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bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Yes, but you can maximize the fun gain by doing lots of things

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By the way, somewhat on-topic

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Probably the best quote about "fun" that I know of

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"The game, is fun. If it's not fun, why bother."

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:39 PM

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😂

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That’s deep.

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Real OGs will know where the quote comes from

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but I apply this to life

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Either I do things that allows me to have more fun later or I do things to have fun now

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if the thing doesn't fall into those two categories, they are pointless

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wikihow.com/Find-Fun-in-Everything%3Famp=1

wikiHow

Find-Fun-in-Everything%3famp=1

Sometimes, it can be difficult to have fun when what you are doing really isn't fun at all. Luckily, your life can be much more fun if you only just change your perspective. With just a few tools, you can learn how to have fun doing...

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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That image, lol

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wikihow has the weirdest images

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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she could only be doing one thing with that expression/arrow/speech bubble and that is probably why the rest of the image is cropped out

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I love the images.

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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uncanny valley

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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"Smile for the camera or I'll pump you full of lead"

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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🤣

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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📎 aid300710-v4-728px-Find-Fun-in-Everything-Step-1.png

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Hold this controller and laugh

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:45 PM

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LOL

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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why is her tongue the same colour as her skin

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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bleach

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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She has no tongue

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:47 PM

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cursed

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:47 PM

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there's a reason most of wikihow is manually deindexed from duckduckgo

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this shit is why

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I would not be shocked if I found out a bot are behind all those articles

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I mean, Charr rnn + hypergan, then send it through autocorrect

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just autoselect the first one

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Hahaha

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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What are the effects of underclocking your computer?

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It's slower, get's less hot and uses less power

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About what you'd expect :P

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if its a desktop there's no point

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Only reason you would want to do it is if your PSU is too weak, or if your PC overheats

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yeah, but the stock cooler is good enough anyway

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Yeah, when either of those two things happen, you shouldn't search for a resolution in software :P At least not permanently

strong moon Jun 27, 2020, 5:01 PM

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im changning account

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because i have problems with this one

bleak ginkgo Jun 27, 2020, 5:02 PM

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here

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Why don’t software development jobs require basic knowledge of computer hardware and stuff? Like basic tech literacy?

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If you get a virus or get hacked you’re screwed

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What if your network gets hacked?

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 5:15 PM

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beggars (here: employers) can't be choosers

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at least, that is the current balance imo

viral panther Jun 27, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Because that's not what programming is about

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Depends how basic you mean as well

lofty dirge Jun 27, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Why do programmers need to know hardware?

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when hardware breaks, you get Dell to give you a new one

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no one got time for screwing with hardware

small fossil Jun 27, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Best bit is the company buying you new kit and you keeping the old stuff 😉

kindred flower Jun 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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@bleak lintel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296056831514509312/725401731588030564/video0_17.mp4

▶ Play video

bleak lintel Jun 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I mean

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normally we don't allow meme dumps

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but since I did enjoy it a bit

kindred flower Jun 27, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I felt like it was specifically appropriate

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 8:07 PM

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hahAHAHH

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ayy bder

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I think it's time to change this channel name 🤔

silk geode Jun 27, 2020, 10:31 PM

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I’m gonna buy a diary and write “snoop” on every page so when it inevitably gets stolen the diary itself calls them out

kindred flower Jun 27, 2020, 10:55 PM

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@leaden shuttle I vote for simply "Joe"

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 10:56 PM

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I vote for "intellibrains"

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little stab at jetbrains users smugpepe

kindred flower Jun 27, 2020, 10:56 PM

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lemon_thinking

clear plume Jun 27, 2020, 11:15 PM

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but since I did enjoy it a bit
@bleak lintel ADMIN ABUSE/FAVORSTISM

kindred flower Jun 27, 2020, 11:25 PM

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cavedude

high verge Jun 28, 2020, 12:17 AM

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that was the edited message?

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Is this a safe space?

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smugpepe

solemn rose Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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🤷‍♂️

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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I wanted to know how Linus' Linux adventure is coming along.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Well, it's in the works

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Emacs guy is here too, good stuff

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Arch still?

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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I haven't set up the networking yet :P

solemn rose Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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💢

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Haha

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it's only been a week or two

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going no internet should be good for you though

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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xD

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I'm working on it

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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time to read some man pages.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Luckily Windows 10 saves my ass

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Oh my

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Hahahaha

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I'll do it tomorrow

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(maybe)

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:24 AM

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What are you working on atm?

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any side hobby projects?

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Some FOSS contributions?

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Yeah, I made a raymarcher

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Liiiink

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:24 AM

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No github page yet

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But I can show you an image

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📎 unknown.png

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Running Windows 10
Version controls inside onedrive

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smugpepe

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Oh that's cool

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:25 AM

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I've disabled onedrive a long time ago xD

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You ever heard of signed distance fields?

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:25 AM

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No but some of these words I know.

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not together though KEKW

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:25 AM

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Basically this raymarcher doesn't work with vertices / triangles

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Raymarching is a relatively simple solution to a daunting task: finding the point of intersection between a 3D ray and object. To do so, we will need to find the origin point of the ray, and the direction it points for every pixel on the screen

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Instead geometry is described through a function that gives me the distance to the nearest surface at each point

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Yeah :D It's a type of raytracer in principle

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Sounds pretty dope

high verge Jun 28, 2020, 12:26 AM

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i always got stuck with raytracing at 'calculate the surface normal of a sphere given a vector'

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never enough lined paper

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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The surface vector is super easy with signed distance fields

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I've been trying to get stuff done too

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but I keep getting sidetracked

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listening to Tool

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Just get the gradient at any point in space

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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KEKW

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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And that's your normal

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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ait

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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gradient as in derivative

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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university math is years back

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I'll check some tool out

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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haven't done stuff since PepeLaugh

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Haha

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too much arch

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to little math

high verge Jun 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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oh that sounds like osmething i can do

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Yeah, the math behind it is super easy

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Tool - Stinkfist @rough sapphire

high verge Jun 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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i did some shading in a 3d graph engine once actually haha

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basically differentiate a sphere and use the height as the color

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or something

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Lyrics is pretty vulgar at a surface level, but if you dig a bit deeper

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it's even more relevant today than it was when it came out in '96.

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(atleast my interprotation of it)

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Haha, listening to it rn

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Also made this cool class decorator right now

def debug_printable(class_type):
    def __str__(self):
        self._recursion_guard = True
        s = f"{class_type.__name__}("
        for key, item in self.__dict__.items():
            if hasattr(item, "_recursion_guard"):
                if not item._recursion_guard:
                    s += f"{key} : {item}, "
                else:
                    s += f"(recursion) {key} : {type(item)}, "
            else:
                if key != "_recursion_guard":
                    s += f"{key} : {item}, "

        self._recursion_guard = False
        return s + ")"

    setattr(class_type, "__str__", __str__)
    return class_type

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Haha when you see str inside a decorator

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you know you are gonna have a good time,

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ait let me read this.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Makes automatic __str__ methods for classes

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:31 AM

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NotSure if vodoo or elegant.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:31 AM

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@debug_printable
class Person:
    def __init__(self, name, age, friend=None):
        self.name = name
        self.age = age
        self.friend = friend

hans = Person("Hans", 59)
print(hans)

Output:

Person(name : Hans, age : 59, friend : None, )

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:32 AM

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yup

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:32 AM

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And has a recursion guard: ```py
hans = Person("Hans", 59)
peter = Person("Peter", 31, friend=hans)
hans.friend = peter
print(hans)

Output:
```py
Person(name : Hans, age : 59, friend : Person(name : Peter, age : 31, (recursion) friend : <class '__main__.Person'>, ), )

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Idk if I'll ever use it, since making __str__ methods is super easy

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but you never know lemon_swag

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:33 AM

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I understand, code is readable :-)

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my guess would be no, but 🤷‍♀️

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Yeah, I definitely won't

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xD

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But I enjoyed writing it, and isn't that all that counts?

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:34 AM

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how does dataclass implement auto str and repr?

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I should inspect the source.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Lets check it out

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:34 AM

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https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/3.8/Lib/dataclasses.py

GitHub

python/cpython

The Python programming language. Contribute to python/cpython development by creating an account on GitHub.

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these docstrings

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lol

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tables for days

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# This function's logic is copied from "recursive_repr" function in
# reprlib module to avoid dependency.
def _recursive_repr(user_function):
    # Decorator to make a repr function return "..." for a recursive
    # call.
    repr_running = set()

    @functools.wraps(user_function)
    def wrapper(self):
        key = id(self), _thread.get_ident()
        if key in repr_running:
            return '...'
        repr_running.add(key)
        try:
            result = user_function(self)
        finally:
            repr_running.discard(key)
        return result
    return wrapper

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that reasoning

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"I dupplicated code to avoid a dependency"

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LULW

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techlead would spank me if I did that Dadsbelt

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:38 AM

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That's actually weird lol

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:38 AM

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What's with the single comments too #

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I guess it's not part of PEP8.

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they keep refering to it in their docstrings

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but their code base seems reall "non-pep8-ified"

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(not that it always matters).

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:39 AM

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I guess it's because they are not supposed to be acessed from outside

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all the non underscored methods have normal docstrings

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:39 AM

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yeah it's a private method.

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makes sense.

tame pier Jun 28, 2020, 12:39 AM

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CPython code isn't clean by any extent of the imagination

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There's code in there that's 25 years old with minimal changes, and hence 25 year old style

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:40 AM

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FeelsOkayMan I wish my code would last that long.

tame pier Jun 28, 2020, 12:40 AM

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And previously third-party packages that were pulled in as library modules, like pathlib, mock, unittest, etc.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:41 AM

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At least it's well documented

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:41 AM

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@tame pier I would buy that argument, but dataclasses is new.

tame pier Jun 28, 2020, 12:42 AM

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I'm not saying its an excuse, it's just how it is

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Style changes or lack thereof are probably documented somewhere in the developer guide

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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@rough sapphire thoughts on the song?

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Pretty cool 😄

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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I am intriqued on what you think it means

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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I didn't pay attention to the lyrics

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:45 AM

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alright then

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I still have so many songs from them that I want to hear

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but I keep replaying every song I go through

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so it took me a year to get trough their most recent album LULW

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Hahaha

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The only band that does that for me is Ghost

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:46 AM

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well not a year, but maybe half.

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I'll take a listen

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any specific song?

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Try Ghost - Year Zero

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:47 AM

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👍

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:10 AM

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What is doing cyber security like?

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I mean as in penetration testing and ethical network hacking?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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writing reports and policies mostly

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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What is that?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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report
give a spoken or written account of something that one has observed, heard, done, or investigated.
policy
a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by a government, party, business, or individual.```

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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reports on security assessment and policies about creating security.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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It’s literally just writing stuff?

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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open field, depends, but its a part of it.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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How about the hacking?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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what about it?

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you hack the thing (maybe) then write report on how you hacked the thing

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Do you write the reports after hacking?

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Oh I see.

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Makes sense

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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yup

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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most of the "hacking" is done by computers anyways

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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What is hacking like in comparison to programming?

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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dont forget in pentesting there's also physical entry as well

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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physical pentesting is tiny part of the field

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few customers care to pay for it

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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@astral knot Not necessarily

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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yes a small part

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just saying it exists.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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I've known many people who don't do nor like doing any kind of physical pen testing

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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physical pentesting is rare due to cost

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I think ppl usually do both. I’m assuming a lot of cyber security jobs these days require knowledge of a programming language.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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and it really annoys employees

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most pentesting work is "X Company gets hired to pentest Y company software. X Company runs some scanner/security tool at Y Software. Y Company makes fancy report, X Company does something with report. takemymoney is done. The end"

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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could see why its annoying.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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How much truth is in Mr. Robot?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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like we got physical pentested, I was someone who admitted someone because they had work order. Why? Damn office manager had habit of telling the building she needed repairs without notifying physical security center

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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😂

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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instead of fiction, let's talk about defcon, those presenters are picked because they show something interesting but think about it. Out of everyone there, very few are interesting

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:30 AM

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may i refer you to a presentation

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i found rather amusing.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Yup.

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:30 AM

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defcon 23 - knocking my neighbors kids cruddy drone offline.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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@astral knot I've seen that one

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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I saw defcon presentation about Elevator hacking

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and WarKITTY

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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oh yeah those

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Very poorly setup. The one with.. what was it.. ftp server? ssh server? something on it

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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but my point is, most security work is "Run the tool. Get the results, write up the results"

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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That's not true

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Like we got PenTest report at work, it was clear it was just a tool they ran and wrote it up

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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when you put it like that, i feel like it can be easily automated.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:32 AM

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For some companies, maybe that's the case. But I know a few folks who do far more than just run some program.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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again, like most things, there is 5% edge case of people doing cool shit, unless you are in 5%, it's mindnumbing

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Unless you’re passionate about writing lol

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I wouldn't say that. They wouldn't have gotten into the field if they didn't enjoy something out of it.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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like developers, most developers are just plugging away on some company application that is pretty boring

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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That's definitely not the case

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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depends on how you grew up.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Scott, really?

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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some people slave away at a project they dont care about

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Yes

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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many actually pick something want to do.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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you work on awesomesauce application that will change the world?

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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my cousin is in hci research.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Huh?

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I was responding to your

unless you are in 5%, it's mindnumbing

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Some ppl these days do things just because they can pay the bills. It works for some, sometimes it doesn’t for others. Some ppl get a job so they can make money and do their passion on the side.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Which that's definitely not the case. Far more than 5% of developers enjoy what they're doing. Considerably more.

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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yeah well this discord exists

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Starving artists for example

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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evidently enough.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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fine, you know what, go into cyber security, another voice to ignore

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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honestly i dont know why people link cybersecurity with programming.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Can’t become a decently paid actor without making enough money to support that passion on the side sadly.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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We get security paperwork at work constantly, it's like, cool, another thing I have to care about that I might get too at some point

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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i can see software vulnerabilities being relevant.

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but pentesting is not really.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Law school and med school cost a lot of money.

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The only other option would be trades.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:36 AM

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@lofty dirge security paperwork could mean anything. If it's valid things like XSS/SQLi/CSRF issues, that needs looked into. If it's someone trying to sell you on the WONDERFUL SECURITY BENEFITS OF BLOCKCHAIN!, then I can understand. Though, not sure what you're getting paperwork-wise, so I'm unsure.

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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cursed word cursed word

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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no, it's XSS or how HTTP Options is open

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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we do not speak of the buzzword

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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and I'm like, Cool, whatever, don't care

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Then yeah, if you have XSS, that needs fixed.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I've got 14 other things on my plate

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Rabbit

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I'm speaking as American, obviously your country might be different

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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you need more jpeg in your profile picture.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I'm American as well 😄

undone berry Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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and I'm like, Cool, whatever, don't care
It sounds like you're in the middle of a chain of not caring. Your software engineers don't care about your devops stuff, then you don't care about the security stuff

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Few American Companies or even government agencies REALLY care about this issue. They just want enough to be like "Yea, we do that security thing" so people move on

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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If you get hacked you’re screwed tho

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Ransomware

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Really?

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Not sure what you're responding Really? to, here.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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SMB will fail, Enterprises won't

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If you get hacked you’re screwed tho

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Reminds me of that ransomware situation at Merck

undone berry Jun 28, 2020, 2:39 AM

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an aside- does enterprise specifically mean big businesses?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:39 AM

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I'm with a company that got hacked and splashed on the news, nothing happens

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:39 AM

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They can steal bank account information

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:39 AM

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slap on the wrist, some bitching by investors, some investment in security that doesn't matter and life moves on

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and?

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:39 AM

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And steal lots of money

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Maybe without a trace

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Again, problem with security from business point of view is massive unknown

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How much money do you need to spend to be secure?

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Define secure

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 AM

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sudo ufw enable smugpepe

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 AM

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SCott, Bingo

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Don’t use the computer. It’s that simple. 😂

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Or use TailsOS

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 AM

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it's some concept of secure, well, secure against hackers!

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 AM

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I do not encourage going on the deep web

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 AM

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@idle night How does Tails secure a server? 🤨

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 AM

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That’s a screwed up place

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Let me specify

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 AM

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is this some kind of meme.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Dark web

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 AM

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You watch too many youtube videos.

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from dubious channels.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Deep web is just the things that a search engine won't give you, or is hidden behind a login of some kind.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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There’s illegal stuff

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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it's important to understand this is business issue with security, no one knows how much to spend on what you are getting for it and if it will even protect you

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Plus that may prompt government agencies to start watching you

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CIA, FBI, everyone

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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you plug XSS but this third party library has CVEs

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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@idle night How does this have anything to do with security of a company

astral knot Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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this is a dumpster fire.

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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TailsOS is the most secure

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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@lofty dirge this third party library?

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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It deletes everything each time you reboot

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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@idle night That's a weird way of spelling Qubes

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Web Application Firewall you bought hasn't been updated because last time you updated, it was downtime nightmare

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Why would a hacker hack a blank machine?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Scott, Tomcat

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Or something easily fixable?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Apache Struts, ask Equifax how that worked out for them

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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That sounds like a waste of time

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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@lofty dirge I mean, you could say the same thing abut Apache Struts

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Ha, you know exactly what I'm getting at.

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You have to practice security in-depth

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Implement Tripwire, SELinux, etc.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:44 AM

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so you have 14 security asks, all crazy priority with developers who are like "I just want to get this code out" and project managers who like "WE NEED THESE FEATURES" and sales blaming lack of new features of lack of revenue

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Idk how ppl can sleep doing illegal activities. A lot of them must sleep with their eyes open.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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@lofty dirge That's company specific though. Many companies emphasize security and have bug bounties.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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looks at Microsoft

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Do I need patches? Yea, more patches, cool, let's patch

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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/r/sysadmin always seems to talk about patches breaking something

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But that's why you also have testing systems for that kind of stuff

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You don't just push updates into production and hope it all works out.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:46 AM

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everyone has testing systems, for a select few, it's separate from Prod

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:46 AM

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How do criminals sleep tho?

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I couldn’t live as a black hat

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I’d be paranoid

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Good talk everyone, but I have to go AFK 👍

idle night Jun 28, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Id sleep with the lights on and both eyes open

tight meadow Jun 28, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Don’t you just love it when you have a dog that refuses to drink water but loves to eat ice

copper ocean Jun 28, 2020, 4:22 AM

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lmao

pliant pine Jun 28, 2020, 5:32 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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👌👏👏

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 6:48 AM

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most pentesting work is "X Company gets hired to pentest Y company software. X Company runs some scanner/security tool at Y Software. Y Company makes fancy report, X Company does something with report. :takemymoney: is done. The end"
@lofty dirge You are mistaken.

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Most, if not all, of the findings in reports we've found by hand during the time allocated for the project. I don't recall ever even using any sort of automatic scanner apart from nmap when doing recon

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also I don't know if you mixed up X and Y in your last sentence but generally we're the ones writing a report - on all of our findings, their risk / impact and recommendation for fixing them

pliant pine Jun 28, 2020, 7:32 AM

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.help

median domeBOT Jun 28, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Command Help

AprilFoolVideos
.fool
Get a random April Fools' video from Youtube.

AvatarEasterifier
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Battleship
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Play a game of Battleship with someone else!

BeMyValentine
.bemyvalentine [user] [valentine_type]
Send a valentine to user, if specified, or to a random user with the lovefest role.

Bookmark
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Send the author a link to target_message via DMs.

pliant pine Jun 28, 2020, 7:33 AM

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cool

gentle moss Jun 28, 2020, 9:19 AM

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@rough sapphire but then there are dumb things which muddy the water a bit

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like the UK has a cyber awareness accreditation type thing you can get

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and the thing is basically "write up what all your equipment is and what it does and then we'll visit your website and run an nmap scan"

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very much not a pentest

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very much a way to get a little bit of paper with a gold star on it

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we got down marked for using a letsencrypt certificate. smh.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 9:21 AM

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🙃 that's a bit shite

median domeBOT Jun 28, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Game over! @tacit flint timed out so @rough sapphire wins!

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 9:56 AM

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YouTube

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cosmic lotus Jun 28, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Lukas you've done it, corona is no more

sullen thorn Jun 28, 2020, 12:02 PM

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do any of you use JetBrains Space and can walk me through how i'm supposed to use it?

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 12:07 PM

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There should be plenty of intellibrains in here that can help you

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👀

sullen thorn Jun 28, 2020, 12:08 PM

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let's hope lol

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 1:08 PM

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how does the Wheel thing actually work/what does it do? PEP is pretty cryptic

sand goblet Jun 28, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Wheels are basically just zip files containing the package

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Binary wheels that target specific distributions will have pre-compiled C extensions included

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It's not really any more complex than that

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 1:15 PM

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ahhh okay thanks mate

copper ocean Jun 28, 2020, 1:20 PM

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.battleship

median domeBOT Jun 28, 2020, 1:20 PM

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@copper ocean Game cancelled.

copper ocean Jun 28, 2020, 1:20 PM

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lmao

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lukas you did it

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what a legend

topaz aurora Jun 28, 2020, 1:46 PM

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@rough sapphire You could probably program in PyDroid3 then use the Kivy launcher app

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Haven't tried it yet though

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~~Wrong tag(?)~~

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Ok thanks I'm gonna do a bit of research for kb

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kivy

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also is there an alternative for that?

topaz aurora Jun 28, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Not that I'm aware of unfortunately

graceful basin Jun 28, 2020, 1:47 PM

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I was able to get pyQt working on my phone using some app

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 1:48 PM

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pyQT?

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wuts dat

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a UI framework.

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what happend?@rough sapphire

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dunno

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😭

graceful basin Jun 28, 2020, 1:57 PM

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must've been the wind

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 1:57 PM

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no links

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who though???

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honestly i don't care much

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if it makes him feel better about himself let that be a thing

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 PM

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@rough sapphire I've been through numerous tests at different companies. 2 companies engineers admitted that most of pentesting was automatic and for some of tests, completely automatic. I've heard the tool Acunetix mentioned several times. Yes, my experience has been similar through out. Security Company does pentesting, writes up reports and hands it to software company. Thus my point of pentesters need great writing skills, most of their time won't be pentesting but instead writing up results.

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There is probably a select few companies where pentesters are relieved of burden of having to write detailed reports but they are rare.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:32 PM

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I've personally used Acunetix, and it's.. not all that fantastic.

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Especially for the price point they're asking

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I'm sure it not. I'm not sure though why security people think their marketplace is exempt from race to the bottom. If you can run pen tests cheaper then then competition regardless of quality, people will take it. Beauty of it is since most engagements are transactional, any breaches can be blamed on bugs that slip in after the fact.

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and I'm talking companies not FAANG/MS

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 PM

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any breaches can be blamed on bugs that slip in after the fact.
Not necessarily. That's up to both companies ( pentestee and pentester ) to prove

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 PM

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like I'm sure Azure does security 100% seriously because if they got breached, it would be a disaster

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I've seen a handful of instances where a company was given the A-OK and were later breached, and were told by the testing company "Not our fault" and it 100% was

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:36 PM

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sure but proving it can be difficult

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:36 PM

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It's why these things take time. You don't spend 4 hours and say "Yep, certified"

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Sometimes things are really easy to pinpoint though, breach-wise

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then, frankly, you've been in contact with shite pentesting companies @lofty dirge

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probably because they were cheaper

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not surprising

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The quickest I've ever spent diagnosing a problem was probably 5 minutes.

"Hey, you're getting an SSH connection from China. Do you have anyone who routes through there?"
"Nope."
"gg"

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That was a disappointing call to make.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 PM

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but many companies do, at my job, we work with US mega bank. They had requirement that we pentested software megabank used. We got a company to run some pentests, delivered some findings, cleaned up the worst of findings then had them run pentest again. Came back clean, we got stamp of approval and promptly pushed this massive backlog of feature code

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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That doesn't make much sense

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Why wouldn't you push the code and then get it pentested?

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Because a pentest is essentially a certification at a specific point in time that says "This version, x, has these problems:"

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 PM

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because we would have introduced more security findings possibly

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 2:42 PM

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That's a... bad thing?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:43 PM

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We need a clean bill of health for customer, we got clean bill of health for customer, once the customer was happy, we went back to doing tequila shots

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again, IME, few companies give a massive shit about security. They want enough not to get breached by 12 year old with Metasploit tools but not enough it's going to change next quarter bonuses all that much. I'm talking all B2B software people don't have a clue about

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and if they do .gov work, enough to satisfy the .gov auditors

cosmic lotus Jun 28, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Snake you're boned

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Yes Lukas.

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I wanna invite you to contribute to one of them.

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It's not been started yet.

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Chess

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Rest API for chess games which would be able to handle many millions of games, and expose endpoints for other applications to easily query for board positions, players, etc.

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The current options for other people are paid, or resulting to databases such as lichess's player games.

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I want this one to be for tournament games primarily, and have a seperate one for all non tournament games.

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No no, there's many tournaments all arround the world.

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Many of which have their own small database.

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Users would contribute to the database by uploading pgns.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Are you building API or chess bot?

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 2:57 PM

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API

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yes, and store them, and thne people could fx. look up a position by FEN notation, and we would return information such as games played in this position, statistics, etc.

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and a paginated list of links to queries with those games.

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No

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PGN

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not pngs

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it's a chess notation for a game

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it's in cleartext

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I think it would be quite cool

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the API will probably be written in Python FastAPI and with PostgreSQL as it's database

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 3:00 PM

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if i may chime in i'm fairly sure just using sqlite in ram would be good enough

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for what the program is prolly gonna be

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idk

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yeah

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:00 PM

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for hundreds of millions of games?

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Doubt

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 3:00 PM

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okay yeah fair point

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wanna play?
I'm a noob 😄

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:01 PM

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We could do table partitioning on avg rating of the opponents or something.

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or maybe even the hashed fen string.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 3:01 PM

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kink 😄

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:02 PM

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I haven't made up all the endpoints yet

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in my mind I mean

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that's what you are refering to, right?

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How we would query it = what endpoints are there?

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I haven't made a database design yet

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but we would have a table with pgns. probably.

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and then a table with positions.

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and then a table that binds those with a a many to many relationship?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 3:10 PM

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NoSQL might be better

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:10 PM

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yeah it actually might for this

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I have to think more about what stuff should be in there.

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it's a process :-)

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Figure out what source material you have. (PGNs in this case)
Find out what information it contains.
Store it all.

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KEKW

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Refreshed my memory on PGN, not sure why a single table wouldn’t suffice

cerulean venture Jun 28, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Why there is no language based on py to develop apps?

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Define apps

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Rabbit, because it would be incredible slow if I gave you a FEN string and I would have to find games containing those positions.

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Got it

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You want to query actual moves

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Board positions yes.

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well you probably want something like:

lofty dirge Jun 28, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Positions

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:17 PM

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given this board position what's the next position from that (plies, half moves).

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so the user can see that in this position 66% played X move and it had a wining percentage of Y.

rough sapphire Jun 28, 2020, 3:18 PM

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*69

leaden shuttle Jun 28, 2020, 3:18 PM

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you could then given a position (FEN string) calculate all valid moves and look those up in the DB.

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it's actually not that trivial

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if you wanna make it scaleable

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what do you mean move?

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a ply?

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like Nf3?

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it's not a bad idea

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you can't have it as key though

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since it's not unique

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otherwise you would have to have a table for each FEN LUL

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you could make it a composite key

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FEN + ply

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Nf3

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a half move

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a move is

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white ply + black ply = move

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(we took this discussion elsewhere for any other readers)

cerulean venture Jun 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Nymann how long will u spend time on discord per day on avg??

graceful basin Jun 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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is anyone aware of a website like htmlpaste.com, essentially hastebin, but it served html as full pages, JS included. It no longer works and now I need a different way to "host" simple SPAs. Everything I can find requires an account

small fossil Jun 28, 2020, 11:33 PM

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That sounds very cool

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but sadly i dont know any that dont require an account now

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data is money now 😩

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 1:40 AM

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@warm nova Julia looks interesting

warm nova Jun 29, 2020, 1:40 AM

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You can't go back after using it for a while seriously

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 1:40 AM

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How does it compile to native when it's dynamically typed 🤔

warm nova Jun 29, 2020, 1:41 AM

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It's not dynamically typed

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 1:41 AM

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warm nova Jun 29, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I mean yes but no, not like python

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Does it just infer types?

warm nova Jun 29, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Yes

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Ahh okay

warm nova Jun 29, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Dynamically typed, they mean you can assign a variable to a string then an int I guess

tardy wind Jun 29, 2020, 1:43 AM

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yee

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that is what that means

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static type checking is compiler enforced

warm nova Jun 29, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Yes

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Just code in COBOL and you're good

tardy wind Jun 29, 2020, 1:48 AM

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NJ needs you

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I think Google gave them free software so they can get off of that dependency

near current Jun 29, 2020, 3:34 AM

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discord.gift/bm7jcpQbGPtqxwFSG7Z6nNyn

eternal creek Jun 29, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Was this a real gift?

pine vector Jun 29, 2020, 3:54 AM

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doesn't look like it...
https://discordapp.com/store/skus/720991558869975040/nitro-testsku

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the rickroll is also telling. 😄

hazy star Jun 29, 2020, 4:06 AM

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@gaunt osprey

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:06 AM

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okay so yeah, you have to do a second contest?

hazy star Jun 29, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Yes

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With the winners of each state

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Or area

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Have you watched hunger game?

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Its the same concept

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The first time how they won

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And had to go against the other in next year

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But all the winners

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:08 AM

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oh so first tourney is local?

hazy star Jun 29, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Yes

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:08 AM

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n second is nationwide?

hazy star Jun 29, 2020, 4:08 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20200629-065510_Facebook.jpg

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Yws

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You get that

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Then do the international

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Because botball

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Is also in another country

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Qatar

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So winner from there goes to US

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📎 Screenshot_20200629-065441_Facebook.jpg

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And they get this

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Anyways

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If you want to participate make sure you read very well and email them if you are able to

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And if you haven't seen the bill is bit expensive

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:10 AM

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yeah, the 2500$ fee?

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honestly that kinda stops me at the door

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but honestly sounds rlly cool

hazy star Jun 29, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Well

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If you continue reading

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You can apply for a sponsorship

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So the game organisers can let you in for free

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Or do fundraising

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:14 AM

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oh, well that's pretty cool. thanks for explaining the thingy to me

hazy star Jun 29, 2020, 4:21 AM

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No problem!

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:22 AM

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so this channel is off topic?

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:23 AM

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yes

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:24 AM

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so can i ask something about youtube

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everytime i watch youtube python tutorials

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the description button "load more" is missing

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welp

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:24 AM

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load more what?

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:35 AM

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description

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video description

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see? there is no load more button

📎 Screen_Shot_2020-06-29_at_11.35.33_AM.png

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here is the full screenshot

📎 Screen_Shot_2020-06-29_at_11.36.10_AM.png

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:36 AM

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maybe because thats where the description ends?

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:36 AM

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no

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here is the other video

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📎 Screen_Shot_2020-06-29_at_11.37.08_AM.png

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"i will give you a quick tour of the-"

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;-;

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:38 AM

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idk, send link?

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:38 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUuIVJ96JsI

YouTube

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gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:41 AM

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ive got it so idk

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:41 AM

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;-;

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bru

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 4:41 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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says this:

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:42 AM

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;-;

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Try disabling your adblock and see if it helps

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 4:58 AM

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okay

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doesn't work

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 5:14 AM

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What browser are you using? Are you sure it's updated? your youtube version looks kinda old

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Google chrome

gaunt osprey Jun 29, 2020, 5:15 AM

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yeah, your youtube does look odd

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 5:15 AM

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:v

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my yt is old bc im using mac os x 10.7

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xD

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and my google chrome 49

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well

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nvm

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just forget it

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🙂

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can i ask u somethin

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about "A N I M E"

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xd

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jk

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eh

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soryr

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typo

hazy star Jun 29, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Guys

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Im officially famous

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Bruh every verified human now watches me

clear igloo Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 AM

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owh

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 7:47 AM

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@tribal aurora Which country?

tribal aurora Jun 29, 2020, 7:47 AM

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forget it

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Lol

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Forgot your country name?

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Uwu

graceful wigeon Jun 29, 2020, 8:10 AM

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country name is uh

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should I say hong kong?

errant wyvern Jun 29, 2020, 8:12 AM

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yes?

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sponk

soft violet Jun 29, 2020, 10:12 AM

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"My land's only borders lie around my heart." - Anthem, Chess.

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I've never liked that usage of "lie" indicating position.

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vs deliberate mistruth

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:01 PM

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I call upon the council of JavaScript to aid me!

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How the crap do I iterate over an object as if it were a Python dictionary

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By that I mean

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for key, value in my_dict.items():

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:02 PM

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https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/for...in

MDN Web Docs

for...in

The for...in statement iterates over all enumerable properties of an object that are keyed by strings (ignoring ones keyed by Symbols), including inherited enumerable properties.

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that's it I think

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:03 PM

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That...

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Huh

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I don't know why I was overcomplicating it

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I think Python just coddled me

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:03 PM

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the why use section seems important to read. I'm not 100% sure if that's what you want

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:03 PM

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It does seem like it is

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Hmm,

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 2:04 PM

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no it isn't that

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oh wiat

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hmmmmm

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:04 PM

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For context, I need both

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The key and the value

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 2:05 PM

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I forget what for (x of y) and for (x in y) do differently

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:05 PM

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you can just grab the value from the object like they do in the examples though right?

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for .. of is for iterable objects, so you can use it with arrays

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 2:06 PM

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ah

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:06 PM

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you shouldn't really use for .. in with arrays

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:09 PM

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I hate that there's so many differences

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This is one of those huge headaches I get from JS

cyan valley Jun 29, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Hello. Does someone know discord server for java or app development?

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:19 PM

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There's one for the android dev subreddit

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 2:19 PM

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https://discord.gg/D2cNrqX

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:20 PM

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thanks ❤️

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 2:20 PM

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from @undone berry

cyan valley Jun 29, 2020, 2:20 PM

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thank you

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Oh well crap

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I think I have to figure out what ECMAScript the Office API supports

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Because it looks like there ARE ways to do it, but the easiest is going to be from ECMAScript 2015 and 2017

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And I feel like I saw at some point that it only supports ECMAScript 5

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Sooooo

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This could be messy

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 2:21 PM

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really thinking outside the box with that automod message lol

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Oh for the invite block?

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 2:22 PM

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plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:22 PM

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HA

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@undone berry Well played

errant wyvern Jun 29, 2020, 2:36 PM

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@everyone ping flush

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w8

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how do you got the member count of that server

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:36 PM

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it says in the invite

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probably an api endpoint

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Yep

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@errant wyvern And in fairness, it's an everyone ping that only mods can see

errant wyvern Jun 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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sponk

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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So no harm no foul

errant wyvern Jun 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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yeah I know lol

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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@plucky ridge
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object/entries
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Map/entries
this or this depending on whether you have an object or a map

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Ah, perfect

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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you can do

for ([key, value] of ...) {}
```with both

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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I might HAVE to make it a map depending on what ECMA this supports

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 2:38 PM

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use of, not in. in goes over object keys, of goes over iterators

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 2:38 PM

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I thought you had to specify other parts of the object if you used of

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:39 PM

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@graceful basin He's trying to go over object keys

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or can objects be implicitly turned into iterators?

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 2:39 PM

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ah, then you probably want for (key of Object.keys(obj))

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:39 PM

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what's wrong with the for ... in method?

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 2:39 PM

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I think there was something specific which makes this better than in

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Docs don't mention that?

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afaics

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 2:40 PM

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in goes over keys of the prototype as well

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which you probably do not want

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you can use Object.hasOwnProperty to check whether it is an object key or a prototype key

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Object.prototype has non enumberable properties which it won't catch. So it won't get everything

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I guess it depends on the object itself

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but I think for ... in is fine

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 2:45 PM

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honestly, I am not too sure. I have seen in multiple sources (mostly SO) that Object.keys is better and never really questioned it. But it probably is fine either way

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would guess it is similar to is None vs == None in python

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Reading through the Mozilla docs. And unsurprisingly it seems like there's a million different ways to do this, each one catching slightly different stuff

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Oh good, .entries() will work

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Makes my life a smidge easier

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Feels like every time I open this project up to test something, it's always a new issue

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:11 PM

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the man asked for unit testing

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:11 PM

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what is the name of font that cmd using ( windows)

graceful basin Jun 29, 2020, 3:11 PM

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consolas IIRC

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:11 PM

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rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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because it's not a free font

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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because it's not a free font
@rough sapphire oof

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Not entirely surprising

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Inconsolata, an open source alternative, is available on Google Fonts.[6]

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I just want old pc/terminal font

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:13 PM

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try Courier New

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that's a classic

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:13 PM

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I just want old pc/terminal fon

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wait lemme find a example

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like this

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I need this font for my ubuntu terminal

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:15 PM

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try courier

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that and or courier new

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those fonts are preintalled almost always

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:16 PM

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rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yes. now make it smaller.

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that's some wrong font besides

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it's some courier polski

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you have courier on your computer already

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:17 PM

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no have

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@rough sapphire

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:18 PM

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...

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i have no idea how you don't have courier

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is it a windows-only font once again

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:19 PM

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lol

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Im using ubuntu

tacit flint Jun 29, 2020, 3:19 PM

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well i prefer consolas

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:19 PM

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no consolas

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:20 PM

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is that ubuntu?

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:20 PM

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yep

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:20 PM

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https://www.ostechnix.com/install-microsoft-windows-fonts-ubuntu-16-04/

OSTechNix

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Install Microsoft Windows Fonts In Ubuntu 18.04 LTS - OSTechNix

This short tutorial describes how to Install Microsoft Windows Fonts in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and its derivatives such as Linux Mint.

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that will install windows fonts which should include courier

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maybe consolas too

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:33 PM

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I should have seen this coming.

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It doesn't want .bmp files

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Going to convert them to .pngs

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Wheeeee

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:35 PM

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not working

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Have you restarted to see if that helps make the OS recognize the new fonts?

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:37 PM

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hmmhm

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also go find tech support from somewhere else, please?

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Why?

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:38 PM

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because he's not applying himself

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like trying to google how to install fonts is not hard.

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:39 PM

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You're not obligated to help if you feel like your time is being wasted

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Silence is better than discouragement

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:39 PM

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👍

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discouraging bad behavior is better than silence.

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though.

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Sure but there are better ways than just saying "go elsewhere"

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We often forget that researching is a learned skill

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:40 PM

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that makes sense.

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it becomes so second nature that we forget.

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Yep yep

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Have you restarted to see if that helps make the OS recognize the new fonts?
@plucky ridge restarted/ not worked again

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Mkay, let me check something

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@gloomy scarab How are you trying to change it? In the Preferences > Profiles bit?

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Sorry, force of habit to ping

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:42 PM

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@gloomy scarab How are you trying to change it? In the Preferences > Profiles bit?
@plucky ridge yes

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Can you take a screenshot of your current Profile window?

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Can you take a screenshot of your current Profile window?
@plucky ridge

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@plucky ridge

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:44 PM

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And have you swapped out the custom font where it has it?

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Currently it's got Monospace Bold selected

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:44 PM

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yep

quick ledge Jun 29, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Noto Mono 10pt

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is the font i use in my terminal

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:45 PM

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plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Perhaps.... search for ms

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See if they're labeled differently

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:45 PM

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did it install any new fonts?

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:45 PM

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rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:46 PM

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did you refresh the font cache

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:46 PM

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They rebooted

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Which I would assume would do that

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I'm not sure that's the same thing...

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Fair

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:46 PM

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did you refresh the font cache
@rough sapphire fc-cache

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yep I refreshed

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Does it show a bunch of fonts if you don't have anything searched?

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:47 PM

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yep

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Crap, back in a sec, have to help a coworker with something

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:47 PM

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do you have arial or times new roman

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:47 PM

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no

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:47 PM

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well whatever happened. then the fonts didn't get installed or configured properly.

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I think same

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I want ROM Font

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:49 PM

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did you accept the EULA when installing?

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:50 PM

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yep

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:50 PM

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did you run sudo fc-cache -f -v?

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run it again

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:51 PM

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DUDE

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dude*

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fonts came to libre office but

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not to terminal

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I need them in terminal

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Weird

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:52 PM

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close the terminal

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:52 PM

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rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:53 PM

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hmm it's some known bug apparently or something

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 3:54 PM

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I restarted

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pc

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but didnt worked agai

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again*

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 3:54 PM

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yeah that's not gonna help.

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i'm googling it.

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https://superuser.com/questions/1335155/patched-fonts-not-showing-up-on-gnome-terminal

Super User

Patched fonts not showing up on gnome-terminal

I installed the patched font "Source Code Pro" from https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts#option-3-install-script on my Ubuntu 18.10 box.

I can see the font showing up on the Fonts program (as

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 4:00 PM

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is it consolas

📎 unknown.png

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oofg

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Im returning to windos

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windows*

cerulean venture Jun 29, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Hello

brittle timber Jun 29, 2020, 4:59 PM

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hi there

quick ledge Jun 29, 2020, 5:19 PM

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hello there

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:20 PM

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print("Hello, World!")```

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:21 PM

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┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

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__

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:21 PM

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return```

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:21 PM

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how to make different colors?

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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lol

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thats not coolor

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syntax highlighting

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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WHOO

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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i want to knoW

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Got it in one try

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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xd

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you did it```

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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only BSS

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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"you did it"```

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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sorry CSS

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||i Know||

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:23 PM

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moo```

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cow

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There is a lang called

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cow

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and all syntaxes are

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mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:24 PM

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how to use >>>

mild bough Jun 29, 2020, 5:24 PM

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some gorilla language as well

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:24 PM

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OOOOOOOOO

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3>>3
hello

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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(=`#9]~67Y32Vx/4Rs+0No-&Jk"Fh}|Bcy?
`=*2]Kw9ooG4UUSO/@-ejc(:'8dc```

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Why is there so much spam going on?

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Malbolge hello world

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Not really the point of the channel

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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it's all about off topic

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Off-topic conversations. Not spam

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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we should develop a language

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:26 PM

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There are plenty of other servers to do that in

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:26 PM

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what do you mean by spam?

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They are not smart😸

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I mean that feels pretty evident

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gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:27 PM

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>++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<.>++++[<+++++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>++++++[<+++++++>-]<+
+.------------.>++++++[<+++++++++>-]<+.<.+++.------.--------.>>>++++[<++++++++>-
]<+.```

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Output: Hello World

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I was responding to how to use >>> operator
@rough sapphire they are not operators

golden barn Jun 29, 2020, 5:27 PM

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still don't get it

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:28 PM

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strings*

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MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO
 MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO
 MoO MoO Moo MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO Moo MoO MoO
 MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO Moo Moo MoO MoO MoO Moo OOO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO
 MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO Moo MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO
 MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO
 MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO
 MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO Moo MOo
 MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo
 MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo Moo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo Moo MoO MoO MoO Moo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo Moo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo MOo Moo
 OOO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO MoO Moo ```

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Hello World in cow

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Okay, now that is spam

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Noo

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I sent a syntax

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:29 PM

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!paste if you're going to output something large and code

royal lakeBOT Jun 29, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pydis.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:29 PM

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owh

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I didnt know it

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:29 PM

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That's why I'm showing it to you

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I'm not unreasonable

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:30 PM

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okok ty

mild bough Jun 29, 2020, 5:31 PM

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@plucky ridge when I said gorilla language I meant something that had you type oo oo aa aa or something as keywords and all

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:32 PM

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It was more the other ones than yours

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You just happened to be in the middle

mild bough Jun 29, 2020, 5:32 PM

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oh, alright

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@plucky ridge excuse the ping, but I meant orangutans, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ook!

Ook!

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Makes me think of the Librarian from Discworld

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:47 PM

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@zinc sail Are you Turk?

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Well that's random

gloomy scarab Jun 29, 2020, 5:57 PM

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yep

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but her name is Ela

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Ela is a Turkish name

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Sorry for my Curiosness

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 6:37 PM

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@hard snow this channel isn't a meme dump

hard snow Jun 29, 2020, 6:38 PM

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'dump#

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'dump'

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cheer up

bleak lintel Jun 29, 2020, 6:38 PM

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what

plucky ridge Jun 29, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I don't understand people's instance that that we're the ones at fault. There are hundreds and hundreds of other servers made JUST for this sort of thing. Why try to be a pain and dump memes in a place where they're not wanted

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Just makes 0 sense to me

honest star Jun 29, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Mmmm new Bring Me The Horizon single is pretty good.

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I hear The_Donald just got banned from Reddit

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Twitter is going to be a mess tonight

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:22 PM

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that's what sparked the discussion in the other channel. Reddit released a statement, and in it they almost explicitly say you can use hate speech against majority groups

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I'm guessing the two were closely linked

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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ronald mc donald

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Huh, I need to read that statement

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:25 PM

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i'm writing a backend for my website

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:25 PM

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https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

Reddit Help

Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Ah, yep, that's a spicy meatball

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:25 PM

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hm

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well it's pretty clear why it's stated like that

wheat cloak Jun 29, 2020, 7:27 PM

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are you using django?

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:27 PM

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It feels a little unclear on what they mean by a majority

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:27 PM

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hmm yeah

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Like are they saying that it doesn't protect the regular people in a specific subreddit?

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:27 PM

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I'm pretty sure they'd ban some "kill all white people" subreddit in a heartbeat

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:27 PM

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so hate speech against women is fine in hong kong?

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it's a bit of a dodgy criteria

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:28 PM

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prediction: the reddit discussion takes of here, goes on a dumb tangent, then someone enters ot2 and hooks into the reddit discussion again

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then we can have an endless looping of this reddit discussion

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Haha

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:28 PM

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@wheat cloak y u asking

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and yes, i'm trying to use django

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Majority is a loaded term and doesn't represent what is actually being described when we talk about majority vs minority

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:29 PM

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though I don't have a very good usecase for it

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:29 PM

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it's about the power in society, not demographic makeup of a region

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:29 PM

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right but then it's completely arbitrary

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it becomes 'don't do hate speech against people you shouldn't do hate speech against'

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as defined by reddit

wheat cloak Jun 29, 2020, 7:29 PM

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i also started to learn django with postgreSQL, i dont really get what i learn lol

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 PM

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technically, but welcome to social science, you generally don't have strictly defined categories

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 PM

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@wheat cloak I mean do you know what you want to build with it?

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 PM

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I doubt it'll last long

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GitHub tried the same thing a while back and reverted it pretty quickly

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 PM

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github has a hate speech policy?

wheat cloak Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 PM

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@rough sapphire nah not really, i'm doing frontend right now and thought i should learn the backend before i actually have a project idea for it

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 PM

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newsflash: metallica renames their album Main of the Puppets

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:30 PM

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most websites probably do

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hate speech is a pervasive issue on the internet

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:31 PM

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i would have thought it was up to the repo maintainers

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Their code of conduct used to say that they weren't interested in reports of hate speech towards eg men, white people

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I'm not surprised

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:31 PM

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@wheat cloak well there's always gonna be some backend. if your frontend is just static content or doesn't really interact with the backend at all, then there might not be any need to learn it separately.

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@wheat cloak the backend can work without a frontend

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:32 PM

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It's discriminatory, not necessarily racist, but either way it's pretty problematic

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:33 PM

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usually hate speech directed towards white cis-het men tends to not have much credibility to it as a threat and doesn't represent sentiments of racial superiority

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Yeah.

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It's still discrimination though

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It doesn't have a place in a polite setting is the point

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:33 PM

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well, not discrimination necessarily, unless it's literally someone being excluded from something due to these characteristics

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:33 PM

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it does exist though loonsun, and having it in policy will only make it more common even if it isn't a real issue

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:33 PM

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it's more just slurs or bigotry

rough sapphire Jun 29, 2020, 7:33 PM

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wait ot0 turned into some movie discussion

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:34 PM

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that happens

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:34 PM

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0 indexing ;)

sand goblet Jun 29, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Oh hey

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The Trump twitch channel just got banned too

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Apparently

viral parrot Jun 29, 2020, 7:36 PM

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is this discusioin derailing?

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:36 PM

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uh

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the first one is very clearly racist

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playing into racist stereotypes is racist

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all black people are thieves is racist

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oh right - the second one is racist

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mb

viral parrot Jun 29, 2020, 7:37 PM

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lets stop this now

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:37 PM

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@viral parrot a discussion on racism doesn't seem all that harmful

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I'll stop if we have to

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but I'm curious as to why

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:37 PM

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alright, was answering the ping I got earlier, sorry for bringing it back up

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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oh yeah i see your point loonsun but i think having a policy of 'no hate speech against majorities' ignores the examples of that kind of thing that do exist,

viral parrot Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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discussions like this is not in accordance with our code of concuct

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!rule 2

royal lakeBOT Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Rules

2. Follow the Python Discord Code of Conduct.

viral parrot Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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i suggest you read them again.

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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don't think it's that polarizing

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seems like a fairly reasonable discussion

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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It's none of those things

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afaics

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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it definitely is, so lets move on to something else

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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everyone here seems to be acting like adults

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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even if we are being civil, they are still loaded

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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well 'mature people'

kindred flower Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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so if @viral parrot wants us to move on, that is final

viral parrot Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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yes, because lets stop before it derails. i do not want to infract anyone today 😄

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yes thanks @kindred flower

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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IMO discussion of racism with the goal of coming to a better understanding of it is a good idea

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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what's the most sacharrine thing we can discuss

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with no basis in important issues

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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well

high verge Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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.topic

median domeBOT Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Name one famous person you would like to have at your easter dinner.

undone berry Jun 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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in the other channel

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it was star wars