It shouldn’t be this rough
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
errant wyvern
actually microsoft has been getting quite good with open source.
@tulip palm and that's very suspicious
frosty mountain
hi guys,
when i update python i also have to update libraries such as pygame?
errant wyvern
they discovered gnu things are succeeding and then they be like "OMG WE LOVE OPEN SOURCE, OPEN SOURCE 4 LIVE OMG2
hi guys,
when i update python i also have to update libraries such as pygame?
@frosty mountain generally not
frosty mountain
@errant wyvern ok thanks
lofty dirge
Microsoft is also changing company
They are now a cloud company and good cloud doesn’t give a shit about what software you run but just that you run software in their cloud
gentle moss
[18:09] Rabbit: It’s very weak machine compared to PS4 and Xbox
complete change of direction from whatever was being talked about but i got done being distracted
AMD has played a blinder in the on-die GPU market
"APU" or whatever
rough sapphire
@lofty dirge
Diablo 3 on switch runs much better (with limited graphics) and its busier
Yeah, but a lot of things on the Switch are just ports.
Diablo 3, Outer Worlds, Witcher 3.
Final Fantasy 10/10-2
rough sapphire
Hey does anyone know how to move around the Android's file system using Termux? I want to host a Python bot on my tablet but can't seem to find a way to my destination which is my SD card.
I can't find any documentation aswell...
rough sapphire
Thank you!
@rough sapphire sdcard is at /sdcard
but you need to give external storage perms first, manually
Can I do cd /sdcard?
Oh
within the Apps menu in android settings
but otherwise
Can I do
cd /sdcard?
@rough sapphire yes
Tyty
1, 1, 1, 1, 1 problem, it gives me No such file or directory path. error.
Even if I copy a command from the wiki.
high verge
did you do the setup
rough sapphire
What setup
The you need permissions setup?
Wait
Yikes
I think my external is empty somehow???
Hm
I set my SD card to be the main storage thingy...
high verge
from reading the docs it says it makes a private folder for itself
so you're not reading the root filesystem on that sd card
rough sapphire
Yeah it points out to something com/termux/... path.
But I don't know how to do that nor can I find anything...
There's like 100 tutorials but that are on a different topic.
I think it has reading perms...
Wait, so it means that I can't access my SD card without root?
Dangit Huawei I hate u.
rough sapphire
Should termux-setup-storage prompt me to do anything?
Cause it does not do anything.
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire try executing echo $? when a command doesn't behave the way it's expected to behave. It returns the exit status of the most recent command
Ok
tulip palm
i somehow forgot that my hostname made its way to the ot names, but here we are.
sullen thorn
it's great lmao
tulip palm
no you're great
main mauve
has anybodys ublock origin been disabled by google?
feral yew
moist machine
rough sapphire
hi
soft violet
I am infrequently referred to as OpalMoist.
sand goblet
yes, the Source engine
gentle moss
hmmmmm
sure, why not.
giant robots.
wait wasn't stanley parable on it?
that highly acclaimed game i still haven't got around to playing
god damn, where my tab button broke on the last laptop i've developed the habit of trying to skip through tabs with ctrl+pgup/dn
but they're not by the arrow keys on this expensive slottable fondle slab
gentle moss
okay opinion time
double finger scrolling on a trackpad
if you pull it down the page should go.....
excellent we can close the poll now
gdude obviously laptopping from bed there
sand goblet
haha
the difference is basically moving the scrollbar directly vs touchscreen scrolling
sand goblet
don't throw it on the ground
high verge
Oh what's that from
Lonely Island!
MY DAD'S NOT A CELLPHONE MAN!
i threw it on the GROUND
gentle moss
"my girlfriend hands me her phone, says it's my dad. whaaaaat? you think i'm stupid? my dad's not a phoooone."
rough sapphire
happy birthday to the ground
gentle moss
kathy was a bit hammered once and wanted to listen to it but didn't know what it was called
so just yelled "PUT ON HAPPY BIRTHDAY FLOOR"
sand goblet
I know two people called exactly kathy
and seven or so people named Kat or a name starting with Kat
gentle moss
kath hates kat and her family all call her katie
she didn't know her name was kathryn until she was like 7
sand goblet
wut
rough sapphire
Quoi?
gentle moss
yeah g, i thought it was weird too :D
high verge
why would g4s say that
on their website
oh they're saying 'its dangerous thats why we parked on top of your grandma'
gentle moss
G4S: It's a wonder we still get government contracts!
high verge
shell spear
Interesting
stuck meteor
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what regex should i use for getting everything from "display:none;"> till </div>\n\n\t\t
rough sapphire
@stuck meteor parse the dom with something like beautifulsoup so as you are left with the inner string only. at that point it's just a | delimiter and you can handle that in several ways
prisma geyser
Hey there! I just got a thought:
Is it possible to develop something using ML that checks if a person is suicidal or not via determining it from their social media posts
high verge
you could try
but i would say it should then be passed onto a human to actually send a message
since a human can decide better
prisma geyser
Like, I read that almost all who did suicide posted some depressing posts or statuses on their social media before
high verge
hmm yeah
prisma geyser
Yes, once it possibly finds someone suicidal, it will inform a human about his condition & connect to him
high verge
maybe a reddit bot would be a good place to try that out
prisma geyser
Oh cool
high verge
and again i emphasise that it should go to a human for review so you're not just messaging random edgy people out the blue
rough sapphire
Honestly, people will go as far as posting bs on social media just to gain attention, they're not even suicidal.
high verge
yeah you'd really have to check
rough sapphire
Yup
high verge
but i'm sure a lot of people would appreciate you reaching out
also don't just post the standard suicide hotline stuff cause that's very robotic
prisma geyser
We can train it using their last few social media updates
I did check that most of em are depressing! A sudden change to lively social media life to depressing posts might mean something
Just 3-4 people
Generally celebrities
tame pier
While that's definitely a problem ML can solve, the implementation will be difficult.
Your algorithm is only as good as it's training data
The kind of data you'd need to have a good algorithm is sensitive personal information
Would make a good university study since they would have the ability to make the agreements needed to use that information to develop a algorithm
Honestly would not be surprised if there aren't a few studies done already
prisma geyser
True! I just wanted to know if ML could solve such an issue
tame pier
Short answer is yes it can
undone berry
I doubt it could meaningfully solve that issue. It's not particularly feasible to get the kind of data you need to do that kind of hting
tame pier
There's plenty of data
prisma geyser
Ya! Attention seekers will be a problem🤷♂️
undone berry
You need pretty high quality data, getting it from all spectrums of life, for both positive and negative classes. That's not at all easy to get
tame pier
You'd probably need to start with classifying posts using medical data and determining a score of how indicative a person with known history's post is of suicidal tendencies
undone berry
The only real way you could even do that kind of detection would be looking at a shift in the attitudes of an individuals posts
tame pier
Then use that to train a classifier for posts by unknown people
That would be interesting to see
undone berry
you very literally do
so you're saying you could do this with unsupervised ML?
there's no chance you could do this unsupervised
tame pier
If common identification is possible without a user's post context
prisma geyser
Okay! But what about private messaging apps like whatsapp and all, I can't get status updates from those apps cause it's private data
undone berry
what techniques would you apply with only positive samples?
for concept learning - you need class labels - class labels are meaningless if they're all the same class
i.e positive
high verge
well 'other class' examples
undone berry
oncept learning, also known as category learning, concept attainment, and concept formation, is defined by Bruner, Goodnow, & Austin (1967) as "the search for and listing of attributes that can be used to distinguish exemplars from non exemplars of various categories"
non-exemplars = negative examples
prisma geyser
Just searched about it. Turns out Facebook and other researchers are working on it since 2018!
Can't agree more
wheat lynx
negative examples are useless for concept learning
@rough sapphire Why is this? (I'm not questioning you, I don't know much about this stuff, I just don't understand why this would be true)
wheat lynx
That makes sense but why don't they make mistakes for negative examples? Surely if you only have positive examples then you would just classify everything as positive, you need examples from both sides so you can work out the difference, or am I misunderstanding you
rough sapphire
you can gain information by only having one types of examples too. you learn that they are all of a certain type. if something new is not "that type" then you can say with a pretty good certainty that this is an anomaly and whatever it is, it's not of the known class.
rough sapphire
dank
the initial hypothesis is absolutely nonsensical but you start removing things from it until it fits the evidence?
we're talking about concept learning right?
is this used in ML
rough sapphire
What kind of tutorials are valuable?
gentle moss
quieter in here.
undone berry
LPT: Never use ot0
gentle moss
that meta comment i made the other day about extra OT?
that'd be nice
but i'm feeling very authortarian today
1 new OT for people who have been here for at least 6 months
undone berry
that would make a lot of sense, but would require roles which staff wouldn't want to do
gentle moss
yeah, i can see the implementation problems
which is why i would never put it in meta
undone berry
something to make OT less ... less what it is right now would be good
sand goblet
role bloat is a real problem with real victims
undone berry
just shuffle ots randomly from time to time
That doesn't really solve the problem I don't think. First one in the list will always be busiest
just makes it harder to find old messages
undone berry
that would get irritating I think - but honestly, I'd vote for that to be a thing
gentle moss
i can see you've never done community management before
undone berry
just to try it out
sand goblet
they already almost have too many channel edits here
undone berry
does rearranging channels count for the limit?
undone berry
I get that OT isn't a priority for staff, but trying for some improvements would be nice
and the topic change one was such a small one that I really don't understand the reasoning against it
gentle moss
the "problem" as "i" see it is that OT gets used regularly by regular users who talk almost daily
and then shit gets all shitty fucking fucked
undone berry
I think it happens to new/irregular users as well. Just a small % of people on the internet don't think about whether there's an active convo or not and just dump there message in the first place
which I kinda get - this is a big and confusing discord
undone berry
yeah, dumping images in the middle of something is very irritating
gentle moss
the problem with conversation breakers is you can either acknowledge it
"hey, we were talking here, you just ruined it."
or ignore them
ignoring them isn't the best thing
but also highlighting their faux pas also derails the conversation
and i am a decent man
undone berry
Pointing it out is very awkward as well
you come across as rude sometimes which is bad
and if you're too polite, people don't even realise that you're asking them to move
undone berry
yes, but if you can manage it, the right response to rudeness is still politeness
gentle moss
i dunno what era of internet chat you grew up on, but i'd always sit and listen if i just jumped into a channel
see wtf is up
undone berry
That's the same as normal conversations - not just limited to the internet
royal laurel
derailing chat?
undone berry
you don't hop into a star wars argument and ask about your foot fungus
gentle moss
interrupting chat without consideration for current path of conversation
etc
yeah, i think we're all on the same page
but there's just no way to solve it other than...
other... than.....
user education
undone berry
Once you've spent enough time here, the problem is pretty obvious, but there are no solutions
well - there are solutions
but just not ones that staff will take (mostly because it would make other things worse, and OT doesn't matter)
undone berry
The only two methods you have for user education are channel topics, or some jankery with roles
and no one reads channel topics
gentle moss
that's a conversational skill
in real life AND the internet
i think it's actually easier to do on the internet
since there's an entire chat history
undone berry
The internet makes it very easy to jump into the flow of a conversation I think. You might have a false start or something, but it's not too bad
gentle moss
it's also easier to be a total dick on the internet lukas
royal laurel
I assume by that they meant a humidifier
gentle moss
i used to be a shitty edgelord when i was 14-15
before edgelord was what it was called
royal laurel
used?
undone berry
it's mandatory to be a shitty edgelord at 14 right?
gentle moss
i think it's avoidable
and pleeeasssseeeeeee.....
calling me an edgelord is an insult to my craft.
undone berry
I remember starting arguments calling vegetarianism dumb - very embarassing
gentle moss
nah, there's no edge, there's no hierarchy.
rough sapphire
What are IIRCs used for?
gentle moss
if i remember correctly.
undone berry
if i recall correctly?
gentle moss
IRC is internet relay chat though, it's the thing grown ups used to use to talk.
sand goblet
I remember before I joined here I was pretty edgy too haha
Total gamergator actually
Don't worry, I got better
gentle moss
well, you're young
rough sapphire
Are they used nowadays?
undone berry
iirc is just slang
sand goblet
You cute aki
royal laurel
:>
undone berry
it's a shorthand way of writing if i remember/recall correctly
gentle moss
i used to rig our counter-strike servers to rebind people's keys at random every 2 seconds
tiny things like changing fire to jump
rough sapphire
Yeah idk what it really means
undone berry
IRC is the chat protocol, yeah
and it depends what you mean by worth it
but, that's offtopic for this offtopic IMO. Ask in #networks
rough sapphire
Like, do people use it? Or do they just give a fuck about platforms like Discord?
sand goblet
People use it
gentle moss
hahah
sand goblet
sand goblet
It's not that good
undone berry
well, behind the scenes it's no longer doing IRC I don't think. You can connect to it with the IRC protocol, but they convert things
sand goblet
It's human readable though which is convenient
gentle moss
IRC is a protocol, the implementations you're talking about aren't all IRC
undone berry
the IRC stuff is mainly backwards compat for bots and people using twitch chats as chatrooms via IRC clients
rough sapphire
Uh, can't I just write the back-end and use fancy Electron as the front-end?
gentle moss
having fun typing gibberish?
undone berry
why do you want to write your own? As a learning exercise?
undone berry
IF it's a learning exercise, your best bet is to just go read about the protocol/clients for a while
rough sapphire
I thought IRC was some sort of a "style" of chatting.
undone berry
rough sapphire
That's the reason, I want something that has a ton of documentation so I can make that shit happen in hours. ;)
gentle moss
interesting use of IRC in the modern era: botnet command and control channels.
rough sapphire
Botnets, wha...
gentle moss
botnets need to talk to a master server, it's common for them to use IRC as a protocol
over port 80
rough sapphire
Why can't the owner of the bots just use a GUI and it will send the commands through the server to the bot/s?
high verge
what
rough sapphire
Ain't it convenient?
sand goblet
That's what they do
gentle moss
through what protocol?
rough sapphire
TCP
undone berry
send the commands through the server
that's what the IRC is for
high verge
it's not like each bot is running a fancy IRC frontend and typing in the messages with its little botnet fingers
its just as a protocol
rough sapphire
LOL
gentle moss
okay okay okay
rough sapphire
Then what's the point of me trying to learn IRC, if it's just TCP.
gentle moss
say you have malware on PC A and it wants to talk to Server
PC A is behind a firewall, so the Server can't talk in.
PC A needs to talk OUT to the Server
sand goblet
TCP requires a lot of manual work, considering you need a communications protocol on top of it
gentle moss
IRC is a basic protocol which can easily sneak out Port 80 (http)
sand goblet
So why not just use a nice easy one that already exists
gentle moss
so PC A connects to via IRC to the Server
rough sapphire
Oh ok
rough sapphire
Yeah the server can't reach the PC but the PC can.
undone berry
TCP/IP stack is something you should be aware of at a high level - just knowing that it exists
gentle moss
make sense?
gentle moss
uhhhh
no, that's not how this works.
you'd need the RAT on PC A first.
so it can CALL BACK
also i'm stopping here
because
!rule 5
rough sapphire
Forgot IRC is a chat protocol.
royal lakeBOT
rough sapphire
No, I don't have any malicious intentions just saying but oki.
gentle moss
prohtoekhal
rough sapphire
Prohtokol
gentle moss
i still win.
rough sapphire
Yes you do. ;C
undone berry
your is indeed a real word
rough sapphire
Your right.
undone berry
what's your address? is a simple example
gentle moss
oh that's easy
undone berry
for second person when addressing the speaker
gentle moss
uhhhh....
rough sapphire
Do you want my IP... Ahaha
gentle moss
it's not a real word, it's similar to how ghotti spells "fish"
undone berry
what is that address?
high verge
oh damn that's a nice house
well anyway my ip address is 127.0.0.1
if you want to know
rough sapphire
Gonna break into it, hold on.
gentle moss
tbh for about 10 years i was registering my domains to 1600 Pens Av.
rough sapphire
@high verge Please wait the fuck there for 20 mins.
undone berry
FACING.SAME.LIME is my address
rough sapphire
@gentle moss How to ddos someone?
undone berry
where I'm sat right now
royal lakeBOT
high verge
or alternatively http://definitelyareal.website
rough sapphire
Here's the IP: 127.0.0.1
high verge
is also my address
rough sapphire
Oh
high verge
ddos that website
rough sapphire
gentle moss
oh that's fine, the entire /24 range is pingable
i'll just ddos the whole block
oooh nooooooo
my... internall....llaaaattennnccccyyyy
rough sapphire
Bisk
undone berry
well - that is breaking rule 5, we can't know that domain is yours
rough sapphire
U ok mane?
high verge
@undone berry tracert ;)
gentle moss
hey charlie, do i seem fine?
high verge
undone berry
hey charlie, do i seem fine?
You seem averagely Bisk
rough sapphire
Lol
gentle moss
yup, there we go. i'm fine.
high verge
but people here have interesting things running on port 80 so telling them that there's a ctf at that address sometimes gives interesting results
high verge
nully the uliphant
gentle moss
nully the uliphant packed his /dev/ and flew out from JFK
he ate some geese
thought "shit yeet"
and dumped that shit in the water
rough sapphire
Give me your FTP server contents please~
rough sapphire
Bisk, don't bully me I'm just a child.
gentle moss
well happy birthday lukas
rough sapphire
Idk what's going on...
high verge
and we all float
gentle moss
getting old means you didn't die
which is a positive
you've got this fella
getting older feels weird
but we all ride it out
we all ride it out
undone berry
Birthdays are overrated - instead we should celebrate the day of the year in which we're going to die
just need to figure that day out...
gentle moss
i have your address
we can resolve that one
oh man charlie
i was digging in the freezer for food earlier
undone berry
I just gave my address down to a 10m^2 radius
gentle moss
was like "aw damn yes a chilli!"
then saw the message on it
"oh no, that's charlie's food...."
undone berry
haha - rip you
there is 0 chance I would have had the will to not eat that by now in your place
gentle moss
i want you to eat my food too much
undone berry
I'm not complaining - I also want me to eat your food
gentle moss
a love story better than twilight
undone berry
well - yes - but that's not too hard to achieve
undone berry
Is there actually a new twilight book?
gentle moss
oh god.....
undone berry
oh - it's just a new POV of the first book
rich rover
erm...what
gentle moss
yeah, my thoughts too charlie
rough sapphire
iirc lotr started like that too charlie
gentle moss
"it's been my 300th circle around this sun and i was getting bored. so i found this 17 year old girl....."
those fucking movies (not read the books) creeped me out with their relationship overtones already
undone berry
iirc lotr started like that too charlie
200yo vampire dude creeping over an American teenager in small town America
it sure did shift al lot
rough sapphire
frodo is just your average american teenage girl
undone berry
Scott, one of the staff of pydis, was in Twilight movie
@rough sapphire
Was Rami Malek in it or something?
rough sapphire
Hey is there a way I can create a generator that generates ASCII art out of an image?
yes
You can use different ascii characters as different brightness levels
so a whitespace is the brighest, and something like @ or # is the darkest
Then you compare those values with the brightness in the image
and set the appropriate char
O, sounds simple but how would I go around checking brightness in the image?
You can use a library like pillow to load images and check the pixels RGB values https://pillow.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
Oki thanks!
soft violet
Yeah. I've forgotten sometimes. Ours clicks as the thermostat turns it off and on, so at least there's an audio cue.
rough sapphire
mine's just a flame
rough sapphire
I actually prefer the gas ones. I know it makes no sense, but the food turns out tasting better
soft violet
Could be to do with heat travel patterns, if not your imagination.
Focused vs diffuse.
Flame hotter, maybe.
But you can turn it down.
More Maillard reaction with hotter, more direct heat.
sand goblet
Gas is far easier to control
sand goblet
Induction I want to try but you can't just go to a store and try it
rough sapphire
plain electric is huge waste of energy 😐
I mean... as soon as it heats up it all it matters to me.
you're heating things up that have no business heating
rough sapphire
what's ceramic? isn't that just electric?
sand goblet
It's electric but the element is ceramic
There's no glass top
Pan just goes directly on the element
rough sapphire
microwave ovens have a pretty good thing going on for them
they heat only the food
undone berry
Induction means you need to have all magnetic friendly pots. When we swtiched to it, had to get new everything
although it was very good
sand goblet
Yeah, that's a drawback
gentle moss
microwaves also heat certain types of clayware more than they heat food
undone berry
I once bet someone that a plate wouldnt heat up in the microwave, microwaved the plate for 3 minutes, then burned the fuck out of my hand
gentle moss
nice
high verge
Had you never like
gentle moss
i put some stuff to reheat in a little ceramic bowl once
high verge
Used a microwave
rough sapphire
Mix it long enough and it’ll heat up
undone berry
I mean - I have used a microwave, I was just too sure that my own incorrect theoretical knowledge about microwaves was correct
I thought they only heated up water
but that's not true
they just mainly only heat up water
rough sapphire
Sure
honest star
Welp, today's looking like a 6 hours of meetings kind of day.
plucky ridge
Eww
honest star
But! It's my only day with any sort of meetings. So at least it's out of the way early in the week
rough sapphire
What's the most longest time you've spent in 3AM trying to find your blanket's long side?
undone berry
@twilit marlin React is nice, Redux is a bit much and I feel like React could be simpler than it is - but React is by far the nicest way to make GUIs that I've tried
twilit marlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs1spSzwSPE
here's the source for pfp
undone berry
I've heard that both Ember and Vue are nicer than react, yet to try them though
twilit marlin
and, @undone berry, that's true
deep drum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UquPv9WpuB4 ah this is the one I watched
topaz aurora
Eyyyy cosMo
twilit marlin
Vue is pretty nice and i actually like it more than React but it feels like it's less scalable
probably would pick Vue for personal projects, and for bigger-scale React fits better
mostly because of JSX
rough sapphire
I wanted to start a nice topic and y'all fucked it up.
Get out of my channel.
Unwanted pests.
rough sapphire
It's rude to steal people away from my topic.
deep drum
lool
undone berry
it's a shitty joke
twilit marlin
anyway @undone berry afaik there's PassportJS package for taking care of auth
didn't use it but i guess it should make auth stuff bit easier
because it can be used directly in node
undone berry
that's backend right? My problem was using basic auth or jwt with React and getting it to the right places for making requests
it's not a massive problem
just an irritation
undone berry
auth as a whole with web stuff is just annoying
twilit marlin
well, i liked how django tackles on authentication
it's pretty easy in realization here
undone berry
passport looks pretty neat though - next time I try a fullstack node thing, I'll probably use this
twilit marlin
tieing it up with REST api though
yeah i'm practicing fullstack MERN rn
trying to recreate *chan, because it seems not so hard for first project
undone berry
screw the mongo part
undone berry
It has no real advantages over something like PGSQL, and the only reason to use it is alleged ease of use, but that ease of use falls apart after a year or two
twilit marlin
well, never used it in a long ride, so can't tell anything on that part
so far it fits the task, though
undone berry
It's worth learning though - a lot of jobs want it
twilit marlin
anyway, i like python backend development much more :(
but sadly, there's not much junior python web-developer positions
and i have 2 years before i gotta seek myself a job
so... yeah
undone berry
express is actually pretty nice for a rest API I feel
twilit marlin
it's nice, but it's really barebones, which is kinda problem
gotta implement a lot of solutions yourself and reinvent the weel
deep drum
just spent like friggin 10 minutes searching my liked videos playlist to find this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1iz4L-5zkQ
hate when you can't find a video
cosmic lotus
until you screw up the installation and the compiler speaks in gibberish
rough sapphire
Although I'm pretty sure my first line of Python wasn't valid syntax, yeah something like this:
Prnti("Hello world")```http://twitch.tv/beehivekay - building something in the garden.
rough sapphire
oh Beehave
thin dune
beehive *
solid pollen
Hmm 'kay
high verge
groovy baby
small fossil
@ everyone Ping in top.gg single handily causes a server outage nice
the Chaos is booming
plucky ridge
And they don't have it disabled there?
small fossil
They do
but new owner taking over
so out came the ping
down went the server
up comes the 100,000 people asking whats going on
plucky ridge
Discord, I swear to god you're just a mysteriously balanced stack of wet toilet paper some times
solid pollen
Hahaha
forest swan
that's amazing
lofty dirge
It make sense
Discord initial design development, you know, gaming chat for a groups of friends/clans in small numbers with voice, those bigger groups have forums and Teamspeak
Discord a little later: Oh shit
sullen thorn
i always thought it got marketed as a replacement for teamspeak?
sand goblet
Yup
rough sapphire
I thought it was Slack but for games
And Slack is IRC, but for work and with tons of multimedia sharing support
"It’s time to ditch Skype and TeamSpeak."
sand goblet
Don't use a broom.
rough sapphire
I don't, I use a scrubber.
undone berry
Discord is better than Slack for everything I can think of
only feature it has that Discord doesn't (that I care about) is threaded message replies
which no one uses properly anyway
I just stumbled across this - has anyone used it? https://mattermost.com/
undone berry
does it do voice?
sullen thorn
wait r u the networking guy gdude? thought it was bisk
sullen thorn
ah
lofty dirge
I've used mattermost, unless have really strict privacy controls, it's pointless
Slack is also better at corporate stuff like SSO and proper ediscovery
and Discord was one of those "Get rid of Skype/Teamspeak" for your small group of friends
undone berry
I just want a decent opensouce/free version of Discord
that can do voice+text reasonably well
Matrix with Riot/Synapse is the closest I've seen
lofty dirge
it came into being when Discord founders were making a MOBA and found the hassle of Teamspeak Server setup and hosting or just having Skype friend lists was ultra annoying
Charlie, it's hard to do it really well since A) Slack has proven people will pay for hosted version B) You need cloud resources to do it easily
so it's hard to package
LIke I remember talking to Microsoft people about Teams, they said hosted version was impossible because they were using so many Azure only services that made it impossible to develop on premise system
undone berry
iirc Discord at some point said they could do an enterprise version if there was interest
enterprise+self hosted that is
sand goblet
They said they would do it on Twitter but they would be maintaining it, it'd be the whole deal
lofty dirge
probably because they still run their own Cassandra DB servers
so not self hosted
Enterprise hosted makes sense they could do
self hosted would probably be a nightmare
undone berry
I'm surprised they haven't done that yet
with 'rona it would probably have been a great time to launch - and they were moving away from gamery stuff anyway
undone berry
well - slack is popular, just not profitable right?
lofty dirge
Between Google and Microsoft being "free", convincing people to buy your chat service is going to be a lift
undone berry
Well - Slack seems to be pretty dominant, and their free version is pretty not good
lofty dirge
it's not
Discord is eating it's free lunch
and many companies are looking at Microsoft offering and go "For free, good enough"
undone berry
I dunno, every place I've seen uses Slack
lofty dirge
G Suite offering is shit but so is entire G SUite
lofty dirge
Teams is fine, fuck SfB
undone berry
I've found Teams' usability to be just trash
lofty dirge
it's much improved
lofty dirge
I used to use it daily
undone berry
since March
lofty dirge
it doesn't work well for Uni
it's design is Teams working together
and for it to be one stop shop for that team, so all your documents, spreadsheet, wikis, tasks were all in Chat client
it's enterprise tool
undone berry
hm - I just dislike MS's approach to UX and UI design as a whole
everything is far too spaced out in every single MS product
except maybe office
it might be a tool with a lot of good features, I'm still very skeptical about the overall usability
at least for smaller enterprise stuff
lofty dirge
corporate != university
undone berry
yeah
twilit marlin
rough sapphire
What terrible crimes did you commit? @twilit marlin
lofty dirge
and it's integrated into rest of Office Suite you are already using
undone berry
but for a small scale business, it seems rubbish. Discord f.ex smashes it out of the park in terms of voice/text ease of use, and it's not that hard to live without the office integration
rough sapphire
looks like a text based rpg
twilit marlin
well... there was a bit of them @rough sapphire
that's AI Dungeon
lofty dirge
Charlie, oh but it is
rough sapphire
AI Dungeon is great
undone berry
I dunno. Nextcloud is pretty good and free
lofty dirge
like I can drop Excel file into Teams, it gets added to Team File tab and any future updates are stored
twilit marlin
@rough sapphire text-based RPG, but it's generated by GPT-2 neural network
also we probably should switch OT channel
lofty dirge
NextCloud requires you to run infrastructure, pass
rough sapphire
This is OT
twilit marlin
yeah but this one has ongoing convo
rough sapphire
true
twilit marlin
charlie keeps mugging me for interrupting :p
undone berry
well, for somewhere smallish/medium the hosting of Nextcloud is pretty fine/cheap
It's not just you - it's everyone. You're the exception in that you actually listen when it's pointed out - which is great
lofty dirge
for business, it's comes down to, You already have Office365 unless you went Google, you want me to pay for something else when X works fine
hard for a business to swallow
undone berry
Yeah, I guess
lofty dirge
because for almost all businesses, that is your two options
G Suite/Office365
and my current company just converted to G Suite, I was like "Yes, no more Office" and now I'm like "Fuck it, I'll take Office, I thought it couldn't get any worse, I was wrong"
plucky ridge
sounds pretty sweet, g
lofty dirge
UI isn't consistant, G Mail is fine for consumers, awful for enterprise, it's all browser based which results in massive amount of RAM/CPU usage out of Chrome (my chrome.exe are up to 15% CPU and 1.7GB of RAM)
you know what I want, Labels for my email said no one ever
undone berry
oh yeah, gmail for anything heavy seems like a pita vs Outlook
lofty dirge
My work computer
undone berry
well - part of the problem seems to be that your work gives you a shit computer
lofty dirge
And if I start up meeting, it skyrockets
Agreed
But converting me to G Suite is part of the issue
undone berry
seems like switching is the worst of every world - people don't like learning new things
lofty dirge
it's not "It's new" it's the fact that Google released this "Hey, great for consumers thing" because they wanted to mine more data then some CTOs wanted to buy it
rough sapphire
Hm
Can anyone please give me a list of PIIs?
I'm trying to make a bot that prevents members from sending any potential PII.
rough sapphire
Personally Identifiable Information.
rough sapphire
I don't know what is considered PII.
gentle moss
it's very informative
rough sapphire
I hope it lists what info is considered PII.
rough sapphire
That other site you sent me was a fucking bloated shithole lmao.
gentle moss
the first?
gentle moss
iirc it's written by a professional on compliance
that would've educated you on the entire concept rather than "what good what bad"
undone berry
yeah, seems fine to me
rough sapphire
Yes
gentle moss
i think you may have some internet problems o_O
undone berry
literally 0 ads
rough sapphire
Do you have an ad block?
gentle moss
let me turn mine off
undone berry
That's the adblock turned off
rough sapphire
Right, now I have to find out how to find out if someone posted an IP address...
Oh
Idk, I have no ad block like at all on because mobile Chrome doesn't support ad block or extensions.
rough sapphire
WHAT
rough sapphire
HOW CAN I BE TARGETED TO LIKE 100 POP-UPS...
graceful basin
malware maybe
gentle moss
sounds like you need to clean house
graceful basin
I have had ad malware before
rough sapphire
. . .
rough sapphire
I reset my tablet like 3 days ago.
plucky ridge
Wait, popups are still a problem?
rough sapphire
Yes
plucky ridge
I honestly can't remember the last time I've had one
oak tangle
I was just thinking the same
rough sapphire
Yikes
oak tangle
I remember them from years ago
My mother installing a "fancy" toolbar
stuff like that
plucky ridge
What kind of shady places are you visiting, Null?
gentle moss
i only get popups in the morning
undone berry
popups now are push notifs mostly
gentle moss
or if i a see a thicc tree
plucky ridge
@gentle moss Bad
undone berry
not really a popup
rough sapphire
I download genuine apps from Google Play Store c'mon ...
undone berry
but websites demanding you accept push notifs are a problem for old people
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Then you did it to yourself
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge I'm 15 so nothing shady... ;)
gentle moss
so that's everything shady
plucky ridge
Yeah, if you're winky facing at the end of a sentence, you get what you deserve
gentle moss
without the experience to prevent yourself getting cookie destroyed
rough sapphire
Yeah, my grandma always enables everything, no wonder her laptop has like 100 ads from some shitty ass recipe sites.
undone berry
I can't think of pretty much any sketchy app I'd even want to download
I just don't understand some people
rough sapphire
I only downloaded Discord, what's wrong...
plucky ridge
This suuuuuucks
undone berry
what suuuuuucks?
plucky ridge
Sitting here waiting to hear from IT
gentle moss
you used a browser to access shit on the internet without having a proper adblocker or cookie policies
plucky ridge
Can't go and do errands because I need to be here to troubleshoot
gentle moss
Hi, this is IT.
plucky ridge
So I can't run errands, so I'm all jacked up
gentle moss
Do you have your ticket number ready?
rough sapphire
@gentle moss What can I do when Android Chrome sucks.
gentle moss
idk. i use computers for the internet
rough sapphire
Not my problem, nor do I trust my browsing history anyone else than Google and their data consuming partners...
I browse docs through my laptop.
gentle moss
well you've achieved something
rough sapphire
I have a different Discord on my laptop, it's not like I can copy and paste the url from my tablet onto my laptop.
gentle moss
this is a good opportunity to look at your practices when using technology
plucky ridge
"A different Discord"
plucky ridge
Please stop that
rough sapphire
;)
plucky ridge
Seriously, I'm not in the mood today
rough sapphire
Aw oki... <3
plucky ridge
A lot on my plate
rough sapphire
Wink, wink.
gentle moss
like when you put your thumb and index finger over someone's head
plucky ridge
It's because I'm imagining the beard itself winking
"Crush crush crush I'm crushing your head!"
rough sapphire
It's always the beard that's good.
rough sapphire
@gentle moss
gentle moss
boo, bad timing
gentle moss
plucky ridge
Magnificent
gentle moss
you can feel the passion
rough sapphire
I can't even watch it... Discord is being slow...
LOL
Wink wink wink with a beard.
undone berry
something about that video is fucking majestic
rough sapphire
I like that beard, it's so pretty...
gentle moss
i grow beard easily.
undone berry
compared to your trellis making, something has gotten even more majestic. I think the background is what plays a part in it
sullen thorn
jesus christ is that you bisk?
rough sapphire
Hm
gentle moss
yes, this is bisk; jesus christ.
rough sapphire
Erm
Can anyone please tell me how long and short can IP addresses go?
Like
Can they be 69,169 this short?
plucky ridge
0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255
graceful basin
ipv4 that is. ipv6 is more complicated
plucky ridge
Yep
rough sapphire
But most of the internet now rocks IPV6
graceful basin
I really need to start using ipv6 in my projects
gentle moss
0 blocks aren't assignable
nor are 255
so every range is actually 1 to 254
255 is reserved for broadcast and shit or w/e
rough sapphire
I want to create an IP address detector but I don't know how IP can look like.
Like mine is this long 00.000.000.00.
plucky ridge
194.168.x.x is reserved for local ip, right?
rough sapphire
Yes
plucky ridge
192
gentle moss
192.168.0.0/24
plucky ridge
I derped when I should have herped
rough sapphire
Derp
gentle moss
172.16.0.0/16
10.0.0.0/8
private spaces defined in RFC
and some 169 addresses are also reserved
for "idk wtf my IP is"
graceful basin
the grammar for IP addresses is \d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3} afaik
gentle moss
that'd pretty much do it
rough sapphire
Yeah I want to use RegEx.
gentle moss
are you looking in logfiles?
high verge
an ip address will be x.x.x.x, where x is any number from 0-255
as a possibly simpler explanation
gentle moss
\d{1,3} would capture A LOT of stuff
high verge
idk if regex can even do that
gentle moss
including 999.999.999.999
rough sapphire
Hm
gentle moss
regex can do that
graceful basin
no, only up to 255
rough sapphire
Oh
high verge
0 or 1 or nothing then 2 digits OR 2 then(( 0,1,2,3,4 then a digit) OR (5 then 0,1,2,3,4,5)
gentle moss
you're probably going to want uhhhhh
rough sapphire
Idk cause I find it the most easiest method?
high verge
but not for everything
don't try to tighten your relationship with a girl with a wrench
i learnt that the hard way
rough sapphire
Also I don't really know HOW I'll detect someone's IP with a bot...
gentle moss
arg kill me why do i do this
(?:(?:25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)\.){3}(?:25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)```there
that's a proper regex for validating an IP address
rough sapphire
Let me check. <3
gentle moss
something may be wrong with it, but fundamentally it is the thing
rough sapphire
Wait, I am confused...
Looks like RegEx but since I haven't wrotten any RegEx before I am confused.
There's also alot of things...
gentle moss
you COULD
but then some guy from the 1970's is going to come and beat you with a club
rough sapphire
Yikes
graceful basin
I think this is the first raku grammar I wrote that actually looks readable
gentle moss
okay so null, here's a key part
if you know your data ONLY HAS VALID IP'S in
you can use lak's earlier one
rough sapphire
Hm
gentle moss
\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}
since it's basically capturing number groups
which is what an IP is
rough sapphire
What do you mean by only like the message has only the IP in it and nothing else?
gentle moss
4 lots of 1 to 3 digits split by a stop
rough sapphire
Yeah
rough sapphire
Well, honestly those 00.00.00.00 numbers could mean anything not just IPs...
gentle moss
the one i posted checks the RANGE of each octet
rough sapphire
Hmmmm
gentle moss
you probably want to do a bit more research
graceful basin
honestly, I would just use mine and check it manually
rough sapphire
Hmmmm
gentle moss
that's what i do lak
but i'm only using my regex on log data from firewalls / servers
which already filter out invalid IPs
rough sapphire
This is actually complicated than what I initially thought...
graceful basin
all(int(n) < 256 for n in possible_ip.split('.'))
Frick