Going to give myself a migraine
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
stark prawn
() => addTick(IMAGE_STRINGS[key])
You are calling the function when initializing the component instead of on click.
plucky ridge
Oh god damn it
-headdesk-
It's so much easier to wrap my head around in Python
Thank you Grote
plucky ridge
Yeah normally I would have done this with a partial but that's not really a thing here
Not going to lie, I won't be sad when this is done
stark prawn
I would probably go for functional components in cases like these.
plucky ridge
Sure sure. I'm just not sure how to do it with all this stuff
Okay, now I can't get the add-in to load. -deep breath- Okay, going to restart. Fingers crossed.
errant wyvern
who's Grote
stark prawn
That would be me.
errant wyvern
I know 
I've never saw you before here lol
The Unknown Python Discord's Staff Members
Chapter 1
stark prawn
Nice
idle night
Hello
plucky ridge
I probably should have looked into this step before anything else
It looks like all the "production" level add-in deployment options require a webserver to host the application on
plucky ridge
Should yeah, but apparently it's primarily meant for "development"
It genuinely feels like they hate their developers and want them to have a miserable time
"Oh, want to deploy things to your small business? Well, I hope you're all on Office 365 and managing everything through it, otherwise you're going to have a miserable time!"
rancid forge
@rough sapphire your idea from almost 2am my time is a really good idea. I think I'll try that
rough sapphire
sorry about the ping at such a late time
but do ping me if you implement it, want to see what it looks like
rancid forge
It's fine, discord decided that I can't get notified until just now so I just got like 6 notifications
rough sapphire
yeah it does that constantly for me
While there is definitely poor ping ettiquette, a time of day ping disturbing someone is a problem with that persons notification config. I wish more people understood that. Instead, because people feed every notification to their mobile on the level of the most important notifications they receieve, it makes this awkward feeling of, "Should I ping this person that I talk to right now to update them?"
And it shouldn't be like that. People should just configure their notifications better.
i don't particularly care if i ping someone at an inconvenient time, but it doesn't hurt to say sorry should it have bothered them
rancid forge
I'm fine with pings at any time, but I just might not get notified because notifications don't work
That is why I nicknamed myself with @able to identify that I am fine with it
rough sapphire
lol true. it doesnt seem like in this case either person was disturbed. But on Discord at large, if you ping someone, people have a way of acting like its rude sometimes.
IMO the line on rudeness is drawn by doing it to people 1) never talked to before, 2) more than once without a reply.
Thats basically it for me
rough sapphire
lol those are generally terrible and people who use them are bad admins š
rancid forge
@someone
plucky ridge
badmins
I hate having my fate in the hands of StackOverflow and the like
I always feel like my issues are so weirdly specific that there's no way I'm going to get an answer
Posting there and in two Microsoft servers and just praying at this point
lofty dirge
more Excel JS issues?
lofty dirge
do Excel Addins require hosting on web server?
plucky ridge
That's what the documentation seems to imply
lofty dirge
like it doesn't get loaded into Excel
you have thought me more about Excel then I ever used
plucky ridge
You can sideload them into Excel, but they seem to imply that's strictly for development purposes
lofty dirge
most of my Excel was just delivering the application
plucky ridge
So of those options, only a couple of them are viable
Looking through a couple other SO articles, but it's really still shaky on the details
At this point I'm likely to say fuck it and just do the sideloading
undone berry
Getting it on AppSource seems OK
plucky ridge
Possibly
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire
People should just configure their notifications better.
Explain how to do so? Considering I only seem to get desktop notifications. E-mail seems to have stopped completely after installing the Discord mobile app for five minutes, because they seem to think I now have push notifications or some such
If I can get e-mail for messages, that'd be great
plucky ridge
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking....
Looking at the Office Store stuff it's.... yeah
Way overkill for something like this
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire I suppose my configuration is "off". So basically, until I decide to look at Discord, Discord doesn't bother me. I will get the text Desktop notification, but it won't make a sound or pop up (configured through KDE Plasma). So its impossible for anyone to bother me on Discord. You can ping me at any time and at my convenience, when I'm eventually back in Discord, I'll visually see the notification. I'll get back to whoever, without it being an annoyance on a phone or while I'm working. That's the way I find it to be best, but... I suppose if you have responsibility to Discord where you would like to see notifications in your email, maybe there is not as many options as there could be. But if what you are looking for is to specifically not be bothered, its pretty easy in my opinion.
Sometimes when I take extended breaks from Discord, this can cause people to feel like I
...am ignoring them, which is problematic in some ways.
But usually once someone knows my online habits, they know that I will reply when I get back on it.
I think it's better than the "Dont @ me" attitude you find because people are using it on their phone and not managing it interrupting them.
halcyon mantle
I think technologies like auto prediction and correction should not exist because they have negative influence on our learning, and writing skills overall.
Change my mind.
sand goblet
sorry what
I can't hear you over your crazy mobile typos
I touch-type and I'm pretty dang good at it
but on phone I make soooo many mistakes
if I didn't have autocorrect you would not be able to understand me
also, making mistakes and fixing them is a great way to learn that kind of thing
plucky ridge
I've learned how to spell some things properly BECAUSE of auto-correct
You can choose to learn from it or not, but highly doubt it's just a blanket bad
sand goblet
slippery slope argument is a pretty well-known fallacy
sand goblet
we should be making tech easier to use
autocorrect won't help you if you don't know the language already
halcyon mantle
Ah, encouraging the manufacture of technology to make us lazy
And have it do everything for us
plucky ridge
Not at all. It's making what you do more efficient so that you have more time to do other stuff
Like exercise
Instead of being stuck in front of a computer for hours because the damn page won't load or you can't find the right option
sand goblet
I'm a big fan of physical interfaces and I hope that tech becomes easier to work with
sand goblet
We talked about some of tshirtman's work with kivy a while ago
and had a chat about the whiskey bar in heathrow airport
plucky ridge
Menu navigation via kickboxing
sand goblet
basically, it allows you to select a bottle of whiskey and set it down on this table-sized screen
and the screen knows where the bottle is and what the bottle is and provides info on it
or you can set two down for a comparison
this is a physical interface
stark prawn
I've seen such systems in musea
stark prawn
Idk, it is in dutch though.
sand goblet
if I'm looking at something like home assistant
like for example, you take heating control
it'd be nice to have a similar screen you can set stuff down on
plucky ridge
And have it by hijacked by people in a different nation
sand goblet
see information and manipulate it using physical objects
like eg you put a heating token onto a section of the screen
maybe you can rotate the token to change what the heating is set to
plucky ridge
What's wrong with just pressing the button to adjust up or down
sand goblet
well, that depends on whether you have a button
and also, it wouldn't be limited to heating
stark prawn
But hem, the button is on the phone now.
sand goblet
something like home assistant encompasses everything smart in your house
plucky ridge
I mean I really think there are some things that are so simple to use they shouldn't NEED additional automation
stark prawn
Rip, it doens't include me š¦
sand goblet
right, but you need to consider that like
red willow
hey @sand goblet
plucky ridge
And it just feels like low-hanging fruit
sand goblet
first of all, it's useful to be able to get access to all of your stuff in a single place using a single interface
that's undeniable
sand goblet
but most of the systems that do that are not friendly for people that aren't computer literate
in some ways, computers in general aren't
plucky ridge
For a good reason. Most of them are still incredibly unsafe/not secure
sand goblet
I don't think that's a good reason not to try to make things accessible
plucky ridge
Right, but that just proves my point. Why would you give people something that's even more advanced and give people more ways to potentially fuck things over for your life?
Advanced in terms of power, not interface complexity
sand goblet
I don't see how "turn this physical dial" is more difficult than "find this app on your phone and set it up and such"
plucky ridge
It's not, and that's not my point
It's something already simple, but now it's simple with a backdoor
What you gain in convenience you lose in security
red willow
that is why crooks use burner phones
plucky ridge
You're putting a significant amount of faith in the manufacturer and other web systems that your system won't be compromised
sand goblet
In this case, I'm using a piece of software that already exists as a foundation
and.. it's pretty battle-tested
very active open source maintainers, very active community, frequent updates
halcyon mantle
I donāt mind putting my trust into a big company
plucky ridge
In this singular instance, sure
halcyon mantle
Itās their neck on the end of the line
plucky ridge
It's also yours
That's like saying if your car breaks down that it won't affect you, it's more the mechanic's problem than yours
Which isn't true. You're highly inconvenienced by the event
Someone else has to fix it, but you still pay the price
red willow
....insurance
plucky ridge
Insurance doesn't pay for lost time
red willow
š
halcyon mantle
But nobody will buy a car that breaks down all the time
plucky ridge
Just financial compensation
If that was the case, pwn, then there wouldn't be any stories about vehicles that break down all the time
red willow
get out of here with your arcane logic
halcyon mantle
Iām not the one comparing something being hacked to a car breaking down
red willow
can a Tesla be hacked?
sand goblet
I mean the argument you're making is the argument to make about, well, really any kind of integrateable software
red willow
that might be a good analogy
sand goblet
security kinda goes without saying, it's important
plucky ridge
@sand goblet Yes. However you and I both know that IoT stuff has been rushed into consumer hands with little to no protections properly set up. I don't think that minor convenience is worth the potential risk at this current stage
That's my only real point
sand goblet
I mean I'm not saying I want someone else to do it
viral panther
Remember that time a casino for hacked because they had an unsecured thermometer in a fish tank?
sand goblet
that's hilarious and believable
halcyon mantle
They are different though
red willow
I'm hoping there is a documentary about this
halcyon mantle
Lollll
plucky ridge
@halcyon mantle Which part specifically is different? Because they're different devices?
viral panther
IoT is shit because of a lack of standards and security
halcyon mantle
@plucky ridge Because nobody buys a car expecting it to last a lifetime
You know it's gonna break at some point
But you wouldn't expect the same as an online service
plucky ridge
Wouldn't I?
sand goblet
I appreciate having an offline IoT network
plucky ridge
An offline one yeah, I could get behind that
sand goblet
home assistant is the only thing that can be accessed outside of my network
plucky ridge
Sure but you have to pray that has the proper security behind it
halcyon mantle
Offline networks are cool
red willow
people are so eager with IoT products, they are willing to deal with the downside, imo
sand goblet
but yeah, most people do
red willow
we have a lot of optimists when it comes to consumerism
plucky ridge
Especially in the US
red willow
..my wife being on of them
rough sapphire
Why can't they just have a STFU context option at the bottom... It seems like the most obvious context option that there could be.
red willow
just blinded by utility value of the product
halcyon mantle
What's STFU
plucky ridge
"Shut the fuck up"
rough sapphire
crude acronym for ignore.
halcyon mantle
Oh yeah
honest star
Yeah, I'm in the process of having the IoT devices I do use be offline. If I can't have it offline, it's on a separate network from non-IoT things.
red willow
I could see STFU being a function in the future
halcyon mantle
It probably hides in focus mode?
sand goblet
I do plan to do separate-network stuff too yeah
but need to upgrade my home network for that
plucky ridge
See, and that I can get behind, Kat. It's just when you have your toothbrush connected to the internet, like what's the damn point?
red willow
wow you guys are pretty proactive
plucky ridge
Not everything needs this huge connectivity
halcyon mantle
Not everything even needs technology
red willow
toothbrushes have bluetooth now?
viral panther
Pretty sure mine does
plucky ridge
Just a taking it too far example
rough sapphire
I hate IoT devices and the worst part is living with people who dont understand my preference that they not use them.
halcyon mantle
electric toothbrush, why
red willow
does it measure RPMs or something?
rough sapphire
So that basically is something I should look into as well
plucky ridge
Or frequency of use or plays music through your teeth
viral panther
It can be used to activate different brush patterns, IIRC
plucky ridge
Who knows
red willow
even water bottles have IoT
tracks how much you drink
and reminds you when to drink
honest star
Most of this is driven by the person I live with being very security and safety conscious. And me because offline usually means open source, which means I can customize a lot.
plucky ridge
More effective at cleaning your teeth, typically
red willow
it is almost as if Human's want the best possible guidance/metrics
so nothing is off limits for IoT products
halcyon mantle
That's something you learn as a young child, or should do
halcyon mantle
Ever heard of ... GPS
red willow
GPS is worth the tradeoff when it comes to phones, imo
plucky ridge
There are some toothbrushes that do that. I remember seeing them maybe a decade ago
red willow
what it must have been like to take a road trip with a plain old map
halcyon mantle
@sand goblet what's it called
sand goblet
bone conduction
honest star
I love my bone conduction headphones!
halcyon mantle
ew
sand goblet
it's a neat tech
honest star
They're great for bike riding
red willow
hey hands off my patent idea
halcyon mantle
that sounds damaging
sand goblet
it's not
plucky ridge
It's literally how we hear our own voices
We're more hearing the vibrations through our bones than the sound from the air
It's partly why we sound different in a recording than we do to ourselves normally
halcyon mantle
forgets to turn off headphones
all bones break
plucky ridge
If you say so, champ (that was to pwn)
halcyon mantle
all you need is
red willow
"Do I really sound that nasily?!"
plucky ridge
Wouldn't that just be multi-positional rather than dimensional?
plucky ridge
I mean they both sound dumb
halcyon mantle
big numbers uwu
plucky ridge
Just sounds like buzzwords with little to know useful meaning
But I'm also just a grumpy old man, soooo
plucky ridge
Oh yeah, bone conduction tech is amazing
halcyon mantle
stop saying bone conduction ahhhh
honest star
It's nice, but not quite magic
halcyon mantle
i hate the word
halcyon mantle
bone and conduction in conjunction with each other
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire multi-positional
honest star
If there's other loud sounds it's pretty easy to over-power. If you have the music too loud the vibrations can start to bother you
viral panther
Bone induction
plucky ridge
Bone deduction
viral panther
Bone destruction
halcyon mantle
bone reconstruction
halcyon mantle
Ć”Å”
red willow
how did you do that?
halcyon mantle
copied and pasted lol
red willow
oh pshhh....
sand goblet
the bone conduction set I had were by trekz I think
they were great until I accidentally snapped them in half
sand goblet
but I actually prefer earphones with hear-through tbh
because I can decide if I want to isolate or not
red willow
they sound fragile
sand goblet
that's what I use
halcyon mantle
since they look more geeky
sand goblet
nice pair of jabras for out and about
halcyon mantle
nice
red willow
I have this fear while jogging that a cyclist will be shouting at me to move and I won't hear them because of my music
sand goblet
at home I use some old hyperx headphones
plucky ridge
Speaking of bones and hearing things, I've been having this weird... I guess crackly noise when I swallow coming from my left ear. And when I try to pinch my nose and equalize the pressure, the left ear just doesn't feel quite right
No idea why
Literally feels like I can feel the bones in my ear
sand goblet
Maybe you need to get your ears syringed
halcyon mantle
as a professional, i would advise that you go to the doctors asap @plucky ridge
sand goblet
what kind of professional
viral panther
A professional professional
halcyon mantle
a professional doctor advisor
red willow
professional liar....
halcyon mantle
when somethings wrong all i say is go to the doctors
halcyon mantle
go to your lawyer
red willow
sounds like a great app idea
plucky ridge
I mean it doesn't hurt, it's not messing with my balance, and it comes and goes
So I'm not overly worried about it
halcyon mantle
are you from the UK @plucky ridge
sand goblet
rub some bacon on it
plucky ridge
I have insurance, but eh
red willow
i thought you were british
plucky ridge
Not all of us
halcyon mantle
i'm sure theres an app for that too
plucky ridge
Yeah we have virtual doc visits
plucky ridge
I could probably shoot my doc a message about it
Might do that later
Not super high on my list
halcyon mantle
but anonymous ones might be better
plucky ridge
Why?
halcyon mantle
or more comfortable
red willow
does it ever bother the Europeans on here (and Canadians), how many Americans are in this chat?
plucky ridge
I've gone to the same doctor for like.... 25+ years
halcyon mantle
there are some things i'd never go to the doctors for
plucky ridge
@red willow Is my presence bothersome?
halcyon mantle
no matter how serious
red willow
nope, I'm American
viral panther
Actually it bothers me how many Europeans and Canadians there are here. :Kappa:
plucky ridge
That's the dumbest shit I've heard in a while
halcyon mantle
noo
sand goblet
I've had to do that
plucky ridge
You do realize that's their job, right? To take care of you? And you'd be far from the first person they've seen like that
red willow
halcyon mantle
it's not about them it's about me
sand goblet
had my balls inspected by an old lady and an energetic indian dude
it's their job so, like, whatever
also I was in pain
plucky ridge
Yep
halcyon mantle
a woman... damn
viral panther
It's better to be embarrassed than to miss a health problem...
sand goblet
yup
halcyon mantle
i'd be more comfortable with someone the same sex
sand goblet
you'll miss them when they're gone
halcyon mantle
so long as they aren't interested in the same sex
plucky ridge
@sand goblet Your testicles?
sand goblet
yup
viral panther
Besides, the doctors and nurses really won't care
plucky ridge
Nuts to that
red willow
do you know how many naked folks they see per day?
sand goblet
I mean true, they make you go bald and give you acne, but
halcyon mantle
you can't convince me @viral panther
plucky ridge
Your funeral
red willow
he's a non-nudist
plucky ridge
I think the term is never-nude
red willow
sorry, never-nude
undone berry
Nothing wrong with being a never nude. There's literally dozens of them
plucky ridge
It's intentional
You see how I normally write, I tend to say silly things like "I is done" more for emphasis
red willow
maybe
sand goblet
I do that
plucky ridge
Same when I do somethin' like that
Didn't save me a keystroke, but you hear it in your head slightly differently
red willow
so never nudes actually exist?
red willow
they shower with underwear on?
red willow
that seems like a hassle
halcyon mantle
Nooo you're misunderstanding
undone berry
I think it's more anxiety than just embarrassment
red willow
seems like anxiety to me
undone berry
They don't even do it in private
plucky ridge
Both possibly?
red willow
too much body shaming
honest star
(I have a very friendly cat who is a bit clumsy and steps on my keyboard a lot)
halcyon mantle
Difference between getting all naked infront of the doc and stepping into the shower
plucky ridge
@honest star So, a cat
honest star
This one is... particularly clumsy. He's all legs.
red willow
wait until you get married @halcyon mantle ....
plucky ridge
@halcyon mantle There shouldn't be a difference. They're both regular things that help keep you healthy
I mean so long as the doctor is ASKING you to undress and you're not just like, doing it
Probably weird to go in with an earache and then you strip down to your socks
halcyon mantle
loll
plucky ridge
And it's rare that you'll be 100% nude. Usually it's lowering the trousers and then back up again
plucky ridge
Well, that's part of the examination
halcyon mantle
It gets big š³
plucky ridge
They won't care
red willow
.....that would be weird
plucky ridge
It's a human reaction, they're doctors
If you think THAT would weird them out, well
red willow
too much anxiety for that to happen though
red willow
at worst, you have a great story in the future that should get some laughs
halcyon mantle
And get a replacement doctor
plucky ridge
But long story short, doctors won't care, you'd hardly be the first person that would have had that happen to them
halcyon mantle
Ok
plucky ridge
Fear of talking to your doctor about stuff is a good way to make a minor problem into a larger one
They're there for that exact purpose, to help take care of stuff when it's easy to treat or take care of
If it needs to be examined, so be it
halcyon mantle
I should date a nurse
plucky ridge
Why are they crazy? I mean it takes a special mentality of person to want to work in the medical field, work the long, stressful hours, and go through that amount of schooling
Also I'm a crazy magnet, so that doesn't help
halcyon mantle
Lol
plucky ridge
Can and will
halcyon mantle
Online dating is actually pretty good
halcyon mantle
Good job i didn't understand what he meant
plucky ridge
Oh okay you meant the phrase, gotcha
halcyon mantle
basic girls are the worst
plucky ridge
Eh, people are people
sand goblet
yup, everyone's different
plucky ridge
Could just as easily say that people who judge others just because they like pumpkin spice latte and wear Ugg boots are also the worst
halcyon mantle
pumpkin spice latte is nice though
plucky ridge
Exactly
sand goblet
it's OK to have your own personal taste
they're not the worst though
manipulators are the worst
plucky ridge
Been one and been with those
halcyon mantle
how do you be manipulative
plucky ridge
People who intentionally try to make someone else do something they either normally wouldn't want to do or something
halcyon mantle
did you see pewdiepies new video?
plucky ridge
Yep to what gdude said
halcyon mantle
it was a reaction to this couple and the guy was trying to persuade this big girl to lose weight
plucky ridge
I take it not in a constructive or supportive way
halcyon mantle
i believe it was
you'd have to watch it but she was getting angry
and he was just trying to help her
sand goblet
I mean even if he was being constructive, I can think of reasons she might be unhappy with it
plucky ridge
That also happens. You can't help those who don't want it
Sure sure
The fact that there's a video of it, for one
Not sure if I'd want a video of my intervention
sand goblet
yeah, me neither
halcyon mantle
it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52PtNDXTvfU
halcyon mantle
haha yeah
sand goblet
I'm in a call and working on an MC mod so I'm not gonna watch either way, but
I do already find pewdiepie annoying
halcyon mantle
ok
it doesn't bother me
i got bored of minecraft a long time ago
oh.. i have no idea because i play on console
i guess i have no creativity lol
sand goblet
well it depends on the mods
there are a lot of magic/exploration packs too
it's not all tech
halcyon mantle
they should allow mods on console
i always hate this
PC and console users being seperated, it's annoying
halcyon mantle
lol minecraft dungeons
doesn't include mine or craft
idk i stopped playing minecraft years ago
either i build something myself and it looks bad, or i follow some youtube tutorial and it still ends up looking bad
viral panther
Build things programmatically
halcyon mantle
i guess it's preference, singleplayer can be more peaceful
and not have to monitor everyone in your game lol
for griefing
stark prawn
Depends on who your friends are I guess.
halcyon mantle
@rough sapphire the power of PC :((
@stark prawn i don't have friends i just look in groups... yea i'm sad
think he means like redstone?
viral panther
No. Just write what you want in code. Don't do things by hand
Want a big building? Build it using code. You're a programmer!
halcyon mantle
I'm also a console player :P
halcyon mantle
i am not even sure how you would do that
what would you do when you spend 3 irl days building a house, only to realise you built it facing the wrong way?
viral panther
For fun you can use computer vision to help
sand goblet
worldedit it
viral panther
Pwn: Fix your code. You can set up a DSL for building quick walls or something
halcyon mantle
on console? @viral panther
sand goblet
worldedit: let's just rotate the house
halcyon mantle
yeah i wish i had that
viral panther
No, I thought you were asking about how to fix a code problem
viral panther
Maybe
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire Ah, yeah, that's easy to do. Just set your status to Do Not Disturb
viral panther
But yeah, why do things by hand? That's for non-programmers and people without tools
rough sapphire
But yeah, e-mail is a lot harder. Sent a message to Discord to see how I can re-enable that. We'll see. ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
viral panther
I don't see it
I would never do any serious amount of work by hand, but you do you
rough sapphire
Is swap memory called swap memory in windows too?
stark prawn
page file
rough sapphire
I wonder why it's not just called virtual memory
are there any differences between the implementations for each system is it just semantics?
halcyon mantle
lazy
stark prawn
Pagefile and swapfile are similar.
sand goblet
yeah
leaden shuttle
I prefer swapfile since you can resize it with ease
a parition is more fixed, well you could techincally resize your partition but itsn't not something you should do all the time 
lofty dirge
Windows/Linux work similar with Memory except Windows does push stuff to pagefile even when it's not strictly required but will attempt to cache with memory
leaden shuttle
I remember increasing my pagefilesize on Windows (7? I think), the default size was pretty low afair.
I recall having 8gb ram and increasing pagefile to 12gb
atleast from win10 it seems like the mimum amount is 1.5x your ram size
rancid forge
ok @rough sapphire so im finally getting to the computer today and i just realized: i need a line buffer
i can't just color the top separately from the bottom because currently im just reading the raw bits, converting them in sets of three into numbers from 0 to 16777215, then turning them into 8-bit values
this means these are my goals:
- flip the result upside-down so it looks proper
- implement the thing xx came up with
- publish the source
- uhh...
modern heron
okay fellas and galls. I dont know how Im gonna do this but I have 46 folders numbered 1-46. In each folder is up to 5 folders each with contents inside of it. How could I quickly just move all the folders inside the numbered folders, random folder into the base. Heres what I mean:
1
2
3
4
5 - {
- hello
- hi
- test - {
- folder1
- folder2 - {
- other stuff in here, you get it
}
}
}
... continues
How could I loop through and get the contents of every folder in 1/ to move into 1/
if any of that makes sense
Idk how to approach it
modern heron
yeah
viral panther
gray goblet
do you wanna hear some bizarre music from peru?
leaden bridge
hi
normal elbow
is this intended? xD
oak summit
probably not
normal elbow
xD
graceful basin
IIRC discord bug
rough sapphire
oh no wrong server :<
undone berry
that also probably technically breaks rule 5
rough sapphire
Removed preemtively
That should've went to an adivse channel about medical cannabis
undone berry
I doubt mods would care, but technically against the rules is how they getcha
I don't know who "they" is in this context
plucky ridge
Morning, folks
lime gazelle
I was doing some research on OSSU and like, I've found a couple of reddit posts saying that the course it's too long and resources aren't that good.
Is it like, true? Or is it just bogus?
Because like, 2/3 hours a day for 2 years to get a full CS education seems too little compared to what you actually study in uni?
lofty dirge
Itās probably strictly computer science compared to full broad education you get at UNI
lime gazelle
It's supposed to mimic a CS course from university
So like, whatever it's in the OSSU curriculum should be in a CS curriculum as far as I understand it
lofty dirge
Sure but what about math science literature and other courses you have to take at uni to graduate?
lofty dirge
Depends where you live. What country you in?
lime gazelle
Italy
lofty dirge
In United States university is 4 years broad education
viral panther
We had to take at least one science elective and two mandatory physics classes for my CS degree
lofty dirge
is designed according to the degree requirements of undergraduate computer science majors, minus general education (non-CS) requirements, as it is assumed most of the people following this curriculum are already educated outside the field of CS.
lime gazelle
We had to take at least one science elective and two mandatory physics classes for my CS degree
@viral panther Yep same here, but it makes sense
Sadly no physics in the OSSU curriculum
graceful basin
why would you store that information in triplicate?
graceful basin
private double celsius;
private double fahrenheit;
private double kelvin;
``` these are all the same thingYou only need 2 conversion methods really, celcius <-> Kelvin <-> fahrenheit.
You can then use those to create the other.s
bleak rain
shrug
stark prawn
There's also too many magic numbers.
scenic briar
LOL
errant wyvern
may I share my color thinking emotes?
plucky ridge
I mean you can use them at appropriate times in a conversation as you would any other emote. Would prefer if they weren't just spammed to a channel
errant wyvern
oh okay
graceful basin
well, this is concerning
ornate marlin
That's rather concerning actually
a coordinate anti-python attack?
likely coincidence ofc
rough sapphire
My mind growth rate have dropped after i started talking in discord.py instead here.
surreal otter
do you have a graph?
ornate marlin
well, yes, but I measure my thoughts by which Discord channels I'm talking in
wait- oh gods--
undone berry
my kitchen has a leak directly onto what I'm assuming is a live wire. A wire which has been mentioned to the incompetent as fuck landlord several times. This causes the electrics in my kitchen to trip - now I have no food to eat and also have to deal with my shitty useless piece of shit landlord
God I hate rented accomodation
red willow
you need to move
undone berry
I do - and I am soon. Still just very fucking annoying in the short term
not that whining here achieves all that much
red willow
he should lose his license to landlord
undone berry
This is the UK - the regulations around landlording are incredibly shoddy and ill enforced. Need a license for a TV - but not to be a landlord
sand goblet
in Ireland you'd complain to the council and the landlord would be forced to fix it
simple sand
what is terminal
soft violet
A word, an descriptor of some illnesses which result deadly outcome, an often text-based user interface for a computer system.
bleak rain
Ight boys, best web hosting option for Django?
I tried porkbun but couldn't get it to work... :U
stiff marsh
Anyone want to exchange stufff
gentle moss
@undone berry the regs have changed and should be in effect by now
it's that "fit for human habitation" lark
that looks like electrical wires and a leak
undone berry
Last night the electric was tripping in the kitchen instantly. Now the electric is apparently fine. The only issue is I just shouted at the estate agents/landlord on the phone saying I had no electric - so I look like a right mug
gentle moss
well that still sounds like an electrical problem
undone berry
it definitely is - but they think we're just complete fucking morons
gentle moss
i guess try to get it on video next time it happens?
undone berry
yeah, that's clearly the solution
gentle moss
i mean those loose wires and shit do not look great either
electrical hazards
is a listed reason
this doodad suggests calling your council to enquire about it
rough sapphire
God I hate rented accomodation
@undone berry feel you on that one
gentle moss
being a landlord isn't even a fricking job
that's not employment income it's investment income
rough sapphire
at least with my own apartment i'm entirely responsible for fixing any fuckery that might be going on and have nobody else to blame for incompetence than myself
gentle moss
they're directly scraping a tenant's labour value by giving them somewhere to live
that is usually shitty.
undone berry
I don't even have any contact info for my landlord, they go through a letting agent. But the letting agent still needs permission from them for anything, so it's literally just the landlord being a lazy coward doing the bare minimum to be able to legally rent
rough sapphire
our last landlord was a charity org
gentle moss
"oh we'll have to get in touch with the landlord, but he's on holiday at the moment."
rough sapphire
who also went through a letting agency
rough sapphire
luckily i think there wasn't ever anything wrong with the last place i lived so i never had to contact them
rough sapphire
we painted the walls wacky colours
and also drew (and invited guests to draw) on a wall
gentle moss
:D
rough sapphire
i hope my housemates painted over that before they left
i left a tad bit earlier than they did
gentle moss
bet my ass i wont get my deposit back leaving here
it'll be something dumb and minor too
"oh we didn't give you permission to sand and re-varnish all the doors."
as if it's a negative. š
rough sapphire
i got my deposit back
well... sorta
my housemate has it
or hopefully she's already used it to pay our outstanding bills
we racked up like a grand total by the end
@gentle moss your deposit? more like my free money amirite? lmao š
gentle moss
if i'm not getting it back i'll at least get my money's worth
just drill a load of holes in the walls and put rawl plugs in them
"oh no, every square inch of the walls was hung with beautiful artwork."
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
i think the picture is illustrative
gentle moss
it got my hopes up for an extreme sports electric scooter accident
gentle moss
salt. lots of salt
undone berry
I hate slugs more than I think anything else in the world
horrifying little bastards
pliant horizon
Does anyone know a solution to the RTC Connecting problem?
rough sapphire
i've eaten a couple of 'em live for dares n shit
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
too late, it's impossible to stop now
undone berry
there was a horrifying set of posts on Reddit. A girl complained about sores in the back of her throat, then posted a jar of slugs on /r/whatsthisthing, and in the end it turned out her boyfriend was feeding them to her
gentle moss
what
rough sapphire
what
rough sapphire
i... what
gentle moss
was he eating them too?
undone berry
and given that the account/posts were promptly deleted - it sounded very real
I don't know. The last post was only like 1 paragraph and very quickly deleted
gentle moss
if he's eating them then it's less malice and more stupidity
another thing
i check my cupboards all the fucking time
i think i'd notice a jar of slugs
pliant horizon
wtf
pliant horizon
Does anyone know a solution to the RTC Connecting problem tho?
gentle moss
"am i overreacting?"
undone berry
I misremembered all the details, but that's the one
undone berry
oh god - I hadn't seen that one. That's awful
soft violet
re: Slug guy
gentle moss
that's fucked
undone berry
Yeah. That's insanely messed up
soft violet
I get how something far less egregious could be just a joke, but this...yeah...how about no?
Does no work?
Great.
undone berry
This is some kind of psychopathy
gentle moss
having someone you trust / love betray you so egregiously is so psychologically damaging
soft violet
Nevermind someone died from eating a slug the other year.
A parasitic infestation I think.
undone berry
Yeah. xx linked something similar a bit earlier. They are dangerous to eat
bleak rain
I recently left a weird relationship where my partner was contaminating my food ect. wat
That must've been a nightmare breakup
rough sapphire
That must've been a nightmare breakup
@bleak rain i dunno, i've had three break ups in my life and all of them have been pretty difficult as i was unable to give very good reasons why i wanted to break up
i think "you're feeding me fucking slugs" is a pretty solid reason
hoary sleet
The server is back up
bleak rain
I've had chances to get out but I've fucked all of them up because I'm chronically picky
bleak rain
berg* :^)
bleak rain
oh yeah, it was on the news lmao
bleak rain
but the plague does come up every year IIRC
eager trout
imagine if the airports were open
bleak rain
Yeah
I wouldn't be surprised if this sparked WW3 due to incresed tensions between China and the rest of the world (USA)
plucky ridge
I thought there was a vaccine for black plague...
bleak rain
It's bacteria so antibiotics works just fine
sand goblet
It's very treatable yeah, not really a worry
eager trout
imagine if viruses could breed with other viruses or bacteria though
every single week
bruh Im done
eager trout
sometims I wonder why doctors still bother
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire
It Seems The Moderatorā¢ļøs Want Us To Move HereĀ©ļø.
@eager trout Hello SirĀ®ļø.
torpid bough
BruhĀ®ļø.
eager trout
sup
rough sapphire
We Are Lookingā¢ļø For IntellectualĀ©ļø DiscussionĀ®ļø.
rough sapphire
Me And Mervelyā¢ļø.
bleak rain
This is the most mild troll I have seen in a while
rough sapphire
We Are Not Trollingā¢ļø We Are UsingĀ©ļø Grammarā¢ļø.
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire Helloā¢ļø Is TrademarkedĀ©ļø By The Hello CorporationĀ®ļø.
halcyon mantle
Stoppp
plucky ridge
Flex Bicep
rough sapphire
Ylevrem.
halcyon mantle
@plucky ridge These guys are alts
plucky ridge
Of each other?
rough sapphire
What.
halcyon mantle
Yes
rough sapphire
How Am I An Altā¢ļø.
halcyon mantle
Yeah ok
rough sapphire
Mervely Even Has Multiple Accounts Connected.
plucky ridge
I'd appreciate it if you knocked it off with the "tm" bit at least
Bit irritating
Or any other trailing symbol
halcyon mantle
Notice how they use the same language, and what not
halcyon mantle
Stop capitalising every word
rough sapphire
Why.
halcyon mantle
I will have nightmares now
eager trout
some people finna get banned
halcyon mantle
Can agree
plucky ridge
For some reason I always imagined the troll face having a like... single row tooth. Kind of like a mouth guard
eager trout
nightmares are created by the lower self
rough sapphire
plucky ridge
Alright, ease up on the emoji and image spam
halcyon mantle
I kinda like being home alone
plucky ridge
What, are you Kevin McAlister?
halcyon mantle
Yes
plucky ridge
I really hope you actually got that reference
halcyon mantle
Home alone haha
plucky ridge
Good
rough sapphire
Home Aloneā¢ļø*
eager trout
gaaadam that's a big emoji
plucky ridge
Part of the reason why I have images not auto-load
Oh thank god there's a setting to not minify the code so I can figure out what the hell is going on
Or attempt to.
I'm beginning to really hate webpack
Yeah no, never mind. 99132 lines
That's not going to help me too terribly much
bleak rain
oof
undone berry
are you back onto coding problems? Or just tidying things up before you run at the deployment again @plucky ridge ?
plucky ridge
Deployment. Everything still seems to be working as intended
undone berry
just curious - what's webpack got to do with that?
plucky ridge
It's part of the build cycle that the office-addin stuff specifies
Oh well now that's interesting
When I do npm run start, any of the files that got sent to dist when I did npm run build are removed
Didn't expect that
undone berry
scripts is one of the nicest things about npm imo. You can very easily see what start/build/lint/whatever are doing
plucky ridge
I mean you say that, but.....
"scripts": {
"build": "webpack -p --mode production --https false",
"build:dev": "webpack --mode development --https false",
"build-dev": "webpack --mode development --https false && echo . && echo . && echo . && echo Please use 'build:dev' instead of 'build-dev'.",
"dev-server": "webpack-dev-server --mode development",
"lint": "office-addin-lint check",
"lint:fix": "office-addin-lint fix",
"prettier": "office-addin-lint prettier",
"start": "office-addin-debugging start manifest.xml",
"start:desktop": "office-addin-debugging start manifest.xml desktop",
"start:web": "office-addin-debugging start manifest.xml web",
"stop": "office-addin-debugging stop manifest.xml",
"validate": "office-addin-manifest validate manifest.xml",
"watch": "webpack --mode development --watch"
},
This is what I'm having to work with
And all of those are stuffed deep into node modules
And the files those reference are in even deeper ones
brittle timber
oh n o
plucky ridge
Well I'm probably wrong now that I look at it
I thought it was a lack of certificate, but I'm running this thing as http rather than https, so it's not likely to be that
plucky ridge
No no, this is an NPM package file
It shows what commands I can do linked to this project
brittle timber
ooooh
plucky ridge
So to quickly sum up what I'm working on, I'm making an Excel Add-in. It's a rewrite of one that was made back in 2001 by an employee here (who is no longer here). I've gotten it working, but deployment is the issue now
So I'm trying to figure out how to make a localhost on a machine and get it to properly serve the content to Excel
Uh
Is stackoverflow down for anyone else?
I'm getting a "Service is unavailable" message
brittle timber
i heard it's down, ye
plucky ridge
Well that doesn't bode well for my day
plucky ridge
Ahhhh, it is a web application
Okay
That clears up some things
So it's not a static page delivery that I need
honest star
Stackoverflow's been up for me all morning (related: fuck stylesheets)
plucky ridge
I second that
Although sass does make it slightly tolerable
Honestly I think I might dump my eggs into the React basket when I'm done with this
It's made making this add-in look good pretty easy
honest star
I'm trying to make this program not look like straight out of the 80s to avoid making a phone call. Applying stylesheets to Qt is... a new world of hurt for someone who throws bootstrap at every styling issue I come across. (Also because we're apparently having infinity sponsors at this field test and so it actually matters if it looks presentable)
undone berry
if you're just not trying to do anything too extraordinary, using a framework makes it pretty easy
oh
non css stylesheets
oh
that is awful
honest star
I am NOT a fan so far. Especially because of hot Qt does classes. If I apply a style to a QFrame it affects all the classes it inherits from which... is not always clear.
plucky ridge
Kivy does it pretty well
honest star
Who knew a QTableView inherits from a QFrame. Not me shrug
undone berry
Kivy doesn't really have stylesheets
honest star
Otherwise, I LOVE Qt. It's great and the pyqtgraphing library is 90% of everything I want.
undone berry
their markup covers both style and layout entirely
plucky ridge
Sure sure, that's more what I meant
undone berry
the web is where it's at
who needs qt when you have bokeh or charts.js or whatever
that's the life
honest star
So question. With web displaying python applications with bokeh and the like, do you need a webserver to host it? Can you host it locally on an offline network?
plucky ridge
I think Python has a built in server
Not sure if that's what it uses, though
So I'm sure it's possible to do it, but I don't know what method they use
undone berry
Python+Electron is a pretty standard setup
not sure on exactly how it works
but you can run a local server that way
solid pollen
Fun fact: the integrated python server is here because that's what is used to serve the docs, and you need it to be able to run a local copy
plucky ridge
I legit didn't know that, neat
brittle timber
that does sound neat
undone berry
I have to do a 5 hour introduction to outlook
5 damn hours
5 hours
that's insane
plucky ridge
As in take a 5 hour intro on it or give one
rancid forge
now that just sounds like torture
plucky ridge
You getting paid for it at least?
undone berry
well - yes. But I'd be getting paid for much more interesting things if it wasn't for that
undone berry
yeah, I'm essentially getting paid to listen the bare minimum and chat shit on here
but it's distracting enough that I can't do meaningful work
plucky ridge
Yep, sounds like training
solid pollen
5 hours?! Are you sure it isn't actually "Introduction to outlook, programming, networking, stmp, and creating outlook from scratch"?
undone berry
one of the first videos is How to get help and presumably the answer is press f1
but it's 3 minutes long
well - press f1 and also there's a search box
undone berry
can't - it's on some shitty learning platform
solid pollen
But... What is exactly the point haha
bleak rain
^^^^ wondering the same
solid pollen
You don't know how to use an email client
undone berry
i dunno - just gotta do a abunch of training to keep the training people happy
solid pollen
Lol
bleak rain
This is your brain on capitalistic western society
training for training's sake
||at least you have a job||
undone berry
that's true - I'm very happy about that
lost frigate
If everything on earth died there is no way
meager ledge
maybe were living in a simulation and the creators let us respawn
infinite is not true and false
meager ledge
hard to say
we cannot say were living in a simulation until weve managed to make one
elon musk says theres a 90% chance were living in a simulation
lost frigate
If u think about
We have had simulations many many times before
Dreams
We spend about 20 years total dreaming
Some people consider it an alternate reality
meager ledge
dreams arent a simulation because we are experiencing them, other people dont live in them
lost frigate
U could be wrong
meager ledge
a simulation would kinda be like the sims except everybody would be self conscious and could make decisions, also be self aware