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rough sapphire
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i mean either way

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the point i was making still stands

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my disk is at 100% active time with a fraction of its bandwidth used

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some days its fine

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some days response time jumps to 5 seconds

scenic briar
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what program using so much

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check in resouce monitor

rough sapphire
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i've already done all of this tho. multiple times

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doesnt help, my disk is at 100% active time, with 2MB/s cuz something keeps making lots of tiny reads and writes and monopolizing my disk

scenic briar
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i mean either way ssd is going to be a big improvement compared to your hdd

rough sapphire
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usually a windows service

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whatever that is

scenic briar
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your windows defender scanning lol?

rough sapphire
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and sotred by write / total

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nah

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cuz that'd show up in task manager

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i also have indexing and superfetch disabled

scenic briar
rough sapphire
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it was >:(

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i disabled it forever ago

scenic briar
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also what is the second svchost full name

rough sapphire
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in resource monitor?

scenic briar
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that localservicene

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yes

rough sapphire
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also another thing that i find strange

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my cpu's base clock is 2.90GHz

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turbo at 3.5GHz, iirc

scenic briar
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and?

rough sapphire
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and it rarely seems to be below 3.2

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isnt turbo supposed to be a temporary thing?

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i mean it is undervolted, so thermal throttling isnt as bad

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but still

scenic briar
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intel 4600m?

rough sapphire
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ew no

scenic briar
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just wondering ok

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what that base speed is 2.7

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the bottom showed 2.9

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weird

rough sapphire
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wait

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h u h

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yea i just noticed that

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i mean i;ve also seen my cpu speed show 0Ghz so

scenic briar
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you meant 0.6?

rough sapphire
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no

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zero

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i have a ss somewhere, but i cant be bothered to find it

scenic briar
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btw open command promt as adminstator and run this
net.exe stop superfetch

rough sapphire
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alr

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also

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that's the 2.9/2.7 thing

scenic briar
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wow

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did not know that is possible

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cool

rough sapphire
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whats the tdp-up freq?

scenic briar
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so your laptop manufacture can increase the base speed base on the cooling they made

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and the maximum is 2.9ghz

rough sapphire
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ohh

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so thats what dell did

scenic briar
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oh i am so dumb

rough sapphire
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hm?

scenic briar
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intel 4600m have 4600 graphics

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i was there asking you if it is 4600m

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lol

rough sapphire
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confused

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also

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imma just use services

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xd

scenic briar
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oh 😐

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idk

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what is the thing called now

rough sapphire
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i'll find it in service managr

scenic briar
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sysmain

rough sapphire
scenic briar
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it is called sysmain now

rough sapphire
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welp i closed command prompt and it's gonna take forever to open again so imma just wait for the services thing to open, and disable it that way xd

scenic briar
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well your cpu have about the same specs as mine

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and with the same 2.9 base speed

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so i was just wondering it is is 4600m

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so yeah

rough sapphire
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xd

scenic briar
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now?

rough sapphire
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still 100%

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but more manageable

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ya know

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part of this might be windows telemetry

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it's forced on

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cuz im an insider

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on the dev channel

scenic briar
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then why did you join the programe lol

rough sapphire
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telemetry doesnt bother me

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just havent had it affect me this bad

scenic briar
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try degragging after that

rough sapphire
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happens weekly.

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checked a few days ago, and it's only 1% fragmented

scenic briar
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i have a hdd slower than yours

vale pilot
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bruh

scenic briar
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i did ot get windows update ?

rough sapphire
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im an insider

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i get them a couple times a week

scenic briar
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@vale pilot you?

vale pilot
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yea

scenic briar
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NVM

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there is a shit ton of update

rough sapphire
scenic briar
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it did not notify me because i setted up the active time thingy
so it would only update if i am not using it

rough sapphire
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heh.. i've had it update in the middle of me using it

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i even set a time and everything

vale pilot
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10w update my laptop. different w8.1 blocked already my server

rough sapphire
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huh

scenic briar
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LOL 30day uptime

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and i have another system with the same problem as you

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sysmain is using like 95% of disk

vale pilot
rough sapphire
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it'd be great if settings would open so i could check this update smh

scenic briar
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jesus

rough sapphire
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that cpu hurts me

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just a little

vale pilot
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lol

rough sapphire
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wait..

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how..

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how do you exist

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without an iGPU at least-

vale pilot
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win 8.1

rough sapphire
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that has nothing to do with your hardware

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tho i have a friend who had similar hardware to yours

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minecraft made his laptop just go asjhdkasjkdsahkjdhsakjdjashdkjashd

vale pilot
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need update hardware already but now blocked update

rough sapphire
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what.

vale pilot
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my server for py running keep

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Discord bot

rough sapphire
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ah

vale pilot
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This engine

scenic briar
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btw i have my windows page on an external hdd so it doesnt lag me out when swapping extensively lol

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btw LocalSystemNetworkRestricted -p is sysmain or you call superfetch

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that is why i asked you to disable it

rough sapphire
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i just wonder how viruses are stooped

scenic briar
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like computer virusus

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or real virus

scenic briar
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@rough sapphire how is your disk doing

rough sapphire
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seeems better

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still 100

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but more usable

scenic briar
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what

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task manager sort by disk usage

twilit hull
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for some reason whenever i see coffee now theres just a japanese waifu accented voice automatically reading it in my head

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lel

rough sapphire
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i mean its no big deal anymore

faint shard
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hey dude

terse sluice
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alright

faint shard
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can you speak also ?

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i would honestly appreciate it

terse sluice
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in a voice call?

faint shard
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yea

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is that possible ?

terse sluice
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it's almost midnight.. i don't want to wake anyone up

faint shard
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ahh

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np

terse sluice
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oops

faint shard
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so you use docker

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aswell right ?

terse sluice
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yes

faint shard
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like tbh i would rather get it first working without docker

terse sluice
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docker is awesome, it keeps your system clean

faint shard
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yeah but serving static files

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gunicorn

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nginx

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and the list goes on

terse sluice
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like you said before, you had to redo your entire VPS

faint shard
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it just confused the heck out of me

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with docker i just have to run the image

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im aware

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it runs onthe kernel

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pulling the things required

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its easier and cleaner.

terse sluice
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it runs in containers, so it doesn't affect your system environment

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yeah

faint shard
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umm

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what can i do

terse sluice
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what do you mean?

faint shard
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fire

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i honestly have followed alot of tutorials

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i understand the procedure

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everyone has their own ways

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not one is the same of deploying

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ill explain my situation

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i have a OVH ubuntu server

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i have my requirements.txt

terse sluice
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most of the ones i've seen are pretty similar

faint shard
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i have my git repo

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i clone it

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on my ubuntu server

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i create a virtual environment

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im loading static files

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i collectstatic

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i run gunicorn

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i bind it

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i run nginx

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just does not want to work

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like all this is from memory

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i seriously do not know how to approach this situation

terse sluice
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well, i can't really help unless i know exactly what you're doing and what configs you have and whatnot

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the repository i linked above is a fully working example though

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including uwsgi and nginx

faint shard
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hmm

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let me read

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does it explain how to use uwsgi

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and nginx ?

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and what commands to enter ?

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to get it running ?

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im reading

terse sluice
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the README just shows how to configure the site and get it up and running

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you may want to explore the scripts folder

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and the docker-compose.yml

faint shard
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ALLOWED_HOSTS = [
    'localhost',
    '127.0.0.1',
    'dennispham.me',
    'www.dennispham.me'
]
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do i have to take this approach also ?

terse sluice
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well, what do you have?

faint shard
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my window computer ip, localhost, vpsip

terse sluice
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you just need to add your domain(s) to ALLOWED_HOSTS

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like how i have

    'dennispham.me',
    'www.dennispham.me'
faint shard
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yeah i see

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why do yo uhave

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a scripts folder ?

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with uwsgi

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and nginx

terse sluice
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it's where the dockerfiles and configs go for them

faint shard
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so i dont need to edit /etc/nginx/...

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?

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i put all my config files in there ?

terse sluice
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the Dockerfile takes care of that

faint shard
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i see

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so if i replicate this and replace everything with my files

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it should work ?

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but then how do i know what i am doing wrong tho

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i really want to learn the full system

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i just wish i can share with you my website

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so you can see what i am doing

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maybe ive done something wrong

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what is flake ?

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pip file

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pip loc k?

terse sluice
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flake8 is a linter

faint shard
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why do you have a manage.py in the root of project directory?

terse sluice
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the pipfiles are from pipenv, a package manager

faint shard
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ahh i see

terse sluice
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that’s normally where it is?

faint shard
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where is your requirements.txt ?

terse sluice
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i use pipenv

faint shard
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but i thought that was only for python versions ?

terse sluice
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so i don’t have a requirements.txt

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you’re thinking of pyenv

faint shard
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ahh so you prefer pipenv ?

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over requirements.txt ?

terse sluice
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yes

faint shard
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i see

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and how does it function? do we not require venv anymore ?

terse sluice
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no, it uses a venv

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have a look at the pipfiles

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it creates a venv and installs the dependencies from there

faint shard
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[[source]]
name = "pypi"
url = "https://pypi.org/simple"
verify_ssl = true

[dev-packages]
flake8 = "*"
pre-commit = "*"

[packages]
django = "*"
django-environ = "*"
psycopg2 = "*"
requests = "*"

[requires]
python_version = "3.8"

[scripts]
lint = "python -m flake8"
precommit = "pre-commit install"
manage = "python manage.py"
start = "python manage.py runserver"```
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where ?

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django-environ = "*"?

terse sluice
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i should probably pin those

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yes, whatever is under packages

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why would i need pillow?

faint shard
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i deleted it

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lol

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ive got a ecommerce

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and one of the requirements was Pillow

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in my end i just have to add

[packages]
django = "*"
pillow = "*"```
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right ?

terse sluice
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you shouldn't really be editting that manually

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just do pipenv install django pillow

faint shard
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ahhhh

terse sluice
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and it'll create a pipfile for you

faint shard
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epic

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i havent got that on my end

terse sluice
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because we don't have the same application

faint shard
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so would it be required for me also >

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ill read up on it also

terse sluice
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it's only required if you need it

faint shard
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its really clean your code

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wow.

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i cant believe i spent so long

terse sluice
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thank you

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clean code is kinda my thing

faint shard
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i tried gunicorn

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it gave me headache

terse sluice
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try not to make that kind of joke

faint shard
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got it

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it really did give me headache.

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its just so unconvenient, i tried everything and anything that i saw

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like legit 15 hours yesterday and 7 hours so far today

terse sluice
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most say gunicorn is easier actually

faint shard
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but i just cant serve static files

terse sluice
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that's not gunicorn's or uwsgi's job

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that's nginx's job

faint shard
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and how does nginx do it ?

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i like succesfully had the website running on the ip address

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it was working

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but with no css or js

terse sluice
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nginx is supposed to serve the static files

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oh i linked the wrong lines

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editted

faint shard
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ok and lets just say, i have docker installed on my main windows computer with the gui and everything.

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and create the image

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to pull on my vps

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and am i able to run it from my windows machine

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on my linux vps

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is that possible ?

terse sluice
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i'm not sure what you're saying

faint shard
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from this gui

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i am able to run the docker on my linux server

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i am able to control it

terse sluice
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imo, it'd be easier to just ssh into your vps and use the terminal

faint shard
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just to run the container there ?

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ok i see

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also would nginx be counted as a worker /?

terse sluice
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nginx has workers

faint shard
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what is a worker i saw that somewhere and i set it to three because apparently its the amount of CPUS + 1

terse sluice
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idk where you read that, but a worker is just a process. so if you have 2 workers, you have 2 processes working for the app.

twilit hull
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slaves

terse sluice
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3 is probably overkill

faint shard
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does it slow things down ?

twilit hull
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they not getting paid nor voluntary thus not worker

rough sapphire
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@twilit hull That's not funny

terse sluice
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that's not a great joke

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yeah

twilit hull
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sry

terse sluice
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@faint shard what do you mean?

faint shard
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3 is probably overkill

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why ar eyou saying its overkill ?

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whats the cons of having more than you need ?

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and what happens when you dont have the amount required ?

rough sapphire
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like computer virusus
@scenic briar
computers

terse sluice
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you don't need to waste resources on more workers than you need

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in my config, each worker can take 1024 connections

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so if you multiply that by 3, you have 3072 connections at a time

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i doubt you'll need that many

faint shard
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and what is that ? 3072 simoltaneous connections to your website ?

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/server ?

terse sluice
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yes

faint shard
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i wish i had that many connections lol

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so nginx takes care of that ?

rough sapphire
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I wish i had connections

terse sluice
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do you see why 3 is probably overkill now?

faint shard
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i would be a millionaire if i had that many

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🙂

rough sapphire
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@terse sluice send link for your site

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lemme see

faint shard
terse sluice
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alright

rough sapphire
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dang

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i gotta steal that code XD

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just kiddi

terse sluice
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lol

rough sapphire
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not though

faint shard
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im going to kindly replicate it :0

rough sapphire
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@terse sluice where is yours

terse sluice
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that was mine

rough sapphire
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oof

faint shard
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yeah lol, that will never be mine in the state it currently is. i cant even deploy it lol

rough sapphire
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got caught

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How would checking their site verify anything with nginx?

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im gonna nake a website on my own but i dont know how to put it i

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in the web

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Is it a static site or does it have a database/backend?

topaz aurora
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Since we're on the topic of web dev, is it more favorable to get a set up in a Linux system?

rough sapphire
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also wifi is fcking slow

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@topaz aurora Yes, 100%

terse sluice
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yes

topaz aurora
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I'm assuming WSL2 can do the job as well

rough sapphire
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Linux is very easy to setup an Apache/Nginx server. You don't even need to do that if it's static - https://netlify.com

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@terse sluice did you have to pay to get your site on the web?

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I wouldn't trust WSL2, considering you want a dedicated VPS/server for that kind of stuff.

terse sluice
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paid for domain name and server

rough sapphire
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Compartmentalization and all that

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oof ia there a way to get your siye on the web without paying?

topaz aurora
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Yeah but like, what about just setting up a basic development environment that I can practice on

rough sapphire
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Which, a VPS is not expensive at all. $5/month.

terse sluice
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like using Django's development server?

rough sapphire
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Flask/Django both have debug options

terse sluice
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or Flask/whatever framework

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yeah

rough sapphire
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whp you talking tom

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to?

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@rough sapphire Pure

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dang keynoard is slow

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𝚝𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐

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𝙵𝚒𝚗𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢

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But yeah, if you just have a static site ( CSS/HTML/JavaScript/Images and no backend code like Python/PHP/SQL ), you can use Netlify for free and link a Git repo ( public/private, doesn't matter )

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𝙼𝚎: 𝚠𝚊𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚢𝚙𝚒𝚗𝚐

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𝙽𝚘𝚒𝚌𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚔𝚜^

modern heron
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Random question, but is there any benefit to having two separate bots like the Python bot and the Mod Mail bot?

rough sapphire
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𝚢𝚎

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𝙿𝚛𝚘𝚋𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚢

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One is dedicated to modmail, and the other is just the general bot

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(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)

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𓀬

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That way if anyone needs it, you can just point them to the modmail bot

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༒︎

modern heron
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Ah

terse sluice
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@topaz aurora if it's purely for development using something like Django's dev server, you can get setup on windows. i would not recommend setting up nginx/apache or uswgi/gunicorn on windows though. i don't know if that's even possible

rough sapphire
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@rough sapphire What are you doing?

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Just testimg out the keyboard microsoft keyboard is slow as F

topaz aurora
rough sapphire
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Wel thanks!

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@rough sapphire It's just a little distracting, since we're trying to have a conversation

topaz aurora
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Well then, seems like I could use that as a starting point

faint shard
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ive got wsl2

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anyways

terse sluice
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alright, that article only uses the development servers, you should be fine 👍

faint shard
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i am starting now @terse sluice

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wish me luck lmao

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attempt number 913817319

quick ledge
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good luck

terse sluice
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good luck

quick ledge
faint shard
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uhh if it doesnt work, im notgoing to give up, can i just message you @terse sluice

terse sluice
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we don't really offer help via DMs

faint shard
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i mean

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@ you

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is that fine ? ive spent 3 days now wanting help on this

terse sluice
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you can always ask in #web-development of in one of these off-topic channels though

faint shard
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no one has had the proper answer

terse sluice
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i might not always be available

faint shard
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i understand

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thats fine

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ill ask them

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and ill ask you

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😛

terse sluice
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i'll try to help out when i can though

faint shard
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appreciate it big time

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its such a pain

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im slowly learning

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i love it tho, once i am able to get my website up

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i will be so happy

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oh and another question @terse sluice

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if i for example

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build my image

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and

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then later down the line

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have a git pull

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do i need to rebuild the image

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or can i just pull the repos ?

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and it will work ?

terse sluice
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i don't exactly follow

faint shard
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lets just say ive created an image with docker

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and then later on i add more things to the repositery

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do i need to rebuild then run the image

terse sluice
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yes

faint shard
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or can i use the existing image

terse sluice
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you'll need to rebuild and run the new image

faint shard
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each time i make any change to my repository i have to rebuild the image

terse sluice
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for the most part, yeah

faint shard
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ok

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i guess ill work on localhost

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and whenever i make a big change

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then i can git push

terse sluice
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that's why CI/CD is such a beautiful thing

faint shard
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what is that 😕

terse sluice
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continuous integration / deployment

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put simply, you push to the github repository, and it'll automatically build a new image and run it

faint shard
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how does that work ?

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do i need anything extra for that ?

terse sluice
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that would take me quite a while to explain, and yes

faint shard
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whats required and ill do the research np

terse sluice
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the world of DevOps can be quite interesting

faint shard
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im fascinated

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just having the ability to search anything you want, having access to these resources aswell as this discord channel ! happy to be apart of this era

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you guys are top notch. 👍 appreciate the hard work.

terse sluice
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thank you 😄

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and i'm very happy to be able to search quite literally anything on the internet, and have answers

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i would know absolutely nothing without the internet today

faint shard
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without computers also lol

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non of this would be possible haha

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ok time to start my journey once again, i got carried away.

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replicating @terse sluice 's repository begins now

terse sluice
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make sure you understand what you're copying..

faint shard
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ill read it before adding, because i already have a fully functioning cms, i dont want to mess that up

terse sluice
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alright good 👍

topaz aurora
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Seems like I'll have to reinstall WSL lol

viral panther
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Wait

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What are you up today?

terse sluice
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why reinstall?

quick ledge
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something something haskell

topaz aurora
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I bonked the Ubuntu installation

terse sluice
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nice nice

quick ledge
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is that why you prefer WSL?

viral panther
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I want to see what something looks like in Python but am to lazy to convert it. It's like 10 lines

Aren't you curious enough to convert it? pithink

topaz aurora
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Nah Haskell/GHC works fine in Windows

quick ledge
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I bonked the Ubuntu installation
@topaz aurora i was referring to this

topaz aurora
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Ah

faint shard
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@terse sluice what is the .env file ?

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Environment Variables
Once you've done that, you can now setup this site. You will need to set some environment variables in a .env file:

SECRET_KEY=some_random_characters_here
DEBUG=true
GITHUB_OAUTH_TOKEN=your_token_here```
topaz aurora
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What are you up today?
@viral panther Probably gonna do some stuff with Django or Flask

quick ledge
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its too prevent putting secrets in your source code

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like passwords

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or tokens

terse sluice
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yup ^

viral panther
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Ah, damn. Well have fun lemon_swag

faint shard
#

but what should i name it ?

quick ledge
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.env

terse sluice
#

.env

faint shard
#

where is your .env file do you have a example ?

quick ledge
#

its in the same directory

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usually

topaz aurora
#

I guess I should also brush up on my HTML/CSS

terse sluice
#

it's in the root directory

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HTML/CSS isn't too bad

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it's the design that's difficult

topaz aurora
#

Totally

faint shard
#

which one is it ?

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@terse sluice

terse sluice
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none of them

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i'm not going to commit my tokens and passwords into a public repository

faint shard
#

do i have to put it in there tho ?

terse sluice
#

that's the whole point of a .env file

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yes

faint shard
#

cool

quick ledge
#

this is my .env

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i changed the values ofc

faint shard
#

so just name it .env and paste SECRET_KEY=some_random_characters_here DEBUG=true GITHUB_OAUTH_TOKEN=your_token_here this in it right ?

viral panther
#

So how do you handle a token or password file...? Serious question

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Do you hide them in your home directory or something?

terse sluice
quick ledge
#

yes earthquale you are right

faint shard
#

how is your git dark mode ?

terse sluice
#

@viral panther it usually goes in an environment variable or a .env file

quick ledge
#

Do you hide them in your home directory or something?
@viral panther i put it in the same directory as ur .py

terse sluice
#

if you use a .env file, you'd put that in your .gitignore

quick ledge
#

but dont upload the .env to to github

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yeah

faint shard
#

haha ok

quick ledge
#

hope you got the idea

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sorry for light mode, that's my text editor

viral panther
topaz aurora
#

Right, just had WSL2 set up on Ubuntu 20.04

rough sapphire
#

cant make github acc XO

quick ledge
#

i dont get it, are you saying that you installed WSL2 on a linux?

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pureF

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cant make github acc XO
what happened?

rough sapphire
#

idk

topaz aurora
#

Nah I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 on WSL2

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lol

rough sapphire
#

does github have discord server?

topaz aurora
#

Not that I'm aware of

rough sapphire
#

Cant make acc 😔

quick ledge
#

shouldnt it actually be LSW and not WSL?

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if you wanna nitpick

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Cant make acc 😔
@rough sapphire maybe ur email or ip has been blacklisted for some reason

faint shard
#

@terse sluice

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my one is

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your one is

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is that fine ?

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is that going to make a difference in what i do configging the same way you done it ?

terse sluice
#

if you need media, you should configure it to go to /media/

faint shard
#

so it should go to images ?

rough sapphire
#

why? @quick ledge
I'm just new to github

quick ledge
#

could be that your ip is blocked

rough sapphire
#

i dont see any reasons why 🤔

quick ledge
#

your ISP might have assigned many people to the same IP

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and one offender means all of you get blocked

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idk im just trying to guess

rough sapphire
#

I only use my phone to watch 🐔tai

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oof

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tried refreshing many times

faint shard
#

@terse sluice

#

harakiri = 30

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LOOOL

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appropriate name

terse sluice
#

that's what it's called

faint shard
#

in japanese

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yea

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do i need flake8 ?

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@terse sluice

terse sluice
#

no, it's just a linter

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and you don't need to keep pinging me everytime

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i'm going to sleep soon

faint shard
#

sorry

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ahh i see

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my bad dude

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just excited

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nearly done copying

terse sluice
#

lol

faint shard
#

🙂

undone berry
gentle moss
#

:|

#

"with 70 coming from editorial."

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bye bye reporting.

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apparently they broke even last year.

surreal otter
#

Gotta make them profits

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quality be damned!

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broke even isn't growth, it's death!

gentle moss
#

apparently i got it wrong

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in 2019 they made £800k profit

surreal otter
#

Probably less than 18, which may as well be losing money

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should just chop the whole thing up and sell it for parts

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Then complain that there's no good journalism anymore

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while "The Guardian" becomes a microblogging site

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with 'news associate' lanyards with 'official ID's'

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available through their new 'support journalism' online store

undone berry
#

The guardian has been struggling financially for a while. I don't necessarily think this is short termism

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Newspapers for news are a dying breed, and the guardians typical reader base is very sought after by newer platforms

gentle moss
#

it was actually up from '18 @surreal otter

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by 3%

surreal otter
#

Yea, I read a bit, they were losing money for years, finally made some money in 19

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time for massive cuts, what was working isn't working ENOUGH!

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Onto microblogging and online store

gentle moss
#

i still find it amusing they have a dating site

surreal otter
#

Gotta diversify to survive

gentle moss
#

it's weird that they've shifted away from the left and more towards the center in their content

surreal otter
#

Because the whole world marches to the right

gentle moss
#

and are potentially losing people because of it

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the new european was supposed to only run for 4 months or something around brexit

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but that paper is doing exceptionally well

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considering it's a heavy left leaning paper

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with limited distribution

surreal otter
#

Limited distribution helps

gentle moss
#

if you're not in London or a major city you're unlikely to see it on a shelf

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but can have it delivered to your door

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that sort of thing

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god damn it piers morgan

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i hate the bastard but sometimes he makes good points.

surreal otter
#

who's dominic cummings?

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The guy on the right I assume

gentle moss
#

yeah, boris johnsons political advisor who has too much power in government without being at all accountable for his actions

undone berry
#

This is his whole schtick. A lot of the time he makes very valid points that a lot of people agree with, and he does it in a way that makes him seem like an exception to the norm even if he isn't. But then alongside that he pushes nonsense like vegan sausage rolls

gentle moss
#

i think "rat-raced weasel" is a polite turn of phrase for him

surreal otter
#

rat faced weasel is like...offensive?"

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I mean, it's not a nice thing to say, but...

undone berry
#

rat faced weasel is very clasically offensive yeah

gentle moss
#

there are other words for him

surreal otter
#

I think it's fair to call a public servant that if you disagree with their actions in office

gentle moss
#

he's not a public servant

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that's the problem.

surreal otter
#

he works for the government?

gentle moss
#

no.

surreal otter
#

paid for by the public?

gentle moss
#

he works for boris johnson

surreal otter
#

the govenrment

gentle moss
#

nope.

surreal otter
#

boris is not hte government?

undone berry
#

He does work for the government, but he's a special advisor - i.e a political position

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he's not a civil servant

surreal otter
#

thank you charlie

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he might not be elected

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but still a public official

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in a high post

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if he works directly for Boris

gentle moss
#

he's not politically accountable.

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at all.

surreal otter
#

I mean, he can't be voted out, but if Boris goes

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does he job remain?

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Will the next guy want him? That's on the next guy

undone berry
#

he's not a public official

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he's just a special advisor

gentle moss
#

nah it's shit like, good luck trying to drag him in front of a parliamentary inquiry on say

surreal otter
#

So he keeps his job when the public official changes?

gentle moss
#

why he's such a fuck nugget

undone berry
#

the only person to whom he is accountable is Boris Johnson

surreal otter
#

So Boris Johnson is accountable for his actions

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simple as that

gentle moss
#

he's done some shaaaaaaaaaaaaady shit

surreal otter
#

Your issue is with BOris

undone berry
#

no

surreal otter
#

he hires shady man, and continues to do so

undone berry
#

the issue is with cummings

gentle moss
#

no it's definitely with cummings.

undone berry
#

I have no idea what your point is

#

what are you getting at

surreal otter
#

So it's OK that Boris continues to use Cummings

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even though Cummings is shady as fuck

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and horrible

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btu Boris should keep paying him

undone berry
#

no

surreal otter
#

and keep him in power

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But BOris is the reason he is in the position he is in?

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Boris can cut Cummings off at any point?

gentle moss
#

okay so the problem with Cummings is that he's been given far too much power. more power than the regular SPAD would have.

undone berry
#

no idea what you're trying to get at

surreal otter
#

Say, you lose, you're fired, no more advisor

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The point is, Boris is accountable for Cummings actions

gentle moss
#

to the point cummings has fired people, something that SPADs aren't allowed to do

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he's controlled the flow of policy decisions

surreal otter
#

and if you really care, you should let Boris know, that's why Cummings is unaccountable

gentle moss
#

but is not at all publicly accountable for his advice or actions

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i think you're not quite getting it.

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i mean i see your logic

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but that's not it.

surreal otter
#

I think you're not

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it is

gentle moss
#

it's not.

surreal otter
#

Who can fire cummings?

gentle moss
#

right, yeah, i know your point

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but you're missing a whoooole other part of the problem

surreal otter
#

Who can holdCummings accountable but refuses to do so?

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The person YOU can hold accountable

undone berry
#

The point is, Boris is accountable for Cummings actions
@surreal otter
alright

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he's still not held publicly accountable

gentle moss
#

cummings is acting in a capacity that is outside of the purview of a SPAD.

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yes, boris allow shim to do that.

surreal otter
#

BEcause you refuse to hold Boris accoutnjable for Cumming's actions

gentle moss
#

no we can't hold boris accountable for this.

surreal otter
#

For allowing him to break the law?

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IDK your laws I suppose

gentle moss
#

we also can't go over boris' head and get rid of cummings

surreal otter
#

I mean, government is designed to keep us in line

gentle moss
#

trust me, people have been trying to get this twat to fuck off for ages

surreal otter
#

so there's that, fun chat, back to figuring out this python thing

gentle moss
#

there's just no mechanism to do it.

undone berry
#

BEcause you refuse to hold Boris accoutnjable for Cumming's actions
@surreal otter
The fact Boris is his boss doesn't mean Cummings himself isn't a problem

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this is the dumbest point going

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really feels like you're trying to make a point where there's no point to be had

surreal otter
#

You say he can't be held accountable

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I say he can

gentle moss
#

cummings can't.

surreal otter
#

That's all I was getting at

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...

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Boris is refusing to hold Cummings accountable

gentle moss
#

given boris's unwillingness to fire cummings, cummings wont be fired.

undone berry
#

who said he can't be held accountable?

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I said he isn't publicly accountable

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because

surreal otter
undone berry
#

the public does not hold him to account

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alright

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then your point is bad

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it's just being a stickler for semantics

gentle moss
#

therefore the only way to remove cummings would be to get a vote of no confidence in boris johnson

surreal otter
#

your but again, I concede

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I quit, you win, I lose

#

thank you for the chat, I apologize for inconveniencing you

gentle moss
#

removing him from power, therefore removing the SPAD.

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no inconvenience.

surreal otter
#

There ya go, you can do it, there is a way

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not easy, not gonna happen, but possible

gentle moss
#

yeah that's removing him from power

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not holding him to account for the awful shit he's done.

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SPADs have a certain level of immunity when it comes to "advice" they give

surreal otter
#

hopefully America wins the elections this year and the future gets brighter, the world begins to stop electing authoritarians and world peace is realized. Who am I kidding, the election is rigged and the results are already win. Authoritarians win again

gentle moss
#

otherwise, the theory goes, they wouldn't give advice.

surreal otter
#

That level of immunity should be reviewed, but why would the politicians want to police themselves

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It's so much more fun to police the servant class

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Rules for thee after all

gentle moss
#

yeah, this rat-faced fuck obeys his own rules.

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he broke quarantine to go to a tourist destination

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then said it was because he needed an eye test

surreal otter
#

I just don't see why people would be up in arms about someone calling a rat faced shit a rat faced shit

gentle moss
#

like fucking 300 mile drive

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to get an eye test

surreal otter
#

Didn't take Brits to be ones to be offended so easily

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by such non-offensive words

gentle moss
#

lets be clear, piers is using some of the more polite words i've heard to describe cummings ¬_¬

undone berry
#

No one is particularly offended. This is just because Piers Morgan has typically sided more towards the Boris Johnson side of things

gentle moss
#

^

undone berry
#

and rat faced weasel is a very well established insult

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not sure how you haven't heard it before, even in the US

surreal otter
#

Ah, so like whenever a Republican in the US find some reason

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I've heard rat faced weasel...in like kids movies

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where they want to keep it tame

gentle moss
#

it's funny that you're talking about our language being tame

undone berry
#

what else would you go for?

gentle moss
#

should've seen people in NYC when i said c*nt a lot

undone berry
#

how else do you suggest Piers Morgan insults him?

gentle moss
#

ding.

undone berry
#

none of those can be said before 9pm on British TV

gentle moss
#

the c is a mod alarm btw.

surreal otter
#

rat faced weasel?

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well, someone else beat me to it

gentle moss
#

did charlie drop one again

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smh

undone berry
#

I feel like you over in the US are just shit at insulting. Rat Faced Weasel is a good insult because it's heaped with history and context

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rat faced weasel has lots going for it

remote socket
#

Can yall tone down the profanity

gentle moss
#

can we not ding the mods so much, it's kinda mean

rough sapphire
#

Was just about to say, any insult I can think of, I can't repeat publicly in Discord 😄

gentle moss
#

i'm quite fond of shit like piss weasel

surreal otter
#

even piss woulda been better

undone berry
#

piss weasel has a bunch of meaning beyond just slurs

gentle moss
#

i think you can get that out in print

surreal otter
#

is that not PC and full of history then?

gentle moss
#

not sure what political correctness has to do with it

surreal otter
#

2020

drowsy rose
#

Hey coffee guys, why do .onion sites always have names that are long and dont have any meaning?

gentle moss
#

yeah that doesn't really factor into this.

undone berry
#

rat-faced: attacks his personal appearance in a completely accurate way, connects to the idea of being a slimy liar
weasel: weasel as an insult means cowardly and refusing to be face up to actions

summer rampart
#

is that an exploding golfball with googley eyes

surreal otter
#

but weasels are fun

gentle moss
#

yes.

summer rampart
#

cool

gentle moss
#

weasels historically are little bastards.

surreal otter
#

mine always stole keys

gentle moss
#

someone who might snitch or spill the beans

surreal otter
#

or steal the keys

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and hide them in the couch

gentle moss
#

or steal the keys.

drowsy rose
#

not the animal weasel

undone berry
drowsy rose
#

but

undone berry
#

the dictionary literally has deceit in the definition

gentle moss
#

hah

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nice.

surreal otter
#

totally named him mr. weasel

drowsy rose
#

aww he's so cute

surreal otter
#

well, that's a crop of the above image

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but that's how he looked

undone berry
#

wanted to post the actual size image - apparently that's it

gentle moss
#

hah

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he does look like a prick though

#

the sort of person who'd show up to a kids birthday party and shit on the cake.

#

Dominic Cummings has refused to explain why a private company he owned and controlled paid a firm, now hired by the government and that is linked to the Vote Leave campaign, payments of £260,000.

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oh hey look, he's shat on the cake again.

plucky ridge
#

Oh! He looks like one of the dads from That 70's Show

gentle moss
#

i know what that is but i've never watched it.

undone berry
#

Jesus christ - I need to talk about what does diversity and inclusion mean to young people specifically thinking about schools - I have 0 fucking clue what to talk about

gentle moss
#

go ask a baby

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or is that too young?

undone berry
#

the only possible response a baby could have would be screaming

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and nothing is worse than a screaming baby

gentle moss
#

wait, so that means babies hate diversity?

undone berry
#

babies hate everything and anything

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except like

#

maybe jangling keys?

gentle moss
#

i think that's just biological programming

#

you could probably automate some key jiggler and keep a baby amused for decades

undone berry
#

very difficult to keep a baby amused for decades

#

not really sure how you'd go about doing it

gentle moss
#

you'd have to get a bigger car seat over time

#

but i think it's doable

plucky ridge
#

Might work for folks with ADHD as well

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I know I'd be captivated

#

I'm not sure why I did this to myself. The office is closed today but I'm in here trying to get this add-in working

gentle moss
#

if your whole life is a car seat and a set of jangling keys

plucky ridge
#

Not sure if that's obsession level yet

gentle moss
#

what more could you want?

plucky ridge
#

A variety of keys

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Like windchimes, you don't want all the pipes to make the same tone

gentle moss
#

coming in when not needed can be nice

#

quiet office

plucky ridge
#

True enough. And I don't have to have the overhead lights on that make this room get SUPER hot

#

Just have a couple desk lights on which is more than enough for me

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I think I'm more like "I could be at home just getting holiday pay right now"

gentle moss
#

what sort of lights do you have that get hot?

plucky ridge
#

Just a lot of fluorescents. I mean they don't get as hot as incandescent ones, but that heat adds up. Especially during summer

gentle moss
#

ahhh

#

no aircon?

plucky ridge
#

There is but it's an old one. They only just topped it off with refrigerant. It's been struggling

#

I hate the Microsoft docs

#

Just pages of how to make a Ribbon and add controls to it

#

Diddly squat on how to actually add functionality to it

#

I'm not sure if it's a lack of C# knowledge or if it's just missing in the docs

gentle moss
#

have you tried calling up microsoft support

plucky ridge
#

Does rabbit count?

gentle moss
#

do you have to wait on hold for 45 minutes before getting through to rabbit?

plucky ridge
#

Yes but I think it's more out of spite

stark prawn
#

Has microsoft support tried calling you?

plucky ridge
#

God I hope not

gentle moss
#

i wouldn't mind that

#

could do with a chat

plucky ridge
#

Okay, in theory this project should have already linked and created an object of the add-in class

#

I just have no friggin clue where that could be

#

Wait, I'm a moron

#

No, guess not

#

Hmm

gentle moss
#

my friggin facebook timeline is looping

plucky ridge
#

You have reached the ultimate "not doing shit"

gentle moss
#

no i mean like... it's just 2 adverts looping

plucky ridge
#

Ah, thought you meant like it showing only like two events from your life

gentle moss
#

one is talktalk bragging about their internet speed

plucky ridge
#

My conclusion was that you'd only done two note worthy things

gentle moss
#

the other is some guy's crotch bulge

plucky ridge
#

Says a lot about your search history

undone berry
#

well - two great choices

#

one set of bollocks or another

gentle moss
#

i love the way they've put the play button right on his cock

#

haa

#

nice charlie

#

niiiiice.

plucky ridge
#

Pants solve every problem a man can have:
Bullshit. Buuuullllllllllshit

#

My underpants aren't going to get me a sandwich

undone berry
#

I'll buy em. Finally, some underwear that can deal with my Jenkins woes

plucky ridge
#

Also any underpants that doesn't have a fly is the devil

gentle moss
#

it's like the 3rd time in a week i've been stuck in this loop

plucky ridge
#

It knows what you like; to talk and look at men's underpants

gentle moss
#

hmmm ye.s

plucky ridge
#

Sometimes at the same time

undone berry
#

who doesn't chat to their underwear?

gentle moss
#

it's better than some of the content on my timeline tbh

plucky ridge
#

"Come on, pants, you're making me look bad."

gentle moss
#

heh

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heheheheh

undone berry
#

I will 100% take either of those ads over anything that I get in my actual timeline

gentle moss
#

heheheheheheheheh

#

come on pants

#

¬_¬

undone berry
#

I think I'd go in for a kilt - but that still requires pants

gentle moss
#

yeah, we're on a different level of pants here

plucky ridge
#

The breeze

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No I mean that's why I'd stop

#

Dead of winter?

undone berry
#

pants are underwear

plucky ridge
#

You're lucky you don't get frostbite

undone berry
#

well

#

in the conversation as it was

#

it was 2/3 brits

#

now I guess it's 50/50

plucky ridge
#

2/4

#

I'm still here

gentle moss
#

pretty sure you're not two people

plucky ridge
#

Oh you were - I get it

#

Shhhh

#

Shhhhhhhhhh

#

I'm very tired

#

My cat was yelling at me from like 11pm onwards

undone berry
#

I met a cat this morning

gentle moss
#

nice

undone berry
#

was very worried because he was near a main road

#

hope he's ok

plucky ridge
#

I'm sure he's fine

#

They're resourceful

undone berry
#

yeah, probably

#

cool cat though

gentle moss
#

probably got himself a Porsche by now

rough sapphire
#

@rough sapphire I'm Scottish

#

Zing

gentle moss
#

no, you're full Scott.

#

smh

rough sapphire
#

just a

undone berry
#

no he's not

rough sapphire
#

smh my head

undone berry
#

he's the Scott

rough sapphire
#

You've heard of me now

undone berry
#

He's the man Rami Malek wishes he could be

undone berry
#

random aside - but Pirates of the Caribbean is the best disney film

gentle moss
#

hmmm

rough sapphire
#

@rough sapphire I am not

undone berry
#

2 is ok iirc

plucky ridge
#

@undone berry Which one

rough sapphire
#

@undone berry Does that make Johnny Depp a Disney Princess?

undone berry
#

yes

#

Dead Man's Chest

plucky ridge
#

That was... 2 or 3?

gentle moss
#

the first one was pretty brave, that's for sure

undone berry
#

2 I think

rough sapphire
#

I mean, I didn't think about it until now tbh

gentle moss
#

i think Lion King is still pretty up there i guess

#

hmmm

plucky ridge
#

He certainly acts like one...

gentle moss
#

god damn it

rough sapphire
#

@plucky ridge Zing

gentle moss
#

is it the best disney movie?

undone berry
#

The one with the gif is great

gentle moss
#

it might be

undone berry
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the explodey gif

plucky ridge
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"No, I don't think my dog should go into quarantine when we visit Australia. He's too special for that."

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Twit

undone berry
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Lion King is very meh

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I wouldn't choose to watch it

rough sapphire
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Lion King is simply nostalgia

gentle moss
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i suppose

undone berry
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Nostalgia that I don't really have. It's just an ok movie