so it's like, sorta membrane
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
young shoal
sand goblet
Oh, also, I've been wondering
floral viper
Ill post a pic of it when I get back to the pc
sand goblet
Why are there so many tenkeyless mechanical keyboards
It's getting hard to find a full sized one
floral viper
Did a deep clean not too long ago, had keys all over the kitchen table
sonic river
f keys bad too
cold current
floral viper
Numpad is nice
undone berry
get a separate numpad
sand goblet
No
young shoal
i have a full size one but i can't really bring it with me anywhere so i'd like to get something smaller
cold current
That sounds expensive.
sand goblet
Haha
sonic river
sand goblet
Thanks I hate it
sand goblet
Tracking identifiers
undone berry
but it's like 500 chars long
sand goblet
You can remove most of it
cold current
Tag me when you upload that pic @floral viper
sonic river
i unironically want a kinesis advantage tbh
cold current
You can remove most all of it
undone berry
What's with the recent influx of mounds of cheap shitty Chinese keyboards with mechanical keys and RGB? Are 14yos really that susceptible to the marketing nonsense? Or do people genuinely just like the blinky shiny lights?
young shoal
yes, lights make you type faster
cold current
That influx was far from recent haha. Those have been flooding amazon for ages
plucky ridge
Hey, you don't have to be young to like shiny things
plucky ridge
BS
sand goblet
I've noticed it too
cold current
2 years isn't recent for me
sand goblet
It's annoying
plucky ridge
It's been going on longer than that
honest star
Shiny good, magpie brain is now active
floral viper
@cold current Before clean
undone berry
Not for the chinese stuff, I remember hunting around for keyboards and only really getting name brand stuff
floral viper
@cold current During clean
plucky ridge
I mean just quickly looking at the views that doesn't seem too bad
undone berry
RGB has been a thing since 2014/15, but the cheap knockoffs are more recent
cold current
Oh, you can take the panel off? That's super cool, yo
floral viper
@cold current After clean
cold current
Lookin' great
sand goblet
That metal thing for putting hot pans on
undone berry
The keyboards aren't poor quality or anything - they're on par with most rubber domes, so they're just fine
sand goblet
We have two of them, identical
rough sapphire
Stop talking about poor, yet you're poor.
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire What?
sonic river
found the redragon user
floral viper
@cold current Yeah the entire front panel can be lifted off for deep cleaning
plucky ridge
@undone berry Ah okay, I thought the implication was that they were crap
Then yeah, probably just because lights are shiny and cool
cold current
Neat.
honest star
Don't underestimate the magpie brain
sonic river
they're worse than other mechanical keyboards definitely, but the price is pretty much unmatched
plucky ridge
Who was it here on the server....
undone berry
I guess it's one of those things that's just so far from what I do liek that I can't understand it
also - I even own one of those shitty chinese RGB keyboards
because I was curious and it was very cheap
plucky ridge
There was someone who had a keyboard that would do Conway's Game of Life on the keyboard using the keys as cells
undone berry
I remember seeing it
young shoal
you can absolutely feel the difference though
scenic blaze
@undone berry Delete the "ref" part of the url and everything else afterwards
cold current
No worries :]
scenic blaze
Then the link is pretty simple
scenic blaze
Well... we can't always get what we want
undone berry
well
cold current
Probably shouldn't use Amazon, than ;]
scenic blaze
But if we try sometimes
undone berry
I get it with every other website
scenic blaze
We just might find
floral viper
@cold current One interesting aspect was this wire that was attached inside the spacebar. I couldn't remove the spacebar button because of it and I couldn't find out what it did. Apparently it is only present on UK manifactured keyboards but even on the model M dedicated forums no one knew what this thing did.
scenic blaze
We get what we need
cold current
Is that uninsulated?
scenic blaze
Reminds me of the magic switch story
plucky ridge
Is it a ground?
floral viper
yeah, but it doesn't attach to anything conductive
cold current
What does it attach to?
plucky ridge
Wait, so that copper tab is just on the plastic?
scenic blaze
I don't know how that only has 47 upvotes, it's a classic
plucky ridge
That's.... weird
cold current
Oh
floral viper
the inside of the spacebar button. Plastic
floral viper
ikr
floral viper
enlighten us @plucky ridge 😄
plucky ridge
But you know how with balloons you can rub them on your head and get a charge on them? Same thing can be done with plastics. And I know in the past when the air was really cold and dry, my mouse would do ghost clicks because of the charge built up
floral viper
Yeah there was discussion about it being some anti-static thingie
plucky ridge
So it is possible that it's just trying to leech any possible charge off the spacebar, and that'd be the one that would need it the most since it's the largest and gets the most common contact
cold current
Oooh that's a really interesting theory
undone berry
And I know in the past when the air was really cold and dry, my mouse would do ghost clicks because of the charge built up
that's obviously nonsense. It must have really been the ghosts.
plucky ridge
And especially since those keyboards still use membranes, so they'd be susceptible to it
cold current
I like it
floral viper
Another theory the model M'ers had was that it provided some stiffness to the spacebar
undone berry
ghosts don't click because of static - they do it to mildly annoy the living
cold current
I like Hemlock's theory better 😛
plucky ridge
Hmm, I could possibly see that
Doesn't really explain why it'd need a copper connector
I'm full of crackpot theories like that
floral viper
No I agree. There was a whole thread discussing this wire on some model M forum I found and lots of people had many theories. This was one of em
sonic river
At work, in the office I'm in, I'm constantly charged with static for w/e reason
And every single time I stand up
plucky ridge
My wife is as well
scenic blaze
Hah
sonic river
oh, except mine
honest star
There are certain headphones I can't wear in the winter because my winter jacket generates too much static while I walk and it shocks me through my earbud
scenic blaze
Ouch
young shoal
yikes
undone berry
I find earbuds uncomfortable enough without the lightning
plucky ridge
@floral viper The only other theory I have is that it's intended to send an electrical shock to the worker to keep them motivated
floral viper
@plucky ridge That works for me 😂
scenic blaze
Wouldn't that just make them confused
If they get electrocuted when they're working
plucky ridge
Only the first time
floral viper
Kinda like one of em shock collars. As soon as the developer snoozes off it shocks em
plucky ridge
I mean it's not the only thing used to do so
undone berry
it's a reminder for them to never get complacent
honest star
There's only 1 set of earbuds I've ever liked and I pay $80 and it's worrh every penny
plucky ridge
You then have the booming voice over the PA
"CONTINUE YOUR WORK, WAGE SLAVE"
See, this is why it would be bad if I ever became evil
I actually have all these ideas but I'm a paladin at heart
young shoal
nah, you could never be evil, you don't have a beard
plucky ridge
True
undone berry
I gotta say - as evil ideas go, this is a sort of good cartoony evil
floral viper
Sawa funny video the other day that claimed healers are actually the most evil kind of players
plucky ridge
They control who lives and who dies
floral viper
exactly
undone berry
well
floral viper
and they punish the people they don't like by not healing em
plucky ridge
Temporarily
undone berry
if you kill the healer first - it's pretty damn permanent
undone berry
no - coming at it from the other end of "alive"
plucky ridge
Also, fun fact, by game rules, raging berserkers can survive in space while raging
honest star
Necromancers are just healers that can't let go >_>
undone berry
so angry that even the vacuum is scared to go near them
plucky ridge
Granted it doesn't last long and you have to heal them like INSTANTLY otherwise they'll just implode
"I'm too angry to die" is going to be my battle cry for my next character
undone berry
Did you used to have a pet dog?
honest star
Me or hem?
undone berry
Hem - but it's a bad reference to John WIck
plucky ridge
It was a good reference
undone berry
Is a Raspberry Pi powerful enough to stream HD video?
young shoal
the best one has a 1.5Ghz processor right
undone berry
oh - mines a 3
sand goblet
It is
undone berry
alright - thanks
young shoal
what are you planning
undone berry
to stream HD video from a Raspberry Pi
young shoal
hm
lofty dirge
I believe it can handle 1080p
cosmic hatch
scenic blaze
🤷♀️
gentle moss
watching the netflix documentary high score
pretty interesting
it's good to see insider takes on the creation and origin of gaming history.
narrow pecan
@lofty dirge @sand goblet @ancient minnow I've created a first important part to writing a shell like the one we discussed.
This is a piece of code that can save and load the state of the program. I'll just have to add a way to make new attributes of a DataSaver instance whenever any new globals are added. After that, we'll be well on our way to making a shell that can save its state (and be used for something like an interactive python shell on discord).
import dill
from os import remove
class DataSaver:
def __init__(self, log_file_path, **kwargs):
self.__dict__.update(kwargs)
self.log_file_path = log_file_path
def load_to_global(self):
globals().update(self.__dict__)
def load_state(self):
with open(self.log_file_path, "rb") as f:
state = dill.load(f)
self.__dict__.update(state)
def save_state(self):
with open(self.log_file_path, "wb") as f:
dill.dump(self.__dict__, f, dill.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)
def delete_state(self):
try:
remove(self.log_file_path)
except FileNotFoundError:
print("No state found")
Saver = DataSaver("shell-log.pkl")
Just pip install dill and you should be able to try it out, if intetested
narrow pecan
I think you were, to some extent
https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/291284109232308226/746488882631147520
sand goblet
oh, you meant a repl
this isn't useful really, you can pass a globals dict and pickle it
narrow pecan
Well, yeah
sand goblet
you don't - and shouldn't - need to manage the globals
narrow pecan
True
The reason why I created a class instead of pickling the globals straight away is so we don't have to save all of the stuff that isn't relevant to the specific program
That way, I'm hoping that all newly declared objects could be attributes of the DataSaver instance. This would allow us to only save the important parts of the program
Do you know if there's a way to hook into the creation of new objects? If I do x=5, I want to do Saver.x = 5 as well
shrewd flare
it took me a stupid amount of time to make a script that double checks that a log file grows bigger and respawns a program
solid pollen
Why would you even pickle a dict when json is a thing anyway 
soft violet
Well, when someone annoys you, you can call them a pickle dict.
They'll think you're an idiot, but you'll secretly have a bigger brain than them.
Cue smugness.
spiral ridge
sand goblet
Because there are lots of things json can't serialize
scenic blaze
Gotta watch out for those pickled dick
eternal wing
Gotta watch out for those pickled dick
I just got here, I don't see context... i hope there is none
round rose
As you can see, my dict is getting pretty big
solid pollen
The size of your dict doesn't matter, it is how you use it
rough sapphire
Can someone explain me how to build RPC microservices on pyton?
I kinda understand how to make REST microservices, but I've read the Nameko docs a little and so far it seems that Nameko works between the processes that run in the same OS instance. I don't see how can I dockerise them into separate containers
rancid forge
This is the first time I've seen this on mobile
solid pollen
It is quite old iirc
rancid forge
That's probably right
Since they changed the behavior of holding a server to the action of moving it, I haven't held down on it in a while
Except for when I forget about the other behavior, like just now
rough sapphire
what does 8 bit precision mean
versed saffron
@rough sapphire the value can take up at max 8 bits in memory
floats as an example usually take up 32 bits and the certainty of said floats is limited to the amount of mem allocated
whereas doubles take 64 bits and hence have a higher level of certainty associated
(I think)
undone berry
It's not about certainty, it's about precision
versed saffron
Same concept
young shoal
huh what?
undone berry
there's no uncertainty. If you have a floating point number, it represents that number. There's no chance it could represent another number.
versed saffron
Certainty in a mathematical sense mean you know what a number is, the more precise you are - the greater level of certainty you have
undone berry
I've never heard it used that way
there's a range of certainty with probability and whatnot
versed saffron
If I had Pi in a double, I’d have twice the certainty of the value compared to using a float
undone berry
but that's again not the same thing
you wouldn't - because you can't represent pi in a floating point number
versed saffron
You can represent an approximation tho
solid pollen
A double isn't just a number with a host native size * 2 precision?
Ah, you can't represent it because it isn't an actual finite number, gotcha
undone berry
yeah, a floating point number can only represent a subset of rational numbers - and pi isn't even rational
versed saffron
I can’t actually find anything on the interwebs about it, so unless someone can confirm I know what I’m talking about, ignore the whole certainty thing
wintry coral
wintry coral
why do i always manage to kill chats
undone berry
because you post shit videos that no one cares about and that aren't related to anything that was being said before
then you also do nothing to try and start a new conversation
you just post a link with no hook into a new conversation about it
young shoal
you didn't have to destroy him like that
versed saffron
actually speaking of off topic ot's
has anyone looked into the kfocus model one?
I'm thinking of getting one but there's like next to no reviews and it seems kinda sus
gritty zinc
Want something amazing?
https://medium.com/menlo-office/how-to-get-around-newspaper-paywalls-in-2020-read-article-for-free-6d62bd91bd63
An article called
"How To Get Around Newspaper Paywalls In 2020 Read Article For Free"
with the synopsis:
Bypass and read the New York Times, Medium, WSJ, Washington Post, Business Insider and Financial Times For Free.
It's on Medium.
And it's paywalled, or at least not readable without an account.
gritty zinc
If you cannot stop it, lead it 😉
charred fulcrum
Want something amazing?
https://medium.com/menlo-office/how-to-get-around-newspaper-paywalls-in-2020-read-article-for-free-6d62bd91bd63
An article called
"How To Get Around Newspaper Paywalls In 2020 Read Article For Free"
with the synopsis:
It's on Medium.And it's paywalled, or at least not readable without an account.
@gritty zinc no, I can read the article without an account
gritty zinc
you're probably logged in on facebook/google or something
that, or it's country-specific
round rose
no paywall for me either
And the article looks extremely sus, it's something you'd read on a random website without an SSL certificate that repeats the same thing several times to get better indexing treatment
Typos, grammatical errors, all the good stuff
gritty zinc
interesting, it opens for me in another browser
sand goblet
Medium paywalls you if you read a lot of articles on it
versed saffron
I do love friendly cpp servers
scenic blaze
Just want to chime in that certainty, accuracy, and precision are all separate concepts
Certainty has to do with probability, here's my guess and this is how certain I am that it's correct. Accuracy has to deal with how close something is to the correct value. If my weight is 150 pounds and a scale reads it at 120, that's inaccurate. Precision is basically how many decimal places there are. But you can have precise without having accuracy. For example, if that same scale said I weighed 120.0000 pounds, that's extremely precise (but still inaccurate)
versed saffron
I thought certainty ∝ precision
at least that was the first thing my physics teacher taught
undone berry
versed saffron
so certainty is a product of both?
undone berry
no
certainty is just something you have in your head
with very little to do with accuracy and precision
young shoal
hm what
rough sapphire
My brain nearly came off after a big problem which i haven't still solved it yet
wintry coral
because you post shit videos that no one cares about and that aren't related to anything that was being said before
@undone berry thats a little rude
why would no one care about her singing
shes very talented
are you having a bad day?
it's okay, we are all human.
versed saffron
we were talking about precision and you jumped in with a unrelated video
it's not rude it's just fact
versed saffron
why do i always manage to kill chats
you asked and got an answer idk what to tell you
wintry coral
i got an answer from a person having a bad day, i wanted to make sure he was alright — not sure why you joined our conversation, it was between me and him. @versed saffron
young shoal
lol
rough sapphire
glizzies
🌭
I mean zoony in this case is right
You really don't have a conversation anymore if its been an hour or more
Leaving the channel's topic to be switched at any given moment
Which is what zoony did
Not sure how some of yall are bashing him about it
scenic blaze
The original response was that they just posted a video without context or comment, which is a fair criticism
Also, in a public chat, you can't really say "I was only talking to them" you're talking to everyone
rough sapphire
Well, they wanted to share something that they thought would be nice to post here
Yes it is without context but this whole chat room is meant to be with no main topic
median domeBOT
What is your earliest memory of Easter?
rough sapphire
Also in public chat you can sorta have a 1 on 1 convo if they really wanted to. I mean it's not the best for obvious reasons. But its the same as being in a crowded area.
You can talk to someone in-direct or tell everyone
wintry coral
Also, in a public chat, you can't really say "I was only talking to them" you're talking to everyone
@scenic blaze so if you're out in public, and talk to your friend, does that make you talk to everyone outside?
i sent that video because i wanted to share it with people at the time, maybe so you could watch it and leave your thoughts on her voice — which would then start a conversation.
i understand if @undone berry is having a bad day, as said, we are all human and we should understand each other.
gritty zinc
@halcyon tide google term is java discord server. Gives, say, https://top.gg/servers/272761734820003841
scenic blaze
@wintry coral False equivalency. If I'm out in public I can talk to just my friend. That's the equivalent of chatting in DMs. When you're online and in a public chat channel, you're in an open public forum where anyone can read what you're saying or chime in.
upper sand
i sud have brought some popcorn for this
😞
if u are in dm its in stack memory and in public chat its bufferoverflow 
||pun intended||
versed saffron
But its the same as being in a crowded area.
It's more like being in a room with a bunch of people and talking loudly
rancid forge
yay, i made a readme
scenic blaze
I installed more RAM in my laptop
young shoal
fast ram?
scenic blaze
But there was a screw that resisted all attempts to remove that prevented me from installing the new SSD
So it's kind of an F but I'm loving my new 32 GB of ram
New SSD would have had double the storage space and triple the read/write speed 😦
scenic blaze
Just ddr4 😄
rancid forge
ddr2²
scenic blaze
dance dance revolution
rancid forge
are you regretting your life choices
versed saffron
dance dance revolution too squared
scenic blaze
Like, with regards to anything specific or just in general
rancid forge
programming
undone berry
@wintry coral you asked a question I gave the answer
Not really sure why you think it's about having a bad day
gentle moss
why is 9am?
solid pollen
Because it's 10am
simple sand
hey i am trying to open a
.jar file
and i found that I need to install Java
Which one should I install
wintry coral
anyone can read what you're saying or chime in.
@scenic blaze yes, anyone could read what you're saying.
Also, in a public chat, you can't really say "I was only talking to them" you're talking to everyone
@scenic blaze but that doesn't make you talk to everyone?
@wintry coral you asked a question I gave the answer
@undone berry everyone could tell u were having a bad day lol
if not, then i assume you're just a failure
literally no one has that attitude
wintry coral
me? chill?
xd
ok ngl it looked worse on phone
looked like a whole dictionary
shit was compressed
upper sand
well that was a bit harsh 🙃 but ye u do u
sand goblet
I mean, Charlie is pretty correct
you post videos without context, often in the middle of another conversation
and then you just leave
if you want to start a conversation then you have to do more than dump a video into a channel
and if you don't.. maybe don't post it
sand goblet
I'm sure zoony is perfectly able to handle that criticism, no need to deflect
upper sand
u guys do u lol im just not joining that convo
wintry coral
often in the middle of another conversation
false, please show me where i have done that.
upper sand
i just didnt had my popcorn ready for the convo
wintry coral
i sent that video because i wanted to share it with people at the time, maybe so you could watch it and leave your thoughts on her voice — which would then start a conversation.
also, this is why i sent that video
and then you just leave
i come back to see the responses, but i dont get any
topaz aurora
That's normal
sand goblet
well, you've tried to redirect a conversation to typeracer a couple times
upper sand
lul
topaz aurora
You really can't expect people to engage with you all the time otherwise
sand goblet
you also injected yourself into another conversation to complain about being banned on another server
wintry coral
well, you've tried to redirect a conversation to typeracer a couple times
no? they were all talking about how fast SavagePastaMan was, so i suggested we could all race?
you also injected yourself into another conversation to complain about being banned on another server
false, again, i was warned by a moderator and people also thought it was unfair so i just asked him questions?
sand goblet
have you.. looked over your own history?
I'm not here to roast you but that's pretty blatantly false once you filter for links here
upper sand
im still lost in the irony 😫
surreal otter
I'm just here with some popcorn
upper sand
ty
sand goblet
honestly people naturally interrupt conversations here a lot because they just don't read the channel they clicked on
it's an acquired skill
upper sand
bufferoverflow ;-;
surreal otter
How did I even end up in ot1, IDK, it was the first OT I hopped into, and happened to catch whatever this is
Such a common occurrence
The internet is a wild plce
wintry coral
I'm not here to roast you but that's pretty blatantly false once you filter for links here
@sand goblet roast me? could you please provide some screenshots?
this is what i found, and i left a comment
what more do u want me to do
lol
sand goblet
I mean, do you really want me to go over the context of every time you've done this? haha
it could take a while
gentle moss
[12:15] zoony: what more do u want me to do
actively engage :)
just read up when you open up a channel
check timestamps
see what's going on
👌
wintry coral
?
everytime i've posted a video, chat has been dead?
why would i do that otherwise, it would get buried a few seconds later anyway?
sand goblet
videos aren't the only thing you post though
upper sand
gduge are u gonna give us a show 🙃
sand goblet
pinging someone in the middle of a conversation when you're referring to a conversation that happened earlier on is still interrupting a conversation
wintry coral
what
upper sand
shadeee lul
wintry coral
provide some screenshots please
sand goblet
as was the case in both typeracer posts, from what I can see
gentle moss
i mean i find the typeracer thing kinda funny
upper sand
i thought u were telling me lul gdude coz i think i did that to u earlier lul
surreal otter
What is typeracer?
surreal otter
Only liars use the word 'always'
topaz aurora
more often than never
surreal otter
someone else might have a better bot, and by using a bot, are you not violating the tos, therefore lose?
by virtue of rules
so you always lose
wintry coral
Only liars use the word 'always'
@surreal otter exactly, it's called irony
people say that, it's normal
sand goblet
lol, true, posting typeracer links when you have a cheating tool is quite the thing
upper sand
lul
surreal otter
Isn't a cheating tool a violation of !rule 5
sand goblet
it is
wintry coral
!rule 5
royal lakeBOT
surreal otter
That's a fuckin shame, maybe you shouldn't challenge people to typeracer
wintry coral
why?
surreal otter
if you are doing it exclusively to break their TOS
wintry coral
r u braindead
surreal otter
you can attack my ideas, not my person
surreal otter
I'm just following the conversation
topaz aurora
I don't mind some banter in here but calling another guild member braindead is something we don't tolerate. Do be careful of what you're saying.
wintry coral
I don't mind some banter in here but calling another guild member
braindeadis something we don't tolerate. Do be careful of what you're saying.
@topaz aurora sure mb
wintry coral
you did not deny that you havea bot after gdude said you madea bot
@surreal otter i could have made a bot, but does that make me have to use it? no?
sand goblet
note that the quality of the conversation happening in the channel wouldn't be compromised without the highlighted messages
wintry coral
i developed it AFTER the typeracer game, as i got interested
note that the quality of the conversation happening in the channel wouldn't be compromised without the highlighted messages
@sand goblet they weren't even in your conversation lol
and can't you change subjects? 
sand goblet
I suppose I shouldn't expect anything less than moving the goalposts from the creator of a cheating tool
topaz aurora
Boring is subjective
surreal otter
C'mon, it's not cheating, just automated winning
sand goblet
yeah, other people were having a conversation, you don't get to just jump in and try to change it
that's known as derailing
upper sand
wintry coral
yeah, other people were having a conversation, you don't get to just jump in and try to change it
@sand goblet it's a public chat, me and @spiral ridge could have had our own conversation and you could have kept talking to your other friend?
lol what
upper sand
mann other off-topic channel seem dead ....
sand goblet
sure? you asked for examples
surreal otter
you said derailing, I thought trains 🙂
surreal otter
and that led me to that gif
graceful basin
you are supposed to start other convos in dead ot channels
wintry coral
so what's the problem
sand goblet
the problem is that it's rude and annoying
upper sand
ohhh
wintry coral
you are supposed to start other convos in dead ot channels
@graceful basin that's exactly what i did
when posting that yt vid
surreal otter
I've seen many good conversations die
sand goblet
it's annoying because there are three OT channels to avoid the issue of derailing
wintry coral
yet he's complaining LOL
topaz aurora
We're not even talking about said YT vid anymore. We're talking about other instances in the past where you've done this.
surreal otter
move that cursor!
sand goblet
implying that you did indeed derail a previous conversation
surreal otter
snip!
sand goblet
although in this case it had been some time, yeah
surreal otter
actually
topaz aurora
Since you're clearly still bringing those up by asking for screenshots, it seems to me that you also want to talk about those
surreal otter
I'd argue "always manage to kill chats" implies more than "a previous conversation"
And a derailment still has conversation, but a killed chat would be people walk away, which is even worse
sand goblet
shot yourself in the foot there, I'd say, zoony
to be clear, this is hardly the biggest issue of our time
but you did ask the question
surreal otter
There are no more important topics than offtopic derailment my dude
sand goblet
haha
surreal otter
this is the topic of our time
wintry coral
i mean tbf i don't even manage to kill chats, people reply
i did one time, when posting that yt video
that's when i joked and said "why do i always manage to kill chats" cause that's obviously not true
sand goblet
I mean really we're just being pedantic at this point
quick ledge
@gdudeit's a public chat, me and@yescould have had our own conversation and you could have kept talking to your other friend?
@wintry coral heard of something called "DMs"?
surreal otter
tbh IDK
sand goblet
what we really want is for you to engage with the topic at hand in a channel
surreal otter
I just jumped into the conversation
and like a good guild member
I followed the winds of the conversation
instead of going against the grain
wintry coral
@wintry coral heard of something called "DMs"?
@quick ledge i have dms disabled, and so does he.
sand goblet
time to add a friend then \o/
surreal otter
and trying to derail it because I really wanted to talk about whether or not to buy Mario Oddysey
wintry coral
i don't add random people
surreal otter
but it was not the time nor the place to discuss my purchase of Mario Oddysey
sand goblet
well you do keep pinging them, so maybe they're not so random
wintry coral
well you do keep pinging them, so maybe they're not so random
@sand goblet "keep"?
surreal otter
it was time to discuss the derailment of conversations, as that was the conversation at hand
wintry coral
dude what
quick ledge
you can't expect to talk in a public chat channel without others hopping in
sand goblet
you've pinged them 13 times over the last 2 days
wintry coral
you can't expect to talk in a public chat channel without others hopping in
@quick ledge i wouldn't mind having others hop in?
quick ledge
one sec zoony
graceful basin
graceful basin
yes
quick ledge
tree is yes
sand goblet
oh, did they change
graceful basin
they are tree
wintry coral
you're making it look like i keep pinging him, and he doesn't reply
sand goblet
oh okay
wintry coral
i still don't know him?
quick ledge
@quick ledge i wouldn't mind having others hop in?
@wintry coral https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/746896304038215822 was referring to this
wintry coral
he seems cool, sure
sand goblet
although I have to say, discord's automatic adding of a mention to a quote is.. not smart
sand goblet
I like to remove the mention if the message wasn't that long ago, but that's just me
wintry coral
would be a good idea, yes
@wintry coral https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/746896304038215822 was referring to this
@quick ledge we were talking about how people usually hop in, this time it was just annoying as he had nothing to do with our conversation and i would not add a random person just to finish our conversation.
wintry coral
the chat was still dead, he just wanted to join our conversation for some reason
although it is public, you don't have to join others conversations
could be a little annoying
quick ledge
that's the thing about public chats
it's public
you can't gatekeep on whether people can join your threads or not
wintry coral
i would not add a random person just to finish our conversation.
quick ledge
still
you can't gatekeep on whether people can join your threads or not
surreal otter
Really neat thing about Discord
anyone can make their own channels and chats and servers and whatever they want
so you can gatekeep your private communities
and these public ones get to be all open
and public
sand goblet
I should say, I've been running communities for 15 years, so I'm not totally talking out of my ass here :>
gentle moss
this server != your server
wintry coral
not the point
median domeBOT
What is your favourite Easter candy or treat?
gentle moss
hmm... why is easter about sweet foods?
when did that pivot happen?
i also find it weird that christianity adopted eggs as a symbol of the resurrection
especially when pagans also had a holiday near easter about fertility and the likes because, you know, spring.
upper sand
anyway, this conversation is tired and boring
@gentle moss def
sand goblet
It is a pretty odd one
sand goblet
It's nice for the kids but I'm not a fan
gentle moss
pancakes i can get behind though
sand goblet
Although you bet your ass I'm getting an egg anyway
gentle moss
oh sure, they're just so cheap
cheapest chocolate imaginable
especially if you wait until after easter
sand goblet
We get the M&S ones
gentle moss
plus it's a great way to get a mug
sand goblet
They're not cheap but they're really good quality
sand goblet
I haven't seen one with a mug here for a while
gentle moss
i like it as a marketing move
sand goblet
Reminds me of the Christmas bonus we got when I was working at fexco
gentle moss
"do i want a chocolate egg? nah. do i want a chocolate egg and a stylised mug? hell yes."
sand goblet
Umbrellas with the company logo on them
gentle moss
that's.... that's not a bonus
gentle moss
dude
wintry coral
no need to swear!
gentle moss
plenty of need to swear.
gentle moss
annnnyway
wintry coral
gentle moss
that is a real shit christmas bonus
what did they just look in the stockroom or something?
gentle moss
i can imagine
we generally get a few hundred quid and then some goodies
we got a 1st quarter bonus this year too. cheapo toolkit + raspberry pi + £50 amazon gift card.
i now have 4 raspberry pi's that aren't being used
sighs
sand goblet
it seemed like a very small bonus for a financial company under fexco's tree
gentle moss
i mean, yeah. that's just shitty behaviour
bad way to keep employees happy
it doesn't take a lot to make someone feel more valued
decent shit in a bonus helps a boat load
upper sand
@wintry coral i think u already came to realisation that they dont like u 🙃
gentle moss
aw man, why drag the conversation back to that
sand goblet
I don't dislike them
gentle moss
don't do it
sand goblet
if I disliked them I wouldn't have bothered having the entire conversation haha
sand goblet
hey bisk did you see the doom eternal speedrun at SGDQ?
gentle moss
i mean cows are already fast
they can run up to 30mph iirc
nah, i haven't seen
any big bugs?
gentle moss
oh shit yeah it's got a hook
sand goblet
let me get you an example real quick
gentle moss
sure, i can pause my DNC podcast for a bit
god i nerd out so much at US elections. it's probably unhealthy.
sand goblet
okay this one isn't a slingshot
but it's so much better
not the first set of rings
keep going
gentle moss
it seems like there's more aircontrol / bhopping than 2016
sand goblet
you can bhop in this yup
gentle moss
a nice change
sand goblet
they use it a lot
gentle moss
as a bunnyhopper i approve
sand goblet
you can also use it to keep speed through cutscenes
cutspeed
and the hook thing is known as yeethook because of course
sand goblet
it's a fantastic game casually
gentle moss
does it still have the arcade mode?
gentle moss
you run through individual levels getting points
like an arcade game
online scoreboard and that
sand goblet
I think all they have for that is the master levels
which are harder versions of the normal levels
gentle moss
got some top 100 rankings
sand goblet
battlemode is 2v1 where the 2 are demons
gentle moss
as in people get to play as demons?
sand goblet
yes
gentle moss
nice, that's a cool idea
sand goblet
that's amusing, I took a screenshot and it murdered my gpu driver
anyway yeah I don't see an arcade mode
some of the "viva las vega" event rewards
look at that elvis mancubus
gentle moss
would you love him tender?
gentle moss
oh nice
sand goblet
it was pre-order only though
gentle moss
i was so tempted to get the helmet limited edition
still am
another thing to have in my webcam background
gentle moss
it's nice that they don't take it too seriously
far too much of that going around in triple a's
sand goblet
gentle moss
hahahaha
gentle moss
a unicown swayer
sand goblet
haha yeah
but yeah, no arcade mode, master levels are the closest thing
also I appreciate not having an infinite-ammo weapon
it's actually quite nice for gameplay to not have one
the blaster in 2016 was far too good
upper sand
wait just out of curiosity do u guys have like voting system to choose which skin sud be available in the game or its just someone makes it and chucks it in the game for everyone to use ?
sand goblet
They're official skins
They mostly exist for battlemode ofc
I don't think there's a deathmatch or map maker like in 2016
upper sand
ahha i c i c fair enough
gentle moss
yeah, they're officially made skins
id software has gone weak on the modding front since being bought out by bethesda
it's a shame really
quake modding is why team fortress exists
undone berry
Modding as a whole has really fallen off in the last 10/15 years
sand goblet
It does have mods
Not officially, although id is apparently working on that
But yeah
gentle moss
i think part of that is the rising complexity of development
sand goblet
Risk of rain 2 also has mods by the way
gentle moss
as well as publishers being more protectionist about their work
and, perhaps, not wanting to miss the "next big thing"
sand goblet
Perhaps
undone berry
Minecraft is the only game that has shined with mods recently. Lots of games have them, but very few to the extent of quake, wc3, or half life
sand goblet
I appreciate when games are distributed as an engine and mods
gentle moss
it's why you see terms of service that are like "any mod you make is our property"
which is insane
sand goblet
Stonehearth and Starbound both do this
gentle moss
earlier quakes were all made totally opensource
engine code and all
it's kept the games alive. communities adding features they want / need for competition or whatever
sand goblet
That reminds me, I have succeeded at modding Minecraft in Kotlin
Still need to know java for it but
undone berry
Hurrah?
upper sand
i mean there aer serveral mods that turned to really popular games. for instance arma 2 mod turned into dayz and pubg...
freak i type too slow
gentle moss
upper sand
i reckon gdude is kotlin fanboy
gentle moss
he does run a kotlin server
sand goblet
You don't understand, I wrote a Forge mod with Aki over the course of like two weeks
And ported it to fabric with kotlin in two days
sand goblet
Haha
sand goblet
It's not a systems language
It does compile to native code but kotlin/native is just there as an extra target right now, so it's not optimised
round rose
kotlin runs on the JVM
sand goblet
Kotlin runs on the JVM, as well as compiles to native, JavaScript and wasm
upper sand
ahh i c
round rose
Oh, that's neat
upper sand
im more curious about kotlin native
graceful basin
I would not expect it to get native speed even when optimized. Java style OOP is quite slow compared to C style OOP, even if more flexible
graceful basin
you still have inheritance, runtime dispatch, overriding on all methods, ...
sand goblet
True, true
upper sand
ty
one last question do u recommend learning kt/n while its still not matured enough, I mean u r probably gonna use it only for mobile app development but do u think its more likely to get used in lower level and other web development stuffs too in near future ?
sand goblet
Kotlin is the primary language used on android these days
I'm not sure if it's actually kotlin/native, I don't think it is
but either way I'd say kotlin as a language is fairly usable
that said, native does lack a lot of standard libraries
mild abyss
so it is still new how old is kotlin?
graceful basin
nah, it is not native. android is straight up java, though with no JVM, but afaik still uses JVM bytecode
gentle moss
for now
upper sand
ahh fair enough.
gritty zinc
@balmy stream
import time,statistics
times = []
iters = 100
n_each = 100
for i in range(iters):
start = time.perf_counter()
for j in range(n_each):
print("Line")
times.append((time.perf_counter()-start)/n_each)
print(f"Mean: {statistics.fmean(times):.2e}")
print(f"STD: {statistics.stdev(times):.2e}")
This gives me
Mean: 1.94e-04
STD: 4.76e-05
so around 194 microseconds per print.
upper sand
iteroperability with other native language seems pretty promising to me tbh..
well...
gentle moss
oracle might have words about that
balmy stream
@balmy stream
import time,statistics times = [] iters = 100 n_each = 100 for i in range(iters): start = time.perf_counter() for j in range(n_each): print("Line") times.append((time.perf_counter()-start)/n_each) print(f"Mean: {statistics.fmean(times):.2e}") print(f"STD: {statistics.stdev(times):.2e}")This gives me
Mean: 1.94e-04 STD: 4.76e-05so around 194 microseconds per print.
@gritty zinc and how long doesC++'sstd::couttake?
upper sand
ahhh and hopefully they replace jvm
gritty zinc
@balmy stream Hell if I know, time it 😛
young shoal
with uh, timeit
balmy stream
how do i time it?
upper sand
say on what bisk?? about interoperability??
topaz aurora
It probably would stick around for a long time
balmy stream
isnt timeit a python module?
upper sand
daquack
gritty zinc
how do i time it?
Do you see me using timeit here?
gentle moss
oracle suing google over their rebuilding of the java api
gritty zinc
https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header/ctime
seems to have all that's needed.
gentle moss
we were already having a discussion
balmy stream
how do i use that to measure the time in c++?
https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header/ctime
seems to have all that's needed.
@gritty zinc this^
gentle moss
the oracle suit has some big implications for software development
if they win, at least
gritty zinc
how do i use that to measure the time in c++?
You.. just... get the time before and after printing? Like my Python program does?..
gentle moss
either way it goes it's going to clear up some legal fronts
balmy stream
You.. just... get the time before and after printing? Like my Python program does?..
@gritty zinc well how do i do that?
gentle moss
[13:59] bisk: hey guys, ot2 is empty.
[13:59] bisk: could you take your talk there?
[13:59] bisk: we were already having a discussion
upper sand
seems fair enough
balmy stream
and what was the time it took you to print in python?
upper sand
what the hell
i mean law suit are really long
too tedious specially when there is heaps of money involved
undone berry
I really wish oracle would hurry up and die
upper sand
lul
undone berry
I don't want to wait 50 years for that to happen
But it seems like our will take that long
young shoal
just walk over and stab it
gentle moss
oracle really are getting very patent trolly
surprised they haven't tried to cease and desist mariadb
mild abyss
oracle is very evil
gentle moss
pretty evil, yeah
upper sand
and that dude who own oracle got daughter complex
i heard it somewhere that he gave his daughter 2 billion to make a movie which ended up being a total failure
i heard it didnt even earn a penny
gentle moss
that could also be a tax avoidance thing
gentle moss
funding for movies often gives you some sort of tax break
there have been multiple cases of movies being made solely as a way to reduce tax bills
upper sand
ahh i seee i guess i learned soemthing new today
gentle moss
it's shaaaaady and also means garbage keeps getting made
mild abyss
there have been multiple cases of movies being made solely as a way to reduce tax bills
@gentle moss thanks ill make a failed movie now
gentle moss
:D
upper sand
its like they are trying to clean their black money
🙃
im more into series than movies nowadays lol
upper sand
aside that its still scary that ppl get suied for stupid reasons
mild abyss
@upper sand whats the tea?
upper sand
my m8 got suied once
mild abyss
and the reason?
upper sand
it too controversial and i dont want ppl to throw their opinions on it
he was a cop 🙃
upper sand
bahhaha
mild abyss
i get it
upper sand
😄
gentle moss
i mean it's good we have a criminal justice system that allows us to sue people for injustices they've committed
upper sand
true but some ppl try to take advantage of it.
but ye there will always be people like them out there.
floral viper
Imagine how our justice system would look like without lawsuits. If someone caused damage to you there would be no way to hold the accountable.
Companies would have zero interest in playing nice
mild abyss
the world will be ruled by corporations
gentle moss
if they're a bad actor just don't buy their product, duuuuuuuuuuuuuh
i mean it already is
but it'd be worse
upper sand
true trueee
floral viper
If not it was blatantly obivous when marc zucc was questioned by the us govt
gentle moss
i mean, i'm still of the opinion that there shouldn't be billionaires
hah
god, that deposition
floral viper
the way he threw around those dinosaurs really showed what kind of opposition these companies have
gentle moss
like dude, you're worth billions, hire a coach
wintry eagle
time to change the system haha
mild abyss
time to change the system haha
@wintry eagle that is very hard to do
wintry eagle
indeed it will take lots of time and small changes within communities
gentle moss
french revolution was probably the last major revolt that had any real success
mild abyss
the root of the problem is how money and resources are used by communities
and how they were distributed
and regulated
wintry eagle
yes but also the last that worked with people going into the streets
perhaps now change should come from somewhere else and differently
mild abyss
second, people are lazy to do it
mild abyss
if people arent lazy and 80% of the population rose up against the wealthy, i think we can change things
wintry eagle
@mild abyss or they care too much for their own stuff u know
mild abyss
lazy is a wrong term my bad
floral viper
The problem with revolutions is that they tend to make everything worse. Look at the arab spring and what happened there
There has been so many historical accounts of revolutions going haywire I am surprised people still lobby for em.
wintry eagle
anymore revolutions come from the internet and the economies
they have changed means
floral viper
I believed that as well - when I was 16
wintry eagle
what about now? @floral viper
floral viper
@wintry eagle Look at the arab spring I say
mild abyss
so it is a double edged sword ?
floral viper
The arab spring was a perfect example of people using social media and the internet to put pressure on the sitting government. It turned into civil wars in most cases with military despots assuming major leader roles.
mild abyss
sounds like my country but we havent gone that part yet
floral viper
The president of Egypt got replaced by a military despot. Libya got plunged into a civil war that still rage.
undone berry
french revolution was probably the last major revolt that had any real success
@gentle moss
If the French revolution was successful, then surely so was the Russian?
floral viper
The Syrian civil war was also caused by the arab spring protests
These wars have been raging for almost 10 years, yet people argue revolutions are a good thing. As if these things could not happen to us lol
mild abyss
On Egypt, for example, the story usually goes something like this: First, the brave and idealistic but tragically naive revolutionaries focused only on bringing down the evil dictator Hosni Mubarak, but not on governing when he was gone. They failed to plan or to politically organize, foolishly placing their faith in hope, change, and Facebook instead of doing the difficult work of real politics.
-read it from Vox
wintry eagle
true but in that area there was preexisting turmoil regarding lots of other issues. I believe the protests were just the motive/excuse, not the underlying reason
floral viper
@mild abyss That pretty much sums it up. One moment they were protesting and the next that military despot had ordered armoured cars into the streets to quell the protests.
And you suggest we don't have preexisting turmoil? lmao
mild abyss
yeah. I am pretty sure if a revolt happens now in my country, my world will turn 360 then 180
wintry eagle
hahaha no
mild abyss
do you have any suggestion on how to make change work?
wintry eagle
change has to come from people's minds and everyday habits, not from a sudden change or revolution
floral viper
Egypt blocked internet traffic back during the spring. They cut the wires over the mediterrean to stop people from posting about what happened there. So internet activists was busy at work setting up relays for the egyptian protestors to use
gentle moss
oh... didn't think about that @undone berry
mild abyss
charlie?
Egypt blocked internet traffic back during the spring. They cut the wires over the mediterrean to stop people from posting about what happened there. So internet activists was busy at work setting up relays for the egyptian protestors to use
@floral viper then?
But both versions of the story are incomplete. Individual failures alone didn’t cause the disastrous consequences of the Arab Spring revolutions, just as the individual heroism of Arab Spring protesters wasn’t enough to ensure their success.```oh...
it lead to institutional collapse ...
floral viper
@mild abyss This is part of the reason why I lost faith in internet activism. Activists both in the east and in the west was busy as hell setting up relays and exit nodes for the egyptian protestors to use. And it worked. Videos and images got through the government blockade and out on the internet where journalists picked em up. Did it improve life for the egyptian population in the end though? No it didn't. It only made it worse for em.
wintry eagle
yes but what was the impact to the rest of the worldly population?
mild abyss
so...how can we prevent that to happen again to any country?
floral viper
don't start a revolution lol. They fail 99.9% of the time
France, US, and russia are notable exceptions where special factors weighed heavily.
wintry eagle
yeah but @floral viper what KIND of revolution, right? How do YOU define it?
floral viper
Don't try to overthrow the government by rash action.
mild abyss
how about a country like PH or any third world country with similar problems like ours? what kind of revolution will work for us or can you even suggest a solution? I am open to any opinion you have.
floral viper
Well what country are you in if you are so afraid of a revolution happening?
mild abyss
PH haha cause i am literally dying here
floral viper
Phillipines?
topaz aurora
The last thing we need is a collapse in the middle of a pandemic
mild abyss
yes
topaz aurora
However I have a few concerns once Corona subsides since a lot of people are obviously mad
gentle moss
corona, since it's a panic, has caused a lot of diversion of wealth
floral viper
Not very up to date on the Philippines tbh. It doesn't always surface in the news here so I generally get very little information on what is happening there. I seem to remember your president taking a very active stance against going outside though. Or maybe that was someone else
gentle moss
governments have been tendering contracts without oversight
at least in the UK it looks like the government has just been handing out contracts to their mates
i think it's going to have caused a widening of the wealth gap
as someone with a safe and stable job, i can't imagine what it's like being a member of the service industry
waiter or the likes
floral viper
Just wait until the recession hits in force. There will be a lot of poor jobless people then. Even more than today
mild abyss
Not very up to date on the Philippines tbh. It doesn't always surface in the news here so I generally get very little information on what is happening there. I seem to remember your president taking a very active stance against going outside though. Or maybe that was someone else
@floral viper yeah. okay basically we have an anti terror law, and it was more prioritized than solving the pandemic. and also the govt shutdown the largest media network we have, ABS CBN. Theyre more focused in toppling down the enemy rather than solving a crisis.
The anti terror law is basically say something against the govt and we can imprison you or worse kill you because youre a terrorist
floral viper
Oh right, I seem to remember you have some issues with islamists also, or did I mix that up?
gentle moss
the UK is already in recession atm pucch
topaz aurora
That was a few years back with the Marawi Siege
gentle moss
we've had 2 quarters of negative growth
floral viper
@gentle moss Yeah ik, but it's gonna get worse
gentle moss
gdp is down 20%
yeah, especially when you stack in the brexit thing that kicks in end of this year
mild abyss
That was a few years back with the Marawi Siege
@topaz aurora and they havent even fixed that city lol. my school was very close to marawi
gentle moss
we're proper fucked.
mild abyss
the UK is already in recession atm pucch
@gentle moss basically the world i guess
undone berry
No. The UK is one of the worst hit countries in the world
gentle moss
^
floral viper
I realize I should be reading south east asian news more
gentle moss
we've got one of the highest covid death rates in the world
undone berry
Finland is probably the county that had the best balance of people not dying and maintaining the economy
floral viper
Yeah Finland did good. Us swedes, not so much
mild abyss
that is kinda horrible to hear
gentle moss
you're still doing pretty good though