use unity
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
spiral ridge
twilit hull
no unity suc
spiral ridge
no
twilit hull
yes
spiral ridge
unreal is unreal
spiral ridge
unreal expectations
twilit hull
lol
spiral ridge
use unity
twilit hull
👀
spiral ridge
ok go back to your conversation
twilit hull
lol
celest vine
Best engine was flash player
twilit hull
+1
spiral ridge
sqrt(-1) hate unreal
twilit hull
why is making games so hard
spiral ridge
encrypted message
twilit hull
and money
celest vine
Unreal bad cuz ppl only use it for unreal games
twilit hull
and time
spiral ridge
@twilit hull you agree fortnite is poop
twilit hull
i wanna make a triple A title by me myself and I in a month
celest vine
Unreal really is bad tho, only companies actually use it
rough sapphire
!e
import cmath
print(cmath.sqrt(-1))
royal lakeBOT
@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
1j
i use turtle module
best
ok i see it
but usually it would print i. j is like the i in the math world or something
thats a complex
rough sapphire
Yeah, it's strange, I never realised Python used J
celest vine
Um i is the i in the math world
twilit hull
j is the i in engineering world i heard
spiral ridge
idk what i say ok
celest vine
J is for wierdos
spiral ridge
J is for wierdos
@celest vine for example, jython
celest vine
I use java, plz don’t shame me
twilit hull
it different than everyone else
spiral ridge
then you delete minecraft
rough sapphire
Java is fine
spiral ridge
traitor
rough sapphire
If something should be deleted it is C++
spiral ridge
also c#
rough sapphire
jkjk
celest vine
More like make everyone code in brainfuck
spiral ridge
WE NEED C#
twilit hull
c++ is at least not weird
spiral ridge
UNITY
twilit hull
doesnt foce you making everything into a class
rough sapphire
Have you tried it? @twilit hull
rough sapphire
But why?
celest vine
C++ is basically python but with a lot more unnecessary typing
twilit hull
its fast python with good typing
rough sapphire
As soon as you get into template metaprogramming it quickly does get weird
rough sapphire
Java is way faster than Python
twilit hull
also it weird
i feel like we should go to C++ for speed and python for short development time
so where does java fit
twilit hull
lol tru
rough sapphire
Writing Java takes less time than writing C++
twilit hull
maybe a little i feel like but i havent use any of these in real world projects so its just my noob opinion
celest vine
No one likes c++ syntax, people only use it cuz it’s the only option
twilit hull
also my unfamiliarity with java could be the reason i hate it tbh lol
rough sapphire
Writing C++ to me feels like a minefield where every step you make could be your last one unless you are meticulously careful
celest vine
Which is why I don’t use c++ unless necessary
twilit hull
even my CS prof cant tell me where the bug is other than thats not the convention
then after he changed it to comply with the conventions the bugs just disappeared
celest vine
I kind of think teachers are the worst st their major
twilit hull
i tend to think my CS prof are really good at CS lol
celest vine
Cuz if you were good at it, u would be doing something with it, instead of teaching people stuff that they can learn online
twilit hull
lol teaching is like a side job for profs
they only do it cuz uni assigned lectures for them
celest vine
Everyone except English professors
celest vine
About English?
twilit hull
literature etc maybe
celest vine
Idk, cuz in all my years of life, my English teacher was always the worst at their job
twilit hull
structures of literatures in certain time periods etc maybe
and the reason for those patterns idk
i cant do literature they hard
this is awesome lol
celest vine
False advertising
The fact that they have to advertise about making it easier proves that it isn’t easy
versed saffron
I was surprised when I first read through it
it's got a weird vibe but I kinda like it
rough sapphire
If you are aroused by a child, you are a pedophile.
young shoal
that's out of pocket
wet hedge
Hi
tight meadow
Hola
rough sapphire
There are so many goddamn mosquitos
young shoal
use them for cloud computing
twilit hull
drink pesticide
rich rover
drink cardiac glycosides
guaranteed 100% to give you and your mosquitoes a heart attack
errant wyvern
lol
round rose
stop relying on cardiac glycosides and attack your heart yourself, coward
oak tangle
Hello @rough sapphire, you seem to be making a lot of one off message comments, typically on sensitive comments. Why?
gentle moss
god damn frickin users
"hi can i jump on your machine to take a look at your problem."
watches user close chat session
worn dust
Good 4:21 AM
worn dust
I live in CST time
frank nimbus
GMT+1
worn dust
ah nice
gentle moss
if you're timezoning you should use UTC, yeah
worn dust
i should set xubuntu to UTC
solid pollen
Apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
gentle moss
no.
soft violet
Confusing the scientifically illiterate.
gentle moss
you don't have to be scientifically illiterate to be confused by it
i still can't remember when the fuck it is every year ¬_¬
soft violet
Legislating extra hours of daylight causes the planet to heat up, don't you know?
gentle moss
is that some weird flat earth level idiocy i've never heard about?
soft violet
and for solar panels to suck up the sun
undone berry
I hate dst
soft violet
Wind turbines causing the wind to stop
gentle moss
you should try this new clock i've invented
soft violet
The hands are fixed, aren't they?
gentle moss
it's actually a clock that is entirely based around sunrise / set
it doesn't have times on it, just at what portion of the day you're in relative to sunrise / set
undone berry
I think should just all live on utc. Then instead of work being 9 to 17 everywhere, it's like 20 to 4 instead depending on where in the world you are
soft violet
So...don't go close to the poles.
solid pollen
Depending on where you live, that's pretty dumb haha
soft violet
Global standard time. It's an idea I've liked for a long time.
gentle moss
people have tried a couple of times
it'd be nice in its own way
but until we're a more globalised civilisation i don't think it's really that practical
undone berry
It obviously doesn't work unless everyone does it
Especially when you have india with a 30m offset
Just being awkward because it can
narrow pecan
But think if I said "Ugh, I'm so tired. It's 2 PM already!" That could mean that it's 4 AM your time, which is late, but 2 PM isn't. It'd break the sense of what is late and early
soft violet
Hm.
gentle moss
yeah so rather than using the global time like we currently understand time
we'd have to decouple it from the physical world
narrow pecan
I kind of like how we have it today, even though it comes with its flaws
gentle moss
i can see the advantage of not having to fuck around with timezones
hell, it might even move society to a more 24/7 nature
which i would love
because fucking everything where i live shuts by 11pm
narrow pecan
Imagine asking when people normally eat lunch in your country. I don't care when exactly. Relative to your place is all that matters. I wanna know if it's 6 PM or 10 PM, not if it's 2 hours before I wake up
undone berry
Same here. I'd love to be able to actually operate late at night
gentle moss
they eat lunch at lunch time
narrow pecan
HaahHAh, everything here closes at 3 PM. Well, maybe if we'd all use UTC
they eat lunch at lunch time
@gentle moss Which is...? 10 PM? 4 AM? 2 AM? 6 PM?
gentle moss
no, go read the new ISO standard for global time
lunch time is defined in there
¬_¬
frank nimbus
yep, but social coherence requires temporal coordination of activities
gentle moss
yeah so if i say "lets do this at 1400 ticks" in this new time system
we don't have to dick around with timezones
it'd improve global communications and interactions in a 24/7 society that doesn't exist (yet).
if we managed to create cheap and quick planetary transport systems timezones would definitely need a shake up
a 30 minute commute to NYC from Europe by some kind of magic hyperloop or space plane technology would break the concept of existing in a timezone
narrow pecan
Then, we could just say 14:00 UTC. No need to create a new "ticks"
But I can see where you're coming from. It would be awesome if the UTC time was the standard, but I think there would be quite a few negative effects of it as well
gentle moss
shush, we'd need to rebrand it as some cool so people pick up on it ¬_¬
round rose
UTC++
gentle moss
there has been some shift to fewer time zones at the least
iirc russia removed 2 of theirs in the 10's
but then again they had 11 time zones soooo
round rose
we did some funky stuff with time in the 10s
gentle moss
the other thing we removing all time zones would also be changing the calendar
round rose
at some point we stopped doing daylight savings, then after a while we started doing them again
gentle moss
gregorian calendar wouldn't work that great with no time zones
some people would wake up on monday and go to bed on tuesday
gentle moss
oh hey someone made one
undone berry
That being said. A new calendar with 13 months would be great
undone berry
Abs 28 days in 12 of them
undone berry
That still has the problem of waking up on Monday and going to bed on Tuesday
gentle moss
yeah, hmm.
i like they fact for leap years they've just generated a new week
and called it Xtra
undone berry
Just accept the interday life
gentle moss
Quarters all have the same number of days simplifying financial calculations. This calendar would also have prevented Apple’s Q4 2012 reporting fiasco, where due to the odd number of weeks in a year and to ensure a consistent reporting period, Apple reported quarterly results after the usual thirteen weeks instead of the fourteen the year before due to there being a leap week in the quarter, causing many investors who did not notice the adjustment to think that Apple had been less profitable than forecast.
interesting
here's one
if star trek has star dates
why on earth do they still refer to the year / century as they do?
undone berry
Because there's no reason to break all of the back references to old years. May as well build your new system to be able to work with the old one
gentle moss
i guess
frank nimbus
UTC++
@round rose lol
There is a strong tradition component in standards
Think about qwerty
Or imperial units
They suck, yet here we are
You never leave a tradition because you can. Only because you have to.
frank nimbus
Only because you are used to it
Dvorak is faster
Qwerty exists because of typewriter levers
gentle moss
eh, i've read about that a bunch and it seems to be kinda off....
oh and the qwerty thing is wrong too
it's apparently related to morse code operator input
the reason "is faster" is off is because it entirely depends on what language you're typing in.
apparently dvorak is pretty good if you suffer from RSI though
undone berry
dvorak isn't even the best alternative layout. Qwerty isn't rubbish, it has no major flaws. But what Colemak and Dvorak do is aim to achieve something specific with typing
dvorak aims to let you alternate between left hadn and right hand so there's no downtime between keys, colemak aims to put groups of keys together in ways such that your hands sort of roll from one key to the other
asdf for example
gentle moss
isn't the argument that dvorak is faster because more common letters are:
a) on the home row and,
b) alternate between sides
undone berry
alternating between sides is the main reason
but neither layout is better for anyone who isn't already a poweruser
gentle moss
as someone who has to regularly jump onto other computers i think i'd go fucking mental if i swapped my own PC's to a different layout
undone berry
according to /r/colemak, it's not hard to keep up proficiency with both colemak and qwerty
gentle moss
oh hey colemak keeps zxcv
moving undo, cut, copy and paste seems like one of those things that'd get on my tits
on dvorak it looks like you have to either adapt to use both ctrl keys to perform them one handed
or do them two handed.
undone berry
colemak looks much better than dvorak
gentle moss
it's a less radical change that's for sure
i wonder what happens when you start to factor in short cut keys and the likes to heat maps
round rose
dvorak and colemak don't even have the keys in that order, smh false advertising
round rose
dvorak more like ',.pyf
gentle moss
:D
round rose
"Apostrophe comma full-stop p y f", rolls of the tongue
gentle moss
i remember seeing a post on ESReality's Quake section back in the 00's
some guy downloaded a pro's config and was like
"how does this guy play with z as forward?!"
french player, azerty layout.
:D
round rose
Classic
I remember there being some indie-ish horror game that assumed an azerty layout
gentle moss
that's just grim
round rose
the real horror was getting over the controls, apparently
gentle moss
i've played games that don't let you remap keys to stuff before and just used something like autohotkey to create a key translation
round rose
That's always a pain
gentle moss
i refused to play skyrim because at launch it didn't let you rebind some keys
so when i switched it to ESDF the F key kept bringing up the radial menu
it's not just like a little thing either imo. games should allow full key rebinding for accessibility reasons
round rose
Yeah, true
I remember messing around with the keyboard lib to make "pages" of binds that I could quickly switch
gentle moss
that's pretty cool
i've done that for games before. created configs so i could have multiple pages of binds on numpad.
round rose
I was into soundboards at that time and just didn't have enough key combinations to have all the necessary binds at hand, so I would group them into pages and categories, was pretty fun
"necessary" is probably a strong word though, lol
gentle moss
:D
sonic river
@rough sapphire you don't, but the nim compiler calls another compiler (gcc, clang, etc) to generate the machine code
rough sapphire
hmm, so why dont they say that they compile to assembly instead of C ?
sonic river
because the nim compiler generates C, not assembly
then it lets another compiler generate the machine code
rough sapphire
I see, thank you
rough sapphire
im leaving this shit
plucky ridge
O...kay?
Why the aggression?
Oh huh yeah they straight up left
Fair enough to them, I guess
cold current
Very to the point
scenic blaze
succinct
cold current
Truly.
solid pollen
I appreciate the fact they used a free ot channel to say that
young shoal
quite poetic
hot brook
i have a wireless bluetooth headphones, when i use it on Bluetooth, the mic works but when i use the aux cable to connect to my laptop or phone the mic doesnt work because the cable is 3 pinned. Can i use an AUX cable with 4 pins to send mic input as well?
cold current
Yes, if you wire the mic in
plucky ridge
I would assume so yeah
cold current
Done it before, pretty simple
sand goblet
I hear the director behind Cuties has deleted their twitter account
It really feels like Netflix might have used an extremely unrepresentative poster to try to ignite some kind of culture war
to make people talk about it
but they really threw the crew under the bus here
plucky ridge
"Cuties"?
gentle moss
don't go down the rabbit hole
lofty dirge
gentle moss
don't do it
lofty dirge
and stop there
gentle moss
it's a fucking tyre fire
sand goblet
hardly
plucky ridge
Yeah you lost me at "coming-of-age"
lofty dirge
I see it as culture clash
plucky ridge
Been there, did that, I don't need to relive that stuff
sand goblet
It's a movie from France about addressing the issues with how pre-teens approach themselves and their image/are approached online
solid pollen
Oh that's French
lofty dirge
French are willing to discuss this topic in movie form then Netflix decided to throw some marketing and all hell broke lose in US
solid pollen
We are... Unh, questionable when it comes to movie about sensitive subjects
gentle moss
netflix decided to market it with some pretty inappropriate material
sand goblet
yeah, netflix made an insanely inappropriate poster for it
lofty dirge
large part of it is marketing and small part of it is US just isn't comfortable having discussion about this
plucky ridge
I'm going to have to find it now aren't I
gentle moss
well we're not posting it here
lofty dirge
Hemlock, it's easy
gentle moss
oh yes don't do that
lofty dirge
***Eleven-year-old*** immigrant girl Amy, originally hailing from Senegal, lives with her mother Mariam (Maïmouna Gueye) in one of Paris's poorest neighbourhoods in an apartment along with her two younger brothers awaiting for her father to rejoin the family from Senegal. Things turn swiftly as Amy is fascinated by her disobedient neighbour Angelica's twerking clique called Cuties, an adult-style dance troupe which has contrasting fortunes and characteristics to Mariam's traditional customs, values and traditions.
see *, yea, think about how wrong poster and shit can go south quickly
gentle moss
i have a problem with "twerking clique" as a phrase
sand goblet
small part of it is US just isn't comfortable having discussion about this
this comment is surprisingly poingnant by the way
is that how you spell that?
gentle moss
yes
sand goblet
poignant
lofty dirge
I don't think so, but I know what you mean
plucky ridge
In fairness, how the crap can you make a poster for something like that tasteful?
sand goblet
I mean, see the image used by wikipedia
plucky ridge
Ants for ponies?
gentle moss
ponyants?
plucky ridge
Or ponies for ants
sand goblet
either way though, it's kind of sad that this is what it took to get people talking about this issue
solid pollen
Poignant is the correct French word, I'm guessing it is the same
gentle moss
it is the same, i just thought there was an n there
plucky ridge
@sand goblet Honestly, as soon as you said "Cuties" I thought it had something to do with MLP and "cutie marks" or something
sand goblet
haha
gentle moss
hah
sand goblet
fair
lofty dirge
gdude, most people are not talking about it, just raging
plucky ridge
As is the way of media
sand goblet
some people are talking about it
hot brook
Or is it hardwired into the headset
@plucky ridge its just the cable
sand goblet
it's certainly an issue that's getting more attention because of this
hot brook
i have to connect it the provided aux port in the headphones
solid pollen
Gosh I apparently didn't found the right picture last time.. Unh.. Yeah, just no.
gentle moss
there are some things i'd want to say but they're not appropriate for here
plucky ridge
Then in theory you should be able to get a 4 pin cable and it'll just work
gentle moss
like, for example, saying what the issue actually is
sand goblet
I mean, I don't think it's that inappropriate to mention what the issue is
plucky ridge
I mean they're cheap enough that you wouldn't be out much if it didn't
sand goblet
you just can't go in detail
lofty dirge
bisk, I think I know where you are going and this just isn't the server for it
hot brook
Then in theory you should be able to get a 4 pin cable and it'll just work
@plucky ridge i thought so too, but does the headphone aux port support 4 pin output
gentle moss
i agree rabbit
plucky ridge
Which headphones are they? Might be able to double check online
You have me curious now
hot brook
fire boltt blast 1400
sand goblet
the problem isn't that the point being made is inappropriate for the server
solid pollen
Some people shouldn't see that sort of pictures
sand goblet
the problem is that you two are understandably not comfortable thinking about it
undone berry
I don't see how you can discuss this movie at all without saying what the issue is - either it shouldn't be discussed, or it should be relatively alright to say
sand goblet
it's already been discussed on this server
so I'd say we're probably OK
to be clear though, "I don't wanna talk about it so I won't" is one of the main issues the movie is addressing
undone berry
eh - IMO i'd leave it off of this server, but if it's OK, then I think there's not point beating around the bush
gentle moss
yeah but it's not for this server
lofty dirge
gdude, it's more, it's large server with various view points because how international this server and I don't think we could do topic justice in meaningful way, not to mention, I'm not best one to talk about it since I'm older and don't have kids
sand goblet
you don't have to be a chef to know that a meal sucks
gentle moss
til that making babies is cooking
lofty dirge
I'll also point out that US still have Child beauty pageants so we just screwy in general 😛
sand goblet
yeah, the rest of the world (more or less) looks down on the US for that
gentle moss
totally
hot brook
@plucky ridge if u get to know something ping me
lofty dirge
that's all you look down on us for? Shit, we are doing well today
lofty dirge
have we not delivered democracy to anyone today?
sand goblet
also, true, japan does also have similar issues
gentle moss
the list was already huge
plucky ridge
@hot brook Will do. Currently thumbing through some amazon reviews to double check, not seeing anything yet
lofty dirge
it's still morning on West Coast
gentle moss
your stack has broken the 20 lines limit to be honest
and i'd be a surprise if you could clear that
undone berry
tbf, the US has very little going for it in terms of ideals
hot brook
@hot brook Will do. Currently thumbing through some amazon reviews to double check, not seeing anything yet
@plucky ridge okay, thanks.
undone berry
it seems like a good country to live in
solid pollen
You deliver mainly covid to other countries nowadays haha
undone berry
but it's not got any of the things that make a country great other than high wages low taxes
sand goblet
it definitely doesn't seem like a good country to live in
gentle moss
the only reason i'd live in the US is to live in the middle of fucking nowhere
sand goblet
it's not even a good country to be a citizen of
honest star
I saw a video of the geography song thing, but only the countries you were allowed to travel to from the US were actually said... It was a lot of just music and not words
lofty dirge
except if I offered 5 US visas on this server, I'd get 2000 PMs
undone berry
it seems like a good country for me to live in - because I'm in an industry with very good salaries
sand goblet
if you move away and work in another country, you still have to pay american income tax to the US government
which is bonkers
gentle moss
double taxation seems like it should be illegal
sand goblet
a lot of things in the US sound like they should be illegal
gentle moss
¬_¬
honest star
I mean, I (an my parents) are immigrants. It is REALLY nice to live in a house that doesn't require 12 ft+ walls with barbed wire and a security system.
lofty dirge
gdude, it's too prevent US companies from moving CEO overseas and being like "IT'S NOT US INCOME, HERR DERR"
lofty dirge
and you don't have to pay income up to certain amount, I think it's 107k USD
sand goblet
I like how you tried to rationalize essentially stealing people's wages haha
gentle moss
yeah but you don't have to be employed by a US company to be taxed overseas, do you?
sand goblet
nope
gentle moss
you just have to be a US citizen working abroad
lofty dirge
US Income tax applies to all US citizens regardless where income origin is and where they live
gentle moss
strange as fuck.
plucky ridge
@hot brook Mkay, all the ones that I've found only seem to mention the aux cable in passing, but those that do mention using it say it seems to just be for audio rather than mic. You might try and email the manufacturer, ask them if it would work. All the stuff I'm seeing really doesn't clarify one way or the other
hot brook
ah yes
lofty dirge
again, it's measure to prevent companies from moving operations overseas and paying executive big bucks in low tax countries
hot brook
thanks for your effort
plucky ridge
No problem! Sorry I couldn't find anything conclusive
sand goblet
I don't buy that reasoning
undone berry
if you move away and work in another country, you still have to pay american income tax to the US government
You get a 105k usd exemption
so
sand goblet
it could be much narrower than it is
undone berry
not really that bad IMO
sand goblet
if I'm making 105k USD then I damn well want to keep what I earned
hot brook
No problem! Sorry I couldn't find anything conclusive
@plucky ridge u at least gave me the idea to contact the manufacture.. i wouldve never gotten that idea lol
undone berry
people should complain less about taxes
gentle moss
i mean the problem, as i see it, is double taxation
undone berry
is that that a downvote or a disagreement?
gentle moss
you're getting taxed by your previous nation of residence AND the one you've decided to live in
lofty dirge
bisk, it's also dual citizenship
undone berry
oh
lofty dirge
you can give up your US citizenship
sand goblet
you can, but they make it extremely difficult
gentle moss
yeah but you can't easily get citizenship of another nation
undone berry
if you're earning out the 105k usd exemption - i really don't care
gentle moss
it's fucking weird
undone berry
just pay it or relinquish
gentle moss
i just think it's weird is all
lofty dirge
and you get to deduct the foreign taxes off your income tax I believe
gentle moss
oooh, that's not so bad
sand goblet
you have to sign 3 forms in the presence of a consular officer, take an oath, and pay around 2.5k usd iirc
lofty dirge
it's basically non starter for any normal wage earners
and anyone making above that overseas can get fucked for all I care, it's not that bad of burden
undone berry
yeah, 105kusd exemption means you're only paying US taxes if you're in the top 5% of UK earners
gentle moss
i mean if it was non-deductable, i could see the gripe
undone berry
which again - I don't care. You can justify it by saying that's the cost of having a US passport - which is objectively a very powerful passport
gentle moss
not like US taxes actually go to anything decent
unlike if you were paying them in denmark
¬_¬
undone berry
oh wait
sand goblet
it's not that powerful compared to an EU one
honest star
It really is. Traveling before a US passport was a nightmare of last minute visa requirements
undone berry
no it's not that powerful
gentle moss
yeah, look at all them EU countries at the top
honest star
Alright you EU people >_>
gentle moss
because, you know, the EU is great.
sand goblet
yeah, figured it'd be EU
gentle moss
and fuck sake fuck wank i'm so mad about losing my EU passport
sand goblet
which actually I don't have, but will someday
gentle moss
i'll have to fucking get mine re-issued next year
for some shit black crap one
wankers.
sand goblet
I need to somehow save up 1k eur to get an irish citizenship
sand goblet
since I am otherwise entitled to one
undone berry
The difference is how easy it is to get visas for countries
gentle moss
EU states have the right to travel, work and reside in any other EU country
lofty dirge
sure, but it's showing all US COVID 19 bans which while legitimate, isn't overall story
plucky ridge
@undone berry But does it show how easy it is to get a MasterCard from them?
gentle moss
that's 27 (26 soon) nations you can live or move to
shit, just being able to walk across borders is dope as fuck
lofty dirge
congrats EU citizens, you now to get live/work in an area with about as much cultural diversity and size of United States!
undone berry
why is SSL for wayback machine failing?
sand goblet
that sounds like something someone that's never been to europe would say
gentle moss
the EU is far more culturally diverse than the US o_O
undone berry
the EU has vastly more cultural diversity than the US, it's pretty crazy to suggest otherwise
sand goblet
yeah that notion is just nonsense
lofty dirge
US has different cultural diversity, it's probably just hard to see it when it's AMERICA FUCK YEA to foreigner
plucky ridge
Are we discrediting the Native American culture and history?
Because that's also pretty damn old
gentle moss
i mean when i went to new york that was pretty dope
undone berry
not saying it doesn't have cultural diversity, just that the EU has more
gentle moss
that was quite the surprise about how many cultures there were in one tiny chunk
sand goblet
the issue with people further west than europe is that most people just see everyone in europe as "white"
gentle moss
but i don't think that applies across the whole country, does it?
sand goblet
whereas there's a rather diverse set of races and cultures
honest star
There are very much distinct regions of the US that have very different cultures, even within states it can be quite different.
plucky ridge
@gentle moss It doesn't, no. Usually it's the major cities that have that kind of diversity
honest star
Hell, Manhattan, NY is VERY different from Queens, NY
plucky ridge
Or international hubs
lofty dirge
even then, South is different from North and West
gentle moss
i would like to go to the south and see some of their hospitality
they're apparently very nice
sand goblet
pretty much every country in europe is significantly different from the others in some way
lofty dirge
and let's not even talk about fly over states Hemlock 
plucky ridge
They are to your face so long as you don't cross the boundaries
undone berry
even back before the sickness, the US passport wasn't that powerful. More so than now, but still less than a lot of EU ones https://www.henleypassportindex.com/global-ranking
honest star
The South is also where "bless your heart" is a grave insult
lofty dirge
Charlie, I know
plucky ridge
@honest star Not an insult as much as it is an "oh you poor thing"
gentle moss
i said it in NYC and got looks
lofty dirge
c word?
undone berry
sure - I didn't know, I was mostly checking for myself and figured I may as well post here as well
gentle moss
thanks charlie
lofty dirge
oh, yea, no
plucky ridge
Thanks for the ping
honest star
hi mod team
lofty dirge
no where in US is that acceptable you bloody wanker 😛
gentle moss
awww
plucky ridge
With this shit again
sand goblet
I appreciate that most americans I know pronounce "twat" as "twart"
undone berry
are there any words in the UK that are as unacceptable as the c-word is in the US?
sand goblet
it's almost endearing
gentle moss
"twot"
undone berry
maybe chips-with-gravy is here in the south
gentle moss
i couldn't live in a country that isn't as evolved on swearing as the UK
plucky ridge
@gentle moss Whatever you say, you fnagledoof
undone berry
AUS, UK both like it a lot
honest star
I saw Daniel Sloss's stand up in January, he was testing out new material in a preview. He had a whole bit on UK swearing and it had me in stitches
gentle moss
gunthorpe yourself hemlock
undone berry
that's two massive English as a first language countries
plucky ridge
-gasp-
sand goblet
people say it here too but they'll get dirty looks
undone berry
I don't think India has near as much of a stigma around it
gentle moss
NZ also aren't bothered by the word
notice they're all ex-colonies
and still commonwealth
undone berry
I'd say over here it's slightly worse than any other normal swear word
lofty dirge
I'm just saying, US is pretty cultural diverse and huge, EU is about as big now
gentle moss
it's probably the fact the US was founded by puritains
they haven't got over religion and piousness yet
undone berry
what are puritains? puritans who lived exclusively on grains?
plucky ridge
I'd argue it's culturally diverse in specific areas. The coasts, international hubs, and pockets of the south
sand goblet
the US definitely has a lot of cultural diversity, but I don't think one could say it has more than europe
gentle moss
buckleheads
honest star
Puritans are super religious, modest, "brimstone and fire" type of people
sand goblet
europe is pretty famous for being a cultural melting-pot
undone berry
London has a ton of diversity - so do most of the capitals in Europe
gentle moss
the fact people can just walk to other parts of it helps
undone berry
plus you have a higher count of different countries
gentle moss
or a short boat ride
lofty dirge
Puritans are not why certain words are different
gentle moss
from africa and asia
lofty dirge
after we got all rowdy, for 50-100 years, there was pretty big "Don't be an Englishman"
sand goblet
even just when you're talking about language we have a huge amount of diversity compared to the US
lofty dirge
UK-US relationship is product of 20th century, before that, we had tendency to not get along
gentle moss
thanks for the cash and carry btw
sand goblet
language barriers are going to naturally be cultural barriers too
lofty dirge
where is rest of commonwealth nations just kind of drifted away from UK so there never was that hostility
plucky ridge
@gentle moss I mean there was a lot of various racisms over the years. The US is pretty good at that
sand goblet
true, that is one thing the US is good at
plucky ridge
Exactly
gentle moss
to be fair we did it with the polish
and then the bulgarians
and then the romanians
plucky ridge
Normans did it to you guys
gentle moss
sorta, but yeah
sand goblet
there are a lot of white racial groups
undone berry
people really don't like otherness
sand goblet
it's kind of harmful to lump them all together
plucky ridge
You had me at lump
sand goblet
are you calling me a lump
gentle moss
lump sat alone in a boggy marsh
sand goblet
because you're right
gentle moss
her name is forestt she casually remarked
plucky ridge
Bisk knows what's up
gentle moss
wait a second
plucky ridge
Lump lingered last in line for brains and the one she got were sorta rotten and insane
lofty dirge
totally motionless
plucky ridge
Except for her heart, of course
lofty dirge
She's in my head 🎸
plucky ridge
Such a good song
lofty dirge
I told Google to play it
lofty dirge
Weird al ruined Ridin
plucky ridge
I can't take "Who's Bad" seriously
lofty dirge
SO WHITE AND NERDY
gentle moss
i have a 90's compilation cd in my car
lofty dirge
White and Nerdy and Party at the CIA are two I always hear
plucky ridge
Improved is the word you're looking for
gentle moss
and it comes on and i can't stop singing the wrong lyrics
a local boy kicked me in the butt last week, but i just smiled at him and i turned the other cheek
what an artist
plucky ridge
I just love how he gets progressively sweatier in that song
lofty dirge
apparently google decided the next song after Lump was Guerrilla radio
round rose
The albukerque (or however you spell it) song and "if that isn't love" are pretty good as well
gentle moss
lights out huh?
plucky ridge
@lofty dirge HELL yes
lofty dirge
Watching Tom Morello on Twitter with everything going on has been awesome
plucky ridge
Also, for the longest time (first time I read it was on Tony Hawk's Pro Skater and never looked up the title), I thought it was "criminal radio"
gentle moss
oh man
plucky ridge
Dude Tom is an absolute blessing
gentle moss
some of the tweets he's responded to are great
"i really wish rage would stay out of politics"
plucky ridge
Him and David Grohl both
gentle moss
"i have a degree in politics."
lofty dirge
that's was hilarious
lofty dirge
"I wish would Rage Against the Machine would stop having songs about politics"
scenic blaze
What did they think rage against the machine was about? The dishwasher?
lofty dirge
"Please let me know which ones don't have politics, so I can remove them"
plucky ridge
"You don't have to have a master's degree in political science to have an opinion on the internet. But since I DO have a master's degree in political science...."
gentle moss
eh, people don't often listen to the lyrics of stuff chaos
undone berry
I feel like US politics on Twitter is just the lowest hanging fruit going
gentle moss
and rage is pretty specific about stuff
so you'd have to maybe go research it
that's why the RATM website has a fucking recommended reading list
plucky ridge
HA
honest star
I feel like entirely too many people that "love" RATM have never actually listened to RATM
scenic blaze
"Please let me know which ones don't have politics, so I can remove them"
@lofty dirge 😄
plucky ridge
I'm just really not in love with Zack de la Rocha's vocals
The songs are killer but he's just so whiny
honest star
They've only listened to Killing in the name of and called it a day and say they love the band.
plucky ridge
Which is a good song, in fairness
HAH. The name of the artist I'm currently listening to. "nervous_testpilot"
hallow oriole
plucky ridge
Like..
undone berry
either you're responding to something from ages ago
plucky ridge
The keyboard layout or the user
undone berry
or you should take it to another OT channel
scenic blaze
It was from ages ago
gentle moss
it was from ages ago
scenic blaze
There was debate about which keyboard layout was the best
gentle moss
yeah, me and charlie were involved
undone berry
not really a debate, more a discussion
gentle moss
that's a hell of a scroll up
scenic blaze
discussion, then
plucky ridge
I wonder if there's one that's more aimed at ergonomics
undone berry
@plucky ridge colemak and dvorak both have different ergonomic benefits
gentle moss
they apparently reduce rates of RSI
undone berry
dvorak means you alternate between which hand you use
undone berry
colemak means your ringers roll neatly across groups of keys - e.g as they already do in stuff like oup
plucky ridge
Huh.
Honestly, if I didn't spend so much time on other people's computers I'd honestly consider swapping to something like that
IT kind of makes that a difficult transition
undone berry
colemak has a subreddit if you're interested. According to them, it's not that hard to maintain competence with qwerty and colemak
but
I tried learning colemak
and found it incredibly frustrating
lofty dirge
Yea, and whole laptop thing
scenic blaze
yeah...
undone berry
how is a laptop a problem?
scenic blaze
That would be the dealbreaker for me
Most places will not custom make a laptop keyboard for colemak or whatever
undone berry
the physical keycaps don't really matter at all
once you learn it, you're never looking down
lofty dirge
because few laptops allow for alternate keyboards
undone berry
and if you're learning properly
you don't need to look down
all the ones I've seen do
lofty dirge
I occasionally look down when I'm thinking
undone berry
you just download colemak as a language for the keyboard
@lofty dirge do you type with 8 fingers and a thumb?
lofty dirge
Yes, I do touch typing
undone berry
that wasn't the question
lofty dirge
yes
undone berry
BIsk touch types, but doesn't use 8
touch typing = typing without looking at the keyboard, that's very general
sand goblet
I use both of my hands entirely
plucky ridge
Home row
undone berry
yeah, there's a proper way to type, using 8 fingers and it's pretty defined what fingers hit what letter
I type properly - but only because I forced myself to
lofty dirge
I'm just saying, I do look at my keyboard and visualize the letters sometimes
it's weird thing when I'm stuck with code
undone berry
My hands are pretty much stationary unless I'm hitting an f key, or one of the keys in the home/end/del bank
I find it harder to type if I'm looking at my hands or keyboard
plucky ridge
I mean... you know, I guess I'm used to different videogame controller layouts....
I might futz around with it
sonic river
if availability is a concern, dvorak is available on every major systems
without any download
sonic river
i learned to touch type entirely when i moved from azerty to dvorak
undone berry
I really don't get why you'd care about the physical keys. Even if you're just looking down to think, do the exact positions matter?
sonic river
wasn't that bad tbh, when you have to relearn everything
plucky ridge
Actually... I'm reading the FAQ on their site and it says the following:
Don't relabel or rearrange the keyboard keys. This will slow down learning as you'll be tempted to look at the keyboard instead of the monitor. While you're touch typing many keys will be hidden by your fingers, so you'll have to lift them every time to see the letter below. It will also make it more difficult to adapt to working on other people's computer, whether typing in QWERTY or Colemak. I don't recommend physically moving the key caps because it will move the bumps on the keys below the index finger ("F" and "J" keys on QWERTY). If choose to do it anyway, I recommend that you tape the labels on the keys and don't replace them when the labels start falling off.
@sonic river I made the mistake of learning touch typing on qwerty - then deciding to switch after the fact
sonic river
the main reason not to move to another layout is that using someone else's computer will be painful
plucky ridge
I have a cowoker that has her mouse set up as a lefty
undone berry
it should be fairly easy to maintain proficiency with both layouts
plucky ridge
It breaks me every time I use her computer
sonic river
i went from 90 wpm to about 40 in azerty/qwerty
it's barely usable tbh
and i have to look
plucky ridge
I'm curious enough to give it a go
sonic river
unless you regularly switch between the 2 layouts, it's gonna be hard to keep your old speed
plucky ridge
It recommends only 10 min a day to start out with for the first couple months
undone berry
that sounds terrible
sonic river
ehh, that's questionable imo
undone berry
I'd much rather just make the switch
sonic river
i went full immersion and changed every devices i owned and i was comfortable in about 1-2 weeks
undone berry
I remember reading this back when I tried
plucky ridge
@sonic river Sure but at the cost of your speed on both. I think the reason it says all this is so that you can adapt slowly without compromising either
undone berry
To maintain your QWERTY skills type during the first 5-10 minutes of every day in QWERTY.
it says 5-10 of qwerty, rest colemak
that makes sense to me
sonic river
ah
undone berry
oh yeah
sonic river
it's gonna take years to be comfortable if you only use it for 10 minutes a day
plucky ridge
I'm okay with that
sonic river
i have a friend that's been using colemak "only" at home for about 2 years, and he's still not comfortable with it
plucky ridge
I just want to see if I can do it
I've already gotten used to weird keyboards, so I know I can learn multiple layouts
sonic river
weird keyboard as in layout or physical position of the keys
plucky ridge
Physical
sonic river
because they are very different problems
sand goblet
isn't that the same thing?
undone berry
@plucky ridge I'm willing to bet that you'd be able to do it fairly easily. Learn colemak and maintain qwerty that is
sonic river
there wasn't any learning curve in moving to an ergonomic keyboard for me
plucky ridge
As in like the enter, backspace, and shift keys are in the center, the question mark and backslash are next to Q
There is with this guy
Not huge, but you feel it for sure, especially with the whole backspace in the center
sonic river
ah i see
plucky ridge
Yeah I'm not meaning like the Microsoft Curve ergonomic ones
Where it's the same entirely just wavey
sonic river
some are a bit harder, especially ortholinear layouts, but it's definitely still much easier than changing the layout
plucky ridge
This is the one I'll be swapping to when it finally gets shipped. I have an older model with a similar design,
young shoal
mechanical?
young shoal
what switches do you have lol
plucky ridge
The current one has Browns, the new one will have Blues
young shoal
at home?
plucky ridge
Work
young shoal
bruh
plucky ridge
The coworkers that share my space don't care. Genuinely
young shoal
that's nice
plucky ridge
I have blue USB 10key and explained to them what it would be like
young shoal
oh nice
plucky ridge
And they were like "Yeah no that actually doesn't bother me"
undone berry
I thought you already bought the new one quite a while ago?
plucky ridge
Pre-ordered
undone berry
ah
plucky ridge
There's been issues with manufacturing due to COVID
Although it looks like Linus of techtips fame got a review one
undone berry
what does linus of techtips fame say about the review one?
undone berry
that channel is so fucking weird
sand goblet
I wonder if they make low profile keyboards for typists like this one
I need high keys but my partner needs super duper low profile
young shoal
yeah there are low profile switches you can get
sonic river
why "need" out of curiosity ?
plucky ridge
sand goblet
Because otherwise pain
sonic river
i see
young shoal
hm?
scenic blaze
I bought a friend a new keyboard once because we talked all the time and her keys were loud af
plucky ridge
One of the most trusted technology review channels on YouTube with over 11 million subscribers, LinusTechTips, recently put out an awesome video featuring a “robot” Linus performing a tech review using the latest in Deepfake technology. It’s incredible to watch the video and witness the cutting edge of what can be achieved using Deepfake, and it was only natural that they chose another cutting edge piece of technology as the subject of the review – the Truly Ergonomic CLEAVE Keyboard!
The fuck?
I'm so confused
young shoal
huh
scenic blaze
Yeah, I thought deepfake was just a moronic RWer term
plucky ridge
I... guess?
plucky ridge
I don't know what's real anymore, I mean it's on their site?
undone berry
according to ShortCircuit
plucky ridge
And I would figure they'd get sued if this wasn't a legit review?
scenic blaze
"The _________ is a deepfake from the deepstate"
sand goblet
Deepfakes are a real thing, yeah
sand goblet
Don't you remember the whole controversy with that tool that deepfaked people's nudes?
plucky ridge
I just need to know if I can trust the review, I guess
Also odd that he called the company "new" considering they've been around for almost a decade
sonic river
xah lee said the keyboard good
sand goblet
If it's LTT then I wouldn't trust it either way, the guy never has a bad thing to say
sonic river
so the keyboard probably good tbh
plucky ridge
Fair enough
plucky ridge
And I mean I know they make quality products, considering I typing on one right now
undone berry
I can't find anything trustworthy that says this is official
sonic river
scenic blaze
What are switches?
plucky ridge
So in normal keyboards, you have rubber capacitor switches called membranes
When you press a key, the dissipate the charge and send a signal that the key is pressed.
young shoal
plucky ridge
Mechanical switches are an actual metal to metal connection
Hold on, let me see if I can find the ones with the animations
They're really cool to look at
young shoal
ye
sonic river
young shoal
very nice
sand goblet
A switch is an old woman that lives in the woods, making spells in a cauldron
scenic blaze
Do you like clicky?
plucky ridge
I personally do, yeah
But I currently just have the browns that are tactile but without the click
But the new keyboard will have Blues, which are tactile with clicky
sand goblet
I use blues
plucky ridge
So I'm pretty stoked
sand goblet
They're deafening and I love them but I'll have to switch to something quiet eventually
young shoal
plucky ridge
No
sonic river
go away
young shoal
nah
sand goblet
Are browns quiet or?
sonic river
they're quieter than blues
plucky ridge
I mean there's no click mechanism
sand goblet
I want the bump but also quiet
sonic river
i wouldn't call them "quiet" at all tho
plucky ridge
But I tend to bottom out sooooo
I mean you can get little rubber buffers to reduce the noise I think
sonic river
i find it impossible not to bottom out with tactile switches
young shoal
when i have to go to school i want to get a nice keyboard with linear switches
sand goblet
Yeah, o-rings
plucky ridge
I mean
We're here as well
Already making friends and chatting
You can join us in our discussion about keyboard switches
sand goblet
I think brown with o-rings I guess
plucky ridge
Then away with you
sand goblet
My partner is very noise-sensitive so
plucky ridge
Aki is?
sand goblet
Yeah
scenic blaze
I've been working so hard that I feel like I should be working hard atm but I'm 2.5 hours ahead of schedule
sonic river
you can also look into non cherry mx switches
cold current
Someone talking about switches? I'm here for it 😄
sand goblet
I won't be able to keep blues haha
cold current
Speeds, all the way
sand goblet
That's okay though
cold current
Tried pretty much every type of MX, speeds are the best for me
sonic river
ugh i hate speeds
cold current
Why's that?
plucky ridge
I love the description on the Buckling Spring ones. Clicky: Yes, Loud
young shoal
there are switches that cost like 12 dollars each lol
cold current
You know people use model Ms right?
sonic river
you can't move the keyboard without having them input the entire work of shakespeare
sand goblet
It'd be cheaper to replace than do it up
young shoal
lgneous what does that even mean
sand goblet
Sensitive
cold current
Sensible? Lol
plucky ridge
Those are keys with a like really low actuation force, right?
sonic river
sensitive yes
cold current
Yep
sonic river
and very low travel
cold current
I mean, if you actuate them fully you can sink a tonnn of power into them
plucky ridge
Yeah I couldn't live like that
cold current
They really don't have low travel
sonic river
speed silvers do
plucky ridge
My hands shake too much and I'm sure I'd get lots of unintended letters
young shoal
sigh i thought changing the font would make it run faster...
cold current
Ah, I use clears
cold current
Wait, are they not? I have heard so many people call them speeds
I don't know if it's in the official name, never checked
plucky ridge
Clears are slightly heavier browns
floral viper
You know people use model Ms right?
@cold current model M user here. Wouldnt trade that thing for anything.
sonic river
woah
floral viper
Mine turns 31 years old in april
plucky ridge
I'm impressed with those, especially since they are also technically a membrane type
floral viper
There is even an ink signature from the guy at the factory that checked it underneath it.
cold current
Better be taking good care of it
young shoal
they have buckling springs right?