as i said before, you've got to be careful with iball replacements
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
gentle moss
sand goblet
I'm picking you up and pulling you out of this conversation before you distract them too much :>
Leave em to their balls
royal laurel
LMAO the jealousy bug
rough sapphire
wat
undone berry
It's an open conversation - just an open conversation about electric iBalls
gentle moss
if it becomes too much of a rich folk thing then you're just going to cause socio-economic damage (long form for "fuck the poor")
undone berry
yeah - cybernetics are unlikely to ever work out all that well
gentle moss
so i propose socialised iballs
undone berry
in the current society
gentle moss
you'd end up with deus ex
sand goblet
Are we talking like augmented vision? That's some Artemis Fowl shit
I'm down for that
undone berry
hah
royal laurel
You already wear glasses
undone berry
I'm the real big brain - I didn't get eithe reference
rough sapphire
like tea bagging in halo
undone berry
all I know is one is a book and one is a game
gentle moss
haha, nice charles.
rough sapphire
those types of eye balls
sand goblet
@royal laurel Yeah but what if I wore two pairs of glasses at the same time?
royal laurel
Tea bagging but it's eyes?
gentle moss
i already did a teabagging joke neon :(
undone berry
how do you propose the socialisation of iBalls?
rough sapphire
you're ahead of the curve, bisk
gentle moss
well they must be produced by the state
royal laurel
@sand goblet that's a double negative
sand goblet
The freer the market, the freer the eyeballs
gentle moss
at first, don't allow anyone to get 2 augmented eyeballs
until everyone has 1 augmented eyeball
undone berry
how do we decide the ordering of the first set of eyeballs?
undone berry
ah yes - the same as the schooling system
gentle moss
you think people in kensington need good eyeballs?
rough sapphire
what is the augmented eye ball going to help with?
gentle moss
they live like 5 meters from where they work
undone berry
Honestly - I think I'm fine with only having the one eyeball
gentle moss
i'd like to fix my left
undone berry
I'll keep the right one as is and fix the left - yeah
undone berry
Why is it always the left eye thats fucky?
gentle moss
but that might be a neurological thing
undone berry
mine is the same, pretty much blind
gentle moss
hmm... seems common.
the way my optician (or the proper medical equal) explained it was....
undone berry
I can't even read with my right eye closed, can read as normal with the left eye closed. That's why I want the left iBall
royal laurel
I know one of mine is fucked but I don't remember which
gentle moss
your brain has an eyesight register that may contain 14 "blocks"
it SHOULD distribute them 7/7
between the eyes
sand goblet
Yeah my left eye is also fucked
undone berry
I have no idea what the X/Y (e.g 20/20) numbers mean
gentle moss
the left can't see shit.
oh that's like a charting system
range at which you can see a symbol
etc
royal laurel
I know one of my eyes needs +0.75 and the other +1.25
So clearly one is very bad
Although the other
Is bad too
gentle moss
i don't know my numbers
royal laurel
My eyes are bad
sand goblet
My left is bad enough that they didn't bother to correct it
gentle moss
we have doctor's for that.
they tried to fix mine with a patch
and it made it worse
\o/
undone berry
Yeah - i'm all for leaving the eye details up to the doctor
sand goblet
Oh yeah I did that too
gentle moss
although, that being said charles, i see more and more online services that do glasses
and they're cheap
all you need is your prescrip
undone berry
Apparently we all have very similarly shit eyes - I had a useless eyepatch as a kiddo
gentle moss
but i also blutac old lenses into normal sunglasses
so i shouldn't be considered an authority on eyes
undone berry
I looked at once recently for a friend, but they didn't seem that much cheaper than normal
gentle moss
except iEyes
rough sapphire
@gentle moss eye patch before the beard or after?
undone berry
you mentioned that blutac strategy ages ago, and I still haven't forgotten it
rough sapphire
baby pirate
undone berry
I 100% intend to try that
gentle moss
yeah, just use your last script or your junk pair
pop the lenses out and just stick em in
works great
gentle moss
i try to keep as many spares as i can
i don't know where my current spare is
so if these fail i'll have to walk around in sunglasses.
undone berry
for a very long time I managed to always have at least one spare, not sure what happened to the last glasses though
rough sapphire
do you know anyone that actually uses reactions?
undone berry
My mum has them - hates them though
sand goblet
My mom likes hers
undone berry
they never manage to get it quite right
so she just ends up not even using distance glasses, and wearing normal sunglasses
sand goblet
My glasses were actually supposed to be reading glasses but I just ended up keeping them on because they improve everything
rough sapphire
nothing like wearing sunglasses on a wet and rainy day because of some glare off of the road surface
undone berry
my mum is a driving instructor, so she ends up just wearing sunglasses all day every day
although - as an aside back to the original conversation - I'm kinda curious as to what you'd actually want iBalls to do
seems like there's not that many features you'd want in them
rough sapphire
oh god, imagine if they turned black for sunglasses mode
rough sapphire
no reason to stop at black. brown/blue tint... or yellow for night driving
on that subject has anyone tried yellow lenses for driving at night?
undone berry
what? anti glare stuff?
for not being blinded by bastards with headlights that only have settings for main beam and laser beam
if so - no, but it is an appealing concept
sand goblet
Mappy AR stuff, better night vision, zoom
sand goblet
Vitals tracking
undone berry
yeah - alright, there's a bunch of stuff that iBalls could do
gentle moss
Urg, phone being shit
sand goblet
Maybe recording but that would be a privacy nightmare
undone berry
I'm sold, get the melon baller!
rough sapphire
larger colour spectrum would be great
sand goblet
So would your iBalls have an app store?
rough sapphire
d-i-why
gentle moss
script from the back
undone berry
the why here is pretty obvious - script sunglasses are expensive as dicks
gentle moss
jesus christ you try getting those raybans in script
rough sapphire
i like peripheral vision too
gentle moss
they're the men in black raybans
undone berry
peripheral vision is nice - but I'm willing to lose out on it if it saves me £££
rough sapphire
it comes down to priorities i guess @undone berry 😄
rough sapphire
this is flirting is kind of creepy
gentle moss
tbh charlie i did the same with aviators
undone berry
At no point in my life have I been able to really wear sunglasses - I'm kinda curious as to how what it's like, but not enough to drop a bunch of money on script ones to begin with
gentle moss
it's harder, because you have to position the lens inside right
but it still looks fine, since most the light is blocked / reflected
sand goblet
Hey man I have to wear goggles when I'm cutting some kinds of onions
high verge
i have some solid kid's looking ones, which i occasionally use but basically never actually wear in public
royal laurel
I don't have glasses even though I know exactly what glasses I need
rough sapphire
is that you bisk?
gentle moss
no.
sand goblet
I was wondering that actually Aki
sand goblet
Ain't that the truth
gentle moss
the bans look good also
royal laurel
Long hair bisk long hair bisk
gentle moss
you can't tell you've just blutac'd lenses in.
royal laurel
undone berry
I gotta say - you look almost exactly like one of my old IT teachers in that photo
rough sapphire
good age
undone berry
17 is ancient for a dog
well - maybe not for a spaniel
I've never really had small dogs
gentle moss
they usually die earlier
they have this problem with their head being too small for their brain
due to aggressive shit breeding.
undone berry
what breed was tiddles?
gentle moss
cockerspaniel
undone berry
looks too curly
gentle moss
rejected by a breeder.
undone berry
They need tonnes of exercise I hear
gentle moss
destroy shit loads of stuff if you
rough sapphire
they sound just like bisk
gentle moss
yeah, if you don't walk them
undone berry
Best dog I ever had was a great dane, 10/10 lapdog
gentle moss
i only jump in medical waste bins neon.
rough sapphire
i have some questions
gentle moss
it's the drugs in the limbs.
undone berry
pretty sure on average the main drugs you're gonna get from medical waste bins is gonna be rubbish stuff like insulin
rough sapphire
my sleeping rhythm is messed up at the moment
undone berry
ah - fair - I feel that
rough sapphire
i'm in the process of fixing it
undone berry
I fixed mine like a week ago and am now breaking it again. Enjoy your movie
gentle moss
WRONG, it's fentanyl
used before most surgery
you can suck it out the bone marrow
<_<
undone berry
huh - I did not know what
I always thought of fentanyl as just extra sketchy heroin
gentle moss
nah, it's shorter acting stronger heroin.
they dope you with it before they put you under
it's a shame though
it'd be nice if they took out more eyeballs for my research
my/more edit, i can't do research with no eyes.
OR CAN I
undone berry
this is whats wrong with todays generation
gentle moss
not taking their eyes out?
undone berry
not willing to pull eyeballs out by the bootstraps
gentle moss
haha
in this day and age i'm surprised more people aren't resorting to iBalls
your own neuronetwork to filter shit you hate
do it for hands as well though, then i don't have to see the grease on the fork or feel it.
dirty cutlery makes me fucking mad.
undone berry
The idea of hiding the dirt is horrifying to me
at that point - I'd just be assuming everything was filthy
gentle moss
yup, but as we've been through before some people just can't wash up
undone berry
if you're gonna do that - lie to me and tell me you're not doing that oh mighty iBalls
gentle moss
you'll never know
we'll live in a world of filth charles
we'd be none the wiser
a glorious wasteland of greasy fork handles
and curry marked plates
undone berry
honestly, just the words "greasy fork handles" makes me slightly uncomfortable
gentle moss
welcome to my fucking life
that's why i don't let kath wash up
or at least, try to do it before she does
never washes the handles.
undone berry
maybe you should just get rid of the handles
just move to a world of having only tines
gentle moss
in her books it's be doing a chore, in my books it's me not having to handle greasy fork handles
what... eat like wolverine?
sand goblet
Fork 'andles or four candles?
sand goblet
Charlie might not haha
gentle moss
i thought of it when i wrote it
sand goblet
Nothing like the Ronnies
undone berry
Honestly, it didn't click til G pointed out it was a joke
but I have seen the sketch
sand goblet
I still think the one they did where they spoke only in single letters was great
gentle moss
i believe patel put the four candles sketch on the admission exam
what g? f u n e x?
s. v f x.
sand goblet
Yeah that one
gentle moss
it is good
sand goblet
"Here are some examples."
undone berry
gentle moss
until the sexism right at the end
sand goblet
I don't remember that
gentle moss
small sexism, but still a sexism.
called her a silly cow or something when she'd really only been a bit part.
bit of a sexism.
gentle moss
old stuff is good but has to be viewed through a filter. i watched some not the nine oclock news with the miss earlier and had a few "oofs" at the jokes
gentle moss
morecambe and wise
undone berry
There was a big hoohah about Little Britain and the only gay in the village bits. And Matt Lucas did a great job of explaining why this stuff has to be taken in context
gentle moss
yeah
gentle moss
they did the stripper.
sand goblet
That's right
gentle moss
exactly, it's context.
gentle moss
nn g
sand goblet
You two better not still be awake when I get up
gentle moss
when i watch older media i tend to try and remember what the situation was in that period of time
no chance, i'd get beaten by the wife
(that's from the irish 1990's)
undone berry
tbh - thinking about it - comedy nowadays does a pretty great job of joking about racism and sexism without actually being racist or sexist
gentle moss
i think that's true
undone berry
now I find myself wanting to go watch some standup
gentle moss
i think having greater awareness helps
undone berry
but at the same time - it's 2am
gentle moss
watch stewart lee
he'll be funny for like 20 minutes
then go on for something far to long for 60 minutes
which will put you to sleep
as a note: i do love stewart lee.
the "comedy vehicle" series he did was a fine piece of stand up packaged into something the BBC could market
and it's all on iplayer.
undone berry
was just looking through youtube/netflix/amazon for something of his to watch
but that sounds easier
gentle moss
4 seasons of it. i think 8 episodes a pop.
maybe 6.
fundamentally it's his stand up, but packaged differently.
sullen thorn
🤔🤨
If I wanna ask about asyncio implementation details, is #async-and-concurrency the right channel? Or do I go to #internals-and-peps ?
blissful moth
i personally prefer beesechurger
tranquil orchid
hard dew
unkempt dew
latent scaffold
I've been trying for half an hour to come up with a formula for something and's driving me crazy
I suppose this is one of those situations I should've paid attention to in math
sullen thorn
U not gonna elaborate on what the formula does?
rough sapphire
Why is it too hard to rdp from linux to a windows machine ?
soft violet
What client are you using?
I've always found RDP to be pretty damn stable.
Not that I've had to use it in a while.
rough sapphire
I have used rdesktop
it is having issue so
I am gonna do it old way. using teamviewer
soft violet
I use remmina as a client.
solid pollen
Is zoom a valid client haha
dire cave
no more ig
rough sapphire
ok one arch linux question
this one
How can i install it ?
sudo pacman -S scrcpy
returns error: target not found: scrcpy
that's the aur
you either download the source and compile it yourself with makepkg or you use an aur manager like yay @rough sapphire
gentle moss
hey xx
Do you think "hacking" should be taken out the #cybersecurity channel descriptor?
Just a thing I thunk
rough sapphire
ok i now have yay
but unsure how can i install it ?
got it
nvm
Whats the big differences between Apt und pacman
Do you think "hacking" should be taken out the #cybersecurity channel descriptor?
@gentle moss I think it should be rephrased to something among the likes of "Preventing getting hacked", or something
gentle moss
it sort of does give the wrong impression
i know to those in the know "hacking" isn't "lolz i in the mainfraym", but that definition doesn't spread
gentle moss
might fix another appliance today
hmmm
oh hey, these jeans are an appliance and the crotch hole is going
i should do some sewing
i sat down last night and a bollock popped not, but they're good jeans
sand goblet
Today on, Bisk Ruins Jeans By Adding A Codpiece..
sand goblet
The only way is Essex? I thought that died a death
rough sapphire
oh fucking boy
200M node_modules dir to "compile" 1 (one) 300-line javascript file
i hate computers
sullen thorn
Probably idk I never watched it, but zoom call has towie as a theme, and idk how to dress :/
Lol that’s unfortunate
(Unless that one file is the js equivalent of spring-boot or something similar)
rough sapphire
nope
can't get into what it does but it's pretty basic
also most of the generated .js file is directly copied from src/[thing].js
so... like...
why the FUCK do we need a 200M node_modules dir!?
gentle moss
@sullen thorn i think basic sewing skills are an essential skill
rough sapphire
very true
gentle moss
something as simple as sewing on a button can be a life saver
rough sapphire
I also need to fix my levis jeans…
I'm still disappointed, bought this last year and it's already got a hole.
Jeans used to be sturdy
sullen thorn
What have u been doing with them?
sullen thorn
U guys wearing these jeans farming or rock climbing or something?
I’ve never had a hole in any of my pairs of jeans
rough sapphire
I guess the fabric was too thin to begin with
my last ones ripped from the crotch
got a whole in the lower crotch area
was an embarrassing train ride home
gentle moss
sullen thorn
They pre ripped?
sullen thorn
Ah ok
gentle moss
i used to skate in them
rough sapphire
oh wow you were a sk8r boi
gentle moss
oh no, don't u c me later boi
sullen thorn
U can’t really expect a pair of standard jeans to last 15yrs can you? (Without holes)
gentle moss
i mean to be fair they've held up well
i've got another pair of cargos i used to skate in that never even ripped
except at the feet end because they were a bit too long
rough sapphire
yeah i used to have that
rough sapphire
one day i learned that you can actually like
fold the bottoms of your feet sleeves up
or whatever they're called
singular pant
rough sapphire
my current ones were designed for that
gentle moss
besides "looks a bit like a junkie" is my style
rough sapphire
they actually have a little reflector on the inside
rough sapphire
suppose so
actually they were advertised as biking jeans
they're hydrophobic as well
gentle moss
would make sense to have reflectors on them
should prooooobbbabbllyyy take these off before sewing
gentle moss
well that's complete.
sand goblet
Nnnnoicccce.
gentle moss
http://twitch.tv/beehivekay - fixing the hoover.
plucky ridge
Little silver discs? Washers?
wheat lynx
"Who the hell is still watching this" 
plucky ridge
Something happen with your vac, bisk?
gentle moss
it's making a rattle sound
plucky ridge
Probably a snake
rough sapphire
quite the handyman
undone berry
@plucky ridge As you're the admin who seems to be the most active in OT channels, do you think it's reasonable to change the topics to change Keep it clean, folks! to something a bit more useful like There's 3 OT channels, try and choose one without an active conversation?
plucky ridge
Yeah we could probably make it a bit more descriptive, especially with the increase in activity
I'll run it up the flagpole real quick
undone berry
Checked yesterday, and ot0 gets 5x as much talk as either of the other two
thats not necessarily a problem
but what is a problem is conversations getting interrupted
sullen thorn
Can we add another ot channel? I wanna see the chaos it causes 🙂
It’ll be completely new
undone berry
I don't see why there would be any chaos
and as the stats show - there's not even really that much call for one
if ot0 can handle 15k messages in a week, ot1/2 could step up from their 3k before a new one needs to be added
it's pretty rare that there's 3 convos active at once
plucky ridge
Also I'd really not have to add another channel to the moderation work load
ELA raised a couple good points when I ran your suggestion through the mods channel, Charlie. First, that people rarely read channel descriptions anyway (which is fair). Second, we don't want to have to add another moderation rule just for the off-topics
I'll see what the others say, but they're both fair points
undone berry
well - channel topics aren't necessarily rules right? The try qualifier seems like it makes it not a rule
plucky ridge
That was my counter point to his
rough sapphire
the channels topics might as well not exist
undone berry
https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/719341303628038166 and it seems like it's gonna end up with less overall moderation work, preventing things like this
plucky ridge
It's still early, I'll wait to see what people say
undone berry
not gonna go much
plucky ridge
That's assuming people read the description and follow what it says, though
undone berry
but might prevent it happening 10% of the time
plucky ridge
There's no real evidence that it will be read at all
undone berry
there's also not that much evidence that it won't be read
for the people who do read channel topics
that's not apparent
it's only people who don't read channel topics who are noticable
plucky ridge
I know, I know. I'm kind of with you on this. I just want to see what other staff say
rough sapphire
this is why Hem stands for He's everyone's moderator!
plucky ridge
Dude, I can barely sort out my apartment
oak tangle
Hem's still a Lord in my mind
rough sapphire
we're talking about how OT0 is always overcrowded in OT1
Ves responds to that in OT0
thanks ves, very cool
undone berry
Conversation interruptions are just very annoying. It's not really a moderation problem, because that becomes a massive pain in the ass for you guys so it can't be a solid rule, but something to try and prevent it would be cool; I just have no useful suggestoins
rough sapphire
the problem is the nature of the media
people don't see discord like they see real life
warm widget
A rule against interrupting conversations ?
undone berry
A rule against interrupting conversations ?
@warm widget
that's very difficult to moderate
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire No
warm widget
Very.
plucky ridge
I shuddered thinking about that
undone berry
and it isn't a big enough problem for it to be worth a solid rule
rough sapphire
should be mentioned in the CoC tho
plucky ridge
After some input from some others, I don't think we're going to change it
warm widget
I mean, if you wanna conversate, you got dms for that.
plucky ridge
It's not difficult to politely ask people to use another channel
rough sapphire
the best solution would be to be able to have some kind of "quick trigger moderation" actions
"Be mindful of the conversations already occurring in certain channels"
undone berry
I just don't see any advantage to keep it clean folks
rough sapphire
ok, so basically, new rule
undone berry
should I take it up in #community-meta?
rough sapphire
you butt in with your random bullshit? instant ban
plucky ridge
And I don't want people to suddenly have "read the channel description" as a catch all phrase.
warm widget
no no new rules.
rough sapphire
permanent, non appealable
sullen thorn
Lol
rough sapphire
let's say if somebody posts some random picture in the middle of a chat, people could mark that picture with a some emoji and if it got say 10 times that same emoji, it would be insta-deleted?
undone berry
I mean - read the channel description seems like a better catch phrase than please fuck off
high verge
yeah i mean this is basically about me it seems
had he actually said 'please go away'
undone berry
no, it's not just about you
high verge
i would have been more than happy to
warm widget
That can be abused.
undone berry
it happens all the time
plucky ridge
@undone berry No, it's really not. And if you're saying "please fuck off" to other users, then perhaps the issue isn't with the channel description at all
undone berry
and as it goes - you were fairly innocuous
I think Bisk was just annoyed about the general trend
not too much at you
just happened that you caught the brunt of it
sullen thorn
@plucky ridge @rough sapphire ‘s suggestion?
plucky ridge
I'm on the fence
undone berry
I'm not saying the issue is with the channel description
plucky ridge
I could see that being abused
undone berry
I'd take this argument up more in full - but right now I don't have a chair and am sick of kneeling and typing
sullen thorn
Could trial it - I mean everything can be abused, but realistically I don’t see it being abused
U could also limit it to people who have spoken in the channel in the last 5m?
Lol get a char
warm widget
Hol up did that guy really lose it off of a picture showing owo..
undone berry
well - right now i'm in a semi productive mindset, so I moved my chair so I could clean shit
so I'm not gonna put it back
I'll just post in #community-meta later
warm widget
That ain't peaceful at all.
sullen thorn
Take a nap
plucky ridge
@undone berry There really isn't an argument to be had.
You asked, I checked, I answered
undone berry
there 100% is
plucky ridge
Okay, my problem is that you're labeling it as an "argument" straight away instead of "discussion"
If you're going in with the intent of pitching a fit, then no, it's not worth anyone's time
undone berry
well - I'm arguing against the negative decision
so i'm coming at it from a biased position
but yeah
it is more of a discussion
plucky ridge
Terminology matters a lot when all we have here are words
rough sapphire
c'mon guys bisk got the vacuum cleaner working
undone berry
yeah, that's fair
rough sapphire
let's celebrate 🥳
plucky ridge
@gentle moss You should spill glitter and clean it up to celebrate
rough sapphire
at least it sounds like it works
sullen thorn
Eyy congrats @gentle moss 🥳
sullen thorn
Lmao hemlock
rough sapphire
apparently it still doesn't quite work -- some friction left in the drum was the message.
warm widget
Just enough salt and boiled eggs are fantastic.
royal laurel
Lmao grats!!!!
wheat lynx
That's 1 hours and 40 minutes I'll never get back- Time well spent!
plucky ridge
Do the glitter test
wheat lynx
I was wondering what the music was
gentle moss
i hate glitter, so that test can fuck off
i'm not intentionally putting glitter on anything
ever.
wheat lynx
But then you get the satisfaction of removing the glitter
royal laurel
Use flour?
gentle moss
well i tested it on all the dust i cleaned out of it
worked pretty well
guess i should hoover the living room
sigh
rough sapphire
from the AUR https://arse.ee/80NESrLa.png
oh cool, maim does not work in wayland
neat
anyways i wanted to post this comment https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-ozone/#comment-748881
gentle moss
turns out the beater head for the hoover is also fucked
and i just packed away all my streaming kit
smh
ah lunch time anyhow.
sullen thorn
Lol
rough sapphire
hi guys im trying to pip install pyinstaller but then this problem occurs
@rough sapphire hey there! you should check out #❓｜how-to-get-help
this is for off-topic chat
high verge
@west jacinth have you seen any humorous photographs recently
west jacinth
surprisingly yes
high verge
that's convenient
gentle moss
http://twitch.tv/beehivekay - repairing a hoover: part 2 carpet brush boogaloo
gentle moss
today has been a repair-a-thon
stitch my ball hole up in my jeans, fixed the hoover's suction, fixed the carpet beater brush AND just hotglued a crack in my bin
rough sapphire
i somehow changed all of my emojis to the black skinned variant and idunno how to change it back
👍🏿
help
i want my hands to be yellow again
royal laurel
Phone keyboard I assume
plucky ridge
Gotta click the hands to the right of the search bar
plucky ridge
I have given up on Elm at the moment.
I'm getting frustrated with it, feeling intimidated by it, etc. I'm sure I could figure out what to do if it was the only thing I was working on, but I don't think I can keep it going while at work
plucky ridge
No just having issues building something more complex. I've got a huge beef with the guide. So it goes from fairly simple concepts to incredibly complex ones without really any steps given in between. How do I do something using multiple modules? How do I deal with defining and holding on to the model/state? Can I have multiple of that, etc.
It does really well in the beginning and then BAM
Wall
And since the language is still fairly immature and not used too terribly much, there really aren't many other resources I can turn to for guidance
rough sapphire
so it's like ... draw the rest of the fucking owl?
plucky ridge
Pretty much
plucky ridge
Learn the who and the what now?
viral panther
There's a set of tools you can use to make websites in conjunction with all of that
plucky ridge
I don't think I could handle that
I still need to go back through "Learn You a Haskell"
rough sapphire
there used to be a time when the haskell compiler was so incredibly slow that it was painful to use
i don't know what the state of it is right now
but it can't have been more than 5 years ago that I last seriously tried to learn haskell and it was slooooooooooooow
viral panther
Even with high optimization it runs fairly well, but my code is typically only a few hundred to maybe 2k lines at most... so that probably doesn't count
rough sapphire
the compilation process that is
yeah i didn't have that much trouble with my own code but
trying to install stuff with cabal or whatever the tools were took forever
plucky ridge
I think I'm just too worked up right now. I want something simple or at least achievable. Just bummed because I really wanted to do this and I just can't right now
viral panther
Yeah, sometimes it can take a while :/
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge so what were the lessons learned? let's do the retrospective
plucky ridge
So the structure of Elm was incredibly nice. I like the concept of passing messages internally and comparing it against various cases to achieve the desired outcome.
General testing was a bit less intuitive to me, even with the use of the elm "Reactor".
Testing a single file required you to add a module line to tell it that you wanted to use the file that you're trying to run in the first place
The "Elm Architecture" principals are great, but I feel like the guides themselves don't expand upon them well enough. Like with the view, why does div have to be div [] []?
I know what it is now, but it's never explained in the main guide, or if it is, it's not explained well
There's little to no mention of the attributes you can alter (which is what that would be in reference to)
viral panther
I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but there is another option that looked pretty good
plucky ridge
If the guide is ever revised or expanded, I think. And I'm just playing around with languages, that's all
Just want to do something fun
I should probably just go back to JS and try and make the incremental I was just trying to
viral panther
Well, if you ever have any FP questions I'd love to try and help
rough sapphire
i've been slamming on react js now like crazy for the last 3 weeks
plucky ridge
I'd probably want to go as barebones as possible. I feel like I get choice paralysis when there's just too much
And there's always going to be a better option or a favorite option someone will suggest and I just feel like I can never just sit down and create
I always get distracted or discouraged
Bleh
rough sapphire
heh. just learned that the finnish language word for elephant is derived from the word walrus because people didn't know wtf they were looking at so they just kinda took the closest thing they knew that had huge fangs and derived a new word from that.
"what the hell is that? i don't know man, looks like a huge walrus, kinda."
🐘
modern heron
A python program is listening on a port. I have the PID how do I find the actual program
Stuff like: ps -p 8000 -o comm=
Just returns python3
opaque anchor
I'm trying out a new application that lets me treat applications like browser tabs
It's very useful and helps make my life so much more productive
I'm using it right now and it's very helpful
high verge
@modern heron you need to see what arguments the program was started with
@opaque anchor what is it if you don't mind sharing
opaque anchor
it's called Stardock Groupy
it's payed but I'm trying their 30-day trial, @high verge
high verge
opaque anchor
and I might buy it if it's good (which it seems to be so far)
high verge
@modern heron that should be helpful if you haven't tried it already
opaque anchor
it's pretty useful for me since I always have a lot of tabs open
and it can let you have multiple tabs of notepad++/chrome/microsoft word/file explorer open at once
you can even have multiple tabs of different applications together
right now I started using it but it's made my desktop a lot more clean
plucky ridge
Thoughts on new glasses?
rough sapphire
They look much like mine, so 👍
plucky ridge
Neat
grizzled leaf
I thought that cat was real
rough sapphire
lol
plucky ridge
Only in my heart
plucky ridge
Good good. They're comfortable, which my last ones ceased to be
grizzled leaf
Were the last ones too tight?
plucky ridge
Too bulky
And I snapped one of the temples and super glued it back on
I was due for a new pair anyway
grizzled leaf
At least they weren't killing your skin
plucky ridge
True enough
sullen thorn
U kinda look like Chris Evans in The Losers
feral yew
oh god what is that cat pillow
ebon condor
i used to have a similar pillow but it got vomited on by someone else and it was gross
glossy cedar
That's what happens when you share your pillow
royal lakeBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @rough sapphire until 2020-06-09 06:02 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: mentions rule: sent 37 mentions in 10s).
rough sapphire
again...
versed hearth
woah
prisma fable
ok buddy
rough sapphire
what happened
simple current
Bruh
hasty stream
Ping?
feral yew
prepare for silent channel
tranquil cobalt
?
simple current
Spam ping
prisma fable
Well done bot 
hushed ridge
ok
versed hearth
reee
rough sapphire
got a ping too
hasty stream
Rip
sweet basin
red maple
oh come on....not again!
tribal musk
That’s annoying
bleak cairn
what
versed hearth
im not special :(
rough sapphire
Got a ping...
prisma fable
summer knot
!silence
royal lakeBOT
✅ silenced current channel for 10 minute(s).
summer knot
!ban 574727956954611712 Mass mention spam
royal lakeBOT
:x: User is already permanently banned (#8318).
terse sluice
royal lakeBOT
✅ unsilenced current channel.
rough sapphire
what the heck
sweet basin
ayy f1re
oak merlin
that was wild
rough sapphire
was that
oak tangle
!shhhhhh
royal lakeBOT
✅ silenced current channel for 12 minute(s).
oak tangle
Some kid thought they were funny by mass spamming mentions. Let's not humour them by turning into a mass spam event ourselves.
They've been dealt with
oak tangle
This was not done with silence
silence only supports up to 15 minutes of silence or indefinite silence with a mod ping every 15 minutes as a reminder
I manually tweaked the permissions in this case
solid pollen
Ah I see
With redis now we could have more than 15 minutes silence without pings though
oak tangle
The point of the pings is to not have a channel be silenced for a long time with us forgetting about it
However, I think the current 15 minutes upper limit is a bit limiting
solid pollen
I mean if you ask the bot to unsilence it after an hour, the bot won't forget
ember cipher
who pinged?
oak tangle
tawny shoal
Did someone pinged?
rough sapphire
no, you're imagining things
go back to sleep.. this is a dream
@tawny shoal literally the message above yours.
tawny shoal
Oh
sullen thorn
the mass pings always make me sad tbh
like i get excited someone needed me
and then it's just a mass ping :/
high verge
@sullen thorn hey how ya doing
sullen thorn
??
summer knot
Those are mod commands so no
pine ice
ok
summer knot
If you want to play with bot commands there is #bot-commands and type !help
pine ice
ok
pearl berry
Hello?
sullen thorn
hello?
pine ice
.
soft violet
I feel left out. No ping.
soft violet
Hai
soft violet
Stunningly.
topaz aurora
Oh no
Had to force shutdown my PC because the keyboard bonked itself
Now windows is updating
I was editing a file too so that's fun 
fallen sparrow
sand goblet
Github bots are great
rough sapphire
Is it possible to make the users unable to mass ping everyone? That's annoying as hell
Only mods should do that
sand goblet
People will always find a way to work around things like that
oak tangle
@rough sapphire No, it's not, unfortunately. We've locked down everything we can and have our bot auto-mute a spammer as quickly as possible, but this was someone just including a lot of pings in a single message.
We can't control what users send to Discord and we can only react to it afterwards, after the message has been delivered.
We did disable things like the everyone-ping and role pings
rough sapphire
Oh, okay 🙂
high verge
is it literally just how many they can fit in 2000 chars?
seems weird that discord hasn't enabled preventing that
sand goblet
I've seen a few techniques
well I'm glad discord hasn't prevented that because I have to do it for jackbox every week
round rose
A slider that determines how many pings can a message contain, just like with max users per voice channel
sand goblet
I think what Discord really needs is premoderation
They couldn't possibly account for every possible form of automation
premoderation would allow bots like @royal lake to filter messages before anyone sees them
round rose
True, that would be really nice
sand goblet
that would go a long way
grizzled leaf
@topaz aurora Once i've lost 2 weeks of progress 
topaz aurora
big oof
grizzled leaf
I's using IDLE and needed to use dir, I selected all my code and cut it, use dir and got the output i needed, but instead of pasting the code back, i copied something else and closed the file accidentally
Why would you even cut the enitre code, just use print at the end....
solid pollen
premoderation would allow bots like @royal lake to filter messages before anyone sees them
@sand goblet the issue would be with servers with slow as heck bots, if discord is waiting for them to deliver the message
sand goblet
Twitch solves that by only waiting for a small amount of time
solid pollen
Hmm I guess you'd be able to bypass that on discord fairly easily
You could have a couple of bots spamming .prideavatar in #sir-lancebot-playground while another is pinging around
The bot would slow down as heck
sand goblet
You'd probably use a separate bot for it, yeah
lofty pewter
Do you know anything about computing or fixing computers?
pine ice
is discord.py simple?
high verge
yeah, as far as those sorts of thing go
pine ice
k
high verge
hey i just searched it up and tomorrow I will have been here for exactly a year
plucky ridge
Eh, I prefer honesty
rough sapphire
you all suck
plucky ridge
Would rather know if there's things we can and should fix, you know?
gentle moss
you obviously don't have enough duck tape
plucky ridge
Quack
Okay, so my plans with Elm fell through, and now I'm left with a quandary. Do I try and find another new language to do web front-end stuff, do I just try and do stuff in JS or TS, or do I see if there are any decent Python web front-end type thingies.
Wait, ARE there any Python web front-end things?
I know I've looked around in the Android stuff with Kivy, but not web
And I know Django and Flask are primarily back end
plucky ridge
Is your hair the kind that gets tangled easily? Did seem really thin like it would do that
royal laurel
It doesn't tangle but it has a lotttt of frizz
plucky ridge
Ah, I was going to ask you the name of it again so I could look it over today
Cheers
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge if you're looking at django/flask they will subscribe to mvc and the v is the frontend part, although they're primarily backend
plucky ridge
Pardon my ignorance, "MVC"?
rough sapphire
model-view-controller
plucky ridge
Ah that's right.
rough sapphire
@royal laurel mine is so frizzy that even the brush doesn't help much
hairbands caused this, I'm sure
royal laurel
It's the kind of "I just woke up" hair I'm dealing with
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge my personal opinion is don't try and force python into frontend stuff. pick a flavour of javascript for that
plucky ridge
Yeah I know...
I just want to have something that I know I'll be able to get into. I was really disappointed when I hit that wall with Elm
rough sapphire
just write a python to js compiler 😉
you could join the django code jam coming up maybe?
sullen thorn
probably exists
rough sapphire
at that point you aquire so much knowledge that you might as well use js
plucky ridge
I don't think I can as an admin
And there are Python to JS transpilers
But as you might expect, they're... bad
sullen thorn
are they correct?
sullen thorn
eh that's expected
rough sapphire
so you want something frontend that isn't elm?
viral panther
Does any other language have as many transpilers as JS does?
sullen thorn
c might
plucky ridge
I'm not sure what I want. I guess I want something that's web front end so it's easy to share and I can make dumb little incrementals in it, but at the same time I don't know if I want to deal with TS/JS
sullen thorn
oh wait nvm it definitely doesnt beat js
lofty dirge
I mean, are you surprised it does? because it's A) the only language for most popular GUI software and B) It's bad
plucky ridge
I want something fun
sullen thorn
come over to c++ 🙂
plucky ridge
I said fun
viral panther
Rabbit: No, not at all
sullen thorn
we have pointers
plucky ridge
@sullen thorn Not familiar with it.
lofty dirge
Yea
viral panther
I hate C++ but it does seem to be moving in the right direction
sullen thorn
hmm i think you can compile c++ to webasm? so could work for frontend
viral panther
Concepts are so exciting
plucky ridge
If I was going to go that low level I'd dive back into Rust
sullen thorn
i don't like rust's iterators 😒
rough sapphire
don't bother with wasm atm it's too immature
sullen thorn
oh
plucky ridge
But I just don't have the head for low level right now
rough sapphire
Couldn't you just use webassembly and about any language that compiles to it?
plucky ridge
Not quite
C/C++ and Rust are really the only ones with decent support (that I've seen so far anyway)
WASM is still relatively immature
rough sapphire
relatively meaning very
plucky ridge
Doesn't have to
rough sapphire
Rust is imho quite friendly and not so low level
sullen thorn
it compiling to js is cheating
plucky ridge
It supports its own port to web stuff
@rough sapphire I enjoy rust but I want something simpler.
I don't know, I might just be picky right now
rough sapphire
typescript/deno are your frontend recommendations. rust or go for backend (you can play around with goroutines and deadlocks)
Probably
sullen thorn
i mean rust is as low level as you make it katrin - same as c++ 🤷
don't choose go :/
lofty dirge
you can use TypeScript for your backend too 
sullen thorn
oh yeah it definitely is
plucky ridge
Just a slightly different paradigm when it comes to memory management
rough sapphire
Go is like trying to make C modern
chilly gorge
yall are big smart
plucky ridge
@chilly gorge Wouldn't go that far. We're just passionate about nerdy stuff
sullen thorn
not really, just experienced (idk maybe they're smart too)
chilly gorge
im learning basic stuff rn
rough sapphire
Experienced is the wrong term for me, I just read a lot of stuff and I had a lot of time
sullen thorn
that's what experience is
lofty dirge
I'm just avoiding "going to" work
rough sapphire
Could've done much much more with that time though
you could have become a memelord
but look at you
sullen thorn
i mean for all we know she's a mod on r/highqualitygifs posting the dankest memes there 🤷
chilly gorge
dang no meme god
rough sapphire
dripping with dank memes
plucky ridge
Should see a doctor about that
rough sapphire
meme syphilis?
plucky ridge
The gift that keeps on giving
sullen thorn
no
rough sapphire
Maybe
rough sapphire
to all the kids
sullen thorn
took me a second
rough sapphire
it disappeared
magic
that would hurt my feelings if i had any hemlock
sorcery
plucky ridge
I mean I got the clap/syph connection
I think I'm just numb to some of the newer meme "jokes"
plucky ridge
A slang term for syphilis is "the clap"
rough sapphire
Now that's less of a punchline than I was hoping for
sullen thorn
i'm listening to mariah carey rn... so unless you're better than her?
chilly gorge
wait i forgot u can edit
sullen thorn
yeah i think we drew out that clap joke a bit too much
rough sapphire
lol
gentle moss
what sort of music is it?
rough sapphire
😳
gentle moss
also neon, wow.
chilly gorge
rap
rough sapphire
Keep it clean
chilly gorge
hip hop r&b trap
sullen thorn
so maybe not so clean
gentle moss
sure, drop a link but wrap it in < > tags so we don't get a massive embed
rough sapphire
you ever have those days where you want to listen to music but have no idea what you want to listen to?
hip hop 'n rap can be fun, but some tracks are definitely not for every audience
@rough sapphire der die das Nutella?
but really, I can look even past ballant sexism if the tracks good
sullen thorn
der die das die? what's the 4th die?
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire usually das, but when I talk to an italian it's die.
der die das Yeet?
Das!
i'm genuinely curious what article yeet needs
high verge
sullen thorn
lol
high verge
also
rough sapphire
Not sure it's even used in German though
high verge
AAA games
an AAA game looks right, except you say 'triple a'
so 'a AAA game' shoudl be beetter
rough sapphire
@high verge You spotted an unintentional pun
plucky ridge
English please
chilly gorge
sry
plucky ridge
I don't speak y'alls Frenchy French moon language
rough sapphire
Don't know enough italian anyways