probably for scripting
quick ledge
yeah
versed saffron
I was just going to say that and possibly networking?
ik WoT uses python/c++ for their servers
topaz aurora
There's going to be quite a bit of overhead with Python on networking
lunar shore
Wot r u talking about
topaz aurora
Probably written in C++ for performance
versed saffron
I kind of want to start getting into that thb
I've learned a bit of linux but other than like opening/closing a port I haven't learnt much
Wot r u talking about
why the hell minecraft is still in java
topaz aurora
Legacy code
versed saffron
π©
versed saffron
like my shitty laptop can run r6 at 50+ fps but I can't get mc over 20 consistently
lunar shore
Back
wow lol
My laptop can't run r6 so I play on console lol
Is 200 gb good for manjaro?
topaz aurora
It's fair enough
lunar shore
Oh kk
Yess
And a question
Does Manjaro support RLTK 8821 CE?
(Wireless adapter)
9 minutes to manjaro
mild abyss
hmmm usually i just include third party drivers and idk what RLTK is :((
mild abyss
Oh realtek
lunar shore
Oh lol
mild abyss
it will download the necessary drivers for you
lunar shore
I see
mild abyss
hmmm usually i just include third party drivers and idk what RLTK is :((
@the-biologist.codes#4129 like what i said here i play safe hahaha
lunar shore
lol
errant wyvern
@lunar shore i use manjaro and pretty much anything works great
lunar shore
I hope so...with ubuntu I needed to download .deb files for my wireless driver to work
That's why I'm kinda worried @errant wyvern
errant wyvern
psa: don't forget to use sudo pacman -Syu before you install a package!
lunar shore
Ik I need to update the package lists
And where can I downlaod .pkg.tar.gz files?
Which website?
upper sand
i think default drivier installed will pretty much do the thing for u
topaz aurora
@lunar shore Probably in https://www.archlinux.org/packages/
solid pollen
Actually it is pycraft, not pythoncraft 
carmine shell
are there any other themes for discord linux except default ones ?
solid pollen
Not without breaking the ToS, no
mild abyss
@lunar shore still in RUFUS xD
solid pollen
Someone need a few scaffolding? 
Gosh you could build an entire building out of scaffolding haha
rich rover
That's what scaffolding is for
solid pollen
No no, make an actual building
With the walls being scaffolding
The floor, the doors, everything
upper sand
mild abyss
ubuntu ads popping on messenger be like
hmmmm i wanna ubuntu again
my other self stick to manjaro dammit
mild abyss
well im just starting out and Meow and Linus suggested us to use manjaro
there will come a time that i wont distro jump anymore
neon trench
π π π π π π π π π π π π π π
mild abyss
I was sure that Arch is the end, but OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is, rolling and no need for sysadmining
@rough sapphire i might switch to OpenSUSE or Arch after 6 months i guess. i read the docs and reviews. looks great :3
*assuming i wont get covid within that time
carmine shell
is there a shortcut to turn off integerated terminal in vs code
carmine shell
i mean hide
like when i use f5 to run the pgm but then i want to hide that panel
so have to use the mouse
cosmic hatch
nvm the site was down. not anymore.
lunar shore
GUYS I INSTALLED MANJARO
Yess
It's working
Took me 5 hours to fix the wireless tho :|
wheat lynx
Wow, everybody's installing Manjaro these days
Must have heard that i'm using it
I'm such a trendsetter
plucky ridge
Wait, haven't I been ranting and raving about it for the past year?
rough sapphire
I'm pretty sure you were the reason I installed it as well. After doing arch, I didnt want to do it a second time.
plucky ridge
Yeah that was my main reason for going Manjaro
A lot of the benefits of Arch with like..... 1/100th of the stress
quick ledge
even I installed manjaro coz of Hem
plucky ridge
Yusssssss
rough sapphire
It's not even stress as much as just time consuming for no reason.
plucky ridge
Exactly
quick ledge
hem are you still using XFCE?
plucky ridge
I hit a point in my life where I stopped wanting to have to tweak and perfect my system
I just want stuff to work
And yep, haven't gotten around to swapping
quick ledge
ok
plucky ridge
Why do you ask?
rough sapphire
I use KDE Plasma. Its great.
wheat lynx
Yeah, same. Although I haven't tried XFCE or Gnome with Manjaro so I can't really compare them
quick ledge
I have tried XFCE with Manjaro
not bad
I haven't tried Gnome with Manjaro specifically
not like i want to anyway
Gnome^
rough sapphire
I pretty much default on KDE Plasma if the computer can handle it.
hollow leaf
I hit a point in my life where I stopped wanting to have to tweak and perfect my system
This haha. If it works, I am happy and content.
plucky ridge
Exactly!
It's partly why I became a console gamer after all this time being a PC only guy
I just don't want to bother with it all anymore
hollow leaf
I actually do not game since thereβs so little people making sandbox stuff that isnβt so niche
rough sapphire
I used to be a PC Gamer more so that I could maintain an element of control. Today's PC Gamer seems to be more into hardware performance than control.
I just dont play games anymore very much at all
undone berry
I really miss self-hosted dedicated servers being the default
plucky ridge
Agreed
undone berry
I don't hate matchmaking, but the absolute worst of the worst is when you can "buy" servers, but only from either the game company themselves, or some janky third party provider
(Hell Let Loose is why I'm salty about that)
lofty dirge
I thought HLL has dedicated servers?
undone berry
that's what it calls them
but you can't self host it
you can only buy them from one specific third party seller
and they're like .8usd/slot
I can't just stick it on a dedicated server with a bunch of other game servers
solid pollen
Per what? Game, days, months?
undone berry
per month
but that's 80$/month
and fuck that
You can get a fairly beefy dedi for that
solid pollen
For 100 slots?
solid pollen
Dunno which game you are talking about, but it to handle 100 current connection you need a pretty beefy server
undone berry
Hell Let Loose
lofty dirge
you can get dedicated i7 6th gen servers at company for 60-80 bucks
which will handle HLL
undone berry
Β£60.81 for a decent HLL server. For that server I can get 4c/8t at 4.2ghz
lofty dirge
which could probably run 2 HLL servers
undone berry
yeah exactly. I'd probably be willing to do that and just stick a bunch of random shit on it
undone berry
Only servers I've ever actually bothered to self host were Minecraft servers - and that's trivially easy to setup
mortal fox
I wonder how those old Xeon CPUs would handle modern game servers. Might be worth looking into since they're selling for dirt cheap
worn dust
I am planning to get an old server for myself to set up a NAS
stacking those 8tb hard drives
hehe
solid pollen
But your home isn't a datacenter, that's the main issue :/
Connection and uptime wise
worn dust
the reasoning i am doing it is that i dislike the cloud
lofty dirge
johnny, I have a few
Terribly is answer
Games care about single core speed and that's it
mortal fox
Which ones do you have?
undone berry
you don't want to be hosting game servers on consumer connection
mortal fox
Surprised they're that bad. They can handle modern games just fine
lofty dirge
solid pollen
My lab (and only) server is a rpi4 1gb haha
lofty dirge
Charlie, I got 1Gbps fiber at my house
but yea, I only host for friends
never serious stuff
solid pollen
You actually have 1Gbps?
lofty dirge
it's like 800 ish
mortal fox
So jealous of that, man. No fiber in my area 
undone berry
Even so, the reliability is going to be much lower than that of an OVH/Hetzner/Whatever data centre
solid pollen
That's great
lofty dirge
and yes, my lab server is wired
but I also virtualize my game servers so there is tiny hit there
undone berry
For just friends and stuff, hosting it like that makes sense
lofty dirge
Sure, I wouldn't host game servers out of my house for money
undone berry
but not if you want a public server
mortal fox
What game servers have you tried on that CPU?
lofty dirge
Space Engineers, Factorio, Minecraft Java
solid pollen
Factorio
lofty dirge
they work, just when we got people under load, it started to show
solid pollen
I'd like to run a server, but I don't know where haha
undone berry
@solid pollen OVH's data centre?
lofty dirge
DigitalOcean
undone berry
do DO do bare metal?
lofty dirge
no
solid pollen
I'm a student, I actually have zero income per month
lofty dirge
but Factorio for a few people isn't terrible on CPU
solid pollen
So I'm pretty much screwed
lofty dirge
if you were hosting py.dis Factorio server, that would be different story
undone berry
Yeah, factorio or MC you can stick on a cheap shitty VPS
I thought he meant having a server to mess about with
lofty dirge
Vivek, let me look at speedtest from router
undone berry
@solid pollen if you want the money to have a server or whatever, why not get a job stacking shelves?
solid pollen
'cause when i' m not at school, I'm trying to get a driver license, I don't really have time
quick ledge
speedtest from lab server (which is wired)
nice
solid pollen
I was actually supposed to develop an enterprise system during those vacations, which should have paid a lot, but finally blah blah blah they don't want
lofty dirge
ping is high because I hit a server about 500 miles away
quick ledge
i get a whooping....... 20 mbps 
lofty dirge
if you did work, did they pay you Akarys?
solid pollen
No I didn't do it finally
lofty dirge
what's funny is I almost never use the speed except when downloading games from Steam
but with fiber it was either 100/100Mbps or 1/1Gbps for 20USD more per month
solid pollen
Long story short, it is a woman and her husband, and the woman want the website to work to stop her job, but her husband want to her to stop her job first
lofty dirge
Charlie, it's 80USD/mthly
undone berry
Who is it with?
lofty dirge
Verizon
undone berry
I'm guessing they have packages that would work reasonably for 40/60$, do you just not care enough about the extra 40/20$ to bother cutting it?
lofty dirge
pretty much
I'm not a college student anymore
I've been in workforce before iPhone was a thing
undone berry
Yeah - it makes sense, I was just curious
lofty dirge
here is current offerings for Fiber in my area (which weren't available when I signed up)
undone berry
200mbps is easily enough for pretty much everyone
I can't think of any usecase for it
undone berry
I don't necessarily mean for you, you're a tech enthusiast so I get it there. But most families and whatnot paying the 80 are getting mugged off
lofty dirge
for sure
esp since wifi router they give is crap
the newest one they just started giving can only do 2x2 MIMO
I setup full Ubiquiti setup in my house
quick ledge
200 mbps fpr 40$ π€€
undone berry
Right now I'm on like 10mbps, and I really don't have any issue with it
quick ledge
200 mbps fpr 40$ π€€
@lofty dirge I pay like 80$ for 20mbps
worn dust
and sooner once i get my server, I will upgrade to spectrum buisness
undone berry
oh - actually - it's waaay up on what I thought it was. I'm getting 40 down on a 4g hotspot
vagrant yew
I actually have spectrum itβs nice
worn dust
i agree
@vagrant yew i'm getting spectrum buisness in order to get a static ip
once i get my server
vagrant yew
Mmmm ok
worn dust
unless there is a better option
vagrant yew
What type of server?
worn dust
NAS
vagrant yew
Mmm ok
worn dust
it will be a older dell poweredge
quick ledge
@ Rabbit, i pay as much as you do for 20 mbps
lofty dirge
Vivek, that sucks
quick ledge
yeah
worn dust
i heard at&t fiber is coming over to our neighborhood, 1000mb/s but i hate at&t
undone berry
where are you @quick ledge ?
lofty dirge
Madorin, unless terms suck, I'd hop all over it
worn dust
at&t does shady things, but tbh all isp's do
lofty dirge
my mother has AT&T fiber, one of downsides was bandwidth cap
but since she's not a power user, it wasn't that big of a deal
I hate all these companies fighting cord cutting
undone berry
I know practically 0 about Oman - but I'm guessing it's not overly urbanized
worn dust
I would rather stay with spectrum. we never have downtime except that time that the node to our neighborhood was struck by lightning including our splitter
quick ledge
dude, I just saw an offer for 35 RO 100mbps
sand dragon
nice
quick ledge
currently i pay 30 RO at another ISP
sand dragon
Epic. Hey can someone feed me a mouse?
quick ledge
Epic. Hey can someone feed me a mouse?
like the roddent?
undone berry
mice are rodents
quick ledge
Uhm can you translate these acronyms?
RO = omani rials
ISP = Internet service provider
sand dragon
I wouldnt turn down a keyboard, especially if you already took a hammer to it when ur code didnt run as planned
Oh thanks Vivek
quick ledge
does your appetite have something to do with your name?
honest star
Ah fuck. I think I'm getting an invite back into an org I volunteered for but this time as a VP. Which is super tempting... but I did stop volunteering because of burnout.
undone berry
What sort of thing was the org doing?
honest star
It's a professional STEM org for a specific marginalized identity. I was part of the Marketing and Communications team and was practically running that team solo for about a year
I brought on more people and emphasized growing the team before I left and it looks like they have done that, but they still don't have anyone with strong leadership capablities/time and also a strong vision for the team and org as a whole
vocal cape
Hey guys and gals, a quick pool about wether you recommend JS, I would appreciate if you voted on it π https://www.strawpoll.me/20829192
solid pollen
@vocal cape one channel is probably enough 
young shoal
more channels
vocal cape
I guess not everyone checks every channel so I wanted to get the most votes
solid pollen
Yes, but if everyone does that, the server will be going like crazy
lunar jewel
what can you do with javascript ?
vocal cape
@solid pollen I only posted in OT channels don't be mad at me bud π
solid pollen
I'm not mad, that's just bad practice
vocal cape
noted
graceful basin
why would someone only check one offtopic channel?
graceful basin
yes
undone berry
of the nos, I'm imagining they've never written JS seriously ever
vocal cape
@lunar jewel take a look at f strings as well
lunar jewel
lemme give a look
young shoal
!f-strings there's this which is a nice mini-lesson
royal lakeBOT
young shoal
hm, what?
lunar jewel
graceful basin
yes
graceful raptor
Lil question
Dunno how to say correctly but Like how much "value" does the Hacker Rank certificate (Basic) have
scenic blaze
Never heard of it
vocal cape
certificates in general don't have much value
unless you actually know how to do the stuff
so don't focus on certificates but learning
@graceful raptor
vocal cape
there are some exceptions, but as a rule they don't
scenic blaze
I think it depends on the body offering the cert
If it's amazon's cert on AWS? Absolutely
If it's joerandomblow's certificate on AWS? Probably not
There are also certain topcs/fields where certs are more widely recognized/accepted
vocal cape
I can kinda agree on that. In sysadmin position and similar certs matter. For a dev? Not at all
graceful raptor
Nice thanks for the answers
scenic blaze
Yeah I can't think of a cert you'd have for a standard dev position that they couldn't just hit you with a coding interview to determine your skills
undone berry
Is there any way to set discord up so that everyone can change everyone elses name?
rough sapphire
it has to be above in the role hiearchy aswell
scenic blaze
You'd probably have to use a bot
undone berry
I think you might be right
rough sapphire
What is "above anything"
Because a less restrictive role like that is above some more restrictive role
sand goblet
Yeah you'd have to use a bot
Do remember that bots can own servers in the right circumstances
undone berry
It's only a server with like 5 people on it - doesn't even get used at all often
was just curious if there was some way (within the Discord permissions)
sand goblet
There's no way to do anything moderative against the server owner
So that's the first thing to deal with
sand inlet
maybe if you used a bot that's also the owner of the server?
it's a slightly ridiculous "solution" but i don't see why it wouldn't work
the bot has permission to change the nicknames of everyone else by being the owner
and it has permission to change its own nickname
undone berry
It would work, I just don't care enough to do it
sinful copper
what if the bot is running in the owner's account
not as a self bot, just that the owner is who the bot got its bot accoun from
red willow
rough sapphire
Great Advice
eternal wing
any advise for me?
Don't. Stop. Learning.
undone berry
in fairness - that's great advice for life
eternal wing
haha, yeah. There's an idea: philosophy through Python
rich moon
ya know i really like ubuntu wonder if i should partition my disk for it than staying in a vm
eternal wing
I dual boot my linux, but also barely use it π
cold current
I'm the opposite ^^ VM for Windows that is rarely used, Linux as my main OS
rich moon
ugh if ima partition ima have to copy my files to like a usb or sth
eager trout
why tho
spiral ridge
that link in the description looks a bit skeetchy
eager trout
pretty ironic
eternal wing
I am trying to write a .sh file in pycharm on windows and need to change the line endings for just the one file... how to do this xD
mild abyss
woah troglodyte.
upper sand
how long do u guys reckon sud be the optimal time for learning the basic of a PL?
1week>
2 days ?? 1 day?
upper sand
i c i c thnx bud
upper sand
programming language
upper sand
rust
and erlang
dont think gonna learn assembly coz i dont even know what its use for lul
rough sapphire
upper sand
lul
Assembly takes months tbh
@scenic blaze u piqued my interest for assembly now hmmm... y would u use asm ?
scenic blaze
There are some use cases, but generally you wouldn't.
upper sand
ahh fair enough
scenic blaze
The only example I can think of is High frequency stock trading where every nanosecond counts
and people try to get physical locations that are closer to the stock market because that actually matters
scenic blaze
Not more precise, but because they need to be faster than their competitors and HFT is the only field I can think of where physical location is important enough in determining your processing speeds
and no problem
upper sand
ohhh i c i c thnx again π
scenic blaze
π
upper sand
π
gleaming hare
some mod over at r/Apple server decided to play with webhook api
versed saffron
that's obviously the CEO of Apple - Tim Cook
rough sapphire
who wants to help me find the secret ring tone
solid pollen
That made me think of this https://youtu.be/9d3qCPcMgH4
eternal wing
Who ever made that is a master of sound design
solid pollen
The Nintendo games soundtracks are always awesome
remote socket
@bleak lintel They put their question throughout 4 channels and then left when confronted. No other messages besides that.
solid pollen
bruh (?)
eternal wing
oh hell yeah, this is a bop
eternal wing
I tried remixing that "xithrius" line from yesterday, but it wouldnt load into FL studio, then came up blank when rendered as wav... So I gave up like immediately
solid pollen
lol
remote socket
rip
mild abyss
just realized that firefox is just netscape hmmm
worn dust
what do you mean?
mild abyss
if you look at its history sksks
versed saffron
firefox is 10/10 %100 the best browser i've used
worn dust
i agree
versed saffron
It's improved a lot since tho
worn dust
i don't trust google with their tracking and selling of phone numbers/etc
so i use firefox
versed saffron
I've moved away from google completely (gmail), I used to use edge and bing, and I'm moving away from windows like within the month
versed saffron
ah I've been using proton
mild abyss
i cant avoid using gmail since my school opted for google for education services
so cant avoid anything google
worn dust
same, but i keep my phone data seperate from my laptop
versed saffron
you can still use an ad blocker tho
worn dust
right
versed saffron
doesn't protect from that much but it's important
especially with the ads when you google
worn dust
@versed saffron I use NAVER mail on my phone. it's like google, but i doubt they sell your phone number
they may sell other things though
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
mild abyss
wait there is naver mail?
worn dust
it's a south korean company