writing code is fun - dealing with gradle is about as far from fun as it gets
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
undone berry
plucky ridge
"Truly, I am the Trumpet Skeleton Master!"
graceful basin
they may actually already exist
I think they are just there when you import a 115 project
which begs the question of why do you not have them
undone berry
to add them manually, click the dropdown next to the play button, and click edit configuration
Then click the +
graceful basin
my general solution to these kinds issues is refresh gradle, restart the IDE, redo the project setup, go whine on the official forge server, in that order
undone berry
I've had gradle issues where restarting the IDE didn't restart gradle
royal laurel
been there done that with another error, their server is the most unhelpful
undone berry
because the way the IDE talks to gradle is weird
royal laurel
i'd be asking all this there but i know i won't get an answer
graceful basin
oh, try MMC or MMD then. Those guys are most helpful
royal laurel
i have the fear i might have done something wrong from scratch
rough sapphire
you've just described my life
royal laurel
is born yep, i fucked up
plucky ridge
This was always going to be an uphill battle since you don't have access to the original source
plucky ridge
Right but I thought you said you were doing this from a .jar rather than the code
Gotcha
royal laurel
I was until I decided to read just a lil bit more, and I found the rep
plucky ridge
Ah okay
undone berry
last time I had significant* gradle problems I went on a meltdown at 5am and questioned my life as a whole
plucky ridge
I kind of figured you'd been at that for a while and may have forgotten to eat
plucky ridge
Always a good time to sandwich
royal laurel
DOES FORGE
DOWNLOAD GRADLE
EVERY. TIME. i hate this
it's downloading THE SAME VERSION i have
angy
plucky ridge
Noticed
royal laurel
imma go get sandwish im angy
graceful basin
I will have to learn gradle for my next project of make mods in kawa. Or it may just work out of the box
plucky ridge
kawa?
royal laurel
it never does
graceful basin
kawa is a scheme implementation with java interop
like clojure, but more gnu and more lispy
and it can compile to java bytecode
plucky ridge
Neat
graceful basin
and I kind of feel like LISPy metaprogramming is a perfect for the already hacky world of annotation magic and bytecode transformations of MC moddding
royal laurel
hey lak, how should i open the source code? do i open it like an individual project, or do i drag it inside forge mdk
because i feel both are wrong
graceful basin
if you are porting, just put the stuff in src/main of the mod into your workspace
graceful basin
ye, though I would suggest merging instead so that you get to keep the mods.toml
royal laurel
i have a copy of it i grabbed from git
plucky ridge
Living the high life
Eating Spaghettio's straight from the can
Realized I hadn't eaten since like 4 this morning and and I'm trying to hold off a migraine caused by the storm front we're going to get
Not the worst resolution to a week I've had
sand goblet
Truly, an example for us all to aspire to
undone berry
were the spaghettios heated in any way?
warm spaghettios from a can = eccentric
cold spaghettios from a can = crazed madman in an apocalypse movie
wraith oriole
not if you sort them by size first then eat them
plucky ridge
The latter
undone berry
hmm - I must say it's not a good sign for the universe. I think possibly you have subconsious future site
plucky ridge
But in fairness, the latter can go to either the crazed or to the depressed
wraith oriole
shaghetti-ohs!
pine vector
spaghettios != spaghetti. 😄
plucky ridge
Nah, just depression and not wanting to bother heating it
plucky ridge
True
undone berry
is there any difference between spaghettios and spaghetti in a can
undone berry
I think i've had both
pine vector
cause cheap, 10/15 year shelf-life?
wraith oriole
plucky ridge
Doesn't need water or to be cooked
royal laurel
still awful, and i live on a 3rd world country
pine vector
ohhh. and....lazy. 😄
undone berry
canned spaghetti doesn't need to be cooked
plucky ridge
Yep
wraith oriole
beans in a tin = livin the easy life
wraith oriole
win!
plucky ridge
Okay maybe I already am a hobo then
undone berry
Beans are great tbf
pine vector
ngl, beenie weenies are one of my favorite food groups. cold-in-can, or warmed up... 😋
undone berry
I'd go for some beans right now except for I can't microwave the can
wraith oriole
yes, beans from a can that you had to open with a knife and eat under a tree or bridge = full on hobo
not judging
plucky ridge
I love beanie weenies
wraith oriole
ketchup makes everything civilized
undone berry
From the one google search - it looks both great and terrible for you
wraith oriole
or tomato-sauce
plucky ridge
True
rough sapphire
import time
class Countdown:
def __init__(self, ctime):
self.ctime = ctime
def cdown(self):
while self.ctime > 0:
print(self.ctime)
time.sleep(1)
self.ctime -= 1
Countdown.cdown(5)
what am i doing wrong?
wraith oriole
interrupting our hobo chat with real work?
undone berry
@rough sapphire probably better to ask in a help channel. See #❓｜how-to-get-help
wraith oriole
lol
pine vector
haha. def not "healthy". but, they'll sustain life for quite some time in the post-apocalypse.
plucky ridge
And will make your coat soft and shiny
undone berry
yeah, normal dried beans are pretty much the healthiest food going
wraith oriole
yes! @plucky ridge knows whats up!
undone berry
apparently cat food is a good cheaper substitute for tuna in tuna salad
wraith oriole
I used to work with an older very eccentric engineer who ONLY ate red beans and rice. He was rail thin, donated most of his salaray and only worked and ate his beans and rice
plucky ridge
Isn't tuna already stupid cheap?
wraith oriole
kippers have entered the chat
plucky ridge
I mean you just described something much worse
Cat food salad I think tops the list
I've eaten Pupperoni before
undone berry
I dunno - over here we have Fray Bentos pies in a can, and they smell exactly like cat food, to the point where I open a can of wet cat food and get hungry
pine vector
red beans (Creole-style) is hard to beat...
wraith oriole
there some crazy canned fermented finnish fish abomination that looks inhuman. Youre supposed to open it in a bucket of water to contain the spray and smell
plucky ridge
Sustramin or something like that
wraith oriole
i physically gagged watching ppl on youtube open cans of it
undone berry
I gotta say - anything meat based with enough salt is probably edible
pine vector
i do not recommend Milkbon dog treats. ran that experiment as kid.
plucky ridge
@pine vector I'm so glad you sad "as" a kid and not "on" a kid
undone berry
"Here timmy, eat this and I'll get you some candy"
pine vector
haha. i'm not a great parent, but i don't think i'd ever get that bad.
wraith oriole
Surströmming
pine vector
lol. "run and tell your mom. idc."
plucky ridge
"She knew it would come to this."
plucky ridge
?
wraith oriole
yes
pine vector
Surströmming is a lightly-salted fermented Baltic Sea herring traditional to Swedish cuisine since at least the 16th century.
lol
wraith oriole
1.2 million views. I assume that will have paid for a detail
plucky ridge
lightly-salted
Well at least it's low in sodium
wraith oriole
friend of mine had a glass bottle of milk break in the back seat of his car. took a week and 1500 $ professional detail to get the smell out
put your milk in a bag kids!
pine vector
ugh. YT rabbit hole commencing...
wraith oriole
enjoy
plucky ridge
Deep down you know it's never fully out
wraith oriole
those nordic cultures sure do like their fermented fish
maybe its the fins that bury shark in the sand for weeks then eat it
plucky ridge
That sounds familiar
plucky ridge
I think I'm going to bug out from work early. The headache isn't leaving and I just am not making any headway on this database.
wraith oriole
guess i will appreciate kombucha a little more the next time i have some
plucky ridge
I still can't get myself to try it
wraith oriole
oh, its good
rough sapphire
y'all just cowards
plucky ridge
Well I'm allergic to Penicillin
wraith oriole
@rough sapphire for the fish?
rough sapphire
yes
plucky ridge
My fear is that there's another mold I'm allergic to that I don't know about
royal laurel
I have allergic reactions to ONLY canned tuna
wraith oriole
@rough sapphire no way. Unless you had some strong potato vodka to wash it down
royal laurel
Not tuna, canned one
plucky ridge
You sure it's not an allergy to cans?
royal laurel
I've eaten cans many times
plucky ridge
aki is a goat confirmed
wraith oriole
are you a goat?
rough sapphire
what's this goat reference
plucky ridge
Goats eat cans
wraith oriole
eating cans
royal laurel
HAHAHA yes I am in fact a goat, my cover has been blown
wraith oriole
and theyre good at yoga
rough sapphire
... that's really odd
royal laurel
But yeah it's not cans
plucky ridge
Strange
royal laurel
I have a lot of things from cans and it's just tuna
wraith oriole
plucky ridge
Wonder if it's the brining solution they use then
wraith oriole
ppl pay to do yoga with goats
royal laurel
Yogoat!
wraith oriole
do or do not, there is no downward dog
plucky ridge
And on that note, I'm heading home to my wife and cat
royal laurel
I assume is the conserve oil in the tuna
rough sapphire
why did you marry your cat
wraith oriole
hope youre headache fades as wuickly as the memory of fermented fish
plucky ridge
You would have too if you knew him
wraith oriole
quickly*
royal laurel
oh, to head home to your spouse
wraith oriole
cat yoga should be a think
royal laurel
I am lonely and men don't like me back
wraith oriole
cat would sit in the corner and judge you harshly
rough sapphire
what's wrong with your back?
plucky ridge
@royal laurel So chin up. Just remember to never settle
Only do it when things feel properly right
rough sapphire
back up.
plucky ridge
yogota
wraith oriole
goaga
rough sapphire
that's that car manufacturer
plucky ridge
Well played
royal laurel
I don't wanna settle of course, I consider having some nice standards, but I always feel unliked
plucky ridge
It'll work out. Just have faith in yourself
wraith oriole
dating in a pandemic is gonna be difficult
wraith oriole
better to just stay home and code
royal laurel
I've always had long distance relationships because I'm not American
wraith oriole
are you an amazon? No fellas around? Super Strenght and Intellect?
undone berry
What does being American have to do with it?
rough sapphire
long distance relationships kinda suck dog
royal laurel
I don't have any communication with local people
royal laurel
And all my friend circles are rooted in English speaking people
undone berry
What? Why? Do you live in Siberia?
wraith oriole
well, sunlight
food,
water,
sheter.
rough sapphire
I literally have no friends yet still managed to get an SO. you'll be fine, when the time comes.
royal laurel
I live on the southest country on earth
wraith oriole
Antartica
rough sapphire
ah, Antarctica
wraith oriole
easy to get the cold shoulder there
royal laurel
Well not that one, the one that's not an ice cap
wraith oriole
southern chile
royal laurel
Next door
rough sapphire
gonna go with the moon
royal laurel
Feels like it
undone berry
Japan?
rough sapphire
iceland
wraith oriole
has to be argentian or chile
royal laurel
I'm Argentinian
rough sapphire
new zealand
wraith oriole
are you south argentina or in big city
undone berry
And communism
@royal laurel?
wraith oriole
maybe you need a more metropolitan city
royal laurel
It's a communist country char
undone berry
in no way
royal laurel
I live on the country side of the biggest province
undone berry
is it a communist country
undone berry
yeah
royal laurel
That what I'm living
royal laurel
I assume you're American
undone berry
unless you're sayin NZ has swindled the world
and isn't what it seems
where I'm from is entirely irrelevant
wraith oriole
Argentina is a federal constitutional republic and representative democracy
royal laurel
It is because usually Americans are the ones entitled enough to tell me it's not communism
undone berry
it's not about entitlement
royal laurel
When our government openly talks about being one and being proud of the fact
And well, the decisions that align with communism
Which is basically being communist
rough sapphire
they're not american
royal laurel
But hey! You tried I guess
undone berry
Communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a philosophical, social, political, economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state
100% NZ does not fit that definition
wraith oriole
Argentina's democracy endured through the 2001–02 crisis and to the present day; it is regarded as more robust than both its pre-1983 predecessors and other democracies in Latin America.[143]
rough sapphire
NZ?
royal laurel
I'm not from new Zealand??????
rough sapphire
oh no...
wraith oriole
why you keep saying NZ
royal laurel
What on earth are you talking about
wraith oriole
lol Argentian @undone berry
rough sapphire
🔔
plucky ridge
Thanks for the ping Charlie
royal laurel
God NO
bleak lintel
rough sapphire
thanks for that, joe
royal laurel
I got used to saying weetad
wraith oriole
buenos aries seems faily cosmopolitan
royal laurel
It is
rough sapphire
real nice for you to cause me nightmares
bleak lintel
no problem xx, I've got a collection
royal laurel
Nice thing
wraith oriole
can you move?
rough sapphire
to where?
royal laurel
Uhhh well, depends
royal laurel
Another city would be nice but I dream of Vancouver or France
wraith oriole
I would move to a farm and be a Gaucho !!
sand goblet
Rust!
undone berry
I'm fucking dumb
originally that didn't say dumb
wraith oriole
Dont you like the way the water swirls down the drain in the southern hemisphere?
undone berry
it's hard to break the habit of using a word when people around you use the word, and you used the word for a long time
royal laurel
Uh, I don't know any other way
rough sapphire
@wraith oriole i imagine they don't really care
undone berry
it doesn't actually happen
the water goes down the drain either way in either country
royal laurel
I've seen it go different ways on different houses
sand goblet
there's a guy on the kord server that uses it as well
undone berry
either hemisphere
sand goblet
gon' have to beat that out of 'em
royal laurel
It's not that big of a deal tbh
wraith oriole
on top of everything going on in the world you pick today to bust my coroloris force bubble.
bruh. now I has a sad
royal laurel
Lmaooo
Well, I wanna say, the mod has been imported, and I'm happy to say there's not as many errors as I thought
wraith oriole
instead of vancouver you should consider the south island of New Zealand
New Zealand is the best place on earth
royal laurel
I like big cities
undone berry
Emigration to NZ doesn't seem all that easy
royal laurel
I also like cold a lot
rough sapphire
@undone berry it's easy if a wizard shows up at your door
undone berry
Practically nowhere seems easy to migrate to unless you were lucky enough to be born in the EU or maybe in NA
royal laurel
I have the French citizenship pending
wraith oriole
NZ = first choice
Canada, Ireland, Sweeden, Denmark = second choices
royal laurel
Damn u corona
wraith oriole
very nice . I think france is beautiful too
undone berry
French Citizenship opens up the whole of the EU which is pretty great - especially if you do good language speakage
royal laurel
I wanna do art restoration
wraith oriole
except those nordic languages seem like a bear to learn
royal laurel
So it'd be great
wraith oriole
Brussels
undone berry
Brusels is apparently a miserable city
wraith oriole
come for the art history, stay for the waffles
undone berry
no wait
wraith oriole
again charile.
royal laurel
Charlie are you okay
wraith oriole
is luxembourg the tiny country?
undone berry
Brussels does seem great - the food especially, I don't really know exactly what, but I think there's some kind of good chips
wraith oriole
why is that so bad
undone berry
Apparently they're just super against fun
wraith oriole
swisserland seems nice
rough sapphire
estonia is great
sand goblet
I knew a guy that lived in luxembourg
wraith oriole
I only get to travel via google earth.
sand goblet
he was an asshole
undone berry
I have a Swiss friend, and he says it's very nice if you're a native, but they can be standoffish to non swisslanders
wraith oriole
Yes Estonia looks very promising too. Estonia very open to crypto as well. +1 for estonia @rough sapphire
rough sapphire
:>
undone berry
Does Estonia get included in Scandinavia?
wraith oriole
I think of it more slavic than nordic
undone berry
no, it doesn't. Even Finland isn't included always according to Wikipedia
wraith oriole
all of those former soviet union states
rough sapphire
it's definitely far more nordic than slavic
wraith oriole
what a history
wow
just across the gulf from helsinki
st peteresburg to the NE and helsinki to the N
Ill put estonia on the google earth to visit list
royal laurel
upgrading mod from .12 to .15.2
import net.minecraftforge.fml.common.eventhandler.SubscribeEvent;
import net.minecraftforge.fml.relauncher.Side;
import net.minecraftforge.fml.relauncher.SideOnly;```
are all grayed out
any tips?
(intelliJ/ 15.2-31.2.5 mdk/ gradle 4.9 and 4.10.3)maybe the big brains here know
wraith oriole
Estonian citizens receive universal health care,[18] free education,[19] and the longest paid maternity leave in the OECD.[20] One of the world's most digitally-advanced societies,[21] in 2005 Estonia became the first state to hold elections over the Internet, and in 2014, the first state to provide e-residency.
i should learn estonian
undone berry
the first two aren't particularly special for Europe
wraith oriole
yea.
soft violet
Online elections? Ehhh... I mean, it's a wonderful idea in theory. Dangerous for superpowers.
Even the electronic machines are concerning.
royal laurel
hey @sand goblet i have a big doubt
sand goblet
Sup
royal laurel
the clientproxy class has an @ sideonly
how do i update that
because i remember that being completely dead
graceful basin
DistExecutor, but you no longer need proxies afaik
Look.at the mcjty 115 tutorial for proxies
royal laurel
can i safely delete clientproxy without the whole mod collapsing?
graceful basin
There may be some registration code there
royal laurel
okay, then can i delete @hasty dusteonly safely
royal laurel
lmao sorry to bother you animal crossing avatar sir
hasty dust
no worries lol
royal laurel
wouldn't it be easier to take all the package and import lines to package-info.java??
do i even NEED the server file on the source?
why does this exist
it's a goddamn skeleton with a trumpet
rough sapphire
I play trumpet
royal laurel
do you need a clientproxy to do so
sand goblet
This kind of thing is why people are rewriting mods
Straight up porting isn't always the best way to convert a concept to a new version, especially when the underlying tech has changed so massively
royal laurel
i'd need somebody to help me if i actually decided to do it from scratch
well, you're both doing a lot so maybe i could try
sand goblet
I'm about to sleep but I'm sure you'll be fine
autumn plaza
Running windows xp on my phone so i can run samsung 8 on windows xp. Also so i can run my pytho n exe file lol
balmy folio
I can only imagine the security risks lol
zinc cave
Wait, is that a layer within a layer? Or is that a mistyping? Why would you need to run ‘Samsung 8’ on Windows XP which is running on your phone?
tame pier
rough sapphire
daily reminder to delete your google activity history
should i delete gmail shit too?
shell cave
daily reminder to never open a browser unless its private
gentle moss
oh how nice, they've given you a one button delete now.
gentle moss
sure beats how i've had to do it before / on other platforms.
rough sapphire
wait, have they?
gentle moss
delete by activity -> delete all
gentle moss
for facebook i wrote a clicker script to fire off the 3 button sequence to select items one by one
took like 3 minutes to run through
shell cave
its only deleting by day
ofr me
wait its all gone now
i need to write a python script for this
to run it daily
gentle moss
huh, my work account had ad personalisation switched on. o_O
youtube also has a "delete after 3 months" privacy setting
gentle moss
but you can also pause youtube's history.
sand goblet
YT play history is useful so I leave it turned on
rough sapphire
I always forget that YouTube even has ads.
sand goblet
AdGuard ftw
rough sapphire
Oh, thought you were gonna bring up using Pi-Hole to block YouTube ads
I was gonna say except that won't work
gentle moss
should be workable, shouldn't it?
gentle moss
grrrr
rough sapphire
Pi-Hole 5.0 is great though
gentle moss
man, i had one big coffee today and now i'm laying pipe like keystone
sand goblet
You do need an extension or something for the banner ads yeah
gentle moss
urg, no direct patching path for docker on this server :|
have to uninstall and re-install it
ouch, build 17.12
i should really set up an automated maintenance script that triggers when a website fails
sighs
soft violet
Youtube: Hey, here's how you can delete your history. Also Youtube: We're still keeping track of what you're watching and looking at elsewhere on the internet...here's suggestions based on that...even though you've got such suggestions turned off...
and privacy settings all turned on
It's blatantly obvious that the options to delete watch histories and to not track stuff are being ignored and they're only there to make people feel better.
soft violet
I commented on New Zealand on imgur about how New Zealand was pretty damn good
Next I know I'm getting New Zealand ads on YouTube.
soft violet
I've suggestions turned off on YouTube.
It shouldn't be happening. I'm being targeted and tracked and I don't like it.
gentle moss
you do not need an account for them to track you
rough sapphire
new zealand ads?
soft violet
Yeah. Clothing.
gentle moss
tbh across all devices on my network even if i've deleted all youtube histories and the likes from accounts
soft violet
I do.
gentle moss
all the requests for stuff come from one house
they can have a pretty good guess it's me.
only 2 people live here.
soft violet
It's like clothing with New Zealand-related motifs on it.
soft violet
Even from chats in here. I'm still getting grilled ham and cheese sandwich ads.
gentle moss
that's just paranoia
i find it people are paranoid like "THEY'RE LISTENING TO ALL MUH DATAS ALL THE TIME"
gentle moss
when the scarier thing is
you're a basic bitch and super easy to predict.
:3
the fact these ML systems can take in a bunch of disparate datasets and so figure out what you want
that is scarier than listening to people's phones or w/e
soft violet
Sure.
soft violet
Plausible.
gentle moss
discord has a privacy statement on this
they don't sell to 3rd parties
it's for metrics
soft violet
Surprising, given I use Linux, but...yeah. I know that doesn't make me immune.
It's just that you'd imagine people writing these things would focus more on Windows systems.
gentle moss
facebook pixel
gentle moss
tracking pixels are everywhere
gentle moss
don't even have to be logged in on facebook during the session
they'll just log that x IP viewed x site
soft violet
Yeah. I know.
But it's not like I went about searching for the sandwiches prior.
It was only after in here. Then it was ads ads ads about them.
So okay.
Fine. Maybe I'm paranoid.
gentle moss
yup it's that
sand goblet
reply all did an episode about that kind of thing
gentle moss
then again people called me paranoid over GCHQ / NSA slurping up all the data
and i was right
gentle moss
it's more to do with how much data you put out
soft violet
When really they've been around all the time before.
gentle moss
you put out SO MUCH data you may not realise it's being harvested and thrown together into some ML box
imagine how many misses it gets
soft violet
and now you're only noticing them because of the conversation, not them being there because of the conversation
gentle moss
facebook still keeps trying to sell me mankini's
undone berry
Honestly, the most worrying thing is just how bad the AI is
amazing amounts of money goes into ad targeting
and it's still terrible
soft violet
Well, someone's under the impression I'm a muslim lesbian, so...yeah. Some misses.
gentle moss
a study was done i think charlie
undone berry
That just highlights how probably shit AI is in other places
hardy forge
can someone help me out with a python code please?
gentle moss
it showed that facebook ads were worth like 60% less than sold for
undone berry
It's good for image recognition/self-driving-cars, where there's a clear right/wrong, but for anything slightly subjective - AI is terrible
gentle moss
we have some help channels @hardy forge
read carefully, and it can take time for people to reply. remember the helpers are all community members doing this in their free time. :)
hardy forge
oh ok thanks @gentle moss
gentle moss
idk charlie, maybe i'd look good in the bright pink lace french knickers with "bulge accommodation"
undone berry
Of course - but I assume you already own a pair just like everybody else
gentle moss
only the sunday best in mauve
it's like 10 to 11 and i'm already trying to figure out how to spin "sorry, i'm turning all your websites off to do work" into something that sounds good.
really need to frontload static assets with nginx
"we put 4000 high resolution pictures on our wordpress page and now it loads slow"
undone berry
You're a pretty AWSy company (iirc), is there a reason you don't use s3 buckets for that stuff? Or does the sheer amount of the images just make that unfeasible?
or is there just 0 advantage to using s3 buckets for that from your company's POV?
gentle moss
the response time from an s3 bucket would be below that of having it attached on an additional volume
as in, slower
would also require some wiggle with mounting the s3 buckets as filesystems on the server
then voluming mapping them to the docker containers
each site exists inside a container, which host storage accessible to it
so the data isn't stored in the containers.
undone berry
I only ask because I'm currently half assedly trying to figure out the right way to server static files for use with Django/Flask. Right now I have a site in production in a terrible state that I need to fix tonight or tommorow
gentle moss
has had the perk of making it easy to revert to a version of the site that got "hacked", pre-hack
undone berry
Right now I have a django site live for a business where if the Docker containter dies, they lose like 200 images/docs they've uploaded
gentle moss
big server -> nginx reverse proxy -> main containers each containing the software to run their website
undone berry
and I'll have to get on the phone with some crusty old bastard and grovel
gentle moss
website data stored in a different partition that's then volume linked on container run
standardised container image
apache / php configs are imported in at run
undone berry
That's for wp right? But the same idea holds true across all options?'
gentle moss
wordpress, silverstripe, magento, we've got some of my flask running
yeah.
it's a bit resource heavy but has its advantages
undone berry
alright good - that sounds like pretty much what I was planning to do
except I'm gonna use s3 buckets for static rather than volumes I think
gentle moss
we've got 3-4 containers on php5.3 because the site doesn't support above
we've got some on 5.5
and most on 7.0
undone berry
and i'm on a tiny scale, like only 2/3 containers
gentle moss
doing that in a normal web hosting structure is a bitch
but our profit margins are pretty small, so i'm trying to squeeze as much out of this as possible
so i'm in the process of building/testing a "pure" webserver
and all the SE linux / cgroups that comes with
undone berry
Can I ask what you charge for that sort of hosting?
gentle moss
it varies between customers and demand
i think our most expensive pays £55 a month for domain management, email management and hosting.
beyond initial setup we don't touch the site when it's hosted
just send out "hey, we spotted this, might want to patch that"
also another reason i don't want to leave the docker environment
breaking into wordpress is easy in places and then getting system or even access to other users can be possible with shit configurations
you chuck it all in a box and say "off you go"
there's very little harm can be caused.
the weird issue i'm running into atm is that when people are updating their wordpress / silverstripe blogs (after leaving it open and idle for a while), fucking disk IO on /dev/sda1 goes mental
full disk load
whole thing falls over.
if they write the blog post and post it instantly, no problems
what happens when you turn fail2ban off on something hosting wordpress.
soft violet
Why ew?
gentle moss
business adopting phrases like "end of play" like it's a game makes me uncomfortable.
soft violet
Aha.
gentle moss
yeah
tulip palm
(i'm not sane so i have mine way down low)
gentle moss
i was down there for a small nap
because i'm such a devoted worker.
i had f2b switched off for bit as i was testing stuff
christ they try hard.
tulip palm
haha
at least it's not f2g that was switched off
oh wait..
actually no i managed to get some f2g a couple weeks ago
tulip palm
huh? might want to raise that in #community-meta, the server could be hitting the presence limit again (though that seems unlikely).
i don't seem to be having any issues though
oh wait
you mean an actual server
😎
i've had issues where a server would just reboot out of nowhere but i'm pretty sure that was just dodgy power delivery from a potentially faulty power supply
gentle moss
i have a shit theory
and we'll see
nah
i've been watching live stats as it fails
nothing seems off
tulip palm
right fair
gentle moss
then just, nuffink
nothing on that server should be getting close to using 16gb of RAM and 4 cores
but what do we have here....
firsty boy
tulip palm
heck that's a lotta reading
gentle moss
80MegaByte a second is a lot of read
tulip palm
yeah, for a webserver at least
gentle moss
now i'm going to have to write io limits for everyone
:(
i think docker has some nifty built in handling for that shit
tulip palm
sounds about right, yeah
undone berry
Nope. And all the reddit posts Google gives about it are on a private sub
coarse hearth
Oh shit... biggest Pokemon bot is now down
rough sapphire
quick rundown? @royal laurel
rough sapphire
why so? C&D from big N?
royal laurel
Nope, it got too demanding and they chose to not work on it anymore
Let me get you the message from big man
rough sapphire
:/
oh well, can't say i blame them
i know what it's like trying to maintain a project you no longer have any passion for whatsoever
royal laurel
Rip my Eevee collection
And my 4 pages of mareeps
It's sad but I respect the decision a lot
In any case
If gdude or lek are here
I essentially chose to clone the assets, all the jsons
And rewrite from scratch the classes
tardy wind
Why can’t they open source it?
royal laurel
Nin of the tendo
undone berry
Is it just that Github/Gitlab/other won't host stuff that breaks copyright laws?
solid pollen
I don't think they bother with this
They probably got a Patent Promise stating that they can't open source this
coarse hearth
And PokeCord was verified server + bot
undone berry
Hm- someone in another server said they just don't want to open source it
coarse hearth
Stupid.
tardy wind
Ya i don’t think github won’t host it
undone berry
no
royal laurel
In any case it's friggin dead
undone berry
the dev confirmed no legal issues
coarse hearth
Yes they can. Otherwise Discord shouldn't given verification to them
solid pollen
They just don't want a crappy tons of clones apparently
undone berry
Yeah, I get not wanting to maintain it himself - but when you can literally flip a switch and let ~1 million people still enjoy the thing, it does seem a bit lame not to
coarse hearth
Maybe this is late april fool 🤣
royal laurel
I'm sure somebody that uses it would be happy to maintain it themselves
undone berry
Without a doubt they would. There's 1.3million users, given that it's on Discord, a solid chunk of them are gonna be FOSS people
rough sapphire
re: legal issues
royal laurel
It kinda feels a "if i can't have it nobody can" situation
tardy wind
There’s tons is ways around legal stuff
coarse hearth
They can host it there. Otherwise Discord shouldn't given verification to them
tardy wind
Esp since it’s not a commercial endeavor
undone berry
The guy said no issues with Nintendo - so I really don't think it was a legal problem
rough sapphire
when I got a C&D, it specifically stated I shouldn't talk about it publicly and just with my lawyers
so it wouldn't be surprising if he wasn't speaking the truth
tardy wind
That’s bs legal talk
rough sapphire
i know
tardy wind
A cease and desist is not a gag order
tardy wind
Was he making money off this bot?
If he wasn’t then it’s possibly covered under fair use
undone berry
definitely not covered under fair use
even if he wasn't making money
that's not at all how fair use works
tardy wind
Could be argued it’s parody
undone berry
commentary, criticism, and parody are the three fair use clauses
you could, and whilst IANAL, it seems blatantly obvious that it isn't a parody
undone berry
People have won cases on less
Like where?
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/
A parody is a work that ridicules another, usually well-known work, by imitating it in a comic way. Judges understand that, by its nature, parody demands some taking from the original work being parodied. Unlike other forms of fair use, a fairly extensive use of the original work is permitted in a parody in order to “conjure up” the original.
I'm willing to be wrong - but Copyright generally tends towards the holder's favour
which IMO is shitty, but it is the way it is
coarse hearth
All Pokemon bots follow Fair Use. That's why all buying is named donations. This is only way how they can legally earn from bots
And these rewards is just like thanks
undone berry
can you explain how?
they use the art and the IP of pokemon
I don't see how that falls under fair use?
do you have any source?
undone berry
I mean
that's just them saying
it's fair to use
from what I can see
From what it sounds like reading the guy's comments in his Discord, he just spoke to someone at Nintendo who OKd it (to be clear, he didn't explicitly say that, but that's the impression I take away from it)
royal laurel
well there's that
royal laurel
buy smol tv
rough sapphire
like this?
clear plume
Lmao no
royal laurel
perfect
royal laurel
Switching channels, back to home chat
So GlStateManager is dead
And i should use RenserSystem
What's the RenderSystem equivalent to GlStateManager.translate
undone berry
that breaches the youtube TOS and shouldn't be discussed here due to rule 5
rancid forge
oh I didn't know that, I'll get rid of the messages. Sorry!
undone berry
It's fine, it's also not super against rule 5 - just technically breaches the youtube tos I'm pretty sure
royal laurel
I didn't really understand so
But I'm pretty sure artificially maintaining a top comment is against TOS, if that was the thing
rancid forge
reading fine print, my interpretation of the terms seems to be that comments, videos, thumbnails, and other stuff are not to be gotten by people except "(a) as expressly authorized by the Service; or (b) with prior written permission from YouTube and, if applicable, the respective rights holders"
undone berry
access the Service using any automated means (such as robots, botnets or scrapers) except: (a) in the case of public search engines, in accordance with YouTube’s robots.txt file; (b) with YouTube’s prior written permission; or (c) as permitted by applicable law
Is the part that you're breaching (I think)
rancid forge
well I think because I'm accessing content and not the YouTube-provided stuff, I think it falls under the other part but I could be (and probably am) wrong
royal laurel
The only botting they allow text fields is codes for real time updates
Like that "this video has (views number code) views"
rough sapphire
you mean that tom scott video
undone berry
for context, what sschr15 was doing was just retrieving a thumbnail from img.youtube.com/whatever/whatever
graceful basin
there is a YT API, which you can use however I think
as that is properly rate limited and such
rough sapphire
I know Tom is pretty universally loved, but I don't agree with a lot of his opinions that he has a tendency to state as facts
undone berry
Like what?
royal laurel
I don't care for him tbh
rough sapphire
like the majority of what he had to say about online voting
undone berry
Yeah, it's definitely true that he didn't do a good job of reflecting that that was opinion rather than fact
I think he's good for the more casual stuff
sullen thorn
any of you tried/use plex?
lofty dirge
like the media server? Yes
sullen thorn
what is it? haven't managed to understand it - like do i set it up on a server and then essentially i have a netflix like interface for locally stored media?
sand goblet
Plex is fantastic
But yes that's basically what it is
It will index your media and make it accessible on your devices over the internet or local network
You can access it with any browser for free, or using mobile and TV apps and sonos with Plex Pass
Which also gets you a ton of other extra stuff like support for TV tuner cards
sullen thorn
ok awesome 🙂
was originally gonna ping either you or bisk but couldn't remember which of you used it
can i set it up on a linux server that has a domain attached to it? and then will users need authorisation to access it? (i'm gonna be the only user)
sand goblet
They also have a big selection of free content
You can do that yeah, and yes you can require auth
sullen thorn
is it secured by default, or will i need to change some settings?
sand goblet
By default anyone with the address can use it
But obviously this is a piece of software so you'll be going through the settings
Right?
sullen thorn
yes
ok this might be the time to make a new user on my server - should probably stop using root
sand goblet
Yup
sullen thorn
XFS, which specializes in performance for large data files, is also available.
when they say large, what counts as large?
rough sapphire
anything above a terabyte, I'd imagine
sullen thorn
ah ok no need for that then
rough sapphire
xfs is great, though
can't recommend it enough
I use it as a daily driver in all of my machines
sullen thorn
is there any benefit to using it over the default ext4? i'm not doing anything special on this volume, just storing media
rough sapphire
what does "in my feels" mean?
sullen thorn
usually when something makes you feel very emotional
rough sapphire
oh ok
sullen thorn
@sand goblet you said i could access plex without authorisation, how would i do that through the web service?
sand goblet
If you're accessing it remotely then you'll have to sign in
That's an obvious security requirement
frosty berry
hey, i just saw earlier the button to explore public discord servers, is that new-ish? i see you can find this server by searching python into it, but i didn't find how to make our kivy server searchable as well, anyone has info about what to do?
sand goblet
I can explain
Server discovery is new-ish, although it's been around for a long time, it only actually launched recently
is the Kivy server partnered?
@frosty berry
frosty berry
to whom? i think we are partnered to python-discord, but that's all
and as far as i know that's mostly informal
sand goblet
Discord partnered
pine vector
👋 tshirtman! you've been silent for a while... (hope all is well)
frosty berry
ok, no i don't think so
sand goblet
It's basically available to two types of servers
Commerce servers and Discord partnered servers
frosty berry
yeah, sorry, i've been a bit overwhelmed by the activity here ^^
sand goblet
You won't be able to become partnered right now even if you meet the requirements, Discord's partnership program has been closed for applications for over a year now
frosty berry
and got caught up in animal crossing a bit too much 😬
sand goblet
You can get commerce however
pine vector
no apologies necessary! breaks are good
sand goblet
Commerce servers are basically tied to a Discord OAuth app that's got a developer license
frosty berry
ok
sand goblet
it gives you access to server discovery, store channels and news channels
frosty berry
interesting
sand goblet
but none of the other partner perks
Developer licenses are available for a one-off payment of $25 however
so it's not free
frosty berry
ok
sand goblet
currently that's the only way you can get those features
frosty berry
that's not really expensive, so if we feel there is enough benefit of being searchable that could be ok
sand goblet
There are a couple other considerations
for example, you probably want to support lurk mode
lurk mode is part of server discovery - it allows people to see your public channels before they decide to join the server
so any channel visible to @everyone will be lurkable if you have Discovery enabled
frosty berry
ok
sand goblet
of course, they'll have to join proper if they want to participate
secondly, to link a dev license to a server, you need to have the Administrator permission
if you own the server, though, then you'll have that already
frosty berry
we don't really have any access control, contrary to here where people have to formaly accept rules before seeing all the channels, most channels are public, and only a couple core-devs only, for management
sand goblet
Yep, that makes sense and I think most servers meet that
You'll probably want to add an extra internal channel when you go public, just for Discord's public server announcements, which are intended for staff
although I'm not sure if non-partners actually get those
frosty berry
ok
sand goblet
That's about all there is to it
frosty berry
thanks a lot for these info 🙂
sand goblet
You can set up an OAuth app at https://discord.com/developers if you haven't done that before
the developer license signup thing is at the lower left when you're looking at an OAuth app
you don't have to fill out the whole thing, you just need to link a server
when you do that, the license you bought will be associated with that server and the OAuth app
the feature itself is actually designed for people that intend on selling software on Discord, but that's also something they're not doing anymore
so that's about as far as you can get with the form
but it's all you need
frosty berry
that's a lot 🙂 i kind of hoped it would be just a knob to turn somewhere to be public, but i guess they didn't want too low an entry barrier
sand goblet
also, unlike partnership, you can buy as many licenses as you like for whatever number of servers
partners can only have one partnered server
Yeah, I think that's probably likely
sand goblet
@royal laurel moving here now the perl overlords have taken over ot0 :>
royal laurel
One would imagine with that quality, video would be 10mb top
sand goblet
I didn't take it with the camera
I took it with my phone to show the camera
haha
royal laurel
Ohhh okay lmao
I know those btw that's why i laughed
I just remember them being so strange
sand goblet
this thing has a remote
royal laurel
I feel observed by just looking at it
sand goblet
it doesn't just sit there
it rotates
you can have it follow you around the room
or you can set it with the remote or buttons
sand goblet
it's designed for conference calling at like businesses
so you put it in the middle of the table and point it at whoever's talking
it also has a speakerphone built in
it sounds awful
royal laurel
As expected with the eye of sauron in webcam form
sand goblet
I found a way to share this video
it's like over 3 years old and I didn't know how to use the camera on a phone properly but you'll see what I mean
that feel when the upload gets stuck at 100%
tight meadow
that sucks
royal laurel
lmao yes
tight meadow
I've had that feeling when uploading huge files to google drive
royal laurel
re:mod
Can't delete modelLeggings because it messes with BipedArmorLayer
public class RenderTrumpetSkeleton extends BipedRenderer<EntityTrumpetSkeleton> {
private static final ResourceLocation SKELETON_TEXTURES = new ResourceLocation("textures/entity/skeleton/skeleton.png");
public RenderTrumpetSkeleton(EntityRendererManager renderManager) {
super(renderManager, new ModelTrumpetSkeleton(), 0.5F);
this.addLayer(new HeldItemLayer(this));
this.addLayer(new BipedArmorLayer(this)
{
protected void initArmor()
{
this.modelLeggings = new ModelTrumpetSkeleton(0.5F, true);
this.modelArmor = new ModelTrumpetSkeleton(1.0F, true);
}
});
}
public void transformHeldFull3DItemLayer()
{
matrixStack.translate(0.09375F, 0.1875F, 0.0F);
}```
royal laurel
I'll probably end up rewriting but if anyone pinpoints what's wrong for porting lmk
hehehehe you actually went with it
tight meadow
that is too good to be true
royal laurel
Help
rough sapphire
hi
sand goblet
it'll be higher definition later I suppose
rough sapphire
kotdis code this
tight meadow
?
sand goblet
royal laurel
Honestly that webcam is the equivalent of irl terminator
rough sapphire
three owners three channels nicknamed after them
pine vector
reminds of of the Star Wars garbage compactor creature.
sand goblet
haha
tight meadow
omg
you could create one of those
if you wanted
like imagine walking into gdude's house and all you see is a giant compactor creature
sand goblet
you'd be more likely to see like the big cube enemy from splatoon tbh