#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 403

sand goblet May 30, 2020, 10:40 PM

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:>

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 10:40 PM

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oh no

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who needs security cameras when you could make robots that look hella scary

royal laurel May 30, 2020, 10:41 PM

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So! success at last

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I didn't even use RenderSystem

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MatrixStack

sand goblet May 30, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Noice

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 10:42 PM

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good job!

royal laurel May 30, 2020, 10:42 PM

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it wasn't even a model thing, it was purely a .translate class

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so i'm pretty content with that being so simple moving forward

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The only thing now is the stupid modelLegging, and me not knowing what the BipedRenderer format is

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 10:44 PM

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luckily you have google on your side

royal laurel May 30, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Oddly enough it has been pretty not helpful

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 10:45 PM

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ah, I feel the same

graceful basin May 30, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Google is bad at googling mc modding

royal laurel May 30, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Me copying github reps have given me more success than googling

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 10:46 PM

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than use that

royal laurel May 30, 2020, 10:46 PM

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I can't copy a line specifically made for this mod

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public class RenderTrumpetSkeleton extends BipedRenderer<EntityTrumpetSkeleton>```

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Why EntityTrumpetSkeleton is on red

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I can't just google that easily, so i try to see how others do it and go from there

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but this one specifically is just not working

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 10:48 PM

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hmm, I unfortunately can't help you

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but if you find a point were you are stuck and frustrated then you might want to take a step away from the code

royal laurel May 30, 2020, 10:51 PM

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I'll usually change class and start with another .java

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 10:51 PM

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interesting

royal laurel May 30, 2020, 10:58 PM

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I proceeded to take a break because my eyes are twitching

tight meadow May 30, 2020, 11:02 PM

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lol

soft violet May 31, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I can be trying to figure out something when I'm tired and want to make progress but I've learned it tends to be the better option to just sleep and come back to it after.

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Obvious solutions stick out more with a fresher mind.

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You wonder how stupid you must have been to have missed it.

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It's easy to overestimate your cognitive ability when you're tired.

shell raptor May 31, 2020, 2:56 AM

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+1

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it's like being drunk

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coding while drunk might be a fun experience, though

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Today I slept from 2pm to 8pm, so my schedule is completely broken.

clear plume May 31, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Sounds fun

tranquil orchid May 31, 2020, 5:44 AM

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meme channel you say

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lol

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Python meme channel

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Not just any memes :>

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 6:45 AM

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I love how I just woke up and was like "My tablet didn't charge? >:c" and threw every charger I had that "didn't" work at my wall, cut them and trashed. But in reality I was in power outage... Great, now I don't have any chargers and my device is about to die.

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 6:47 AM

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why in the heck would you do that

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like what leap of logic did that take

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 6:48 AM

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I low-key woke up like 10 minutes ago and I was so pissed that my device didn't charge. Couldn't be helped but to take out my anger on chargers.

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Well they're technically the part where my charging fails because connectors on them are weak. I'll just ask my mom for some money so I can buy like 5 USB cables smh.

soft violet May 31, 2020, 7:03 AM

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You dillpickle.

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I suspect that the port on my phone is a bit used. Sometimes the charging circuit doesn't close if the cable isn't angled properly.

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But it may be the cable.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Nah it was the cable, it always was plugging itself off the socket.

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https://github.com/brajeshwar/Microsoft-BASIC-for-6502-Original-Source-Code-1978/blob/master/M6502.MAC.txt#L6897

GitHub

brajeshwar/Microsoft-BASIC-for-6502-Original-Source-Code-1978

This is the original 1978 source code of Microsoft BASIC for 6502 with all original comments, documentation and easter eggs. - brajeshwar/Microsoft-BASIC-for-6502-Original-Source-Code-1978

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why is swearing in old MS code funny

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Lol

cosmic lotus May 31, 2020, 9:59 AM

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The lack of lower case letters just adds to it

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:13 PM

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i need to buy something

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quick!

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nvm, got it.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Corey Schafer is a daddy material, I can't imagine myself rn without his OOP and newbie Python courses.

autumn herald May 31, 2020, 3:22 PM

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A daddy material ?

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Yes

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I'm not gay but this is an exception.

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Was that supposed to be a python joke?

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:46 PM

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IDK, but I really like how Corey Schafer explains, I would be glad if he touched on C++ or JavaScript tutorials.

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 3:46 PM

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That would be really cool

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Yup

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I would want some c++ tutorials

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Same, I learned that the only IDE for C# is Visual Studio 2019 which runs shitty on my desktop so I thought, why not think about C++, it's fast according to all the claims...

wooden silo May 31, 2020, 3:47 PM

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@rough sapphire This kind of language and subject matter is inappropriate for this server.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Sorry I'll try to behave.

wooden silo May 31, 2020, 3:48 PM

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You better, because otherwise the only one who will suffer for it is you.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:48 PM

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i don't think what he said was too harmful, he didn't really use "gay" in a derogatory manner

wooden silo May 31, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Doesn't matter.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:48 PM

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And I'll make sure you're the one putting a hand on me.

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i don't agree with a blanket ban on the word "gay"

undone berry May 31, 2020, 3:49 PM

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I find it irritating, but I really don't see how it's harmful?

wooden silo May 31, 2020, 3:49 PM

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!tempban 716410253855555614 3d It seems like you didn't understand what I just told you, so take a timeout and think about it.

royal lakeBOT May 31, 2020, 3:49 PM

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failmail :ok_hand: applied ban to @fossil nexus until 2020-06-03 15:49 (2 days and 23 hours).

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Well then

bleak lintel May 31, 2020, 3:50 PM

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it wasn't a blanket ban on the word gay

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Corey Schafer is a daddy material

And I'll make sure you're the one putting a hand on me.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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🤔 that last one is a bit yikes

bleak lintel May 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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we only moderate usages of gay when it's derogatory, and even then we never infract on first utterance unless it's extreme

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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that got pretty HR complaint very quickly

bleak lintel May 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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lol

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yeah

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:52 PM

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annnnyhoooo

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looking to put together a raspi kit so i can grow my carolina reaper to maximum efficiency

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 3:53 PM

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That actually sounds super cool

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:53 PM

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what the in the

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... what, Rasmus

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what's in the kit

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:54 PM

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there's no kit, i'm having to decide things

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but it'll be a kit, because it'll be the thing to do the thing

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:54 PM

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nice, good

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:55 PM

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i figure like... moisture sensor and a temperature sensor? idk

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last food i grew was tomatoes and they were outside and easy

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:55 PM

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you're the first one I've heard say that about tomatoes

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:55 PM

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they took a lot of pruning and watching and shit

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but i just put them in dirt and up they grew

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with the correct plant food etc ofc

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blood / bonemeal

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:56 PM

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we had to set up a cable and tie some heavier branches to them

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they couldn't support their own weight

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Same

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Put a lil sugarcane stick, tied them up

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:56 PM

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oh we had a trellace behind them so keeping them up was easy

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well if they're so hard then i'm fine then

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sweet

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 3:57 PM

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They aren't really hard, just awfully slow

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:58 PM

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need to do reaper research

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 3:58 PM

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What do you plan on doing with them?

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:58 PM

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eye drops

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:58 PM

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eating them.

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Lol

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 3:58 PM

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The nomnoms

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 3:59 PM

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i'd probably dry them after trying one fresh and regretting it

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use them in chillis

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maybe pickle them 🤔

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 3:59 PM

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do you have a pepper grinder?

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a good one

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😳

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:00 PM

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not that could handle actual peppers

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I've clogged mine up with cheese

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:00 PM

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.... what

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:00 PM

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wat

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i like that for otn name

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clogged with cheese @bleak lintel

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#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval message

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i totally could've told you that it wouldn't work

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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haha what cheese did you use?

bleak lintel May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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!otn a clogged with cheese

royal lakeBOT May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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:ok_hand: Added clogged-with-cheese to the names list.

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Lmaooo

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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@rough sapphire parmesan

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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i mean don't you have a cheese grater?

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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no

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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oh

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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that was the crux of the issue

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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ooooh

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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@rough sapphire that's a disaster waiting to happen with any moisture 😄

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:01 PM

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i can see why you'd attempt that

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but a knife and a rocking chop method could've done better

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:02 PM

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I'm not the brightest bulb in the pencil case

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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well that peanut will surely turn into a beautiful nest egg

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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You put bulbs in a pencil case?

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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you don't?

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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No

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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why not?

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I put pencils in a pencil case

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:03 PM

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hmmm.... what could work instead of a cheese grater

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i have a woodworking rasp that'd do the trick

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maybe a few metal files if you wanted a finer grate

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could do shavings using a face shaving razer

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or a potato peeler

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Files would not give a good gratage for something like cheddar

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:05 PM

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@gentle moss ever made chilli oil or hot sauce?

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:05 PM

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only for harder dryer cheeses

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:05 PM

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i've made chilli oils, yeah

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:05 PM

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try a hot sauce if you have a blender

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:05 PM

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yeah, but he was using parm charlie

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:05 PM

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also a blender would work for the cheese issue

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:06 PM

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not if it's too wet

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parm, sure

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:06 PM

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only thinking parmesan there

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imagine something like gouda in a blender

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:06 PM

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ah sure - didn't catch that bit

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:06 PM

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that's a bada idea

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damn, that pun doesn't work

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:06 PM

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honestly, it seems like a herb grinder shoulda worked for parm

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:07 PM

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too uhhh...

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crushing rather than slicing

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:07 PM

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a mortar and pestle?

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:07 PM

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that'd be worse

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:07 PM

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that would work

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:07 PM

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you'd be just mashing cheese into a splatted out lump

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:07 PM

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a pepper grinder is a different issue

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not if it's parmesan

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I'm imagining the kind of thing you'd buy alongside some specialist glassware

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rather than a pepper grinder

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Maybe the simple solution is to get a cheese grader

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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althouhg

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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oh you mean a grinder grinder?

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I realise now

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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i don't think they'd handle cheese

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I misinterpreted

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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despite... being made for cheese

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<_<

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_>

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Well I am not a cheese expert so I can’t help you

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:09 PM

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i am a cheese expert

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i got my degree in rastamouse

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 4:09 PM

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A PhD in cheese

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:10 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2O30pDefKs

YouTube

Rastamouse

Rastamouse - Theme Tune (Official)

Official Opening title sequence to the hit childrens series Rastamouse!
For more fun with Rastamouse & da Easy Crew Click here ► https://www.youtube.com/user/RastamouseCompany

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now that was some serious afternoon TV

bleak lintel May 31, 2020, 4:11 PM

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holy shit yes

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:11 PM

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fucking loved that show

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and i watched it in my 20's

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:12 PM

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@undone berry no, I did use a "herb" grinder and, yeah, it worked somewhat okay

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Don’t even know the show but that theme tune proves that is it godly

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I got my cheese groten

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it's just that now my grinder is full of cheese

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Ok- yeah, that does seem like it would be an issue

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:13 PM

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wire brush

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providing it's not plastic

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that'd just paint you as a cheapskate though

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:14 PM

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like not buying a cheese grater in the first place? that type of cheapskate

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:14 PM

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yeah, actually.

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how do you not own a cheese grater?

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first rule of moving house: buy loads of stuff you will rarely ever use and 3 cheese graters

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I have 0 cheese graters

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 4:15 PM

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what's wrong with you

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:15 PM

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have had to resort to just attacking cheese with a knife

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:16 PM

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lines are being drawn, lads

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pick a side

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:16 PM

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i guess you've got your julienne skills down by now charlie

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Nah - that implies far more method than there really was in my grateing

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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you could always use the potato peeler method

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i think norway was wrong to claim it invented the cheese slicer

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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also 0 potato peelers

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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it's just a shittier potato peeler

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god damn it do you even have plates?

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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a cheese slicer is a worthwhile investment

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I have 2

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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ahhh

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one for regular

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other for sunday best

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:18 PM

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yes - exactly my methodology

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Honestly - a potato peeler is pretty unnecessary

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pretty easy to just use a paring knife

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:19 PM

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i value potato highly so feel the paring knife method is wasteful

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i actually sharpened my potato peeler recently

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 4:21 PM

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https://twitter.com/eliistender10/status/1253225274424152068?s=20

Giles Paley-Phillips (@eliistender10)

Mind blown https://t.co/llFEm5ILlt

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gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:21 PM

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one bonus to this lockdown

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everything in the house is sharp now

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who knew?

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I assume you have to be very careful when handling the plates

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:22 PM

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i knew, because it has two fucking blades

undone berry May 31, 2020, 4:22 PM

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don't want to cut yourself on those razor plate rims

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:22 PM

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our lockdown frisbee golf tournament has suffered somewhat

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 4:28 PM

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we have one of those suction cup attached counter top knife sharpeners

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dad is the only one that actually manages to sharpen anything on it

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it doesn't work for the rest of us

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:30 PM

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i've got a fixed position thing with a clamp and adjustable blade angle type deals

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i do have to screw it to a piece of wood though

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and it's a bit too small for my larger knives

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but i think my stones are pretty fucked now anyway, i've been using them on garden tools

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everything is sharp now.

pine vector May 31, 2020, 4:35 PM

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my weapon of choice: https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/204MF/Tri-Angle-Sharpmaker-reg-/77

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:36 PM

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nice

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i love the name

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i bet it does make the sharp

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oh twin angle too

pine vector May 31, 2020, 4:37 PM

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indeed. takes some work when re-establishing the full bevel.

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:38 PM

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📎 HTB1.png

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that's sort of what i have, with far fewer stones

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and smaller

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and no suction cup so i gotta screw it to stuff.

pine vector May 31, 2020, 4:39 PM

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those suction cups rarely work well anyway. so picky on surfaces...

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 4:40 PM

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it's a bit of a pain to setup the angle too

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gotta get my phone out and stuff

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need to sharpen my shovel

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bush stump needs digging out but soooooo many roots

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Knife sharpener??

soft violet May 31, 2020, 5:10 PM

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It looks like a vibrophone or something.

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Xylophone. Whichwhatever.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 5:13 PM

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dunno what it is but it has the flag of Estonia on it

📎 Screenshot_20200531-201303.jpg

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 5:13 PM

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:D

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Dinosaur is on screen

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And I've never been happier

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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If I roll a 1 I will delete all my internet accounts

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.roll

median domeBOT May 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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terning2

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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.help

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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if I don't roll a 5, you'll start using these commands in #bot-commands :)

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.roll

median domeBOT May 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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terning3

tight meadow May 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Well shit

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It would be funny if you rolled a five

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 5:49 PM

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wanna think about this one?

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just because something has a probability of 0% to happen doesn't mean it can never happen.

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why

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but if something can never happen then it definitely has 0% probability to happen, so it doesn't go both ways.

pine vector May 31, 2020, 5:51 PM

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probable != possible...

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 5:52 PM

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@pine vector something along those lines yes 🙂

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I'd argue nothing can be ultimately 0% probable to happen

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the math is something like this

📎 unknown.png

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so the confusion starts when you start rolling infinite-sided dice

royal laurel May 31, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Possible and plausible

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:)

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 5:57 PM

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for me, a one sided die is enough to cause confusion

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heh

gentle moss May 31, 2020, 6:04 PM

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a one sided die is just a two headed coin

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:02 PM

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lol @ that last one, well played

📎 Screenshot_20200531-220205.jpg

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:19 PM

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so what's everyone up to tonight

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I think I'm gonna make hot chocolate

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 7:30 PM

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"tonight" where are you where it is night right now?

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Ireland

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 7:31 PM

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it's like a different time zone.........

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 7:31 PM

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8.30pm is definitely night

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:31 PM

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the speak different languages there too

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like, gaelic

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Our main language is definitely English

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But there are some areas that still speak Gaelic yeah

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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that's super rad

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that it still exists

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 7:34 PM

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It's also spoken in Scotland. Scots Gaelic.

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:45 PM

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javascript ain't all that bad. if you use react.

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starting to kinda like it.

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 7:46 PM

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I prefer Vue

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:46 PM

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i mean you're not really even writing javascript. you're writing typescript, I think?

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 7:46 PM

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And yeah I also use typescript

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It's good stuff

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 7:46 PM

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or JSX whatever it is

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don't have experience with vue yet

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this redux thing they do with react is fun too

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:08 PM

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"tonight" where are you where it is night right now?
@wanton sun estonia

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:09 PM

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whats an estonia?

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oh

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:12 PM

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🙃

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american, i presume

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:13 PM

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how could you possibly guess?

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I've noticed most people who don't know what an Estonia is generally tend to be from the states

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:14 PM

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its not like I don't know geography or anything

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:16 PM

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no offense meant

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:16 PM

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yeah lol

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:16 PM

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but your geography education standards aren't the highest

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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We are #1 in geography just like with everything else

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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'merica! 🦅

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but estonia is #2

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:20 PM

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America is #1 and #2 and #3 and so on for however many countries there are...

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Wait thats not a good thing......

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:20 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/4q4tm7/every_country_belongs_to_america/

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all your base are belong to us

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:25 PM

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thats why when we tour countries, we respect the people already there.......

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:26 PM

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ha

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why did the americans have to win the cold war 😐

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:28 PM

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people dont approve of our actions? https://tinyurl.com/yy4zchzj

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:28 PM

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~~memes will get you in trouble~~

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:28 PM

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embeds.....

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:28 PM

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yes

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try putting < > around the link

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then it won't embed it

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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https://tinyurl.com/yy4zchzj

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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good

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entries/icons/facebook
know your meme cdn

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???

wanton sun May 31, 2020, 8:31 PM

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dont get so hung up on the details

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:31 PM

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do you have saku xx

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what was the other a le coq

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kuld?

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there's shit tonnes of a le coqs

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they make most mainstream alcoholic drinks here

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saku is piss tho

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it's all about that craft beer

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although I'm not a beer guy in general

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i thought you liked beer

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longeros and ciders are more my thing

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is it longeros in estonian?

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it would be lonkeros in finnish plural

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one lonkero, two lonkeros

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yeah, we say longero

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either that or just "gin"

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heh

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i guess that's what it tastes like or is made of basically

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yep, plus, it says that on the can for most of them

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gini-lonkero

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📎 Hartwall-gin-can__60719.1584412940.1000.1200.png

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yeah exactly

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📎 GN_grapefruit_05L_small-308x500.png

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etc etc

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they export those to great britain and california etc

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it'd really hard to actually order real gin because of this

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people go nuts over them

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because bartenders usually think you mean this

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it's some kind of delicacy

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you could export as much as you wanted

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and people would buy that shit

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the a le coq one is the worst of them all tbh

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well it's not really that available outside of fi + ee

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afaik

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maybe sweden?

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yep

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impossible to find in the UK

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Is that just grapefruit gin?

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:39 PM

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no. it's only 5.5% ABV

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it's a long drink made with gin

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or what do you say, alcohol per volume

sand goblet May 31, 2020, 8:39 PM

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I was gonna say, that'd be like drinking paint stripper

rough sapphire May 31, 2020, 8:39 PM

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much sweeter than actual gin

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it's good though

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yeah it's very drinkable

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it's less sweet than cider but much more sweet than beer

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 1:00 AM

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@rough sapphire that looks nice

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blueberry gin and violet gin taste great

solid elbow Jun 1, 2020, 1:08 AM

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that does look good...

soft violet Jun 1, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Well. That other conversation was...let's go with rousing.

tame pier Jun 1, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Let's go with unpleasant

soft violet Jun 1, 2020, 3:26 AM

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To you, yours.

plain slate Jun 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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i just realized coroutine is prounounced co-routine (like two routines happening with eachother). and man have i been pronouncing it wrong for years

soft violet Jun 1, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Like core oh teen?

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corro teen?

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co roux tyne?

solid elbow Jun 1, 2020, 4:42 AM

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co-row-teen?

tight meadow Jun 1, 2020, 4:45 AM

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co ru teen

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Does anyone know php well enough to tell what im doing wrong?

$ php -f index.php -S localhost:8000

Assuming I am in the working directory of a project with such a file, the server locahost is being served a blank page.

Not really trying to learn php, just how to look at it

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index.php is implied with the development server

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you can try removing the -f part although it ideally shouldn't make a difference

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you can try adding -t . as well, but generally that's also implied

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it should work. What does your index.php look like? Could do <?php echo 'hello world'; ?> at first to be 100% certain it isn't the script acting up

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@rough sapphire

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Ill try that, and actually I didnt consider looking because its not my work, a friend is sharing.

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It appears to be some type of templating with functions that are getting content from somewhere nto defined. I'll figure it out if that should work.

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not defined as far as i can tell not knowing php*

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if the script silently fails before any rendering happens (or if the script just doesn't output anything, which is the case for a lot of them), then you'll just get a blank page yeah

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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yeah I think he needs to fix his thing before showing it to me ha

feral flax Jun 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Hi I'm French I just started in the "coding" please I need help I want to develop a game at the moment I'm a tutorial but I would like to know more

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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What kind of game? Are you interested in starting with simple games maybe?

feral flax Jun 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Simple game

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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hi, welcome to pydis. Please refrain from spamming up all of the OT channels. I'm sure lots of people here are willing to help you

feral flax Jun 1, 2020, 6:31 AM

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yeah

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:32 AM

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I read "Invent Your Own Games With Python" by Al ... forget last time. These are very simple games but they teach basic python.

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You might consider Java or Unity though if you want to do "real" games

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Al Sweigart

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:32 AM

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thats it

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another question....

feral flax Jun 1, 2020, 6:33 AM

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yes

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:33 AM

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in bash, when moving into and out of a subshell, what is the easiest way to take your exported env vars with you temporarily?

feral flax Jun 1, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Java is harder than Unity?

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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I believe that it is yes. Its takes more effort and determination i think to learn it as first language.

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or at least school classes forcing it on you

feral flax Jun 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Ok thx

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:35 AM

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lets say I want to start a script with bash exports.sh and all it iis is expor lines.

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well, when it finishes running, subshell done

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exports gone

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echo them instead and eval them from the parent shell

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similar to how you eval $(pyenv-init -)

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right okay. So, when you do that you have the subshell inside of the $() but its called from outside?

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I wish thath shell script would just do functions intstead of the shell thing haha

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its basically similar to scope in functions

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At first I confused $() with ${} from js or f'{}' from python but it doesnt work the same

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bash is an awful langugae to be honest, it just sometimes is the best thing for the job.

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I wish I understood the importance of jumping into a new shell to do every unique process. It seems like they have tried very hard to make it difficult

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or maybe to protect things

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I think bash is an ok language, it deals largely with obscure GNU/Linux characteristics which I love

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subshells behaving like that is because a child process always inherits the parent's environment, but never the other way around unless the parent explicitly waits for the child to finish and then overwrites its own env with the child's

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Well, those things I do love about it, because it is very Linux and I enjoy Linux in terms of... operating my machine. But in terms of building applications with it, I dont care for it haha

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i see.

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actually i remember reading that

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why does the apple terminal use the $ prefix? is there a certain reason?

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I remember reading about a zombie process that waits for a child or parent that never comes.

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it was a wtf thing in my book

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it's just a common way to denote an user shell @rough sapphire

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Oh okay

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another is % like zsh

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it tells you, "this is a prompt"

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conversely, root shells have the # prompt

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it's a quick way to see whether you're a regular user or root

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eek i just know lua where there werent any prefixes

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i didnt know that but i recognize that thats true

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you can change it to anything though

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just stuff like

if part.Character.true then ()example WaitForParent.FindFirstChild.

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echo $PS1

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thus variable holds your prompt

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wait, you're not talking about the prompt?

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its in ~/.bashrc in linux.

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Can someone explain what Parents and Childs are? sorry if its off topic

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a child is just a process executed from another process, who in that scenario is the parent

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every process has a parent process

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ohhh

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except for init

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init is?

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sort of

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sorry im a noob 😭

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init is the first process that runs - it's executed by the kernel

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oh ok

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ill need to do some research all i know is bullion threads and stuff 😳

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init is usually responsible for setting up the userland of a system (ie running services and the like)

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excuse my spelling

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I see.

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startjob to do this and that

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Thanks for the clarification.

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is that init?

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startjobs are usually parsed by init

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this sounds very interesting I will look into it

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what would you recommend as a beginning project

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if you are really into the obscure stuff, its fun read man pages when you're new to POSIX systems at least linux has them. It sounds like your asking questions about system things.

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I mean like as a first project to do with Python. Some people said make a basic disc bot but what other options are there?

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ah I see. It depends. Try something that looks in a directory at what files are there and determines what they are and where they go

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and puts them there

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oh

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like a .json file?

visual jungle Jun 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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matt, check this out : https://github.com/karan/Projects

GitHub

karan/Projects

:page_with_curl: A list of practical projects that anyone can solve in any programming language. - karan/Projects

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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i tried making a bot with JS and i failed because of my proxy error

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as an example, systemd is a popular choice for init. To be able to interact with the init system and have it set up services for you, systemd provides what are called "units" which define what process to start up and the specifics around it (as what user, is it a background process or an one-shot process, etc)

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Well more like, if you're really new, one of the first things youll need to learn is how to look at whats in the directory you are in, how to grab those files that you want, and then how to determine what paths are around you and if they exist , etc

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it goes through each of the activated units and runs the specified processes as instructed

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I see.

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Okay thanks so much for all the advice

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does sysemctl interface with systemd?

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i never call systemd but im familiar with that some peopl do

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yep, systemctl is just a fancy front end for activating and managing systemd units

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I got really scared when I cleared my cache in terminal and it said "i sure hope you know what youre doing"

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similar to how I use apt instead of that debian module system or whatever it is

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ha

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i thought i did something wrong

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lol

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apt interfaces with aptitude which interfaces with dpkg

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yeah thats it

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If you are using Linux, you do have to get used to your machine telling you things like, "Here is what I am going to do? Did you waant to do that? Itm ight be a good idea Yeah/n?" but remember that Linux is asking you, "Look this over and tell me if you want this," its not walking you through it.

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nopasswd systemctl sudo rules are also one of my favourite privesc methods

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privesc?

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letting an user activate systemd units at will, what could go wrong

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losing privledge?

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privilege escalation

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ah the opposite

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going from regular user to root, yeah

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yeah i never heard the shorthand

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 6:57 AM

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via expansion? (sec noob...)

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:57 AM

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So, are you saying you think that ubuntu having a no password root with sudo is not good or something else?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 6:58 AM

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someone should always have to enter a password

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:58 AM

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i am also a sec newb. Im maybe more advanced that the average person but that doesnt mean a lot

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Right but in ubuntu there is no password for root. Its just sudo that they open root up.

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 6:59 AM

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sudo password for the user?

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 6:59 AM

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@rough sapphire nah, it's common to see that an unprivileged user (which you've somehow breached) has been given the right to run systemctl via sudo and no password required, usually to be able to restart a service if it crashes or hangs. This is extremely common for some reason

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yeah, im not saying anything releavent by pointing that out, i just read it recently

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Ahhhh.

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Yeah that is something i would not do in my most braindead sleep deprived moments

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you can use systemctl to run anything else, which means ez root code execution

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Im not super into shortcuts and i dont get people that do them

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my mistakes are just sheer ignorance not negligence

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:00 AM

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note to self: exclude systemctl in nopasswd sudoer entries. thanks xx! 😄

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Isnt a nopasswd sudoer entry for anything kind of like... potential for escalation of some kind even if ito another regular user

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on some systems, it's as easy as running just sudo systemctl. This usually drops into $PAGER, which on a lot of systems is less, which lets you run commands via !. Guess who those commands run as?

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ahh i see haha.

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less is more indeed

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some nopasswd entries are fine

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 7:03 AM

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oooh that's sneaky

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:04 AM

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if you prune the environment before execution, which sudo usually does by default, and if your nopasswd entry is something basic like a predefined script, then it's usually fine. Still not recommended regardless

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:04 AM

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this is also why shlex is muy importante when running something via subprocess.

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:04 AM

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I try to avoid subprocess for anything except what are basically scripts i will dispose of. What is shlex?

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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it properly escapes shell commands, which reduces expansion/injection. https://docs.python.org/3/library/shlex.html#module-shlex

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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ah that makes sense.

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i jsut use it very carefully and simply haha

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but ill look at that next time

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:06 AM

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then you're doing it right, for the most part. 😄 subprocess shouldn't be bandied about like nothing.

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:06 AM

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yeah, its basically a trick for me when using python as if were a shell script lang

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 7:07 AM

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popen dem subprocesses like pringles maaang

visual jungle Jun 1, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Is it bad practice to use global variables ?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 7:08 AM

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once you pop, you just can't stop those forked processes oh my god they keep forking wha-

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:08 AM

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If the global variables change value, yes

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:08 AM

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That is a better way of saying what I was going to say

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:08 AM

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globals are discouraged. right, when they're not constant.

visual jungle Jun 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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how else would i pass info into a function ?

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Parameters

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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really late, but this is what I meant by that $PAGER trick

📎 Screenshot_20200601-100906.jpg

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 7:10 AM

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nice

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:10 AM

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eegads. that is sneaky...

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:10 AM

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So, did you enter something at less that resulted in that following being in root shell?

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yeah, I was in less and just did !/bin/sh

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I didnt even know less took commands actually.

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not a lot of people do

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 7:11 AM

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you'd be surprised how many things have built in shell commands

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:11 AM

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thats what i like about ipython repl

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the same things works

glass gorge Jun 1, 2020, 8:14 AM

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This was a fun cleaning project 🤔

📎 JPEG_20200601_101430.jpg

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 8:17 AM

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I'm afraid of opening old electronics up, ever since the ant incident...

glass gorge Jun 1, 2020, 8:17 AM

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... The ant incident

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?

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 8:18 AM

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the antcident

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but, yeah, ants

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ants everywhere

glass gorge Jun 1, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Seems fun

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Everything changed when the ant nation attacked

glass gorge Jun 1, 2020, 8:19 AM

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This was more a nicotine, nicotine dust eveywhere

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That stuff sticks like a mofo

wheat lynx Jun 1, 2020, 8:41 AM

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You can see the exact moment that the logo changed to celebrate pride month

📎 unknown.png

bronze root Jun 1, 2020, 8:42 AM

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pepePoint

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 9:36 AM

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@undone berry On a separate topic, you said that a local business had taken over an old McDonald's building. Have you seen buildings that were old Pizza Huts get taken over? The obvious roof makes it pretty funny. 😄

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 9:37 AM

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The pizza huts are so blatantly obvious, I kinda enjoy randomly seeing htem

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Oh look, there's a pizza hut selling carpet

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 9:38 AM

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It's one of those things that you might not remember when that Pizza Hut was around, but you know for a fact it used to be one.

high verge Jun 1, 2020, 9:42 AM

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https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/death-of-george-floyd

Know Your Meme

Death of George Floyd

The Death of George Floyd occurred on May 25th, 2020 after a police officer pinned Floyd to the ground with his knee. Video of the altercation went viral on Facebook, leading to the dismissal of the four officers and calls for their prosecution through protests and demonstrati...

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why is this a thing

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 9:46 AM

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'murrica

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 9:48 AM

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the fact it's on "know your meme" is a little shitty.

solid pollen Jun 1, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Looks like they are fair memes, for the equality between blacks and whites

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:01 AM

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whelp.

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bunch o' people got fired.

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 10:01 AM

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u2?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:02 AM

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nah, customer.

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de-activating accounts etc

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 10:02 AM

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you can fire customers?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:02 AM

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i mean, yeah you can.

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but our customer is firing uhhh...

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our customers.

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wew, lotta people

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man i know a lot of these names but i haven't got a clue, what they look like or what they do

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and i just boop, disabled.

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i hope their HR department is doing this properly...

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"hi, for some reason my VPN disconnected and now i can't get back in...." would be an oof

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had one of them before where we shut down accounts at the request of a HR department but they hadn't informed the people they'd fired that they were fired.

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so we ended up getting people call into us about "technical problems" and wtf do you do then

#

beyond feel awful for the people who got fired like that

high verge Jun 1, 2020, 10:32 AM

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really scummy to get you guys to tell them basically as well

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:33 AM

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that one did cause a ruckus

steel pilot Jun 1, 2020, 10:45 AM

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is mc dungeons made in java

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or in a mainstream engine like unity or unreal

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woah it isn't made in java https://www.pcgamesn.com/minecraft-dungeons/unreal-engine

PCGamesN

Minecraft: Dungeons is made in the Unreal Engine

The upcoming RPG uses a different engine from the rest of the franchise

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 10:47 AM

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yeah, java is not all that great for gamedev, though it worked well for MC, as it gave it the most powerful mods of any game that I know of

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:47 AM

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minecraft was a prototype and should never have been released like that

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rip all the wasted memory.

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 10:49 AM

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honestly, you can do a lot better job at making a java game than MC is.

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 10:49 AM

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There's no real engines for it right?

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So no one wants to do it from scratch

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:50 AM

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microsoft ported it to c or c-something iirc?

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 10:50 AM

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LWJGL, libGTK do exist, but they are no unity

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:50 AM

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but it killed mod support, which is a killer.

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 10:50 AM

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Loving Wonka Junior, good laugh

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:50 AM

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¬_¬

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 10:50 AM

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yeah, bedrock is in C++, so mods are kind of meh on that version

steel pilot Jun 1, 2020, 10:51 AM

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oh yeah is there any benefit from learning the C's other than game development

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:52 AM

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it's a foundational language

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Yes. It's much lower level and gives you an idea of how things actually work

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 10:52 AM

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most of what you touch or use technology wise is built, in some way, on something C-ish

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 11:42 AM

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it happened. yay miscommunication.

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seriously, get your shit together before you fire people. :|

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 11:43 AM

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it?

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@gentle moss 👀?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 11:44 AM

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they got us to disable an account of someone who wasn't due to be fired today.

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Ouch.

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 11:45 AM

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i am just a cog in the machine

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 12:41 PM

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this is like that episode of black mirror

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In other news.. I set up an ftp server today for local use.. it's been a while.. I think I finally have a handle on the OSI model

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 12:55 PM

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oh no

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why ftp?

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 1:25 PM

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sftp?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:25 PM

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^

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pretty much what i was going with

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FTP / FTPS are not really recommended as protocols for moving files around

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FTP is insecure and FTPS is a patch on a broken system.

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:26 PM

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I hate it when the names are so close like that

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Reminds me of a program we have at work that got updated

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It went from CS Accounting to Accounting CS

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No joke

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:27 PM

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too many acronyms

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a real world IT problem.

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Absolutely

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And I guess there's no real way to be rid of those other protocols since they're standards?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:28 PM

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SFTP is still FTP just over an SSH session

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so, yeah... kinda

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it just exists in a lot of areas.

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:29 PM

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You ever feel like our computer infrastructure is just a bunch of loosely fitting Lego pieces and one of these days it's just going to fall over and scatter across the floor?

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 1:29 PM

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100%

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Glad it's not just me

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:30 PM

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that's very much what my job feels like

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a lot

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 1:30 PM

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There are many things that if you have even a basic understanding of how it works, you understand it's held together by tape

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:31 PM

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for instance, our webserver kept crashing after i ran some updates

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Tape and a mutual agreement that this is how things are

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:31 PM

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why? didn't know for ages. disk i/o problem.

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turns out one docker container was flipping its shit for no reason and consuming all the disk i/o

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just rebuilt the container and it was fine... :|

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Weird

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:32 PM

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fucking computers, how do they work?

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Gnomes

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Bits of gravity in them

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Oh. Computers, not magnets

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:33 PM

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the magic blue smoke that escapes when you kill them?

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that's a genie. you killed a genie.

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Can't argue with science

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Genie science

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Which some might claim isn't science at all

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Fools

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:35 PM

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so ~30 people fired. :|

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about 10 of them had been working there for +10 years.

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:36 PM

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There where, at your place of work?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:36 PM

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~35% of the workforce

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eh, a customer.

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Ah gotcha

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:36 PM

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we were close with them though. used to share office functions to save on money.

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christmas do's and the like

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Sure sure

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:37 PM

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liked some of those people. :(

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 1:37 PM

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I'm guessing it was due to Covid cutbacks?

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:38 PM

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number of things, that's one. arguably they've been overstaffed for a while.

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i just find firing someone who's been with you for over 10 years pretty... brutal. like hard to think about.

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especially when that wanker in sales could probably go and no one would blink.

gentle moss Jun 1, 2020, 1:59 PM

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birbs do the chirping, think i've got a nest of something somewhere

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:03 PM

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whew, that's doom eternal finished

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you really have to let autopilot take over in the end, there's so much movement you have to do

lofty dirge Jun 1, 2020, 3:04 PM

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wanker in sales can probably justify his cost to the company

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esp if they are on commission

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Can an {% include 'template.html' %} in jinja2 render any plaintext encoded properly into the parent template html even if it is like includethis.txt

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I think its possible because its insde of an html as a child template

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Jinja isn't a HTML template engine

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It's just a template engine

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Oh? I may use the wrong terminology then

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:44 PM

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It doesn't care about what's in the file aside from its own tags

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Oh right yeah. cool

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thank you

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a change in file type helps me see which is which

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Slowmode is messing me up

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:45 PM

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it happens ha

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I hope we don't have to get used to this

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:45 PM

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if you have something you ever want to explain call me to #web-development

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Yeah, I'm really not a fan. I get disproportionately annoyed when trying to send a message and being blocked

soft violet Jun 1, 2020, 3:46 PM

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It lasts for all of what, five seconds? We'll live.

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:46 PM

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i think it has to do with the hatred in the air

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 3:46 PM

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It's more that it doesn't work with my habit of splitting thoughts across multiple messages

soft violet Jun 1, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Mm. I get it.

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:47 PM

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last night was terrible

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i keep pressing enter and the window keeps shaking ever so angrily

soft violet Jun 1, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I'm a multiliner like that, too.

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Yeah, the angry window then makes me angry

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:48 PM

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masochism mode: every time you press enter before the timer is up, it adds a second to the timer

soft violet Jun 1, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Cumulatively.

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:49 PM

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It should have a thing that visually alers you its on like pulsing so you stop typing like that

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:49 PM

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It'd be nice if it was able to queue up a single message

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 3:49 PM

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IMO they should just make it pay to win and exclude us Patrons from slowmode

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:49 PM

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@rough sapphire Do you mean autoescaping?

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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@undone berry No

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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I'm not sure that is what i mean. When did I mean what? haha

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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(that was a joke tbf, I don't think there should be associated benefits)

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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The no was for any onlookers

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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yeah, that's fair

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Is there actually a perm for that?

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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no benefits? what about the massage i was promised?

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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@rough sapphire No no, that was just an us deal

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Not a Patreon thing

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I thought manage messages was the bypass

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:51 PM

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OMG I EARNED A BONUS MESSAGE

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ah, fair enough

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sarcasm

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lemon_smug

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my lady is addicted to her phone game worse than anyone i have ever seen. She treats it like someone at work she has importnt meetings withj

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 3:51 PM

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That was a waste of a bonus message

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Lol, I see

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I told her that if I was that addicted to that game,. I would load it up on an emulator and automate making it play itself. Luckily I dont have that condition

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What game is it?

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hmmm, thats a good question. Its one where you dress up anime lookings girls with fashion and you like... sent them to theme parties and other little girls and women judge you harshly?

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No clue

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me neither it will come to me maybe

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she just says my game

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Did the message in #web-development help?

timid vigil Jun 1, 2020, 4:10 PM

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« We want to make everyone here feel welcome, no matter of their [...] identity »... so self-identified nazis included? 🤔

tardy wind Jun 1, 2020, 4:12 PM

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How is that question productive

timid vigil Jun 1, 2020, 4:14 PM

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If 1 identity is not welcomed, « everyone » cannot be used

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 4:16 PM

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@timid vigil Well then we'll clarify. Everyone who isn't also trying to cause issues for anyone else in the server.

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But you know that your comment is intentionally pedantic, and I'd rather not have to deal with that, if you don't mind

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So stop while you're ahead

timid vigil Jun 1, 2020, 4:17 PM

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There is reason to be percise, I tell you that

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Noted

tardy wind Jun 1, 2020, 4:17 PM

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So people like you don’t bother us normal people?

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 4:17 PM

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So people like you...
Can we not sling accusations?

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I'd really appreciate that

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:20 PM

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us normal people

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normal isn't good, buddy.

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normal's boring.

solid pollen Jun 1, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Nobody's normal here anyway

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:24 PM

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I live to be boring

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:26 PM

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you should get into the mining industry.

covert scaffold Jun 1, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Is there such thing as normal though

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I live to be boring
I'm the complete opposite

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I'm really an earthworm, so I bore to be living

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:28 PM

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so... cough

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I preferred the discussion of boringicity

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:29 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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as you wish, don't wanna make people uncomfortable

dense crag Jun 1, 2020, 7:30 PM

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My friend just texted me
“ur like the Genghis Khan of fucking vulnerable people”
Wtf does that mean

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:30 PM

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ask the friend, not us?

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🤔

dense crag Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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He’s refusing to explain

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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ur like the Genghis Khan - a lot
of fucking vulnerable people - 2 possible meanings, neither all that great

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:31 PM

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He was an emperor

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The greatest conqueror of all time

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So I'd say nothing positive here yeah

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:32 PM

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wasn't Genghis Khan actually the man behind khan academy?

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🤔

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:32 PM

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No

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:32 PM

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🤔

dense crag Jun 1, 2020, 7:32 PM

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That’s sal khan

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I really want to know if fucking is an expletive or a synonym for sex here

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Going to go with the former

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Didn't even consider that

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Although I think I can properly sum it up

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Your friend is an idiot

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Insults shouldn't take a panel of consultants to try and decipher

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:34 PM

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he just didn't have the time nor crayons to explain it to you

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I disagree, obscure insults are more fun. This one is a bit strange though

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:34 PM

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especially consultants that have zero context...

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Obscure is fine but I doubt this makes sense even contextually

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I would not use Genghis Khan of sth for something negative. You are the Genghis Khan of laziness just sounds wack

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Yeah. It's just bad I think

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It's just a worse version of King of

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:36 PM

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a failed attempt at creative mockery

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:36 PM

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but that's amazing actually 🤔

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Pardon?

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:36 PM

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that was creative at least!

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Ehhh....

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Not quite as creative as "you've got your head shoved so far up your own ass you can check yourself for cavities"

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:37 PM

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really was not. You cannot just pick random historical figures and use them in insults

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:37 PM

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btw i'm actually thinking about creating analogue of https://www.thiswaifudoesnotexist.net/ but with Foundation objects generated by GPT2

This Waifu Does Not Exist v3 (TWDNEv3) - Gwern

TWDNEv3: A site demonstrating anime faces generated by StyleGAN 2 neural networks and text snippets generated by GPT-2-small.

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with Django

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:38 PM

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You are the Einstein of burning pasta is not funny (well, it is so bad it is funny, but not the point there)

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:38 PM

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or with node + express... haven't decided on that yet, but Django will probably be easier

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:39 PM

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"If I had a dollar for every good idea you've had, not only would I be poor but I would also owe a significant debt to at least 3 credit card companies"

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Eh, I'm trying too hard

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:41 PM

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actually, i'm quite impressed by how JS grown out of web-only language to a multi-purpose one like Python

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i mean, Electron and Node

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and even rotjs for roguelikes

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I still wonder whether it was such a good thing though

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:41 PM

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It feels like it's one sneeze away from falling apart, though

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Yeah, pretty much

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:41 PM

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It's just not meant to be this thing it has become

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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true, but hey, it's used in a lot of places

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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That's....

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Not a good argument

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I mean I guess that's a measure of success but.. haha

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Same thing could have been said about lead based paints back in the 50s

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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has it actually moved from web-only? Electron etc are just packed web browser, no?

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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JS is used a lot because every web developer needs to know it quite well. So rather than learning a second language, you can just use JS

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very practical

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Node @pine vector

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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And sloppy

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Node is decidedly not web

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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knowing python and js both is cool

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:p

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I actually worked for a company called Lattice that was using it to coordinate like, a smart home heating system, using zigbee

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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has it actually moved from web-only? Electron etc are just packed web browser, no?
@pine vector
Electron doesn't run on the www, so id say that is growth

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I'm more for having an arsenal of useful languages

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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the j in js stands for Pain.

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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bruh

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:43 PM

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honestly, JS never felt painful to me

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but I did not write that much JS

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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It needs an actual standard library

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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It's always felt.... unstable

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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That's most of the problem with it

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Unpredictable

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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well, that's compensated by countless frameworks @sand goblet

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I enjoy writing js. Not flawless, but honestly not bad

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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they're basically all std lib for js

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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it is predictable, just the rules it follows are rarely helpful

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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That's not a solution though, that's the problem itself

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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There are so many styles that clash with each other and so many ideas of how it should be coded that you're going to see the same kind of thing implemented in 30 different ways

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Too much fragmentation

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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still better than php @undone berry

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:44 PM

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And that's really troublesome to me

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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is-odd anyone?

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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isn't there ES to take care of that?

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Sure, assuming people actually use it

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It's not enforced by default

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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if you're using a lint, it is

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:p

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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I do like having many ways to do one thing ala perl, but in JS it never really worked for me

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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It helps, but it isn't everything

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Again, only if you tell it to

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:45 PM

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ok. i concede all JS-moved-past-web-only points. TIL. 😄

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:46 PM

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The interesting thing about node really is its ubiquity though

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:46 PM

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It moved past them like a monster breaking through a wall

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Even if it isn't actually in your stack, you have to use it for a lot of web projects

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:46 PM

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It feels like the building is going to collapse on top of it at any moment, but for some reason no one is running out of the building

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Like using webpack for example

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Practically impossible to avoid ts/js

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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or if you want a good frontend that won't make your project laughable

pine vector Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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i actually haven't dug into Node. its made it as far as microcontrollers. i suspect its a VM. so maybe JAVA...script?

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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I know, and I hate the lack of choice, but I know it's unavoidable

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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It's actually just V8 but without the browser

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Even Elm is still JS

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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WASM is hopefully going to become an option

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

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To a point

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Wasm is still JS though

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:48 PM

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It still won't be able to control the DOM

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:48 PM

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It's just a binary representation of ASM.js

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:48 PM

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So you're still restricted if you want to use the benefits of the browser and web interface itself

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I'm hopeful but realistic. It won't be the game changer everyone is hoping for, but it'll at least open up some new potential

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:49 PM

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i'm quite sad that python web frameworks are so underrated in IT sphere here

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like, there's much more demand for node devs than python web-devs

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that's actually sad

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:49 PM

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It's understandable

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You only need one uniform language between front end and back

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That's the appeal

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:49 PM

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but... python is really enjoyable to write in...

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:(

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JS isn't as pleasing

plucky ridge Jun 1, 2020, 7:49 PM

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No argument here

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:50 PM

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i've had actual fun developing a Django website

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I mean it's really just cost savings

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All your frontend devs can suddenly also do backend

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:50 PM

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or can they?

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lolol

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:50 PM

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It's as bad an idea as it sounds but it's what happened

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:50 PM

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yeah.

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actually, one thing i'm still thinking about is whether react or vue is better

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honestly, vue feels much more traditional for me

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I like Vue

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:53 PM

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it probably depends on a lot of things, but for most things either will be fine

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:54 PM

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one appealing thing about frontend is that basically no math/algorithms are required

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so... yay!

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:54 PM

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but then... What is left?

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:55 PM

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problem-solving?

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:55 PM

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and honestly, layout math is hell I refuse to learn about

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what do you think math/algorithms do? Solve problems

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:56 PM

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okay, well, algorithms are still here but they're not anywhere as complex and standard ones

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:56 PM

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I mean, a lot of backend work also does not involve algorithms. A lot of programming is just writing code you already know exactly how to write

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:58 PM

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hey, just let me be happy at least about one thing in frontend

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because i'm totally bad at math

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I've done more maths with frontend work than backend

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altho

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:58 PM

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anything above school algebra is beyond me

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 7:58 PM

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if you are having fun, that is what matters

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but yeah, every attempt at a GUI I ever made descended into a horrible mess of guessing offsets

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 7:59 PM

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... isn't that how you work with GUI's exactly?

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Just thinking about Arcade and I'm having nightmares

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dividing the screen into 13ths

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Grids are surprisingly hard

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 8:00 PM

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i mean, flexbox?

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🤔

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 8:00 PM

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With Arcade?

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 8:00 PM

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oh

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arcade

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arcade exists

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why would you ever want to use arcade tho if Godot and Unity exist

sand goblet Jun 1, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Because Python

twilit marlin Jun 1, 2020, 8:03 PM

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yeah, but out of all popular languages, i'd say that python fits least for the games

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except JS

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JS fits even less than Python

high verge Jun 1, 2020, 8:18 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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isn't 0,0 being top left like

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much more of a standard

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 8:19 PM

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only in the programming world because old terminals

rough sapphire Jun 1, 2020, 8:19 PM

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i love firefox developer edition

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 8:19 PM

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the rest of the scientific community use this

📎 img11_66.png

high verge Jun 1, 2020, 8:20 PM

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yeah it's standard for maths

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but i mean

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idk why it would be a feature you'd advertise

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just a difference

stark prawn Jun 1, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I've seen 0,0 as top left in mutliple graphical libraries.

mental bison Jun 1, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Rate my code https://pastebin.com/pUXPZuyX

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 8:26 PM

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0,0 and positive axis extending to the right and up is the standard for what you learn in school. Pygame has 0,0 being the top left, arcade has 0,0 being the bottom left, there's definitely a mix

graceful basin Jun 1, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I have also seen 0,0 in the middle

undone berry Jun 1, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I haven't seen that with graphical libraries

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normally you only operate in the positive or negative direction

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not both

grave phoenix Jun 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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OpenGL has 0,0 at the center

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It's a 2 by 2 square

zinc cave Jun 1, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Amazon is being really weird. They said they shipped my order finally, but they still haven't charged me. lol

Glitch in the system or something. Maybe I'll get lucky and they wont notice, then I'll have free stuff.

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 12:14 AM

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huh, this channel is quiet

bleak lintel Jun 2, 2020, 12:14 AM

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yeah lol

terse sluice Jun 2, 2020, 12:15 AM

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yup

sand goblet Jun 2, 2020, 12:15 AM

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📎 92eedf4.jpg

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Gotta try to have some levity or we all go crazy

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 12:35 AM

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My pseudonym got compromised so that's a yikes

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 12:35 AM

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like, someone else is using it?

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 12:36 AM

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I may get doxxed if I'm not careful

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 12:37 AM

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📎 20200602_023643.jpg

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cool

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Ty

soft violet Jun 2, 2020, 12:38 AM

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I've a friend who has that kind of thing in his house.

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Assuming he still lives at home.

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Several of them.

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Cool

royal laurel Jun 2, 2020, 12:47 AM

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It's a skin

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Still real!

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I may get doxxed if I'm not careful
Even though only my personal email address is exposed in my GitHub account, I still kinda fear that people might fuck over my more personal accounts

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At least I'm not a dumdum and I have those secured pretty fair

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 12:53 AM

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@topaz aurora unless you got someone mad/crazy after you, I don't think it would be an issue to have your 'real' email publicly wherever. I plaster my main one everywhere, but use obnoxiously long password everywhere, 2FA when I can, etc

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Well having my name on the email certainly is not a very bright idea pithink

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 1:02 AM

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if it makes you feel any better, my email has been my first + last name for like the last 8 years lol

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no issues at all

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i wish this server had like a shitpostin channel so i could upload memes without disruptin the deep convos

bleak lintel Jun 2, 2020, 1:17 AM

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nah

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Man I hate that I'm forced to use Facebook

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The fact that the messenger service was made free of charge in terms of mobile data here is kinda ehhh

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 1:25 AM

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wack

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 2:22 AM

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the main thing is that when you have two things you dont want associatedl, you keep them not assoicated. With a little effort, anyone could stalk you hard and long enough to find more things than youd like tbh. No one can entirely stop that ifd someone is skilled at gathering intelligence and really wants it.

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But like... if you are using your real name or your same fake name youve been using since 1995, it doesnt matter what the name is. Your bad fan fiction erotica writing and your professional career are all slashed together and anyone can accidentl;y connect them. Thats the more real danger imo

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So instead of not using names, use so many of them. As many as you can.

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or need to

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 2:37 AM

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It's a good thing my name is jank enough irl to not yield any useful results, and the fact that Facebook allows you to have your profile not indexed by a search engine is good enough for me

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Still though, I have to do some spring cleaning

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Speaking of names, I know someone called John Smith. Talk about making a search for them complicated. 😄

solid elbow Jun 2, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I've got a friend with last name O'Donnell who hates how many websites can't handle his last name due to buggy SQL injection prevention XD

tardy wind Jun 2, 2020, 3:58 AM

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The amount of people that don’t know about paramaterized queries

soft violet Jun 2, 2020, 4:03 AM

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They can't handle apostrophes? Ungh.

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How do they manage to figure out how to get out of bed the right way up, let alone program a website?

dusty crow Jun 2, 2020, 6:15 AM

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I like cheese

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 6:39 AM

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What kind of cheese, though?

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Provolone is 😙👌

tame pier Jun 2, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Havarti is also BrillianceOK_hand

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Speaking of Pavarti, did they do any DLC for Outer Worlds yet?

tame pier Jun 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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What's that

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Worlds

Outer Worlds

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Can't remember the last time I properly played a game

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Ironically enough, I can play this one JRPG and I'll still be able to find all 72 secret stat boost djinn things by heart

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Golden Sun?

topaz aurora Jun 2, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Yeee

rough sapphire Jun 2, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Blackbeard was pretty great in the first one

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I played 1 and 2. Thought the boat in 2 was great, except Poseiden rekt me.

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No idea how many times I died to 'em