godlygeek, what do you work as?
I'm a backend developer on a team that makes infrastructure-level Python libraries available for use by other Python developers in the company. I write more C++ than Python, because the job involves a lot of exposing existing in-house libraries that were originally written in C++ for use in Python, but a lot of both.
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
solid elbow
empty prism
here's what else you learn going into a coding job: no one knows what they're doing, not all the time
sometimes not even most of the time
quick ledge
I'm a backend developer on a team that makes infrastructure-level Python libraries available for use by other Python developers in the company. I write more C++ than Python, because the job involves a lot of exposing existing in-house libraries that were originally written in C++ for use in Python, but a lot of both.
damnn. cool
lost frigate
My biggest project is 7 lines I think
solid elbow
here's what else you learn going into adulthood: no one knows what they're doing, not all the time
ftfy
floral viper
I wrote a magnificent 7 lines the other day. I was so proud!
soft violet
@lost frigate You're contributing to the conversation. In doing so, you're lessening peoples' sense of isolation, maintaining their emotional health, which, in turn, is conducive to practical productivity.
empty prism
I really wanna get back into C++, I feel like the optimization stuff I learned from it was invaluable. But python is so much easier...
scenic blaze
Huh, we do a lot of similar work. At least I am right now, gg
empty prism
good edit
lost frigate
Yah
soft violet
@lost frigate Make no mistake. You're being useful just by chatting.
lost frigate
U raise a pint tho
quick ledge
I'm a backend developer on a team that makes infrastructure-level Python libraries available for use by other Python developers in the company. I write more C++ than Python, because the job involves a lot of exposing existing in-house libraries that were originally written in C++ for use in Python, but a lot of both.
will the individual developer/team(idk the term to use lol) approach you with the request to make the library?
scenic blaze
I'm in the same place
Idk how I'm going to go to anything else, Python has been so damn easy
strange barn
Idk how I'm going to go to anything else, Python has been so damn easy
@scenic blaze It is
lost frigate
I’m literally good at like 3 things talking gaming and fixing stuff
empty prism
it's also easy to prefer a language when you have to use it every day anyway
lost frigate
That’s it
empty prism
hey those are valuable skills
empty prism
I don't know a single engineer who didn't get in trouble for taking things apart at one time or another...
some more gracefully than others
solid elbow
will the individual developer/team approach you with the requeset to maek the library?
Nah, we're a pretty small team, and we serve a huge number of internal users. My company has ~6k developers. For the most part, we "know" what libraries are most important. There was a big, internal tool that was a very useful, but not very maintainable, hack - a Python 2.6 build that was statically linked with a bunch of in-house libraries, directly into the interpreter binary. We're working on getting people off that as our biggest, most critical step, and so the first step is providing modern alternatives for all of the libraries that were supported by that monolith.
strange barn
everyone's mind is more calm right now, i love it
empty prism
6k devs holy geez
scenic blaze
I'm constructing in-house libraries based off of C or matlab code atm
lost frigate
Damn
solid elbow
yeah - we're pretty huge. ~30k employees, ~6k developers.
empty prism
heh, yeah, we def all moved off of python 2.x by now, right guys?
soft violet
Heh.
scenic blaze
I'm all by my lonesome though
lost frigate
Yup
scenic blaze
Which is bad and great
empty prism
man that's crazy... we have... uh 8 devs rn I think
empty prism
six must be a friend of yours
strange barn
😄
@solid elbow wow how can you do that
solid elbow
six is a friend of mine 🙂
scenic blaze
That sounds like it takes knowledge
soft violet
I mean, I started in py3, but mm. Dream on. I still see people on 2.
strange barn
*2.x and 3.x
scenic blaze
Wait does that mean you don't get the walrus
empty prism
yeah don't tell anyone but 90% of our application code is on 2.7
lost frigate
Lol
strange barn
Python 2 would be more unpopular when python 4 came
empty prism
we're upgrading things but covid has turned that already huge project on its head
lost frigate
Yup
empty prism
don't say python 4, pls I'm not ready
strange barn
yeah don't tell anyone but 90% of our application code is on 2.7
@empty prism Hmmmm
solid elbow
there are libraries that assist, like six. For the most part, after Python 3.3, it's not too difficult. The hardest part is unicode and byte strings (which six.ensure_binary and six.ensure_text help with) and modules that have been renamed (which six.moves.queue and the like help with)
empty prism
oh my god dealing with strings between 2 and 3 is a nightmare
moreso when nobody knows how encoding works so you get a mess of encodes and decodes everywhere
solid elbow
That sounds like it takes knowledge
I know both Python and C++ better than average. My knowledge of Python is higher, because C++ is a massive language, but to wrap libraries written in one language for use in another, you need to know both reallly well.
lost frigate
I always used be the smartest in school with like straight A’s and how I’ll get one maybe 2 and the 3 things I’m best at is y
solid elbow
Wait does that mean you don't get the walrus
Yes.
lost frigate
Like idk what to do
strange barn
Walrus
empty prism
our more updated code is on 3.5 😦 I miss walruses and f strings
lost frigate
What’s walrus?
strange barn
I use 3.8
lost frigate
Same
strange barn
What’s walrus?
@lost frigate :=
empty prism
@lost frigate That's part of growing up for a lot of us...
lost frigate
Wdym
solid elbow
@lost frigate That was me, too. Coasted through high school, and was surprised to find that I had to actually apply myself to get anything useful out of college.
empty prism
You got plenty of time, but take this as a warning from us: don't wait to get yourself back in gear as much as you can. It'll make your life soooooooo much easier
strange barn
if there's another covid rumor on this channel i'll gonna say ||frozen cake||
empty prism
don't you do it
solid elbow
wasted a lot of college, finally got my act together when I failed a class
@empty prism I should have failed a class, went to the professor after the add/drop deadline, and begged for help. He gave me a C I didn't earn.
lost frigate
Trust me I try HARD
soft violet
@lost frigate Assigns and returns. x := 1 resolves to 1 while also assigning 1 to x.
strange barn
@empty prism I should have failed a class, went to the professor after the add/drop deadline, and begged for help. He gave me a C I didn't earn.
@solid elbow that's sad man
empty prism
college professors are a mixed bag, some will do everything in their power to help you, some love to watch you drown
solid elbow
Trust me I try HARD
If you're used to being the smartest person in the room, it may be that you don't actually know how to learn. A lot of college for me was learning how to learn.
lost frigate
@lost frigate Assigns and returns.
x := 1resolves to 1 while also assigning 1 to x.
@soft violet ?
strange barn
If you're used to being the smartest person in the room, it may be that you don't actually know how to learn. A lot of college for me was learning how to learn.
@solid elbow wise words
empty prism
^
lost frigate
If you're used to being the smartest person in the room, it may be that you don't actually know how to learn. A lot of college for me was learning how to learn.
@solid elbow u raise a fair point
solid elbow
@solid elbow that's sad man
@strange barn I mean, I did work with him to learn the material, so it's not as though I was just gifted the grade - but, he only wound up counting my scores for assignments from the point I started talking to him on, or something like that. I wound up learning most of the material, but wasn't graded on the same scheme as everyone else, I guess.
empty prism
learning how to study is so invaluable, but it's a skill that takes practice
lost frigate
Like the class I’m good at is math
strange barn
Like the class I’m good at is math
@lost frigate we're math pals rn i think
empty prism
As someone who loved math but one of the lowest graded students in my last math class of high school... I think I know where this is going
lost frigate
I can learn anything I want to except for the subjects in school. Even out of school if I wanna learn those things I just can’t
solid elbow
the class I deserved to fail was a college statistics class. And this after I took a high school AP stats class. I thought I had it, and I very much didn't.
empty prism
stats is such a different breed
strange barn
the class I deserved to fail was a college statistics class. And this after I took a high school AP stats class. I thought I had it, and I very much didn't.
@solid elbow well, here you are, learning statistics and python. Good luck being a data scientist! 👍
lost frigate
Imma go watch YouTube cya guys later
soft violet
@lost frigate You know how if you type 1 in your live python console and you get 1 back? Well x := 1 returns 1 in that same way. While also assigning the value of 1 to the variable name, x.
solid elbow
I still barely grasp linear algebra, Bee 😉
empty prism
godspeed dude, don't get caught
strange barn
I still barely grasp linear algebra, Bee 😉
@solid elbow grasp it with the help of yt
floral viper
Oh man I missed a convo on math :(
empty prism
I maintained enough from my linear algebra class to make some cool boids... that's about it
pucch, you can make a convo on math
math it up
solid elbow
it's not presently relevant to my job (and by god I hope it never is). You kids and your youtube
lost frigate
How can I join this server in my main?
solid elbow
I'm shocked to find that there are people who use youtube for something other than killing time, heh
lost frigate
Cuz I don’t remember how I got here anymore
empty prism
you should be able to find an invite link around here somehwere
soft violet
@lost frigate Pardon?
strange barn
well stats can be useful for debugging vars 🤷♂️
lost frigate
This is an alt
floral viper
I recently learned about this thing called pca. Really neat thing for investigating what factors effect a system the most
quick ledge
Nah, we're a pretty small team, and we serve a huge number of internal users. My company has ~6k developers. For the most part, we "know" what libraries are most important. There was a big, internal tool that was a very useful, but not very maintainable, hack - a Python 2.6 build that was statically linked with a bunch of in-house libraries, directly into the interpreter binary. We're working on getting people off that as our biggest, most critical step, and so the first step is providing modern alternatives for all of the libraries that were supported by that monolith.
oh cool
empty prism
16k online 👀
strange barn
everyone 🤣
empty prism
what's PCA?
solid elbow
@quick ledge technically we've already migrated all of them off of 2.6 and onto 2.7 so that's... well, better than nothing? 😄
empty prism
I mean that's... something
floral viper
@empty prism https://youtu.be/FgakZw6K1QQ
solid elbow
steps in the right direction, at least.
empty prism
it's at least LTS python or something like it. I mean, no so much the S part anymore but
quick ledge
@quick ledge technically we've already migrated all of them off of 2.6 and onto 2.7 so that's... well, better than nothing? 😄
yeah that's something
empty prism
What a nice jingle this video has
brazen zenith
Bois I’m back
empty prism
wb duder
brazen zenith
But
floral viper
That channel is awesome. So much good stuff in a very well explained formar
solid elbow
I'm not lying when I say that I'm shocked to see how many people are using YouTube videos as their primary way of learning. As someone who was an adult when YouTube was created, this is not a future I would have guessed at.
brazen zenith
Me being dark Angel must not leave this chat
brazen zenith
lol
strange barn
lol
empty prism
@solid elbow I never thought I'd be so outpaced by youngins' use of technology the way my parents were but... it's happening
brazen zenith
How old even r u guys?
strange barn
YouTube : 2005
brazen zenith
I remember the old logo that looked like an old TV set
strange barn
How old even r u guys?
@brazen zenith actually, don't even ask to expose personal info here
solid elbow
I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too
Abe Simpson
brazen zenith
Srry
empty prism
just a reminder to you guys that people born in 2000 are almost old enough to drink
brazen zenith
Lol
floral viper
I am also part of the pre www generation but I try to adapt as much as possible. Definitely getti g harder though with kids these days being so dang quick
brazen zenith
I bet I’m the youngest
solid elbow
@brazen zenith I'm 34. I was in college when YouTube came out.
soft violet
Depending on where you are in the world and adherence to statute. @empty prism
empty prism
I try not to worry about coding jobs getting harder to find as I get older with kids learning younger and younger
try being the key word here
solid elbow
In the past decade I've switched from the uncomfortable feeling of being the youngest guy on the team to the uncomfortable feeling of being the old timer on the team 😄
brazen zenith
Lol
empty prism
@soft violet good point, sometimes forget that the US is one of the older places for drinkin laws
strange barn
discord : 2016?
floral viper
@empty prism I would recommend finding one of them really tricky dev jobs. On my job it takes so long to learn the system properly that they cant replace you with a youngling
empty prism
discord has grown so much, I'm honestly impressed that it hasn't completely collapsed and they seem to be shaking off their startup skin pretty well
strange barn
discord has grown so much, I'm honestly impressed that it hasn't completely collapsed and they seem to be shaking off their startup skin pretty well
@empty prism no ads
solid elbow
The last time I needed to fill a job opening, we gave up. More developers does not scare me.
soft violet
@empty prism My first experience with being drunk can be attributed to the overenthusiastic inclusion of brandy in the Christmas pudding. I was 12.
brazen zenith
Lol
empty prism
@floral viper I'm hoping my knowledge of the medical field will help me find something new if I have to. Not a field I exactly want to be stuck in, but it's not the worst
solid elbow
discord has grown so much
I'm annoyed they don't give you a way to put pronouns in your profile, given my non-gendered username.
empty prism
I hope they do eventually
brazen zenith
True
solid elbow
there's an open issue about it which they seem to not care at all about.
empty prism
:/ that's disappointing
quick ledge
maybe they don't want to gender
solid elbow
in a way that suggests that they don't care about the "adults talking to other adults like reasonable human beings" demographic.
brazen zenith
They prolly expect u to @ everyon instead of saying he she or whatever
quick ledge
@brazen zenith true
solid elbow
I've been doing that for a while, but some people don't seem to like being @ 'ed
floral viper
The kids are correct
empty prism
I also worry about some of the, uh, crowd discord caters to making a fuss about it
brazen zenith
Like ppl my age we just kinda know when we r being talked to by others of r age
floral viper
We old farts are stuck in our he/she thinking
empty prism
you type kinda different somehow I think
brazen zenith
14
quick ledge
im 17 fwiw
solid elbow
some shit buried in your profile where someone who wants to find it can shouldn't bother anyone.
empty prism
shouldn't, and yet...
solid elbow
I get a lot of "they", which bothers me, in a way that I know shouldn't bother me, because it's nowhere near what non-binary people deal with every day, and yet...
anyway, I wish Discord were better about it.
empty prism
be better, Discord
brazen zenith
I remember the days before boosting and there was only one nitro
floral viper
Son, I remember the days before discord. We had this bs called msn. And before that there was icq and irc
brazen zenith
Wish I had known about it sooner
solid elbow
I remember ICQ, and WinAmp!
empty prism
AIM and Teamspeak were my gotos
floral viper
Discord is like heaven compared to the old shit I grew up with
brazen zenith
For me and the boys it was roblox😂 we’d tell each other to hop on Minecraft or we’d just play Roblox
soft violet
IRCs are still active. ICQ not so much...
empty prism
Yo so discord has some panning stuff in beta rn, right? I'd love to see discord positional sound hooks become a thing
brazen zenith
Idk what u r talking about
solid elbow
Discord is basically IRC with persistent history (which you could get with a bouncer if you were determined)
floral viper
I had to go through the pain of setting up a teamspeak server so me and my guild could talk
Discord does that for ya
brazen zenith
Lol
solid elbow
in a world with 100% uptime, Discord and IRC are not that different
soft violet
MSN Messenger still goes in China, I think, unless that stopped, too.
brazen zenith
Y r thee memes of discord admins and shit?
floral viper
Msn was retired a few years ago
brazen zenith
Like I understand the twitch ones(they r all simps)
floral viper
True story: I had to google simp the first time I heard it because the term was utterly new to me
empty prism
I was a little late to do much with IRC, always felt so mysterious to me
brazen zenith
Lol
solid elbow
Like ppl my age we just kinda know when we r being talked to by others of r age
FWIW, adult me would be absolutely embarrassed by shit high school me would have said and believed. 🙂 "Teenagers think that ..." is not a good thing to base your decisions around - not just because what teenagers think doesn't represent majority demographics, but because it doesn't reflect what they're likely to think in a few years.
brazen zenith
Lol
empty prism
I'm embarrassed by stuff college me said...
solid elbow
True story: I had to google simp the first time I heard it because the term was utterly new to me
I got "cuck" without much trouble but "shade" took a google 🙂
brazen zenith
What does fwiw mean😂
empty prism
for what it's worth
solid elbow
lol
soft violet
Great way to die inside. Read shit you wrote decades ago.
brazen zenith
Makes sense that I wouldn’t know
floral viper
Wth is a shade? 😂
empty prism
see now you're not hip to the older lingo
brazen zenith
Done that
empty prism
from them limited character texting days
empty prism
@soft violet I still have my fanfiction account from around 2014. That's a fun trip to make sometimes...
brazen zenith
Yet we have more contractions now and we have unlimited
solid elbow
Great way to die inside. Read shit you wrote decades ago.
@soft violet Ooh, I wrote some poetry freshman year of college. I wouldn't wish reading that on my worst enemy 😄
brazen zenith
Remember club penguin?
soft violet
@empty prism Ha.
solid elbow
unlimited
You kids, and your texts that don't cost $0.05 a piece
empty prism
wait no it must've been like 2008... what is time, I don't even know anymore
The days when I had 100 texts back and forth
brazen zenith
Lol
empty prism
Club Pengiun was after my time. neopets all the way baybeeeee
empty prism
Dude it's crazy to me that schools have just given up on policing cell phones like they used to
solid elbow
true story, text messages was an unintentional feature, a debugging hack that was added by an engineer that they decided to monitize
solid elbow
what in the name of god is "club penguin"? Also "webkins"? 😄
empty prism
@solid elbow whoa, really? I'd love to see a story on that if you got al ink
brazen zenith
I’m gonna fucking did @solid elbow
empty prism
Webkins are them things with big creepy eyes
brazen zenith
Look them up
No they did not have big eyes
They were small
And club penguin was legendary
Like I’m actually getting sad thinking about it
It got shut down
soft violet
Misread that as chub penguin. Poor Tux. Too many fast fish.
empty prism
oh wait I got webkinz mixed up with the new beanie babies
brazen zenith
Yup
empty prism
chub penguin lol
brazen zenith
Beanie babies r still nice tho
empty prism
I wonder if my parents still have all our old beanie babies
we used to play with em all the time
brazen zenith
Oh yah
soft violet
"Penguins, they waddle, but when he waddle, Lord, he waddle."
brazen zenith
Lol
There r so many games that u can’t play on ur phone anymore
Like this one with these trains
I cherished that game
U had to direct the tracks so they didn’t hit becuz then the colours would mix
Sometimes u had to mix them
It was such a good game
solid elbow
I'm from the "hamster dance" days of internet memes. Literally before the word "meme" had been coined for use in referring to memes.
strange barn
yea
brazen zenith
No idea
strange barn
I'm from the "hamster dance" days of internet memes. Literally before the word "meme" had been coined for use in referring to memes.
@solid elbow H A M S T E R D A N C E
solid elbow
which oh my god I swear was not that long ago.
strange barn
bibibi bi daa di dou dou
dii da di di duuu
empty prism
🥜 🧈 🍇 🕐
soft violet
Badger badger badger...
brazen zenith
Peanut better jelly time
solid elbow
I still barely feel like an adult, and I don't get how the next generation can already be using words that make no fucking sense to me 😄
brazen zenith
Oh yah
empty prism
lol I'm kinda surprised you know that one
brazen zenith
Lol
Idk how but I do
Now I remember
PopularMMOS
A Minecraft youtube I used to watch all the time
strange barn
no one:
python :
from random import randint as random
from random import seed
Lol
empty prism
🤔
brazen zenith
Then there’s the balls to the walls song😂😂😂
solid elbow
hamster dance was right up there with badger/badger/badger/badger/badger/badger/badger/badger/badger/badger/badger/mushroom/mushroom
brazen zenith
Bruh
empty prism
I'm a big weebls fan to this day
brazen zenith
Weebls?
empty prism
albinoblacksheep, the hipster newgrounds
soft violet
How rare.
empty prism
weebls is the dude that made the badger song
strange barn
right now memes are usually one sentence long, one word long, or even one letter long
brazen zenith
Idk what that is either
empty prism
f
solid elbow
f
strange barn
f
empty prism
lol
brazen zenith
U guys r old tho
empty prism
hey we're not that old
brazen zenith
Suuurerw
strange barn
"in the future, humor will be randomly generated"
soft violet
@strange barn "GPT3, you're up."
brazen zenith
Bro my hands r so big for my age
No it’s a gay thing that happens becuz d and f r right next to each other
solid elbow
the weird thing is that you literally never hit an age where you feel like a grownup.
empty prism
I wonder if I'll feel like bewildered fresh-faced college grad forever...
solid elbow
it's a lot of tiny little steps. I own a house, but I didn't quite feel like a grownup when I bought it...
solid elbow
might be your max height, shorty.
brazen zenith
Stfu
topaz aurora
Height is relative to a lot of factors
brazen zenith
No it’s not
solid elbow
😄
empty prism
I sometimes really stop and think about the fact that I've been living in a house with just my bf, thinking "did I really move out of my parents' house at some point?"
empty prism
lolol
soft violet
I'm taller than most people. Shorter than many.
solid elbow
I got married 2 years ago. That felt sorta weird, heh
brazen zenith
I dumped my last girl after I found out she smoked weed vapes and drank vodka every night
empty prism
I was tall for my age in middle school. Then I started gettin taller in a more horizontal way
solid elbow
We'd been together for a decade, so on the one hand, obvious thing to do, and on the other, feels so grown up.
brazen zenith
Lol
solid elbow
LOL
strange barn
fun fact: memes can be videos and links
brazen zenith
Factz tho
empty prism
I learned the other day that Slack doesn't show video previews for rickrolls
strange barn
yes i'm referring to Rick Astley
soft violet
The Game.
solid elbow
Like, they detect rickrolls and deliberately disable preview for them?
Fuck I just lost it.
brazen zenith
Lol
empty prism
my favorites are just like the literal surprisedpikachu.jpg
brazen zenith
Anyone here looked up blue waffles😈😈😈
empty prism
@solid elbow yep
solid elbow
that's awesome.
empty prism
that's rookie league stuff
topaz aurora
@brazen zenith That's not appropriate.
brazen zenith
I was asking I didn’t say to do it
empty prism
Fuck I just lost it.
No way dude 😦
empty prism
I may be out of middle school but I never forgot the game...
topaz aurora
Fuckin hell
solid elbow
the weird thing is realizing that we're not the first generation, or the second, to have memes. The concept of a meme, as something your generation instantly recognizes that your parents have barely heard of, is something that has been going on for centuries
brazen zenith
What’s the game?
strange barn
fun fact: this channel is the only active off-topic/general channel.
solid elbow
and the shit that passed for a meme 100 years ago would be utter nonsense to us today
brazen zenith
Yup
empty prism
memes are ephemeral
brazen zenith
What’s the game tho?
empty prism
it's so stupid I'm embarassed to explain it
solid elbow
What’s the game?
Well, you just lost it.
you lose the game when you think about the game.
strange barn
wiggle wiggle dance 🎶
brazen zenith
WTF
empty prism
^
brazen zenith
What is the game tho
brazen zenith
Bruh
strange barn
@solid elbow are you referring to Timotainment?
brazen zenith
Silent game is stil better
soft violet
Once you lose on your own, you announce that you've lost, causing others to lose it also.
empty prism
now you get to tell all your friends you lost the game
solid elbow
Once you lose on your own, you announce that you've lost, causing others to lose it also.
@soft violet god it's so fucking stupid when you spell it out like that, but pretty much all memes are 😄
empty prism
basically just do what we did to you lol
soft violet
If you think about the game, you lose the game.
strange barn
the game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game) you lost
empty prism
it's like that S thing that we all drew in preschool
solid elbow
It is impossible to win most versions of The Game
😄
brazen zenith
U guys r bums
empty prism
uncalled for!
strange barn
let's play a game
brazen zenith
Ok
empty prism
🧩
soft violet
@brazen zenith It continues indefinitely.
brazen zenith
Fuck I lost it I thought about the horniest hottest thing and still lost
empty prism
Impossible to win
solid elbow
memes are, inherently, kinda stupid. 😄
empty prism
but keep them thoughts to yourself l
brazen zenith
So once u r out u r out forever?
soft violet
The degree to which you win is the period in between losses.
empty prism
nah, just until you forget about the game
solid elbow
@brazen zenith nah, you... uh... start again at level 1, I guess?
brazen zenith
Oh ok
empty prism
until you remember it again of course
strange barn
So once u r out u r out forever?
@brazen zenith You are thinking about the game.
You lost.
solid elbow
You are thinking about the game.
You lost.
😄 😄 😄
empty prism
this thing
solid elbow
yeah, that's definitely a meme
empty prism
coolest kid in the room if you could draw it
soft violet
So when you lose, the game continues.
strange barn
Everyone thinked about the game.
No one won.
brazen zenith
I once etched it into my hand with my geometry set lol
brazen zenith
Then ealized what is down and whore gloves until it was gone
I was not expecting the outcome it had
soft violet
Wore.
solid elbow
maybe.
empty prism
OH
soft violet
Wore gloves.
empty prism
I was having trouble parsing that, thanks opal lol
solid elbow
you don't know his life.
brazen zenith
I thought my skin would just go white like when u scratch urself but it’s cut me lol
Wore?
I’m so confused
Oh
Whore
War?
I’m going to war with u @empty prism ?
solid elbow
heh, wow.
empty prism
the gauntlet
brazen zenith
Ohhhhhhhhhh u reminded of somethin fun
empty prism
you know like to start a fight
solid elbow
"throw down the guantlet" is an idiom that means challenge someone to a fight
brazen zenith
At this camp if u broke a rule that r whole cabin agreed on u got the gauntlet
I’ll see if I can find a web link to explain it
empty prism
hmm, now I'm curious what etymology lead to gauntlet meaning both armor and a challenege
solid elbow
I suspect it's the same mechanism as removing your glove and slapping someone with it
solid elbow
yeah, that's, uh, fucked up as a form of corporal punishment at a camp for children
I mean, it's not so bad, but at least mildly fucked up.
empty prism
sounds kinda fun in a horrible hazing kind of way
brazen zenith
Some ppl let the rows slap the front but then they hold the person back and get slapped more so we decided only back
We’re 12 to 14 it’s fun
empty prism
lol maybe kids haven't changed that much
brazen zenith
I didn’t get touched but I hit the door and fucked my wrist
strange barn
is this funny
brazen zenith
No
solid elbow
(but I've been to showings of the Rocky Horror Picture Show where people who've never seen it before had to crawl between everyone else's legs and get slapped on the ass, so, I mean, there's that)
brazen zenith
Lol
strange barn
goddamn chess programming language
topaz aurora
Make an esolang out of chess
brazen zenith
Refresh me on red rover?
solid elbow
chess esolang is intriguing...
strange barn
checkers esolang
empty prism
basically you form two lines of people facing each other, each line holdings hands with one another
solid elbow
"red rover, red rover, send X over..."
empty prism
^ one line calls someone to run over
brazen zenith
Nvm no idea
empty prism
and the person has to run to the other line and try to break through the linked hands
and if they don't, then they have to join the other line
brazen zenith
Sounds fun tho
solid elbow
dumb game, remarkably fun.
empty prism
a.k.a. great way to watch a bunch of preschoolers clothesline themselves for fun
brazen zenith
Lol
solid elbow
probably fun to play as an adult, actually...
brazen zenith
Just like gauntlets
solid elbow
just got a burning man idea...
empty prism
you like playing with fire
strange barn
yes
strange barn
math programming language thing
empty prism
LaTeX
brazen zenith
Actually?
solid elbow
That's it, I'm definitely enacting an adult Red Rover game, and you all have only yourselves to blame.
brazen zenith
Imma look into that
soft violet
There's plenty of stylish latex out there...in some circles. @empty prism
empty prism
don't breaka hip now
brazen zenith
If u in Canada I’ll join in
solid elbow
Philadelphia, sadly
brazen zenith
Damn
empty prism
is latex a recursive acronym? It better be
strange barn
x
Why is it that even playing video games with randoms around the big ass world I barely ever find ppl who live in Canada
strange barn
```
empty prism
maybe you just don't ask enough :V
solid elbow
LaTeX is an extension of TeX - is as much as I know...
brazen zenith
I always do
empty prism
Bee you doin okay there bud?
strange barn
\`\`\`python
solid elbow
@empty prism that's, uh... I've heard of it... A bit outside of town 😉
brazen zenith
Since puller don’t work
strange barn
\n
empty prism
lol yeah, I guess to me PA is either "closer to Pittsburg" or "closer to Philly"
strange barn
hehe
empty prism
stupid longass state
brazen zenith
Lol
solid elbow
My grandfather is buried ~20 miles from there, so, uh... there's that I guess.
it is a longass state, ngl
empty prism
the heck are the red scorpions
solid elbow
nah, silver snakes.
brazen zenith
Look it up to long to explain
solid elbow
my parents live pretty close to Ephrata. 🙂
brazen zenith
Kinda tempted it would be fun
empty prism
mm, maube don't
brazen zenith
And I’d be protected at all times
solid elbow
stupid longass state
I take it you're not from PA?
brazen zenith
But then again
empty prism
nope, greetings from an Ohio neighbor
brazen zenith
High chance of dying and long jail time
empty prism
high chance of dying is a pretty good deterrent
brazen zenith
Lol
solid elbow
ah, nice, I've been to your state once.
empty prism
Hope you enjoyed the corn
brazen zenith
Eh itll happen sometime
solid elbow
being on the "not Pittsburgh" side of things 😄
empty prism
my friends are living in PA, our plan is to get a house together at some point. Sounds kinda dumb, but also: 5 adults, no kids, tons of income
solid elbow
tons is the best amount of income.
brazen zenith
Oh yah
empty prism
My mom's from Pittsburgh so we've been there a couple times
brazen zenith
Let the fun times begin lol
strange barn
what does multitasking in python mean?
empty prism
we got locked in one of the rooms in the cathedral of learning once, that was fun
empty prism
@strange barn can't be that different from multithreading, right?
strange barn
what's multithreading
solid elbow
what does multitasking in python mean?
@strange barn Same as anywhere else - doing more than 1 thing at a time. More precise words are either "concurrency" or "parallelism", "multitasking" is ambiguous and could mean either, I think
strange barn
yea but how can multitasking work
brazen zenith
I’m very familiar with concurrents if u know what I mean
solid elbow
single thread, single core computers could multitask. They just occasionally switched from one thing to another.
quick ledge
yea but how can multitasking work
@strange barn im doing it rn
strange barn
thx @solid elbow
quick ledge
zoom,discord,reddit,youtube
empty prism
My version of multitasking is doing all chat and no work
brazen zenith
Nice pfp EG
solid elbow
if you switch between 20 things fast enough, it looks like you're doing them all at once.
brazen zenith
No one understood me lol
empty prism
async has entered the chat
brazen zenith
Asyc has died and left the chat
empty prism
D:
solid elbow
some of us evidently grew up on single-core computers 🙂
you kids, and your multiple cores.
quick ledge
Nice pfp EG
thanks, ig
empty prism
I mean when you're using python, every computer feels like a single core computer
strange barn
i don't understand multitasking on pypi
brazen zenith
I ain’t a kid
solid elbow
could have sworn you said you are, but maybe my memory is going.
soft violet
The multiprocessing module isn't too tricky to handle.
empty prism
Ah yes, the 30s, when the mind starts to go...
brazen zenith
There r 7 categories baby toddler kid/child teen adult senior and elder
Might be elder and senior
Can’t remember
I’m 14
empty prism
You been playin too much sims
brazen zenith
Which makes me not a kid
quick ledge
what about v o i d ?
There r 7 categories baby toddler kid/child teen adult senior and elder
brazen zenith
I don’t play that game I like sim city tho
solid elbow
below the age of majority => not an adult => kid
empty prism
Hey if my coworker who is barely 2 years older than me can call me a kid, I can call you a kid
solid elbow
you're probably young enough you wouldn't even get charged as an adult in the US. Probably. >_>
empty prism
Crime, it's what separates the boys from the men
quick ledge
enjoy it while it lasts
empty prism
Dude you're reminding me of that podcast about the justice system in Cleveland
it's a nightmare
brazen zenith
Lol idk what that is but sure
empty prism
I think it was Serial
solid elbow
I’d rather not click that without a vpn
Nothing bad. It's an argument that the laws in the US are so vague that most people commit crimes every day.
solid elbow
which leads to disproportionate enforcement - the police can decide who to arrest when everyone's a criminal.
soft violet
Orwell was quite observant in his naming of institutions after their respective opposite functions.
brazen zenith
Bruh outta knowhere
empty prism
0 to dystopian just like that
brazen zenith
RKO!!
cyan ermine
hi
empty prism
hello!
solid elbow
Huxley probably had it closer to right than Orwell.
soft violet
Perhaps.
brazen zenith
I am very saddened
solid elbow
None of u got that reference?
@brazen zenith I didn't, but read Brave New World, if you want to be depressed.
brazen zenith
I am becuz U didn’t get it
empty prism
so many good depressing books out there
solid elbow
I hear "RKO" and all I think is "RKO Radio Pictures" because, as I said, Rocky Horror Picture Show 🙂
brazen zenith
Randy Ortons rko
soft violet
@brazen zenith Is that the thing with the pandas?
brazen zenith
And Rey diablos 61&
empty prism
I didn't appreciate Fahrenheit 451 enough is school
brazen zenith
*619
empty prism
@soft violet lol
solid elbow
I watched WWE back when it was WWF and still have no idea who tf Randy Ortons is. 🙂
brazen zenith
Tell me u know the people’s elbow
solid elbow
the people's elbow was around my time.
empty prism
damn it's 3:30AM, I'm gonna head to bed
solid elbow
And D-Generation X
brazen zenith
With stone cold the rick and undertaker
empty prism
Nice chattin with you guys, ciao!
soft violet
Seems as if it would be inconvenient for everyone to share the one elbow.
solid elbow
😄
brazen zenith
Lol
solid elbow
communism, man.
echo kiln
solid elbow
it is now.
solid elbow
"the people's" is a common phrasing in communist countries (Orwellian, now that people mention it)
solid elbow
like, North Korea is officially named "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
solid elbow
it's commonly shortened to DPRK, in fact.
brazen zenith
Lol
soft violet
Where are the guys going?
solid elbow
I thought that was a corona joke
@brazen zenith I just got how it could work as that, heh
solid elbow
steals that
soft violet
Just thought of it then. 😏
solid elbow
it ain't a bad joke.
soft violet
Or, for a darker twist, "I hope you get it."
Write it in python and I might be able to say why.
soft violet
In the typical fashion one sees messages posted to here.
loud basalt
wot
undone berry
Is there any way to port issues over from a gitlab repo to a github repo?
sand goblet
The way we did it when we moved the pydis repos to GH was to get @bleak lintel to write a bot that did it
strange barn
(this message has been || ||d)
sand goblet
I see some people are still discovering spoilers
undone berry
@bleak lintel sorry for the double ping - but was that bot open source? If so, I'd love to see it
bleak lintel
@undone berry i lost the source code to that long ago, apologies. It really was just iterate through gitlab and upload to GitHub
undone berry
I figured - I haven't done too much research yet, but it looks pretty simple. Was just hoping I might be able to do a copy paste job
sand goblet
he means the code, not the transfer
rough sapphire
Do you have to build an app with electron in mind, or do you just take any built JS, CSS, and HTML and slambam it into a desktop app?
solid pollen
I never used electron but I remember people saying that it wasn't so easy
round zenith
@solid pollen seems like it should be, just a web browser with one thing it can display
solid pollen
Apparently there's more to it
spiral ridge
can we make an official python minecraft server
strange barn
can we make an official python minecraft server
@spiral ridge with built-in python interpreter?
spiral ridge
for minecraft java, that may not work
undone berry
can we make an official python minecraft server
@spiral ridge
Been and done
spiral ridge
seriously
undone berry
3 iterations
spiral ridge
wait is there one already or is this referencing something else
undone berry
Ask in #591999731325075487 for more details
strange barn
for minecraft java, that may not work
@spiral ridge jython
spiral ridge
should i be talking about this in #community-meta or is this off topic
graceful basin
I do wonder if someone modded in a python interpreter. there is Lua, but no python I know of
strange barn
should i be talking about this in #community-meta or is this off topic
@spiral ridge this is off topic
undone berry
I do wonder if someone modded in a python interpreter. there is Lua, but no python I know of
@graceful basin
Someone added micropython to opencomputers
or circuitpython
I don't know the difference
undone berry
strange barn
ooh
spiral ridge
is there a terminal or console in the mod
spiral ridge
*delete
spiral ridge
ok
strange barn
ok
spiral ridge
the BASIC thing is awesome
strange barn
it's so BASIC, yeah
spiral ridge
yes
strange barn
> yes
spiral ridge
yes
spiral ridge
your putting backslashes
spiral ridge
\
strange barn
\
spiral ridge
oops
spiral ridge
okay
strange barn
there is not something
rough sapphire
In Vue.JS:
<div v-for="(value, key) in object">
{{ key }}: {{ value }}
</div>
Weird. The key is just optional but second. It will otherwise always be a value but if it has a second, it will be the key.
You can even throw an index into the third place.
Its probably better to use name instead of key here, because key="" is a relevant html attr for a v-for, and its unnecessarily confusing.
topaz aurora
Never thought I'd see the day I'd actually use the proper data structure for the something that I'm solving
obtuse rose
next you'll be buying a minivan, and a house in the suburbs
scenic blaze
@topaz aurora Which data structure?
topaz aurora
Trees which I used for generating arbitrarily nested s-expressions
scenic blaze
Nice
cosmic hatch
This channel name lmao
stone urchin
sand goblet
that is indeed a channel
quick ledge
true that
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire index is the third optional value here because the iterable is an object. Unless what you mean is key shouldnt be the index like this... But this is actually what I see in the docs.
<div v-for="(value, name, index) in object" v-bind:key="object.index">
{{index}}. {{ name }}: {{ value }}
</div>
I'm not too sure about the purpose of the key here except that the docs say you should use it unless you are trying to make your app more performant by not using it. I think it makes the loop render each element individually or something.
rough sapphire
ah yeah, right. I forgot the v-bind too there
Im still new to this
I like Vue enough. It makes for some extremely messy code, but it can me managed by doing single file components. Its just a different separation of concerns than Im used to.
That being said, its otherwise extremely similar to what I already know...
So I see what people mean about the low learning curve.
sterile vapor
anyone know of other quality, language agnostic, programming discords?
scenic blaze
Don't think I know of any that aren't language specific
sterile vapor
same, the only other one i know is the Reactiflux server.
rough sapphire
Every other programming language server Ive been on is typically not good to be honest.
The ones that are very project specific are sometimes nice. Occasionally there will be a server with a small programming room that only a few people use, and those are occasionally ok.
sand goblet
There aren't many communities on discord in general that have proactive staff that actually care about promoting a healthy environment
sand goblet
Yup
Servers to avoid: Medium-sized fandom servers, big topic servers with no partnership, medium topic servers with no community designation, servers with more than a few users that don't respect staff
also anything to do with anime
unless it's partnered
many streamer servers are complete trash too
rough sapphire
Even then lol. I casually like anime as well but I can barely tolerate the fanbase as a whole on the internet. haha
sand goblet
some of them are good though
rough sapphire
Yeah that varies a lot.
sand goblet
runew0lf and propromello are two good ones that come to mind
rough sapphire
@sand goblet
I'm amazed you don't have a cult following yourself
rough sapphire
I'm not surprised, honestly.
I honestly have to think if you've done anything remotely bad 🤔
sand goblet
Journeymap is the biggest server I help run atm
rough sapphire
Nothing really comes to mind tbh
sand goblet
the project itself has over 30 million downloads
but the server has less than 10k users
and almost none of them are active
sand goblet
it's quite a contrast
people don't even try to have conversations
they just join, get support, and leave
rough sapphire
But then again there are many projects I'm not following anymore that I once did
or just don't really see a reason to join a server for
sand goblet
People exclusively join that server for support
we have a small pool of beta testers as well
rough sapphire
Thats the problem with Matrix. To be honest, I wish this community was on Matrix, and I wouldnt use Discord as much. But by comparison, no one talks. There people in there just dont say anything.
sand goblet
the only thing matrix has over discord from a UX perspective is that your group gets a homepage
channels are completely separate from each other
it makes managing things a complete nightmare honestly
rough sapphire
Right. I could see that. Probably the reason no one has considered solutions to that is there are almost no Matrix servers where anyone talks in the one room they have.
sand goblet
you can also easily accidentally lock out a channel
because if a channel is empty, nobody can join it
but you also can't delete it
matrix's decentralised nature makes it very difficult to protect any community from botting and similar stuff too
there's no central authority banning spammers
you're just on your own entirely
rough sapphire
Yeah its not perfect, but Riot has improved impressively since I first used it. Its an intersting project and I respect it. The main problem with it is just that no one uses it. And yes, that's a thing. Public servers suck really bad.
And when I say no one uses it, I dont mean there arent users logged in
I mean they dont type anything
sand goblet
yeah I used to run a riot client
rough sapphire
But in private rooms its nice.
sand goblet
and I just never opened it
because what's the point, nobody uses matrix and it's really kind of painful to work with
rough sapphire
That is where my CTF friends gather. They all refuse to use this. Its funny because I know many of them individually use Discord, but they wont collectively do it.
I understand why they dont like it. But its funny
sand goblet
I suppose they all run stock AOSP on their phones with fosshub and only FOSS apps
no?
didn't think so
rough sapphire
Not all of them are the same. But for the ones its most important to, its about the policy more than anything.
sand goblet
it's impossible to exist on the internet without dealing with a company like discord or twitter or google
rough sapphire
Totally.
sand goblet
do you use DDG? that's great, but you're actually just using bing through a proxy by default
rough sapphire
You cant even find the search results you need half the time on DDG
sand goblet
well yeah but that's because a good search engine learns the kinds of things you look for
and DDG is unable to do that
scenic blaze
DDG?
sand goblet
duckduckgo
rough sapphire
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but... I understand their view point. At the same time, I'm clearly not the most extreme among them. I'm here. And like i said a lot of the people in that group have Discord accounts for similar reasons. But when it comes to the CTF meets, because some people are very particular about it, thats where we go.
scenic blaze
oh
scenic blaze
private nuts?
sand goblet
then you can't just go "I wish DDG had better results"
rough sapphire
lol
scenic blaze
Aren't all nuts part of the privates
rough sapphire
I default on DDG but regularly have to bang into Google when Im searching for certain topics.
Ive learned their interfacing for quickly moving from one to the other and I just do it regularly
sand goblet
people that understand how the industry works, people that actually read privacy policies (or at least read the tl;dr summaries), understand the tradeoff you get
scenic blaze
Huh, I've never heard of duck duck go before now
sand goblet
privacy by default is great, but you're naturally suffering for it in the UX department
scenic blaze
TIL
sand goblet
so, you have to make a tradeoff between privacy and UX
this isn't a new thing, it's been the case for yonks
rough sapphire
I mean, all of these people are people who work in the industry. Theyre all people who have engineering and math degrees and shit. I'm like the guy they allow to be present because Im endearing and interested.
But theyre not like wacked out meth heads from down the street
sand goblet
a piece of paper doesn't denote intelligence
scenic blaze
I mean, all of these people are people who work in the industry. Theyre all people who have engineering and math degrees and shit. I'm like the guy they allow to be present because Im endearing and interested.
@rough sapphire That's a good skill to have 🙂
sand goblet
but yes, maybe they have some good coverage on what they're talking about
the problem is that it's very easy to get tunnel vision
high verge
unless it's a smart piece of paper
rough sapphire
I guess. Theyre aware that theyre not perfect. But they do have ideals and Ill be the first to admit...
There is the presence of extremists in that part of the Internet.
I regularly feel like i have to step in on them.
scenic blaze
It only bothers me when people are inconsistent
Like going nuts over privacy but then have a public facebook
rough sapphire
No not my best friends in the group. But we are all connected on a service called Mastodon.
And it has extremists there in some part.
Definitely left.
rough sapphire
I mean, I consider myself antifascist. Im talking more about the ones that are communists
Those peopel are not really in our group.
But they are present on the platform
You would have to use it to understand
By Trump lol
rough sapphire
yeah
sand goblet
in many cases the org running the service doesn't even have access to all the data
rough sapphire
Yeah.
sand goblet
so you do end up with the worst of people on the service because they're very unlikely to be kicked off of it
rough sapphire
Well you can defederate them
That causes the opposite problem, of an echo chamber
sand goblet
extremists on mastodon, paedopihiles on aether
it's not a new story
yeah, that doesn't really solve anything either
it's like reddit but decentralised
sand goblet
they'll go where they won't be kicked out
rough sapphire
Whatever happened to Diaspora?
rough sapphire
the instance Im on is called hackers.town, and we most defederate from anyone that is too crazy. I mostly ignore the global timeline because its too insane. I read my local timeline.
Neither do I, lol
sand goblet
twitter does kick out extremists
rough sapphire
Twitter recently kicked out a lot of accounts.
sand goblet
yeah, they tend to have purges every so often
yup
twitter's problem really isn't extremists at the moment, it's paedophiles
which is actually a very interesting topic because some wording in their policy is protecting them
rough sapphire
Huh? How?
sand goblet
the tl;dr is that twitter specifically protects people that tweet about their sexual attraction to minors
rough sapphire
@high verge
also why are there crunching noises coming from the road
👀 What?
sand goblet
Discussions related to child sexual exploitation as a phenomenon or attraction towards minors are permitted provided they don’t promote or glorify child sexual exploitation in any way
rough sapphire
The times that I looked at voat I saw that it seemed to be a right wing haven more than a pedophile haven but I left very quickly.
Maybe there is a correlation 😛
kiddding
sand goblet
it results in people of that type avoiding being explicitly sexual in their tweets, but it allows them to signal to each other what they're into and who's supplying what
it's a big problem
rough sapphire
Had no clue that was a thing
The weirdest thing about that is that they explicitly clarify that
sand goblet
and I understand what they're getting at, but how they didn't see this going wrong is beyond me
sand goblet
It's hard to say really
rough sapphire
Maybe they are thinking that people need to talk about getting help?
scenic blaze
@rough sapphire Antifa is not officially recognized in the US as a terrorist organization
high verge
i mean because they might accidentally ban people saying 'pedophile' or something
bceause of course you can discuss it in the sense of talking about the problem
and that shouldn't be flagged
but they're not talking about the problem they're just discussing it
rough sapphire
Might be the same reasoning for not banning terrorist Twitter accounts, because it may help investigations?
high verge
well but you can't get a warrant to see their name or anything
rough sapphire
Right, I wouldnt think it was a good solution either.
high verge
cause they haven't commited a crime
sand goblet
discussing it as a phenomenon in an academic sense is important
rough sapphire
yeah
sand goblet
so that should obviously be protected
high verge
yeah i imagine that's what they were trying to protect cause it would be bad for them if stuff gets randomly removed
for talking about it
sand goblet
yeah, that's what I'm thinking