The issue isn't even that
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
I do have health insurance and it should cover most things
It would all just be smooth sailing if I had the cash…
Nothing like a two years waiting list to get on a two years waiting list to get on a two years waiting list to get on a two years waiting list
vast relic
Cook
vast relic
Cooking is healthier and cheaper
lofty dirge
I fractured my arm with insurance, still out like 4k USD
rough sapphire
Still peanuts compared to what I'll have to pay for some vital surgeries
undone berry
I fractured my arm with insurance, still out like 4k USD
@lofty dirge
Jesus christ. That's an insane amount. Was there surgery or something?
lofty dirge
No
undone berry
Just a generic cast?
lofty dirge
Urgent care, ER, Ortho and physical therapy
undone berry
Oh. I guess pt is expensive
undone berry
Crazy cost
lofty dirge
You want to know what is fun?
ER Doctor wasn’t hospital employee. So I got a bill from hospital then one from doctor
lofty dirge
Doctor is contractor
vast relic
luckily if I fracture my arm, I would have to pay it in my native currency if i had to pay it in USD i would be dead
cries in inflation
lofty dirge
🦅🇺🇸
It’s like showing up restaurant, getting a bill for food then having to pay for your server because they are not employee of restaurant but just a contractor of the restaurant despite looking like employee
Wait, our tipping culture....
rough sapphire
https://arse.ee/TQqIYb7O.png some people really make you think
solid pollen
We should do memes tbh
rough sapphire
big no
solid pollen
Haha
rough sapphire
oh no
Oh no?
spilt some juice on my desk. not wanting it to touch my electronics, i did the first thing that came to mind and slurped it off my desk like an animal. 5 seconds later i realised i had dripped some molten soldering flux in that exact spot
here's a fun fact about soldering flux
it's fucking poisonous
but i haven't gone blind yet so i think i'm good
undone berry
I can't believe your first instinct is to just slurp up desk juice
rough sapphire
trust me, i wouldn't have done it if i hadn't panicked
Uh
That was a bad time to get up and get food.
So, with not being a doctor and all, I have no clue what you should do in this situation.
i'm sure it's fine
it's just Yet Another "Ras Ingests Dangerous Chemicals"
i've drank mercury before which is cool
undone berry
how did you manage that one?
rough sapphire
was child. was stirring tea with an old soviet thermometer (first thing I had at hand)
later realised that the glass had been broken when i took it out
undone berry
I guess that's why they don't really do mercury thermometers any more
gentle moss
how are you a love.
rough sapphire
i need an adult
rough sapphire
a love <3
gentle moss
it does, everyone thinks i'm mad for doing it
but it's pretty much its main application
beyond fixing your broken lamp
brb, katsu curry.
kathy is a champ <3
rough sapphire
i attempted to use it today to attach a whisk to my antenna base
solder didn't work because i couldn't get it to stick to the right places for the life of me
undone berry
solder didn't work because i couldn't get it to stick to the right places for the life of me
Time to buy a cheap welding thing?
high verge
@gentle moss my flesh is still crispy from the superglue the other day
burnt thumb from hot glue, crispy fingers
gentle moss
hotglue != superglue
cyanoacrylate is superglue
hotglue is some fucking idk plastic or epoxy that melts at heat
undone berry
did you know cheap peanuts taste like hot glue?
gentle moss
right, she finally sat down
royal laurel
isnt != just ≠
royal laurel
of course
rough sapphire
this is almost loss if you squint hard enough
royal laurel
haahahahha
rough sapphire
haha aki's got a crush on g
royal laurel
rough sapphire
do i really need to remind you that g is in a happpy relationship with me
rough sapphire
royal laurel
it's not like it wasn't awfully obvious but STILL
sand goblet
Haha, dammit you two
rough sapphire
@undone berry where are my hearts husband
undone berry
I dunno why you want hearts from me - but merry heartmas
oh
I see
there's been an update
I shall be forever faithful
rough sapphire
do the help channels even work
undone berry
yes
rough sapphire
i've been posting problems four days now
rough sapphire
nobody is anwsering
undone berry
have you posted recently?
undone berry
which channel?
rough sapphire
hold on i'l claim a new one
undone berry
I probably can't help
but I probably can tell you why you aren't getting help
or I might be able to help
rough sapphire
It's Django just so you know
undone berry
for Django, #web-development is a better bet
and if someone posts over the top of your question
just be patient
and post again a little later
rough sapphire
there's just the raw chance the questions are too involved
gentle moss
[18:54] xx: this is almost loss if you squint hard enough
every single time i squint i see dead children sooooo....
i think i need to get a better optician
rough sapphire
maybe you should get rid of the dead children in your flat
leaden shuttle
honest star
;_; It's now hot enough in the mid atlantic that I'm going to have to start waking up at 6am to get my run in for the day instead of running in the evening
I want spring back pls
rough sapphire
what's the mid atlantic
honest star
A region in the U.S. on the east coast.
gentle moss
it's a chicken
royal laurel
The middle of the ocean
rough sapphire
wow look at you
gentle moss
i have multiple floors to have complete disregard for
rough sapphire
all adulting and stuff
gentle moss
and a garden to woefully manage
rough sapphire
British houses aren't really houses
you've got neighbors on both sides
it's basically just a glorified flat
gentle moss
yeah, this is a terrace not a detatched
its flats but sideways
with gardens
mine is full of birds
they don't have to live on a fucking window ledge
smh
rough sapphire
I don't do anything with mine so I just let the sweet old woman next doors grow flowers on it
if you stack six Toyota Yaris', sure
gentle moss
and does it come with complimentary concrete 6" under the soil?
some people say 6"'s is enough
tomato plants disagree
rough sapphire
ours is dirt all the way down I think
gentle moss
lucky bastard
imagine not getting free concrete though
i bet your grass grows too well.
rough sapphire
well, no, some fuckers keep driving over it
gentle moss
sorry, should i get my 6 yaris's out your garden?
rough sapphire
I don't blame them, the way they designed the parking lot next to it is really dumb and people park in front of the exit-driveway
gentle moss
ooooh
rough sapphire
so other people are forced to drive over grass to get in or out
gentle moss
wow
rough sapphire
fucking BMW owners
gentle moss
that's fucking awful
i think you should do something about it
have you thought about throwing the BMW's into a river?
rough sapphire
im gonna bring it up in the next council meeting
I'm thinking of just putting a large boulder at the problematic spot
gentle moss
seriously though, a set of bollards should stop it
or yeah, a big rock
that's the more intelligent way to solve it
technology is rocks.
rough sapphire
this is factual
gentle moss
totally having a conversation about lawn conservation here
a CIA operative with amnesia is not really related
unless..........................
xx, shut down your SDR
they're tracking you.
rough sapphire
gentle moss
listen to me now, you don't have long.
stuff a rolled up magazine in your toaster
turn on all the gas
put a wet rag over your mouth
and wait for the assassin
rough sapphire
do you want me to waterboard myself while I'm at it?
gentle moss
i mean if you want to save the CIA time then sure
just make sure you give them all the information you reveal to yourself
they'd appreciate it
god damn i knew they were evil but destroying an old woman's plants is just too much
it's about time the pentagon got knocked down a few pegs
a triangle should be enough for anyone
fyi my house isn't square, it's two triangles.
undone berry
I'm struggling to see how that works
unless all you walls are slanted
in which case - eugh
gentle moss
floorplan.
undone berry
oh - that makes a lot more sense
gentle moss
it was a lie too
and now i'm mentally mapping my house floor plan in triangles.
the living room floor plan is 6 triangles.
the kitchen is 12
the office room is actually just 2.
bedroom is a weird shape, 18 tris
rough sapphire
how many polygons does your house have
gentle moss
total?
rough sapphire
mhmm
gentle moss
with or without entities?
any object that is movable isn't part of the map compile count
i can tell you it has around ~60 vis portals
assuming the windows aren't see through.
that'd make it more complicated
the living room has 86 polygons if you assume that there are no entities in it and all surface detail is normal mapped.
otherwise it potentially has infinite curves as the seperator around the walls is curved and LOD level could be defined at compile.
undone berry
I'm really hoping you've actually counted
gentle moss
i'm trying to watch the one punch man extra episodes dubbed while remembering the layout of my house
and yes those are counts. when i was dabbling in level design i spent a while "seeing" things in tris
gentle moss
it's 568 polys assuming a low lod level on the coving and wall details.
high verge
jesus i'm disturbed that the gap in time there means you actually counted that
gentle moss
my brain can do more than one thing at once.
and i'm a stickler for a long running gag
if i estimate, i could assume this whole room is about 300k polys.
maybe 400k, thanks to the rat cage.
surreal otter
I mean, you can do a lot with 300k polys...
Or you can use 300M
and make it better
or 300 billion and go ballistic
surreal otter
level design sounds fun
gentle moss
during the early quake era i enjoyed it a lot, i don't think i would anymore.
the skill sets required are far too large
gentle moss
level design is its own thing now in a sense though, abstracted from the art
surreal otter
yep, which is more and more common
as more time is spent on scripted trailers and preorder marketing
gameplay? who needs tosee that!
gentle moss
i mean i don't think that's really true.
linear single player games have got much better from the 90's and 00's in how levels flow
and how they indicate or influence the player to follow the linear track
which is super good.
i mostly made multiplayer maps
high verge
i do think it's sad that the expected art quality and effort is so much higher
gentle moss
so most of it was gameplay balance, rather than pretties
high verge
a modern indie dev team could make all the assets for a AAA game a while ago
undone berry
multiplayer map design and single player level design are very different
high verge
now that's so far from being feasible
gentle moss
a wall here, a corner there, makes all the difference in multiplayer play
undone berry
and both very hard
gentle moss
yeah charlie
for different reasons
one requires an understanding of how to control a players focus and their flow through a level
the other requires an understanding of the mechanics of the multiplayer aspect
undone berry
one thing about good level design is that you don't really notice it, bad level design really sticks though
gentle moss
eh, as someone who played it in competition i'd say like.... 5? had good design
hard disagree, banana was always fucked.
it caused a number of choke points which made entire routes pointless
that's not a well balanced map
just because it's fun to gun down an entire T rush on banana
doesn't mean the map is balanced.
that's in GO
get in my ball park.
CS:GO Italy is balanced better than 1.6
because we learned how to balance maps and gameplay mechanics properly.
undone berry
CS:GO Italy is a pretty terrible map. Like all practically CSGO hostage maps, it's horribly unbalanced
gentle moss
1.6 didn't have chickens.
undone berry
Assuming both teams know the map, you end up with 13-2 T sides
rough sapphire
undone berry
I'm sorry the chickens have done that to you
high verge
thanks
rough sapphire
chicken
gentle moss
in the spawn? can't believe i forgot that
high verge
chikin
undone berry
nekcihc
gentle moss
in which case, i change my statement
you're talking to someone with more knowledge than xx with google.
i do apologise for saying there weren't chickens though
rough sapphire
I only googled because I distinctly remember chickens in 1.6 Italy as well
gentle moss
but you're entirely wrong about gameplay balance on italy
rough sapphire
I wouldn't have bothered otherwise
gentle moss
i didn't really spend much time in spawn except getting yelled at for something
undone berry
Now I'm just sad thinking about all the terrible CS maps that have come and gone - mostly because I put lots of hours into learning most of them
rough sapphire
there's a YouTube series I watch, "weird source maps"
gentle moss
i'm not sure how you can call something a "best map" without that map actually being balanced
that's just me though
rough sapphire
where the dude walks through different user maps of source games
it's really interesting
and kind of nostalgic when a familiar map comes up
gentle moss
it's like saying train is good.
rough sapphire
like a speed demon
undone berry
Not really sure why Train is a map that has stuck around for so long
gentle moss
train is WORSE than italy, in its problems, but they have the same problem
it's the difference between cutting off your toe or sticking your foot in a blender
undone berry
the texture of dinner?
rough sapphire
https://youtu.be/SNvDUO42Hys gotta post a classic while we're talking about cs
gentle moss
zblock \o/
worked on that.
phoon's hopping is mad, but hopping is why i "broke out" in css more than 1.6
i think the guy who did zblock was called barrus? maybe garrus.
we spent some time looking at exploit methods through cvars
there were a lot in css
r_shadowid's was my first discovery. puts up a little id on every shadow generated by a dynamic object.
the ones that move? they're people.
high verge
holy shit he's like a fucking SCP
gentle moss
phoon was the shit in the day.
undone berry
those CSS maps make me so nostalgic despite the fact I never even played CSS
probably because they were closer to the early CSGO versions
in fact
definitely that
it's old Nuke
I want old Nuke
undone berry
Yeah, but it was very fun in its CT sidedness
gentle moss
nuke was based off if you can run in and die a bunch on T side
undone berry
Honestly, the stress of having to maintain a 12-3 half was pretty intense
undone berry
yeah, there's not really anything like it any more
gentle moss
yes. older nukes were so CT sided you'd be LUCKY to get 5 on T's against an okay CT side
it's full of choke points
i used to play ramps / radio sniper
in CSS you could do it with autosniper and it fucking RAGED people
great shit.
undone berry
early CSGO days you pretty much wanted to get 12-3 on CT side, or you were fucked
gentle moss
especially playing in the US with 150 ping.
if you can rage your opponent team by buying an autosniper? fucking do it.
undone berry
and early csgo nuke was pretty much the same as CSS
in fact, the person who taught me it played like thousands of hours of CSS and 1.6
gentle moss
i played CS, as a whole, probably for about 14 years.
undone berry
cool dood - he once bought me a pizza
gentle moss
that's 1.X, source, and go.
i got the original CS beta on a CD from a PC Gamer.
back in the beta you could actually hold one of every weapon class
rofl.
negev + awp = money.
negev was far too accurate back then though
more like an AK with a million bullets
which is why no league used it seriously.
undone berry
Aztec is worthless trash
gentle moss
pub map.
undone berry
but was still fun to learn and get good at
undone berry
dust 1 is just sort of a fine map
it's really not that bad
it's pretty balanced
honestly - the name killed it more than anything else
high verge
cs gas
undone berry
but it might not be
gentle moss
the GO version is not the same at all
big change was being able to flashbang over walls
undone berry
I know a lot of them were ported almost as is from source to GO
gentle moss
skyboxes blocked that in older games
GO's dust1 isn't so bad, it still has a heavy CT bias
but the ability to flash over stuff helps a lot
christ, that's why it wasn't played
it's a slaughter house
it pushes the T's down 2 routes
sand goblet
even I remember that and I'm not a CS guy at all
gentle moss
there was no stair way up from tunnel
rough sapphire
dust2
gentle moss
and there was less boxes
gentle moss
helpful commentary.
rough sapphire
You're welcome
gentle moss
but everyone knows the trick at dust2 is for all 5 to buy auto snipes and spam double doors
done that in a league match before and the team killed 3 people
gentle moss
we ditched the autosnipes because we were already ahead
undone berry
even the aim fights are meh
rough sapphire
I’ve literally only played inferno
I like to kick the barrels around on that map
But i don’t play alot
gentle moss
and, working in a clan, it works very well
undone berry
Dust2's strats were and are so well known, that it's just tedious
rough sapphire
Also, once you're past 25 your reaction time gets worse
undone berry
dust2's strats haven't changed since source, don't think they've changed since 1.6
gentle moss
yeah, but at that point it becomes about team coordination charlie
rough sapphire
it's annoying to lose to kiddies just because you're too slow
undone berry
I dunno - team coordination is more fun when there's room for imagination in that teamplay
getting good at dust as a team is just about drilling - whereas on something like Nuke or Inferno, there's so much more room for creativity as a team
gentle moss
if you give people TOO many options you break it.
i'll say inferno is one of my faves though
undone berry
Yeah, Inferno is probably the best map for actual serious play
undone berry
I've never even heard of Contra as a map - so it wasn't one of the 1.6/CSS ones I went back and played
gentle moss
it was a community map
but popular in competition
well balanced
fy maps were fun. good downtime between clan matches
pool day \o/
that's still sorta pub zone though. the entire time i've sorta been talking from a clan / team game perspective
because that's how i spent my time in CS
we all have our own perspectives.
undone berry
CSGO having actual matchmaking is kinda interesting. Most of my time has been spent with 1-4 others, so usually some amount of randoms
gentle moss
i played for uhhh.....
undone berry
but the people I did play with - I'd played with for lots of hours
gentle moss
a few. probably about 5 european clans and 3 american clans.
gentle moss
didn't really care too much for out of clan play.
undone berry
but not if you want to win
undone berry
For the amount of hours I've put into CS - I'm amazingly bad
like - I'm pretty good at this point
but I should be much better
gentle moss
on the ping thing charlie, i only managed to play in the US on CSS
because the netcode was fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked
i could awp on 150 ping and still beat yanks.
i don't want to think i was good and they were shit, and i knew how broke that netcode was
it really did favour high pingers in some ways
but you had to "use it right"?
i mean i made it to US CAL-M (one down from the LAN tourney teams) on 150 ping.
undone berry
that's pretty impressive - and pretty damming for the netcode I think
pretty sure right now even pro players couldn't do that well in GO with 150ping
undone berry
no matter what - it shows you were pretty great at learning to game the netcode
probably also just very good
gentle moss
i made $400 in a cevo tourney
undone berry
you innately competent bastard
undone berry
how old were you at the time?
gentle moss
gentle moss
i got to spend ages at my PC doing what i love
undone berry
when the exchange rate was £1 = $2
@gentle moss
This is depressing for a whole other set of reasons
gentle moss
yes, it is.
i exploited that exchange rate to fuck for ages
had a friend in the US to ship me shit \o/
could buy from china at US rates
VPN to the US and take advantage of no sales tax on purchases and huge exchange rate differences
a different time.
but, getting back, i love the time i spent with all my buddies being great at video games defeating teams and shit; sometimes winning money
i do think i could've spent it better, but i think some of the things i learned through the process are far more important
undone berry
pretty much everyone could spend pretty much all of their time more effectively than they did
gentle moss
yup, you can always look back and go "aw fuck, what a waste."
i mean that entire period i wasn't in school because i was ill
i regret not having GCSEs
undone berry
I imagine that would have made life easier - it's a platitude, but there really isn't that much use in feeling bad about the past, may as well focus on the future
undone berry
although obviously that's not exactly easy to do
gentle moss
i do feel that what i got from long term exposure to structured team work was pretty important.
high verge
i.e. would have taken them if not for the whole
gentle moss
dude, i'm fucking 31.
high verge
you may be fucking 31, but how old are you
high verge
good old nintendo powerglove
gentle moss
the left nut did page up, the right nut did page down, the penis was on an IBM thinkpad nipple mouse.
that's how i rolled
don't ask how i shot.
i was the lucky one.
gentle moss
countless of my kind died on the keyboard of counter strike
high verge
i want to see what would happen
with different things i do
i could do compsci, physics, engineering at university
i could go to another country
gentle moss
billions of lives wiped out in an awp shot.
high verge
i could join the military
i could work in the government
tens of thousands of lives
that i could have
high verge
'fuck off somewhere else'
undone berry
fuck the UK
high verge
'just go'
high verge
with string
undone berry
then everyone else can fuck off
undone berry
that's the new dream for brits - non-racist co-workers
high verge
have you had experience with not that
b
wait
is it bisk or blsk
i'm too tired to be able to tell
ok i clicked on your name i still cant tell
gentle moss
it's an i
high verge
my eyes are pretty fucked
i dont think i could be a commercial pilot
plus i sneeze in the sun
gooey cockpit
gentle moss
i wanted to join the RAF but i was pretty blind
high verge
i've got a gooey cock pit if you know what i'm saying
couldn't find the recruitment office?
i know the feeling
undone berry
i dont think i could be a commercial pilot
@high verge
I have a friend who just finished y13 and is doing that
basically, all you need
is a shitload of money
gentle moss
gotta pay for the quals?
undone berry
yeah
undone berry
like 200k iirc
gentle moss
my grandad said it took him a while to get his license
not just money but hours flown
and that's for a little cessna
undone berry
there's multiple paths to becoming a commercial airline pilot. The way my friend is doing it is the most expensive and probably easiest way
high verge
we had a BA stand at our careers fair
with the others its like 'look at what jobs we have'
BA was just 'yes be a pilot for the moneyyy'
undone berry
the pay isn't even that good
rough sapphire
The money and prestige isn’t even that good anymore
rough sapphire
Pilots used to be respected and well paid
undone berry
the airline industry is also going to die
undone berry
because we can't keep flying about on dinosaur juice
just because we want to go get pissed in spain
rough sapphire
Yeah the “golden age of flying” was pretty bad
gentle moss
yeeeeeeeeeerp
ultimately we need some kind of vacuum train system that orbits the planet
oh jesus i think i agreed with elon
rough sapphire
Nah we have enough dinosaur goop for aviation, electricity thats the big one
Also trains are just superior in every way
gentle moss
can i just say; this is how an off-topic conversation should flow and i love it.
rough sapphire
Yeah im basically here just for the off topic
undone berry
I'm just glad no one has posted a meme in the middle of it
gentle moss
it's beautiful
it started off on counter-strike
and now we're on trains
via aviation
undone berry
speaking of. Being a train driver is a pretty solid career
gentle moss
through the temporary reality of me playing CS1.6 from a ballsack
undone berry
Decent salary, probably alright work
rough sapphire
I guess, I feel like trains could be automated really easy, because they run on rails already
gentle moss
the controls are simple, the responsibility is high
rough sapphire
There just isn’t money in it
undone berry
Yeah - I'm surprised they haven't been automated away yet
undone berry
I dunno - computers are pretty damn good at stuff like that by now
rough sapphire
Most of the major incidents where human error
undone berry
You need some human in the system - but not really driving
just have the conductor do everything
rough sapphire
On the driver sidr
undone berry
and keep conductors about
gentle moss
i mean the UK rail system is pretty automated at this point
but they still have drivers and conductors
rough sapphire
Dispatch would need to stay human
gentle moss
you can build an ideal automation of a train system
and it'll probably work like 98% of the time
high verge
like having a coffee that's 2% blood
undone berry
I feel like you could hit 100% of the time
high verge
ideally you wouldn't hit anything
undone berry
Honestly, we're close to the point of fully automated cars
high verge
question is could a shark smell it
undone berry
automated trains are just easier versions of that
gentle moss
idk why but i feel trains are a bit different, since they're a larger form of locomotion
how many people can be on one train?
undone berry
you can get so much more data with a train, you can start putting sensors absolutely everywhere for relatively cheap
gentle moss
500?
gentle moss
this is gonna sound weird
the more boots you take off the ground, the easier it is for an operator to make an error.
undone berry
by operator - do you mean train operator like British Rail?
gentle moss
hahahahah
undone berry
or like the guy operating the train
gentle moss
i mean in the process of automating trains. it's going to be a stepping stone before you can hope to get to 100%.
during that period there will be failures of individual operators tasked with "watching the system"
much like we see with most digital technology
undone berry
yeah, I kinda agree with that. But right now there's been 0 high profile things about automating trains. The only recent developments I've seen is companies cutting guards/conductors because they're cheap bastards
gentle moss
i think applying that to human lives in mass transit is kinda..... risky?
not just risky but potentially folly.
a single edge case could fuck up the whole system
undone berry
I'm pretty much expecting there to be a period of 5+ years where we employ train drivers to sit and sleep whilst the train drives itself
gentle moss
if the computer throws a fucking shit for a hoolahoop is it okay that ~300 people die?
something that may have been averted by a human at the help
undone berry
I mean - the same is true for a human, and the computer is less temperamental
gentle moss
even if they only have one button that says "stop"
the london rail system is heavily automated already
undone berry
that being said - near Chernobyl, radioactive cows caused bits to flip and caused errors in the computer ticketing system
so
maybe it's not that unlikely
gentle moss
but i don't think removing a human from the situation is positive
so i don't believe in 100% automation
undone berry
I guess the cost of having a human is so minimal
that it doesn't really matter
well
it kidna does
if you get rid of the human, you can have much more regular trains
gentle moss
lets be ben shapiro in here
undone berry
that's a huge running cost
gentle moss
and lets say
the computer is right 98% of the time
do you stop having a train driver?
undone berry
there is clearly a number at which you stop having a train driver. Not 98% of the time, that's an incredibly rubbish train
high verge
undone berry
but figuring out what that number is, and when you've hit that number
high verge
it's the smooth operator
undone berry
is very hard
gentle moss
edge cases though
things a human brain might see an AI might not
there should be a dude sipping a coke and munching a kfc at the controls
undone berry
I mean, at some point the risk of a human throwing a hissy fit and intentionally crashing the train is gonna be higher than the risk of the computer missing an edge case
gentle moss
with one giant button that says "AW WE FUCT IT"
because if something's gone wrong on a train, what action is there?
stop it.
it's either going too fast and is going to fuck up on a bend
or it doesn't see another train in front o-
actually wait that one is pointless, they can't brake that fast
you'd save SOME lives with a human going "oh shit there's a train in the station already" sure
undone berry
The automation can come from more places than just inside the train though. You can start doing weird things like deelctrifying parts of the track
there's so many possible automated failsafes
that a human probably ends up being redundant
not soon
gentle moss
i may be bias as i never like being driven anywhere
undone berry
but in 100years time
undone berry
I have more faith in computers than I do humans
high verge
ah but faith in the designer
and the tester
and the project manager
and the guy that cleans the sensors
gentle moss
i mean, i know it's not the imaginary tech we're talking about, but tesla cars.
they've killed multiple people with their "autopilot"
undone berry
I dunno - I don't understand train risks all that well, but if it's at the point where there's a man who presses the ohfuck button that can only ever end safely, then that's pretty hard to complain about
gentle moss
partly that's people being idiots, partly that's a failure of AI
undone berry
But that's because the Tesla autopilot is being sold as a feature that it isn't
gentle moss
the two have to work hand in hand, imo
undone berry
also, that autopilot has probably saved more lives than it has cost
which is a bad metric
gentle moss
i'm all for AI integration in transport
providing it isn't my 2001 honda accord
:|
CAR GO VROOM CHARLIE
undone berry
there are people who electrify shitty old cars - I'd love to drive about in an electrified self-driving 1993 Ford Focus or something
wasn't even released then
but you get the point - just some shitbox that's really an electric car
gentle moss
yeah
i'm just not fully sold on our ability to hand over control of our death boxes to computers
undone berry
I feel like eventually we will be
though that definitely isn't now
with morons like Musk running about
gentle moss
i have never been even close to a fatal car crash
i know it's illogical, but i trust me more than an AI
despite going vroom, i am a very attentive driver.
i've actually avoided a few fatal accidents
undone berry
I mean - another thing is that it would clearly be better if 100% of people had to have self driving cars
gentle moss
one time there was a cross roads on a national section of road
undone berry
there's nothing you can really do about some guy texting and accidentally swerving across the centre line
gentle moss
HGV just pulled out, no attention
from 70 i slammed on my brakes, wasn't going to stop me
so i had to yank the handbrake
undone berry
just don't
gentle moss
the fact i even thought of that surprised me
gentle moss
ended up like 3ft from the lorry.
sideways
across 2 lanes
no handbrake i think i might have had a nasty one
undone berry
in that scenario, it's clearly better if the HGV had no choice but to be automated
but not for only you to have been automated
gentle moss
i mean, in my head it's a lot of conflict
if we were both automated it shouldn't have happened
but, i've said it a lot, edge cases
i live in a bendy area with lots of trees, lidar wouldn't have done it
you'd need every car to be in communication with every other car through another network
undone berry
for trains, it makes sense, for cars - humans are going to cause far more problems than any other edge case
gentle moss
but i live in a rural area
i've just been so successful in not dying under some awful circumstances
i don't trust a computer as much as me to keep me safe on the road
but, mostly, that's because other people are shit at driving
chicken egg, horse cart, etc.
undone berry
Yeah - clearly the actual solution is to just automate humans
gentle moss
oh my god you're a fucking genius
if only a chip in my brain could make me shower rather than me have the resolve to do it myself.
we could achieve some kind of utopia
undone berry
that's actually a pretty interesting take on automating humans
that would be genuinely great
let me sleep whilst the chip does all the menial stuff I don't want to do
undone berry
~~much smarter than my idea of having humans automatically crash cars into each other ~~
undone berry
except the vr is your eyes.
That's absolutely hilarious for some reason
high verge
is it even VR if it's indistinguishable from reality?
gentle moss
yes.
high verge
ok thanks
hang on let me write that down
just pop one of these in front of each eye
high verge
gentle moss
okay what fucking pointdoes that have?
high verge
pwetty colors
gentle moss
i'm really becoming less of a fan of OT intrusions by bullshit by the week.
undone berry
what you do is you melon baller out the eyes, then you replace them with robotic retinas, sit you in a car, then crash the car
median domeBOT
pwetty cowows
high verge
.uwu lol
median domeBOT
wow
gentle moss
ˢʰᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵘᶜᵏ ᵘᵖ
undone berry
that's a solid thing to do to stop a dumb argument - but not to interrupt an actual conversation
high verge
my uwuing is vital to national security
rough sapphire
did someone say uwu
high verge
my nation though
undone berry
makes it actually virtual
high verge
not anyone else's
gentle moss
they have a zombie for a brain
undone berry
the goal isn't to fix things
gentle moss
ˢʰᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵘᶜᵏ ᵘᵖ
high verge
hang on let me find my convo with my friend
undone berry
just to make the car crash virtual
high verge
high verge
undone berry
no - because you have to pay for the premium eye replacement service
gentle moss
ˢʰᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵘᶜᵏ ᵘᵖ
undone berry
so only rich people can afford it
high verge
i'm getting more and more autoreplies by the minute
rough sapphire
you alright bisk?
gentle moss
yeah so all the poor people would be on the road
with their normal eyes
and their normal bodies
and the rich would purge them
high verge
it's like how joseph started responding with 'lmfao' to literally everything i send him
gentle moss
ˢʰᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵘᶜᵏ ᵘᵖ
sand goblet
oh @high verge that's an LED matrix
I want to get one myself for a project but I also need to make a diffuser grid somehow
gentle moss
don't, g. we're having a conversation here.
undone berry
@sand goblet another OT channel maybe?
rough sapphire
what's going on here?
undone berry
well
gentle moss
me and charlie are talking
undone berry
it was a conversation about cars and automation
and is now a mildly interrupted conversation about automated eyes
gentle moss
i am usually a polite fellow
so if you see me telling you to ˢʰᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵘᶜᵏ ᵘᵖ after every message
take a hint.
undone berry
all conversations are useless and we're all going to die
gentle moss
WE'RE HAVING A FUCKING CONVERSATION
rough sapphire
bisk didn't tell me to shut the fuck up, woo
undone berry
doesn't mean it isn't fun
high verge
has anyone
undone berry
the goal is escapism and nonsense
gentle moss
take that somewhere else.
gentle moss
we are, in OUR conversation
high verge
i didn't mean to piss anyone off
gentle moss
JOIN IN
OR
FUCK OFF.
christ, i don't get like this often.
I'm sorry.
seriously though we were just having a nice ramble chat about stupid bullshit
at least try to join in.
rather than dumping random shit in.
or go to another off topic channel
there are 3 for a reason.
undone berry
It's just frustrating to have the flow of a conversation interrupted by an image - and happens constantly on this server. If a conversation is happening, it's generally best to participate in the flow or move to a different OT channel
gentle moss
i'm just gonna say cunt so this can be highlighted on my record. i didn't mean to lash out.
undone berry
that's an interesting approach to things honestly
gentle moss
it's frustrating to be in the middle of a conversation and have it constantly fucked up by people.
undone berry
although - this is quite possibly the first time i've seen you actually get angry
at least that I can recall
maybe angry is the wrong word
gentle moss
i KNOW this is off topic, but just the pure amount of interruption drive my fucking nut in.
high verge
i literally had no idea you were even mildly annoyed
i assumed you were meming
memeing
gentle moss
that's okay, but i mean like
high verge
gentle moss
if you were at a party and saw a bunch of people talking
high verge
i pretty much figured out what this meant by the time everything had come out
gentle moss
would you walk up to them and go
"I LIKE TRAINS, DO YOU LIKE TRAINS?"
they wouldn't like it.
unless they were talking about trains.
high verge
i guess it's like a bunch of really really drunk people talking about nonsense
that's how it seems to me
gentle moss
nonsense is fun
undone berry
I don't drink - but don't even drunk people usually stick to some common conversational flow?
not just say words near each other
gentle moss
i mean i'm slightly tipsy, but i still have articulation and conversational awareness.
these interruptions are just irritating.
nonsense is fucking great fun.
tame pier
Friendly reminder to keep it civil
gentle moss
robotic fucking eyeballs?
undone berry
yes - I'll take 3
gentle moss
sorry @tame pier, i did try to remain civil but lapsed for a bit. i was enjoying the conversation then it got all whacked up.
as seems to be the thing in OT's recently.
despite there being 3.
like charlies iBalls
you have to call them that btw
they have to be called iBalls
sand goblet
I was scrolled up and only saw the image tbh
tame pier
No worries it's just a reminder to all involved 😉
undone berry
I'd pay to not have to call them iBalls
sand goblet
Not using ot0 is a shout though
tame pier
ModsNeverSleep
undone berry
yeah, ot0 gets 5x as much talk as ot1/2
gentle moss
i'd fight the lawsuit to have them called iBalls
sand goblet
Hey known, you missed jackbox again :>
undone berry
iBalls is an offensive name
somethign about it
it feels like it could have been an actual product
gentle moss
just because you're an apple racist.
gentle moss
we'd do it outside of their sphere charles
imagine it
our balls in every eyesocket across the globe
undone berry
ah yes - my balls in all the eyesockets - truly a joyous thought
tame pier
I forgot jackbox is going again, re-made calendar entry
gentle moss
i'm glad you're finally on-board with this
tame pier
I usually get up later on Saturdays so I'm usually showering when it starts lol
gentle moss
right, i'll start research tomorrow to see how people feel about our balls in their eyes
rough sapphire
if you run out of eye sockets, you can try putting your balls in the electrical sockets 😎
gentle moss
the miss wont be happy about it, but i don't believe in scientific ethics
tame pier
10am so early ;-;
undone berry
maybe you can do both, use the iBalls to plug your brain into the electric socket
a socket to socket connection
gentle moss
use our balls as a data conduit?
undone berry
well - I guess we can do data
I was more just imagining a brain zappage
for the sake of zapping the brain
rough sapphire
brings a new meaning to brain zaps
undone berry
I guess this kind of electroshock therapy idea is no longer in vogue
gentle moss
they stopped doing that shortly after they stopped shoving icepicks into our balls
*eyeballs
undone berry
although - it is in keeping with the Apple brand, take something old and just make it flashier
gentle moss
started / stopped, oof failure.
to be honest, what company could better deliver a lobotomy than apple though?
undone berry
I feel like Fox news does a better job of lobotomising
Apple is more like the company selling the drills I guess
rough sapphire
electro convulsion therapy is still a thing though
gentle moss
fuck sake i thought you'd bring up fox but i didn't want to get political
undone berry
it was just too easy of an answer
gentle moss
however i do have 200 lines of rebukes
undone berry
rebukes for for saying Fox news doesn't lobotomise?
undone berry
I feel like it's a fairly apt description
rough sapphire
can we not do politics for one night :/
gentle moss
we're not.
royal laurel
On this goddamn server
royal laurel
What colour are your eyeballs bisk
undone berry
what do we do? Step up the conversational tree and go back to the idea of putting our iBalls in eyesockets?
rough sapphire
have you seen the colour of rage before?
royal laurel
Pretty?
gentle moss
my eyes are blue.
royal laurel
Pretty
gentle moss
because i'm ginger and that's statistically likely.
sand goblet
Heey, blue eye gang represent
rough sapphire
blue green grey
royal laurel
Oh here comes Mr I'm Attractive from Head to Toes
gentle moss
i'm already here
royal laurel
We know you're pretty g you don't have to brag
gentle moss
but anyway.
royal laurel
The rest of us have to struggle every day