ot1-perplexing-regexing

[mortal fox]

Why would you do that? Legit curious

[viral marsh]

i guess you might do it if you want something that "looked like" a function from the outside but still could contain state? so for example you want to cache prior results, or you want to make the behavior of the "function" depend on some value you pass in when you construct it

[remote socket]

@young shoal nah you're good

[rough sapphire]

the mods are good at spotting the source of a problem @young shoal

[gritty zinc]

I love the fact that you can do stuff in Rust the Python way with a bit of effort.

I'm not sure the people at the Rust server liked my one-liners, though.

    let (from,to):(usize,usize) = (0..n+1).zip(k..n+1).fold((0,k),|(state_i,state_j),(i,j)| {if accum[j]-accum[i] > accum[state_j]-accum[state_i] {(i,j)} else {(state_i,state_j)}});

[young shoal]

b r u h

[mortal fox]

That looks illegal

Also, thanks for the answer, vt

[remote socket]

I've had to deal with the user multiple times. I'm tired of them.

[scenic blaze]

Relevant topic name

[rough sapphire]

Hi guys

[young shoal]

oh i didn't even notice chaos, that's p funny

[scenic blaze]

Do I want to spend $100 to double the total hard drive space on my computer as well as more than double the write speed of my drive?

[young shoal]

if you have to ask probably not

on the other hand, it depends what you're doubling from

[tame terrace]

are you using all your current space?

[scenic blaze]

half a TB to a full TB

[mortal fox]

I went from 1TB to 2TB for my second hard drive, recently

[tame terrace]

half a TB isn't much

[scenic blaze]

Yeah, I run into it quite a bit but then I just have to delete some games. The part I'm more interested in tbh is the write speed

[mortal fox]

But I work with video games so I use up a lot of space

[young shoal]

for write speed probably get an SSD

[tame terrace]

I have like 6TB and I still run out

[mortal fox]

Data hoarder?

[scenic blaze]

I have an SSD, but I'm tempted to buy a better one

[tame terrace]

video editing :(

[mortal fox]

I have a 1TB NVMe SSD. Love that thing

[scenic blaze]

I also have to decide if I want to go from 8 GB of RAM to 24 or 32 and I think I do

[mortal fox]

RAM "kits" play nice together, go for 32

[scenic blaze]

Oh no, I accidentally clicked "Buy" on both. Oh well!

Nothing I can do about it now 🙂

[mortal fox]

It was fate

[scenic blaze]

The only thing left is if I install it myself or get someone else to install it for me.

[mortal fox]

Do it yourself, it's just big legos

[young shoal]

i have a tb hard drive and a 500ish gb ssd

for me it's perfectly fine but all i do is play video games and go to school so

[scenic blaze]

Hybrid, nice

It would be nice to dodge the liability in case something goes wrong. I'm more comfortable installing the RAM than I am the drive.

Don't I have to transfer all the data over?

Sounds tedious

[mortal fox]

If something goes wrong it'll be because you drop it on acid or something

[young shoal]

"oh no" seems like avoiding guilt

[mortal fox]

You can just clone the drive

[scenic blaze]

It's easier to justify my purchases since I also use laptop for work

[mortal fox]

Yeah, I can see that

I use my PC for work and I didn't need to justify my upgrades :p

[scenic blaze]

heh

[mortal fox]

I'm a bit of a hardware enthusiast. A bit of an expensive hobby, but what you gonna do

[young shoal]

get a less expensive hobby lol

do you have a nice mechanical keyboard too?

[mortal fox]

get a less expensive hobby lol

No

I do have a mechanical keyboard, but it's not one of the super expensive ones

I might replace it, soon

🤔

[young shoal]

mine would probably be considered "expensive" but there are like keyboard switches that go for 10 dollars per switch

[mortal fox]

What's the keyboard?

[young shoal]

corsair k70 with cherry mx blues

[mortal fox]

Nice

[young shoal]

i've recently watched many keyboard videos on youtube and now all my recommended videos are about keybaords

[mortal fox]

I have a Hyperx Alloy FPS something. Cherry MX blue as well

[young shoal]

wild

[mortal fox]

Ngl, I love those clicky sounds. Everyone else be damned

[scenic blaze]

https://youtu.be/uHt01D6rOLI?t=77

Relevant video to current conversation

at relevant timestamp

[mortal fox]

The way he says "nice" lmao

Joma tech sucks, btw

[scenic blaze]

He has two videos that I really like. That one and the "If programming was an anime"

[mortal fox]

He doxxed and bullied another smaller YTer because he criticised some product he makes with Tech Lead (whom also sucks)

[scenic blaze]

That's pretty lame 😦

[sonic river]

did i miss a keyboard discussion

[young shoal]

not really

[topaz aurora]

@mortal fox Pretty sure it was Matt Tran, not Joma Tech

Though I believe Tren Black, the one they doxxed also made a video on Joma

[mortal fox]

Oh, right. That might be it

But I think Joma Tech is partnered with Tech Lead, or something like that

[topaz aurora]

Yeah they're affiliated

[scenic blaze]

Did Tech Lead do the doxing, too?

[mortal fox]

Matt Tran doxxed him, but Tech Lead basically bullied him. Got him copyright striked on a few videos only because he was criticising his product and some other sketchy stuff. I don't remember all of the drama, but it was something like that

[scenic blaze]

Apparently my laptop is known as a "entry-level gaming laptop"

[mortal fox]

What's your laptop?

[young shoal]

"gaming laptop" lmao

[scenic blaze]

ASUS FX705DT

[mortal fox]

I don't know which configuration you have, but it does come in high refresh rate and decent enough GPU flavours.

[strange barn]

do you use light mode?

i do

[rough sapphire]

D:

why

stay and learn python

[scenic blaze]

too late

[rough sapphire]

D:

[topaz aurora]

13.5k away from 100k guild members

Nicee

[winter terrace]

how a programmer works:

1. steal some code
2. that code doesnt work
3. you find the error on stack overflow
4. you steal that code
5. the code works
6. you roll a six-sided die
   6a. If you roll 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 you steal some more code
   6b. If you roll a 7 you write some original code
7. Modify the code that you stole
8. Your boss is somehow happy with you
9. Repeat

[merry canyon]

I need to think of a project to steal for.

[scenic blaze]

Steal facebook

[merry canyon]

🤔

Maybe not

I always think of way to hard shit i have no idea of how to do

[cosmic hatch]

just steal discord or something

[upper sand]

@merry canyon do a path finding visualisation project

[merry canyon]

A what?

[upper sand]

i just said it coz i wanted to show my project lul

but ye like just work on visualising algorithms in general

they removed project section in discord #feelsbadman

[merry canyon]

Show it bruh

[upper sand]

its ongoing n im on working ona nother project so its just got the basic shit done

https://ai-pree.github.io/PathfindingVizAlgo/#

so just add the start and destination

and drun dijkstras algorithm

n run it

thats the only thing that works

only on pc

[merry canyon]

Man I don’t get this at all

[upper sand]

and try chrome

try it first

u can add walls, cost, set checkpoints

its pretty fun project

[merry canyon]

Thanks for sharing

[upper sand]

and its also pretty easy to do it adn u can learn heaps of stuffs. im planning to apply ray casting and stuffs but ye u can add it on urs if u decide to work on it bahhaha

[merry canyon]

I'd just be messing with stuff i don't understand when i should be going back into what i've already got.

I'm stuck on the smallest roadblock i hardly even tried to solve

[upper sand]

well

me

[merry canyon]

Just need to figure out API's and i'll be golden for this one, right?

[upper sand]

what > i didnt quite get that ..

probs coz im dumb bahaha

[merry canyon]

I just wanna make a little daily desktop changer using NASA's Astronomy Picture Of the Day API.

[upper sand]

ohh ye just need to understand how API works and u sud be fine

[merry canyon]

Well this Ctypes nonsense is also quite annoying

[upper sand]

it depends on what u using for ?

[merry canyon]

But i could complain about Windows for days

[upper sand]

i dont use windows lul

[merry canyon]

Exactly

[tidal tusk]

I use it tho

[upper sand]

ur loss

[tidal tusk]

What editor do u use?

[upper sand]

vscode

[tidal tusk]

oh

[merry canyon]

Pycharm here

[tidal tusk]

I use atom

[upper sand]

but usually go for Vim if vscode is not there

[tidal tusk]

?

oh

ok

[upper sand]

idk my brains pretty fcuked

i think of something and write something else

[merry canyon]

Too much internet turns you dumb

[upper sand]

how?

[merry canyon]

Don't ask questions

[upper sand]

i think its coz of my depression and ||suicidal attempts||

and ||drug abuse||

but hey IM clean now 🙃

[merry canyon]

Happy ending ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper sand]

||ye but i dropped out of uni in my last semester in process||

but ye happy ending

[merry canyon]

Seriously these API's

There's an API for everything

Programming's too easy in today's society

[upper sand]

btw lets talk about projects haha

lol ??

Programming's too easy in today's society
@merry canyon

[merry canyon]

Hell yeah

[upper sand]

how do u find it easy ?

[merry canyon]

Python

Python's like programming on a cloud

Where everything's done for you

[upper sand]

lol how ??

[graceful basin]

well, you get to actually do something interesting without punching punchcards for days

[merry canyon]

Punchcards good Python bad

[upper sand]

well

[merry canyon]

I'm just talking about knowing how these things work really

[primal spruce]

Whatever you want to do, there's a library already written to help you with it

So it's kinda true too

[merry canyon]

So idk go read compilers tools techniques and tips

[graceful basin]

you can learn how things work too. You just do not have to

[merry canyon]

I think we should

[upper sand]

nah lifes too short

[merry canyon]

Life's to short to know how how programming works i need more time programming!

Just gotta get down in the numbers

[upper sand]

ye i got heaps of stuff to learn but brains too slow catching up stuffs

[merry canyon]

That's almost all it does

[upper sand]

ye compared to other

[merry canyon]

Just gotta do something

[upper sand]

ye best of luck with that

[merry canyon]

Maybe i should look at C

Or Cython instead lmao

[upper sand]

bruh python is enough for what u r trying to do

dont get stuck in tutorial hell

[merry canyon]

I know

I just want to know this as well

[upper sand]

and start building stuff if ur too undecisive u cant achieve shit

[merry canyon]

I'd obviously make this thing with Python

[upper sand]

ye take one step at a time

[merry canyon]

I just want to know

Cython for AI shit tho.

[upper sand]

jsut get the basic of python first

[merry canyon]

I know the basics of Python and if i don't i just google it doy

[primal spruce]

You don't need to know cython for ai

That sounds counterproductive actually

[merry canyon]

I love counterproductiveness

[primal spruce]

Ah. Fair. Same

[merry canyon]

I just like speed

[primal spruce]

That's what I mean, you won't beat the speed of existing libraries

Not in the ai domain.

[merry canyon]

Not the training

But for the management of the data mayhaps

[primal spruce]

You don't know what you don't know.

[merry canyon]

No shit

[primal spruce]

My suggestion is to first look at what the existing data management libraries are built on. You might be surprised.

[merry canyon]

Only really used JIT a couple times though, but to great effect.

[primal spruce]

There's native C code in the underlying libraries. Cython ain't gonna come close.

[merry canyon]

Of course

One time i was indexing through this CSV for some ungodly reason and JIT and it's speed caught my attention.

Cython's just interesting honestly.

And i'm not smart enough to actually use it.

I'm hardly smart enough to do anyhting

[primal spruce]

Nah you're fine, all things take getting used to, that's all

Cython is definitely a kinda unique one to tackle.

[upper sand]

and elixir lul

[primal spruce]

There's so many ways to write the same thing, and your declarations decide how fast something goes.

[pine tapir]

hello

[merry canyon]

I like esoteric stuff.

[pine tapir]

what that server for

[upper sand]

elixir seems pretty esoteric

they got four directives for improting modules but out of 4, 3 of them have lexical scope lmfao

[pine tapir]

hm

[merry canyon]

I've made some cool things that i like but i'd like to make something to share.

[primal spruce]

Hi. You can check out our #welcome page to find what the server is about

[upper sand]

is it coz i talked about elixir?

[merry canyon]

The heck's elixir?

[upper sand]

nvm i didnt swa his message

programming language build on top of erlang vm (beam)

🙃

[merry canyon]

Mkay i'm never gonna know what that is

[upper sand]

u sud try it since u like esoteric stuffs aye

[merry canyon]

My attention is already fractured to where it's basically broken

[upper sand]

pretty relatable

[merry canyon]

Now i just spend my days not programming at all and watching a shit ton of youtube and reading weird ass manga

At least i bike a lot

[upper sand]

like motorbike or ?

[merry canyon]

Cycling

[upper sand]

oh fair enoguh

[merry canyon]

Gym's closed and i can do upper body stuff well enough but the legs really need something more challenging.

[upper sand]

im trying to get really good at programming like these guys here lul

im trying calisthenics atm lol

[merry canyon]

I've been forced into this calisthenics madness by covid.

[upper sand]

usually surf or jam with my m8s so that i wont get bogged down from programming but ye coivd fucked it up

well for me its more like dont wanna be a couch potato lol

[merry canyon]

It always starts there

[upper sand]

hopefully not

[merry canyon]

What?

[upper sand]

be a couch potato

[merry canyon]

Yeah it always starts with being like "Man i sit around a lot" and you do whatever

I got to find the wherewithal to get back to it programming wise.

[upper sand]

ye seems fair enough

[merry canyon]

But i always make the most progress in the late hours of the night and wee hours of the morning

[upper sand]

guess it depends on person ahah

[merry canyon]

Absolutely

[upper sand]

😄

[merry canyon]

I'mma do that thing

[coarse hearth]

I just found one server with craziest command in world: selfban...

[merry canyon]

nice

[eternal wing]

Someone tried to get banned while I was helping someone on here the other day... i guess they just wanted the attention... maybe some people would settle for the bot's attention

[merry canyon]

Nice

[upper sand]

lol

[graceful basin]

it is useful if you have no self control and need a break from the server to get something done

[gentle moss]

seen selfban requests more than once in here

[upper sand]

man i need that but i would probably regret it afterward when i need to ask question

[sand goblet]

Some people see it as a mark of honor

It's stupid

[undone berry]

I lack self control and would happily have used a selfban command multiple times

[sand goblet]

Self-muting can be useful for a handful of people

[merry canyon]

uninstall discord

[solid pollen]

When I need a pause from discord I often simply log out

I have 2FA enabled and I'm too lazy to log back in lol

[topaz aurora]

QR login is nice

I'm personally too lazy to get my passwords from BitWarden in my browser

[errant wyvern]

let's talk about this life hack

[undone berry]

It was talked about yesterday. Unfunny then unfunny now. Makes 0 sense even in the level of a joke

[errant wyvern]

[gritty zinc]

it doesn't even make sense as a programming joke. that number is 2^31-1, the max of a signed int. Also, implies that net worth is capped at 2 billion, which is, well...

[merry canyon]

man all this number stuff makes my head spin

[errant wyvern]

imagine saving money in 32 bit integers

[merry canyon]

I save my money in my mattress

[round rose]

I save my money in a char, it's not like I'm ever gonna exceed that

[rough sapphire]

Hi guys

[round rose]

sup

[rough sapphire]

How is life

[round rose]

fairly uneventful

[rough sapphire]

ok

hmm so what u projects u doing now?

[round rose]

recently finished a website for a school in my town, planning to work on my own

I already have a decent domain, having a website as a calling card kind of thing is pretty neat

[rough sapphire]

oh ok nice

what language u used?

[round rose]

Python with Django and MySQL for backend, Material Design Bootstrap for the front (aside from HTML/CSS, obviously, it's not like we have a choice there)

[rough sapphire]

nice

i can be a full-stack developer if i learn mysql and js

[round rose]

full-stack is a very valuable skillset to have, yeah

Opens up an array of opportunities for both freelance work and regular employment

[rough sapphire]

but i don't prefer to be a full-stack devloper in company because it's like having the full responsibility of the company

[round rose]

Oh yeah, it's quite a bit of responsibility to handle

[rough sapphire]

but full-stack developer have always opportunity to get job because they work in font-end devloper and back-end developer which is nice

I get the joke, -1 is an array of 1 bits, but to represent the maximum integer value of a type the type would need to be unsigned and since the buffer can't handle negative integer, the nuber is UINTMAX

[graceful basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361103290844446720/744193807444082778/207089259730042881.png
can anyone figure out why this would calculate the distance of the point o from a torus at p of radius 2 and thickness 0.5
I wrote this a few months back and have absolutely no idea how I arrived at it, but it seems to work

[scenic blaze]

r = reminds me of the distance equation

It's been a while since I've done stuff like this

[scenic blaze]

Distance equation is sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) so it's not directly the distance equation

I think he figured it out, though

[graceful basin]

I did not, I just wrote it into my ray marcher rewrite. Still IDK why it works

[scenic blaze]

or she

Oh lol

Well, that works

Only problem is if you have to troubleshoot it down the line

[graceful basin]

normally, I would not mind not knowing, but I came up with this myself and it only took me about a minute

so it seems stupid to me that I am utterly lost now

[scenic blaze]

Fair

At least with mine somebody else came up with it 😄

Also it makes me immensely sad that when I tried running my program on my laptop when it was running on battery, my 10 second program takes like 2 minutes

Well, probably closer to 30 seconds but still

actually let me just time it

Okay 30 seconds

[coarse hearth]

I hate Docker

No, too much errors

Docker should just docker-compose up and everything works

There is very much bugs recently

[rancid forge]

sometimes i think i should be #ot1-perplexing-regexing in various servers

[rough sapphire]

erm..

Does anyone know the issue here? I'm on WSL 2

[lofty dirge]

looks like you can't connect to docker repo

[spiral ridge]

ok

[merry canyon]

Those fucks at NASA meddled with the API i wanted to use

Pulls from tomorrow

Still got it tho but comon NASA!

[upper sand]

@uneven pine if u check this guy tech lead he says he code at 110 wpm dont know if tis true tho

[merry canyon]

Yeah right

[uneven pine]

Why did you ping me for that?

I really don't care.

[upper sand]

lul

[uneven pine]

Sigh, children.

[upper sand]

it was off topic lul

k

[solid pollen]

The academic ranking of world universities for this year is out

Mine is in 101-150th place

That ain't bad

[young shoal]

where can i find this ranking?

[round rose]

güggle

Mine's 801-1000 apparently, neat

[upper sand]

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2020

mines 43 ||not flexing I swear|| lul but i didnt even graduate 🙃

just out of curiosity do u know how the ranking is done?

[shell raptor]

Well, they might say what algorithm they used

Maybe it's like with programming languages' ranking. Different sources use completely different metrics, most of which aren't really good indicators

[upper sand]

ah.... fair enough ty 😄

[solid pollen]

It is mostly based on how well the students "perform" after being graduated for example the amount of graduated students that got a Nobel price

[upper sand]

i c thnx for the info.

[upper sand]

nice ps skills

[halcyon mantle]

lol

[topaz aurora]

Think I'm gonna start using Alacritty for running WSL

[sand goblet]

Enjoy it not being able to close half the time

@topaz aurora

You're going to run into this at some point so I'll warn you about it now

There's an issue with almost all third party terminal emulators on windows

If something is running in them and you close it, sometimes they'll just freeze and have to be killed in the task manager

The only terminal emulator I could find that didn't do this is conemu

Hyper and Alacritty are my test cases personally but the others have issues to that effect too

[topaz aurora]

Right, I'll take note of that

Pretty neat

[upper sand]

after finishing a course on elixir in 2 days they tell me that i sud have a good understanding of erlang at the end lol pfft

[blissful moth]

what

[rough sapphire]

I'm playing with OpenGL and particularly GLSL because I apparently have no attention span these days. This is too complicated of a thing for me to drop what I'm doing to learn it, but I saw some people doing live shader programming on Twitch and I was like, "Damn."

[rancid forge]

ded chat

[rich rover]

yeah

we should kill it more

[spiral ridge]

well you cant kill anything thats ded

but anyhting is possible with python

[rancid forge]

del ot1

[spiral ridge]

wait

[upper sand]

I was working on procedural terrain generation using marching cube and perIin noise(personal project). I left that project after i had to learn about shaders lul

[versed saffron]

@brazen timber idk if you know or not, but I've heard that the game is like horribly unoptimized

[brazen timber]

that is true

that is very true

[versed saffron]

but noooo, lets just add more grass

[brazen timber]

its version 1.12.2, the best stable version they have

the vanilla server i host is 1.14.4 and it BARELY runs with 20 people

[versed saffron]

Like I know I've got a shitty laptop, but I can run r6 better than hypixel

[brazen timber]

dont go to big servers, they sell your ip

its how servers makes money

that and loot boxes

[versed saffron]

can't sell my ip if i use a vpn 🙃

[brazen timber]

minecraft can by pass vpns, if not yout ip then its the data from your account

you dont buy minecraft, you buy the account

[round zenith]

@brazen timber idk if you know or not, but I've heard that the game is like horribly unoptimized
@versed saffron I heard the game is running off a bunch of old archaic code and they're slowly trying to rewrite it, like as in blaze3d and The Flattening

[brazen timber]

brutal, wouldnt be surpized though

kek

[versed saffron]

I think either they need to sit down and work solely on optimization, and/or move to a better language

[sand goblet]

Good lord, the amount of FUD here

[brazen timber]

they said they fixed it in 1.15

[round zenith]

I think either they need to sit down and work solely on optimization, and/or move to a better language
@versed saffron bedrock is c++, but also Redstone doesn't work well

[sand goblet]

dont go to big servers, they sell your ip
What the heck even is this statement

[versed saffron]

That makes it even worse 😆

[sand goblet]

Do you even know what an IP is

[brazen timber]

internet protocall

yea

[sand goblet]

That sounds like a no to me!

[versed saffron]

you can't do much with an ip

*assuming you haven't completely screwed up your protocols

[sand goblet]

It's just not useful information for anyone

[round zenith]

Ips change every week or so too, so having an ip wouldn't be useful

[sand goblet]

That's an incorrect blanket statement

Your IP renews based on the lease your ISP gives you

[round zenith]

I mean even if you had an ip of someone, it would be useless in a week or so

[sand goblet]

Or some just never change - we have a static IP

[round zenith]

When it got renewed

[versed saffron]

ip's don't give specific physical locations either, mine says I'm about 20km from where I live

[round zenith]

Or some just never change - we have a static IP
@sand goblet Most residential customers have a dynamic ip

[rough sapphire]

@round zenith Citation needed

[sand goblet]

Not necessarily true

Some ISPs don't even give you a unique address

Some give you multiple

You just can't blanket it

[round zenith]

This is beside the point

All I'm saying is that, in most cases, knowing an ip is useless

[sand goblet]

The real point you should be making is that nobody cares what your IP address is, most likely

[rough sapphire]

Oh, sure.

[sand goblet]

The only people that do are the people that may want to ddos you, but you're probably not a big enough streamer for that

[versed saffron]

is that the same for MAC addresses?

[rough sapphire]

@versed saffron Nope!

[sand goblet]

And the server owner certainly isn't going to be one of those people

[rough sapphire]

MAC addresses are local only, and can be spoofed

Now, nothing stops an application ( as we've seen with TikTok ) from siphoning that information off your devices.

[brazen timber]

im not a streamer at all, just a person hosting stuff for friends and i want them to be safe in it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand goblet]

Yeah, although mobile platforms randomize your MAC these days

[versed saffron]

MAC addresses are local only, and can be spoofed
So what could be done with it?

[sand goblet]

Basically nothing

[rough sapphire]

@versed saffron Considering no one actually spoofs their desktop/laptop MAC addresses? Easy way to piece together what kind of device you have. But in the grand scheme, yeah, probably nothing.

[sand goblet]

The only real use for it is to track a specific device across a set of networks

[rough sapphire]

@rough sapphire If someone knows I have a OnePlus device, how does that help with marketing?

[sand goblet]

Well clearly you like sandstone!

[rough sapphire]

The only thing I need is a case, and I've already bought one.

So, good luck with that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[versed saffron]

2 cases

[rough sapphire]

@versed saffron Now you're talking 😄

[sand goblet]

I have one of those Spigen ones

[versed saffron]

one goes around the other

[rough sapphire]

@sand goblet Huh, as do I

[sand goblet]

They're good

[rough sapphire]

@versed saffron I'm sold, I'll buy 12

[sand goblet]

Kickstand is a bit small though

[versed saffron]

for an extra 999 a month you can get 3 tho

[rough sapphire]

kickstand? Didn't get one with that, as I find them eh.

[sand goblet]

I like them

[versed saffron]

so the mac address would really only be useful for determining the os?

[rough sapphire]

Nope. Determining the specific wireless chip.

Well, manufacturer

[sand goblet]

The manufacturer of the chip yeah

[rough sapphire]

So you can find out if it's an Intel or whatever

[sand goblet]

Unless you're talking phones since both Android and iOS devices randomize the MAC these days

[rough sapphire]

Then yeah, useless at that point

[versed saffron]

so what can malicious peoples actually use to penetrate a system?

[sand goblet]

Phishing, mostly

It's probably the most common vector out there

[versed saffron]

which would provide remote access?

[sand goblet]

No, usually just access to accounts

But in the case of a business they're looking for internal accounts

[versed saffron]

ah ok

[scenic blaze]

Plenty of places use IPs/mac addresses to try to permaban people

[rough sapphire]

@scenic blaze They use mac addresses? What?

[scenic blaze]

I could be wrong on this, I just heard it in passing

about mac addresses

about IPs definitely

[upper sand]

what about the public IP if u get one from ISP. Is it secure ?

[rough sapphire]

Is it secure What?

I don't know what that even means

[scenic blaze]

Could it be hacked????

[rough sapphire]

I.. uh

[upper sand]

well anything can be hacked.. just wanted to know how secure it is ?

[rough sapphire]

How secure is.. your public IP? From what?

[scenic blaze]

From HACKERS

[upper sand]

ye

[rough sapphire]

There's more to this question.

What exactly are you asking here?

If someone has your IP, what can they do?

[upper sand]

know public ip for accessing from internet

not the private ips

[scenic blaze]

If someone had my IP, could they hunt me down and murder me?

[upper sand]

no lol

[scenic blaze]

What's stopping them???

[rough sapphire]

@upper sand I'm not sure what you're asking here

@scenic blaze Uh, that was a jump.

[upper sand]

so i was trying to consume webhooks ye

for that i wont be able to use my private ip

[scenic blaze]

I was mostly messing around, but I think a question is can someone determine geographical data from your IP and the answer is yes

[rough sapphire]

@upper sand Alright, I'm with you so far

[upper sand]

i had to expost my local host to internet ysing ngrok

lul dont judge me on this

[rough sapphire]

Ah, I remember this conversation

More or less, don't do that

[upper sand]

if i had public ip i didnt had to do that

[rough sapphire]

Because opening up a residential connection like that can cause an issue for your entire home network if there's a vulnerability in whatever you're running.

Whereas, if you're using a VPS, you just have to worry about the one server.

and I believe it came down to, you can't/won't do that, because of money, right?

[upper sand]

vps is not an option right now i was thinking of setting up ngrok in docker to foward it to my local host from there

yes that was the reason

aside that if i get public ip? will it be secure enough compared to that (exposing ur localhost using ngrok for acccessing from internet)?

im just bad at explainign things 🙃

[rough sapphire]

I really don't think you should continue down the road of opening up your residential connection unless you know what you're doing.

[upper sand]

ye fair enough ty

[scenic blaze]

I really don't think you should continue down the road of opening up your residential connection anything unless you know what you're doing.
@rough sapphire

😄

[rough sapphire]

@scenic blaze Not necessarily. It's why I recommend a VPS

[scenic blaze]

Virtual Private System

?

[rough sapphire]

You can do whatever you want ( within reason ) on a VPS. If you mess it up, nuke it

Virtual Private Server

[scenic blaze]

So close

[rough sapphire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic blaze]

You young whippersnappers and your fancy schmancy terms

[rough sapphire]

I'll take that as a compliment

[upper sand]

well i have all the authentication setup and its generating new address every hour for me and updating it but i still dont want to get fucked over by some bot

[rancid forge]

You young whippersnappers and your fancy schmancy terms
antidisestablishmentarianism

[upper sand]

well lul

[soft violet]

Yeah, well, until the Australian public wake up to the idea that the Liberal party (jackboot authoritarians with big business interests) and the Nationals (nationalist racists, cue banjoes) are arseholes who don't have any business walking free, let alone being in government, bad legislation will continue to be passed.

I do my part, but I am in the minority.

[upper sand]

well we cant do much about it tbh expect awaring ppl 🙃

at the end of the day everything comes down to money ayee 😉

[eager trout]

I remember when I figured out I could access peoples routers by subnet scanning with my own public ip

You could say that's a general vulnerability with isp's

[upper sand]

ohh i c thnx for the info

[upper sand]

jsut out of curiosity is python good for number crunching?

[young shoal]

with the right libraries

by itself, no

[upper sand]

what if i use cython?

[young shoal]

that's the default

err nvm

[upper sand]

??

[young shoal]

i thought you said cpython

[upper sand]

oh

anything else that u would recommend ?

based on ur exp?

[young shoal]

use a different lang ig

[upper sand]

no atually i was doing it on elixir but its not optimal for that purpose, which i found out afterwards. So i was trying to implement it in language i knew n bind with

with elixir

but ye i cant ditch elixir now so

do u know rust ?

[young shoal]

nah

i intend to pick it up soon, but like

soon ™️

[upper sand]

fair enough. i researched a bit and found out its really good for number crunching but its totally new skill set for me

anyways thnx heaps bud

[young shoal]

np

[sonic river]

what pre-requisites must the language fill ? @upper sand

[upper sand]

just for number crunching and i can bind elixir with it easily ty

[sonic river]

my first guess would be C, it's generally one of the simplest language to bind and it's quite common for numerics

I assume there's a way to bind C to elixir

[upper sand]

right now i only explored wxwidgets for language binding

i need to resreach on that bit more coz ivent done it for elixir so far... and thnx heaps i will check that out ty

but would u recommend rust over C @sonic river ?

[scenic blaze]

Most of the server would recommend rust over C probably

But I still love me some C

It's hard to top its computational time

[upper sand]

I c so rust it is. Thnx heaps bud

wait nvm ahha C it is!! they already had NIFs for binding C. 🙃

[agile heart]

god python general is chaotic

that must be the 15th time I'm saying that

[young shoal]

it's the first thing most people see, so it's the thing they gravitate to ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[agile heart]

when there was a single channel, that was the first channel everyone saw as well

and it was almost never as chaotic as this

[young shoal]

there's also more people now i g

[agile heart]

it's like the only channel on the server which I think is.. bleh

[young shoal]

yeah, the other channels (help-element, topicals) are wayyy better

[agile heart]

think I ought to open advanced-disc more often than python-general, it's just that the name of the latter is so misleading(and hence tempting)

I suppose it's more like python-and-discord-beginners/offtopic/partial-shitposting

[young shoal]

i suppose

[agile heart]

I think the mods do a really good job, and it's still not enough because it's so difficult

[young shoal]

to be fair, once you ping, the mods come very fast

you can't really expect them to monitor every single channel

[agile heart]

I meant preventing shitposts

yeah

[young shoal]

yeah

[agile heart]

I think it speaks for itself when that's the only channel on the server with perma slowmode

[young shoal]

no other chat gets the same amount of traffic though

[agile heart]

I'm seeing Xithrius post about how-to-get-help for the 10th time in the last hour

poor guy

[young shoal]

yeah

it is very hard to get people to read

[rough sapphire]

1 wpm speed off

[rough sapphire]

There you go, I helped you reach your desired number: 67 @rough sapphire

hahahha

my ave is 75 normally but i am trying to hit 69 haha

[solid pollen]

69 and 42 are the way to go

[rough sapphire]

hehehe indeed

[wet jay]

hey

pls

can

u help me

[solid pollen]

You could try 666 but I'm not really sure haha

[rough sapphire]

i don't think that's humanely possible haha

hey
@wet jay idk how to

[wet jay]

mk

[rich rover]

I'm an expert

[graceful basin]

nice

[errant wyvern]

@vapid barn welcome

[vapid barn]

Oh hello

[rancid forge]

Ok Zoomer

...is a mod by Vazkii @joaoh1 of the Fabric Discord Server

And now it's time for me to make a mod called owolib

[rough sapphire]

Hi everyone

[rancid forge]

hi there

[rough sapphire]

What will owolib do

[rancid forge]

it will:

1. change minecraft splashes to be random owos
2. supply a method to get random owos
3. owo on load

[rough sapphire]

mowojang

[rancid forge]

no, but no

[rough sapphire]

:(

Thought that was #3

[floral viper]

I may be severely damaged from all my internet usage but I would have guessed your owolib would have something to do with furries

[rough sapphire]

Yeah

[topaz aurora]

It comes from multiple different subcultures but that's one that it's mostly attributed to

[rancid forge]

nope, it has to do with Ok Zoomer

[young shoal]

🤔

[floral viper]

I remember back in 2007 owo and -w- was mostly attributed to the weeb culture. Then furries kinda took it over

[topaz aurora]

I mean conceptually, owo and uwu are just horizontal variants of :3 which comes from neko mouth thing in animé

[floral viper]

Then there is (´･ω･`) if anyone remembers that one

made a big meme

[topaz aurora]

There's also the Kaomoji variants yeah (◡ ω ◡)

imo Kaomoji is the only tolerable form of emoji because it's so underused

[young shoal]

wow that is extremely low res

[rough sapphire]

Yeah

[topaz aurora]

Fixed?

Probably not lol

[rough sapphire]

White outline tho

[young shoal]

yeah

fixed on light mode

[rough sapphire]

Lemme remove it

Nevermind

:P

[young shoal]

o

[solid pollen]

That reminds me of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm wondering what the symbol in the middle actually mean

[graceful basin]

!charinfo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal lake]

Character Info

\u00af : MACRON - ¯
\u005c : REVERSE SOLIDUS - \
\u005f : LOW LINE - _
\u0028 : LEFT PARENTHESIS - (
\u30c4 : KATAKANA LETTER TU - ツ
\u0029 : RIGHT PARENTHESIS - )
\u005f : LOW LINE - _
\u002f : SOLIDUS - /
\u00af : MACRON - ¯

Full Raw Text

\u00af\u005c\u005f\u0028\u30c4\u0029\u005f\u002f\u00af

[young shoal]

!charinfo (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[royal lake]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[young shoal]

ah

[solid pollen]

So that's the letter "tu"?

Interesting

[agile heart]

Oh man Eclipse is so good, tleast for Java

So darn good

[young shoal]

so good?

better than intellij?

[agile heart]

hmmmmm

so when I began learning Java, I used notepad

then vscode

and now it's Eclipse

[young shoal]

i started on eclipse because that's what my school laptop had

[agile heart]

I haven't used Intellij yet but from what I read online it looks like it's a superior choice

[graceful basin]

I have had great success with intelliJ for java

[agile heart]

I was specifically instructed to use notepad when beginning

maybe to drill it down better or something

[young shoal]

idk about great success, but i do like intellij a lot more than eclipse

[graceful basin]

for java, that is stupid. You need an automatic import finder for java

[agile heart]

what do you find cooler about intellij, personally?

[graceful basin]

it has great autocomplete, which can also search through the whole project. In eclipse, I could not figure that out

[agile heart]

I don't think it's necessarily stupid, it made me realise the importance of importing right and making sure I understand where everything is coming from

I think eclipse also has autocomplete?

[graceful basin]

it does, but IME worse

[agile heart]

but it's not context based

[graceful basin]

ye, intelliJ will decide based on type, and even names

[agile heart]

Hm, I think I'll try that after my course ends since this specifically wants Eclipse, and perhaps it's a better idea to spend time with the 'bad' ones before getting a better ide to truly appreciate it

For python, I started with Spyder, and have pretty much never tried anything else

except vscode at times

[graceful basin]

spyder is good

I used it for a bit

[agile heart]

I see a lot of people use PyCharm

but I've not been upset by Spyder that much to change to PyCharm

[graceful basin]

Pycharm has the almost the same cool autocomplete features that intelliJ does. It does not work as well in a dynamically typed language though

[agile heart]

But one thing

Aren't IntelliJ and PyCharm heavier on the pc than their alternatives?

[graceful basin]

yes

[agile heart]

So I guess that's the tradeoff

[graceful basin]

well, VSC is even heavier IME, but eclipse should be lighter

but well, my PC can run it fine, so IDC

[agile heart]

VS almost seems as light as notepad at times lol

[deep drum]

I was initially scared to move to PyCharm, but ever since I did, I never looked back.

[graceful basin]

may be the vim extension I have

[rough sapphire]

why lemon having coffee , he should have lemon juice? 🤔

[deep drum]

Managing environments, requirements, finding problems (with autofix), autocomplete... PyCharm does it best.

[sonic river]

Vsc heavier than jetbrains IDEs ? As in ram usage or binary size or some other metric

[agile heart]

Do you mean you couldn't do that as well in Spyder?

[rough sapphire]

:/

[topaz aurora]

Vsc heavier than jetbrains IDEs ? As in ram usage or binary size or some other metric
Electron

[young shoal]

i use jetbrains ides with a vim extension, and it's pretty good

[graceful basin]

I press keys and it took 5 or so seconds for VSC to actually perform the actions associated with those keys

[rough sapphire]

i use vscode

[graceful basin]

it was not pleasant

[rough sapphire]

:/

[graceful basin]

but again, I had a ton of extensions, it is probably the vim thing

but well, ideaVIM does not have those issues, so PyCharm it is

[rough sapphire]

why would have a ton of extension ?

[sonic river]

I doubt it's the vim extension, that would be ridiculous

[agile heart]

ooh, when do you know it's time to switch from Spyder to PyCharm(assuming that you actually should)

[graceful basin]

because I need to edit HTML files, JS files, alpine.js, python, vim emulation, automatic newline at end of file

[sonic river]

Some packages do typically murk performances, any kind of aggressive indentation, or automatic autocomplete on type, bad syntax highlighting etc

[graceful basin]

all of those are features I do want though

[rough sapphire]

i use kite for automatic

[graceful basin]

so ye, probably some poor extensions

[deep drum]

btw PyCharm literally has Webstorm built into it. I'm currently writing completely Vue.js stuff in PyCharm. Which is a IDE... For Python. Or so you thought.

[graceful basin]

but IDC to solve that. If I wanted to dig through packages to find the problematic one, I would be using emacs

[sonic river]

There's also always some trade off between ram usage and perfs

[graceful basin]

ye, all jetbrains IDEs are interoperable

you can get pycharm in intelliJ

[sonic river]

Indexing makes memory usage very big but makes using the tool snappier in general

Maybe the language extensions you used didn't do much indexing

Tho generally, and especially with vsc, this is handled by the language server hmm

[graceful basin]

I think something was not using an LSP, because I use multiple LSPs on emacs and have none of these issues

[young shoal]

you can use pycharm in intellij?

[sonic river]

Nice to see someone who seems to actually has tried many editors and ides

[young shoal]

huh?

[graceful basin]

there is a python extension which has feature parity

[young shoal]

o, interesting

[graceful basin]

gdude mentioned he uses that

[sonic river]

That's interesting, I wonder what's the rationale behind such an extension

I guess for those who don't want to have multiple IDEs

[young shoal]

||so i wasn't supposed to have intellij and pycharm||

[graceful basin]

I have both, but if you customize intelliJ heavily, you probably do not want to redo the work in pycharm

all I setup is install ideaVIM which is in the getting started wizard, so that is not much inconvenience

[young shoal]

makes sense

[solid pollen]

I have both

So I can have a more lightweight python editor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh and I think they are both using the same config file

That... Break them a little lol

[scenic blaze]

I’m doing an interview day right now and I’m like “I can’t talk about X” and they’re like “tell us all about X” 😦

[undone berry]

Is this an interview for a job? If so, do you have an example of the X?

[scenic blaze]

Interview for a job. I try my best to tell them what I can about it in broad terms

But X is the million dollar proprietary thing

It’s like the McDonald’s secret sauce

[undone berry]

Ah, fair enough

[scenic blaze]

Do most companies schedule 7 hours of interviews in one day

[quick ledge]

try talking about Y instead

[scenic blaze]

I feel like no

Hah like a politician

[quick ledge]

yesss

[undone berry]

Assesment centres are pretty common over here. Where it's like a day long suite of different interviews and tests and shit

[scenic blaze]

“You want to know about the secret sauce? Let me tell you about birds”

I’m pretty sure I’m meeting everyone in the whole dang company

There was like 20+ people in on my morning prezzie

Okay, break over, cya guys a bit later

[rancid forge]

sschr15 has received :concernedtater:

[rich rover]

I'm seeing a pattern here

[rancid forge]

x?

[small fossil]

I hate doing CAD work especially when im not being paid -_-

Why did they have to make Sketchup webbased or licensed only 😔

[scenic blaze]

Why are you working for free

[charred fulcrum]

i was going to ask that lol

[small fossil]

cuz doing it for a family member and idek

[rough sapphire]

Gl

[red willow]

wish I could learn some CAD for my job, tough to find time though

[frail iris]

Has anyone here used blender

[rough sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732760988860022894/742098274382774322/53a659640a794900.mp4

good songe : 3

[candid anvil]

@rough sapphire that's so funny bro 😂

[rough sapphire]

so... i've seen people ask for welcome images a few times in the Nadeko support server
and nadeko supports placeholders in greet/leave messages
how would that work, with discord caching?
like.. are www.api.com/x?text=asdsad www.api.com/x?text=asdsadasdsad two different urls, according to discord?
if they both return an image? (@ me)

[solid elbow]

The query parameters must be considered when caching an HTTP response. I don't know about Discord in particular, but that's the general answer, @rough sapphire

[rough sapphire]

hm oki

im going to hope discord pays attention to that

[eager trout]

@terse sluice I would like to know how you set up your site

Did you do the port forwarding and ip technique?

[terse sluice]

i port forwarded, yeah

[eager trout]

hmm, so I just sign up and set it up, providing my public ip?

[terse sluice]

yeah

along with your domain

[eager trout]

a portfolio is gonna really be good for me considering I'm left with 2 years of high school left

[terse sluice]

the ip should be an A record on your domain

my site gets a decent amount of traffic interestingly

[eager trout]

and I can disable and enable it any time I want with no problems

[terse sluice]

disable and enable what specifically?

[eager trout]

the site

I mean, shutdown basically

cause I'm just testing this for now

[terse sluice]

yeah that's fine

cloudflare would just show an error page

[eager trout]

nice

[terse sluice]

cloudflare also provides SSL which is really nice

[eager trout]

siccc

can you change the domain name at any time?

[terse sluice]

well, you have to own the domain name

i got mine from google domains

[eager trout]

my name is the only one in existence

hmm

so the domain costs money

[terse sluice]

indeed it does

but domains are really cheap

[eager trout]

$9.99 is pretty cheap

[terse sluice]

well, most are

yeah

[eager trout]

fidgets spinners cost more than that

[terse sluice]

lol

[eager trout]

and for a whole year? Is it a one time cheap price or the price is the same per annum

[terse sluice]

it’s annual billing

[eager trout]

nice

well, thanks for the help, I'll let you know if I need any more help (won't be hosting the site for now)

[terse sluice]

no problem!

[eager trout]

what brought you to starting snek network?

[terse sluice]

lol i can’t find the friend req you sent.. i have like 500 of those

[eager trout]

lol

probably from inactive people. This is my go-to server

[terse sluice]

idk, me and xithrius kinda just came up with the idea and started doing it

it’s going to be a pretty long term project

[lofty dirge]

you could get cheap VPS from DO

that's what I do for my Discord Bot/site

[terse sluice]

there was this one site that had really cheap k8s

[lofty dirge]

Mine is docker compose

I wrote Pwsh script to just do git pull, docker-compose up --build

[terse sluice]

i also use docker compose normally, yeah

i have a webhook that does exactly that lol

[ivory moss]

ok lets continue

[rough sapphire]

This is how my Linux interface looks like, it's very sacrilegious

[mild abyss]

is that KDE?

[ivory moss]

is that linux?

[rough sapphire]

Yeah

[ivory moss]

or windows

[rough sapphire]

KDE Plasma & Manjaro

[ivory moss]

bruh

[mild abyss]

damn looks cool

[ivory moss]

if i had to pick something

[mild abyss]

but KDE does not run well on debian

[ivory moss]

i'd go with manjaro or pop

[mild abyss]

i dont know why

[celest vine]

Wtf where are ur apps

[young shoal]

@rough sapphire smh why don't you just download windows

very nice background though

[rough sapphire]

I like this global design, didn't bother with changing the icon on the bottom left yet

[mild abyss]

i use Gnome DE

[rough sapphire]

😄

[mild abyss]

but it kinda have this android feel

[ivory moss]

nah

[mild abyss]

rather than a windows typical user feel

[ivory moss]

linux is cool

[rough sapphire]

I'm not a huge GNOME fan. I've used Ubuntu for the longest time, but it always felt like fighting the WM :P

[quick ledge]

i use kde manjaro too

[mild abyss]

okay will reinstall a new linux then ❤️

[quick ledge]

but it kinda have this android feel
@mild abyss prolly coz of the application launcher thingy

[mild abyss]

with KDE manjaro

[quick ledge]

sure

[mild abyss]

I actually hating Gnome because of it

[quick ledge]

xfce is lightweight

kde is a bit resource heavy

[mild abyss]

can i run vscode and pycharm in there?

[quick ledge]

bu kde spoils you

sure

[mild abyss]

in xfce?

[rough sapphire]

Sure you can

[quick ledge]

i use vs code

[ivory moss]

i would install Parrot OS

[rough sapphire]

someone know a good linux for begginers

Manjaro & KDE @rough sapphire

i tried Parrot

but seems

....

[ivory moss]

seems what

[mild abyss]

idk if i should switch to ubuntu from debian tho

any insights?

[ivory moss]

@rough sapphire tbh just use ubuntu

its the biggest linux distro

and has biggest community

[rough sapphire]

can i be big hacker using it 😳

You can be a hacker using Windows XP, if you wish to do so

[mild abyss]

and has biggest community
@ivory moss i will do it then it gave me a lot of headaches trying to search some firmware for my laptop because debian is so hard to use 😦

[ivory moss]

lul

[mild abyss]

i mean i finally learned debian so well that i actually found all the firmware needed

but it kinda felt like it is not my home

[rough sapphire]

I tried debian too and it felt a bit clunky. Maybe it's just my WM choice, but it kind of seems like it would need a lot of configuration to run well.

I do like it for CLI only servers though

[mild abyss]

well it says ubuntu is way user friendly so downloading now

[quick ledge]

but it kinda felt like it is not my home
@mild abyss did you try other DEs?

other than gnome and kde

[mild abyss]

@mild abyss did you try other DEs?
@quick ledge yup. Gnome felt like android. KDE does not run well on debian and has a lot of breaks and bugs

can you suggest a DE for me once i install ubuntu?

[quick ledge]

xfce

is one that i have used

[rough sapphire]

I've never seen Ubuntu used with different DE's

[quick ledge]

xubuntu?

[rough sapphire]

Yeah, I know about those

Why not just use Manjaro? @mild abyss

[quick ledge]

ok got what you mean

"it's broken"

according to some people

like the official linux discord server

[rough sapphire]

Far from that, it works delightfully well

[quick ledge]

personally though, I love it

yes

[mild abyss]

KDE manjaro? will search for it

[quick ledge]

yep, that's what i use

[mild abyss]

how much ram is needed for that DE?

[rough sapphire]

Not much, I have maybe 1GB idle usage

[mild abyss]

I only have 4GB ram which has a free slot up to 8GB but covid prevented me from buying new ram

[rough sapphire]

Even less than that actually

[solid pollen]

That's a really cool background

I think I've seen this one somewhere nope

[rough sapphire]

😄

[mild abyss]

that is KDE?

😮

[rough sapphire]

Yeah

[solid pollen]

Good distro choice btw

[rough sapphire]

I'm really happy with Manjaro. Pacman is lovely and KDE looks cool.

[mild abyss]

dude im on the manjaro website and gnome looks like not an android interface

but i like kde more

[rough sapphire]

They are all highly configurable

[solid pollen]

Plasma is known to be a bit more configurable though

But yeah

Arch is... Settings

[mild abyss]

arch linux?

[solid pollen]

Yup

Manjaro is based on arch

[rough sapphire]

With Manjaro you get a lot of the benefits from Arch minus the hassle the installation & setup poses

[mild abyss]

like ubuntu is based on debian unstable? weird

and cool

[solid pollen]

Well, yeah

[rough sapphire]

I've tried installing Arch before but it turns out I just wanted a functioning PC instead of configuring everything myself

[mild abyss]

thanks :3 i kinda like the info i got here

any thoughts on Kali linux?

[rough sapphire]

I heard it's horrible as a main OS

But I've never tried it. You can get all of the functionality Kali provides with any other popular distro

[mild abyss]

what manjaro branch should i get? stable, testing or unstable.
i have heard many people using Kali for hacking and pentesting

[rough sapphire]

Stable

Manjaro has rolling releases

which means you'll never need to download another version

Your existing installation will always be updated

[mild abyss]

nice thanks. will download rufus and manjaro.

[quick ledge]

any thoughts on Kali linux?
@mild abyss you can downlaod the tools yo normally get on kali on any other distro

kali is said to be good for beginners since they come preinstalled

idk whether i agree with that

but whatever floats your boat

[rough sapphire]

Maybe use Kali in a VM

[mild abyss]

okay bro thanks for the info ❤️

WSL u mean? for Kali?

[quick ledge]

then you will need a network adapter for the wirless stuff

Maybe use Kali in a VM
@rough sapphire(right?)

[rough sapphire]

Hmm

[quick ledge]

yeah

[rough sapphire]

Makes sense

[quick ledge]

WSL u mean? for Kali?
@mild abyss no. VM - virual machine

or something

[mild abyss]

oh okay

[quick ledge]

popular ones are virtual box , VMware

[mild abyss]

are vms resource hungry?

[quick ledge]

not exactly

Vms will use the resource you alocate to it

so Vms will be less powerful than the host

[mild abyss]

@rough sapphire should i opt for minimal download?

[rough sapphire]

I'd go for that one, yeah

The other one brings quite a lot of bloat to the table

[mild abyss]

yah i kinda figured too. :3 thanks

[solid pollen]

Kali is meant to be a tool, not a personal distro

It is also not secured at all

[mild abyss]

hmmm can you elaborate? i am kinda new to linux been using debian for a month now

[solid pollen]

For instance, all the programs are running as root

You don't have to sudo anything, which mean that any program can access whatever they want without your authorization

[tulip patrol]

Has lemon always been an owner??

[solid pollen]

I... I'm not sure tbh

[mild abyss]

You don't have to sudo anything, which mean that any program can access whatever they want without your authorization
@solid pollen that is kinda dangerous if someone just used my computer remotely without permission

[quick ledge]

Has lemon always been an owner??
@tulip patrol no

Joe is the one who made this server

[solid pollen]

Joe didn't made this server

@mild abyss well, remote access is different, I meant any program you run yourself can do anything, ssh will still ask you for a password

[quick ledge]

Joe didn't made this server
@solid pollen then who did?

[solid pollen]

They left a long time ago iirc

We really need a pydis timeline

[quick ledge]

i thought Joe said that he was the one who made it

he needed help with python

and didnt find any servers

so he made one

[mild abyss]

woah history okay continue talking :3

we can ask lemon 🍋 about the history of this discord server

[rough sapphire]

!lemon

[quick ledge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/291284109232308226/459114766040825867

Neerus

[solid pollen]

I might try to make a pydis time-line later today

[quick ledge]

please do

[solid pollen]

I wonder if the early history of pydis is still in #announcements

[quick ledge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/354619224620138496/354619351015620608

oldest message in #announcements that i could find

[mild abyss]

yehey thanks and it would be cool 😍

[solid pollen]

I'll probably have to DM someone then

[oak tangle]

All I know is that some guy named John was involved.

[gentle moss]

i tried my hand at playing battleships for a while last year

haven't really played much since

whole experience was a bit hit or miss

[shell vapor]

and for a whole year? Is it a one time cheap price or the price is the same per annum
@eager trout note that some domains have different costs for new registrations and renewals.... you should look into those before buying a 99 cent domain with $40 renewals :p
https://tld-list.com/ is a good resource

[gentle moss]

nice site

another thing i'd advise is reading the terms and conditions of cheap price domains

i've seen some shady shit from registrars

like request limits