#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 414

jolly sparrow Jun 18, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Google spies: slide him that generic c++ ide gang

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Guess Google also wants me to learn C++ and not C.

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chiakiPensive

topaz aurora Jun 18, 2020, 12:38 PM

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lark is fun
The parser's alive!

λ> (+ 5 (* 5 5) 5)
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graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

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lark seems overkill for lisp

topaz aurora Jun 18, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Actually yeah now that I think about it

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Though it's two birds with one stone so I might as well

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Wait, so the prepended operation can handle an arbitrary number of arguments?

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 1:02 PM

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most lisp functions are variadic

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Why did I think it could only handle 2 at a time...

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 1:03 PM

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#|kawa:1|# (> 1 2 3 6)
#f
#|kawa:2|# (> 6 5 4 2 1)
#t
``` even things like `>`

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Is that like an any?

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On first fail it short circuits?

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And is it comparing like....

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1 > 2, 2 > 3, 3 > 6?

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Or does it compare it all to the first

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 1:05 PM

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definitely does not short circuit

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as for the internal impl, I would assume it works like that

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for short circuiting, it would have to be a macro, which it is not

#|kawa:1|# >
#<procedure >>
#|kawa:2|# let
#<macro let>

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 1:23 PM

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@shadow jetty

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speaking of stupid uses of dunders

shadow jetty Jun 18, 2020, 1:25 PM

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i have a ridiculous one i've shared a few times

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 1:25 PM

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ooh

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i've been trying to think of interesting ones but i've been coming up a little short

shadow jetty Jun 18, 2020, 1:26 PM

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!e

class Stringy:
    def __init__(self, name):
        self.name = name
    def __getattr__(self, attr):
        self.ext = attr; return self
    def __matmul__(self, other):
        print(f'Emailing {self}@{other}')
    def __str__(self):
        return '.'.join(attr for attr in self.__dict__.values())
    def __call__(self, msg):
        self.msg = f'.. {msg}'; return self

class StringyDefaultDict(dict):
    def __missing__(self, key):
        if key.startswith('__'): raise KeyError(key)
        self[key] = Stringy(key); return self[key]

class EmailMeta(type):
    def __prepare__(*args):
        return StringyDefaultDict()

class Server(metaclass=EmailMeta): ...

class Email(Server):
    lemon@discord.py('Hi lemon!')
    ves@zappa.edu('Hi ves!')
    joe@mama.com('Hi joe!')

royal lakeBOT Jun 18, 2020, 1:26 PM

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@shadow jetty :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Emailing lemon@discord.py... Hi lemon!
002 | Emailing ves@zappa.edu... Hi ves!
003 | Emailing joe@mama.com... Hi joe!

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 1:26 PM

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oh god

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i didn't know you could do that

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is the @ still being a decorator?

shadow jetty Jun 18, 2020, 1:26 PM

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it's __matmul__

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 1:27 PM

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i was actually thinking of doing 'haha @ is also email' but it wouldn't have been as good as that

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oh nice

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i didn't realise that [x] could have x as a tuple

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or

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well

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[x,y,z] gets passed as (x,y,z)

shadow jetty Jun 18, 2020, 1:27 PM

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you use [...] on classes with __class_getitem__

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or define __getitem__ in a metaclass

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i use it as a constructor for a class

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 1:28 PM

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oh god i have an idea

shadow jetty Jun 18, 2020, 1:29 PM

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In [40]: from real_ranges import *

In [41]: Range[1:4], Range[10:], Range[:3.14159]
Out[41]: ([1, 4), [10, ∞), (-∞, 3.14159))

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Ow my brain

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God, I wish I was half as smart as you

shadow jetty Jun 18, 2020, 1:29 PM

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have you seen the ranges library?

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https://github.com/salt-die/real_ranges

GitHub

salt-die/real_ranges

Another continuous range implementation! Contribute to salt-die/real_ranges development by creating an account on GitHub.

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Okay, that time implementation

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THAT'S genius

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 1:31 PM

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brought to you by subpar psuedocode

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shadow jetty Jun 18, 2020, 1:37 PM

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oh, i made a neat helper class for ranges that you might like

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In [43]: x = Var('x')

In [44]: RangeSet(x < 3, 4 < x < 6, 7 < x < 8, 9 < x)
Out[44]: {(-∞, 3), (4, 6), (7, 8), (9, ∞)}

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inspired by sympy

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reduces typing

deep drum Jun 18, 2020, 1:56 PM

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more cool shit from spice gg

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so GitHub is doing another design change in Feature Previews

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i do not like it at all tbh

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I like their repository refresh. It's quite different and experimental, could use some work, but overall interest.

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But this new site redesign with all the circles, rounded squares and stuff. no thanks

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 1:57 PM

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feels incomplete

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which it may well be

deep drum Jun 18, 2020, 1:58 PM

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It just looks bad. Probably the only Feature Preview that I've immediately disabled.

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@oak tangle random q., but if you don't mind me asking, did you happen to go to Leiden uni?

warm widget Jun 18, 2020, 3:53 PM

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lemon_thinking exposed

oak tangle Jun 18, 2020, 3:54 PM

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@rough sapphire Ha, what makes you think that?

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 3:55 PM

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you happen to have a leidenuniv.nl email

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I'm just interested because my gf goes there

oak tangle Jun 18, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Ah, yeah, I went there and worked there

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 3:55 PM

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fair enough

oak tangle Jun 18, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Now I wonder where that email address is listed

tawny star Jun 18, 2020, 4:20 PM

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what do you all think of OneLoneCoder?

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Not really familiar with them

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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https://twitter.com/hikari_no_yume/status/1273307360870752258

other Andrea ☀️ not actually Matsuri (@hikari_no_yume)

After years of contributing to the PHP source code, it finally happened.

I (along with at least one other developer) got one of Those emails.

Likes

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(4 pics)

gentle moss Jun 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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hah

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 5:22 PM

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@rough sapphire True, I could see that. Stealing just for entertainment is a bit shallow, but education is a different matter. I still don't condone it, but I'm less bothered by it, I guess

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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yes

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i understand

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ive got to sleep so

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gn

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Fair enough, sleep well

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Huh, okay now THAT'S interesting

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Messing with Reason some more, just got to functions.

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let add = (x, y, z) => x + y + z;
```Compiles to this in JS:
```js
function add(x, y, z) {
  return (x + y | 0) + z | 0;
}

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I guess I shouldn't be overly surprised, but I just wasn't expecting it to do the | 0 bits

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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wasn't the | 0 to force integers or something

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since javascript only has floats

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> (1.9999 |0)  + (1.9999 |0)
2```

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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no, it is because functions in JS can receive too few arguments

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 5:53 PM

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It's essentially defaulting y and z to 0

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 5:53 PM

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function add(x, y) {
    return x + y
}
console.log(add(1)) // 1 + undefined = NaN

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gotta say I am impressed, expected '1undefined'

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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> (1 + 2.999 |0)
3```

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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wh

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Hold on, I'll see what it does with floats

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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oh

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that's horrible

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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it truncates floats...

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to ints

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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this is neat

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graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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ah, I get it

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| is bitwise or, and it coerces its args to whole numbers

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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@graceful basin it's bitwise yes.

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that's how you force things into integers in javascript

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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and number | 0 is the number itself

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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as said, javascript doesn't have integers

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it does floats only

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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but here it is used for this I would think

> undefined | 0
0

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Okay so:

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let float_add = (x: float, y: float, z: float): float => {
  x +. y +. z
};
```Turns into:
```js
function float_add(x, y, z) {
  return x + y + z;
}

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Which, huh

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And yes, you do have to do +. when adding floats

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It's friggin' weird

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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kinda like it

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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oh, it was for integer setting then.

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Seems that way

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I guess the haskell solution of a Num typeclass is a bit iffy

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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If there's a possibility that it could be undefined, I think you can just wrap it in an option or something like that

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Still a little fuzz on the JS interop stuff

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 6:01 PM

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yesterday's venture of trying to use R from python ended up poorly.

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didn't work.

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gonna have to try again with some new energy. try to set up some docker container that they provided.

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the problem are the versions and intricacies of calling the correct things from one to another.

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Ah, found it, one sec

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 6:03 PM

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especially on windows it seemed to be painful since cygwin was involved and there were version number problems with that.

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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is there a dunder for chained comparison?

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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chained?

graceful basin Jun 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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no, it just compares multiple times (if this is what you mean)

In [53]: dis.dis("a < b < c")
  1           0 LOAD_NAME                0 (a)
              2 LOAD_NAME                1 (b)
              4 DUP_TOP
              6 ROT_THREE
              8 COMPARE_OP               0 (<)
             10 JUMP_IF_FALSE_OR_POP    18
             12 LOAD_NAME                2 (c)
             14 COMPARE_OP               0 (<)
             16 RETURN_VALUE
        >>   18 ROT_TWO
             20 POP_TOP
             22 RETURN_VALUE

warm widget Jun 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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The forbidden language. Yava.

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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i have this

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the brackets change the behaviour

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 6:07 PM

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those are binary operators

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yes, they do

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 6:07 PM

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because presumably it does a < b AND b < c

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so i lose what i'm returning from the __lt__ dunder

plucky ridge Jun 18, 2020, 6:11 PM

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let add = (~x: int, ~y: option(int)=?, ()): int => switch (y) {
  | None => x
  | Some(y) => y + x
};
```To JS:
```js
function add(x, y, param) {
  if (y !== undefined) {
    return y + x | 0;
  } else {
    return x;
  }
}

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Which yeah, probably should have seen that coming

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Also don't hate, still trying to get the hang of the Reason styling

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Oh interseting

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Since Reason can infer the types, I can change ~y: option(int)=? to just ~y=?

high verge Jun 18, 2020, 10:29 PM

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i want to know what that exe does lol

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oh it might be legit

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weird

idle night Jun 18, 2020, 10:34 PM

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May someone please help me find my passion without trying different things? If it is so, that how I think of passion is wrong. Sorry for bringing the subject up again. I wished I had the money to try out new things. I just feel more insecure knowing that it is subjective. But then again maybe I'm wrong. Is it? How can I feel what I think someone else is feeling?

bleak lintel Jun 18, 2020, 10:41 PM

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@high verge removing link purely because someone will click it lol

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 11:15 PM

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lol

rough sapphire Jun 18, 2020, 11:55 PM

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idk why but this layout looks wrong

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like it shouldnt exist

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the console was below the code, but i figured since python shouldnt be more than 120 chars wide anyway, why not just put the console to the side, and make more screen space

fluid mason Jun 19, 2020, 12:29 AM

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is that pycharm?

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everything looks so colorful
i wanna edit the colors but im too lazy to go search for it so wtv

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 12:54 AM

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it is

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it's a plugin called material theme ui

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@fluid mason

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fluid mason Jun 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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doesnt pycharm come with its default css styling?

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eh ill try it out

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woah everything looks... cleaner

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand i regret running the bot in cmd prompt cuz now it types twice REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 4:42 AM

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xD

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but ye thats the point of material design

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to be clean :3

summer knot Jun 19, 2020, 6:37 AM

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@modern ibex Replying here since #python-discussion isn't the place. Yes I'm a uni student, just about to finish my final semester

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:44 AM

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...yes angry sugar

terse heron Jun 19, 2020, 6:45 AM

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rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:45 AM

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What's the bare minimum it needs?

terse heron Jun 19, 2020, 6:45 AM

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So basically the actual board is just a 2d array, like so

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rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Uhuh

terse heron Jun 19, 2020, 6:46 AM

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The way it works is via backtracing, which is really cool because it means it can be given 0 numbers and still generate an answer

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Oh wow

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So to use a different sudoku would you need to change the board values?

terse heron Jun 19, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Basically it goes through every number 1-9, and if the current iteration would be valid, keep it, and move to the next. Once there's no longer a possible input, delete the previous number, and start iterating again but numbers num-9 so you don't just keep getting the same values

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And yea basically. I could also make a randomiser and stuff which would be easy enough but haven't bothered tbh

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:48 AM

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How long did it take you to code this?

terse heron Jun 19, 2020, 6:49 AM

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If you're curious this is the solving for an empty board to start

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rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Thats cool

terse heron Jun 19, 2020, 6:49 AM

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And honestly the hardest part was making the output pretty

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Took me about an hour or two just to do that lmao

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The actual code for backtracing etc. was about 40-60mins

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def print_board(board: list) -> None:
    """
    Prints out the sudoku board contained within the board list.
    NB: 'boarders' = lines separating the 3x3 grids from each other.
    """
    
    print(f"╔{'═══╤═══╤═══╦'*2}{'═══╤'*2}═══╗")  # top horizontal boarder
    for index, val in enumerate(board):
        print("║ ", end="")  # left column that doesn't interact with other rows/columns
        for nindex, nval in enumerate(val):
            print(nval if nval else ' ', end="")

                
            if (nindex + 1) % 3 == 0:
                print(" ║ ", end="")  # vertical boarders

            else:
                 print(" | ", end="")  # vertical columns

                 
        if val == board[-1]:  # allows us to manually print final row
            break
        
        if (index + 1) % 3 == 0:
            print(f"\n╠{'═══╪═══╪═══╬'*2}{'═══╪'*2}═══╣")  # horizontal boarders

        else:
            print(f"\n╟{'---┼---┼---╫'*2}{'---┼'*2}---╢")  # horizontal rows

    print(f"\n╚{'═══╧═══╧═══╩'*2}{'═══╧'*2}═══╝")  # bottom horizontal boarder```is the printing code

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Getting the logic right for all that was horrible lmao

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And tbh this is a pretty basic sudoku solver, basically a brute-forcer

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Does have a few optimisation things but not many

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@rough sapphire

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Oh damn

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Looks good

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I'll have to see how it works when I'm a bit more awake

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 7:17 AM

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how big is too big of a YAML file

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owo1

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"too big"

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umm?

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y e s

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like, at what point would you say i split it

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does YAML support imports

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im currently at 172 lines

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includes

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and no ;-;

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i'd have to do that in code

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configuration files can be pretty huge

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sometimes

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o

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it depends on the content I guess?

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true

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xD

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thats part of it

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config for private bot for my discord server

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I don't think 172 lines is too much

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okii

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some linux .conf files are in the thousands of lines including comments

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oh

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true

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hm cuz like, i also wanna make it so staff can parts it in discord

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like, add a rotating status

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so it could grow past the default

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i think it's about things being logically in the same place

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ah fair

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if you start splitting things, as long as they make sense to put into the other place, it's fine

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i'm already keeping it pretty organized, but yea if 2k lines is accepable, im sure 500 is

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i'd rather be looking for the settings in one big file than multiple smaller files

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since that's how other programs do it too

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yea that makes sense

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 7:57 AM

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can someone explain Monolithic and Microservices architecture to me like i'm 12

autumn herald Jun 19, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Monolith is a big blob that either work or dont, Microservices are tiny blobs not working together, but its fine because you said its on purpose

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Ill be at Pycon 2021, thanks for the like and suscribe

high verge Jun 19, 2020, 8:47 AM

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nothing works

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:\

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 9:07 AM

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i just had a revelation

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when you say the word "mandrake"

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what you're really saying is man and then drake

high verge Jun 19, 2020, 9:31 AM

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https://open.spotify.com/track/3G0awBmyUu0eLh30XTthBk?si=eTbv3dfYQG2N0v9ehYweeQ

Spotify

Rock The Party - Radio Edit

Rock The Party - Radio Edit, a song by Jauz, Ephwurd on Spotify

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god this song

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it's great

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then they just pull a generic spinnin' records chorus out of their arse at 1:16

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 9:59 AM

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@rough sapphire who is this Drake person?

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@rough sapphire i don't know. i was thinking of drakes. some kind of flying things.

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Oh

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Dragons fly

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magic the gathering has both drakes and mandrakes.

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its the disk rake util

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Drake's don't all fly

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drakes don't fly

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that's the distincttion

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@rough sapphire depends on the mythology

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how does that not fly

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that's very clearly not a drake

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same way ostriches dont

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i guess mtg doesn't have mandrakes. weird.

leaden shuttle Jun 19, 2020, 10:12 AM

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hiThere

topaz aurora Jun 19, 2020, 10:58 AM

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I should probably start using vim-plug instead of pathogen for my vim plugins

wooden silo Jun 19, 2020, 11:09 AM

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It's like MtG has no respect for mythological taxonomy!

void carbon Jun 19, 2020, 11:12 AM

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hey guys I got confused,

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look at the address was meant to be same isn't it? I saw a video by telusko and he said that same, what's happening here ?

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why is the address different here

undone berry Jun 19, 2020, 11:14 AM

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It can be the same. But doesn't have to be, cpython caches some numbers as singletons, but not all. Try it with a smaller number, less than 255

void carbon Jun 19, 2020, 11:15 AM

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wow! I didn;t knew this technical stuff, tysm

leaden shuttle Jun 19, 2020, 11:41 AM

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@topaz aurora I really like vim-plug, but I see packadd everywhere I go these days thonk

bronze root Jun 19, 2020, 1:04 PM

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when doing cp-like exercises, should I use the stdlib ?

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on one hand, not using it is a good way to come up with my own solutions

high verge Jun 19, 2020, 1:06 PM

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what kind of exercises specifically

bronze root Jun 19, 2020, 1:06 PM

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on the other hand, the stdlib just makes everything cleaner, and is probably going to be the solution that I use in prod

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hackerrank stuff

undone berry Jun 19, 2020, 1:44 PM

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you use any tools available to you unless the task says otherwise

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you really want to be using stuff like deque() from collections

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maybe some of the itertools stuff might be going a bit far

prisma geyser Jun 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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I have an out topic question

plucky ridge Jun 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Shoot

prisma geyser Jun 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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So recently my hard drive crashed

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And I foolishly had no backup

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So if I download android Studio again, will I still have my projects there

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Like are they saved there in my account?

plucky ridge Jun 19, 2020, 2:09 PM

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I don't believe so. Unless you were uploading them to somewhere or using GitHub or something

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If it's wiped, it's wiped

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The only thing that JetBrains holds on to for you is configuration for your IDE (which that may just be a Pro version thing, not sure)

topaz aurora Jun 19, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Argh, the space in my Windows user profile name is coming back to bite me

gentle moss Jun 19, 2020, 2:22 PM

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hah

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never spaces, always lowercase, dashes instead of underscores.

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i think @rough sapphire is with me on dashes

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 2:24 PM

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_

gentle moss Jun 19, 2020, 2:25 PM

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i don't see it, what's over there?

topaz aurora Jun 19, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Might as well migrate to a new profile once I can externally backup my stuff

prisma geyser Jun 19, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Ah! So sad 😭

solid pollen Jun 19, 2020, 4:01 PM

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The issue with dashes is that it is no go in programming because it is the minus sign

plucky ridge Jun 19, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Sort of

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I mean in a string it doesn't matter

graceful basin Jun 19, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Dashes work in identifiers in quite a few languages

plucky ridge Jun 19, 2020, 6:09 PM

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winget can't get here soon enough

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I'm craving for an easy, not Microsoft Store way to update stuff

gritty mulch Jun 19, 2020, 6:25 PM

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@cerulean musk If you want to write mods for bedrock you cannot do it in C++

cerulean musk Jun 19, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Ok

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What is the chanel dedicated to C++ developper ? And thank you

gritty mulch Jun 19, 2020, 6:26 PM

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You do not want C++

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How many times

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Also this is a Python server you'd need to find a C++ Discord

cerulean musk Jun 19, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Ok

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Thank you

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Bye

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 6:46 PM

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I've been having this PSU crackling sound since a while now and it's driving me mad. It's much exaggerated here and only barely audible when the case is closed. Does anyone know what's wrong with my PSU? :P

📎 psu2.mp3

cerulean basin Jun 19, 2020, 6:55 PM

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My first suspicion is the fan

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Try blowing out any dust

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If it still persists then email its manufacturer

plucky ridge Jun 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Yeah sounds like a fan hum

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Doesn't sound like coil whine....

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Hmm, I cleaned the fan but the noise persists

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The warranty is void since a year unfortunately

leaden shuttle Jun 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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oh no @rough sapphire

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what have you done.

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It's suffering from Arch Linux

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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xD This has been happening since quite some time now

leaden shuttle Jun 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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it's overseer btw, changed name

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oh okay :D

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https://youtu.be/BVKZL0Ik6os

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Chess and drinking Thonk

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what could go wrong

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 8:37 PM

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W h y

graceful basin Jun 19, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Made a mandelbrot drawer on my phone. https://paste.pythondiscord.com/vagopatafe.py

📎 a.png

warm widget Jun 19, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Cpu: I don't feel so good.

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 11:25 PM

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LOL

rough sapphire Jun 19, 2020, 11:59 PM

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When they won't just shut up.

📎 Naptime.mp4

lucid quiver Jun 20, 2020, 1:00 AM

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where do i buy dis

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Do you even have kids?

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Nevermind you can even use it on annoying Discord moderators...

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https://whentheywontshutup.com/discount/None

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I need that product in my life

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I’ll buy your entire stock

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In fact, I’ll buy the company

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Deal

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Agrees because there's like 420 lawsuits on the company.

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Cough cough

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Does not matter

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I’m already wanted enough

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:57 AM

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SagiriBlegh

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 2:57 AM

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I’m already chasing an idiot for blowing my house up

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Literally

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:58 AM

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I'm being blackmailed and sexually abused by a 18 year old lesbian...

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Literally pedophilia right there.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 2:58 AM

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That sucks

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Yuh, she won't leave me alone.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 2:59 AM

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It’s hard to read discord with my mask on

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:00 AM

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It's hard to read Discord while split-screening.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:00 AM

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But if you want her to leave you alone, then just cause a sinkhole at her house

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Nah let me let that bioch do her thing until she gets tired of me.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Your call

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Has ended.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Have you ever tried to drink water through a mask

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:06 AM

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No

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Well I just figured out it is possible

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:07 AM

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W h y

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:07 AM

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But you’ll get more water on your mask rather than in your mouth

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Yes, makes sense. #DoNotWasteWater

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:08 AM

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I could pull up the mask but that will get rid of the point of my mask and straw hat

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Why are you even wearing a mask...

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Fuck it, corona time!

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Because I needed a pfp but I didn’t want to show my face

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So the idea of my pfp was born

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Default avatar also works.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Eh

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Not a big fan of it

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Epic hacker boys 69 use the default avatar and have a status of invisible.

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I bet you want to join their hacker group and DDos little girls for cp don't ya?

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Police sirens intensifies.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:11 AM

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No

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I’m not a hacker so I’m not interested

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:11 AM

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That's what I thought.

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Pffft

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Not a script kiddie, smh.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Most “hackers” are script kiddies

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Yes

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That's my whole point...

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Join their epic "hacker" group to DDos and blackmail people, oh my god!!!

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Hackers, wooo!!!

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:13 AM

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The idea of being a hacker isn’t “cool”

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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All they know is how to ping <some IP> -t lol

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Smh

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Hacking is illegal

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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I know

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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And you will get arrested

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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And I'm literally being sarcastic rn.

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I'm not serious.

topaz aurora Jun 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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dir C:\Users /s

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I know

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Hacking has a variable definition.

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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What

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Not all hacking involves illegality.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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That is true

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I hack't my mum's BIOS lololol.

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Not all hacking is sitting at a keyboard going kekeke

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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KEK

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:16 AM

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True hacking is cutting something up

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With a crowbar

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:16 AM

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So... Is anyone interested in teaching me how to hack or no...

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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There's hardware modification. It's using technologies in ways they weren't originally intended. Hardware hacking. Engineering. Not necessarily illegal.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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@rough sapphire Take your local crowbar and hit a window with it

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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I'll get arrested for vandalism.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Boom your hacking

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Fuck

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Hack your window

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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But I'm only 15, a virgin...

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No- Not yet!

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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So that one day you will become the greatest hacker

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You will be able to hack any window

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I will hack my sister though.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Especially windows 10

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I hate those kinds of windows

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Windows, ah yes I know how to get admin on it without having access to the os itself.

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SagiriBlegh

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Or that time I, through a genuine and honest accident, discovered a way to get free photocopies at uni.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Lol

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:19 AM

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I told the head of the place. Nothing was done to patch it.

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Lol

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:19 AM

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There was provision for free copying under certain circumstances, so I just used it then.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:20 AM

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This is the reason I don’t use windows anymore

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Both digitally and physically

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Hm?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:21 AM

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C'mon man, it's a sexy ass os.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:21 AM

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I have removed all the windows from my house

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Lol

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:21 AM

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All the windows from my computer

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Fuck it, no Windows.

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Lol let me find an image of a guy removing a Window.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Anyone who tried to break into my house faces my true hacking

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:22 AM

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And uninstalling Windows 10...

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I will use my true hacking skills at Microsoft

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And break all the windows

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All of them will shatter

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:27 AM

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At any rate, if you consider conputers and the internet like an organism, you want that organism to have a good immune system. Having no bad actors would be a really bad thing, because then that immune system isn't being stimulated and it would start to atrophy. Then, when something does come along, the organism gets really sick and maybe dies because, oops, no immune system.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Fax

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:28 AM

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The universe works in fractals.

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Micro in us, macro in what we have built.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Your starting to get too philosophical for my small brain

red willow Jun 20, 2020, 3:30 AM

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who is in charge of changing the Off-Topic channel names?

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Bot does it.

red willow Jun 20, 2020, 3:30 AM

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really?

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Is that what you mean?

red willow Jun 20, 2020, 3:31 AM

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is that what I mean? I'm not following

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seems like the off-topic room names change frequently

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Does my answer satisfy your question?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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@tight meadow

📎 fuck_it_no_windows.jpg

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Sorry for the shitty format but I couldn't do much on a tablet...

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Thank you I’m gonna take that now

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And credit you

red willow Jun 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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umm.....how does the bot know what to change it to?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Oh

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OH

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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No but seriously that’s perfect

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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@red willow It draws from a database of room names which is added to at admin whim.

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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IT WAS WINDOWS 10 DOWNGRADE, LET ME UPDATE THE MEME.

red willow Jun 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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ok thanks

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was just curious

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I need to get back tot Autocad tutorials but I am just burnt out

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so I am procrastinating on here

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😁

soft violet Jun 20, 2020, 3:34 AM

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I would at least swap around the image order. Most people read left to right. Top and bottom may be more universal.

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:43 AM

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📎 Fuck_It_No_Windows.png

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I can't do pro photoshop editing, sowwy.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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It’s fine

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Its still good

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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<3

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Anyways I gotta become a master hacker

warm widget Jun 20, 2020, 4:43 AM

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thinkmon

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Fuck it, no Windows

warm widget Jun 20, 2020, 4:44 AM

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watches How to hack 14 hour long video on youtube ;/

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I can just imagine it

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 4:44 AM

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No not that kind of hacking

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Physical hacking

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 4:45 AM

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There's a noob to expert Python course on YouTube that's like 12h or 16h long...

warm widget Jun 20, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Physcal? okay this is beyond me.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 4:45 AM

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When you hack?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 4:45 AM

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When you hack.

warm widget Jun 20, 2020, 4:45 AM

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You mean life hacks?

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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No, the action of cutting and hitting things with excessive force

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Or opening things

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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I opened my own hole in a wall.

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Hacker

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Man

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I hacked the wall.

tight meadow Jun 20, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I hacked my window

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I hacked my own laptop.

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It's dead now.

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Mr. Hackerman

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 9:58 AM

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I've got a Hacker book with Kali

high verge Jun 20, 2020, 10:04 AM

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your book runs on kali?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 10:05 AM

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Yes

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I need to use kali to practice in that book

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 10:25 AM

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let me downgrade to 8.1

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 12:28 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291284109232308226/723653789936123985/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571629807960588288/723535329415659600/unknown.png

solid pollen Jun 20, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Why so different colors haha

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:29 PM

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that is by far the worst vscode theme i've ever seen

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no offense

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everything is just so fucking GREEN

solid pollen Jun 20, 2020, 1:30 PM

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... Green?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:30 PM

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red then?

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:30 PM

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red

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:30 PM

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because that's even worse

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why

solid pollen Jun 20, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Ah, you are colorblind?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:41 PM

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@rough sapphire 🥳 happy midsummer

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you too man

#

trying to make hamburger patties out of minced meat here 🍔

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never done them by hand before. usually just by them premade

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what do i need

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i have ... meat

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:42 PM

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onion, egg, and minced beef

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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i have eggs but i don't have onions

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@solid pollen protanopia

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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pretty sure you really want onions

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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it'll be fine

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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here's a random recipe that's probably ok https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/beef-burgers-learn-make

BBC Good Food

Beef burgers - learn to make

Learn how to make succulent beef burgers with just four ingredients. An easy recipe for perfect homemade patties.

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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i'm not chopping onions. too much trouble

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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chopping onions is a skill worth learning

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everything good has onions in it

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:44 PM

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chopping onions is actually much easier than you think

solid pollen Jun 20, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Ah okay

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:44 PM

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i learned it in no time

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the chopping of the onions part is kinda easy but i hate the part where you have to take the onions apart

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like peel them

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plus it makes a mess

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:44 PM

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it's a very easy to clean mess

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:44 PM

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just cut a slight circular ring around the onion and peel it off like a sock

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the only foods i'll chop onions for are like guacamole and umm

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tzatsiki? does that even have onions?

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no

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it has garlic

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I can't think of any good meal that doesn't involve onions

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:45 PM

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onions are great

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:46 PM

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onions are great

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:46 PM

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they're bad for your stomach

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:46 PM

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are they?

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that doesn't sound right to me

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 1:46 PM

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well for mine at least

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:46 PM

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that's fair

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truly a terrible situation to be in

sand goblet Jun 20, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Big fan of both onions and garlic

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I'm sorry for your onion loss

sand goblet Jun 20, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Sometimes I even put them in the same dish!

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:47 PM

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can't put garlic in a sandwhich

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or at least - it sounds like a bad idea

sand goblet Jun 20, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Sure you can

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Have you never had a tikka sandwich?

wheat lynx Jun 20, 2020, 1:47 PM

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What about garlic bread?

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That's pretty much the same thing

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Well it isn't, but still

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:48 PM

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it's the cooking that seems important to me

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and garlic bread is usually cooked/hot

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can't just have a cheese and garlic sandwhich

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I think

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maybe i should try it...

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i haven't had a chicken tikka sandwich - no

wheat lynx Jun 20, 2020, 1:49 PM

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You can have garlic + herb dips, and I guess they wouldn't be cooked

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:49 PM

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that's true

sand goblet Jun 20, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Garlic butter is nice for making a grilled cheese

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 1:52 PM

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honestly - I have yet to find a thing for which garlic butter isn't nice for

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cakes I guess

sand goblet Jun 20, 2020, 2:03 PM

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I mean on the outside

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As the frying fat

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:05 PM

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did someone say free

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free as in freedom

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free as in bald eagles

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why are they considered bald

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when they have feathers

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:32 PM

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this guy has his stuff together

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t2X-kMhPIA

YouTube

TechLead

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▶ Play video

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I'm glad I came across his videos on my YT feed

topaz aurora Jun 20, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Personally I have some gripes with ex-Google, ex-Facebook, TechLead

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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how come Momo

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he reminds me of someone I used to know.. who's wife also left him and was a senior tech lead

topaz aurora Jun 20, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Silencing a smaller YouTuber and being involved in doxxing them just cause he didn't like the criticism

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 2:38 PM

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ahh.. let me look that up

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lot of internet history to unpack here

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I never knew YT had to release names in case of copyright strikes

#

guy1 made some video criticizing Matt Tran and TechLead, anonymously

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TechLead copyrighted him to get his names, shares it with Matt Tran.. Matt Tran doxxes him and admits it

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Seems Matt Tran reached out to Tren, the university student, to remove the video first..

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now I need to see what sort of criticism he shared.. doxxing is illegal afaik, wowow

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seems like a non starter.. issue happened late April, didn't go anywhere and they're still going back and forth

urban night Jun 20, 2020, 3:39 PM

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📎 IMG_20200620_182853.jpg

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Any help

high verge Jun 20, 2020, 3:46 PM

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and then nothing?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Does the recources page have anything about Collections?

high verge Jun 20, 2020, 3:59 PM

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well

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!resources

royal lakeBOT Jun 20, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

ebon condor Jun 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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is anyone here going to be celebrating litha this weekend?

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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what's litha

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I mean I probably am but I don't know what "litha" is

#

Germanic neopagans call their summer solstice festival Litha interesting

ebon condor Jun 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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ye that

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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i'm just doing regular midsummer

ebon condor Jun 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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here a lil info sheet with food and info

📎 unknown-93.png

royal laurel Jun 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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i would but my parents are from, well, a catholic cult

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they'd probably exorcise me

ebon condor Jun 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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just be subtle? i managed to convince my mom tarot isnt bs

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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is the summer solstice the same as the longest day of the year?

ebon condor Jun 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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ye

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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thank god

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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the summer solstice is yes

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but the celebrations don't always hit that day

undone berry Jun 20, 2020, 5:45 PM

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really? That seems weird

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or is it a nearest weekend type thing?

ebon condor Jun 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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well if i celebrate for a few days ill be right eventually

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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@undone berry yes

ebon condor Jun 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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a lot of people i hang out with are celebrating it rn

leaden shuttle Jun 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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@rough sapphire the guy is an imposterous prick

pliant pine Jun 20, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Thanks man @wheat lynx

loud basalt Jun 20, 2020, 6:45 PM

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help my wall is pecking my bird

wheat lynx Jun 20, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Thanks man @wheat lynx
No problem, feel free to contact @polar knoll or ping mods in the future if people are being a pain.

pliant pine Jun 20, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Cool

stuck meteor Jun 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

#

import socket

def receive_message(conn, client_addr):
    while True:
        msg = conn.recv(4096)
        print('[%s] %s' % (client_addr[0], msg.decode()))
        
def server(addr, backlog=1):
    try:
        s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)
        s.bind(addr)
        s.listen(backlog)
        print('[+] Server initialized - Waiting for connections...')
    except socket.error as error:
        print(error)
        server(addr, backlog=1)

    conn, client_addr = s.accept()
    print(f"Connection to the server - Client establised: {client_addr}")
    receive_message(conn, client_addr)

if __name__ == '__main__':
    server(('141.255.152.173', 30005))
``` this is working on my pc but not on python repl, but was working before

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how is that possible lmao

high verge Jun 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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not on python repl?

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like an online thing?

stuck meteor Jun 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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yeah

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to simulate another pc

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because i wanna keep this server online and connect many clients to it

high verge Jun 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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they probably won't allow that cause then people would just use their service as a webhosting provider

stuck meteor Jun 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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before i was running the server on the repl and sending messages through client.py (on my pc)

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and was working

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very odd

#

📎 unknown.png

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it is running now, ive used socket.gethostname()

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let me try to connect from my pc

high verge Jun 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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huh it does work

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that's interesting

stuck meteor Jun 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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Uhm, im trying to connect to that server with client but doesnt work

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is there a reason why thats not working? lol

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i'm sorry, what?

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high verge Jun 20, 2020, 8:04 PM

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what if it's trying to avoid reading that file

royal laurel Jun 20, 2020, 8:08 PM

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failed task completed successfully

rough sapphire Jun 20, 2020, 8:16 PM

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it successfully didn't read the file

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for security purposes

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make sure it wasn't run with sudo yaknow

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it's a systemd unit which is supposed to run as root, though

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some dev probaly just told it to log that, for this reason

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just to mess with people

high verge Jun 20, 2020, 11:40 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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guardian getting a bit unsubtle with the marketing

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it used to be 'we're good at being a newspaper give us a quid'

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and now it's 'if you dislike boris johnson give us a quid;

sullen thorn Jun 20, 2020, 11:56 PM

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eh they put it at the bottom of the article, so i'm ok with it lol

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also they're not wrong

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(at least the first paragraph)

pine vector Jun 20, 2020, 11:56 PM

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yeah, as journalists you'd expect With those in power failing us.. and without political and commercial bias not to occur in the same place. 😄

sullen thorn Jun 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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You guys ever been given credit in a project you didn’t work on?

warm widget Jun 21, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Once.

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To be fair, I literally did the entire proj by myself, but someone else did a shitter version and got their own chosen instead of mine.

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Didn't complain, free total.

sullen thorn Jun 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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lmao

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 7:09 AM

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@leaden shuttle naa

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I don't believe in cancelling people who I disagree with. That's for people who can't control their emotions

leaden shuttle Jun 21, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Are you referring to TechLead that actually did that? Or are you saying that I am cancelling him because I said he was an imposter?

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 12:30 PM

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why do you say he's an imposter

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I mean, it's pretty hard to clear interviews and work at one of these companies.. guy has an ego problem, but I'm only impressed by his skills.. not his life

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I thought you wanted me to dismiss him completely because of his short comings, which is cancelling someone.. and that I didn't want to do

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 1:09 PM

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right area, right university, enough practice on leetcode

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that's pretty much it

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 2:56 PM

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is there anyone you look up to?

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like.. I see all these statues coming down and I'm wondering if these people actually mean well or just taking out their frustrations on the world

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there are less skilled people at fang, that's a given.. a lot of them complain there are less skilled people around.. I've also met sr devs who don't see the point of working when they make more in stock than they do in hours

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but that doesn't change the fact they're still hard to get in to.. some times luck, mostly talent

tight coral Jun 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I'm looking Profile-Guided Optimization (PGO) and it's very interesting

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:34 PM

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it kinda does

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well i don't know leetcode that well but the algorithm questions are not easy

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fake news?

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what

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i've failed a couple of job interviews miserably because they've thrown algorithm questions at me.

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:42 PM

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If you can just get the basics down with a dsalg book/course, then practice for an hour a day, it doesn't take too long to get up to scratch

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:42 PM

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the last time i was thrown some pretty involved dynamic programming question

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didn't even know it required dynamic programming

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Yeah. That's part of what you learn with the practice

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Learning to get at the algorithm behind the question

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I used to be alright. Now I've just forgotten everything

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:44 PM

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but most of the time you honestly don't need to know that stuff when you're working

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it really depends on the placement but

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Yeah. It comes up very rarely from what I understand. Some people disagree and say it's vital

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:45 PM

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probably depends on the thing you're doing

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might be something that when you don't know what you're missing, you don't see it as important

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Yeah. That's very true

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:46 PM

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how to make a php login system

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Understanding core data structures is obviously important. Lists and hash maps and their operations. Stacks and queues and their uses

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:49 PM

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there was a live programming session with one guy who wanted me to solve "how do you write the algorithm for detecting whether the game of battleships is over"

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or whether you've sunk the ships or something

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fucking nightmare

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 3:49 PM

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i don't even know the rules of battleships

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Surely that's just iteration over a matrix?

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:50 PM

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there was some very annoying bullshit about it

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like you had to make sure whether the ship you hit was even in a legal position or something

pine vector Jun 21, 2020, 3:50 PM

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lol.

Step 1: search SO
Step 2: implement SO solution

no job for me...

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:50 PM

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and the ships were not of the "traditional" kind - they could be 2x wide

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i told the guy when we started that i dislike this question because i'm bad at this kind of problem solving.

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he was not impressed.

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 3:51 PM

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what kind of company was it for

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:51 PM

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i don't remember

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the problem isn't probably hard if there is any algorithms knowledge behind you and you've done any of those things ever

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but to me it just felt like "this is the worst bullshit I have ever had to face" when i literally hadn't ever done anything like that

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I feel like I'm very good at spinning the right kind of bs for interviews. Last one I did required some simple data analysis and a recommendation, but I was ill so I couldn't think straight and just chatted nonsense for 20m

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Just ended up nodding along with what the interviewer suggested, with him essentially answering the question. Somehow it worked though

pine vector Jun 21, 2020, 3:54 PM

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buzzword it. "First, i'd execute a breadth-first on the legal position LUT. Then, if that passes, I'd execute an A* search for the hit position against the ship locations LUT".

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:54 PM

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🧠

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@pine vector except they put me on screenshare and we were writing code

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😅

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 3:55 PM

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just start pasting random hacker stock photos into a word document

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:56 PM

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That's why practice on leetcode stuff is worthwhile. If you can at least poke the code in the right direction without google, it looks much better

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and solving dsalg problems is very different to normal programming

pine vector Jun 21, 2020, 3:56 PM

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@rough sapphire hehe. yeah, at that point i'd probably be like "Y'all hiring in the mail room?"

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:56 PM

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lol

pine vector Jun 21, 2020, 3:57 PM

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or, just start typing import blockchain and wait for the giggles...

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:58 PM

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there have been very successful tech interviews too. those have usually involved doing some practical stuff.

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 3:58 PM

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just throw in as many buzzwords as you can think of. Using the blockchain oriented GANN deployed as a distibuted system, we can scan the board to detect sunk ships...

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 3:59 PM

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... do you want to work for a company that falls for that?

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I like money - so yes

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 4:00 PM

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being employed is better than not employed

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but to go to switch to something like that, no thanks

pine vector Jun 21, 2020, 4:01 PM

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in seriousness, i'd likely just be flat out honest: algorithms are a large weak point for me. i have a basic understanding of their application, and some terminology. if provided the opportunity and the necessity, i'm confident this weak point can be addressed. thank you for your time, have a pleasant day. <ends call>

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 4:02 PM

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that's what I've kinda been doing. telling them that I'll design you systems etc

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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does leetcode have different max times for different languages

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I think so, yeah

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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hmm ok

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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fwiw - by Leetcode, I don't actually just mean Leetcode. There's tonnes of sites like that

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CodeSignal is by far the best I think

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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ok

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cause i have an 'Easy' one that I can't avoid a timeout on one testcase for

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:04 PM

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For leetcode, that probably means your time complexity is bad

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:04 PM

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ye, your algo is bad then

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:05 PM

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there's a chance the same code would pass in C++, but it can definitely be improved in Python

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:05 PM

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ok

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i am awful at algorithm design

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:05 PM

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you just need to practice

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:05 PM

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graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I think in leetcode, time complexity will kill you regardless of language

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:05 PM

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is it just 'use map' or something

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:05 PM

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just link the problem and paste the code

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that screenshot is rubbish to read

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:06 PM

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ye, that is not optimal, and so will not pass afaik

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:06 PM

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ok but i can't see how it could be less

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well

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it's O(n^2) right now right?

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:06 PM

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yeah

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:06 PM

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i can't see how you could have a non O(n^2) solution given that you need to consider all combinations

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 4:08 PM

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not necessarily

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there might be some magic

craggy knoll Jun 21, 2020, 4:08 PM

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perhaps a divide and conquer algorithm could work

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im not sure exactly how though

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 4:08 PM

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sorting in general is O (n log n)

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:08 PM

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you could do it in n log n

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sort it, then do n binary searches

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:08 PM

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what

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is this 'use the magically faster python methods'

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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@high verge sorting is faster than O(n^2)

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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sort it. Then for each number in the list, do a binary search checking to see if the other number is in the list

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that made no sense

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it does in my head

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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i think it does

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so it's faster because it's the same list twice

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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import antigenicity]

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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sort the list. Then each number in the list has a potential partner, search the list for the potential partner

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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so sorting it only has to happen once

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:09 PM

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that's n log n

craggy knoll Jun 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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yeah you could sort it first, then only consider the numbers strictly less than the target

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but that would still be worst case n^2

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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you do not need the binary search actually from what I can tell. My solution passed with just regular linear probe

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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hm - I can't see how you can beat n log n

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can you dm me your solution?

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:11 PM

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but isn't 'searching the list' another * n

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:11 PM

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not if it's sorted

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:11 PM

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ohhh

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:11 PM

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then it becomes log n

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:12 PM

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and also because in mine, the inner for loop will use all elements except in the final one

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:12 PM

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oh - turning the list into a set

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that's the actual way

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if the target value is n
Turn the list into a set
For each number x in the set, check if x-n is in the set

pine vector Jun 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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hehe. i was thinking that the whole time. but, i love sets...

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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finna made a program that tells me the percentage of the population infected for each country by the COVID-19.
but now i want to do much more
like make a graph and send me the data everyday via email or whatssapp

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cuz it changes every day

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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|| nums_ = Counter(nums) while nums: n = nums.pop() nums_[n] -= 1 idx = len(nums) if nums_.get(target - n, 0) > 0: return nums.index(target - n), idx|| should be in theory O(n), though not sure why I decided to go with pop() when I first wrote it

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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that does not seem like the cleanest way to write that code

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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ye, I am not too sure why I decided to do it this way

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old code

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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It's O(N) though which is what matters

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:20 PM

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ah, I remember now. duplicate numbers. The set solution would possibly fail on [3,5,1] when the goal is 6, because target - 3 is in the set, and it would return 0, 0 which is incorrect

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 4:20 PM

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O(-n)

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actually

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'find the first (x)'

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what would that be

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 4:21 PM

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so I went destructively backwards to prevent number reuse

obtuse falcon Jun 21, 2020, 6:37 PM

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what there are talking about in #python-discussion

wheat lynx Jun 21, 2020, 6:39 PM

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What are people taking about? Probably Python

obtuse falcon Jun 21, 2020, 6:41 PM

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ı am new they are using terms that are ununderstandable by me

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!paste

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 6:47 PM

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gotta hate those websites that add them selves to the history 15 times so when you try to go back it doesn't do anything.

obtuse falcon Jun 21, 2020, 6:47 PM

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to exit them gotto clik faster tham sonic

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 6:48 PM

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hold back

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atleast on firefox

obtuse falcon Jun 21, 2020, 6:49 PM

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waht

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 6:49 PM

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hold the back button

obtuse falcon Jun 21, 2020, 6:49 PM

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oh okah

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do you suggestion for me i started todyt

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 6:49 PM

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python?

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fizzbuzz

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print 1 to 100, for every number divisible by 5 print fizz for every number divisible by 7 print buzz, for everything divisible by both print fizzbuzz

obtuse falcon Jun 21, 2020, 6:51 PM

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i wiil do that

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thx

deep drum Jun 21, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Can a O(1) implementation be a worse choice than O(n)?

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 7:31 PM

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yes, when the input size is small

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 7:35 PM

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@deep drum if the constant is for instance "this will take longer than the whole time the universe has existed" then yes

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then your n would have to be pretty darn huge for it to be worse than that

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but theoretically at some point your n will be large enough so...

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 7:41 PM

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time complexity is only meaningful for large sizes

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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hashing is an example where that might be the case. Searching a tiny list is possibly faster than hashing something in a dictionary

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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or sorting

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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the operation could literally be anything when talking about time complexity though.

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😽 💤 time to go to sleep now

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:08 PM

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time to make a hot chocolate

leaden shuttle Jun 21, 2020, 8:28 PM

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😋

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:28 PM

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happy father's day :D

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Hot chocolate is grim

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 8:30 PM

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hot chocolate is awesome

undone berry Jun 21, 2020, 8:30 PM

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I used to love it

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Now I just cant drink it

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:32 PM

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hot chocolate i feel is only good in the winter

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i cant drink it in any other season or else it feels wrong

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:36 PM

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hot chocolate is meh

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it's good the first few sips but beyond that is just tastes like liquified chocolate

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:41 PM

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yea

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:41 PM

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but if you push marshmallows in it

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it's good

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or at least the marshmallows are

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:43 PM

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yea, but if there are too many its really sweet and weird

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too many marshmallows at least

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:43 PM

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true

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Any way to get this free

📎 unknown.png

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Unless you want to get it illegaly, no

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:48 PM

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xD

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damnit

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Or at least I don't think so

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:52 PM

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i found some good ones tho

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📎 416751.png

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:52 PM

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what do you need them for?

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actually, nevermind

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

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my bot

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

#

oh

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

#

@halcyon mantle https://fontawesome.com/icons?d=gallery&q=gas doesn't work for you?

Font Awesome

The world’s most popular and easiest to use icon set just got an upgrade. More icons. More styles. More Options.

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:55 PM

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oooo, I might check that out

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I'm not making a website

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:56 PM

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...

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 8:56 PM

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@halcyon mantle What are you doing, then?

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I just said lol

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:57 PM

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a robot? or something else

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:57 PM

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.....

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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uh oh

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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my bot

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Discord bot?

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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yes

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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I don't see why you couldn't use FontAwesome if that's the case

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They're just .svg files

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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they're pretty ugly

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 8:59 PM

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I disagree, but alright.

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 8:59 PM

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have you not seen https://flaticon.com

Flaticon

Flaticon, the largest database of free vector icons

Download all icons in SVG, PSD, PNG, EPS format or as webfonts

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 8:59 PM

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oooh, i didnt know the first picture wasnt real

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that clears stuff up

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 8:59 PM

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the more icon websites you guys send, the more I save as bookmarks

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keep this up

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:02 PM

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the one i sent is all u need ;)

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they have packs too

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:02 PM

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I might use them for some UI or something

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:03 PM

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my favourite author is dinolabs

dusk cedar Jun 21, 2020, 9:03 PM

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@halcyon mantle oh my gosh this is an amazing site, thank you

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:03 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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@dusk cedar no problem my dude

leaden shuttle Jun 21, 2020, 9:04 PM

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@halcyon mantle https://www.flaticon.com/authors/dinolabs not found

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:04 PM

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dinosoftlabs

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my bad

leaden shuttle Jun 21, 2020, 9:04 PM

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thanks

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

https://www.flaticon.com/authors/dinosoft/flat

Flaticon

Dinosoft Icon Style / Flat - 8,679 vector icons available in SVG, E...

Discover these free vector icons available in SVG, PSD, PNG, EPS format or as ICON FONT | 8,679 icons - Dinosoft / Flat

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

that's fire

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:06 PM

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owo

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Household devices and appliances https://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/cctv_1869650

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:07 PM

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people have security camera in their house

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:07 PM

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CCTV cameras?

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:08 PM

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there are some really paranoid people out there

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:08 PM

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you should take a look at the anti-racism icons

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they're hardly anti

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I'm good

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Ok

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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flaticon ones can be a bit ugly

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more mixed than other sites

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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We have multiple cameras in our house

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well, by multiple I mean two

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one on the driveway

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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me too

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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and the other one is pointed at the water pressure guage

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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also not free without attribution

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which is a bit of a major issue in a discord bot it seems

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:12 PM

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i never attribute lmao

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 9:12 PM

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cool

#

but you want people to not steal your open source stuff

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Would be a stretch to call this paranoia I think :>

📎 Screenshot_20200621-221212.jpg

high verge Jun 21, 2020, 9:12 PM

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turn off your water pressure

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turn off your driveway

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:13 PM

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why do you need to check the water pressure?

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:13 PM

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@high verge everything of mine is open source

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:13 PM

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We were having issues with it

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the guage is hard to get to

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:13 PM

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makes sense

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:13 PM

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we just had some work done after a pressure valve failed outside and fired water down the garden

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:13 PM

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also nice driveway

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:13 PM

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thenks

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:14 PM

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how do you steal open source stuff

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@high verge

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:14 PM

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you go to the source code

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and you go gimme gimme

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:14 PM

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then it's not stealing

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:14 PM

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you steal it by not following the license

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:15 PM

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nobody pays attention to licenses tbh

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:15 PM

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that's not true

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Yes they do... 🤨

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:15 PM

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yeah they do

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:15 PM

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People who don't pay attention to licenses are people who make poor decisions

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:15 PM

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a lot of people don't

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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if you violate my licenses I will violate you..r github account with a dmca notice

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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you won't

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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damn

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Github receives DMCA notices all the time

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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yeah it's a pretty common thing

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I don't know why you wouldn't follow a license

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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downloading code isn't a violation

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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tbf, that depends on the license

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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neither is an image

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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if you don't follow the license then it is

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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not really

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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@halcyon mantle it's not about you using the code, it's more HOW you use it

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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you can download stuff without knowledge

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

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downloading pretty much anything is fine. Using it is another matter

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I wanna address what you said because it's a common falsehood among pirates

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:18 PM

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of downloading it

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my browser has probably downloaded it, so you are wrong @rough sapphire

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:18 PM

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well, there are cases where you are not allowed to see the data at all

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such as movies

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:18 PM

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it's commonly used when people talk about streaming stuff, people claim that it's OK to stream things from unlicensed sources - the european courts have proven that isn't the case

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:18 PM

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@halcyon mantle

downloading code isn't a violation
neither is an image
Depending on the code it very well could be

sand goblet Jun 21, 2020, 9:18 PM

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but yeah it absolutely could be a violation

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of course, it wouldn't be considered open source then, but

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Image-wise, moreso even.

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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if the website you dl it from has it legally, you can download it generally, because well, you need to download to see it

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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well i've downloaded over a 1000 icons from flaticon, feel free to sue me xD

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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@halcyon mantle look we aren't against you, we are trying not to get you in trouble

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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@halcyon mantle I imagine those are free icons, or icons that require attribution?

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:20 PM

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some do some don't

tight meadow Jun 21, 2020, 9:20 PM

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if you want to go against the licensing of free assets go ahead, just understand that you will get in trouble

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people do pay attention

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Then what's the issue with attribution to the original creator?

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:20 PM

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all i know is there is a convenient X button

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no but i cba to attribute for every fucking icon

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:21 PM

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if you intend to use these icons, make sure you have the license to do so.

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if you just want them on your PC, there is not much to worry about, but do not screw around with licenses

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:23 PM

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It doesn't make much sense to expect others to follow the licenses for your own code, but disregard others.

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:23 PM

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i never said that i have a license?

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what are you talking about

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:24 PM

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what do you even want to do with the icons?

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:24 PM

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not much

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:25 PM

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@halcyon mantle

i never said that i have a license?
You did though. You said you have open source code. Which, by definition means it would have to be licensed as such: https://opensource.org/licenses

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:25 PM

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they are cool

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Open source is not the same as source available

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:25 PM

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@rough sapphire there's no license file and i really couldn't care if anybody did use my code

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:26 PM

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you should obtain a license with everything, otherwise it defaults to ARR (depends on country)afaik

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:26 PM

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what is ARR

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:26 PM

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you cannot do anything essentially

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:26 PM

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why would i upload my source code to github if i didn't want people to see it?

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:27 PM

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convenience, for the longest time private repos were not free

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though you should really have a license in your GH repo

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it is considered bad form to not have one

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ye, for those it is fine

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:28 PM

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meh... i don't see myself getting sued for using the icons in my bot embed.. i'll be fine

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and in my eyes.. code is more valuable than an image

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@rough sapphire That makes sense, but legally speaking if someone comes in and uses code from one of your public repos and you haven't licensed it, and it becomes a big project, that causes issues.

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@halcyon mantle this

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Mind you, I'm not a lawyer. If you have questions about this kind of stuff, ask someone who is a laywer, and who's well versed in it.

graceful basin Jun 21, 2020, 9:31 PM

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as someone who can write code and not make images, images are much more valuable to me

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Yeah because you can't make them

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But how much help, and tools do you get given to you when making an image

rough sapphire Jun 21, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Apply your logic about images to user interfaces

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Does it change?

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What about CPUs, or architecture?

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That's pretty much their argument, yeah. They don't believe in attribution to the original creator(s).

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Anyway, I've got a few things to do. So I'm going to go AFK

halcyon mantle Jun 21, 2020, 9:35 PM

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if it was easy, i would

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but doing it for every icon

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no chance

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👌

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