... jesus?
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
undone berry
and I like hating on star wars
kindred flower
No problem, I'm a psychologist so I love discussing topics about society
viral parrot
darth maul?
high verge
no jesus
viral parrot
๐
undone berry
Prequels > OT > sequels
high verge
wait so no discussion of religion either
kindred flower
@undone berry all the disney stuff has been pretty bad
high verge
maybe just keep these channels as the quirky inside joke channels
undone berry
yeah, none of it was at all good
kindred flower
OT > prequeles > sequals
undone berry
get in the bin
rough sapphire
well to be frank i hate star wars with the greatest passion of all
undone berry
Prequels were great
kindred flower
memes: prequeles > OT > sequels
viral parrot
i actually liked episode 8
rough sapphire
they're all shit
viral parrot
there..
high verge
.topic
median domeBOT
What Easter tradition do you enjoy most?
kindred flower
@viral parrot 8 is about 1/3 an amazing movie and 2/3 a dogshit movie imo
viral parrot
now i cant get more off-topic ๐
high verge
oh i think i saw episode 8
undone berry
@viral parrot if Rian johnson had had the other 2 movies, it might have been good. But it was very out of sync with 7/9
high verge
was alright
rough sapphire
what
high verge
i mean starwars is just like any otehr series now
viral parrot
Star wars needs a show runner
high verge
kinda like james bond
viral parrot
like they have in tv-series
high verge
it's just a setting for some pew pew lasers
kindred flower
I love Ryan Johnson's other work, but he wasn't right for a middle of a triliogy movie
viral parrot
to keep the director at bay
kindred flower
he would have made the best contained story though
viral parrot
ryan would be perfect for a new trillogy set in the old republic
kindred flower
I would still say he is better for one off movies
he doesn't do well in series based on his writing style
undone berry
It can't be JJ Abrams though, he pretty much admitted to never liking Star Wars to begin with
viral parrot
a director does not have to like something to make a good movie
he just needs to direct the actors and set the vision for the movie
problem is that, in movies, the director is king, and have the final say
so its hard to get a continuity going one.
kindred flower
yeah, which is why the prequeles are a hot mess
viral parrot
need some concurent futures in sw
kindred flower
Lucas is a good visionary but a bad director
undone berry
I feel like with something like Star Wars, you do have to enjoy the thing to be able to make a good movie. The fanbase is a massive part of Star Wars, and making a good movie that the fans dislike isn't really good enough
Maybe just having the OT characters as cameos
or small parts
rather than focal points
I agree
viral parrot
I would say it served its purpuse, to finish the third act. but i do not agree that it should have been done.
star wars have lived of vague plots
yes, and it closed the psudo rebelion in the third act.
all parts of episode 8 is really wall structured
well directed
great storywriting.
episode 8 should just not have been a sw movie
put any other new IP into it, and it would be great
thats whats good about episode 8
undone berry
yeah, that's very true
viral parrot
to bad it was indeed a star wars movie
undone berry
Even the fight choreography in it was terrible
viral parrot
as you might guess, i have some star wars in me ๐
viral parrot
no, its canceled @undone berry
viral parrot
yes, im sad
honest star
(Y'all should watch Knives Out though)
viral parrot
the new books from the new extended universe are great btw
honest star
It's a great comedy murder mystery type of movie. (Directed by Rian Johnson which is why it's relevant)
viral parrot
no, not non-canon
the new canon
where chewie lives and so on
disney approved
not in the old extended universe
he had the most epic of deaths
just writing these lines, gives me shivers and goose-bumps
but the old authors from star wars legends, are ret-conning (not sure about the spelling) old stuff from legends
like thrawn is now part of the canon again
bleak rain
Man, imagine the kind of people that can build up entire microcosmoses like george lucas and jk rowling etc
viral parrot
the heir to the empire books are marvelously great
bleak rain
I would give anything to have their creativity
viral parrot
jk wrote great books, one of my favorite book is a HP book
bleak rain
Not to get rich or anything, but the satisfaction that would come from knowing that you created something truly bigger than yourself (even if the only person knowing about it is you) must be overwhelming
undone berry
JK Rowling's world building is mediocre. For impressive world building, look to Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson and Steven Erikson and JRR Tolkien
viral parrot
but its really cheap story writing
bleak rain
Sure, but it's still large
viral parrot
her world building is so sub par that its almost a joke
bleak rain
I can barely come up with a novel
undone berry
not compared to the ones I just mentioned
viral parrot
but they are still great
bleak rain
Just the fact that they can operate on that order of magnitude is just stunning to me
viral parrot
people should read Brandon Sanderson
honest star
Oh god. Erikson. That's world building on steroids and cocaine.
undone berry
people should indeed read Brandon Sanderson
viral parrot
his world building rules are also great
undone berry
Stormlight 4 in a few months
viral parrot
the three rules of world building, or whats it called
yes.. do you have the date?
i have it on preorder
undone berry
September the somethingth
viral parrot
but not sure about the date
undone berry
oh november 17th
honest star
Sanderson also has a great lecture series up on Youtube where he talks about his process and rules for writing and worldbuilding
viral parrot
i think everyone agrees to that @rough sapphire
undone berry
that's like 2 more months than I thought
bleak rain
Hot take: The closest humans will get to God is not simply though creativity (too generic) but specifically through creating their own fictional universes
bleak rain
it all makes sense
viral parrot
he have been writing the song of ica and fire for years now
i read the first book as a child in the 90s
just cant remeber when exactly
when you spend 30 years world building, it better be good ๐
undone berry
he's been writing the most recent book for years now...
viral parrot
same with the other authors we have mentioned
and patrick ofc. but he is more obsessed with world building then any i know
undone berry
Patrick only has two books, it's hard to read too much into his world building I feel. He's very passionate about it though
viral parrot
oh. you should go and get the kingkiller chronicles by patrick rothfuss
undone berry
They're good reads, but frustratingly unfinished
viral parrot
like.. you really should, if you cant afford it, rent it in your local library
undone berry
KKC that is
viral parrot
they are so well written.
true to tolkiens legacy i would say
build the world first, and the story will come from it
its really nice to read in hard-cover though ๐
im sure once you are half way though the name of the wind, you would want to get it ๐
undone berry
I enjoyed KKC, and people should try it. But there is definitely some weirdness
undone berry
for example ||Kvothe sexily sexing the sexy sex fairy|| is quite eh
book 2 spoiler
not that big of a spoiler
viral parrot
lol.. yes... great spoiler tag ๐
i think maybe more people will go out and get it now ๐
the lucky thing about KKC, is that while you are waiting for book 3, you can litterly read every other book in existence ๐
honest star
Can you use your local library for books?
viral parrot
I can at least
undone berry
Most people in the EU probably can
viral parrot
i can rent books, audio books and digital copies
undone berry
I just buy everything in ebook form because I'm lazy
honest star
Why not? Libraries are great!
viral parrot
i have a kindle, its also great to read on
undone berry
Actually. I own Joe Abercrombie books in 3 formats. Audio, ebook, and paper
viral parrot
much better then a normal monitor for my eyes
undone berry
I own one but don't use it. Phone is just too convenient for me
I'd love an eink phone though
honest star
I โค๏ธ my kindle and also scribd. Only reason I can get through books at a reasonable pace
viral parrot
i loved the Joe Abercrombie book.. ermmm..
wheat cloak
@rough sapphire yo dm me
undone berry
The Blade Itself, First Law Trilogy
viral parrot
yes., thats the one
undone berry
non fiction books bore me to death
viral parrot
i also use my kindle for technical books
undone berry
well non fiction books that are like programming stuff
I can read interesting non-fiction
honest star
I've heard the First Law Trilogy is good, been tempted to check it out once I read the next Malazan.
undone berry
First Law Trilogy is very good
Probably my favourite series besides Pratchett/Douglas Adams
viral parrot
oh well... guess i have to go and do something productive ๐ been nice talking books with you ๐
bleak rain
@rough sapphire so relatable, I only read tech books and informative stuff anymore
leaden shuttle
I only read technical books and then listen to audiobooks for the rest 
bleak rain
Yup. I've had Letters from a stoic at about 3/4 done for at least a month now
leaden shuttle
Really nice when biking
viral parrot
audiobooks are the best though
like now, i need to fix something for my wife.. i listen to a book while doing so
bleak rain
I do stuff 1 by 1
viral parrot
๐
bleak rain
Ah yes, the true husband with undivided attention
viral parrot
well.. guess i need to leave again ๐ later guys. keep discussions clean ๐
bleak rain
haha right
short footnote... this statistic always scares me
I think it was usa
anyway... "50% of all marriages end in divorce"
that is all
Like isn't that crazy????
I genuinely think about that every now and then
every single time a couple meet up and get married, they flip a coin
Like goddamn
Statistically it is
sure but you don't know if you will be the exception or the rule
you don't know if you will be one of the millions of husbands who will fuck shit uo
leaden shuttle
Just don't get married, don't risk it 
leaden shuttle
he's got you there
bleak rain
I don't? that's my point I'm making
leaden shuttle
Anyone in here into 3d printing? I am looking to buy my first printer ๐ค
bleak rain
yes, that is my standpoint as well
honest star
I am very much into 3D printing! What're you looking to do with a printer and what's your budget?
undone berry
I feel like with the right data, it would be very easy to predict
bleak rain
point still stands, Marriage absolutely terrifies me
undone berry
great business idea. Hang about at churches, collect data on couples, then offer them a discount on divorce lawyers when your ML model predicts a divorce will happen
bleak rain
That being said one of my dream goals is becoming a family father and raising kids
undone berry
I'm a god
bleak rain
@undone berry hahaha lit
undone berry
give me my billions
leaden shuttle
hey @honest star I wanna print some keyboard cases: https://github.com/mattdibi/redox-keyboard/tree/master/redox-w/case I am looking to spend no more on 450 euro on it.
Or maybe some more, I don't really know 
undone berry
Predicting a date would be very hard, predicting yes/no I don't think would be
Yeah, it's very data dependant. Simple stuff like time together before marriage, time living together before marriage, and some other simple metrics like that I think could build a reasonably effective model though
bleak rain
Bet it's already made though somewhere out there
Divorce lawyers hate him! Learn how he dodged marriage with this ONE simple trick!
undone berry
most ML is just a big ole pile of correlation mixed together
at least for stuff that's put into practice
It would make the world a worse place. ML/AI is not near good enough for that stuff to be widespread yet
honest star
@leaden shuttle Okay, so you're looking for a fairly mid-range consumer FDM/FFF printer. I'm very partial to Prusa, but it's pricey.
You could go for an Ender. I've heard good things about the Ender Pro 3 and you can add some upgrades for not too much money that'll make it easier to use (i.e. auto-bed levelling upgrade type of item).
There are a bunch of other printers, like MakerBot or even starting with a bare RepRap and building it from the ground up, but the Ender is solid.
A great resource for initial buying of a 3D printer is actually a subreddit, r/3Dprinting. They have a monthly thread where people recommend printers for people. It's pretty good for up to date information.
undone berry
funny idea though
leaden shuttle
@honest star alright cheers, I've been looking at the Ender 3 and the pro. ๐
plucky ridge
And yet that still leaves me confused and concerned
undone berry
I think AI/ML is used in places it shouldn't be right now
honest star
Prusas are a solid workhorse of a printer. And I like that it's (mostly) open source but you don't have to struggle to build it or upgrade it.
plucky ridge
We saw the same thing with "blockchain" a couple years ago
undone berry
AI/ML is great at things like object detection or image classification - less so at things where it's interpreting humans
AI/ML has been a buzzword since 2016
and realistically for longer
plucky ridge
"Can we machine learn our way out of this world"
honest star
Most people want an ML/AI product in their tech/research endeavors, most people just need a well-done script with a side of regular algorithms.
plucky ridge
I mean.... kind of
In those instances it only learns it once, and that's from the source code
It's not changing anything about its own behavior independently
rough sapphire
@honest star it depends
bleak rain
But the definition is usually loose enough to encompass all of it, no?
Don't hate the companies, hate the definition
plucky ridge
Well it sort of it
undone berry
AI/ML has no rigid definition
plucky ridge
But it's if statements that the programmer didn't write
undone berry
Linear Regression fits a lot of definitions of ML
which is fine - but also not that impressive
plucky ridge
That's news to me
plucky ridge
Last time I checked they're the reason most code functions
bleak rain
linear regression is impressive
bleak rain
honestly not joking I think simple cartesian coordinate systems are so cool
like it's such a clever way of symbolising one thing's dependence on another
undone berry
If statements are more like decision trees and NNs
rough sapphire
@undone berry PCA is linear ๐ฎ
undone berry
or random forest
high verge
yeah you really see the coolness with things like complex numbers
the magic concept of things being independent
and having another thing be dependent on the two independent things
and having relationships between them
bleak rain
The first time I heard "multiplying by i rotates everything 90 degrees" my whole world was shooketh
rough sapphire
@bleak rain that's just because complex numbers are taught so badly
undone berry
Random Forest is where it's at if you like trees
undone berry
random forest is cooler just because if the image it brings to mind
bleak rain
rough sapphire
they shouldn't even be called complex numbers
bleak rain
even worse "imaginary" numbers
rough sapphire
yeah
high verge
well complex as in imaginary and also non imaginary
rough sapphire
there is nothing imaginary about them
high verge
well there's nothing 'real' about real numbers
bleak rain
yup
undone berry
My 11 fingers say otherwise
high verge
all the names are made up
rough sapphire
the natural numbers are the only numbers that make sense
bleak rain
like WAT
high verge
i don't see why imaginary is any more silly than other names
bleak rain
yeah
plucky ridge
Spooky numbers
leaden shuttle
@honest star how much filament do you think it would take to print the files I linked? ๐ค
blazing frost
what do you use python or pycharm
bleak rain
lmao, the new subclass of numbers
rough sapphire
there was this great video by numberphile about the classes of numbers and when he gets to non-computable numbers my brain just exploded ๐คฏ
honest star
@leaden shuttle If those are just keyboard covers, you just need one spool on filament. You should be fine for calibration, test pieces, your keyboard covers, and then some with 1 spool.
bleak rain
use IDLE 
I generally like IDLE, it's comfy
I have a weird fetish for old-looking software that is clunky, I don't know
honest star
@leaden shuttle If the only thing you'd like to print are those keyboard keys, why not just have someone else print it for you?
bleak rain
That's why I used thunderbird for so long
leaden shuttle
I thought about that, but I want to print like 20-30 of them 
not sure if it's cost viable.
and having a 3D machine is rather neat I think
honest star
It's a good (and sometimes fun) tool to have, but it's still just a tool. So it's good to keep in mind other use cases if you do end up getting one.
leaden shuttle
Seems like arround 25 euro for a spool of black filament her in denmark :-)
for 1kg
honest star
Yeah, that's typical. What brand of filament?
leaden shuttle
Spectrum Filaments โ PLA โ 1.75mm โ Deep Black โ 1 kg
@honest star by using a filament calculater each piece is arround 50g, so in total it should only be about 250g for the entire case 
honest star
@leaden shuttle There are slicers you can use to convert STLs to gcode objects for printers. That'll give you a pretty good estimate on how much filament it'll take as well.
rough sapphire
@leaden shuttle are you danish
leaden shuttle
๐ค
leaden shuttle
oh I did?
rough sapphire
yeah i'm 100% positive
leaden shuttle
I have never eaten that, so it's not me 
leaden shuttle
oh a burger
yeah
I remember
It was
It was after my last exam :-)
@honest star I could also go resin based 
honest star
.... I think resin is more of a pain than it's worth for a typical home consumer use
leaden shuttle
I guess I would need a large one lol
alright
I'll stick with the Ender 3 then (non pro) found that in a local store
they didn't have the pro version
honest star
Because you have to worry about chemical, chemical disposal, chemical storage, general chemical safety and UV light safety. Aaaaand I find FFF/FDM printers to be a bit more versatile and commonly used, which is better for a first printer
honest star
Now SLS though... *heart eyes* one day when I can casually drop like 10k
leaden shuttle
They have a giant one in the workshop at my company ๐ค
maybe I should just get those guys to print it
lol
they sell it as a Halifax Burger
it's good
you make me hungry
and I am about to sleep
not quite the same my dude.
honest star
You can definitely ask or try! I know the US has hobby shops or maker spacers where you can usually print stuff like that for a reduced cost compared to professional printing services, not sure if where you are has that kind of thing
leaden shuttle
this is the place I ordered at: https://theburger.dk/ballerup/ @rough sapphire
honest star
Yeaaaah, the picture you posted is definitely a burger. A really tasty looking burger... but a burger.
leaden shuttle
What other things do I need for it Kutie? ๐ค Currently I have 3 rolls of filament in white and the ender 3 pro
nozzles?
honest star
@leaden shuttle So the Ender should come with everything to get it working. Nozzles, motor, stepper, belts, etc.
For the ender in particular, I know there's a list of upgrades most people recommend to make it a bit nicer to use. Let me see if I can find that list.
honest star
You should definitely look into getting the BLTouch Auto-Leveling Upgrade. https://www.creality3dofficial.com/collections/accessories/products/creality-bl-touch?sca_ref=10788.CFDqhuwn3C (You'll also need an adruino for this, but there are guides out there to go through the installation and upgrade process)
Manual bed levelling suuuuucks.
That's the only must-have upgrade I'm seeing. The others are really if you're experimenting further with 3D printing and want to experiment with other filament types.
leaden shuttle
doesn't looke like they have that one, I am using 3dstore.dk ๐ค
honest star
Aaah, okay. Well not required, just a nice to have.
leaden shuttle
nvm
this is it right? https://3dstore.dk/tilbehoer/reservedele/creality-3d/bl-touch-sensor-ex-cr10-ender-3-ender-3-pro-cr20-cr20-pro/
honest star
Yeah, that looks right
rough sapphire
That food above made me hungry
leaden shuttle
@honest star alright I'll wait abit with that one and try it out first without it :-)
I purchased the printer btw
thanks for the help
Where in europe are you at?
y
bulgaria?
= Da
I am gonna move to BG
yes
you told me already :D
Da
fiery pelican
ะะธัะตะณะพ ะฝะต ะฟะพะฝะธะผะฐั, ะฝะพ ัะฒะตัะตะฝ, ััะพ ะฒั ะบะปะฐััะฝัะต
good bye
rough sapphire
my main man lucky the ducky are we good
i didn't have you in my @ list anymore
i don't know why you did it
but I know why I did it
we can discuss in private
but my major reason was that we don't need to have this server prying on our 1:1 conversations
we basically had a one-on-one discussion
fervent dock
rough sapphire
The navbar?
high verge
yeah looks centered within its box i.e. excluding the 'lorem ipsum' title
but not actually centered on the page
rough sapphire
Yeah, I was trying to fix that using react-bootstrap but I think I need to manually style the component
And vertically align my card deck as well
bleak rain
omg yeah the header gives me anxiety
small fossil
https://i.imgur.com/c1eyIyD.gifv
Opinions on the button style?
small fossil
less rounded?
high verge
maybe have that be the click and the hover just be a slight 'excitement'
nah literally like pixel art but that's not really feasible lol
'grr make your website pixel art to make buttons look nicer'
small fossil
hmmm
high verge
what's the click like
small fossil
wdym
2px translation seems too extreme
but i prefer the less rounded side of it
wonder if i can mess around with the relative pos todo like 1.5px
round rose
I think square-ish buttons work better, yeah
small fossil
margin might work todo the separation better
round rose
It might be worth toning down the hover animation, I feel like more subtle movement would look nicer
round rose
Oh that's really neat
round rose
The last one, with 150ms, looks lovely imo
small fossil
but i need to change the colour scheme on them to make it les contrasting
rough sapphire
can we invite this @royal lake bot to our server?
small fossil
no but you can self host it
rough sapphire
wdym?
small fossil
rough sapphire
ohh its opensource
small fossil
Its open source so you can run it yourself :)
rough sapphire
cool
small fossil
ill try that rq
small fossil
vote time again. Left or Right https://i.imgur.com/DMLDyXr.gifv
topaz aurora
Definitely right
solid pollen
Both?
prisma geyser
Hi, am farely new to Java and this is way too off-topic but I didn't know where else to go!
Even though I have the files in src, still am getting a FileNotFoundException. Can anyone help?
sand goblet
I assume you're trying to use a resource that you're compiling into your jar?
prisma geyser
Umm..I just want to read a file which I downloaded from the net and pasted into "src" directory
sand goblet
Well, if you just open a file then it needs to be in the current working directory
Not a source file
Is this file going to be part of your distribution? Does it get distributed with your software, or is it downloaded at runtime?
If you just bundle it, load it as a resource
Otherwise you'll need to move it outside of the source directory or download it at runtime
prisma geyser
The file is already downloaded in my laptop and doesn't need to be downloaded in runtime
sand goblet
Then you need to move it to the current working directory
prisma geyser
So I need to paste it in the working directory instead of src
sand goblet
Which is probably the root of your project
cerulean venture
Gdude is idle and windows terminal are the same thing?
sand goblet
Nope
IDLE is a rudimentary python shell and editor
Windows terminal is.. well, a terminal
bleak rain
tfw you realize your code is starting to look like FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition
topaz aurora
Pretty sure half the code I wrote last year was full of unnecessary encapsulation
bleak rain
I have been trying to sidestep circular imports for the past half hour... sigh
I just like having modules seperated, it's neat looking
rough sapphire
Yo guys
bleak rain
hey hey heyyy
viral panther
There should be tools that help you avoid circular imports
Something to help draw a graph of dependencies
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge you mean this? https://github.com/thebjorn/pydeps
it even has automatic detection of just import cycles @viral panther (and @bleak rain) https://github.com/thebjorn/pydeps#import-cycles
bleak rain
oh, rad
def on():
global activated
activated = True
writer.labels[0].color = (0, 0, 0, 1)
writer_button.outline.color = (0, 0, 0, 1)
def off():
global activated
activated = False
writer.labels[0].color = (0, 0, 0, 0.5)
writer_button.outline.color = (0, 0, 0, 0.5)
def toggle():
if activated:
off()
else:
on()
these are the end times
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Ah! Yep, that's the one
bleak rain
At some point in your project you just want shit to work and you throw good coding practices out the window
I'm at that stage now
plucky ridge
Future you will hate you for it
When you're at that stage, it's best to take a step away from it for a moment to clear your head
bleak rain
I won't know the best way to structure up my inheritance and imports etc before I have enough instances
but when I have that many instances it becomes a pain to refactor
The duality of man, the catch 22 of programming
topaz aurora
Turns out using attrgetter instead of a lambda doesn't make that much of a difference in terms of line length when used like this
game_events.sort(key=lambda e: (e.category, e.event_id))
game_events.sort(key=attrgetter("category", "event_id"))
:+1: Thanks, xx
plucky ridge
@topaz aurora Does help performance a smidge
topaz aurora
I ought to try that out
I'm actually currently looking around more into stdlib to see what I could utilize alongside dataclasses
plucky ridge
It really is amazing all the wonderful little gems that're in the standard lib that go overlooked
I think it was Ves that taught me about the attrget thing
undone berry
gems? This isn't ruby
undone berry
https://discuss.python.org/groups/committers no jims here
undone berry
I was quite surprised at no Jamess
Technically just launched a new business. Although my part is actually very small https://www.cybersaur.io/
undone berry
for the Excel thing still?
plucky ridge
Yeah. So I had to give up on Visual Studio since I could not at all make any changes to the Taskpane it was generating
So I'm making a fresh one on VS Code using the Yoeman assistant they have
And I'm just no learning about export and import in TS/JS
So I feel a bit dumb not knowing about that previously (or at least not understanding how it worked)
undone berry
my understanding of that area isn't great at all. It's one of the things I know enough of to make it work, but couldn't explain any of how it works
plucky ridge
I'm slowly becoming proficient
Currently still floundering a little but no where near as much as I was
rough sapphire
ok
hello everyone
undone berry
Hello
sand goblet
It's interesting how loosely defined the import stuff is
Which is intentional to allow tools like webpack to process stuff like importing css files
plucky ridge
Well its interesting, with a single flag added to the tsconfig.json, I can load a .json file as if it's just a standard JS module
It's nuts
sand goblet
Yep that's handy too
plucky ridge
Hopefully I can get back to where I was here shortly
Been faster getting there so far
HELL yes
Okay, we're back in the game
rough sapphire
can someone help me with my maths homework?
plucky ridge
What specifically
rough sapphire
3 * Zoe = 7 * Hannah | Zoe = 24, so
3 * 24 = 7 * Hannah
...
And now just solve for Hannah
err
Is there a simpler formula to work this out?
wait, I
am stupid
๐ค
Sorry, didn't read right :P
It's okay
It's the other way around
Oh
plucky ridge
Okay, so this is going to sound dumb, but I have a weird way of working this out
rough sapphire
So you would have:
7 * Zoe = 3 * Hannah , and since Zoe receives 24, the solution is 7 * 24 = 3 * Hannah
plucky ridge
Right
rough sapphire
How would you work it out?^^ @plucky ridge
plucky ridge
So I'm really strange. I see those as fractions, kind of
rough sapphire
Hmm
plucky ridge
3 7
- -
24 ?
Then I just know that you multiply the corners and divide by the last known number
undone berry
How I'd work it out.
Zoe received 3/10ths of the total. That means 1/10th is worth ยฃ8. Hannah received 7/10ths
rough sapphire
Aight
plucky ridge
Again, I'm crazy
rough sapphire
Lol
undone berry
I'm pretty good at this kind of maths, and for some reason my brain dislikes Linus' way of showing it
plucky ridge
It's kind of similar to Stoichiometry that you learn in chemistry
rough sapphire
Okay give me a sec, gonna try work it out.
plucky ridge
I just wish I could remember WHY what I suggested works
rough sapphire
Everyone has their own way of doing this, I see ๐
plucky ridge
Too damn old
graceful basin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-multiplication you want this. In czech we call it trojclenka and have special notation for it, but IDK what the english equivalent is
plucky ridge
Thaaaaaaaaat's the one
rough sapphire
Ahh, yes I also learnt this once upon a time
rough sapphire
It's due tomorrow. Kill me :/
plucky ridge
It's great for conversions
undone berry
@rough sapphire don't leave homework to the last minute
either don't do it, or do it early
viral panther
K1: Did you get it?
rough sapphire
Yeah
viral panther
Hemlock: You have to take the reciprocal with your solution
rough sapphire
Yeah they helped me with the question.
plucky ridge
Light helping
viral panther
plucky ridge
You still have to do the grunt work
rough sapphire
Yup -.-
plucky ridge
@viral panther True, but my brain knows what to do
rough sapphire
Your calculator makes it look like matrix multiplication @viral panther
viral panther
It is a system of linear equations, TBH
plucky ridge
your mom is a system of linear equations
rough sapphire
Which I guess it is, technically ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
undone berry
when we get down to things - isn't everything a system of linear equations?
plucky ridge
My brain can't handle that level of philosophy at the moment
graceful basin
I mean, there are some nonlinear systems of equations
undone berry
you need some more specialist herbiage before going that far?
viral panther
Charlie: No :P
rough sapphire
(I) xยฒ = 2y
(II) y = 5
```is not a system of linear equations.@undone berry I'd rather likely drink tea made from my namesake than have to think deeply today
viral panther
You can't have transcendental in linear equations (???)
plucky ridge
I'm playing catchup to try and make up for lost ground due to VS fucking up
graceful basin
@rough sapphire look at the unit circle definitions for trig functions
undone berry
Have you got a hard deadline you're working towards?
remote socket
desmos solves all problems, in math and irl
viral panther
Also, if you ever have a teacher who asks you if your calculator has an infinity button...
graceful basin
when moving in a direction, you need to split the velocity into 2 parts, one in X and one in Y
undone berry
Just want to do it before your company switches?
plucky ridge
Yeah, pretty much
viral panther
plucky ridge
But I also don't have many other projects or what have you going on
undone berry
Fair enough. Don't beat yourself up over slow progress; ime that just leads to slower progress
round rose
It has two infinity buttons!
plucky ridge
Well less slow progress and more the entire day of 0 progress
rough sapphire
How am I gonna pull this out the bag and complete this on time?? ๐
plucky ridge
I couldn't do anything because I couldn't see any of my changes
graceful basin
ask for an extension from the prof probably
undone berry
You figured out that it was VSs fault - that's progress
graceful basin
generally works as long as you are polite
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire You might not. And you may have to take it as a learning experience. Or yeah, ask the professor
Just start doing your homework on time
rough sapphire
Yeah I need to start doing that.
viral panther
Your math homework (especially word problems) will only help you become a better programmer
rough sapphire
Fair point
plucky ridge
Stronger, faster, more powerful than you ever were before
undone berry
I don't think my maths has contributed at all to programming
the skillsets feel very unrelated to me
plucky ridge
It's helped me with some of the logic
graceful basin
it is useful for some things, but the actual math knowledge is not that useful
plucky ridge
As well as how to break down bigger problems
graceful basin
nice for graphics
plucky ridge
True
undone berry
Studies disagree. Natural language skills are more important for programming than maths abilities, and iirc maths abilities really didn't correlate with the ability to learn programming all that much
I'll look for the study
plucky ridge
I mean I'm just going off of personal experience here
Not saying it maps out the same for others
rough sapphire
I'm so far behind cause they closed schools.
undone berry
Personal experience is one thing, but TheKing is saying it maps to others
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Because they closed schools or because you put off doing the work
graceful basin
@rough sapphire 3B1B has a video IIRC, probably your best bet. Other terms for that are decomposing a vector, converting from polar to carthesian coordinates
plucky ridge
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to put it into perspective. I'm AWFUL at self motivating and keeping on top of homework if someone isn't reminding me
viral panther
Charlie: I remember people complaining about that study
They were only testing the learning of people with no experience, weren't they?
graceful basin
honestly, not being forced into schoolwork by habit of going to school makes things a lot more difficult. At least it did for me
plucky ridge
Agreed
There's a reason I've failed multiple online courses
I need that difference in setting and mindset
undone berry
same here
plucky ridge
It's why I could never work from home
Or if I did, I'd have to have a separate room for it
undone berry
Context change is very important
and it's very sad for me that I can't really do that
for wfh that is
round rose
IMO the actual math knowledge is way less relevant to programming than the experience of studying math. The whole "learning to learn" shebang
graceful basin
ye, I ended up going to my dads office for some schoolwork because at home I ended up doing other things.
undone berry
I think people overvalue the problem solving in maths. Almost every subject I can think of has relevant transferable skills
specifically skills that are transferable to programming
quick ledge
gender studies
rough sapphire
In my experience, learning math more has made me a lot better at programming. I need it all the time, and I still find that I need to learn a lot more, when looking at algorithms on wiki, etc..
undone berry
You also like maths a lot though
plucky ridge
Severely depends on the level of maths
undone berry
as does TheKing
most people don't
Maths, and stem in general, is a subject that is overvalued by the people who study it
ime
plucky ridge
The highest math I took was College Algebra, and other than a couple minor tricks here and there, it hasn't been my major influence
rough sapphire
Yeah, there certainly is a lot of elitism in stem and math
plucky ridge
Veerrrrry much so
Specifically in the Comp Sci area
I majored in Computer Information Systems, and that's typically seen as the lesser option
undone berry
CS people are honestly some of the most arrogant people I've met
specifically CS students
plucky ridge
Well students are always butts
undone berry
obviously anecodotal
and unfair
but yknow
I'm not above a little pettiness myself
plucky ridge
Never noticed (huge sarcasm alarm)
rough sapphire
Coolest people are people studying ethics imo
rough sapphire
Fair
plucky ridge
You just like to gripe
viral panther
Maths, and stem in general, is a subject that is overvalued by the people who study it
I don't understand :/
What can be more important?
remote socket
imo the arrogant people that are in cs don't actually want to be there
undone berry
Philosophy people I've met were very self righteous
plucky ridge
Honestly, home ec
viral panther
Because it describes the universe we live in
plucky ridge
The number of people who barely know how to take care of themselves on a daily basis OR know what to do with minor house maintenance is absurd.
remote socket
well if ya want to do physics you need math
undone berry
doesn't make it important
remote socket
that's one pointer
viral panther
Nothing is objectively important ๐คท
undone berry
literature describes the human condition and delves into ideas that can't be expressed by maths
honest star
I've never encountered more a more arrogant person than a comp sci freshman in their first data structs and algs class that sits in the back asking "but professor, what about <niche topic he just googled that doesn't relate to the topic at hand>"
undone berry
I've never encountered more a more arrogant person than a comp sci freshman in their first data structs and algs class that sits in the back asking "but professor, what about <niche topic he just googled that doesn't relate to the topic at hand>"
Those people who just want to seem smart and ask non-questions like that drive me fucking insane
plucky ridge
@honest star I call and raise you "philosophy majors"
viral panther
I think humanity is ๐ค
Can't wait until the day we evolve into or get replaced by something better 
rough sapphire
Faintly reminds me of a stream I saw on twitch of someone writing and teaching C++ and wondering why they couldn't free stack allocated variables.
honest star
Mmmmm, but these freshman comp sci people usually have a heavy dose of casual misogyny that I don't experience with philosophy majors
honest star
... yeaaaah
undone berry
CS people are typically the kind of people who sit in their bedrooms arguing on the internet all day
remote socket
hmm
plucky ridge
"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
rough sapphire
โ
viral panther
Oh man... There's an EE professor over here that told a group of girls that it would probably be helpful for them to include some guys in order to study better
(The implication being that guys are smarter and so it would help them out)
plucky ridge
OR
It would give them someone to explain stuff to, thus helping them learn through teaching
But yeah, more likely he's an old sexist
undone berry
Diversity of personality is an important aspect of teams
viral panther
Maybe, but that's definitely not how they explained it :P
viral panther
But +1 for being an optimist
honest star
Urgh, 5 more minutes before I need to go move heavy stuff in 92F weather. Blegh.
undone berry
prof was probably being sexist
plucky ridge
@honest star You moving?
honest star
Nah, at work. Need to move a metric fuck ton of resistive heaters to prep for a field test. I'm waiting for the person who has the key.
undone berry
seasonablbot really could do with a converter
being able to do like .92f to c would be good
honest star
Should build one that can convert to C, F, K and R...
undone berry
or like .80eur to gbp
plucky ridge
R?
rough sapphire
True, that'd be cool
plucky ridge
Not familiar with that one
honest star
Rankine
plucky ridge
Huh, never heard of that one
honest star
... that actually got a hearty laugh out of me
rough sapphire
Lol, I believed you for a split second
honest star
I've only used with Rankine for like engine/steam cycle stuff. It's not common at all... Which makes me want the converter more
rough sapphire
And I guess it's probably also only used in the US?
honest star
Mhm
rough sapphire
Alright, makes sense
graceful basin
afaik, it is fahrenheit, except such that 0R = 0K
plucky ridge
Oh that's not something you ever want to read from your landlord
Oh okay good. Not stuff I have to worry about
Got scared
plucky ridge
I must see
gentle moss
plucky ridge
Awwwwwwww
Look at that happy little bastard
The 3rd picture is the best. Just this "-gasp- For me?!?" Look in its eyes
plucky ridge
"Thank you, human. I will not kill you this night."
gentle moss
very happy with the haul, has finished half and stashed half away
plucky ridge
I just noticed the tiny plate, too
gentle moss
:D
plucky ridge
That's the best thing I've seen all day
undone berry
Absolutely phenomenal
gentle moss
happy 2 year birthday to robin \o/
cosmic lotus
this rat be eatin better than me
rough sapphire
Hi
plucky ridge
How goes the homework battle
graceful basin
essentially, you are decomposing the vector IC into IG and IH
gentle moss
oh and since i did food posting here already, @plucky ridge check out my dinner
\o/
gentle moss
it's really just some salmon and noodles
undone berry
makes me want fish
gentle moss
a copy / paste:
[21:36] bisk: salmon marinaded in soy sauce, honey, sriracha, thai 7 spice, garlic paste and ground coriander
[21:37] bisk: with sesame oil fried mushrooms and onion chunk stir fry with the marinade above cooked into a sauce for it
[21:37] bisk: then garnished with crispy asparagus and some fresh spring onion
more sauce would've been good, but i undermarinaded
like a u-boat rescue mission
surreal otter
too bad you can't just copy paste sauce
gentle moss
it was submarinade
gentle moss
right, i thought the submarinade joke was pretty good and i'm really disappointed none of you laughed at it
that's a big ol' mark on the permy record there
especially for hemlock, i'd have expected a groan or something
surreal otter
you win some you lose some
undone berry
I want a phone number that looks like a normal UK phone number, but can go out to 3 different phones, and preferably PCs as well. I don't care what app or service it uses. Google voice seems like the closest thing i can find
surreal otter
I like google voice
rings on my phone and my pc
my oldest voicemail in my google voice
mild bough
soft violet
Would you rather a lime?
eternal creek
Yes
rough sapphire
@undone berry Fairly late on this, but have you looked into Twilio?
obtuse falcon
hey what laptop sugfestion for 3000-4000 tl turkey
obtuse falcon
why
bleak rain
It's a good laptop
obtuse falcon
i now ist good but what makes it good
gentle moss
solid build quality
rough sapphire
It depends on the model, there've been thinkpads with flexing issues
But they're still better than the competition, unless you go for specific outdoor brands. That's about durability only though.
solid pollen
Pwn Adventure 3: Pwnie Island is a limited-release, first-person, true open-world MMORPG set on a beautiful island where anything could happen. That's because this game is intentionally vulnerable to all kinds of silly hacks! Flying, endless cash, and more are all one client change or network proxy away. Are you ready for the mayhem?!
Wuuutt
solid pollen
I'm watching it haha
undone berry
@gentle moss IIRC you use VOIP for your stuff. I'm currently looking for a decent voip service, and Google voice is the only suitable thing I can find. Do you have any recommendations?
as in voip for phones
voip phones
not just voip in general
gentle moss
i've got some yealink stuff i nicked from the office
they've always been pretty nifty
all models support multiple voip accounts with custom ringers for each line too iirc
i use soho66 as my voip provider
but got a good relationship with them from work
there's also companies like babblevoice and uhhh
daisy
but daisy might be a bit "big"
undone berry
soho66 looks like it can solve my problem I think - thanks
gentle moss
they're pretty damn cheap
plus if you actually ring up the guys when picking a number they can be helpful and guide you to some memorable ones.
it takes ages to look through their availability list otherwise
831337 was taken and the gf wouldn't let me anyway :(
gentle moss
yes
rancid forge
I completely forgot the discord server logo was originally blurple because of the month of June
lofty dirge
Charlie, G Suite has calling plans as well if you want to integrate and use G Suite
So does MS but they are pricey for SMB
undone berry
G suite is expensive. 10$/m/u
gentle moss
my bill is so small i can't even remember how big it is
then i just pay to top up the credit
which has no expiry date
iirc soho has 0.01p calls to US landlines too
undone berry
soho66 is ยฃ5 for a small team, or ยฃ3 for an individual
gentle moss
which is craaaaaaazy cheap
undone berry
then relatively cheap credit
gentle moss
get yourself two accounts and just give all the shitty people one that just diverts to a scam call center or something
or a restaurant called "Charlie's"
undone berry
I'm sure I could find some very sketchy businesses with Charlie in the name
gentle moss
bit bias as a soho66 reseller but i have been quite fond of their service
very few outages and a good support team
most outages resolved in ~30 minutes
except that one time BT cut through one of their leased lines to their datacentre
lofty dirge
yea, it's a shame how expensive Microsoft/G SUite calling is
gentle moss
at least in the UK, the voip market is full of smaller suppliers
great competition
even if at the end of the day they're all fundamentally using the same infra
undone berry
I found a lighter in an old pair of jeans and have now been slowly burning of leg and arm hair - I think if I was an actual smoker I'd burn my house down in like a week
plucky ridge
undone berry
Burning things is fun
plucky ridge
That typically doesn't include yourself
undone berry
I dunno - just a childish fascination with almost hurting myself
plucky ridge
I mean if you like smelling like burnt hair, by all means
gentle moss
man
you'd LOVE my cooker charlie
you put certain pans on it and run the gas and the clicker
shit wont do anything for like 10 seconds
before fucking exploding a huge ball of gas everywhere
plucky ridge
Gotta let it breathe first
Okay, so I found this kind of interesting. Looking through the ReactJS tutorial and they have this little function for calculating who won in Tic-Tac-Toe:
function calculateWinner(squares) {
const lines = [
[0, 1, 2],
[3, 4, 5],
[6, 7, 8],
[0, 3, 6],
[1, 4, 7],
[2, 5, 8],
[0, 4, 8],
[2, 4, 6],
];
for (let i = 0; i < lines.length; i++) {
const [a, b, c] = lines[i];
if (squares[a] && squares[a] === squares[b] && squares[a] === squares[c]) {
return squares[a];
}
}
return null;
}
For some reason I had never thought about just laying out the possible cell combinations that could win
graceful basin
that is the boring way
plucky ridge
Seems efficient at least
graceful basin
ye, it is probably the cleanest solution outside of magic square
plucky ridge
I mean it's obvious now that I see it but for some reason in my head I always thought "Nah, that's stupid."
graceful basin
I generally use that for diagonals when I cannot use slicing
graceful basin
plucky ridge
I swear to god that man is an evil genius...
Wow
Yeah that's a terrifyingly elegant solution
I never would have come to that
coral osprey
rough sapphire
huh the logo is back to boring old blue
plucky ridge
Yep, it was just around for June
rough sapphire
yeah but I liked the animation
plucky ridge
True. The current icon also has an animation though
We have a few animated ones in the rotation, if I'm remembering correctly
plucky ridge
Fair
tight meadow
But it is what it is
plucky ridge
Yeah, just trying to keep up with the seasons and what have you
tight meadow
Makes sense
After all, if you celebrate a holiday every day of the year, it isnโt a holiday
plucky ridge
Yep, it's just a day
graceful basin
holy hell, C is fast
I was just making some madelbrot drawers, and haxe takes 20s when compiled to native, python numpy about 15, and C takes 0.3s
graceful basin
TBF, the C one is a lot simpler, but that is still ridiculous
rain pebble
For me I tried a simple 'hello world' print script
cpp produced something that ran 10x the speed at 1/10th the executable size, also because Py executables aren't real executables
But yeah..., big difference
graceful basin
https://hastebin.com/ivosefirad.c this is the code, dont judge my lack of file IO error handling.
you would probably want to add a constant to cx and cy to move the viewing plane off center
I expected it to be about the same as numpy, as well, both are C. But I guess numpy complex is very different from just 2 float variables
graceful basin
yes
surreal otter
And why are there so many C's?
BRB,l gotta dice up a watermelon for the kids
but I just started learning to code finally (never too late, though I shoulda started 20 years ago) and jumped into Python
but C is like the OG code rihgt?
C is for Code? lol
graceful basin
C is not the first, but it is one of the oldest surviving languages, and the most used of the old langs. It is predated by LISP, FORTRAN, FORTH, B, BCPL, ...
then C++ came along and was essentially C, but OOP is not absolute hell
then it became a wholly different language over a few years
C# came later and honestly I have no clue why it is called that, it is not all that C-like
there is also C-- as a haskell intermediate compilation step
objective C is also a thing
small fossil
c# is weirdd
surreal otter
So C# is a lie
a wanna be, like the playtendo
but it might be good for making stuff, since it is code
but not related at all to C, except in that it's code
Why vanilla C over C++ then?
graceful basin
because I had no use for C++ features there. And well, that is I am pretty sure valid C++ code as well.
graceful basin
ye, those are good
surreal otter
but I do plan on digging into C / C++ / C#
eventually
I read an average dev knows 5 languages
and it seemed low to me ๐
graceful basin
I think that means actively uses 5
I can reasonably use a lot more than that, but I really do not, because I generally just need python and C for the occasional messing around
surreal otter
I like excess, but I gotta get the hang of Python first. I used to see SQL and had to troubleshoot it in a past life but I couldn't write a query, and I had readonly access so I would not want to touch a DB With any write ability for a while
cosmic lotus
C# is like Java trying to be C++
surreal otter
Yea, seems like Python / C are really killer
cosmic lotus
or the other way around
surreal otter
I don't understand
graceful basin
nah, C# is like java, but with none of the legacy inconvenience
it is actually pretty nice
cosmic lotus
yeah .NET, MonoDevelop, XNA, Unity
surreal otter
Ouch google, shots fired
Unity
So video games
And that's why Windows has the best games? They have better tools for games?
Or just a bigger industry around it and the industry is slow to change
cosmic lotus
I dunno where is .NET used
surreal otter
since they print money with what they do
Unity
is what makes many games right?
Yea, that cube logo, though I see it on Android a lot
cosmic lotus
well Unity has gotten big in the gaming industry in the recent years
I've heard even the switch uses unity
viral panther
C# is too verbose for my liking, but it makes most things really nice and seems to have a lot of nice stuff in the STL
It's got The King โข๏ธ seal of approval ๐
cosmic lotus
if c# is too verbose, what about C++
viral panther
It's a mistake