also try/except that cause it will error on invalid strings
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
high verge
graceful basin
Regex would just not match, no?
rough sapphire
MY BAD WORD FILTER WORKS, YAY!!!
high verge
def check_ip(string):
try:
return all(int(n) < 256 for n in possible_ip.split("."))
except SomeBullshit:
return False```it is meant to have a regex before it, just using it plainly will not catch ips
rough sapphire
LOL
try:
# Literally my whole script
except:
print("Yikes, an error appeared somewhere... You might want to look through your 68 lines and try again! <3")```though if you are doing some scraping/analysis with a loop and want to run it overnight or sth, I do suggest doing
import traceback as tb
for item in things_to_try:
try:
try_item(item)
except Exception as e:
tb.print_tb(e)
so that a messy item does not break everything
graceful basin
or even
import traceback as tb
for item in things_to_try:
try:
try_item(item)
except SystemExit:
raise
except KeyboardInterrupt:
raise
except BaseException as e:
tb.print_tb(e)
``` in case some weird lib is extending baseexception
gentle moss
that one's for @plucky ridge in these trying times
undone berry
quite probably the shittest successful magic trick I've ever seen
rough sapphire
@gentle moss Daddy Bisk... Blushes 👉 👈 you wanna go on a... date with me? <3 >.<
rough sapphire
I haven't watched the video just the thumbnail made me think you're gonna have a date with the viewer lol.
gentle moss
:(
gentle moss
yes
it doesn't work when she's awake
because she chants the magic words
"are you doing something fucking stupid again?"
cosmic lotus
I thought it was vodka and you're just gonna chug it then the video ends
gentle moss
i haven't chugged vodka in just over half a decade now
rough sapphire
Damn
gentle moss
yes because you're 15.
rough sapphire
Smart move
Uh
Ya
But
I consume alcohol which is illegal...
But not vodka.
And a terrible idea at your age
That shit smells bad honestly.
gentle moss
consumption of alcohol is a legal grey area in a lot of nations
rough sapphire
Yeah
plucky ridge
nothing like early damage to your body
gentle moss
in the UK parents are legally allowed to give their kids booze from like the age of 5
cosmic lotus
mmmm hello liver functions
gentle moss
in their own home
rough sapphire
Eh the liver isn't even the biggest issue
That's fucking why my friend is forced to drink alcohol, her fucking parents are allowed to...
I thought it was illegal?
cosmic lotus
that's true
gentle moss
it varies country to country
rough sapphire
I mean she isn't forced but like asked to drink with them and shit.
gentle moss
however the other week when i saw my neighbours breaking lockdown rules
rough sapphire
That's a dumb legalization tbh.
gentle moss
i saw them giving their kids bottles of bud
rough sapphire
Yikes
cosmic lotus
bruh
undone berry
I thought bud didn't come in bottles...
oh wait
I mean. 14+yos are probably going to drink, accepting that fact and trying to make sure they don't do it stupidly is probably the best thing
parents being strict about alcohol just doesn't work
gentle moss
normalisation of the behaviour actually removes the taboo
rough sapphire
@undone berry but you don't normalize drinking regularly at that age.
gentle moss
which makes it less "cool" for kids
rough sapphire
It shouldn't be normalized at all imho.
undone berry
it's better to normalise casual drinking than accept that binge drinking will be normalized
rough sapphire
But that's just not possible with our alcohol centered culture
plucky ridge
Okay but it's not really an either or situation, Charlie
undone berry
the current generation is the best ever at not drinking or doing drugs
rough sapphire
Kinda
plucky ridge
According to what metrics?
graceful basin
I am pretty sure every single person in our class drank underage. And we are a pretty prestigious school (in the country, not globally). But so did our predecessors
rough sapphire
That's a problematic statement.
plucky ridge
eh, not for my benefit
undone berry
just definining what I mean by best
no interested in arguing whether that actually is best or not
plucky ridge
Yeah that was kind of weak. A for effort, though
gentle moss
what charlie says is actually true.... for now
rough sapphire
Anyways, teens shouldn't drink on a regular basis. It's pretty bad for brain development and can lead concentration issues amongst other things.
gentle moss
the difference is this latest batch of 18 year olds didn't have to live through a really shitty recess-
undone berry
so I can't see it reversing
plucky ridge
Flip it up down and reverse it
gentle moss
in all seriousness though, the youth smoke FAR less than just the previous generation
rough sapphire
And what's hardly ever talked about, alcohol intoxication can induce psychosis
undone berry
yeah, vaping rates aren't actually tracked
gentle moss
in general they have better drinking culture compared to uhhh
undone berry
and vaping is probably bad for you (notadcotor)
gentle moss
when i was 20
high verge
rip drinking culture 2020
undone berry
nah
gentle moss
i'm keeping it alive baby
high verge
well unless you're just getting wasted in your own garden by yourself
rough sapphire
@undone berry short term it improves the health outcome of smokers.
plucky ridge
@high verge It's not drinking, its disinfecting
undone berry
absolute trash
high verge
i did have a remote beer with my friend a few weeks ago
rough sapphire
Who switch
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire COMPARED to smoking. Compared to not smoking, it's still significantly worse
high verge
he basically came and sat on the other side of the garden with a beer
undone berry
@undone berry short term it improves the health outcome of smokers.
@rough sapphire
yeah, it's almost certainly better than smoking, but I'm pretty sure doing neither is best
gentle moss
i used to smoke 20 a day
i now smoke 20 a day worth of nicotine
but vaped
it's not much more expensive and it's actually more convenient
undone berry
obviously vaping is better than smoking, and smokers should switch if they can't or won't or don't want to quit
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge yep and mixed with the aromas it's just the thing for kids to get curious about.
plucky ridge
Exactly
undone berry
Vaping gets pushed towards kids in absolutely awful ways
plucky ridge
So we may be losing smoker totals but gaining that in vapers
gentle moss
i'm not on board with banning flavours
i'm for better restrictions and advertising
even non-nicotine vape juices should be treated as cigarettes
plain packets
etc
undone berry
yeah, I don't like banning things, but better restrictions are good
rough sapphire
I switched back to smoking, all that liquids mixing and stuff was annoying.
rough sapphire
Smoking is such a stupid thing though
And it's an annoying addiction
No, they vape instead
@plucky ridge reminds me of what I woke up to in the ReSwitched server today
I mean, withdrawal is not really bad. You sweat you shiver and you feel really bad and irritable.
and you might die
The bad thing is how easy it is to start again
Feeling stressed? Oh yes that cig will help.
At least that's what my brain tries to convince me of.
It doesn't really help, not the substance at least.
oh, I assumed you were talking about heroin or some shit, not smoking
Smoking
hence why I said you might die
rough sapphire
I was about to draw the comparison to opioid withdrawal
undone berry
ayy - you have the good vape
not the kind that looks like a usb stick or robot dong
gentle moss
it can be held / used like a cigarette
rough sapphire
we get it bisk, you vape
plucky ridge
Next he's going to tell us he's a vegan and does crossfit
rough sapphire
nice beard though
Which I got on prescription and didn't even know it was an opiod thingy…
fucking hipster
gentle moss
i was bearding before hipsters
rough sapphire
Doc said I could just stop it
undone berry
it's taboo to say - but smoking does look cool compared to vaping
vaping just looks dumb
rough sapphire
Felt like I was dying for two days
vaping is still not as dumb as smoking to look cool, though
Didn't sleep, just pain sweating and agony
rough sapphire
Yeah, that's extremely shit
gentle moss
that shit was STILL easier to quit than smoking though
high verge
i wonder who in the world has been addicted to and quit the most things
rough sapphire
And I feel sorry for all addicts who have to quit cold turkey
high verge
maybe Super Hans
rough sapphire
Often it's not the substance that really fuels an addiction.
plucky ridge
It's the cat videos
rough sapphire
It's usually habits and unhealthy coping
gentle moss
i could go on for hours on this topic, but i'm not in the mood
and also it's probably not appropriate
rough sapphire
Enjoy ☺️
pine vector
it's not much more expensive and it's actually more convenient
@gentle moss jumping in late... i actually find cigarettes more convenient. especially when travelling. having to lug a charger, extra batteries, juice-du-jour...its tedious. oh, and have fun flying; leak leak leak.
granted, i'm glad i've switched overall.
rough sapphire
maybe Super Hans
@high verge I'll tell you what, that crack is really moreish
gentle moss
pre-packaged cartridges, small batteries, little usb charger unit
gentle moss
and no robodick button
you just suck on it and stuff comes out
like in the public toilets
rough sapphire
:( it's no fun when you make all of the jokes for me
gentle moss
shoot yourself in the foot before someone kneecaps you.
you can have that advice for free
i cannot stand vapes where i have to press a button
i want to be able to leave it hanging out my mouth while i do other things
i've done entire 30 minute sets with one of these in my gob
pine vector
i'm not a boxmod fan either. i use a single batt mod: https://www.wismec.com/product/sinuous-p80-with-elabo-mini-kit/
but the pen vapes just don't cut it for me. its hard enough to find 100% VG juice for me; my throat doesn't tolerate the PG (xx...i await your comments, hehe).
the downside is finding non-sub-ohm coils. i don't want clouds.
gentle moss
i did try the fancy vapes at one point... just so much work.
i just buy cartridges, charge my batteries, and screw the two together
boom
not as cheap as doing nerd vape stuff though, but no more expensive than smoking
my vape neatly fits between my headstock and strings too, so i could just let it hang out there if i wanted
like i used to do with "cigarettes"
pine vector
your "more convenient" comment makes sense now, though. pens are that.
gentle moss
it's the lightweight + no button that really sells it for me
having to press any button just eh, can't hack it
warm widget
Why is mah dude holding markers in his hand like wolverine 
rough sapphire
Rated 12+
soft violet
Have you been installing things from downloaded source packages?
silk hamlet
no
soft violet
Are you using, as suggested may be the case, third-party repositories?
silk hamlet
i had problems with graphics so i tried to use the other driver which was in updates and software
no
the only third pary repo i used is audio recorder!
soft violet
What sort of graphics problems?
silk hamlet
a little time ago (2 month) i was able to play games (csgo) smoothly but recently it just had a huge frame drop (from 60 to 24) i was using 340 driver version of nvidia so i tried to install that one through "updates and softwares"
if i backup from my system, reinstall os, would this problem follow to new os?
soft violet
I mean, you could try to install all your dependancies manually from their respective source packages, but that is, as I like to call it, the way of pain.
It depends on why the problem is happening.
silk hamlet
i look for the way of fix without reinstalling os, doesn't matter how much pain
soft violet
Well, okay. It's given you a list.
silk hamlet
but where could i get them?
soft violet
Nvidia?
silk hamlet
just sudo apt-get install <pkg name>?
soft violet
No, the thing is, it's telling you that you've got something installed that has unmet dependancies. Meaning the packages it's looking for aren't in its library.
silk hamlet
so what could i do?
soft violet
So you have to go and find them elsewhere. Maybe hop over to the unix channel. When I get that tangled, I usually just reinstall, myself.
There's likely a much more straighforward way of doing things
Like uninstalling the packages
silk hamlet
so i have to uninstall packages that doesn't have required packagaes then reinstall them in "updates and softwares"
soft violet
That's what got you into this mess, though, yeah?
silk hamlet
it says do apt --fix-broken install, i do, then it throws another error
im done with ubuntu, i have to reinstall it every 2 week! any other stable distro out there?
soft violet
Ubuntu is pretty well put together.
rough sapphire
Ubuntu is very stable
my server machine has been running the same Ubuntu install for around 10 years now
soft violet
Is that arse?
rough sapphire
of course, Linux is only as stable as its user
@soft violet no, personal machine back home
soft violet
Hm.
rough sapphire
arse/nns.ee/etc use a DO server
~5 year old Ubuntu install
it says do
apt --fix-broken install, i do, then it throws another error
@silk hamlet what error
also, I don't think I've encountered a single issue over all of my time using Linux that couldn't be fixed and required a reinstall
it isn't windows, you actually have the power to unfuck whatever you did that got you fucked in the first place
soft violet
Knowledge may or may not be power. Power may or may not be knowledge.
high verge
I don't think I've ever broken a Windows install
faint crest
Anyone here familiar with vps setup
I am planning to rent a vps for my discord bot
Do i really need a domain?
For hostname?
Because i don't own one
high verge
isn't hostname just the name of the machine
i.e.
hang on
i.e. what goes in the 'dev-1' bit
sand goblet
It's the name, yes
rough sapphire
the hostname can be anything, doesn't necessarily have to correlate with a public domain. It sort of is a domain, though - the hostname will be resolved to the machine's IP via a local nameserver (like whatever handles your DHCP, probably a router)
in Seagull's scenario, http://dev-1/ would navigate to the web server running on his machine @faint crest
rough sapphire
uninstall computer
high verge
i might just
soft violet
I set my dhcp clients to request specified hostnames, where the option exists. The ISP provided router is a bit restricted with what it allows. I know how to get into it, but eh.
I wish more uis provided the field.
gentle moss
hello apache
high verge
python http.server achtually
graceful basin
I wonder why I decided to do it this way
ne_x, ne_y = map(closest_in, (x_var, y_var), json_in["ne"])
finite ermine
how do i disable those lines on the left?
sand goblet
Not sure why you'd want to, those are making you aware of what exactly you've edited since your last commit
finite ermine
Not sure why you'd want to, those are making you aware of what exactly you've edited since your last commit
@sand goblet 🤔 Maybe i'll not remove them, btw do you knwo how to remove them?
sand goblet
I'm sure it's possible but I don't know
plucky ridge
Great way to start a day. Turns out our email to our phones is borked now
Have to wait another couple minutes before I can even call our IT folks since their phones don't open up until 8am
lofty dirge
You guys still rock your own mail server?
rough sapphire
I do, yeah
i guess apache has thinner lines
@gentle moss I'd be surprised if that wasn't a simple<hr>
plucky ridge
@lofty dirge We do, and I'm beginning to hate it more and more
lofty dirge
right on
yea, it sucks, Cloud Email hosting is too cheap not to do it
few companies can run exchange for less then 4 dollars per user
rough sapphire
I run it for personal use only tbh
plucky ridge
I think it's more for security. Since we're an accounting firm, there are a lot of privacy and data protection things we have to consider
But when one thing slightly goes wrong with it, it just tanks
lofty dirge
backs away slowly
lofty dirge
god I hate that argument
lofty dirge
your on premise Exchange server is likely not secure, sign here for my white hat hacker friend, I'll be back with your emails in 15 minutes
plucky ridge
It's not exchange
lofty dirge
Even worse
rough sapphire
what in the fuck is this
lofty dirge
I'm former Office365 consultant
plucky ridge
I genuinely don't know why we use this software
surreal otter
I had to look. Really gives me confidence in their knowledge of tech.
lofty dirge
probably integrations
rough sapphire
nothing screams "PROFESSIONAL" more than a website engineered with html tables
i thought tables was fine
plucky ridge
Well you can certainly tell they're not front end devs
surreal otter
'engineered'
oak tangle
amateurs
plucky ridge
And the email program looks straight out of Win 95 as well
oak tangle
<frameset>'s where it's at
lofty dirge
it loads quick!
surreal otter
Security via obscurity!
lofty dirge
and for once, it's not a website where my browser is groaning under the weight of javascript
rough sapphire
hmm i wonder if they're hiring. this company 🤔
lofty dirge
oak tangle
It's so sad that things like <marquee> and <blink> are not decorating our websites anymore
plucky ridge
Oh, you'll love this.
rough sapphire
gotta give them credit, though
their web server runs IIS 7.5
which is only just a tad bit over a decade old
plucky ridge
So there's a chat function built into the product. Want to know how it works? You have to call the other person and they have to "pick up" to accept the messages, and then it makes a chat session
I have never in my life dealt with a system that dumb
lofty dirge
xx, you mean it's End of Life
IIS 7.5 is Windows 2008 R2
so Hemlock company is running this "secure" software by company who can't keep web server up to date. I feel safer already 😄
plucky ridge
Again, not my choice
lofty dirge
I know
rough sapphire
it would be fun to go in there and fix that shit if they paid properly but that's probably not on their agenda.
plucky ridge
I feel like I've only ever talked to like two different people on their support team
I think it's genuinely just those two guys
The whole company
lofty dirge
probably
mail server software is hard place to be
Office365/G Suite is eating everyone lunch
plucky ridge
Well it certainly doesn't help that they can't keep their stuff up to date
lofty dirge
sure but chicken and egg
plucky ridge
So how bad is it that they're using IIS 7.5 as opposed to one of the 10 versions
Or hell, even 8
lofty dirge
It's Windows 2008 R2 which is End of Life
Windows 2008 R2 was Windows 7 Server OS
so any vulnerabilities in IIS won't be patched unless they paid for Extended Support (which I doubt they did) or they run on Azure
lofty dirge
if I was still O365 consultant, I'd offer my services
rough sapphire
i have completely binge watched star wars clone wars and star wars rebels. what now?
lofty dirge
you guys would be easier to implement since if you never had Exchange in your AD, you don't have to put up with that bullshit during sync
pine vector
i'd at least ask the C-suite if they'd be open to you doing a BCA/CBA for switching.
plucky ridge
I have no idea what that means. I feel really out of my depth
lofty dirge
So for Office365, you can sync your on premise AD with Microsoft
including passwords
so users get Single Sign On
pine vector
Business Case Analysis/Cost Benefit Analysis (if that was the idk)
plucky ridge
It was pretty much all of it
I've never dealt with this level of server admin
Most of that is handled by our IT folks that we contract with
lofty dirge
for your company, I would recommend M365 BUsiness Standard which comes with Exchange/OneDrive (Dropbox)/Sharepoint/Teams/Office Message ENcryption and AD Connect
rough sapphire
@lofty dirge why not the google suite
plucky ridge
Keep in mind we're a firm of like 20 or so people
lofty dirge
so, I used to do firms of 5
in fact, smaller love Office365, good bye on premise servers
@rough sapphire you want my honest answer?
pine vector
yeah, it seems like O365 really reduced that barrier of entry. (outside perspective...not in that world)
rough sapphire
I'm in love with the google suite. well to be frank I haven't used anything else.
@lofty dirge yes. most definitely.
unless it involved my mother
lofty dirge
Because it's absolute shit and when you compare it to Office365, it's pointless
rough sapphire
hmm
sand goblet
MS Office has always been the premier office solution
rough sapphire
i guess it's not super heavy-weight I have to admit
lofty dirge
it's same price for Office365 and GSuite
sand goblet
O365 does make a lot of sense for remote workers and other things like that
lofty dirge
so why go with Google ignored cousin?
pine vector
yeah, GSuite is all webapps, right? hard to compete with richer desktop apps...
sand goblet
gsuite is all webapps yeah
lofty dirge
sommersoft, it's not even that
sand goblet
however, o365 on desktop is actually a UWP app, so it's basically electron
lofty dirge
It's all webapps, the UI between the products is awful, G Mail is great for consumers
gdude, incorrect
rough sapphire
yeah no I wasn't trying to compare office 365 with like google docs+sheets etc. i was asking about drive+domains+gsuite+user management
lofty dirge
it's still normal Office apps you know it loves
honest star
You can pry Excel from my cold dead hands. Google Sheets cannot compete.
lofty dirge
worldwake, I'm on G Suite now at my current company
sand goblet
that doesn't contradict what I said
rough sapphire
i don't think o365 desktop apps run entirely natively
sand goblet
they don't.
lofty dirge
Teams is only one electron
rough sapphire
@lofty dirge I have my personal domain setup with g-suite
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Where did you see what IIS version it was running?
lofty dirge
BTW, I'm talking Office365 Desktop edition
sand goblet
yes I am also talking about that
plucky ridge
Just trying to educate myself a bit more before I even discuss it with my boss
lofty dirge
it's not UWP
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge open the site, press F12, open the network tab, refresh the page
click the first request that pops up in the list
there should be a "response headers" section in there
MicrosoftOfficeWebServer: 5.0_Pub
MS-Author-Via: MS-FP/4.0
Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.5
Ah okay I see it now
still junco
rough sapphire
@still junco hey! Check out #❓｜how-to-get-help
high verge
what is it if it isn't UWP or electron
rough sapphire
straight up magic
plucky ridge
Okay, nevermind, thought I saw it
high verge
and i haven't made anything UWP in ages but you don't have to package webkit with it or anything do you
cause microsoft make it work nicely
plucky ridge
Sorry, I feel dumb, never done this before
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
ah yeah it's laid out in a rather strange way
plucky ridge
I mean that just implies that their own site is on 7.5, right?
royal laurel
Morning uwu
plucky ridge
Yo
rough sapphire
it's the server that's creating that content at least.
royal laurel
Yes
plucky ridge
Bakipaki
lofty dirge
I still have Office 32 bit installed on my laptop
pine vector
but it's an indicator that, y'know
yeah, the webserver itself, if its only for dem docs...meh. but, if they're running it on-prem connected to their network? 😬
royal laurel
Backpaki
plucky ridge
http://www.lan-aces.com/OLIChanges.htm Not sure if this would shed any light on it
Probably not
rough sapphire
what is the server gonna do if it's only responding to some very simple HTTP queries? assuming it's configured like that or there's some serious firewalling going on
rough sapphire
can't break anything if the only thing it responds to is GET the main page
pine vector
if its connected to their internal network, and running old software, its a vulnerability as the system doesn't receive security updates.
plucky ridge
Right but I don't know how I would know whether or not the Interchange is properly secure
rough sapphire
but this is fantasy land
lofty dirge
it doesn't matter in long run
rough sapphire
I'm just living in the fantasy that "they decided to use 10+ years old software because they know they don't need newer"
pine vector
what the server is supposed to respond to isn't the issue. its what threat vectors are available.
hem, i'm not sure how that would be gleaned without directly asking them. 🤷
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire More than likely that it's just because accountants are cheap
lofty dirge
Hemlock company is probably so committed to their mail server that moving off of it would be impossible or they don't wantt o pay for migration
plucky ridge
Likely the latter
lofty dirge
and yes, accountants are awful, WHAT'S MY ROI
plucky ridge
Although if I make a compelling argument about security then I could likely sway them
lofty dirge
meanwhile everything is on fire around them
pine vector
which is why i mentioned BCA/CBA. its the only thing they understand. 🤣
plucky ridge
We've done a lot in the name of security, despite it still feeling like we haven't done shit
lofty dirge
my favorite was my boss threating to fire an accounting company if they didn't convert to Office365
rough sapphire
🐧
rough sapphire
what does it do
lofty dirge
because paying 3000 bucks for 20 users will appear pricey then whipping Harlock to fix it
plucky ridge
And my fix is literally just calling our IT guys and wringing my hands waiting
And in fairness, we have a regular update schedule on technology
I'm actually looking at our 5 year plan right now
lofty dirge
do you drink vodka and play russian music in background when doing 5 year plan?
plucky ridge
I'm not involved in it
That's the thing, I'm the tech guy but I'm not the tech guy
It's a really weird situation to be in
lofty dirge
I've worked at Small businesses I get it
plucky ridge
But honestly, we're pretty good about keeping our hardware up to spec
It's the software that usually gets put off
lofty dirge
I never working for Married Couple again
plucky ridge
Thankfully it's not like that here
But the current head partner is pretty much THE decision maker. Which is fine, but she's going to retire at some point, and there really isn't anyone who would make a good replacement
Getting heart burn thinking about it all
rough sapphire
yuss. was gonna throw pants into the washing machine and found money
plucky ridge
Going to throw money in the washing machine and found pants
rough sapphire
that seems like a deal that won't get you in trouble
keeping them trousers clean too
is there one decent website in the world where have good maps of the world with the weather on it
plucky ridge
Could stick little push pins with cotton balls on a globe
rough sapphire
it's like nobody thought to use google maps for weather
https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/map/index look at this crap
gentle moss
little thunder and lightning here
sand goblet
thunderbolt and lightning, very very frightning
rough sapphire
proprietary connectors scare me too
gentle moss
:D
surreal otter
They are a scourge to everything
gentle moss
one thing i've noticed about using a windows laptop
i cannot stand the taskbar at the bottom
surreal otter
I always liked it on the right side
gentle moss
it's gotta be up the top like on my linux setups
rough sapphire
you can do that
surreal otter
Why give up vertical real estate
plucky ridge
DRAG AND DROP
gentle moss
i mean i have done that
rough sapphire
unlock it and drag it there
surreal otter
when you have so much horizontal
plucky ridge
YOU PUT MP3 ON WATCH
surreal otter
especially with dual monitors
gentle moss
i know how windows works xx
rough sapphire
no u
surreal otter
no me
gentle moss
at least like the little bit of ice of windows i see rooooiiight ahhhheaaaaad
rough sapphire
taskbards are bloat tbh
gentle moss
i autohide them on my desktop windows machines
surreal otter
I hate autohide
autoannoy amirite?
try clicking anything on the bottom and the damn thing pops up every time
but that's why we have these settings, to each their own. Some of us like torment, others do not
surreal otter
I can't even imagine how annoying autohide the topbar would be
All interactions with the upper right corner buttons I would fail
Call it the danger zone
all of em really
I thought autohide the bottom was bad, never considered autohide the top
gentle moss
okay so it's a discord bug
surreal otter
terrifying
gentle moss
every other program works with top bar autohide
rough sapphire
what's your opinion on global menu?
surreal otter
I bet it 'works' I can only imagine I'd constantly hit the top
and unhide it, instead of the thing I wanted ot
Which is why I like mine on the side and always there
global menu?
surreal otter
\
If it's 100% customizable, yes.
If there's an autofilled section by AI based on prior actions and general usage, definitely
But there's far too many buttons in the menus
and many menus have sub menus with more options
I generally love hotkeys
forest crane
gimme program ideas
viral panther
@forest crane
plucky ridge
@sand goblet You around? Can you remind me what the Python binary maker thing you were talking about was? Think it starts with an N
One of the alternatives to PyInstaller I think
Or might have been an alternative to stuff like Cython or PyPy
pine vector
Nuitka?
plucky ridge
Thaaaaaaaat was it
pine vector
i'm a good guesser.
sand goblet
Yep
plucky ridge
Well I was mixing it up with "Nukkit" which is some sort of Minecraft thing
Thanks, sorry for the ping
Trying to figure out if it'll be less of a hassle than PyInstaller
Although auto-py-to-exe does make it stupidly simple... hmm
pine vector
there's also briefcase from the beeware folks. they're large executables though from what they say, since its the full interpreter. (not sure of size relative to Nuitka, PyInstaller, etc)
sand goblet
Nuitka doesn't bundle the whole interpreter but it does build against it as a static library
plucky ridge
Can't remember what PyInstaller does
Whether it just gets the relevant bits or packs the whole thing
pine vector
i'd imagine the only other way is to binary a batch script or cmd.exe with a call to python.
plucky ridge
Which isn't an option since Python isn't on all the machines here at work
Just mine
Eh, I'll feel it out
Not overly worried
rough sapphire
just pay me and I'll port it to C
pine vector
i could be very wrong. i thought PyInstaller requires python to be installed...
plucky ridge
For something that changes the value of one registry value?
No, it packages it with it
rough sapphire
yep. that'll be a hundred bucks, please
rough sapphire
could be a oneliner, potentially
viral panther
"Useful"
plucky ridge
It is, trust me
viral panther
Useful is overrated
plucky ridge
It'll make the people here at work less pissy about the database transition
viral panther
Do what's fun instead 
plucky ridge
And that alone is gold
And honestly, this is fun to me
I don't get to code for work like... ever
viral panther
That sucks, but at least you have a job
viral panther
IT?
plucky ridge
Administrative Support. Kind of a catch all, really
Runner, office clerk, IT, whatever else they throw my way
Alright, remind me
In a function signature, a / in the parameters means everything after this is positional only, right?
Or am I misremembering
viral panther
I don't think I've ever seen a /
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge / is for positional, * is for keyword
plucky ridge
Cheers, that's what I thought
graceful basin
def fun(positional_only, /, either, *, keyword_only)
Shows how rusty I am
lapis gull
lol
pine vector
always pick Fiduciary...because then you get to say it a lot when it wasn't the correct choice.
rough sapphire
"Individuals @rough sapphire"
plucky ridge
tkinter
I didn't need anything fancy
I mean that's literally the entire extent of the program
pine vector
seems a good choice. i haven't looked at tkinter in forever. better than i remember.
graceful basin
pysimplegui is also an option for simple GUIs (duh). Even less code than tkinter IIRC, but less power
plucky ridge
It uses tkinter in most cases anyway
I used that one in a previous project and wasn't overly impressed with it
And I wanted to actually us tk for once. I keep avoiding it and I don't know why
It does the job
graceful basin
yeah, definitely looks nice
plucky ridge
I mean you can't say it doesn't look a bit dated, but for what it does and the program that it works with? Fits right in
The real concern is going to be if it throws the fit about it being unsigned and what have you
Which I'm sure it will
pine vector
most assuredly.
viral panther
What? You can be an undergrad and employed
rough sapphire
no i am not employed
rough sapphire
ok do you guys have a minimum age to have a job by your choice ?
honest star
You can update the style for tkinter to make it look less dated
graceful basin
[adam@DESKTOP-319402F elm-tower-tac-toe]$ fd
thread 'thread 'thread '<unnamed><unnamed><unnamed>' panicked at '' panicked at '' panicked at 'assertion failed: `(left == right)`
left: `22`,
right: `4`assertion failed: `(left == right)`
left: `22`,
right: `4`assertion failed: `(left == right)`
left: `22`,
right: `4`', ', ', src/libstd/sys/unix/thread.rssrc/libstd/sys/unix/thread.rssrc/libstd/sys/unix/thread.rs:::172172172:::212121
note: run with `RUST_BACKTRACE=1` environment variable to display a backtrace
thread 'main' panicked at 'called `Result::unwrap()` on an `Err` value: Any', /build/.cargo/registry/src/github.com-1ecc6299db9ec823/ignore-0.4.15/src/walk.rs:1294:17
```what even is going on hereand they say rust error messages are helpful
graceful basin
I am pretty sure this is the fault of WSL
rough sapphire
i have to admit, having like three threads panic at once produces some funny results @graceful basin
graceful basin
oh, that is why it is such a mess, the 3 threads raced themselves to report the panic
rough sapphire
Lol
surreal otter
In may they said it was a heart attack, they're finally gonna start looking for the killers now
I guess someone cracked open the casket?
noticed pieces of face missing?
Sorry for the interruption, just had to share the absurdity
hollow leaf
Corruption.
It could've been an assassination orchestrated by corrupt officials, tends to happen now. Witnesses are powerful when they are the right people.
soft violet
You'd think if you were going for a coverup angle, you'd tell the assassin to be a little more subtle than a knifing in the head.
plain slate
we'll just tell everyone he had really weird ear placements
soft violet
"Oh, it was done after he was dead to make us look bad. Slanderers go to prison!"
rough sapphire
Can someone please go make me coffee please... I'm too lazy...
It's a big process, please help me out.
Nevermind I did it!
topaz aurora
It's odd how I can only remember events starting from 2008
I'm pretty certain 2007 and 2009 didn't exist either 
topaz aurora
It's not that it's bad, because to be fair that's already been memed to oblivion but rather I just don't want to get into another language rabbit hole at this time
Last time I dove head-first into a rabbit hole I forgot how to Python
rough sapphire
I don't want to learn anything that's related to web development even if there's Node JS I still don't want to touch it, wannabe software engineer here. 🤤
Python and C allowed on my watch.
javascript is good for the web
Python good good for back-end.
electron is cool and all but javascript on the desktop has a lot of problems
rough sapphire
;-; I'm now scared of job interviews.
analog orchid
They’d prob define the Fib. sequence for you
rough sapphire
i might be able to figure out a Fibonacci, but it'd be a terrible idea to hire me
analog orchid
I love how this guy says he understands recursion, but then immediately says he doesn’t understand the Fib. sequence.
rough sapphire
All I know is how to write sorta valid Python syntax and not explain it lololol.
;(
Now that I think about it, programming is hard.
graceful basin
the goal with these is mostly to asses whether the employee can actually write code.
rough sapphire
i know ruby, but not ruby on rails, so its mostly useless
graceful basin
though honestly, in a lot of langs I use regularly I would not feel confident writing correct code on the whiteboard
rough sapphire
yeah thats true
analog orchid
I think they’d expect psuedocode
rough sapphire
I would be such a pussy even touching a whiteboard, I'd probably end up crying on the floor...
And looking like a loser, serious lol.
analog orchid
I think if people actually understand math, then they’ll find programming so much easier
topaz aurora
Meh, not really
rough sapphire
I suck at math.
id probably just mutter something about arrays for an hour before making some of the weirdest code you've ever seen.
Yikes
Well at least you'd make some progress...
analog orchid
I mean even the foundations of if statments are built off of basic proof techniques
graceful basin
but I always remember
(def fib (lambda (x)
(let loop((a 0) (b 1) (lim x))
(if (> x 0)
(loop b (+ a b) (1- lim))
b))))
And they can hire you into a team of programmers for backup that will write esoteric code.
topaz aurora
I mean, there are a few languages where concepts are deliberately inherited from mathematics
rough sapphire
Because that's the fastest way to deliver code.
analog orchid
I mean, there are a few languages where concepts are deliberately inherited from mathematics
@topaz aurora, yeah like all of them
topaz aurora
I was pertaining more to FP
graceful basin
agda is pretty much pseudocode
rough sapphire
you know i feel like languages are getting simpler and simpler, assembly -> C -> python so the future will just be pseudocode
topaz aurora
The future would probably be just an arbitrary human language
rough sapphire
No
graceful basin
the future is probably more like math
rough sapphire
No language, it will be automated by machines...
graceful basin
you just write a rough notational hint about what should happen and the language figures it out
rough sapphire
that'd be disgusting variables, "thing", "that", "the other thing" and "you know, the thing"
analog orchid
Does anyone here have any math background
rough sapphire
human language is not very program friendly
analog orchid
I wanna know if you found it really easy to pick up cs after proofs and other upper div material
graceful basin
also long. py A . B is a lot nicer than ```
the dot product of A and B
operators > words if you know their meaning
gentle moss
http://twitch.tv/beehivekay - Teardown of old laptop to diagnose hardware issue.
plucky ridge
@gentle moss Teardown with intent to put back together or are you just muderlizing it
plucky ridge
Gotcha gotcha
rough sapphire
Lol hii Hemlock.
rough sapphire
It goes well.
undone berry
@plucky ridge just curious - how goes you quest with Elm/other-fp-languages? I kinda want to learn something FP but can't decide on one
plucky ridge
I hit a wall on Elm (the guide just went from helpful to "Whelp, hope you know advanced concepts" really quick), but ReasonML is really fun
undone berry
@undone berry as someone that learnt programming and a second language, i can see why it's assumed there is overlap, however i can definitely say that someone that is good at learning natural languages isn't automatically great at programming. there's a lot of logic involved which probably related more to grammar structure. a lot of natural language learners don't focus so much on that and just get a feel for the language instead etc
@rough sapphire
(replying here because ot0 looks a bit clusterfucky)
Yeah, I'm assuming it's not that closely related - but I'm assuming there is a little overlap between the skills. I feel like programming skills lie somewhere between maths and natural languages
I looked at OCaml - which is apparently what Reason is based on, and it seems like it's got a lot of features. How are you finding it to learn?
storm juniper
Would you guys choose the iPhone SE 2020 over iPhone X? Say coming from neither of them
undone berry
OCaml, Haskell, and Erlang are the three that interest me - and they all seem pretty different
graceful basin
honestly, Elm will be a very painless introduction, but as hemlock said, intermediate resources are sparse. It is however the least complex language I know of by a pretty wide margin.
undone berry
I'm really not that interested in Elm - FP for front end just seems thoroughly uninteresting to me
rough sapphire
Last time I dove head-first into a rabbit hole I forgot how to Python
@topaz aurora I can relate!!
plucky ridge
I mean Reason and OCaml are very closely tied
But I think Reason is more approachable
And I really haven't played with OCaml itself
Just the Reason side
rough sapphire
I started learning JS a month ago. It is wasn't easy to pick up actually. So i decided to stop for a moment and go back to Python. Before you knew it i defined my python variables with the let keyword , used brackets in for loops and ended my lines with semicolons😂 🤣
cosmic lotus
lol I had that aswell going back of JS from Python
like a little hangover
what are you using to learn JS?
rough sapphire
😅
what are you using to learn JS?
@cosmic lotus Was gonna learn it to get better at front end. And maybe build a game with it.
rough sapphire
mhh yes
but i ended up buying Mosh's JavaScript course
correction: It got bought for me.
And then i was like: this is such i waste, I could've just googled Learn JavaScript and just learn it for free instead of letting her spend $160 on a course.
cosmic lotus
well yeah
Since you already know your first language the process of learning another should be much easier
rough sapphire
Mosh's course bundle includes a NodeJS course so when i decide to learn it. that's where i'll go. I Don't want to feel like i wasted money.
Since you already know your first language the process of learning another should be much easier
@cosmic lotus Yeah,
cosmic lotus
Well you already bought it so yeah it'd be a waste not to use it
are there refunds?
rough sapphire
imagine learning JS as a first language. It would be really painful. Don't get me started on C or C++😂
There is a money back garuntee
but you should use it in the first month
cosmic lotus
Imagine learning programming back in the day
using those gigantic computers where you punch out your program in a card to write it
topaz aurora
JS as a first language is a hit or miss
cosmic lotus
then send it to the computer to run it, then having to wait minutes, maybe even hours, and you won't know if you have errors until the program gets compiled
rough sapphire
having Python and JavaScript as skills on your resume looks like a nice combination.
topaz aurora
It's kinda like "I know JS, and JS is fun, but I want to learn other languages" and "I know JS, and JS can do everything, so I won't switch"
rough sapphire
then send it to the computer to run it, then having to wait minutes, maybe even hours, and you won't know if you have errors until the program gets compiled
@cosmic lotus Good thing i wasn't born back then.
cosmic lotus
Nah JS is like a big beast with many weird quirks
rough sapphire
The harder the languages is to learn the more powerful it is.
topaz aurora
JS is the definition of quirky
cosmic lotus
yeah it's used in a lot of things now (web, server-side, applications) but other languages are more suited for some of those tasks
topaz aurora
quirky
Colloquially and literally
cosmic lotus
There's already asm.js and WebAssembly, giving you the option to not even use Js anymore
topaz aurora
Looking into learning Rust specifically for WASM actually
graceful basin
there are also multiple FP langs that compile to JS
rough sapphire
I was going to learn one or two more languages after i learned JS. Dart(Flutter) and or C#, but..
i am not really sure now.
cosmic lotus
yeah rust seems pretty cool, wanting to learn it aswell, gives you option to use WASM
which should be a nice speedboost
Though I might go C++ first, it also compiles to asm.js WebAsm aswell
with emscripten
high verge
you could compile any windows 98 program to webasm
given that there's a windows 98 emulator for js
and i mean
anything
i'm just rambling about turing completeness now aren't i
rough sapphire
hmm
does that actually mean that anything that can run in windows 98 can be compiled to js?
any 32-bit program basically
or anything that can be emulated in that mode
plucky ridge
Probably. Performance would likely be the issue
rough sapphire
but that makes stuff like turning old dos games trivial I think
plucky ridge
I mean you can emulate anything, it's just can you get it to perform at the same level
cosmic lotus
I thought the JS gets compiled to asm then the win98 programs run in there
plucky ridge
Kind of?
I think @sand goblet was telling me that even the WASM stuff is being controlled through a .js file
(at least I think he was the one I was talking to about it)
sand goblet
WASM is just a binary representation of asm.js
cosmic lotus
Yeah it broke kind of weird
solid pollen
Yeah glass can't break that easily anyway
lapis gull
ok
solid pollen
Subway
sand goblet
sooubway
rough sapphire
lapis gull
lol
rough sapphire
Funny... Fuck you ISP.
solid pollen
high verge
you might actually need to use a vpn
rough sapphire
Why
high verge
since your isp's IP is blocked
rough sapphire
use TOR
high verge
i assume
rough sapphire
...
high verge
it's blocking known vpn ips presumably
rough sapphire
power cycle the router
My ISP changed my IP and now it has been detecting as a VPN IP nearly everywhere except Google.
solid pollen
F haha
soft violet
If people have coded things properly, it oughtn't last.
solid pollen
You can try to unplug your router and plug it back, on my ISP it changes my IP haha
rough sapphire
Unplug from the modem?
from power
It won't work...
if you have dynamic dns it will
No, like I want to change my public IP.
soft violet
Depends on how ip assignment system. You might need to be offline for the ip lease period.
rough sapphire
I'm talking about my public IP.
yeah power cycle your modem/router
I'm on DHCP.
Power cycle?
solid pollen
I do too
rough sapphire
turn off then back on
solid pollen
If my reboot my modem, my public IP changes
rough sapphire
Lol it won't work, my ISP is so shitty you even can't email them in order to change your IP.
you mean you have static dns
rough sapphire
I have DHCP.
solid pollen
Because they can't keep track of who as which ip
DHCP doesn't really matter, I guess
rough sapphire
No like, overall trash they'll ignore your emails nor respond...
soft violet
Not responding is poor form.
rough sapphire
Well I'll try to keep my modem and router unplugged while sleeping...
try that
I mean, they don't respond...
cosmic lotus
Call them?
rough sapphire
Idk if they receive my emails or what...
cosmic lotus
Probably because of the lockdown, most call centers are still closed
rough sapphire
I don't know their number and my mom doesn't want to give me one of their technician numbers...
probably just "sent them to corporate"
cosmic lotus
Same here aswell, even in other services like banks
rough sapphire
No, the "No respond" thing started like months before COVID.
cosmic lotus
Your best bet to contact them is go directly to a branch
rough sapphire
Yikes, I'm a socially awkward beta male I don't want to involve into technical talk irl yet.
👉 👈
cosmic lotus
👉 👈 You have to try, sooner or later you'd need it
Where in the world are you in with such terrible cus serv
rough sapphire
Probably, I'll just hope my mom calls one of their network engineers or whatever they're sending to fix the networking equipment and ask them.
Idk
cosmic lotus
Have you tried calling their support hotline?
rough sapphire
I might be sending to the wrong email since like this ISP has been bought over like 2 times? Idk.
I wished I knew the number.
maybe
cosmic lotus
They gotta have it in their website, flyers, manual, or somewhere
Assuming they have alright customer service and it isnt closed they might work it out from there
rough sapphire
I wanted to visit one of their nearest centers when school was a thing but was a pussy...
I just want a goddamn new IP.
cosmic lotus
I know, use NordVPN with code IAM90000DOLLARSINDEBT and get 1 month free
rough sapphire
Give me a router-level VPN code.
👉 👈
For free, pwease~
TOR, free proxy server, or a free proxy
proton VPN is free
I'm using it but you can't get it on a router-level.
pihole?
Can't afford
gentle moss
pi hole can run in a VM
rough sapphire
flash linux to router, openvpn
basically all the options have been mentioned now
Didn't my "can't afford" statement make it clear? 
I can't afford the processing power to even use Windows lololol how will I run another computer instance.
to the router
not the computer
But what if I fuck up getting the firmware or what the fuck is that on my router?
It can fail and can be permanent...
yeah
i know
idk why the you have static DNS
I have DHCP lol.
just reboot it
rough sapphire
Sorry I'm like 15, I can't learn networking nor how router settings work because there isn't like a single document I can read...
It's just a bunch of falsy statements on the internet in random places.
gentle moss
DHCP info is handed out at the request of the device
not the router
you get on a network and your device goes "hey can i have an IP?" and router goes "sure buddy. here's an IP, a gateway and a DNS server."
rough sapphire
im 17, not much difference
I'm lazy to like go around and atleast try to understand what the fuck is gateway.
seriously hard rebooting the router/modem should fix it
gentle moss
a gateway is the router
the router is the gateway
it's a gateway between two separate networks
it acts as a gateway between the two networks
rough sapphire
you get on a network and your device goes "hey can i have an IP?" and router goes "sure buddy. here's an IP, a gateway and a DNS server."
@gentle moss Ya, I understand this DHCP thing but my public IP isn't resetting, probs should leave the router off for a bit longer like 5 hours...
Oh
rough sapphire
Gates to the internet and my local network, ok lol. Gates...
gentle moss
Public IP leases can last upwards of months.
rough sapphire
Damn
gentle moss
depends on the ISP
rough sapphire
Yeah my ISP is fucking shit man.
gentle moss
some you can just yank the power to the router and get a new public IP
rough sapphire
It must be the best ISP out there...
gentle moss
you sure you're on a dynamic public IP too?
because if you're static you'd have to call the ISP to change it
rough sapphire
I'd love to get like 10 new IPs for every 10 times I get banned from a server lol.
plucky ridge
Having an ever changing public IP doesn't sound all that useful to me
gentle moss
oh, you're doing this for ban evasion?
plucky ridge
And the solution is simple, don't be a shithead and get banned
rough sapphire
No, I'm 100% sure my router shows DHCP.
gentle moss
(by probably i mean definitely)
rough sapphire
yeah DHCP is how the 192.168 ones are configured
rough sapphire
I am not wanting to change my IP over some stupid ban, honestly game bans happen from other network users so I'm technically allowed to bypass the ban morally because I wasn't the one that got banned nor I did something wrong but there are sites that literally grab IPs and I want to block those sites but in order to know that those sites do not know my new IP or anyone else because my sister is uh, yeah dumb well everyone else except me using this network, they like click on random things and shit then they get redirected to porn shit or some stuff and basically I don't want to have my Google account hold an IP that has been all over the place, who knows.