#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 395

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 7:44 AM

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and thought of Jenny

gentle moss May 14, 2020, 7:45 AM

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hah

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i almost got a 123456

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123459

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 7:45 AM

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oof

gentle moss May 14, 2020, 7:45 AM

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just flip the phone upside down for the last digit

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 8:00 AM

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I’ve just entered 848848 to log in to discord 😄

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 8:25 AM

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I've had 111111 before

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did the sql regexp question get answered?

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it won't be a python-raw string so it's \\* or if using spencer library [.asterisk.]

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xx and bisk confirmed for h a c k e r s

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Hmm

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.uwu 710413947165081611

median domeBOT May 14, 2020, 8:56 AM

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It seems wike de .uwu <wink> featuwe isn't wowking pwopewwy, am I doing sumfing wwong?

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 8:56 AM

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@solid pollen

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 8:57 AM

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I mean,

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.uwu #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

median domeBOT May 14, 2020, 8:57 AM

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https://discowd.com/channews/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/710407740299935835

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Did it ever support channels?

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 8:58 AM

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.help uwu

median domeBOT May 14, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Command Help

.uwu <text>
Can also use: uwuwize, uwuify

*Converts a given text into it's uwu equivalent.

Also accepts a valid discord Message ID or link.*

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 8:58 AM

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^ or link

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Aha

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:13 AM

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@errant wyvern I've been in here for quite a while

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Haha yes

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Also btw I was on the pydis game jam

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:13 AM

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whats the game jam anyways

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keep hearing about it

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never bothered to find out

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:13 AM

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See #announcements

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I'm the buddy who made coin collector

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:15 AM

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the one with purple background?

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:15 AM

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wdym

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the guy with the purple background is Artemis

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:16 AM

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i cant see the names

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:17 AM

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:^(

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https://arcade.academy/game_jam_2020.html

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I'm in the bottom

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:19 AM

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i see

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checked out the code

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:19 AM

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kinda crap lol

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:19 AM

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i thought it would be async

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event listeners

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didn't write it in assembly

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disappointed

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😤

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nice one anyways atie

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:20 AM

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how I am going to write a python game in assembly lol

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also thx

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also async await wasn't necessary

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:22 AM

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well it's concurrent code tho

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no?

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:22 AM

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wdym

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lemon_thinking

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:22 AM

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functions are run simultaneously

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basically multithreading

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Sadly I can't use ohtnk

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:24 AM

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there are very few assemblers in here

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I would imagine

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I mean thats the last place you'd expect them to see probably

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there is already a decent gap between high level python and less high level C

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but between python and assembly

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Yeah

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:25 AM

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python is fascinating though

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Yes

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It's surprisingly hard

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It might seem simple at the beginning

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But when you get into decorators, meta-classes, list & dict comprehensions and that things it becomes hard

soft violet May 14, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I think the biggest obstacle people have is themselves.

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Yes lol

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:27 AM

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yeah we all knew nothing about programming at some point

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so we can all understand its not easy to get started

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:27 AM

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You can write relatively complex applications in Python without diving into the deeper parts of the data model, though

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Also python is different from other languages

soft violet May 14, 2020, 9:27 AM

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People make things harder than they have to be.

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:27 AM

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That's sometimes

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I always try to write good maintainable code

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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A lot of people don't bother learning about things like descriptors until they're more than year in

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Also yesterday I discovered the existence of -> in python

dry basin May 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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vscode or vim

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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function or class parameters?

soft violet May 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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I've not seen ->

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Vscode for the heavy things

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:28 AM

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isnt that for specifying the type

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Vim when I'm using the terminal

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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probably my favorite feature of python is async, pretty sure no other languages provide such a functionality

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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It's for function annocations

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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when you can achieve concurrency without importing threading

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:29 AM

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The -> is used to annotate the return value

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def function() -> str:
    return "some string"

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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return a -> str?

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oh

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Oh

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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quite a few languages have async

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Seems useful

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Yeah it's super common

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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@graceful basin do they have syntax change too

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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yes

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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when importing async

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for real?

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can you give me example

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Thanks @oak tangle for the explanation, yesterday I was struggling with the answers on stackoverflow

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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JS, kotlin I think too. Pony

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Even JavaScript has async/await

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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go has its own neat concurrency system

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Kotlin has coroutines but they are threaded by default

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:30 AM

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javascript needs async more than any other languages

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isnt its sole purpose event listeners for front-end

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 9:31 AM

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JavaScript has always been asynchronous

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:31 AM

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understandably

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:31 AM

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in Haskell it is a switch when compiling and it generally just works without any syntax or code change

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:31 AM

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what about nodejs

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:31 AM

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node is too

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you do not want blocking calls in backend code

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Damn
Obscure python

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:33 AM

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why do i get a feeling more back-ends are written in python than in nodejs

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:33 AM

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def something(m: "in meters", c: "in cm") -> int:
    return m * c```

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:33 AM

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yeah colons is what i was mistaking it for

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something("hey",2)
#'heyhey'

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so what does int do

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:34 AM

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That arrow is an annotation

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It means the return value

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But it's an annotation

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So if you specify int and you return str nothing bad will happen

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:35 AM

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basically comment

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then

soft violet May 14, 2020, 9:35 AM

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What looks at the annotation? Why have it at all?

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:36 AM

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when you work with large code base that would be useful

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:36 AM

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>>> def lol() -> int:
...          return "yes" 

>>> lol.__annotations__
{"return": <class "int">} ```

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@rough sapphire @soft violet I made a typo, sorry, my bad

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:37 AM

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no forgiveness for you

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:37 AM

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As you see, it's an annotation, literally

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:37 AM

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what a crime you've committed

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Annotations are partly for documenting code, ensuring that the information you need to understand the function is right there at the top

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Also sorry for the wrong indentation, I'm using my phone

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:38 AM

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!e

def lol() -> int:
    return "yes"

print(dir(lol))

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errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:38 AM

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oof

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:38 AM

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sassy bot

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:38 AM

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You can actually also use the annotations in your code and there are static type checkers, like mypy

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Most editors/IDEs also use type annotations to give you better information/hints about your code

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PyCharm makes heavy use of them

soft violet May 14, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Uh huh.

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:39 AM

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int s() {
    return 1;
}```
```py
def s() -> int:
    return 1```

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This is the same, no?

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:39 AM

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not really

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:39 AM

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The first Lang is c and the second is py

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:39 AM

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the first example is probably from a statically typed language where you have to return an int

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In Python, there's no enforcement

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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@errant wyvern looks nifty tho

soft violet May 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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So it looks to see if you might be doing something stupid and goes "Oi. Stupid head. Check out this bit here. Something looks iffy."?

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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i like that

oak tangle May 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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unless you use mypy or comethings like Contracts

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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hmmmmm
alright thanks

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i call this obscure python

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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i actually wanted to ask

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def alter(a):
  #alter a

b = 2
alter(b)

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when will b be indeed altered

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when the object type is mutable?

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if I'd like to change the value of b from within the function

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i know how to do that in C with pointers easily

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the data has to be passed by reference

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yeah reference

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how do you do that in py

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:42 AM

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that is not really possible. You could take the argument in a list or sth

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:42 AM

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well everything happens by reference in python

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yeah if i pass in a list and then append to it inside it modifies it

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outside the functions scope

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cause its mutable object

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i think

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:43 AM

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but you cannot move names that do not belong to you around

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:43 AM

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@rough sapphire if you do something like a = 1 inside the alter function, you're creating a new reference

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:43 AM

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why not return the new value

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I think... lemme try

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yeah

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I've been using C more lately

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its kind of surprising the task is easier in C, when all you need to do to alter the actual variable inside the function is use pointer as a function parameter

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@rough sapphire C has primitive data types

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it works with memory. python doesn't.

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:45 AM

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raku can do it in order to allow custom assignment operators, but python does not, as it not all that useful and easy to screw up

sub swap($a is rw, $b is rw) {
   $b, $a = $a, $b; 
}

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:46 AM

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is this topic name a tv show reference

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so when you do int x; in C, you get what you asked for, the amount of memory one integer takes on the stack

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whereas in python int is more complex

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if you do x = 5 in python, you get all kinds of non-sense that are related to the python object-model. the thing will take huge amounts of memory compared to the int.

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yeah i get that

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just did dir(int)

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:47 AM

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x = int("5")

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:)

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:47 AM

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a = 2
a.newfunc = lambda x: x+2

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why cant i do that though

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cause the integer type is immutable?

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:47 AM

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even better
x = int("5", 10)

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:47 AM

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never thought about it

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decimal representation?

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something like that probably yeah

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@rough sapphire interpreter prevents

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:48 AM

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because not all builtins can get their fields assigned

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:48 AM

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i presume

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:48 AM

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for example, functions can

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:48 AM

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they should tho?

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some things are just holy, okay?

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:48 AM

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int("5", 10)
"5" -> the string we wanna convert to int
10 -> representation (base 10)

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:48 AM

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def a():
    ...
a.name = value

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:48 AM

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x = int("F", 16)
x = 15

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:49 AM

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I would guess the reason why you cannot do this to an int is that they are defined in C code and do not use the typical backing dict some objects have

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:49 AM

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disappointed

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wanted to create some extra properties

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for my advanced integer

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you can sub-class it

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class theINT(int):

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subclassing from int

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would the use case be some discrete mathematics

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it's whatever you want it to be

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class int(int):
  def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs):
    super().__init__(*args, **kwargs)

b = int()
b.newfunc = lambda x: x+2

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well that works

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😄

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I wouldn't override the int with the classname int

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that seems veeery confusing

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yeah me neither was just testing

graceful basin May 14, 2020, 9:53 AM

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!code

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rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:53 AM

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really

errant wyvern May 14, 2020, 9:53 AM

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you can replace python with py

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 9:53 AM

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where were you before

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i have my bash alias to py

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as well

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:08 PM

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anyone knows online game but still its open world

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not just hack and slash

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but open world should be like GTA, and Fallout , not playing from top

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and Fallout 3 is very nice. I didnt expect it to have Aliens and Spaceship

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just completed its so big

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Good open world games? Breath of the wild, final fantasy 15, far cry 4/5..

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:14 PM

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i need online

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where lot of people interact

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Even FC3 is very good. Online games are much harder to find - but you listed one, GTA

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:15 PM

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ok

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i will stick to offline

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Yeah FC3 was good but I hated the main character

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:15 PM

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i liked Pwn Adventure 3 which is online, so i thought maybe there were games similar to that

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however its server is buggy and jammed

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I mean you're essentially asking for MMOs that aren't MMOs

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Like uh.. oh, secondlife

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Runescape

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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ok

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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In fairness Runescape is pretty good

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Oh yeah, RuneScape can run on a potato

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Sea of Thieves can probably run on a potato

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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It's pretty grindy but that could be a plus

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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That was always the appeal

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:18 PM

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potato is like Steam?

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:18 PM

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potato = bad pc

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low specs

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Potato as in a slow computer yeah

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Although in fairness, that'd be a fun platform name

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:19 PM

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ok

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:19 PM

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fyi - given your penchant for piracy - practically no game allows you online without a legal copy

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Yar

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM

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dont bring the piracy stuff plz

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM

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and also given your penchant for piracy

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you might like Sea of Thieves

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I just wanted an excuse to say yar

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Yarr

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I like how Skullgirls did their DRM

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The game played fine but people that pirated got a special error message occasionally

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM

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That's the cartoony fighter right?

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Yeah

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So the people that pirated ended up going to Twitter to get support on their error

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Developer told them to just buy the game haha

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:22 PM

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GameDev Tycoon did something similar. Midway through the game you'd have people pirating the games you make to the point where you couldn't make enough money to keep the business going

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:22 PM

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They did something with Spyro 3 as well but it was much funnier

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Random aside about that. If you bought game dev tycoon from their site, you could literally just send the exe to someone else and it would work without that piracy thing

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so

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it was pretty ineffective at stopping piracy

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:22 PM

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In Spyro 3 the game would start out normally

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But the further through it you got, the weirder it behaved

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Like you'd go into a level portal and end up somewhere completely different

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Or it'd remove a single gem from a stage so you couldn't complete it

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Eventually you got to the final boss

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:23 PM

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@undone berry You're correct, but the funny thing is that the devs distributed the pirate version themselves to try and make a point

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:23 PM

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oh

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:23 PM

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And then the game stopped, deleted your save, and took you back to the first area

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:23 PM

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I don't think they expected it to really do anything

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:23 PM

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level changing

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i never faced something like that

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Like you'd go into a level portal and end up somewhere completely different
@sand goblet

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Chrono Trigger has a good one

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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This was a deliberate thing they did in Spyro 3 for pirates

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Yeah, I guess. Random aside to the random aside. The devs (greenheart games) were working on some game where you ran a tavern/inn for adventurers that looked really damn fun

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Also Zoe would tell you you were playing a pirated game

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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damn - still not out

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https://tavernkeeper.com/

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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how does someone knows the game is pirated or not

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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At any point when you'd go through a time portal to visit a different period, the game would check to see if it was running on a legit copy. And would get you stuck in that cool visual effect.

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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do pirated have changed .exe

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:25 PM

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There's a lot of different ways they can do it

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Maaaaaaaaaaan, that bums me out. I'm anxious to see it when its done

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:25 PM

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In this case we're talking PS1 where people were playing with modchips and storage devices

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:25 PM

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oh PSI

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Meaning the games loaded faster than they were supposed to

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That's one way they checked

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Okay

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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so having high processing speed can pirate u

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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That totally makes sense why the PS2 had the normal and fast read options for PS1 games

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I never thought about that

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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I have a video on all this somewhere

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It gets way more clever than that

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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👍

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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The Cutting Room Floor has a bunch of articles on it, too

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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On a per game basis

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It's really neat

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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This guy is great

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Did you have a PS1, hem?

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Of course

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Did you play the tomba/tombi games?

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So weird, but so good

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I did not

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Okay so

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I'm familiar with them, though

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Okay good

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They were excellent

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We never expected a sequel but they actually did it haha

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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This is the era of sequels right now

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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I mean even back then

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Tombi 2 was a thing on ps1

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Ah that's right

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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It had some really annoying music in parts but

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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which platform is Pokemon intended for? the classical one as shown in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzrtU7VtPU

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Gameboy

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The original Gameboy

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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ok

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Also had borders and a color scheme that worked on a Super GameBoy

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Always thought that was cool

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Oh yeah, that also worked on the Pokemon stadium Gameboy player

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Yep yep

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

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did u ever played in Gameboy

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Yes, we owned Gameboys

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

#

Yep, we had a couple original ones

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

#

Still have one around here somewhere

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

#

i never saw one

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

#

I mean they were my brother's but I still played them a LOT

#

Helped on long car trips

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

#

Mom and I had one

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I had Pokemon blue, she had red

#

We managed to completely finish red

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

#

Your mom is the superior gamer

undone berry May 14, 2020, 1:31 PM

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not what traditionally follows "your mom..."

low shadow May 14, 2020, 1:31 PM

#

iirc there was a group

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which we had to fight

#

in Pokemon

#

i played in Java Nokia Traditional

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 1:32 PM

#

Neat

#

I guess I forgot they were powerful enough for stuff like that

#

OH, fun fact about the Super GameBoy

#

The Super Nintendo wasn't powerful enough to properly emulate a GameBoy's hardware. So the Super GameBoy cart was literally all the hardware from the GameBoy stuffed into a SNES cart. Minus the screen, buttons, speaker, etc.

#

But I just find that wild

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 1:36 PM

#

I kinda want to play tombi again now

#

Dammit

#

I still have physical copies too..

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 2:41 PM

#

the guy with pink hair and just pants?

#

fighting pigs?

#

i loved that game a lot but never finished

#

there is a really entertaining speedrun of it on AGDQ

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 2:52 PM

#

So.. I broke IntelliJ by cancelling the load of a project on startup haha

#

I had to reboot to make it launch again, and invalidate the cache to get all the linting back

#

I think it even compiled faulty code

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 3:08 PM

#

@autumn herald Do you mean the incredibly awkward one where the dude invited himself to the couch and made most of the people on it uncomfortable?

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

#

yes

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"can you please stop''

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

#

I mean I like some cringe stuff but that... yeah no

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:10 PM

#

yes that game, ember

#

throwing evil pigs into evil pig bags

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:10 PM

#

i feel for the guy, he was just overly enthousiast but yeah

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:10 PM

#

it was the guy's birthday I think

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:10 PM

#

I loved the setting and music it was unique

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:10 PM

#

and they let him sit on the couch for it

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:11 PM

#

imagine being the guy that said yes

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 3:11 PM

#

Ooo, I think I found my new insult. "He's such a pig bag."

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:11 PM

#

haha

#

have you played Death Coming yet, hem?

#

I'm trying to check whether it's still free on epic, but

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📎 unknown.png

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Haven't heard of it, no

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

#

it's a silly isometric pixel art game

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I think probably a mobile port

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where you play as Death's intern trying to reap as many souls as you can

#

it's pretty great

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

#

i wanna try outward

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but i know I'll get bored quickly

undone berry May 14, 2020, 3:14 PM

#

is it a Divinity: Original Sin type game?

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

#

nah its like Skyrim Dark souls ?

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

#

At least you have the error message in english

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

#

Open World thing but you die to almost anything

#

combat seems a bit weird

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 3:17 PM

#

If I get a 500 on the EGS, the error will be in German... for some reason I guess

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:17 PM

#

but I just like exploration in Games

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 3:17 PM

#

Are you using a VPN/ are you in Germany?

#

Or close to it?

solid pollen May 14, 2020, 3:18 PM

#

Nope, I'm in france, without any VPN, at the complete other side

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 3:18 PM

#

Weird

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:23 PM

#

oh hey

#

new paper mario

#

https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/paper-mario-origami-king-announced-for-nintendo-switch

TechRaptor

Paper Mario: The Origami King Announced For Nintendo Switch

A new Paper Mario game is working its way to the Nintendo Switch. Paper Mario: The Origami King will hit Nintendo's hybrid console on July 17th. Expect plenty of paper puns and the Paper Mario series' usual irreverent style.

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oh my god it has actual origami

#

what

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:27 PM

#

nice

#

I disliked the lasts ones since the 3DS episode

#

i hope this will be better

#

Maybe I am just old

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:28 PM

#

they have this strange ring based battle system

#

it'll be interesting

autumn herald May 14, 2020, 3:29 PM

#

huhu the Samus head

#

I loved the humor in this serie

#

Always cute and harmless

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 3:29 PM

#

yeah

low shadow May 14, 2020, 5:02 PM

#

watched diablo lord of dest. gameplay , its a classical RPG gameplay but i dont play that type of games in laptop, i used to play in my 0-9 numbered Nokia mobile , i like to play such games like that in mobile @rough sapphire

#

though it was good suggestion

inner crag May 14, 2020, 6:44 PM

#

oh boi epic down

#

i've been trying to get in

#

ya boi not allowed

#

i shall get my popcorn

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 6:45 PM

#

Too many people trying to get Rockstar's crime simulator

lofty dirge May 14, 2020, 6:45 PM

#

Is GTA V free on EPic Store?

inner crag May 14, 2020, 6:45 PM

#

yessir

#

but its dead

lofty dirge May 14, 2020, 6:45 PM

#

popcornparrot

inner crag May 14, 2020, 6:45 PM

#

the website

#

and launcher

#

i think

#

they managed to keep up at least 30 minutes

#

before it blew on reddit

terse sluice May 14, 2020, 6:51 PM

#

it's working fine for me

#

download is just a bit slow though.. about 30 mb/s

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

Oh poor baby

#

I'm happy if I get 5

tame flint May 14, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

test message please disregard

#

this

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 7:40 PM

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@tame flint Whatcha testin'?

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

hey @plucky ridge, speak of the devil: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/05/chrome-will-soon-block-resource-draining-ads-heres-how-to-turn-it-on-now/

Ars Technica

Chrome will soon block resource-draining ads. Here’s how to turn it...

Fed up with cryptojacking ads? Google developers have you covered.

plucky ridge May 14, 2020, 8:39 PM

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PFF

#

Fair enough

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

it's a good idea

#

haha

#

ugh, okay, why did that happen

#

33 down, 8.2 up

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not my problem

#

fix yer shit, discord

gusty oar May 14, 2020, 9:42 PM

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cloud sucks conviction while nondescript remorses petulant solemn besides unsettles

sand goblet May 14, 2020, 9:43 PM

#

Old man yells at cloud.

#

Oh hey.

https://twitter.com/discord/status/1261027670038642689

Discord (@discord)

Server Video is out now to everyone on desktop, web, iOS, and soon on Android.

We wrote some feel-good words on how server video came to be (hint: you made it happen!): https://t.co/Ab30fb0rbp https://t.co/uisFrU9tDd

Retweets

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Likes

3973

▶ Play video

gusty oar May 14, 2020, 9:45 PM

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hmm interesting

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hey gdude , do you think implementing "ULTRA NAMING CONVENTION" that beats the shit out of every naming convention ever

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that will appliable every language ever

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even the real languages

gusty oar May 14, 2020, 10:15 PM

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https://twitter.com/econo_my/status/1260914256607883267

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godaddy sucks

gentle moss May 14, 2020, 10:36 PM

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postit thing spotify history maryland national sport ice

#

uhhhhhhhhhh

#

i was using discord text box as a notepad

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:52 PM

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@tardy wind this channel was created, uhh

#

!server

royal lakeBOT May 14, 2020, 10:52 PM

#

Server information
Created: 3 years, 4 months and 6 days ago
Voice region: us-east
Features: BANNER, PUBLIC, ANIMATED_ICON, PARTNERED, NEWS, VANITY_URL, DISCOVERABLE, VIP_REGIONS, WELCOME_SCREEN_ENABLED, INVITE_SPLASH

Counts
Members: 47,232
Roles: 54
Category channels: 17
News channels: 2
Text channels: 101
Voice channels: 6

Members
status_online 6,529
status_idle 3,736
status_dnd 2,723
status_offline 34,244

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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3 years, 4 months, and 6 days ago

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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we missed our 3rd birthday

#

sad

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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ahh nice

#

about the same time the c# one was created

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

#

yeah @bleak lintel I don't think we've celebrated any of the birthdays, really.

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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yeah neither

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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There’s always a time to start

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

#

put a party hat on the snakes in the logo

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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we probably should.

golden girder May 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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ok, already for a while

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

happy 3 year 4 month 6 day birthday!!!

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

hahaha

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

fwiw this is one of the better run programming servers on discord

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

thanks

#

appreciate it

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

Yeah it’s pretty good

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

it's more or less a second job to run

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

#

It’s not as toxic as I thought it was gonna be

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 10:55 PM

#

@tardy wind what other ones have you looked at?

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:55 PM

#

ya my server has 500 and i spend way to much time doing that, nearly 50k is a stupid amount

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:55 PM

#

that's one of the things we spend the most time working on @tight meadow

#

toxicity erodes a community

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:55 PM

#

im in about 15

#

most are avg

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 10:56 PM

#

Yeah, I’ve been doing a lot of c++ lately and I find most communities are super toxic

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:56 PM

#

for the record, if you guys witness toxicity in here, ping a moderator and we will annihilate that person.

golden girder May 14, 2020, 10:56 PM

#

I was a bit surprised when I found a Python discord server but no Machine Learning/Artificial Intelligence discord

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:56 PM

#

the other goods ones imo are the C# server, java together is pretty good, the functional programming server is also really good

#

and the coding den is decent

#

active mods

#

but those first three are really good

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:56 PM

#

programming discussions is decent

#

the adafruit community is lovely

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:57 PM

#

dapi is garbage

#

i avoid at at all costs

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:57 PM

#

some of it is bad

#

depends on which library channel you are in

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:57 PM

#

i had someone argue with me that you should keep your database connection open permanently

#

i noped out after that

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:57 PM

#

the elixir channels are just talking about favourite fruits and stuff and then other channels are "LEARN THE LANGUAGE BLAH BLAH"

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:57 PM

#

this was pydis

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 10:58 PM

#

sounds like they might have meant persistent connections?

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 10:58 PM

#

And I thought I was bad at programming

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:58 PM

#

no they were talking about having a single connection for every query for a mysql db

terse sluice May 14, 2020, 10:58 PM

#

here's an AI one @golden girder https://discord.gg/CbVJYtz

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:58 PM

#

i get onto the starboard all the time on dapi 😎

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 10:58 PM

#

what's dapi?

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

being a lib dev is probably cheating tho

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

discord api

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

😁

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

unofficial discord dev server

golden girder May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

weird, I didn't find that one in the public server browser, maybe that one isn't public? @terse sluice

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

I'm not a library dev lol

#

oh wait

#

huh

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

joe is just a regular-ass guy with a big-ass community

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 10:59 PM

#

ohh i was just looking at the role u have

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

I write stuff on Elixir discord wrapper now as well 🐒

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

do you sleep?

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

I hate to sound uncultured, but what is a lib dev?

terse sluice May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

it's public; probably not big enough i guess @golden girder

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

developers of the discord api wrappers

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

Oh

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

yep

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

eg discord.net or pydiscord

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

#

do people really call it pydiscord

#

I mean, pydis is our thing

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:01 PM

#

i dunno, im not a super big python guy. just hobby stuff. i do c# usually

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:01 PM

#

I wish I could do more python

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:01 PM

#

then do more python

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:02 PM

#

is there a decent PHP discord or is it like JS where the answer is not really?

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:02 PM

#

I’m making a game, python is not what I’m looking for

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:02 PM

#

I certainly don't think there'll be a better PHP one than what you've got for JS, @rough sapphire

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:03 PM

#

is there really no JS server?

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:03 PM

#

there's a few

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:03 PM

#

There’s probably a node.js one

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:03 PM

#

I heard good things about this one https://discord.com/invite/dAF4F28

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

11k damn

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

Should have been “JSpeak”

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

theres two c# servers and neither has 11 lol

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

unfortunate that was a missed opportunity xD

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

Exactly what I was thinking

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

i'm surprised there doesn't seem to be one for PHP given the domain and popularity of the language

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

i guess the people that write c# and the people that frequent discord are not a huge overlap

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

#

SpeakJS is a far better name than JSpeak

#

it also follows the JS convention of naming things SomethingJS

#

like AngularJS

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

Still, it looked like a missed opportunity

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

but JSpeak is right there

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

Even if it’s bad

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

JSpeak reads like "Jay-speak"

#

what the hell is jay

#

JAVA?

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

Maybe someone who is named jay

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

lemon_enraged

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

you dont know my man jay?

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

silent jay?

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

The owner could legally change their name to jay

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

wait

pine vector May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

lol

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

thats a good movie lol

#

kinda weird tho

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

yeah but it's jay and silent bob. I combined them into a single supercharacter

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

fooled me

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

has anyone used Nim before?

#

I've had a brief look at it a few months ago

pine vector May 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

Silent JayBob might be a good sequel...

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

and seemed an interesting alternative to Python for small-ish CLI apps

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

i accually watched that move quite recently like a week back

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

Silent JayBob, a movie in which kevin smith plays every character

#

eddie murphie klumps style

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

Imagine that paycheck

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

haha

pine vector May 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

#

16 USD?

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

at least 1$

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

hollywood accounting

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

ohh ya i remembered my original question, how long have yall been partnered

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

Could pay for half of a decent candy

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

cuz the c# server has been trying and weve been denied like 5 times

#

even tho we are listed on microsofts site -_-

#

and on the dotnet repository

#

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/platform/community

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

when i was younger the corner shop sold toosie rolls for a penny and me and my cousin would buy hundreds untill they were sold out

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

bottom -____-

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

This is the reason I don’t use c#

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

so... who actually loves Mike Oldfield?

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

looks like we were partnered on the 7th of october 2018

#

mostly @gentle moss

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

he's actually one of my favorite musicians (no joke)

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

This is the reason I don’t use c#
cuz a discord server isnt partnered?

#

wut

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

we had to fight pretty hard to get the partnership too

#

we were rejected probably 3-4 times

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

what did yall say

#

cuz its been annoyign for us

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

we partnered up with r/python

#

and then we said "we're partnered with a subreddit with 250,000 users, now what?"

#

and they said fine

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

we are listed up with r/csharp

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

You sound like a criminal mastermind

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

and with /r/dotnet

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

that was pretty slick

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

maybe we should make it official

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

well, we made other compelling arguments, but I think that was the turning point in the conversation.

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

noted

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

we were probably a bit lucky, and it may have been a timing thing too

#

might be harder today

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:12 PM

#

I don’t believe that luck helped you

#

I personally believe luck is an excuse to neglect your achievements

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

i mean to be fair this is THE discord for EVERYTHING python and like not python too just to hang out in so im sure it would haver happend eventually either way

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

i'm going to bed as i'm falling asleep at my keyboard. gn everyone, and enjoy your stay to everyone that's new

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

discord has def tightened up the requirements

#

over the past year

#

very annoying

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

@shrewd wingn good night

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

lol

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

gn

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

yeah, nice to see all you new people

#

thanks so much for joining us

#

I appreciate you all

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

is there an info command

#

i forget when i joined

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:14 PM

#

what would that do

#

oh, yeah you can use !user in #bot-commands

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:14 PM

#

cool

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

discord expose flags like partner and staff etc. to bots now

#

pretty cool

#

discord.py doesn't have it yet I don't think

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

Who made the bots?

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

theyve been doing alot with bots recently

#

i think they know that discord bots are game changers

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

I'm just adding it to Elixir now https://github.com/Kraigie/nostrum/pull/166/files

GitHub

Add flag support to Nostrum for user public_flags by jos-b · Pull R...

Hello Craig, hope you are safe.
I've implemented flags onto the user struct to allow people to see who is staff.
iex> {:ok, %{public_flags: flags}} = Nostrum.Cache.UserCache.get(1650...

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@tight meadow anyone can make a bot on Discord

#

https://discordapp.com/developers

Discord Developer Portal

Discord Developer Portal — API Docs for Bots and Developers

Integrate your service with Discord — whether it's a bot or a game or whatever your wildest imagination can come up with.

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:16 PM

#

I know, but who made your bots?

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:16 PM

#

how complete is the Nostrum lib ive bene looking at it as a way to learn elixir better

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:16 PM

#

uhhh

#

yeah

#

it's not very complete

#

Alchemy is the better one iirc

#

I'm trying to bring Nostrum up to scratch

#

@tight meadow community projects, https://github.com/python-discord/bot

GitHub

python-discord/bot

The community bot for the Python Discord community - python-discord/bot

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

#

Ok

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

#

Nostrum is missing a few things and it has it's caveats

pine vector May 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

#

hehe. beat me. here's the contibutors link: https://github.com/python-discord/bot/graphs/contributors

GitHub

python-discord/bot

The community bot for the Python Discord community - python-discord/bot

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

#

like is it usable is more of what im asking haha also ive never heard if Alchemy ill check it out if its a better option

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

#

attempting write CONTRIBUTING.md for my bot and yet here i am shitposting

#

sounds about right

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

oh it's certainly usable yeah, I've written a command handler on a bot just today which was pretty slick

#

dynamic command registering and everything

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:18 PM

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nice

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:18 PM

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how does python bot handle user secrets

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:18 PM

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like you have all the data on users there (this flags thing is coming soon™️)

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@tardy wind user secrets? like the token it uses to login?

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:19 PM

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yee

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i just made a json file that i added to gitignore

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but ehh

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:19 PM

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we use environment variables which we keep in a private repository that only the devops team (4 of the staff members) can access

tardy wind May 14, 2020, 11:20 PM

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how do contributors keep theirs secret

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their test ones

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:20 PM

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they have a file called .env where they keep stuff

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I'm pretty proud of this application structure

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iex(7)> Registry.select(Eggmotes.CommandRegistry, [{{:"$1", :_, :_}, [], [:"$1"]}])
["massban", "invited", "invitecounts", "ban", "invites", "ping"]
iex(8)> Registry.select(Eggmotes.EventRegistry, [{{:"$1", :_, :_}, [], [:"$1"]}])
["GUILD_MEMBER_REMOVE", "READY", "GUILD_MEMBER_ADD", "MESSAGE_CREATE"]

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and then I have those two registries which map events/commands => modules/functions

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:21 PM

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at my company we store secrets on Keybase

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:22 PM

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observer is the coolest shit in Elixir

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super cool

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:24 PM

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what in the world lol thats awesome ive been really meaning to dive deep into elixir as of now ive only played with it in iex im like on the edge of "elixir curious" and just doing it haha i dont even know what id use it for i kind of just want to learn it

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:25 PM

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the selling point of Elixir/Erlang is the fault tolerance, concurrency and distributed nature shipped natively

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so like in this bot I've been setting up when it wants to run a command it runs it in a DynamicSupervisor, no matter what goes on in that command if it crashes then nothing else happens

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but there is other behaviour, you can say restart services, restart all services

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it's very hard to crash elixir unintentionally

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but yeah concurrency and message passing is super cool as well

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for example

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iex(2)> my_process = spawn fn ->
...(2)>   receive do
...(2)>     msg -> IO.puts "Received message: #{msg}"
...(2)>   end
...(2)> end
#PID<0.117.0>
iex(3)> Process.alive? my_process
true
iex(4)> send my_process, "I'm sending you a message!"
Received message: I'm sending you a message!
"I'm sending you a message!"
iex(5)> Process.alive? my_process
false

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so there I send a message to this process I've spawned and it receives it and then it closes

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then you have all sorts of more complex things like GenServer and gen_stage etc. which build on this

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you can send messages around to different processes like it was an operating system

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which is it, it's a VM

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Discord does the exact same thing on their Elixir backend

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when you connect to Discord you spin up a process and connect to a Guild process

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when that guild process receives a message it fans it out to all the listening users (they built https://github.com/discord/manifold for that or presences iirc)

GitHub

discord/manifold

Fast batch message passing between nodes for Erlang/Elixir. - discord/manifold

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Hi

gentle moss May 14, 2020, 11:30 PM

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@tame terrace is right

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i am the one who loves mike oldfield

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i am late

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

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yes

gentle moss May 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

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but it's true

tame terrace May 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

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late and gross

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Hello
Im looking for guides for develop a car plate detector for my country registration.

The car plate has this regular expression:

AV-12-12.

Its from Portugal.

Any guide for me?
I already have done with tesseract and Open cv and no result.
I have followed this tutorial

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54419097/how-to-extract-and-recognize-the-vehicle-plate-number-with-python

Thanks

Stack Overflow

How to extract and recognize the vehicle plate number with Python?

I have tried using pytesseract in collaboration with PIL to identify the vehicle registration number from the number plate image. But am not able to get the text from these images.

the code:

fro...

gentle moss May 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

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totally gross

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wow

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i was gonna go into a thing about how i hadn't cleaned my keyboard

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but okay that's not important

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Im quiet new to python

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:32 PM

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@agile quail https://github.com/Kraigie/nostrum/pull/166 and now we can say we had public flags before discord.py 😎

GitHub

Add flag support to Nostrum for user public_flags by jos-b · Pull R...

Hello Craig, hope you are safe.
I've implemented flags onto the user struct to allow people to see who is staff.
iex> {:ok, %{public_flags: flags}} = Nostrum.Cache.UserCache.get(1650...

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:32 PM

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In my country registration dont work

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Anyone can help?

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:33 PM

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haha thats great low key flexing on d.py pydistrong

bleak lintel May 14, 2020, 11:33 PM

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@rough sapphire check out #❓｜how-to-get-help, you're more likely to find an answer in a help channel!

gentle moss May 14, 2020, 11:33 PM

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you're not gonna find it here.

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i'm busy loving mike oldfield.

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have you listened to crises?!

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it's excellent

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:40 PM

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@rough sapphire that's actually more of a computer vision problem rather than Python... Either way, what specific part isn't working?

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(also, this might not be the right channel to ask that)

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Dont recognise the pattern

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:41 PM

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@gentle moss Actually I don't think I've heard that one. I've recently relistened to Incantations though

rough sapphire May 14, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Where i can ask?

ocean cipher May 14, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Question, imagine we could time travel, right now. If we go back in time, millions of years, and mess something up, lets say accidentally step on an ant, after that we travel back and find a completely different civilization. Does that mean that everyone else went to a parallel universe, or, were just wiped from existence entirely? Also, Einstein said that time travel was possible but the amount of energy required would be too much for us to be able to do it. So, thinking about that, do scientists that study parallel universes ever think about time travel in their theories? off-topic questions

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:43 PM

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woah

tight meadow May 14, 2020, 11:43 PM

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All I know is that the time machine would use python3 and not 2

agile quail May 14, 2020, 11:43 PM

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haha

golden girder May 14, 2020, 11:43 PM

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@rough sapphire I'm not sure which channel is the right one for that (I've just joined this server 30 mins ago). Maybe in #python-discussion? (could someone help here?)

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Question, imagine we could time travel
That reminds me of that image of the guy protesting with a sign that said
"What do we want? TIME TRAVEL"
"When do we want it? THAT'S IRRELEVANT"

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@ocean cipher If you want something that really messes with your head, if we had the ability to teleport ( think Star Trek ), are we the same person on the other side?

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The entire reason this is a scary concept, is that if we are the same person on the other side, who's to say the machine can't copy us and make clones?

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If we aren't the same person on the other side, where did we go? Did we die and get recreated on the other side?

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😄

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Nothing quite like casual conversation

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:00 AM

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The teleporter stuff is always kinda interesting

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especially as the practical answer to it is just sort of "eh - teleporting is fast who cares"

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I imagine practically no one would not use a teleporter

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:01 AM

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I knew someone would say that.

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One sec, lemme show you an example of someone who won't

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:01 AM

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To be clear- there are exceptions - but I'd imagine its a roughly similar proportion as those who refuse to get in a car

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or those who refuse to get in a train (back in ye olde days when trains were new)

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Despite its frequent use, characters such as Leonard McCoy and Katherine Pulaski are reluctant to use the transporter, as the characters express in the Next Generation episodes "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Unnatural Selection", respectively. Reginald Barclay expresses his outright fear of transporting in "Realm of Fear".

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_(Star_Trek)

Transporter (Star Trek)

A transporter is a fictional teleportation machine used in the Star Trek universe. Transporters convert a person or object into an energy pattern (a process called "dematerialization"), then "beam" it to a target location, where it is reconverted into matter ("rematerializatio...

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Would you use a teleporter?

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Good question, and I think I'd like to know how they function first.

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Yeah, that's pretty logical

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Because if it's "We're going to destroy you and then reconstruct what we believe is you on the other side" Ha ha, no.

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Also the safety of the thing would need to be perfect. I don't want to materialize into a solid rock

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Try to breathe but I can't because my insides are solid stone

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:05 AM

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A lot depends on specifics of course. But it does come back to what defines "us". Is going to sleep and waking up the next day becoming a new person? Does the old you "die" when you become unconscious?

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:06 AM

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I've heard that argument more than once, and I think what defines someone are memories/experiences, beliefs, and your present day understanding of the world.

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Which, could those be digitized? Most certainly.

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Is there more to it then that? Yes. But that's roughly what I believe defines a person as a person

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Yeah, I largely agree that's the best definition of consciousness . Sadly we'll probably never get to find out if teleporters do kill us because science moves so damn slowly

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bloody safety. Just give me superpowers already, I don't care if it means I die in 2 hours

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Does it move slowly, though? Cell phones spawned out of tricorders and the like. 20~ years ago we were told we'd never have a calculator in our pockets. 8 years later, the iPhone came out.

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:09 AM

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It moves slowly by the standards of science fiction. And space tech has moved far more slowly than it should have if the world had it's head screwed on properly

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Oh sure, because science fiction is one huge hype train when it comes to that

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WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PLUTO IN 2 YEARS
just isn't realistic

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Space and environmental tech are pretty good examples of how science has kinda stagnated. Relatively little progress made in those fields

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We went from not reaching orbit to the moon in ~15 years

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then just sorta stopped progressing

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well - not stopped progressing, but definitely the rate changed

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Space and environmental tech are pretty good examples of how science has kinda stagnated. Relatively little progress made in those fields
That's bad phrasing. Science hasn't stagnated. Those fields just move slower than they ought to

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Speaking of space, do you know how much money NASA gets? Percentage-wise?

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I've heard the % but forgotten now

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I remember it was tiny

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:12 AM

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A fraction of one percent

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It's been like that for a while now, at least 8+ years.

undone berry May 15, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Yeah - and of that money, they have to play politics and go for worse suppliers to keep state politicians happy by funding jobs in certain states. I'm sure one day it will change - and that will be pretty great

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 2:14 AM

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and go for worse suppliers
I mean, that's how federal contractors**, and the like** work though. You're never going to see anything done by anything other than the least expensive.

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( Not to say that they're cheap in any regard, they're still fairly pricey. But it's just the nature of the beast. )

topaz aurora May 15, 2020, 4:57 AM

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TIL I can switch windows pinned on my taskbar with Win+N

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Well ain't that convenient

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 8:19 AM

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was wondering why my systemd-logind service on linux was going nuts. the CPU usage was hundreds of percent and it was chunking up all my cores. it didn't happen when i booted the laptop but seemed to start happening after i closed the lid and started to do SSH to it.

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the problem turns out that since I had done something called 'masking' on the basic suspend\sleep\hibernate functionalities of the linux system to forcefully avoid it to shut off while closing the lid... the system-logind that was actually responsible for doing that, was getting Permission Denied and it kept trying to shut the computer down all the time...

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so once the "don't shut the computer down when the lid is closed" procedure was done instead of forcefully hiding those things by the operating system, and systemd-logind was restarted, magically the CPU usage went back to 0%

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mystery solved. victory for humanity against the robots.

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Hey! I have a query which is not quite Pythonic:

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I want to make an app which displays the map of my college campus

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Like way to library, different buildings, and etc so that a new student doesn't face problems in navigating around the college

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Does anyone know how can I implement this?😅..kinda blank on ideas here

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:08 AM

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that sounds like a web app

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:08 AM

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Ah! I am thinking of an android app

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Quite a coincidence @rough sapphire that your pic is a "map"😂

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:09 AM

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you could use google maps and write it in kotlin or some other language supporting android

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:10 AM

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But Google maps doesn't completely show the full campus of my college

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I want to show different departments, library, playground, etc

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:11 AM

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oh, so you want to make your own map.

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:11 AM

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So that a fresher doesn't have troubles in navigating the college

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Yes exactly @graceful basin

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Any idea?

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:14 AM

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You could maybe use something like unity and model a rough 3D model of the campus and then do the navigation, but IDK how hard or possible that would be

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could also look at openstreetmap

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:14 AM

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do you need 3D or just layered 2D possibly

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:19 AM

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I just want the student to get his real time location in the map

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2D or 3D anything will work

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:23 AM

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hmm

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so there needs to be a GPS signal

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to get the location

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that has to be matched to some map

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the GPS signal comes off as geographic coordinates in WGS84 or something

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Yes

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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so you basically have to work in those coordinates almost, or then design a coordinate transformation

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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I think you need something like google location services to get good enough accuracy for a campus

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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But do I need to design the map myself or Is there already a service for it?

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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I'm pretty sure that you'll have to draw the map yourself if either the campus\university itself doesn't have a digital version of the map or something like the county\city\country by law

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there might be some hobbyist who has these things. who knows

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:28 AM

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you can generally get highly detailed maps of some things from your local government, for some fee

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:28 AM

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but I don't personally know of any "database for maps of campus areas"

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I'd start with the university though

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:28 AM

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ye, they should have that

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:29 AM

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there might be people willing to help with the map thing if you just make the proof of concept first roughly working

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maybe the uni will throw some money at you to make it complete if they like it

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Ok after I have the map, how should I go on adding the GPS

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Should I upload that map to Google maps

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:30 AM

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you can show overlays over google maps

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may be helpful

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is this US, europe, Asia, africa, or elsewhere?

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Ok

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It's India

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:38 AM

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oh, then you probably want a custom overlay, I know nothing of indians maps

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:39 AM

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So, after I have map, I'll use custom overlays to show it on Google Maps? Right?

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:39 AM

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ye, that seems reasonable

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:39 AM

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is google maps accurate enough

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or am i misunderstanding

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just take an empty google maps component and lay it over that thing somehow?

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:40 AM

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google maps is just for positioning the user and render the map nicely. GPS is not accurate enough for this by itself afaik

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:41 AM

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GPS can be accurate up to 3 meters

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what are you talking about

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even more probably

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:42 AM

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huh, last I tried it was not that great, especially when stationary

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:42 AM

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it depends on how many satellites there are visible

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but even something like 30 meter accuracy should be ~okayish on a campus I think

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those things are not small

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 10:45 AM

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the issue is that you often have similar looking turns and it is quite difficult to relate the birds eye view to what you actually see

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:45 AM

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So plan B is to take am empty Google map component and use overlay?

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:46 AM

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check the campus area from google maps. what is the "best" map you can currently get out of it

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if you draw on top of that, how good will it be?

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Ok! I'll do that ✨

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:49 AM

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that's what putting an overlay on top of google maps means

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if it's not good enough, you'll have to rethink the whole approach

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Yes I saw a couple of videos on that now

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I think it's worth a shot! Will give it a try 🙂

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:52 AM

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you can try open street maps too

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but those maps might not be any more accurate

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Yah! It shows a pretty old map of the campus

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

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so then there might be a good idea to just try to digitize the maps from the university or something if they don't exist in digital form yet

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that could be a project in itself.

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i was part of a digitization project for our university where we took all the math exams the student body had collected for the last 20 years in paper folders and scanned them into an archive for the public

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the end result was that the department changed their policies so that now the new exams all have to be archived too straight as PDFs without any scan non-sense

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and they actually get there on time because it's the department policy

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Wow! That's actually pretty great!

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Ok! Lemme inquire the university authority if they have any map at all

stuck meteor May 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

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does someone know how to disable completely the gmail authentication?

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I want to access my email from any pc

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

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@stuck meteor Head on the security panel of your Google account

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 11:04 AM

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just.. use your password?

stuck meteor May 15, 2020, 11:04 AM

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it doesnt work if i have different ip though

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Turn off 2 way authentication

stuck meteor May 15, 2020, 11:04 AM

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did it..

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Although I wonder why would you wanna do it!

stuck meteor May 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Because i cant use the script if i use vpn

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It fails on auth part

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Btw thanks @rough sapphire and @graceful basin for all that knowledge 😁

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

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np. i'm just procrastinating.

graceful basin May 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

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same

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:05 AM

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😂

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@stuck meteor are you using it for a web app?

stuck meteor May 15, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Well i have a script that should send emails

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:06 AM

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You might want to implement O-Auth 2 if so

stuck meteor May 15, 2020, 11:07 AM

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I dont know what is it

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Look for it, there must be ample of tutorials

stuck meteor May 15, 2020, 11:09 AM

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but if i use this will i be able to access even if i change my ip?

prisma geyser May 15, 2020, 11:09 AM

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This might help :

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37201250/sending-email-via-gmail-python

Stack Overflow

Sending email via gmail & python

What is the recommended way of sending emails with gmail and python?

There are a lot of SO threads, but most are old and also smtp with username & password is not working any more or the user...

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I don't think changing an ip should be a problem here

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 12:50 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/gjzi01/why_you_should_remove_doom_eternal_denuvo/

r/Doom - Why You Should Remove DOOM Eternal (Denuvo Anti-Cheat) fro...

3,017 votes and 674 comments so far on Reddit

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sigh

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more ring 0 anticheat

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 12:57 PM

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the most hilarious part of it i'm seeing is people going

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"ring 0 anti-cheat? fuck it. i'll pirate it."

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 12:57 PM

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yep.

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 12:57 PM

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that's just fucking weird logic

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 12:57 PM

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i'm not saying i'm gonna pirate it, but i literally cannot play the game on linux anymore

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since i've bought the game legitimately and updates are applied automatically, my game is now bricked.

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my only option, at this point, would be to grab the older drm-free exe from somewhere

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 12:59 PM

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well that's a shitter.

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:00 PM

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I'm not gonna play it either out of privacy concerns

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I'm not entirely sure I can play it under GDPR

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:01 PM

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i still think that's a reach

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:01 PM

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since there are secrets on my machine used to connect to services I use for hosting services for other people

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and GDPR does mandate security of secrets

undone berry May 15, 2020, 1:02 PM

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The game is super easy to pirate because Bethesda accidentally fucked up and shipped a version of the game with all the DRM removed

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so, if I had the game - i'd just be pirating it at this point

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 1:02 PM

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alternatively, get into hacktivisim, use the kernel module to gain privesc to ring 0, spread buzz around the anticheat being vulnerable and "hackable"

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investors will back down, anticheat dies

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:03 PM

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that didn't happen with street fighter v, did it?

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that was very easily "hackable" but I didn't hear about it being removed

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 1:04 PM

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no, it was removed

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https://www.polygon.com/2016/9/23/13033964/street-fighter-5-anti-cheat-update-rollback-pc-capcom

Polygon

Street Fighter 5 gets anti-cheat update on PC, Capcom rolls it back...

Capcom’s latest update angers fighting game fans

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:05 PM

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did Battlefield ever get this for using Punkbuster?

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not a fan of punkbuster mostly due to how ineffective it was at doing its job.

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are evenbalance even still in business? o_O

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 1:08 PM

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my favourite story of punkbuster was the one where if you'd send a specific message on IRC, you'd get a bunch of people banned. because punkbuster looks through all memory for "hack tools" signatures, including the irc message buffer

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https://web.archive.org/web/20160618090959/http://bashandslash.com/index.php?Itemid=78&id=297&option=com_content&task=view

netCoders vs. PunkBuster

Home of the BASH webcast and SLASH the blog, BASHandSlash.com is an FPS gaming website specializing in Activision's Call of Duty game.

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:08 PM

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i remember that

wraith oriole May 15, 2020, 1:08 PM

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wow, punkbuster, have not heard that in a loooong time

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:08 PM

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i think the latest thing it was bundled with was Battlefield 4?

rough sapphire May 15, 2020, 1:09 PM

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i wonder if modern anticheat is also vulnerable to this

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:10 PM

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oh lord

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:12 PM

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That's another reason I have been going to the console side

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I don't have to worry about whether or not it runs

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Because it will

solid pollen May 15, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Unh...

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:12 PM

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(In regards to the Doom Eternal thing)

solid pollen May 15, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Control on console for instance, was unplayable for a long time on console, because of the lack of optimization

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Fair

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Okay, more often than not

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(which implies at least above 50%)

solid pollen May 15, 2020, 1:14 PM

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I mean, it make sense to play on console when you don’t have a fairly recent computer

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But if you do, I don’t think it make sense

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:14 PM

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it makes sense to play on a console if the game doesn't require a keyboard / mouse or specialised controller

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because you can sit on the sofa like a lazy shit

solid pollen May 15, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Cuphead still plays very well on pc, even if it doesn’t use the mouse

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:15 PM

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I don't want to mess with drivers, I don't want to have to constantly see if my system is going to be good enough for the next game that comes out, I don't want to have to worry about other OS compatibility issues or bugs

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And actually, I think you can still plug in a keyboard and mouse into a console and it'll work

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:15 PM

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I have no TV that's comfortable to sit in front of for long periods of time

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That'll work on a PS4 with like three games, yeah

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Wonder if Cities: Skylines is one...

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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oooh

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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It isn't.

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Started playing that again after our talk yesterday, bisk

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Dang

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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yeah, just googled it

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:(

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Well, the controls aren't bad honestly

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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You can use a keyboard, but no mouse

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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For a sim type game like that, it's pretty comfortable

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:16 PM

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yeah, i don't find the console controls to be that bad

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it's just annoying for placing stuff

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Sure

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Mainly roads I've found

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:17 PM

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oh god

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trying to do curved roads

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or trying to upgrade roads

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Although I was proud that I made my own roundabout

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:17 PM

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They did add kb+m to surviving mars

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..on xbox one

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(same company)

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:17 PM

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tbh the moment kb+mouse support comes to consoles i'd probably even play FPS games on console

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i do keyboard on lap already

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I try to do one-way roundabouts for the exit and on ramp for the highway to the city

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:17 PM

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just need a mouse stand

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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they won't do that with console FPS games

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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i know. :(

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i can dream.

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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completely wrecks multiplayer balance

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Yeah, that'd be a "competitive edge" thing

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Exactly

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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it's not even an edge thing, you'd just fucking stomp everyone

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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yup

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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That would be an edge, yes

solid pollen May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Having a mouse is so much easier than sticky things too

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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i remember playing q3 on the dreamcast servers

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fucking hilarious

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just circle strafe them, they couldn't turn fast enough

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:18 PM

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I can't imagine how that worked. It only had the one stick, right?

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM

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just the one, yeah

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM

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yeah, and it was near the dpad

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM

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shooters on the original PSP used the face buttons for turning

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Although I WILL say, the little memory carts with the screens, that was a cool idea

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Having that as a little additional hud

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM

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not sure about dreamcast

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM

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That sounds right, dude

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM

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idk what they used for turning

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Or no wait

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:20 PM

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but they were sloooow.

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Stick for forward and turn, buttons for strafing

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I think

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:20 PM

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you could aim vertically in Q3 though

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Either way it was jacked

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:20 PM

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you'd need a super claw for that

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haha

gentle moss May 15, 2020, 1:20 PM

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i imagine they used something like pgup/dn for vert

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Bad case of 3DS monster hunter claw

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:21 PM

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oh man, I used to play that

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that just was not the right console for that game

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Well

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Okay it kind of was because it benefited from being portable

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But yeah, it needed a second stick

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:21 PM

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yeah

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:21 PM

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And the thumb nub that the New3DS was just....

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Awful

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:21 PM

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the best part was, before the new 3ds

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you could actually get a thing you attached to it

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which had a real second stick

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:22 PM

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And it functioned properly?

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How?

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:22 PM

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so you actually had two actual analog sticks on the original 3ds with the attachment

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some games supported it specifically

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Ah I getcha

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Oh quick thing, I'm super mad

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SUPER mad

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:22 PM

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hi super mad

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:23 PM

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So all the errors I was getting while trying to copy over the database to my local machine? Anti-virus

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The FUCKING anti-virus was blocking it

sand goblet May 15, 2020, 1:23 PM

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oh, goddamn

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isn't that just the thing

plucky ridge May 15, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Every god damn time with Trend

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I swear