No
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
plucky ridge
rough sapphire
What, no.
plucky ridge
No you are not "technically allowed to bypass the ban morally". That's not how that works in the slightest.
rough sapphire
I didn't deserve the infraction, and IP bans are dumb...
plucky ridge
So? You think bypassing it is the right option? It's not
gentle moss
all ip addresses are public except those specified in RFC1918
plucky ridge
You talk with the admins that got you banned
rough sapphire
But what if my account wasn't the one banned?
gentle moss
tough shit.
plucky ridge
Then you, again, talk with admins and get it rectified
rough sapphire
then say "you ip banned this person, I am not that person"
gentle moss
"sorry, it wasn't me. the dog did it."
plucky ridge
You don't say "well I can break the rules because I wasn't the one who broke them originally."
That's stupid
rough sapphire
But then they can't lift the ban unless they unban the IP.
high verge
i mean wouldn't you change your ip
cause they're very unlikely to respond and say 'oh yeah sure'
plucky ridge
Well as an admin of this server, the idea of ban evasion (even from an accidental ban) pisses me right off
rough sapphire
And I'm like searching on Google daily my ip in hopes I got a new IP somehow.
Sorry
plucky ridge
Because I prefer to go through proper channels
gentle moss
can't hurt to try
high verge
yeah
rough sapphire
try it, if they say no, your justified
plucky ridge
I mean how can I realistically answer that in a way that isn't going to be hyperbolic.
high verge
i have no idea
warm widget
I remember getting ip banned cuz somehow, idk how, the actual person to be banned had the same ip as me 
plucky ridge
If you assume that the system is not going to work, then why even have the system
You can't break the rules just because they occasionally mess things up.
gentle moss
IPs are allocated by pool
if an IP isn't assigned it goes back into a pool
IPs can be reused
high verge
why wouldn't all the people who are actually causing issues just get a new ip
aside from you telling them they shouldn't
plucky ridge
I'm saying specifically for the intent of ban evasion, it's shitty
warm widget
Aren't ip address's running out?
gentle moss
yes and no
rough sapphire
IP bans are a shit thing and get over it it's bad practice, if the offender will want to come back he will with a VPN, literally VPNs are free now.
gentle moss
praise be the NAT
warm widget
Like i've seen multiple ppl with the exact same ip address multiple times.
gentle moss
IP banning is a perfectly acceptable practice
rough sapphire
No
rough sapphire
Like
high verge
right but
gentle moss
this aint my first goat fuck
honest star
I've been an admin of game servers and we've definitely overturned IP bans if it was a "hey my roommate's an asshole, I'm sorry, I'd still like the play though" type of situation and was sincere and genuine.
high verge
who will it stop
gentle moss
IP bans should be time limited
high verge
i mean on a serious level
warm widget
^
rough sapphire
Why do I have to sit in the darkness when I wasn't the one that got banned...
plucky ridge
So what's the solution then? Let people just do what they want? As you said, people are going to find ways to avoid it anyway
plucky ridge
Let's just have anarchy in the streets
warm widget
Already have that m8.
gentle moss
what you even get banned from?
high verge
my point is that people are going to evade ip bans
even if you tell them nicely not to
warm widget
^
gentle moss
that altfinder bot service or w/e?
plucky ridge
I'm not denying that it's going to happen.
gentle moss
i find that kind of funny
plucky ridge
I'm saying that it's shitty
warm widget
Evading ip bans has become easier and easier over the years.
plucky ridge
That's my entire stance
high verge
right
rough sapphire
@warm widget Considering this is a public server, what are you recommending as a fix?
plucky ridge
Again, if you have a ban that hit you that wasn't your fault, you go through the proper channels
high verge
this is more in general afaik rather than to this specific server
plucky ridge
If you don't want to wait? Boo fucking hoo
high verge
yeah well that's the thing
rough sapphire
@warm widget Wanna recreate this sometime... ๐ ๐ It's still funny to me when I look at it.
high verge
people like you make people change ips
and they don't really care that it makes you a bit sad
so hence it disproportionately affects people that don't want to be assholes
high verge
cool
plucky ridge
I am not at their computer forcing their ISP to refresh their IP so they can get back into the game. I'm not forcing them to get out. In the scenario described, I'm trying to take care of a problematic user with the tools at my disposal
warm widget
Hmm, When i played cod back in the day, Player's were banned based on their computer's guid. Now back then that shit wasn't evadable as it couldn't be changed. I highly doubt they can do those things nowadays though. Therefore, as much as ip bans are easily evadable, it's still better than nothing.
plucky ridge
And yes, while it may seem unfair, there are ways to correct it
rough sapphire
Just ban the account lol.
high verge
yeah but idk what point there is in 'getting annoyed', like i understand it but it doesn't make a difference to the actual situation
plucky ridge
Well let's take discord as an example
rough sapphire
I think IP bans are for after they switch to an alt acc from a normal ban
plucky ridge
An account ban IS an IP ban
high verge
where the problematic users would be evading, and non problematic users wouldn't be evading
rough sapphire
Which is bad...
Why?
Because if I can't access that server (I as the user who didn't deserve the ban), the server doesn't have any outside contacts it's just there.
And I can't access it...
warm widget
hM
plucky ridge
You live your life as you see fit
gentle moss
to be fair it looked like you were trying to access a service that specialises in detecting alt accounts on discord
plucky ridge
You guys asked me to extrapolate, I did so
gentle moss
if i read your screenshot correctly
rough sapphire
Yeah because I was accessing a server that had AltIdentifier.
warm widget
wait is this all about that ss of the vpn thing
plucky ridge
The who in the what now?
warm widget
plucky ridge
Ooo that's neat
rough sapphire
My IP is considered as spam IP. ๐ 
warm widget
I wonder how those vpn detectors really work
plucky ridge
Likely has a list of common VPN nodes
warm widget
Hmm that'd make sense.
warm widget
So you're not using a vpn
rough sapphire
I think it might be because my IPs geolocation doesn't match up with my router's region??
It might be it??
plucky ridge
Unlikely
gentle moss
E-Mail: contact@altdentifier.com
Twitter: @altdentifier
rough sapphire
yeah doesn't work like that usually
rough sapphire
Lol ok
plucky ridge
We're serious
rough sapphire
"Tell them your story."
gentle moss
well yeah?
plucky ridge
They need to know when this kind of stuff happens to help fix it and prevent false positives
rough sapphire
No I am too...
plucky ridge
You can't expect a system to work flawlessly without input from users
rough sapphire
I am confused as to why am I using a "VPN" but sure let me slide in their inbox.
plucky ridge
They should be able to help you troubleshoot it and figure it out
warm widget
Try putting on a vpn and see if that works ๐คฃ
rough sapphire
LOL
soft violet
Right. That'd be the simplest explanation.
rough sapphire
Right I'll just go email em'.
plucky ridge
Kind of wish more things were based on MAC address but I know that's just as much of a dead end
soft violet
Or known ips of vpns.
plucky ridge
Since they're easily spoofed
gentle moss
i mean i banned like fucking 75% of the planet from accessing my quake server
rough sapphire
Yikes
gentle moss
it was a european / US community. why would i want traffic from any of the other large IP blocks?
soft violet
International concord?
gentle moss
oh, australia was another exception. ozzies do like quake
warm widget
Why'd you ban 75% of the world?
plucky ridge
Their ping must have been painful
rough sapphire
yeah but as a user i don't want the ad-tracker "device ID" type thing
lofty dirge
There are services that sign up for popular VPN services, then get IPs of all their exit nodes
rough sapphire
I wished you could manage IP bans and account bans on Discord separately, would be amazing. ๐
gentle moss
because why let anyone try to throw traffic at my server that isn't in the community the server is meant for?
rough sapphire
Yes
plucky ridge
Yep
lofty dirge
like they let admins have control over it?
lofty dirge
got it
warm widget
hmmm
rough sapphire
When you ban someone from a server their account + IP they're currently using gets banned from accessing that server.
plucky ridge
On caveat with that
soft violet
How long does the ip stay banned for?
plucky ridge
If a user has a main and an alt on a server and only one gets banned, then the other one that's still in there does get to stay
rough sapphire
Until the ban is lifted.
lofty dirge
I assume they have some system that tries to identify shared IPs
plucky ridge
Just means any new ones that attempt to join don't get in
lofty dirge
like Universities
plucky ridge
They'd have to
soft violet
Ips are shared. So keeping an ip ban in place indefinitely is often a bad approach
plucky ridge
I don't disagree, but it's out of our hands serverside
soft violet
I die a little inside when I see people going "IP BAN PLS!" as if it was some magic bullet.
Not here.
sand goblet
It has its uses.
soft violet
It's fine if they understand what they're asking.
rough sapphire
Hi
soft violet
and why it would be appropriate in a given situation
plucky ridge
Would be less of an issue if everywhere adopted IPv6
Would give us more granularity
lofty dirge
Mr. Hemlock, just do /64 bans
gentle moss
back in the old days when Uni students had the best internet there were banning problems
lofty dirge
effectively same
rough sapphire
Ban me daddy~
gentle moss
since it was just like a T1 line for a whole block of students
lofty dirge
I remember when my university got upgrade to 100Mbps, it was rocking
lofty dirge
wife university had 1Gbps which was awesome
gentle moss
remember playing some CS1.6 on fun maps hosted in Teeside
lofty dirge
now I have 1Gbps at my home
gentle moss
dumb admin banned someone in their halls without thinking
knocked out 80% of the server
rough sapphire
except me
I'm still using 100 MBs which barely get upto 80 MBs...
#BadNetworkGang
sand goblet
oh it's someone putting on a pair of tights
cosmic lotus
20MBps ๐ญ
sand goblet
that's an odd thing to have in an avatar
gentle moss
bit or byte?
rough sapphire
that's what is known as 100Mbs*
gentle moss
also, expecting your full speed all the time is something you should stop doing
DSLAM network contention ratios are a thing
cosmic lotus
When will she stop putting on leggings its been days now please i want it to end
rough sapphire
I thought you weren't commenting on my profile picture, I hope it's at least appropriate for this server...
what anime shows a school girl getting dressed?
sand goblet
probably quite a lot of them
rough sapphire
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
gentle moss
uuhhh
sand goblet
it's a trope
rough sapphire
People love to see them socks getting woren on.
lofty dirge
something something beach
sand goblet
Oh, I guess it is ecchi, yeah
rough sapphire
There was no discussion, now send me ecchi.
gentle moss
๐
sand goblet
I've seen worse avatars.
rough sapphire
please note None is 15
rough sapphire
@sand goblet @gentle moss so is this like a serious cartoon or just a means to an end?
gentle moss
what, the one i posted?
rough sapphire
nah the ecchi thing
high verge
or at least someone in a school uniform
plucky ridge
Bisk only watches MANime
high verge
LANime
rough sapphire
otn bisk watches MANime
cosmic lotus
MY MAN
rough sapphire
@sand goblet Y-You You've what...
rough sapphire
You think an anime girl wearing on socks is a bad concept?
cosmic lotus
do we have canime?
sand goblet
just saying, there are worse avatars you could have than a gif of someone putting on tights
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire I think the one of her getting dressed is fairly inappropriate
cosmic lotus
its just canned goods
rough sapphire
C'mon man, who doesn't love socks...
plucky ridge
And may explain why girls don't want to talk to you
rough sapphire
Lol
cosmic lotus
lmao
plucky ridge
Because let's be honest, that's creepy
rough sapphire
i remember years ago syfy back when it was called scifi channel would put on late night anime films/series
gentle moss
so glad i'm only just now finding out about this because of compact mode
cosmic lotus
syfy has what?
high verge
i mean watching someone get dressed is
plucky ridge
I love that they got sued for that
rough sapphire
Can you be my dad cause like I need life tips man I don't have a father.
plucky ridge
It's so weird
topaz aurora
worse avatars
I have a strong distaste against the more explicit ones
gentle moss
but i found none's use of the phrase "daddy" urrrrrrrrg on more than one occasion
high verge
well it's a strange one
cosmic lotus
yooo Dadless gang?
rough sapphire
@gentle moss it's interesting if you think about "baby" in that context
high verge
again with the chloroformed child emoji
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge who got sued?
rough sapphire
Daddy @gentle mosss beard is so cute. ๐ ๐ ๐ฅบ
plucky ridge
Sci-fi was forced to change their name to SyFy
median domeBOT
Daddy @gentle mosss beawd is so cute. ๐ ๐ ๐ฅบ
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire And you've already been told not to do that shit here
graceful basin
huh, the bot pings. Does that bot have perms for @ everyone?
rough sapphire
I'm too comfortable here...
plucky ridge
Know your audience
gentle moss
not having any decorum is not "comfortable"
cosmic lotus
whoops
rough sapphire
huh, the bot pings. Does that bot have perms for @ everyone?
@graceful basin only one way to find out, mate
I wished this chat wasn't so serious.
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Well I think I can give you a tip for free on this one. Having your internet visual representation of yourself as an underaged girl getting dressed is unlikely to win you any points when talking to girls. It's pretty damn creepy
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge How do you know if she's underage
i will never understand loli weebs
plucky ridge
School girl
rough sapphire
And?
plucky ridge
Seriously
plucky ridge
Do you really think it matters age wise?
rough sapphire
Lol fine idk what else to put on then.
Give me profile pictures...
@rough sapphire i'm not good with weeb terms. loli is school girl stuff?
i think loli just means underage
rough sapphire
No
It's just an underage girl.
bbc did a documentary on that, it's a pretty widespread culture problem in japan
and creepy
graceful basin
AFAIK, the term comes from the book lolita
rough sapphire
Loli - Underage girl
Shota - Underage boy
@rough sapphire you should educate yourself a bit
soft violet
Iroh.
rough sapphire
plucky ridge
Yes, and the terms are frequently used in erotic material.
So the association is always going to lend itself to that
rough sapphire
I'm not even interested into anime I just find female characters well, beautiful.
It denotes a genre of manga and anime in which young female characters are shown in a sexual way. The word is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book, Lolita. In the book, a middle-aged man sexually desires a 12-year-old girl.
Yikes
cosmic lotus
Not a good thing to associate with
graceful basin
yeah, it very much means sexual stuff
rough sapphire
Pedophile's diary or something...
this topic is going nowhere good, can we change it?
rough sapphire
Use PyQt5.
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Not helpful
rough sapphire
What do you mean.
plucky ridge
I have the GUI working fine, I just need to figure out how to add a repeating check
rough sapphire
Oh
cosmic lotus
Like a timeout function?
soft violet
Eat the check. Burp. Repeating check.
cosmic lotus
So i'd assume there's no running loop of some sort here
plucky ridge
No, more like.... So the program is for picking a database from a list of 5. But if you change the database outside of the program I wrote, it doesn't reflect that change
high verge
far cry 3 is excellent
plucky ridge
My first thought was just to add a Refresh button
high verge
oh we already found a new thing
plucky ridge
But eh
rough sapphire
Can I create Electron-like looking UI with C?
high verge
you can do a timeout thing like in js i think
graceful basin
the Tk.after thing I sent did not work?
high verge
ah yep root.after
plucky ridge
I need it to be on the regular, not just once
high verge
yeah that's what i was thinking of
you call it again at the end hemlock
like requestAnimationFrame
graceful basin
the SO response just did
def fun():
# code
root.after(3000, fun)
Ah okay, that was my worry
graceful basin
it is pretty common to do things this way
high verge
does python have a nice semi built-in way to do that kind of thing
graceful basin
that is not a concern here though. The function ends after the root.after call
soft violet
If you write with double the curliness, does that make a script recursive?
plucky ridge
AH, right, since it's just adding it to the queue
high verge
mobius or something
plucky ridge
Okay, I'm with you now
rough sapphire
i kinda want to learn async python but it's just so damn ugly
plucky ridge
Hmmm....
rough sapphire
I'm returning with a meme.
I know I'm not funny, nor.shitposting is a great idea...
Kinda funny, dragged it into my memes folder.
soft violet
As a comedic device, it needs some work.
cosmic lotus
Seems to me to be just wholesome
cosmic lotus
Oh yeahhh
plucky ridge
I'll just have it recheck when they click back into the program
soft violet
I enjoy programming excitement. I feel productive and clever and validated.
rough sapphire
My scripts make no sense.
soft violet
Readability counts.
rough sapphire
I doubt you'll understand anything in them really.
It's out of context and so random. Something out of this goddamn world.
cosmic lotus
Is that a challenge
soft violet
@rough sapphire Have you tried using with?
rough sapphire
with me you are going nowhere.
topaz aurora
A context manager that I wrote a while back came back to haunt me
with Match(foo) as case:
case(21) >> print(f"Caught {case.result}")
case(42) >> print(f"Caught {case.result}")
that is quite interesting
rough sapphire
looks like a wrapper for regex?
graceful basin
I would wager it is a switch
rough sapphire
What is a context manager... Someone educate me.
graceful basin
!with
royal lakeBOT
topaz aurora
Either a switch/case or pattern matching
plucky ridge
Is... is that a switch case?
My god
That's brilliant
How efficient did it end up being?
topaz aurora
I haven't tested it actually
plucky ridge
I'd certainly be curious
I guess the two main competitors would be a dictionary or an if/else chain
graceful basin
with Match(10) as case:
case(11) >> print('a')
case(10) >> print('b')
``` how do you skip the first while still evaluating the secondCan I do this?
def SomethingExpensive00():
pass
with SomethingExpensive00() as se00:
pass
@graceful basin That's the thing about it, I haven't found a way to do that yet lol
rough sapphire
if the object is set up as a context manager
graceful basin
ah
topaz aurora
At this point, it's more of a glorified if/elif/else
plucky ridge
You'd have to base it on a hashmap if you wanted it to be performant, I think
But in fairness, I might just be talking out of my ass
rough sapphire
@topaz aurora Editing forbidden.py, Hmm...
topaz aurora
I think I did override print too before so it's somewhat lazy
graceful basin
you could make a string-only switch work like
class _(Switch('name')):
def name(): print('name')
def other(): print('other')
Is it possible to use a dictionary?
you can put functions in variables so i'd assume it'd work
plucky ridge
It does
cosmic lotus
Does looking up a dictionary actually O(1)?
graceful basin
yes-ish
plucky ridge
It's the best case scenario
cosmic lotus
or depending on the hash function used?
graceful basin
linear pileup can happen
plucky ridge
And more often than not the average one as well
rough sapphire
Does calling a variable that is tied up to a function will call the function?
plucky ridge
But the worst you end up hitting is O(n)
graceful basin
def fun():
print('a')
foo = fun
foo()
``` would print a^
cosmic lotus
what if using numbers or Strings as keys?
rough sapphire
doesn't matter what the keys are
I guess yes...
the hashing function decides everything
plucky ridge
Just has to be immutable
Although that can be overridden as well, but that gets..... messy if you do
graceful basin
well, the things that compute the hash have to be immutable
plucky ridge
Right right
graceful basin
class Person:
_max_id = 0
def __init__(self, name):
self._id = self._max_id
self._max_id += 1
self.name = name
def __hash__(self):
return hash(self._id)
def __eq__(self, other):
return isinstance(other, type(self)) and self._id == other._id
``` would work even if person.name got reassignedas well, a person can change its name and still be the identical person
glass gorge
How to live with just a water boiler?
plucky ridge
I am a happy Hemlock
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/iwijihehuz.py A little messy, but I'm quite pleased with it
cosmic lotus
Sir are you stuck out in the forest right now
undone berry
Looks very neat
graceful basin
I would at least use a custom exception
cosmic lotus
how would a default case go
topaz aurora
Still have to add that since I wrote it off my memory
graceful basin
a default case would just directly raise the exception, no?
cosmic lotus
is case("foo") calling __call__ here?
graceful basin
yes
topaz aurora
a default case would just directly raise the exception, no?
Not quite sure what you mean
cosmic lotus
are there default functions for other operators as well?
rough sapphire
@topaz aurora awesome piece of code.
glass gorge
like without what else
@high verge I only have a fridge and water boiler for the next few days
I was fearing a longer period, but land lord just confirmed they're replacing my oven asap
cosmic lotus
Oh an electric one?
cosmic lotus
yeah soups, soups, ramen, boiled stuff
soft violet
Boiled salads.
glass gorge
But I am an intellectual, I need proper foods
soft violet
Shabu shabu.
cosmic lotus
Isnt that drugs
soft violet
Depends. How much are you feeding to the cow?
cosmic lotus
three miles
glass gorge
cosmic lotus
๐ฑ
plucky ridge
"Our #2's will shock you!"
cosmic lotus
"Exaggerate your contributions to successful projects!
- Tony Hawk
soft violet
@plucky ridge If people's #2s are shocking people, I'd suggest unplugging the toilet from the electricity outlet.
glass gorge
I dont want it to be late yet
soft violet
and maybe calling a technician
plucky ridge
"So I said, "Rectum? Damn near killed 'em!""
cosmic lotus
You guys plug your toilets? I thought solar power was the standard now
soft violet
There'd be the occasional geothermal.
soft violet
Because I'll be damned if nobody has ever got it into their heads while looking at a volcano, "Hmmm...what if?"
glass gorge
Wait, which what if are you talking about
I can think of multiple what ifs ive had with a vulcano
soft violet
Volcano toilet.
glass gorge
oh.
soft violet
People use hot springs.
glass gorge
Ye i was more thinking about what would happen if i sacreficed a whole flock of penguins into one
soft violet
I mean to bathe in, of course. Though people being people...
glass gorge
Do they spawn coins that will eventually give you a +1 life
cosmic lotus
You have to jump in to reveal the secret room
glass gorge
There are loading screens in skyrim?
glass gorge
yep
plucky ridge
I mean you can
glass gorge
No no no
cosmic lotus
that's where they get you
glass gorge
You dont understand
I could power up gta5 when i wake up
Brush my teeth, shower, eat breakfast, drink coffee, get dressed
go to work for 8 hours, come home, cook dinner, eat said dinner, relax for 30 min, just in time for gta to finish loading
plucky ridge
Right. But you can get an external SSD and load the game onto there
glass gorge
I ahve the game on an SSD
undone berry
no, it's not hardware
plucky ridge
Then there is no god
undone berry
its rockstar being shit
glass gorge
A damn fast one as well
undone berry
same here - I have it on an m.2, and timed it at 11 minutes to get into a game
11 fucking minutes
cosmic lotus
You could finish the entire gta sa before gta5 finishes loading
undone berry
I honestly think rockstars way of loading you into online is some dude in a data centre pressing ok as new connections pop up
plucky ridge
I thought the m.2's were just a form factor difference
undone berry
they're a bit faster I think
cosmic lotus
lmao
undone berry
but I don't actually know
cosmic lotus
even that would probably be much faster
cosmic lotus
I can imagine a dude with like 6 screens just routing gta5 connections
plucky ridge
With a trackpad
glass gorge
Probably one of those keyboard rolling pin mouses
plucky ridge
Oh god the nubs
topaz aurora
With a trackpad
Oh the horror
glass gorge
That's not very nice Hem
cosmic lotus
and its those rough ones with very low mouse sensitivity
glass gorge
Noobs have feelings too
plucky ridge
cosmic lotus
plucky ridge
I'm assuming that's multiplayer good behavior
glass gorge
Probably, still find it funny that i get it just as im robbing a guy
glass gorge
hahaha
undone berry
I cheated and paid some Russian dude 5ยฃ to give me 2b$
undone berry
I'd prefer not to - but when you're low level it takes so long to get enough money for anything, that your only good option is shark cards or that
plucky ridge
Can't you pay Rockstar for that instead?
undone berry
I dunno - by buying shark cards i'd be encouraging R* to push them harder in the future
the best world would be the one where it's easy to jump into the game. Not the world where if you started playing 2 years later, you have to grind for hours on end to get up to scratch
plucky ridge
So... EVE
undone berry
I started playing with friends who already had 100hours up on me
so I just ended up being miles behind in terms of usefulness
undone berry
I get really salty about being at a strict disadvantage in game
glass gorge
So i bought the businesses, ceo office, wharehouse etc to make more money
plucky ridge
I thought the GTA multiplayer was just about messing around
More sandbox than competition
undone berry
I don't mind dying because I'm bad - I get annoyed if I die because someone has objectively better stuff than me
cosmic lotus
Is there actual endgame in gta5?
glass gorge
I can't count the amount of people I've sniped off an oppressor MK2 with my shitty sniper
undone berry
mk2s can just get in the bin - I own one and refuse to ever use it
glass gorge
I will buy one, but not for multiplayer purposes. Just to make grinding a tad bit faster & seemless
but tbh might buy the mk 1, cus it looks cooler
upper sphinx
hi
rough sapphire
hello
lost cloak
tight coral
Am I the only one who can't copy message link anymore?
Safari
Clicking on "copy message link" does nothing
plucky ridge
Works fine on the desktop client
tight coral
I think it started when they changed the interface, like, when you can see markdown effect while typing
tight coral
works fine with Chrome, so it must be Safari specific
plucky ridge
Funky
tight coral
They're usually touchy with the clipboard
tight coral
I think Safari. Most of the time "copy to clipboard" does not work, but websites provides an alternative to copy it, (by displaying it most of the time). Here it's really annoying since it's the only way to get the message id afaik
plucky ridge
Is this just on right click or when you hit the little three dot context menu on the side of the message
I have no idea if that made sense
plucky ridge
Hmm
tight coral
They must have changed something, will fill a bug report
plucky ridge
Probably for the best.
tight coral
Not sure what's the best way to do so, on their site they propose several ways
Found it, I litteraly just had to read the bottom of the page ๐
plucky ridge
Yeah their navigation could use some TLC
halcyon mantle
Can somebody help me
plucky ridge
I don't know anything about PhotoShop
halcyon mantle
sad
cosmic lotus
what right part of the image
wouldn't the magic wand work? just set the tolerance a bit low
tight coral
@plucky ridge In case you're interested
Currently, we are not accepting Desktop Bugs. This means that any Desktop Roles are currently not available, including Windows, Mac, Linux and Canary.
plucky ridge
That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard
tight coral
from bug report discord server :/ Guess I'll have to wait
Unless it's critical the bug will be not reviewed. I guess because of the pandemic all teams are overburdened
plucky ridge
Sure but you think it'd at least get added to a queue or something
tight coral
I like that on discord site it's written:
The absolute best way to report a bug and make sure itโs seen is by joining the Bug Hunters over at the official Discord Testers server
just to be told they don't accept bug reports
gentle moss
yo @plucky ridge
finished more of my box
speaker panel done \o/
now i just have to get a speaker, microphone and a whole raspberry pi in it
then rebuild the AIY voice kit stuff from source, since there's not a modern build
given my current mood i might just turn it into a box that toggles between a set of infinite screams
sleepy time o/
high verge
why is r/ireland 50% related to britain
surreal otter
high verge
right but the whole point is like
'woo we're not britain'
and then it's all 'haha look, britain'
high verge
yes i understand that but i assume r/ireland is for ROI given it's more nationalistic than you'd expect a sub with multiple nationalities to be
surreal otter
IDK, I'd expect r/marijuanaenthusiasts to talk more about marijuana and less about trees, but you know how it is, r/trees was taken by marijuana enthusiasts
so you go to r/marijuanaenthusiasts to talk about trees and r/trees to talk about marijuana
These related images are neat
earnest cave
Never knew that oblong as a term existed.
sand goblet
I like this one for the UK explanation https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/356800315116486658/610774777392660480/H1xcWwDqayrvL0A9RbtzsOZVZl_etvsVvL8Qcq3hc0A.png
warm widget
South Sandwich Islands.
rough sapphire
Sandwich me.
fluid mason
bold pollen
it is i
the frenchiest fry
and i have. another project that is probably way too large in scope but i want to try anyway.
yay.
why do i keep doing this
rough sapphire
Yikes
bold pollen
every project i want to make is so. so big.
summer rampart
@bold pollen what kind of project is it?
bold pollen
said this in general already but
it's a translator
soft violet
Of?
bold pollen
a conlang i'm also making
a lot of research has lead me to believe that big tech corps with virtually unlimited resources can't even do it 100% perfectly, so for me its borderline impossible
nevertheless i am stubborn
soft violet
It can be an excercise in self-development.
bold pollen
i've gotten suggestions to make a dictionary as a start but i'm not even sure how to go about that
do i make the dictionary out of already translated words, or just the romanization itself?
and if i did make it out of the romanization, how do i represent colors and beeps? the thing the language is actually made of.
jolly sparrow
Make a dictionary.
bold pollen
that doesn't answer the question but ok
jolly sparrow
That would be the point
bold pollen
yes RGB
jolly sparrow
uHHHHHHHH
bold pollen
what
bold pollen
it's possible with conlangs that humans are actually able to speak
jolly sparrow
oh...
bold pollen
mine is just too weird
bold pollen
and i'm nowhere closer to figuring out what to actually make my dictionary out of :/
or if making a dictionary even matters
or if this really is possible for me
jolly sparrow
doesnt have to be plausibe just possible
bold pollen
nltk was another suggestion but it's really not built for conlangs
i'm basically reinventing the wheel here
jolly sparrow
Machine learning
bold pollen
thats a completely different massive can of worms
jolly sparrow
but the two can of worms can breed
bold pollen
so it seems like dictionaries can't represent colors or sounds. just strings.
so that suggestion is out the window entirely :/
jolly sparrow
tuples
bold pollen
you can't represent sounds
colors, maybe. not sounds.
the more i research the more it's telling me that i can't do it :<
topaz aurora
You could encode sounds in a specific format though
bold pollen
thats not exactly what i mean
in a dictionary or tuple or whatever, how do you represent a sound through text?
there's no hex code equivalent for sounds as far as i'm aware.
it just doesn't work that way
topaz aurora
Depends on which types of sounds though
pine vector
sounds, digitally at least, are just a collection of bit streams. look into how wav/mp3/etc files are encoded. could be easily stored in a dictionary.
topaz aurora
^
red willow
interesting
bold pollen
I want to be able to generate a tone with a certain frequency
and that's another thing python doesn't seem to be capable of doing
pine vector
that's just math, with sin/cos. python can handle that.
bold pollen
oh god math
that's not even a python difficulty anymore. that's a me difficulty :')
half of this is "python can't do that" and the other half is "I can't do that"
jolly sparrow
technically its all "i cant do that"
pine vector
hehe. welcome to the world of solving problems/puzzles. ๐
pine vector
this uses numpy, which is likely just for speed, but it at least has the math for you. (to understand the math, Kahn Academy has pretty good video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRZIQDEQNuc
rich rover
so i have a question, in lists such as in list.sort(), does python use quick sort algorithm or just merge and insert?
pine vector
TimSort, iirc.
sinusoidal wave equation (took me a second to find the right one)
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/mechanical-waves-and-sound/mechanical-waves/v/wave-equation
bold pollen
I'm just worried that maybe I'm going too ambitious again
last time I was doing python stuff I was making a discord bot. turned out to be too much and abandoned it.
pine vector
its tough to balance. projects should be challenging so that they remain engaging. but, yeah, if they're too challenging, it becomes to frustrating and often ends in quitting.
maybe break it into smaller goals. start with the knowledge that you'll add something later, learn to design in modularity, but table some of the more challenging parts to later.
rich rover
so i try to go for all types of projects , and the code is sloppy as it gets , then i start learning the part more carefully, then start to write a more decent code. Do you consider this a more efficient approach in python?
pine vector
i know individuals that subscribe to the "get it working, then make it 'proper'". if that approach works for you, i don't think there's anything wrong with it.
i mean, prototypes are just that. i've yet to write any code that wasn't later changed, i don't think. ๐
i mean, prototypes are just that. i've yet to write any code that wasn't later changed, i don't think. ๐
bold pollen
at least with the discord bot there are places to start
with this translator there isn't anywhere to start, partly due to the language itself
summer knot
@bold pollen by "sound" do you mean "phoneme"? Or just any arbitrary sound?
bold pollen
even trying to approach it in small steps turns into downward spirals
its not really phonemes. the language is too alien for those.
jolly sparrow
Then breakdown those stepa
And then breakdown those steps
And break down those steps
Till one step turned into a 1k page of steps broken down to their atomic structure
And then break that down
red willow
I subscribe to that, sommersoft
I am too inpatient to just plan ahead for most scripts
bold pollen
how do you even begin to define grammar through code
it should not be this impossibly hard to assign a color and sound to each character but here I am, struggling with it
I'm just so lost with every single aspect
it might as well be magic
rough sapphire
pliant pine
such beauty
glass gorge
Oh, wth
I see something faint in my side vision
Try to grab it assuming it's dust, or a hair or something hanging off my lashes..
NOPE, a tiny spider
How to apply flamethrower to face?
rough sapphire
๐
oh shit is that a spider on its face
no just a sweatdrop
You guys heard of flat earth discord servers?
there were some cobwebs in my apartment
I removed them but thinking later on, given that they were completely empty and I hadn't ever seen any spiders anywhere, they must have been effective
so basically the spiders were removing living things from my apartment that were finding their way into those places
they were acting as nature's own pest control
o wow
You should feed them
spiders?
Ye
Also
they were doing perfectly well on their own
Make them pay rent
๐ค
You could do surgery on their brain
And
nvm
some macabre humor...
ah yes, summer solstice
where everyone gets drunk and makes huge bonfires
can't wait
I'll be at my parents' place
parents are in south estonia
the weather should be good there too
:+1: hopefully
rough sapphire
i think the norwegians do midsommaren too. it's the same thing
rough sapphire
lel
rough sapphire
did you go see that?
gentle moss
nah, i wish.
rough sapphire
that seems hard to jump over
rough sapphire
hmm get kinda homesick looking at those pics :<
well
when life gives you covid, punch it in the face.
this disease should just blow over.
Great advice
the punching covid in the face part?
I agree.
Yes
high verge
jesus how are those people up there
rough sapphire
for the record I don't have personally COVID but even if I did, I'd just punch it.
@high verge they probably climbed
the norwegians are mountain people.
literal sentient mountains
those damn Norwegians
if you look closely, they look like lemon, half of them.
gentle moss
pallets are designed for stacking
high verge
like climbing a mountain made of chocolate
gentle moss
throw in a few ratchet straps and that thing would be pretty solid
rough sapphire
they did probably some serious math before they built that thing
they didn't just start stacking random shit and see if it falls over
gentle moss
it's burned and fallen over into the harbour before and set fire to ships
iirc
๐
rough sapphire
...
gentle moss
serious maths
high verge
maybe my knowledge of pallet stacking has been adversely affected by video game crates
i remember i spent like my first week of having Arma 3 playing with a forklift mod
gentle moss
an EPAL pallet is rated for 1.5 tonnes
rough sapphire
What can I do in C that I can't do in Python, throw me something.
high verge
anything with a fast inner loop basically
so i'd say something like graphics processing, but some admirable bastion of humanity would inform me that you can do that in python
except they mean 'use a c binding'
and bindings for things in general is a good one
also writing shaders, microcontroller programming (normally)
rough sapphire
Can I like make API calls with C or whatever they're called to request information about the OS and stuff like that, networking is what I'm interested...
high verge
yes
python is a layer on C, so anything python can do, C can do
well as in all python things have at some point originated from C functionality
high verge
what specifically are you looking to do
rough sapphire
I can't seem to like get information about my network, open ports, anything local network related, and there we're some things I wanted to get a long time ago but forgot what they we're and I couldn't do it with Python...
Maybe even create something like Wireshark?
high verge
well you may have to resort to os-specific command line calls
wireshark has a scripting langauge i believe
but if you want to make wireshark 2 electric boogaloo then i think there's a python library to basically be wireshark
i.e. monitor packets etc
i did a very bad job of trying to do this a while ago
rough sapphire
I want to create a simple program that just gets info about your OS, hardware and something about your network.
@rough sapphire C will let you write inline assembler
that's impossible with python
What is an inline assembler.
assembly I guess the language
gentle moss
you could probably do that in powershell, resorting to C seems like overkill
unless you're thinking like a network probe type thing
rough sapphire
I mean, I just learned the bare basics of C and I kinda want to learn it further so I can like have atleast some experience and move on to Assembly so I can create an os.
@rough sapphire assembly is the lowest possible level you can program in. it's made of commands like MOV etc. which do something very simple like "move one number from one memory slot to the computer to process by the CPU in a register"
Yeah
your original Q was: what can I do in C that I absolutely can't do in python
that's an answer.
C is a lower-level language yeah but I was wondering how big of a difference it is and it seems like a big one...
it's a big one.
Yikes, I hope I'm not gonna break down from using C...
the problem with C is that it's rather treacherous
jolly sparrow
C in its self is a small language aswell...
rough sapphire
things are never as simple as they seem
jolly sparrow
This
Quite a few of the functions you'd use on python natively you'd have to create your self
rough sapphire
Yeah
I would personally ignore C completely and try to use C++
think of C++ as a completely separate language from C.
Lol no thank you, I already set my goal.
Maybe when I create the damn os.
C++ will let you do all the same things.
but with much less pain.
What's the point, I can learn C and then C++...
I snipe 2 languages.
well
that will make you a bad C++ programmer :<
topaz aurora
^
rough sapphire
Fuck
C++ is not just "a better C"
though it looks a lot like that
It's bad when someone who knows what he's talking about points out to somethint...
topaz aurora
You're gonna get used to the C way of doing things and you'll try to use them in C++
Which is a bad idea
rough sapphire
I didn't say I was going to learn C++ I think I could live with Python and C.
C++ is what you want.
I'll ditch Assembly just like I did with Lua lolol.
topaz aurora
I'm too deep into the C rabbit hole to properly learn C++ lol
rough sapphire
modern C++ resembles python more.
but it still requires you to know low-level stuff and lets you have all the power of C.
high verge
like poseidon?
rough sapphire
But it isn't as low as C...
?
@rough sapphire well it is but they try to ignore that because the low-levelness is what usually causes trouble
so in that sense, no
I know, that's the point I want the lowest possible language.
then assembly
no other choice
no C, just ASM
So I can create a basic os that has cool terminal concepts and shit.
I wrote a bootloader for an operating system once I think from some wiki tutorial
I think it booted in some virtual machine too
that was pure ASM
Was it hard?
it was following a tutorial
rough sapphire
8 months Python, 1 day C.
0 seconds Assembly.
๐ ๐
Uh
the hardest part about that was compiling it with the correct tools etc
Is it gonna teach me how to build a simple os.
Or just the bootloader.
?
well you're gonna have to be pretty self-reliant here. that wiki is a pretty darn good resource
Can I just write an os that like prints out some crap, you input some text into it (It won't have any other input device support than keyboards) and it just works with the file system and stuff...?
Like nothing fancy, no internet, no UI, it's just a terminal.
That shouldn't be too hard?
high verge
would take a while
idk maybe a few months depending on what level it operates at
if you do it from scratch, and without uefi
but it seems like you don't get the experience of doing bootloader stuff on uefi
rough sapphire
What is a UEFI?
high verge
afaik it basically does the job of some bootloader-ing for you
rough sapphire
Oh
high verge
but you can do a basic bootloader in like a day if you follow a tutorial, i just think you're underestimating the difficulty of making something that can use a filesystem etc
rough sapphire
Maybe I shouldn't even do it at all, atlesst for now not.
rough sapphire
I don't even know how to properly use classes in Python.
Idk, I heard there was some kit for C++.
@rough sapphire I think it's doable if you follow tutorials
but you have to be smart about doing it.
I wished I was as smart as Joe or something.
topaz aurora
lark is fun