ot1-perplexing-regexing

[sand goblet]

Yeah that's not entirely news

haha

[rough sapphire]

I just mean its kind of mindblowing to think about what things might not be obvious without the Internet. TBH, without the Internet, I would find it completely unbelievable that many of the things people are into are possible

[sand goblet]

Yeah, no kidding

the internet really has been quite the thing for that

[scenic blaze]

and voat is a cesspit

[rough sapphire]

I went there one time and backed out quickly.

But what I saw was more political than other.

eh, it gets pretty disturbing to be honest imo.

It might not be as visually disturbing as some things but hearing people spew hatred and conspiracy theories kind of makes me sick.

And in those corners of the net they are really open to being disgusting about it

These are people who go to these other alt platforms because they are so venomous they get banned

So yeah, its not pleasant to go there is all im saying

To be honest youd probably fit in on Mastodon if you cared enough to @sand goblet . Anyone with the will to correct someone for using a slur has a place there. haha.

[sand goblet]

honestly I don't think it's worth my time

I can do more good on DIscord

[rough sapphire]

Im not thinking that you're wrong either.

What I get out of it... is when I feel the negative feelings I sometimes feel about using other social media, its a place where a small close knit group of people who host their own things exist and I happen to know them. Honestly, if you WERE interested in joining, you'd struggle to find a server worth joining open for sign ups.

I just happen to be on a good one but its not exactly open to the public

mastodon is like mos eisly

[high verge]

i forget how nice this server can be sometimes

it's big but it's not just 1000 people screaming their question into the void

[rough sapphire]

I think the questions shouted at the void are just well directed.

[scenic blaze]

The design architecture of the server is pretty brilliant

[lofty dirge]

gdude, maybe it's to allow groups promoting proper teen sex education and relationships need that clause?

[round zenith]

The design architecture of the server is pretty brilliant
@scenic blaze you can get your question answered, and even if you don't know where to, people will show you how to ask your question, and get it answered

Joe, lemon, ves, and the rest of the staff have done a great job on this server

[empty prism]

Joe Lemon kinda sounds like a beetles parody

but yeah the question channels are really incredible, really cuts down on the crosstalk

[round zenith]

but yeah the question channels are really incredible, really cuts down on the crosstalk
@empty prism python bot is amazingly well written

[warm widget]

Twitter is tears.

I just don't know anymore.

Just disappoints me.

[rough sapphire]

Its easily the best server on Discord. I think you guys could probably do a TED talk about how to make a Discord not suck.

Its possible I have not tried out enough Discords to say that, but the ones I have tried out make me feel that way.

[drifting hatch]

What is binod?

[tall ermine]

@rare patrol

hi

[rare patrol]

hello

you should be working on week 2 problem 5

[tall ermine]

i'm in tuition

[rare patrol]

oh right

online?

[tall ermine]

ye

[rare patrol]

mine is too

it kinda sucks

[tall ermine]

math?

[rare patrol]

yes

only maths though

imagine python tutoring lol

[tall ermine]

11 methods?

[rare patrol]

nah

10 meth and math adv

[tall ermine]

no don't go to python tutoring

it's shit

[rare patrol]

everything that i'm doing

[tall ermine]

u know why?

[rare patrol]

haha it exists?

[tall ermine]

ye

[rare patrol]

no

[tall ermine]

they are trash af

[rare patrol]

well

[tall ermine]

if they were actually good at python, they would have worked for good company

and earn a lot more

[rare patrol]

maths had the chance to grow and develop with people from milleniums ago studying it

where python is like a few decades old(?)

[tall ermine]

unless uni student of course

[rare patrol]

hmm yea

[tall ermine]

ye

[rare patrol]

they'll probably be better than me

though

no contest

[tall ermine]

idk

[rare patrol]

what do you mean

[tall ermine]

i mean look at ms hatch

she was teaching python

"Your logic seems reasonable and I don't know what's wrong with it"

bruh

[rare patrol]

haha what

what the hell lol

she was teaching python?

since when?

last year?

[tall ermine]

ye

and i doubt if ms or mr munro can teach us more advance topic in VB we are doing in python

[rare patrol]

😬

thats rough

python and other programming languages are kinda cool though

its like learning an actual language but for computers

its rad

[tall ermine]

ye

[rare patrol]

very cool concept

and satisfying when you understand enough

[tall ermine]

yes

i should have learned java or something first

it's hard to learn other language once u learn python

[rare patrol]

rly?

[tall ermine]

the syntax is way too easy

[rare patrol]

haha thats good then

[tall ermine]

lol tru

[rare patrol]

well, not to learn other languages

but for python thats a plus

[tall ermine]

ye i can type faster

[rare patrol]

true

less characters you need to type

[tall ermine]

btw how many lines does your light up code has?

[rare patrol]

lemme check

probably very large considerin i don't give a second thought about length

[tall ermine]

my code is super messy

[rare patrol]

its kinda hard to say

yeah me too

[tall ermine]

i gave up in cleaning it up i don't have time

[rare patrol]

because i've got breaks in my code

don't bother

who cares

[tall ermine]

i need to move on

[rare patrol]

you?

its all the same output in the long run

[tall ermine]

rn 91

but the memory and the time tho

[rare patrol]

for actual projects maybe you do

but for a high school coding challenge?

nah

[tall ermine]

lol

[rare patrol]

not including name == "main"" 86

but i have breaks

[tall ermine]

like empty line?

[rare patrol]

three breaks

yes

[tall ermine]

i have it too

too lazy to count them

[rare patrol]

yea then 86

this is probably my largest python "file"

very large

[tall ermine]

i think this my second largest

[rare patrol]

hell no its not

what about the big 2 bot

and the ||password cracking|| program?

[tall ermine]

maybe the third then

[rare patrol]

hmm sure

[tall ermine]

lol

that one i gave up

[rare patrol]

maybe i should delete that

[tall ermine]

the first one it the big 2 bot

[rare patrol]

oh so that second largest one you completed

fair fair

wasn't big 2 something you did on grok?

[tall ermine]

and the second one is my custom statistic math module

[rare patrol]

that was cool

[tall ermine]

ye

[rare patrol]

ha ok

i had to force myself to stop doing week 3 prob 2

i need a break honestly

classes are a tough thing to wrap your head around

especially without prior experience

[tall ermine]

ye

[rare patrol]

you done classes?

[tall ermine]

i done it in random yt tutorial

i forgot tho

[rare patrol]

haha lol

fair enough

[quick ledge]

have you guys ever had a moment where you type in python general thinking it is an offtopic channel?

[spiral ridge]

once or twice

but then i realized it was general after reading the messages

[quick ledge]

I thought we were conversing about html and english in an offtopic

just realised it was python general

happens to me quite often actually

[spiral ridge]

yep, that was my fault

[obtuse falcon]

wut is fisk and why i shouldt read during drinkig coffe

[solid pollen]

Yeah, don't read @grim pelican while drinking coffee, that's a bad idea

[obtuse falcon]

su info fisk

wrong server

[grim pelican]

:)

[plucky ridge]

@sand goblet Correction on my previous correction. CrossCode DOES use Haxe. At least for the PS4 port. Looked at the licensing info again and it's just right there at the top.

[sand goblet]

Oh interesting, okay

[rough sapphire]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/10/9-georgia-students-test-positive-covid-19-viral-school-photo/3333280001/

Remember our talk yesterday...

A little bit

[undone berry]

Good airflow is one of the best way to stop it spreading - that corridor looks the opposite of good airflow

[rough sapphire]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/08/03/260-georgia-school-employees-tested-positive-exposed-covid-19/5571105002/

The sad thing is that I dont think anyone here is going to learn.

[obtuse falcon]

catsotrific faliure

[rough sapphire]

People here live in bubble where their political beliefs are religious almost.

And there is just nothing you can do about it

[obtuse falcon]

is sublime text or vsc better

[plucky ridge]

It's a matter of preference, and even then one might be better for a certain task than another

[rough sapphire]

I use vsc for web stuff these days.

Yeah.

I should correct that

for frontend stuff

[sand goblet]

I use vsc for documentation editing

and IDEA for everything else

[rough sapphire]

I need to look up the hotkeys in vsc for jumping to all the locations of a highlighted name. Im trying to interpret this Vue component I downloaded from github and its just really a mess. Its one massive component.

But its cool so Imma learn it

@sand goblet how feasible is it to learn kotlin without IDEA

[sand goblet]

You totally can

there are language servers for vsc and stuff

but on the other hand, kotlin and IDEA are designed to go together

you won't find a better combo

they're even created by the same company

[rough sapphire]

yeah my issue is i need something that isn't resource heavy

i'll try IDEA but it'll probably be too heavy

[obtuse falcon]

sublime text or notepad

[sand goblet]

I mean you'll be running a gradle daemon and the java/kotlin compilers too

[plucky ridge]

You can lighten it up a bit by turning off the code inspector

[sand goblet]

jvm work in general isn't light

[rough sapphire]

I mean

Notepad is barebones, IMO

So anything with added features is better

[sand goblet]

VS Code is neat but I've been having to compile plugins myself lately

[plucky ridge]

I like Sublime in general anyway

[sand goblet]

because they just don't work

some change they made internally

[rough sapphire]

i have vsc but i don't want to add extra complexity if i'm trying to pick up a new language

Do you remember which plugins?

it'd be like trying to run netbeans for python i guess?

[sand goblet]

The gradle plugin is one of them

I also had to roll the python plugin back a few versions

[rough sapphire]

do you think a usb linux boot could handle kotlin dev?

[sand goblet]

No

[rough sapphire]

damn

[sand goblet]

You need the RAM

[rough sapphire]

I just don't use VSCode for things where I have a better IDE, like PyCharm. Right now all Im running is Vetur.

as far as plugins

[sand goblet]

I'm using vscode for two reasons right now

1. I can use it on my chromebook via code-server

2. The RST plugin in IDEA is incredibly slow

like I legit get typing lag with it

[rough sapphire]

that's not very encouraging

[sand goblet]

everything else about it is fast

it's just the RST plugin

[obtuse falcon]

i use sublime text bacause my computer cant handle vsc but im lving it

[sand goblet]

ST isn't bad

it's the vim of gui tools really

[rough sapphire]

looks like kotlin dev is out of the window for me then

[sand goblet]

What're you running?

[rough sapphire]

usb linux on a low spec laptop

[obtuse falcon]

ubuntu 20.04

[rough sapphire]

ubuntu or manjaro won't make a difference if i need the ram

I used to live everyday thinking about what my computer could and couldnt do. Pretty much my entire life. This is if the first one Ive ever owned where I just completely stopped thinking about it.

I do have a laptop where I have to think about it still. But I mainly just use vim on that

[sand goblet]

I mean running off a USB is your first mistake

that's already naturally slow, and it has to load the entire thing into RAM to get any kind of speed

[rough sapphire]

it's literally my only option right now

yeah. I wouldnt do that unless I was buying sacks of poop on the dark web or something.

that was a joke btw

That sucks. I have been in situations where I had to use very old computers that couldnt do anything so I remember how that feels.

I just kind of quit doing a lot of things I did formerly for a while...

i can't do anything with javascript at the moment 😀

You get spoiled with a nice computer very quickly...

Thank god for old.reddit.com I guess.

coronavirus has really made this a hard year

Indeed.

Yeah

What is the origin of the word terminal in computing? Typically terminus reffers to a boundary.

I'm guessing its the end point connecting to a user?

[plucky ridge]

I'm pretty sure that's right

Just the concept of an endpoint

[gentle moss]

because if you use one you die

[rough sapphire]

lol

From that day on, you will be a social outcast. You will walk alone till your dying day.

[rough sapphire]

Ive adapted my browser workflow from scrolling throuygh many tabs in multiple firefox instances to just typing the tab I want in my url bar, and moving there instantly. It works no matter what virtual desktop the window is in. Its so good. I dont know how long I could have been doing this but its changed my life.

[solid pollen]

Unh that's smart

[rough sapphire]

Actually

Yeah

[rancid forge]

i just learned

intellij idea knows grammar

[sand goblet]

it has a whole grammar component yup

[rancid forge]

i was making a method like this: java public void theMethod(FakeClassStatus... // I got here and it auto-predicted statuses

[sand goblet]

yup yup

it's real good

it's particularly good with it in java

but it's great at it in kotlin too

[rancid forge]

i like idea for these things

makes creating my own subpar (replacement for) forge registry really nice

oh and im sitting here working on a 1.12 mod because

[sand goblet]

the heck are you replacing the vanilla registry for

[rancid forge]

no im just making a custom registry for a mod that im rewriting

[sand goblet]

okay but why

[rancid forge]

good question

[sand goblet]

who hurt you, my son

[rancid forge]

forge events

that's "who"

[sand goblet]

have you been using OnlyIn?

[sand goblet]

because never use @OnlyIn

[rancid forge]

i have not heard of @OnlyIn except maybe once or twice browsing forgecord or something

[sand goblet]

it's a rookie mistake

I mean using forge is also a rookie mistake

but yknow

[solid pollen]

I like the way your KDocs are rendered

[sand goblet]

yeah IDEA does that

[rancid forge]

I'd rather reinvent the wheel than make an event-driven registry as the only thing setup

[sand goblet]

although those are javadocs

or javaducks as we call them

[rancid forge]

when not in rendered form:

[solid pollen]

My IJ isn't doing that

[rancid forge]

after idea makes it look nice

i think you need to turn on something like "display rendered javadoc" or something

[solid pollen]

Hmm okay, I'll try that thanks

[rancid forge]

found it

Editor > General > Appearance > Render documentation comments

[ancient minnow]

What happened to fisk anyway? I haven't seen him for a long time on this server

He was always a great helper

[solid pollen]

He's still a bit active

Also #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[quick ledge]

maybe fisk read fisk while drinking

F

[ancient minnow]

Lol

[coarse hearth]

Question about HTML, JS and XSS: How to make that HTML <input type="hidden" name=... id=... value="{$templatevar}"> will not execute value JS when this is passed there (this variable is passed as query parameter)?

[rancid forge]

You could possibly wrap it in ' characters so the value, if seen as JS, would be interpreted as a standalone string (or " if you want " instead)
i don't know if that's what you mean but it's an idea

[honest star]

Huh, my university is requiring a negative covid test before being allowed back on campus. This should be interesting

[plucky ridge]

That's wise of them at least

[honest star]

Yeah, and they're at least offering free covid tests because they're now mandating this

[plucky ridge]

In theory at least

Sure sure

I think my only concern would be getting it while at the testing center

Then you just get a conga-line of infection

[honest star]

Ha, yeah. Get the test, returns negative, you actually get the virus shortly after the test

[plucky ridge]

Yep

That's been my worry, honestly

Hard to know if it's unfounded or not

[honest star]

Yeah. Huh, they're also requiring a daily online self screening form every day that you're going to be on campus

[plucky ridge]

With an accompanying USB rectal probe to measure your temp.

[undone berry]

My uni is completely remote next semester. Kinda sucks because I'm tied into renting a place here for at least 6months

[plucky ridge]

I'm confused

If it's remote how does your renting situation affect it/

[undone berry]

I could instead live at/near my mum's house and get free food

and also live in a less shit place

I just dislike the town/city my uni is in - it's boring shitty suburbia

[scenic blaze]

Why can't you do that even if you're remote?

[undone berry]

I can do that - i'm just annoyed that I already agreed/signed to rent a place near my university

[scenic blaze]

Oh rip

[half mural]

@lone verge my team dropped out unfortunately 😅

(can't talk in #728010915580084336 because of that)

[lone verge]

Oh :(, thats unfortunate

what was your idea going to be, originally

[rough sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZu084TPInE

[spiral ridge]

who codes like this

[half mural]

what was your idea going to be, originally
@lone verge A simple RPG with a React frontend as a visualization that is connected to the backend via an IRC bot that is running on an IRC server

[lone verge]

Dang thats pretty cool

who codes like this
@spiral ridge the guy in the video

[half mural]

I don't think anyone codes like that, which I have a feeling that that might be part of the joke

idk maybe that's just me

[lone verge]

yeah it is lol

[rough sapphire]

What are opinions about lodash? Is this a large library that slows things down excessively for the sake of short cuts or is it pretty good? I noticed that this girl is using it to shuffle an array which seems weird.

ah I actually like how its files are separated out so I can read them anyway and see how they are doing this stuff

[rough sapphire]

I dont think I have ever seen anything as unreadable as Vue apps. Its a pretty powerful way to make an app, and putting it together isnt that hard as you move through it, but once its there... its a mess.

[rough sapphire]

Its hard for me to follow reading it. But... I thought the same thing when I learned OOP, because it involves jumping around to every place that a name is mentioned. Im sure I will get used to it. I like it.

[rough sapphire]

I think what it is, is the order of execution isn't clear, and Im not used to that. Thats why you have to rely on these browser dev tools so much when doing this.

but yeah, its just that im new to it

[strange barn]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing
ctrl + d 🤣

[spiral ridge]

huh

[strange barn]

terminate the terminal

[scenic blaze]

Having an enum where there are two values that = 0 is stupid, right?

It doesn't work?

I mean, I guess they both evaluate to 0 in C, but not in Python the way this is written

typedef enum
{
    X_Channel_First = 0,
    X_Channel_Y =   X_Channel_First,
    X_Channel_Z,

Like, am I missing something or is this stupid

[strange barn]

if you want them to have the same purpose, that was stupid
if you want them to have different purposes, that was kind of a thing

also, they can be useful for storing cache for one of the vars

[round rose]

I had some use cases for several enum entries containing the same value, but that was in C# where enums are class-ish things

Enum.TryParse was awfully convenient for making console menus

[undone berry]

So the way I connect to Citrix for work is just fucked. I ring the help desk, and he takes me through the most nonsense support steps gonig - try a different browser, clear your history etc. I do just in case, and of course it doesn't work hoping at the end of it he'd escalate things. Nope. He just pretty much told me to fuck off

someone is fucking with me today. I try and look at the health dashboards of AWS and GCP to see if they're having issues - and neither will bloody load

[rancid forge]

yesterday somewhere, some people (including me) were talking about using applications with online code editors and things, well apparently https://python.org/shell also accepts it

[round rose]

oh god

[rancid forge]

well upon trying apt search tldr i was told the disk quota was exceeded

[round rose]

pythonanywhere has some heavy limitations on that and your permissions, yeah

[rancid forge]

well it does have vim preinstalled

and nano

[round rose]

It has a bunch of stuff installed because you are also allowed to just use bash directly via their website or an ssh connection

I remember tinkering around with it when my webserver kept fucking up

[rancid forge]

the programiz shell isn't nice but it works

trinket.io seems to be better at preventing us from doing things

ok i was wrong

their other editor is not as good

problem: for some reason some things aren't working, but at least i can bash

tutorialspoint.com has a partial way of blocking it, but i bet i can get through it maybe

[undone berry]

why not just use repl.it for online coding? It seems miles ahead of any other platform

[rancid forge]

and why would i do that when i already messed with it

[undone berry]

I dunno - not really sure what your goal is

[rancid forge]

me neither

apparently they also remove exec(

now im stumped

[solid pollen]

eval('os.sys' + 'tem("bash")'?

[undone berry]

syntax error

[rancid forge]

(that's in an eval)

[round zenith]

eval('os.sys' + 'tem("bash")')?

[rancid forge]

that's basically what im trying but i don't think i can just run code from an eval

[graceful basin]

you could try os.execlp('bash', 'bash')

[wheat lynx]

import os
x = 'syst' + 'em'
os.__dict__[x]
``` Seems to work

[graceful basin]

or do the syscall through ctypes

[wheat lynx]

Wait a second

Maybe we shouldn't be trying to break their thing

[celest nexus]

Their system was already broken

This is just shining a light on it

[rancid forge]

ok so wookie's idea does show that it can find the function, it just seems to do nothing when i run it (probably because it's like w3schools where you can't touch it while it's running)

[round zenith]

@rancid forge there's and stdin tab

Right next to code

[rancid forge]

sure but i don't know how to do things

[round zenith]

@rancid forge

[rancid forge]

but why would i do something like that

[round zenith]

Wasn't that what u were trying to do?

Run bash?

[rancid forge]

i was trying to see if i could escape to bash and interact with it live but that works

[round zenith]

You have to put all your commands in the stdin tab beforehand, but you can interact with bash

[rancid forge]

or i could just look at a 274-page document containing hundreds of commands and examples of how to use them

https://tldr.sh/assets/tldr-book.pdf

[round zenith]

I'm keeping the tldr book if u don't mind

@rancid forge

[rancid forge]

ok

ok new plan: discord bot that responds to !tldr

using discord.py because what else should i use

[round zenith]

@rancid forge https://github.com/yourWaifu/sleepy-discord

[rancid forge]

i don't understand c++

i barely understand java

and i barely understand python

[round rose]

A bot that responds to !tldr should be easy

[rancid forge]

that's what im working on

[round zenith]

@rancid forge you asked what else you should use 🤣

[rancid forge]

i mean

[round rose]

just cut the ! prefix, copy the line into a system call and redirect the output into a file that you then read and send a response from

That would be the simplest, albeit a hacky, solution

[rancid forge]

well i think it'd be better to just pull the db on occasion

[rough sapphire]

What will happen when you !tldr

?

[rancid forge]

wdym

[rough sapphire]

What will the bot say

[rancid forge]

it will respond with (hopefully) an embed of the tldr manpage

[rough sapphire]

Ah

[round rose]

https://github.com/tldr-pages/tldr-python-client

could be useful

[rancid forge]

that probably will be useful

[rough sapphire]

When do these channels' names change?

[round rose]

I assume midnight UTC

[rancid forge]

correct!

[rough sapphire]

FarmArt - 1 point

[round rose]

hell ye

[mortal ferry]

Generally the approach is that if it doesn't say you can't, then you can. But I don't know how hazy it actually is.

Can you link it?

Btw modmail would probably be a better place for this conversation

[plucky ridge]

What are you trying to do on the service?

Seems to be fair game, if the forums are anything to go by

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/poke-env-a-python-library-for-creating-showdown-battle-bots.3664459/#post-8470377

And you're right, the rules aren't overly explicit on the matter. My gut wants to say you could contact the Showdown folks to see if there's any API or what have you that you can tap into or if there's specific things they do or don't want you to do

[plucky ridge]

Not sure

I was just thinking using the like "Contact Us" link

[lunar shore]

Guys what is the difference between an unsigned 32 bit number and a 32 bit number?

Integer* not number

Oh

So it's only positive right?

I see

ty

[lunar shore]

Guys could I download rust libraries for offline use?

Instead of putting it into the dependencies part?

Nonono

I mean could I just download one for it to be ready?

Like maybe I want to use it in 10 projects

But I don't wanna spend my internet on all of them

Download the crate once , and use it everywhere I need offline

[plucky ridge]

Yep, same kind of deal as pip if I'm remembering correctly

[lunar shore]

So how could I?

Like download the .rs file

And put it in the same directory of my file?

[scenic blaze]

I would like to say "Fuck Windows"

[lunar shore]

So do I

[scenic blaze]

Windows decided right when I started up an important work call to be the perfect time to download and install windows updates in the background

[lunar shore]

Ooooof

[plucky ridge]

Always fun

[lunar shore]

It's getting smarter

[scenic blaze]

Meeting took twice as long as it needed to and I was killing processes left and right trying to stop it

[lunar shore]

lol

[scenic blaze]

"Oh, he's opening up his browser again, time to start downloading!"

[lunar shore]

@plucky ridge So how could I?
Like download the .rs file
And put it in the same directory of my file?

lol

[plucky ridge]

I'm honestly not sure off the top of my head

I haven't messed with Rust in months

[lunar shore]

Oh

Why? It's a cool language

[plucky ridge]

Because my interests have been focused elsewhere

[lunar shore]

Although my experience on it is like 3 hours , but I'm starting to love it

Oh

I see

[plucky ridge]

Been playing more with JavaScript and the like

It can do a lot more than I give it credit for

And other things that rhyme

[lunar shore]

I like JS too tho . But Rust as a low level is so cool

[plucky ridge]

Oh absolutely, I like Rust a lot as well

Just haven't had my hand in it lately

[lunar shore]

The syntax is like a high-level language . But it's used as low-level

I see

I guess I could do use library::method; where library.rs is in the same directory as my main.rs

Since all crates have a repo

I could download the source easily

[plucky ridge]

Yeah I really didn't get as far as I thought when I last played with it, so all that's a bit over my head

[lunar shore]

Or I could use the path kwarg

[plucky ridge]

I'm mostly seeing stuff for Cargo Workspaces

[lunar shore]

Like :

[dependencies]
library = {path = "myLib", version = "1.1"}

[plucky ridge]

But I think like Lukas said, when you initially snag them, they're stored and cached on your system, so you wouldn't necessarily be redownloading them every time

[lunar shore]

But I'd like to have them on my system , for when I go somewhere that I don't have internet access

Or maybe install them on a computer without internet

[plucky ridge]

That's what I'm saying

They're stored on your computer (cached) when you get them from cargo

[lunar shore]

ik

But

Maybe e.g I want to install them on our school computers which don't have internet access

Then I

I'd have to download them

[plucky ridge]

Ah, that makes more sense

[lunar shore]

From the repo

Yep

[plucky ridge]

Then yeah, I guess you'd just have the .rs files on a thumbdrive or something

[lunar shore]

kk thanks for help tho

[plucky ridge]

Yeppers

[lunar shore]

lol Rust actually feels like low-level JavaScript

To me*

The syntax

[plucky ridge]

Okay, I can kind of see that

[lunar shore]

And a little bit of Python . Like the package managing stuff

[plucky ridge]

But the general layout is fairly common

[lunar shore]

Oh thanks

[plucky ridge]

The whole function function_name() { } is pretty standard

[lunar shore]

Nono I don't mean that . Like the other things

Like idk the variable definition

[plucky ridge]

I mean... true, they do share let

But again, not super uncommon

[lunar shore]

It feels like js to me anyways

[plucky ridge]

That's fair

[lunar shore]

Yeah

[plucky ridge]

I try to section of languages into their own part of my brain

[graceful basin]

I feel like mutability and objects would be a big difference

[plucky ridge]

Otherwise I get a bad habit of mixing and matching when I really REALLY shouldn't

[lunar shore]

Well , mutability isn't even available to C or C++ even

I mean like setting the variable to be mutable

[plucky ridge]

What?

[graceful basin]

the order is just reversed

you default to mutable

[lunar shore]

I know that variables in C/C++ are mutable and can change . But you can't define them to be immutable

as far as I know

[graceful basin]

you have const

[lunar shore]

Well , rust has const too

But that's for another use

Mostly*

[graceful basin]

C const (in some places) is the same as rusts let

[lunar shore]

But what about rust's const?

[plucky ridge]

Oh huh, forgot that Rust const's can't be inferred

[graceful basin]

that is like C++ constexpr it seems

[lunar shore]

Oh lemme see . Thanks for all this information tho @rough sapphire

Well , rust is C with more low-level capabilities

[plucky ridge]

uhhhhhhhhhh

[lunar shore]

imo . I have 3 hours experience so don't expect much from me lol

[plucky ridge]

They're both incredibly powerful for different reasons

[lunar shore]

Well , yeah ngl

Yes?

[plucky ridge]

But I can't think of anything that Rust can do that C can't

[lunar shore]

No

I mean

As someone said (I guess @rough sapphire ?) It is safer than C at least

[plucky ridge]

Correct

It will force you to take care of branching paths

As well as prevent you from accessing parts of memory you shouldn't

[lunar shore]

So it could have more capabilities

[plucky ridge]

Again, no

It just means it has more checks and balances in place

[graceful basin]

it is really hard to make a language which can do something other langauges cannot

[lunar shore]

true

[graceful basin]

C and ASM are some of them because it currently is leading in really small binary sizes. Rust macros are space inefficient

[lunar shore]

But the ways languages do thing are different anyways

[graceful basin]

but IIRC there is a solution in the works

[plucky ridge]

To a point, yeah

[lunar shore]

What is ASM? haven't heard of it ngl

[plucky ridge]

Assembly

[lunar shore]

Oh

lol

[plucky ridge]

Essentially the step just above binary/machine code

[lunar shore]

I see

[plucky ridge]

And in fairness to Rust and its macros, it's still a relatively young language, all things considered

It'll be interesting to see how they work around that

[lunar shore]

Right

[graceful basin]

ye, it is not unsolvable by any means, the language is in active development

[lunar shore]

It's like 5 years since it came out?

[plucky ridge]

That sounds about right, can't remember off hand. Alright, enough of me being lazy, time to take care of the office shred.

[lunar shore]

I see

May 15th 2015

5 year

s

COBOL is 100 I guess

[graceful basin]

LISP is also really old

[lunar shore]

Python is like 20

Still older than me lol

[round zenith]

lisp 62 yo
@rough sapphire fortran 63

[lunar shore]

wow

[graceful basin]

I think fortran is pretty much the oldest lang still in active use

[lunar shore]

@rough sapphire I don't think so

It came out in 2000

as far as I know

[graceful basin]

python is in the 90s IIRC

[lunar shore]

Oh 1980

40 y.o

Actually 30

Not 40

Still , I never enjoyed learning a language as I am with rust

[graceful basin]

honestly, I really do not like the ; at end of lines

[lunar shore]

I do . I mean , it's about preference anyways

Like only Python and lua and Maybe JS don't have ;

They do tho , but like still no-one uses it

I said , maybe js

I like it actually

It makes it more like a "programming language"

XD

Well , I always hated that I couldn't download C++ libraries . Tho I love C++ . And Rust is like the good features of C++ + some JS

I was not able to use C++ libraries properly

And Rust is like adding a line to your file

Like when I first built from source , I was feeling like hackerman

I was so excited

Oh . idc about peoples bad opinions on me tho

Either them being toxic or anything

Oh . I'd rather Django

But I'll try it

Oh

So It's frontend?!?

wow

[round zenith]

It's more like JavaScript "replacement" on the frontend (client)
@rough sapphire js is annoying, so if there was a replacement it would be awesome

[lunar shore]

i see

@round zenith Undeniably true

wow

I'll definitely try it

wow

Is Rust a low-level language? lol it can do frontend and backend stuff too

I mean C could too

But like Front-end?

wow Nice

Well , I couldn't install C/C++ libraries anyways

And when I know Rust , I may not even use C/C++ ever again

I see

@rough sapphire Just curious tho , but are you a web dev? Or like what?

Oh

"Currently"?

Oh

Oh...I actually don't enjoy front-end

Nice

Like I know Vue.js , Javascript (ofc) and CSS/HTML but still I don't like it being "open-source" and like everyone being able to access it . Also I don't like the fact that it has to rely on backend for the data part . So I am a back-end dev myself and I like it (at least more than I do like front-end)

[plucky ridge]

What's wrong with open-source?

It's not that bad, honestly

Can just be tedious on more complex stuff, but the basic concept is fairly simple

[lunar shore]

I mean , that's not the main problem tho

It's just boring

[plucky ridge]

Eh

I suppose

[lunar shore]

Like if I was working at a company doing only Back-end , I'd never get bored . But me having to write 100 lines of fricking HTML and CSS is so boring

[plucky ridge]

But there's something to be said about making something look the best it can with a few lines

[lunar shore]

first of all , I suck at designing

[plucky ridge]

I never said I was good at it either

[lunar shore]

And even colormind.io couldn't help my design

But at least I could solve problems . And that's why I love back-end

Actually , I like back-end cause like 3 years ago when I learned HTML and CSS , ( I didn't even know JS! ) I was always looking at login pages , staring at the code for hours and not knowing how the hell are they saving data and accounts

Then I got familiar with PHP

The worst language ever made

But I still started to like it

And now I'm using Django and Flask

ORM is life-changing man

I hated having to write INSERT INTO user(username, password) VALUES('idk','password');

And when I learned Django , I thought I had to deal with these stuff . But nope!

yeah

Well , I don't hate Vue.js for SPAs , but like ... Front-end is boring for me

I see

It's better than trying to center a div for long hours

Well , I usually just add a center tag

But still , such a pain

Yeah

Position absolute be like Nope

xd

I don't like Fullstack dev , but I'm on for a backend job

But I don't have the legal age to work so not for now

I mean , I like some other aspects of coding too tho!

Like I enjoyed GUi using Kivy

And wxPython

Or like gamedev

But still I'm mainly a Back-end

Yeah . But not with Python , I use love2d

But Python itself is slow

So still not good

love2d is written in C , you can code in lua . So a fast framework/engine

And it's more problem solving than syntax

I like that

But games need to be performant

If they are "games"

And lua has better libraries for game dev than Python

Like bump , anim8 ....

ikr , It felt weird for me too at first

But you know , it's very embedable

And lightweight

And fast

Not as fast as C

But fast

lol

Well , I'd rather love2d than any python game library

I tried Pyglet, Pygame, Arcade, Cocos2d, Panda3d but they were not my type

Maps? they're not . They are a table . So like :

local map = {
{1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0},
{0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1}
}

And there is a tool called TILED which can generate maps from a GUI

You draw the map , you get a table

Oh

Yes they are

They are weird

Like __index

idk

I am not much familiar with them . Just some knoweledge

Yeah true

setmetatable and so much more you have to deal with

Rust is the best , correct me if wrong

Maybe

[lost knoll]

бд is russian for db

🤔

[round rose]

The actual words are really similar to their english counterparts as well

It's essentially just "base of data" instead of "database"

[rough sapphire]

Ive been stuck longer than I care to admit on this

I should have had
import { mapState } from 'vuex'

but I had
import mapState from 'vuex'

[sand goblet]

ah, yup, javascript

[rough sapphire]

Does Python have anything similar to that? Thats a named export?

[sand goblet]

Nope

[rough sapphire]

as opposed to the default

[sand goblet]

It has named imports, not named exports

[rough sapphire]

ah right

do you have to export that name in vuex.js though for example

[sand goblet]

https://github.com/TeamJM/webmap-client/blob/master/src/main/js/api.js

[rough sapphire]

the import system is pretty weird coming from python but i think i get it.

[sand goblet]

note the export keyword usage

[rough sapphire]

ah as opposed to export default

See, when I first saw that syntax I thought it was just a way of getting multiple things from a module

similar to from x import (y, z)

[sand goblet]

yup

but you can't import things that haven't been exported

not using ES6 modules anyway

also hey you got an avatar

[rough sapphire]

That makes sense. And the export default syntax just allows you to omit the curly braces?

and grab the entire module

[plucky ridge]

I hate that the package you're importing from is second

[rough sapphire]

Very strange import/export system but I think i get it enough.

[plucky ridge]

Just feels so backwards

[rough sapphire]

I get it. And then, just make sure to export anything you import. I suppose in that way its fairly explicit no matter what file you're in what something is for.

If something is there to be exported, you know it

Ive been having a lost of trouble today with es-lint and indentation expectations.

I almost just want it to stop.

Its not helping by weird about 2 vs 4 spaces on indents.

I typically use 2 spaces between html indents and 4 in js

and maybe that is why it cries constantly

The most truly bewildering thing about it is that every other file is fine the way it is and it doesnt care. But suddenly one file is just all this

Its pretty dumb.

It doesnt usuaslly help. Maybe Ill try it and close the edtior after and reopen the files

npm run serve

and then it updates as I work.

So I dont actually run the linter manually. So sometimes it just decides that something I did is breaking that indent rule. And I havent figured out what it is that fixes it yet. Ive been dealing with it all day. Essentially what I do is... I open .editorconfig and change indent from 2 to four. Then I change it from 2 to 4 at the bottom and press CTRL + SHIFT + I (in linux this autoformats). Then I close the server, then I run npm run serve --fix again. Then I repeat this in circular patterns and eventually something makes it stop.

And it repeatedly occurs again later.

For reasons I cant identify either.

I almost would like to just turn it off entirely.

ohh.

there is.

okay then lol

But lets see if this makes my files look terrible.

I'm okay with it. I would prefer if it understood that I like 2 spaces in my HTML under <template> but 4 under <script>

But thanks that helps

It does.

It formats my code with indents that are not my favorite...

but works so its fine

  "scripts": {
    "serve": "vue-cli-service serve",
    "build": "vue-cli-service build",
    "lint": "vue-cli-service lint"
  },

that is what i did to fix it

I like vue-cli

It has made learning all these tools that go into it easier than it was for me to figure it out manually.

Ah I see

Like webpack, etc.

where is that, all I could find is .editorconfig. Do I jsut write a new one?

ohhhh yeah im dumb its there

i somehow missed this file all day.

So... what is the significance of module.exports = {} vs normal export?

weird. JS is weird af. Im getting more used to it tho.

ah ok

Ive seen that before

nice thank you haha

Maybe I will like eslint more than I realized.

Thats telling it to error as opposed to warn?

err

as opposed to warn

Its breaking my lint command trying to put it under rules but ill figure it out...

  rules: {
    'no-console': process.env.NODE_ENV === 'production' ? 'warn' : 'off',
    'no-debugger': process.env.NODE_ENV === 'production' ? 'warn' : 'off',
    'vue/script-indent': ['error', 4]
  }

If I remove the last line it works. With it, it does this

npm ERR! code ELIFECYCLE
npm ERR! errno 1
npm ERR! vue-pets@0.1.0 lint: `vue-cli-service lint`
npm ERR! Exit status 1
npm ERR! 
npm ERR! Failed at the vue-pets@0.1.0 lint script.
npm ERR! This is probably not a problem with npm. There is likely additional logging output above.

npm ERR! A complete log of this run can be found in:
npm ERR!     /home/shaen/.npm/_logs/2020-08-11T22_59_11_823Z-debug.log

the log doesnt have anything that is incredibly obvious to me....

Maybe it will be more obvious to someone else

But yeah it works if I take that out

module.exports = {
  root: true,
  env: {
    node: true
  },
  extends: [
    'plugin:vue/essential',
    '@vue/standard'
  ],
  parserOptions: {
    parser: 'babel-eslint'
  },
  rules: {
    'no-console': process.env.NODE_ENV === 'production' ? 'warn' : 'off',
    'no-debugger': process.env.NODE_ENV === 'production' ? 'warn' : 'off'
  }
}

not manually, but this is the default from vue-cli

I'll probably play with some other linting options and see if they work

sure

It still errors but it finds all the indent errors before it does, it just doesnt fix them now. Im gonna play with it a bit and see what I can get it to do

yeah its cool, as long as I have a way to get it to stop telling me there are indent problems I can get over my particularities.

So Ive been learning vue, bootstrap-vue, vue-router, and now vuex. There are still a lot of things in vuex i havent covered yet.

But what else is important after that?

It seems like by then Ill be ready more or less.

Right, I dont plan to learn every one of its components but they are useful. They make use of slots a lot.

yeah

I havent learned mutations or actions yet. Mainly just the store of global data which seems pretty handy, otherwise youre passing stuff between components way too much.

I'll have to look up the mutations and actions next and then I think im done and just need to build something.

[exotic musk]

Hello.

https://gist.github.com/TheZehn/182b05dfcde4331315c453b63af1a3f9

Is this plausible?

what does it do?
@rough sapphire

Automatically sends you a notification when someone connects to your WIFI

Does it work?

No.

[rough sapphire]

I can feel JavaScript coming to be part of my identity similarly to how Python has become, but its different. Python3 is like my religion. Its my weapon of choice. But Vue is going to open up possibilities... and I actually don't hate it. Its definitely a necessity, a means to an end. It's not something I look and think, "O, magnificent beauty" and quote its founders, etc. But... it is going to make me use JavaScript a lot more than I was before.

Ive known JS for a while more or less. I just didnt see any reason to use it for anything. It was more work than it was worth and tended towards being a complete mess. And most of the solutions to that problem are over engineered to be honest. In a lot of ways, theyre bad solutions. But they are the best thing wew have for interfacing with users right now.

I still think its insane to write a website that is mostly writing (like reddit, blogs, etc) with a frontend framework.

But these days if you want to reach users with applications (not websites, if youll humor me that there is a difference), the most likely way is over https

So it just is what it is

Vue is the first experience Ive had with liking JS. Maybe its just growing on me

That doesnt make it better.

I mean, for things that you need to have an interactive app with the user, by all means, its the only way we have to do that. But if your website is just content.... No, its really not. Its treating documents like they are apps when they are documents.

[lofty dirge]

HTTPS is a protocol

[rough sapphire]

If you are serving a document, just render and serve a document

Its more lite to do it on a server

[lofty dirge]

if you are serving one document, render and serve, if you are serving many, no, constantly sending complete pages sucks

[rough sapphire]

It is.

[lofty dirge]

SPAs are not current hotness because "It's pretty" but "It's better user experience"

[rough sapphire]

The best example of what im talking about is reddit.

Thats a delusion.

[lofty dirge]

even business apps are expecting SPA type performance

[rough sapphire]

Its better if what you are serving is literally an app.. For example, what we are using right now is an app. It makes perfect sense that this is running on a frontend framework.

Reddit... Wordpress... etc

Not at all

Makes 0 sense.

Im just giving examples.

Even Facebook and Tumblr are better of not being frontend.

The UX for me when I use these types of apps is... "I'm trying to look at this. The app is trying to direct me away to look at that."

Thats not a good user experience.

Just give me the content and leave me alone

Thats how I prefer to view content.

Now if Im playing a game, or doing a quize, or typing in a chatroom

Yeah, that needs to be reactive

Its a lot of blinking if you're losing users on slowers devices, from far away regions of the world, etc... when youre making massive web apps for no reason. Because its easier?

Thats my issue.

Im not saying they arent great for when they are great. I just think that people assume thats the way you start with any web project. It shouldnt be.

Yeah, I agree thats the best way, thats how I do mine (pelican), though I never update it haha.

But I didnt start saying this to be angry at JS. Im actually really enjoying learning Vue as I said and I think it will make a lot of things possible for me that I couldnt make before.

But... I still think the frameworks are over used

Because people assume their users need this shitty experience

lol

I like old reddit.

Thats all i know

Thats not my primary concern with Reddit. The thing I hate about it in its current state is that its trying to cosntantly direct me to the next thread. I feel like I have to fight reddit to show me the discussion in a thread.

Its like, "Nahhm you wanted the next thing right?"

You click on more comments

It shows you a few, then "Next post right?"

Its annoying

So that reminds me...

Remember when you told me not to use <v-for="(thing, index) in things" :key="index">?

Ive since seen a bunch of people doing it.

Why is that bad?

So generally you just need to manually put an id in all your objects

yeah

It seems like it would have to be wouldnt it?

ah

I dont think they would go out of their way to make the object have an id attribute if they could just cram a index in there

So that makes sense

a lot of people do that though

It seems to indicate that there are performance gains if you dont need to do it.

All I know is the test quiz app I built the other day was massively only the size that it recommended and Im going to have to learn how to reduce the file size at some point. I cant remember what the numbers were but I want to say the chunk file was like 800kb. For a dumb quiz app.

I can only imagine if it was a real ass app

lol

Ill have to learn about those

ohh

right

I do that with some of these components in this app im doing now

is there a way to incorporate gzipping into the build tools?

It probably already does it, yeah, it does everything I could think of to reduce size lol.

And more things

You know I used to think that people were intentionally obscuring their code when they would rename the variables and put the entire thing on one line

I didnt understand it was because these apps are so massive

lol

[rough sapphire]

actions call mutations which update state... Damn.

I'm fried out on programming, Ive been doing it all day.

I mean, really its lessons in programming more than real programming which is different. but Ive been doing lessons all day.

Ahhh

[rough sapphire]

export default {
// These are the same:
//  addItem: (context, item) => {
//      context.commit('appendItem', item)
    addItem: ({ commit }, item) => {
        commit('appendItem', item)
    }
}

This is weird.

So...

if you have an object or a module that contains some names or whatever, doing { blah, blaaaaah } just destructures it and grabs those names out.

And you can do that probably anywhere Im guessing.

[rough sapphire]

yee

[rancid forge]

storm where im in blue circle

[round rose]

oof

[rancid forge]

at least there's no purple

in my circle that is

[cold current]

It hasn't rained where I am in what feels like a month

[rancid forge]

we've been getting rain for what seems like every other week

and i mean when there's rain in the forecast, it's there for the entire week

[round rose]

we get rain every other day, used to be daily a month ago :/

[cold current]

Literally, I've been told by the forecast it's supposed to rain "tomorrow" for like 5 days in a row, now

Has not rained

[thin viper]

I'm searching for a linux tool that hosts a terminal on a website (if that makes sense). Basically I want another computer on the same network to be able to open a website and there should be a full terminal there. Basically like ssh'ing into that computer but with a browser

(I'm aware of how insecure this is)

[cold current]

I mean you could just spin up something with flask

Or maybe you could eval nc on port 80?

This is terrifying, though, please do none of this and just use ssh

[thin viper]

Certain computers at my company have the terminal and everything else that's "useful" disabled. The browser works however and I would like to access another pc from these computers as well

I thought that perhaps someting like this already exists since it's not that crazy of an idea

[plucky ridge]

I'd be wary about trying to circumvent security measures that your workplace has set up

That's a good way to lose a job

[cold current]

Hah, yep.

Can't you telnet through some browsers...?

I remember doing something telnet-like awhile ago

[thin viper]

Well, I'm part of the IT team that set this exact measure up. It's just that when I'm working on a "restricted" computer i'd have to have another laptop with me in order to have full access

[plucky ridge]

Ah okay, that makes more sense

[thin viper]

it's not a permanent solution, obviously

[plucky ridge]

And there's no like.... admin account override or something?

[cold current]

Yea, what's up with that?

[thin viper]

not that I'm aware of, it's not exactly a modern company

[plucky ridge]

Well sure but usually there's just another user account specific for IT

[cold current]

Not everyone works for a company that has their shit together ;]

[thin viper]

I know what you mean, but I believe our system was set up by someone who didnt exactly know what he was doing

[plucky ridge]

What OS?

[thin viper]

windows

[cold current]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Windows

Beaten to it

[plucky ridge]

What version I mean

[thin viper]

some 10, some 7

the restricted ones are windows 10 mostly, I believe

[plucky ridge]

Are those 7 machines still networked and communicating with your 10s?

Because that's a huge security hole

7 got sunset at the start of this year

[thin viper]

yeah, this system is definitely in need of a general overhaul

well, thanks for your help anyway

[plucky ridge]

Yeah sorry I couldn't be of more use

[lofty dirge]

Windows Admin Center

[plucky ridge]

@rough sapphire Okay, so

Programming and moon landing

[rough sapphire]

yes please

[plucky ridge]

All of the various systems on the shuttles require some sort of coding, either written software or boards with the logic baked into them, in order for thing to function. Managing oxygen release, thrusters, calculating trajectory, relaying radio signals back to the base on earth, that sort of stuff

[rough sapphire]

oh

so like what kinda

IDE or language do they use

it’s def a low level lang

right ?

[lofty dirge]

assembly or C most likely

[plucky ridge]

That I'm not quite sure. Like I said, some of them were straight up wired by hand to do the functions they needed

[rough sapphire]

damn no wonder they get paid so much 😂

assembly lang tho

well can’t modern day engineers just copy the source code from the apollo landing and use it today

[plucky ridge]

They wouldn't want to

[lofty dirge]

Source code for Apollo computers is available

[rough sapphire]

cuz it’s outdated ?

[lofty dirge]

https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11

[plucky ridge]

Partially, and also because that code was custom made for that particular shuttle

[rough sapphire]

ohhhhb

[plucky ridge]

It's one of those like.... hand crafted pieces that it's hard to replicate reliably

[rough sapphire]

i would really appreciate if @plucky ridge or @lofty dirge could teach me more about python whenever you’re free

like ik basic stuff

[quick ledge]

spaceX used C and C++

[rough sapphire]

but not that kinda advance shit

[plucky ridge]

I can guide you to some resources.

[quick ledge]

python for testing

[rough sapphire]

yes pls do

[quick ledge]

and html,javascript on chromium for their ui

[scenic blaze]

There are lots of uses for C but ASM it's harder to pinpoint where you really need THAT level of improvement over C

[rough sapphire]

C uses compiling right

[plucky ridge]

!resources We've got a whole page dedicated to good beginner resources. We have everything from sites and books to YouTube videos. A popular site is Automate the Boring Stuff

[rough sapphire]

or interpreter

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[scenic blaze]

Also, good morning everyone 👋

[plucky ridge]

Can use either, but compilation is the more common thing you'll see with C

[scenic blaze]

You'll C with C

[plucky ridge]

Yeah I was thinking it when I was typing it

[rough sapphire]

great talk with u hemlock

[plucky ridge]

But I was in educator mode so I couldn't bring myself to lay down the sick puns

Always happy to help

[rough sapphire]

if u can just forward me some resources

other than that

[scenic blaze]

There's a LOT of resources there

[plucky ridge]

The bot link I just sent has tons of stuff on it

Stuff that we've hand picked because we feel its some of the best that's out there

[scenic blaze]

How are you today Hem?

[frail iris]

lemon tree plus I got this brown on me curly yellow dancin on fishy smell a greenum fish strip on a dancin floor frek as she wanna be

[lunar shore]

Rust is best among all low-levels

Tho C is the mother of all , rust is still the best

It's a bit hard to get used to tho

[scenic blaze]

Has anybody tried coding while laying in bed and did it work

[lunar shore]

Not in the morning , but I did

And it was ... well ... Not so healthy for my neck

[cold current]

I have done it before when I was behind a deadline, and it's not pleasant @scenic blaze

[lunar shore]

Just sit and code

[cold current]

But mainly because I had to use a laptop, and I don't work well on laptops

Well they said "laying in bed"

Not "sitting in bed"

[undone berry]

Has anybody tried coding while laying in bed and did it work
@scenic blaze
Yes and no

[scenic blaze]

rip. I'll just try to wake up more and code at my desk

[undone berry]

That's a good idea

Go drink coffee or red bull or caffeinated water

[lunar shore]

Yeah

[undone berry]

Or amphetamines

[cold current]

Caffeinated water?