you can always fly to south of spain on the weekends
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
solid pollen
My bank account would fly out at the same time :)
undone berry
Does France not have much of a game dev scene?
solid pollen
In the south we don't have any big studios
rough sapphire
they pay shitloads in the UK atm because they have trouble retaining talent
solid pollen
We do have some small studios, but nothing really fancy
solid pollen
Well, at least I'm at 10 minutes of the 2nd biggest French city
rough sapphire
the only friends I have who chose to work in France were French.. I don't understand how people can choose to work when they can expect a strike every couple of weeks
undone berry
Its difficult to even find junior game dev positions
solid pollen
I morally can't
undone berry
Why are you determined to stay in the South of France? Family?
solid pollen
And weather yeah
gusty oar
I morally can't
@solid pollen wdym by morally
solid pollen
and we don't have two strikes a week haha
I mean, I really dislike the pay twice ubisoft policy
You need to pay for the game, then pay for being able to win the game
undone berry
that's pretty much every AAA game publisher jamming that stuff though
solid pollen
I don't necessarily want to work on AAA games
An indie studio would be fine, as long as they're making cool games
Not rubbish mobile games
rough sapphire
@summer knot I was warned and my perms were taken away when i was asking about some code it considered it spam
solid pollen
Well, one of the rubbish mobile studio near me worked on remedy's quantum break, which is one of the 5 best games ever for me
But they have probably just did half of the third of a sequence
gusty oar
i watch some devs on youtube
they go work
after work they making their game
😄
hard schedule
and tight
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Like the bot auto muted you for spam here in the server? It's possible it just gave you a message about formatting
I don't have anything in the system showing a mute or anything like that
rough sapphire
solid pollen
Well, I'm trying to get always more familiar with unreal engine on my free time, and I'll maybe try to sell some assets on the marketplace
rough sapphire
Couldn’t talk in #help-cookie
plucky ridge
Was it dormant at the time?
rough sapphire
Okay
gusty oar
why not unity . why unreal
unreal fees are high
if you sell your own game
unreal will take %5 of your winning
plucky ridge
Unless a channel is in Python Help: Occupied or Python Help: Available then you won't be able to talk in it. And you can only claim one channel at a time from Available. After your channel is closed in Occupied, there's a 15 minute cooldown until you can claim another one
So perhaps that was what was going on?
@gusty oar You might say that the fees are ..... Unreal
solid pollen
And they don't claim money if you publish on the EGS
gusty oar
epic game store ?
solid pollen
Yep
gusty oar
see you 🙂
graceful basin
wow, hard leetcode problems are hard
sand goblet
hm, suddenly getting 401 Unauthorized on my bot login
I suppose this must be something to do with the new urls..
gusty oar
probably discord don't like your bot
sand goblet
That'd be weird considering I'm just running it from localhost here
and the token worked yesterday, although I've also tried a new one
stark prawn
discord seems shaky atm
sand goblet
Seems OK here aside from that
stark prawn
I've seen a couple duplicated messages.
sand goblet
Still nowt, although they said they fixed things on twitter
rough sapphire
Can't have a downtime if they don't report it 🤔
Everyone: "We're experiencing problems"
Discord: "Is it your network?"
sand goblet
haha
Oh, I see
So if I move to an older version of my bot, it's fine
so there's something really weird going on with this library's stuff
undone berry
Having done both Android/Kotlin and Python/Django a lot in the past few days - I have real love/hate feelings towards both static and dynamic typing. What I really want is Python's dynamic typing, but Pycharm to be a super genius and be able to refactor smartly
graceful basin
@undone berry you can get that in languages with inferring type systems. See Haskell, elm, purescript, elixir as well I am pretty sure.
stark prawn
I do like that they added type inferrence to java.
undone berry
Well, those are just static languages still right?
Kotlin has type inference for the most part
graceful basin
Ye, but Haskell type inferrence is much more powerful. You can omit function argument types and it figures them out, you can ask it for a type of a generic expression, which type needs to be in an expression with type holes... Elm even lets you omit schema descriptions when dealing with JSON and such
gusty oar
can i do currency bot in discord
i mean bot should tell for example
4 euro to dollars
gusty oar
hmm how
undone berry
Find some API that gives you conversion rates - use that
sand goblet
Brains, man. Brains are odd.
Owl City never did a cover of Pink Cloud by Pegboard Nerds, but that's what the music in my dream was lol
dapper jasper
hey guys there shouldnt be a problem with running python 3.7 code with python 3.8.2 right?
dapper jasper
Are you running it by double clicking it?
yes
nvm i figured it out
its a problem with different versions
ok now how do i change my project to a newer version of python?
im using 3.7 and i need to change it to 3.8.2
soft violet
Unless you're doing a shebang of a specific python executable and unless you're taking advantage of 3.8.2-specific features...you probably don't need to do anything.
Does it run as expected in the newer?
dapper jasper
yea i thought so but im running my 3.7 project with 3.8.2 and it autocloases
well it runs with 3.7 but not 3.8.2
soft violet
It autowhat, pardon?
dapper jasper
it closes immediately
soft violet
Does it give an exception message?
dapper jasper
not through double clicking it
im trying to run it through the IDE but i dont know how to change the IDE python version
soft violet
Can you open up a terminal/prompt and run it that way?
dapper jasper
ah yes
soft violet
python3.8 script.py sort of thing
soft violet
segfault or python exception?
dapper jasper
i cannot comprehend those words
soft violet
Well, what's the error?
dapper jasper
i entered a wrong file format
soft violet
Okay, but you've got it working, now?
dapper jasper
nope
what the heck
i renamed the file and entered the correct file format but it says pygame.error: Couldn't open wall.png
soft violet
I don't know what the hell you're doing in 3.7 that fizzles out in 3.8.
stark prawn
Do you have the correct path to the file?
dapper jasper
yes
soft violet
Is it a relative or an absolute path?
dapper jasper
its in the same folder
stark prawn
if you type dir does it show up?
stark prawn
absolute paths start at C:\ or another drive letter, relative pats start at the current working directory.
stark prawn
where you are typing python3.8
dapper jasper
pycharm
oh wait no i need to change the version of python pycharm is using to run on first
soft violet
That's one step.
dapper jasper
wait how do i do that now
soft violet
Probably somewhere in pycharm, like a dropdown menu somewhere, maybe?
I don't use it.
soft violet
Are you talking about import, or...?
soft violet
I'm not sure what the best practice is with that and pycharm, if that's what's needed.
Me, I'd find where it was in the system and either link to it or just dump the thing into the project folder.
But that's probably not how you're supposed to do it.
dapper jasper
im gonna open the command prompt and cd into the file then lastly install pygame there
i hope it works
yEs
its finally works
thanks so much guys
vapid bluff
@rough sapphire
how many grains of sand before you have a beach?
this is pointless
i think it's more like, is the beach still a beach despite being able to be used in varying ways. let's say there's a volleyball match on a beach. does that make it a sand volleyball court and no longer a beach? i think the intuitive answer is that it's still classed as a beach, it's just being used in a different way. there's no way to escape the fact of its beachiness.
soft violet
I would say you could technically have a beach without any grains of sand.
You could have a beach of rocks that fit the sloping profile of a sand beach that then meets the water.
You'd still look at it and go "Oh, yeah. That's a beach."
"Fucking uncomfortable beach, but that's a beach."
graceful basin
def digitsum(x):
sum_ = 0
while x:
sum_ += x % 10
x //= 10
return sum_
int digitsum(int x)
{
int sum = 0;
while(x){
sum += x % 10;
x /= 10;
}
return x
}
```that is not applicable here, these 2 snippets both use the same paradigms (be their name whatever), and yet one is in python, and one in Cthe difference is that in python all of the things youre doing involve objects
the code may look similar, that doesnt make the underlying execution similar
graceful basin
so you would say those 2 snippets use different programming paradigms?
vapid bluff
yes, by virtue of being python, the top snippet is object oriented
plucky ridge
I disagree, meta.
vapid bluff
(imo)
plucky ridge
The paradigms themselves are the same
vapid bluff
everything inside that procedure involves objects
graceful basin
what if I write a C interpreter in python
plucky ridge
Sure, at the underlying side
graceful basin
does that make that bottom snippet OO
plucky ridge
But nowhere in that does the fact that those are objects as opposed to primitaves does it mater
vapid bluff
that's such a specious argument
@graceful basin
you can say that you can implement any language and shutdown the discussion that way
graceful basin
well, I claim that paradigms are independent of implementation
vapid bluff
it's like 'if i define + to be - then 1+1 is 0' youre sidestepping the entire discussion
plucky ridge
However a language will lean towards a specific one
And I'd argue that in most cases, it'd be identified as such
But it does come down to the code as written
I think the distinction really needs to be made at the level you're looking at
graceful basin
ye, some paradigms work better in some, and we generally categorize languages by which work well in a given language. That does not make any code written in a language of a certain paradigm
plucky ridge
Because meta is right in that it's all objects, so it could be seen as OOP. But lak is also correct in that it doesn't matter if they're objects or not in that instance
So you're both right, just about different aspects
vapid bluff
here we have a pure, referentially transparent C function
int thing(int x) {
return x+1
}
is this C functional?
plucky ridge
It fits many paradigms
solid pollen
You just wrote functional code, that doesn't make the language functional
plucky ridge
It's hard to articulate what it specifically is when the code is at that small of a level
graceful basin
sure, that function is simple enough that you can have it in any paradigm.
solid pollen
A language can support many paradigms, but isn't one of them
plucky ridge
And it can also be implemented and compiled using one of those paradigms
And it doesn't have to be the same one that the code is written in
solid pollen
That's totally different
rough sapphire
that function... is it functional? hmm
plucky ridge
Right but that's how broad we're hitting with this
rough sapphire
maybe
solid pollen
The compiler is just a piece of code like any other
rough sapphire
I think no
plucky ridge
That's kind of where I'm getting at, we're looking extremely widely at this topic.
rough sapphire
well it is but
plucky ridge
If we want to reach any kind of consensus, we'd need to narrow the focus.
rough sapphire
I think the integer overflow makes it non-functional since that's not well-defined
vapid bluff
so to get this straight: because you can view code written in C as functional, then C can be considered a functional language?
am i getting that right?
that's what you're arguing?
solid pollen
It can support this paradigm, but it isn't this paradigm
graceful basin
well, what I am arguing is that despite C not being good at expressing FP, you can still do it
vapid bluff
i dont think anyone in the history of programming has considered C a functional language.
well, up til now
rough sapphire
well you can write a haskell compiler in C...
plucky ridge
From my understanding, when you hear a language being dictated as one thing or another, it's being called that because that's what it is best at or best known for
That's different
rough sapphire
so clearly that makes it functional...
graceful basin
C is not functional
plucky ridge
All that's doing is taking code and assigning the instructions
graceful basin
you can write functional code in it
plucky ridge
JavaScript as well is a good example of that
vapid bluff
then it can be considered functional
rough sapphire
well you can also write a javascript in it
plucky ridge
Not a functional language, but uses metric fucktons of functional stuff in it
solid pollen
Who cares about style anyway
rough sapphire
C > javascript, confirmed
rough sapphire
but we knew that all along so no big deal
graceful basin
well, if you use those adjectives like that, then every language capable of naming objects is of every paradigm
plucky ridge
Technically yes
But they won't necessarily be good at it
That's my point
Just because you can doesn't mean you should
that mentality
Although I feel like I'm making things more confusing and worse, apologies
topaz aurora
Imperative code can be written in Haskell, but that doesn't make it imperative per se.
plucky ridge
Precisely
dapper jasper
Although I feel like I'm making things more confusing and worse, apologies
dont worry i couldnt understand from the start
stark prawn
You can imitate classes pretty well in javascript for exampe.
plucky ridge
Well especially now
stark prawn
There's even syntactic sugar nowadays to simulate classes.
stark prawn
It's still prototypes.
plucky ridge
I... legit thought it was like a - god damn it
rough sapphire
got bamboozled?
vapid bluff
disagree. as far as im concerned/aware there's no such thing as imperative code in haskell. anything that appears imperative is still functional underneath. implemented functionally and operates functionally too
plucky ridge
I still don't get prototypes
rough sapphire
@plucky ridgethey're just objects that also happen to give "inheritance" properties I think
vapid bluff
likewise, just because some c code lines up with some functional code, does not make the code functional. the meaning behind the code, as decided per the c specs, is still imperative. same goes for whatever other language. think about what the code means behind it all.
a series of steps changing program state
plucky ridge
Like singular objects with no base class?
vapid bluff
which clashes entirely with the functional paradigm
plucky ridge
See in my head that doesn't make sense
graceful basin
I mean, Haskell also gets compiled
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge changing the prototype object changes all the other objects derived from it, right?
so there's this "hivemind"
unless I'm remembering completely wrong
plucky ridge
Well great, now I'm just imagining bees crawling all over JS code
rough sapphire
🍻
stark prawn
I don't think changing the prototype changes all current instances.
But then agian I'm not 100% up to date on prototype based OOP
topaz aurora
which clashes entirely with the functional paradigm
FP is all about writing expressions used model a specific problem, but that doesn't mean the runtime must be strictly functional as well.
rough sapphire
well at least all the new objects created from the prototype should have the new prototype abilities?
vapid bluff
it goes beyond the runtime. the entire workings of c rely on a series of steps changing program state. you would have to rewrite the specs of the language to make it otherwise.
independent of the runtime.
rough sapphire
topaz aurora
I don't think that paradigms go beyond runtime, given that code eventually just devolves into a series of steps that the computer should perform.
vapid bluff
of course haskell by necessity runs imperatively underneath. but the language itself, on top of that, has to be reasoned about in a different way (minus the imperative sugars).
vapid bluff
if we're talking about languages in the abstract sense, purely in terms of being a language, then the runtime is a separate concern.
yes
@rough sapphire
well
rough sapphire
so what difference does it make between the languages on how the code gets compiled... because the operating system executes it within the full capabilities of what the language can actually produce?
vapid bluff
depends on who you ask maybe
i know there are some purists who might not consider haskell turing complete if you take out io capabilities
the difference is an academic one
rough sapphire
that sounds like ... non-sense
vapid bluff
in reality of course if you boil things down to that level it doesnt matter
rough sapphire
the fact of the matter is that it kinda does matter
because that means that you can write a C compiler in haskell and you can write a haskell compiler in C
vapid bluff
that by itself doesnt mean we should consider C a functional language or Haskell a procedural language. this is sidestepping the discussion. you might as well not have any paradigms at all.
rough sapphire
but then you might as well have paradigms
since we can establish that the languages themselves don't have at the end of the day big differences
vapid bluff
on the level you're talking about, yes. but we're discussing the abstract differences. or at least i am. maybe we're talking across each other?
rough sapphire
the only thing I wanted to bring to this discussion was that the concepts of "functional", "imperative", "procedural" etc. terms are useful notions
and don't need to be analyzed to death
vapid bluff
dont let programming language theorists hear you say that
graceful basin
Saying a language is functional means it is good at expressing functional programming
rough sapphire
i think the technical definition for functional programming paradigm is that there is literally no state whatsoever. I'm not sure if it's the definition or the consequence.
topaz aurora
I mean, there is a way to represent state, but its more of an abstraction of a certain pattern
rough sapphire
can you give an example
topaz aurora
Let's say we're parsing something from a String, and typically in FP, that would mean writing a function that takes a String, and returns a tuple of the "result" of the parse, and the remaining parts of the string
In Haskell, that can expressed as parseSomething :: String -> (Result, String)
plucky ridge
I just realized that I might understand Haskell more now that I've gotten into and understood Elm
Neat
topaz aurora
But the problem arises from what if you wanted to parse the remaining parts of the string, that would mean unwrapping the tuple result as well
plucky ridge
It'd be pattern matching at that point, right?
topaz aurora
Yup
Something like
-- city: 'Manila' | rest: ': 35C'
(city, rest) = parseCity "Manila: 35C"
-- temp: '35C' | _: unused
(temp, _) = parseTemp rest
It's cumbersome, but it works
plucky ridge
It's efficient at least
topaz aurora
Explicitly passing the 'state' can be abstracted away though
That's dipping into the territory of monads though, but I'll try my best to make a concise generalization 😅
The strategy would then be to make some 'container' for the functions that follow the s -> (r, s) pattern
and to define an operation on those containers, that combines the notion of passing around s for you
vapid bluff
the way i had monads explained to me at the start was, theyre like conveyor belts for automatically passing state info from one 'step' to the next.
topaz aurora
Yeah, that's true for most monads
plucky ridge
Ohhhh right, now I remember what drove me away from Haskell and some of the others... the fact that there were some rather complex mathy sort of explanations I had to try and understand
Although it might have just been the one paper I read
topaz aurora
Category theory is used quite a lot
Honestly though, you could keep the theory right at the back of your mind and still be able to utilize monads and such in a practical sense.
rough sapphire
category theory is probably one of the best things you can do with your pants on
abstraction beyond abstraction. math at its finest.
plucky ridge
I'm used to the general s -> (r, s) patterns from Elm and Rust, thankfully, so that at least in general makes sense to me
And I think the issue was that the paper I read was heavy in the math jargon, so I got lost nearly instantly
wheat lynx
I've started learning rust as of yesterday and i'm loving it. The speed is amazing, I can brute force find the millionth prime number in about 10 seconds!
plucky ridge
And honestly the syntax just feels very clean
There doesn't feel like there's tons of bothersome boilerplate you have to contend with
Boilerplate is probably one of my biggest turnoffs when it comes to languages
rough sapphire
@wheat lynx is it faster than C++
graceful basin
Probably the same
wheat lynx
Apparently it can be sort of faster, but probably mostly the same yeah
graceful basin
Maybe faster as the type system gives more information about data flow, but C++ just gets that info by declaring things UB to an extent
wheat lynx
As I say I only started learning it yesterday so i'm not an expert, but I did read some article saying it could be faster under certain circumstances
low shadow
Is rust new language
graceful basin
It is quite new
low shadow
Oh
wheat lynx
Especially compared to something like C, yes
low shadow
Does it have buffer overflow vulnerability(s)
graceful basin
Pretty sure no
wheat lynx
Why am I not surprised that that is your first question
graceful basin
It is supposed to be memory safe
low shadow
Hmm
Even java doesn't have buffer overflow vulnerability
It would be so better if more language have these vulnerability
rough sapphire
@low shadow you might be the one who will get me banned from this discord...
low shadow
Why
rough sapphire
because i will lose my temper
low shadow
Ok
rough sapphire
and then tell you things that will be seriously uncalled for
low shadow
Ok
graceful basin
Honestly, buffer overflows generally do not happen nowadays, most things that could are handled through libraries that do not
rough sapphire
@low shadow now do something useful and try to figure out a way to catch them before they happen
or minimize their effect
low shadow
Catch what?
rough sapphire
those errors
low shadow
Where is error
rough sapphire
the buffer overflow by definition is an error
low shadow
Oh
rough sapphire
that's something else but it exists yes
rough sapphire
it has to do with buffers
low shadow
No idea
low shadow
I assume it has something to do with some type of connection when less data is sent
rough sapphire
it was common when burning cd rom drives were new
but the principle sounds the same yes
one sec.
rough sapphire
do you program in python
rough sapphire
is that true
low shadow
What ? What's true
If u mean python programming yes that's true
I program sometimes
rough sapphire
no
i mean
python doesn't have memory vulnerabilities?
that you cannot work with memory?
rough sapphire
maybe not as such
low shadow
Maybe cypthon gets to manage memory
plucky ridge
Why are you trying to look into memory exploits?
low shadow
Just learnt memory exploitation, still not pro but beginning, and liked it
Why are you trying to look into memory exploits?
@plucky ridge I liked it.
plucky ridge
Just like everything else that's exploity or hacky or what not, it's not a topic for discussion here
low shadow
Ok
plucky ridge
Unless it's in broad abstracts or what have you
But I'd personally rather we don't glorify that kind of stuff
plucky ridge
I'm not trying to be a dick about it
rough sapphire
@low shadow if you want to know my opinion, what you're doing is rather childish.
low shadow
Ok
rough sapphire
trying to exploit things
low shadow
Is there something professional (ish) that I can do besides exploitation. I need to pass time and still learn(related to computer)
plucky ridge
You could help out on various repos on GitHub
low shadow
You could help out on various repos on GitHub
@plucky ridge that's like doing household chores, very boring
soft violet
Funny choice of company you keep in us, then.
plucky ridge
Sure. Understanding the hows and the whys of memory exploitation is a fair enough topic. It's still an interesting and worth while thing to learn. But it's when it goes into "lol imma gonna hack u" or bragging about exploiting shit, that's where it starts to irritate.
low shadow
👍
plucky ridge
It's the script kiddie mentality
Which for the longest time I thought it was "script kitties"
Was sad when I found out it wasn't
rough sapphire
🐈
soft violet
Nyaw
low shadow
soft violet
Script kitties...so Dejavu Cat from The Matrix? 😏
low shadow
Never watched the matrix
soft violet
!
plucky ridge
THAT always irritated me about The Matrix. What happened in that scene isn't deja vu
Like
At all
plucky ridge
No idea
plucky ridge
I kind of wish you could hit the up arrow a couple times to go up a few messages
soft violet
I don't know if it should exist, but I like it and get use out of it.
plucky ridge
Not just the last sent
plucky ridge
It's known about, I'm not sure if famous is the right word, though
low shadow
Oh
plucky ridge
And I'm probably not the target age group
sand goblet
They're far more well known than just tiktok
low shadow
Ok
plucky ridge
Who are they?
low shadow
They are the coffin guys from ghana
sand goblet
They actually did a video recently
low shadow
They carry coffin in such a fantastic way
sand goblet
"Stay at home, or you'll be dancing with us"
low shadow
Yes
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge c'mon even i know that
rough sapphire
@low shadow do you want to learn machine learning?
low shadow
What's machine learning is it part of data scientist
rough sapphire
yes
low shadow
No I don't like data scientist and machine learning
plucky ridge
In fairness I don't really pay attention to pop culture stuff
rough sapphire
@low shadow have you tried
rough sapphire
but seriously do you know what ML is
plucky ridge
its suited for me
Bullshit
soft violet
CTFs?
rough sapphire
@low shadow I'm asking you; do you know what machine learning is
low shadow
No
plucky ridge
Bull. Shit. You're unwilling to learn the basics or learn/do regular code. You're not going to be amazing being in the "hacking jobs"
Also no one in their right mind who is doing a CTF is going to have Kali as their daily distro
@soft violet Capture the Flag
rough sapphire
what's wrong with kali? somebody fill me in
low shadow
How did Kali come in this talk
plucky ridge
Because it's the typical hacker tool thing.
sand goblet
Kali is what all the people that don't know what they're doing think is cool
plucky ridge
It's a status symbol among those who don't properly understand it
low shadow
I think it's cool but I can do CTFs with Ubuntu too
plucky ridge
I mention Kali since it goes hand in hand with the CTF topic
Sure, no doubt about that
You could do it in Unix if you wanted
solid pollen
Still about kali?
plucky ridge
It's also a giant target on your back
sand goblet
Are you faster than rm -rf yet?
rough sapphire
"it takes a village to raise a child" -- or a whole discord server?
soft violet
Wait, so people play capture the flag with data exfiltration?
low shadow
Are you faster than rm -rf yet?
@sand goblet no found out I can't be fast
plucky ridge
Very much so, Opal
soft violet
Hm.
low shadow
RM is fast
rough sapphire
@low shadow have you heard of this guy named Donald Trump?
low shadow
Yes
rough sapphire
you remind me a bit of him
plucky ridge
Businesses will do it in proper settings to test out security systems or other techniques. Script kiddies will do it because "its cool lawl"
rough sapphire
just a tiny bit
plucky ridge
The hair?
low shadow
Ooooh > just a tiny bit
@rough sapphire
Looks like I need to change my profile
To d. Trumph
rough sapphire
that will go down well
plucky ridge
Hi, I'm Todd Trumph
low shadow
Done
plucky ridge
Sorry for ranting, it's just the whole "hacker community" thing just eats at my nerves. Why is it considered cool to be a douche and break laws? That's what I don't get. Why do we idolize that?
low shadow
Hacker community is ok.
rough sapphire
i don't even know what the "hacker community" is
I know that the people who wrote cracks for copy protection systems were mostly doing it for honor\points with their peers
low shadow
I loved cracked apps
plucky ridge
Or to prove a point or because they don't want to pay or this reason or that reason
I'm too much of a friggin' paladin
rough sapphire
i think the biggest reason was just for the honor
they wanted to show their skillz
I heard that explanation too many times
plucky ridge
And also to implant malware into those crackers or cracked programs and exploit other systems
Seen that multiple times
sand goblet
It was relatively common
plucky ridge
I remember it being on a Diablo 2 keygen
sand goblet
Probably still is tbh
It's a very easy attack vector
You're promising someone something for free
low shadow
For hemlock
sand goblet
There's always someone desperate enough
Oh hey, it's a YouTube video from a medium size channel I've never heard of
With a clickbait title
plucky ridge
I genuinely couldn't care less
low shadow
Now it's ok
plucky ridge
I'm not going to give a random hacking youtube channel a platform here
pine vector
i'll say this. dude has really clean breadboard jumpers...
low shadow
What's breadboard jumper
plucky ridge
The point isn't whether or not Kali is the operating system of choice for hacky stuff, because it is. The point is that people who use it properly don't install it to their hard drive or use it as their daily system. That's the point I'm making
low shadow
I don't use Kali as daily os. I use window
plucky ridge
👍
low shadow
I have dual boot laptop
rough sapphire
@low shadow private message?
low shadow
Ok as u wish
plucky ridge
Purple Monkeys
wheat lynx
Post meridiem?
plucky ridge
Is monkey one of the few words that keeps the y when it's plural?
That always felt weird to me
rough sapphire
what
low shadow
I cant pm you
rough sapphire
i know you can't
low shadow
Why is your name unbulanga
rough sapphire
because people send messages to me all the time
low shadow
Ok
rough sapphire
and I got annoyed with that
rough sapphire
I had to swat people away like flies
rough sapphire
yes
rough sapphire
i am on a bunch of different discords and I don't want all of them to know what I was "worldwake" because I use different handles there
rough sapphire
it's nothing weird but i just don't want the connection because i'm worldwake on twitch etc
yes, it's my real name
rough sapphire
my father was called "bingolobangolo"
low shadow
By seeing the name, though I shouldn't laugh but still something comes from inside seeing those names
I cant control it
rough sapphire
I think so too
low shadow
No it's not love I think. Its humor
rough sapphire
you find my ancestral names funny???
low shadow
Yes
sand goblet
If you want your boomerang to come back, well first you've got to throw it..
low shadow
MTG?
plucky ridge
Magic the Gathering
low shadow
What's mtg
sand goblet
Kagic the Gathering
plucky ridge
This has been the most tedious day at work in a while. Clearing out some deleted items out of our database, and I have to do them in small batches at a time, like 5 or 6 files at a time, because it takes multiple minutes for it to remove them
If I try to do a lot more than that, it can and will take hours
Can't scan any documents in the mean time, can't do much else.
Irksome
rough sapphire
wah. man wants to do something fun
gusty oar
lost knoll
wheat lynx
How can you accidentally murder someone?
If it was an accident, surely it would be manslaughter.
wheat lynx
Was that meant to be a joke, because if it was it wasn't very funny and if it wasn't then I think you would struggle to do that, and you should get some help
low shadow
I would murder more
@low shadow was meant to be a joke, seriously you thought I would do like that. Well who knows.
Maybe I will kill. Maybe not. No one seen the future
wheat lynx
I didn't think you would do that, I was just confused at how it could be meant to be a joke if it is so unfunny
urban night
any fullstack proejcts
rough sapphire
Speaking of jokes, someone told me today: "Your mom is Turing complete."
gusty oar
hilarious
soft violet
Is she?
thorn snow
No finite system can be turing complete
low shadow
if two different domain point to same ip does that mean both domain are vhost,
sand goblet
Vhosts are an Apache httpd concept
Absolutely nothing to do with domain configuration
sand goblet
No
low shadow
in some video they added pointing to same ip and got 2 diff website
sand goblet
The hosts file is for bypassing local DNS resolution using fixed addresses that don't have to match the public DNS records
low shadow
on same ip
sand goblet
Yeah, because the domain is part of the http request
You should probably be using nginx instead of Apache, it's far easier
low shadow
hmm
You should probably be using nginx instead of Apache, it's far easier
@sand goblet i use php -S 0.0.0.0:4444
sand goblet
That's not your httpd
sand goblet
And you should never serve a PHP app using the standard PHP daemon either
left jacinth
yaaay
I just finished my project
and everythink works perfectly
so satisfying
sand goblet
Well an httpd is a daemon designed to respond to http requests
Nginx or Apache for example
You're supposed to use one as a reverse proxy in between the internet and your application
low shadow
why isnt php server a httpd if it respond to http request
sand goblet
Because it can only serve one at a time
low shadow
ok
sand goblet
The standard way to do this is to configure nginx with php-fpm, and probably certbot for SSL
Digital Ocean probably has a guide for it
low shadow
I m not doing httpd things , i just wanted to get idea on vhost
sand goblet
You need an httpd to serve two websites on the same port
low shadow
vhost serve on same ip or same port
sand goblet
Well if it's the same port then it's also the same address
low shadow
👍
sand goblet
That's port 80 for http and 443 for https
solid pollen
Aaanndd Linux decided it will half boot the graphical interface
Oh wait
It just miraculously launched, 5 minutes after
gusty oar
what if they give 10 million euros , would you eat bat soup
solid pollen
With 10M I can test if there's anything in the soup before hehe
gusty oar
but wouldn't you be disgusted
topaz aurora
I can't even imagine what the texture would be
solid pollen
I mean, that's is a bit disgusting, but that's still food
topaz aurora
Chicken feet is about the weirdest food that I'll eat in my life
The more I think about it, the more Asian dishes sound weird
gusty oar
hmm i like some asian foods but
not generally for me
i mean i more into spicy foods 😄
i wanna try hindu foods
topaz aurora
I kinda regret trying out spring rolls with like, full green chilis inside
thorn snow
Don't worry, you'll regret it a second time
low shadow
The more I think about it, the more Asian dishes sound weird
@topaz aurora its awesome
I kinda regret trying out spring rolls with like, full green chilis inside
@topaz aurora I just love chilliee/pepper
sand goblet
I've never had a spring roll but I've had plenty of other Asian foods
Cooked a lot too, it's popular in my house
rough sapphire
My dad is giving me a choice between a MacBook or a SurfacePro which one would be the better choice for programming?
sand goblet
The more powerful one.
But note that you'd have a hard time running Linux on a Surface Pro if you decided you needed it
undone berry
Honestly, I'd imagine if your only goal is programming - the Macbook would be better. Linux on a Surface is very difficult, and it's much nicer programming on something linuxy like MacOS than Windows
The OS is pretty nice to use - and for programming, specs aren't too important
rough sapphire
I’m not really focused on Linux
And I already use a windows os
But I here so much different opinions XD
undone berry
If you're used to Windows and don't want to switch - then there's no reason to go for Mac
it's difficult to give advice without all the info upfront
rough sapphire
True
sand goblet
You can install windows on a Mac though
You can't do the reverse very easily
Bootcamp makes that pretty easy
charred socket
Love Asian food though it depends on the cuisine
You won't really find spicy dishes in Japanese cuisine
Korean food (my favorite) tends to be pretty spicy
And Chinese is a mix of tastes
Filipino has a mix of Chinese, Spanish and other types of dishes
rough sapphire
I’m probably gonna wait for the Surface Pro 8 to come out because MacBooks don’t really continue and I’ll choose from there
charred socket
etc, etc. Can't really make a general statement lol
undone berry
because MacBooks don’t really continue
?
sand goblet
Usually when someone says Asian here, they mean Chinese, Japanese or Korean
But it's mostly Chinese
Chinese restaurants everywhere here
charred socket
Then why not say Chinese lol, but I'm not getting into that argument lol
sand goblet
Actually there's a fantastic Thai place in my town
undone berry
I don't think I've ever seen any Japanese restaurants here except for Sushi (Here=UK)
sand goblet
I should order from them..
charred socket
Love pad thai
rough sapphire
Japanese food is also know for its java hi as well
wheat lynx
I'm surprised you've never had spring rolls g
sand goblet
I just never thought they sounded that good @wheat lynx
charred socket
I've only really tried that once
The performance aspect is pretty cool
Like the onion volcano thing
sand goblet
There's a chain of Japanese restaurants in the UK called Wagamama that's great
Only been there once but want to again
rough sapphire
Hmm never heard of that one
wheat lynx
Yes, wagamama is great
rough sapphire
But I live in the US tho
sand goblet
A lot of UK chains like Wagamama and TGI Fridays don't exist anywhere here except for Dublin
wheat lynx
I can't use chopsticks so I struggle to eat there, but the food is nice
charred socket
You're in the UK, gdude?
charred socket
Oh wow, that's cool
rough sapphire
Man I want to go to England again so badly
undone berry
Why?
rough sapphire
Not now XD
sand goblet
England be like https://twitter.com/PhilNobileJr/status/1257695505641062400
undone berry
Excluding Covid, I imagine the UK's implosion wouldn't have much of an effect on US tourism
rough sapphire
I’m the most English American XD
Bruh I would play football everyday when my family and I went there 😂😂
charred socket
Wish I kinda got into sports when I was younger, it seems like its something you gotta be brought up with, in order to have an interest in it later on in life
rough sapphire
It’s not really like that
I played football when I was younger but never really followed it until I was in tru grade
4th*
undone berry
(that's pretty young)
charred socket
Ah really
What's your favorite team? I only know about uhh
Manchester, Liverpool
Real Madrid
and I guess Argentina lol
rough sapphire
Chelsea
@undone berry but I’m in 8th grade rn
@charred socket it’s not a bad start, most people only know Barcelona or Real Madrid only XD
Speaking of football imma play FIFA rn
America in general is a pretty English place. Most of values touted as American values, particularly from the early colonial era, are all actually English ideas. Sure there's been a fair amount of room to grow in different directions but...overall...
That's sort of what it is.
That might be an unfair reduction based on the original founding idea coming from what were English people, but nevertheless, if you look at our countries side by side, the differences are negligible compared to how much we have in common.
rough sapphire
Lame. I was hoping that would give us a break from social distancing during Summers until they get a vaccine
gusty oar
By contrast, school closures and other public health measures had been an effective curb on coronavirus,
this part is important i guess
trump etc. should stop misleading people about it
imo
glacial halo
I work for the school district and personally I wanna go back to work, virus or not. I miss my lil' homies!
solid pollen
I wonder how hard it would be to integrate apt with manjaro 
thorn snow
you probably end up breaking the system
solid pollen
Most probably haha
thorn snow
you would need to make it have it's own eco system, as in, ignore the system around it and only manage the portion it is supposed to handle
but at that point you can probably write your own package manager
low shadow
which package manager should be installed to linux system having no package manager
rough sapphire
depends entirely on the system
low shadow
letme give a name
uname -a = Linux protostar 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 04:15:24 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
and why is your profile blue over brown
rough sapphire
why do you want to install a package manager for protostar...
rough sapphire
it is with some black magic fuckery but not really worth it
low shadow
ok
low shadow
isnt cat and cat - the same command
is there some difference
between them
both takes stdin and gives stdout which is same as stdin
gentle moss
yes
low shadow
oh
gentle moss
- specifies that there's no file
and because you can cat multiple things in a single command
you could cat file1 - file2
bisk@gentle mosstop:~$ cat lol.txt - lol.txt
lolol
this is stdin
this is stdin
lolol
rough sapphire
after the clappening
tulip palm
my brother showed me this and at a glance it seems quite good for learning general programming/computery stuff. i know oreilly does some good stuff too so it's probably a good deal if anybody's interested. ^^ https://www.humblebundle.com/books/definitive-guides-to-all-things-programming-oreilly-books
rough sapphire
it's a pretty random mishmash of stuff
but it seems to be geared towards some kind of backend data engineer or person who wants to work with both frontend and backend
tulip palm
sure
i personally think it could be interesting to somebody who doesn't yet work in these fields and wants to see what topics interest them by using these books :D
undone berry
Spark/Hadoop/JS/CSS is a really weird mix - Spark/Hadoop are pretty useless without some more general knowledge of the field, and JS/CSS are pretty basic
Such a weird mix of Java ecosystem stuff - then random nonsense
Anyone who wants to do front end or full stack web development
People who want an easy to pick up jack of all trades hobbyist language
yeah
I don't think I've really known anyone who found it especially difficult
I picked it up fairly quickly when I tried to learn it
Python
jovial blaze
js isn't difficult
it's just disgusting to work with
lol
the syntax, anyway
I'd use c++ or python over js
jovial blaze
well i'd argue most languages have similar syntax
js particularly has some uh
special elements
undone berry
Like what?
rough sapphire
i think my favorite thing i discovered in javascript was that you can't call a function inside a dictionary[key]
or something like that
undone berry
JS doesn't really have dicts in the same way python does
rough sapphire
well it does have JSON objects
undone berry
Anonymous functions are in a lot of languages - that's just you donig it poorly
jovial blaze
but I'm not sure why they wouldn't have kept it similar
i know they exist but the implementation just feels ick
and if you don't mind
bc no i'm not super experienced with js
show me a better way to implement them
undone berry
global.CreateCooldownName = () => {
//code here
}```that's still pretty icky
undone berry
Not really - don't use anonymous functions if you don't like that
graceful basin
I like the modern JS syntax
undone berry
Yeah, I really like idiomatic JS
undone berry
Honestly, I find it no worse in JS than in Python
graceful basin
Python generally errors eagerly
undone berry
uh - slightly no
graceful basin
if you have something like a.b + c.d and get undefined there, you do not know where undefined came from
rough sapphire
so slightly yes?
graceful basin
java has a similar problem
undone berry
if you don't have premium anymore, I can give you my login
rough sapphire
I think i do
undone berry
Well - just no really
rough sapphire
i'll think about it tomorrow
i've just been banging on this kaggle competition for like this whole week now so i haven't felt like
writing that code
what kaggle competition
walmart stuff
rough sapphire
is it a live public one
yes
do you have a team.. do you want help?
at this point no
just messing around
trying to learn as much as i can
rough sapphire
I'm kind of disturbed by someones really mean comment to a newb in another community.
The guy asks for a book about algos and this is what someone responds with
Honestly, how do you expect to understand how to program if you don't know what an algorithm is? It's simply the logic behind a solution. Like doing long division when you were in the fifth grade. Or do they not teach that anymore?
It kind of makes me want to throw up that that could be anyones response to someone asking for a book.
civic mantle
that's like saying "how do you expect to learn a language if you don't know what grammar is"
kinda doesn't make sense since we all started there
rough sapphire
Yeah. Its not a discord. Its a facebook group, which is why its so awful. I should delete all these groups. TBH, I understand why the people in here are frustrated with the communities. They are poorly moderated.
civic mantle
i'd just roast the dude for only learning long division in 5th grade because that's the kind of person i am
rough sapphire
But jesus, it doesnt call for being mean like that
lol facebook
yeah, its shameful to admit, but I get drawn back on to it no less than six months after I close it. I use it for a few weeks, catch up with someone Inteded to find and talk to, and then try to close it again. In no more than six months I'm back on there again. I'm one of the people this site has manipulated into not being able to get away from it despite trying to.
As soon as something feels missing in my social life, I'll be back on there, no matter how well Ive been doing without it up until that point.
Ive considered dumping offensive material until they ban me to be honest, because then it woulndt be a matter of my willpower anymore.
I couldn't get back on there if I wanted to
they disable every account I make and ask for an ID to "appeal", which.. they can fuck off with
blissful moth
wait why not leave the groups
rough sapphire
Right. Actually, the funny thing about that... Is I once tried to change my name to my real name.
And they told me, "We dont think is is your real name, can you show us an ID?"
And I was like, "Uhh, nervermind, I guess Ill keep the fake name."
"holiday fartcruise" it is, then
But yeah, I used it for many years until I developed the opinion that I hate it.
But there are connections to people on here that draw me back. The lull of someone new to talk to in my real life.
civic mantle
fomo
rough sapphire
Its an addiction. They control a piece of me that feels empty socially on occasion.
Its not everyday, I can close it and go months happy to not be using it,.
But the day that comes where something is empty in my life, I will be back on there.
sand goblet
I have two accounts
rough sapphire
Its sickening to admit being the sort of person I am who hates them so much.
sand goblet
My personal one that I hardly use
civic mantle
pretty sure that's fomo
sand goblet
And the one I use at work because I didn't trust their laptop
It's called Celia Weiss and exists to manage the page for the place I work
Haha
rough sapphire
I dont call it fomo. Fomo to be represents, the feeling of missing out of on something that is going on and needing to stay in the loop.
For me its just a feeling of loneliness that occasionally arises.
And yeah, I have at least three accounts. Several of them are for document tracing and just adding people to get more information about other people. Not that I use it for anything nefarious, its just a viable OSINT resource.
The other is my real one. I am selective about where and how I login to it and all that.
But I still feel ashamed that I use it at all ever.
civic mantle
i only have an account for stalking seeing information about people
civic mantle
lol
sand goblet
It's amusing because it is handy for info gathering
A lot of people I know post what they're up to there
But I do not
Tbh discord is a much better place to go to see what I've been up to
For example I made french onion chicken today
:>
rough sapphire
Same. I use it for messaging people. Havent posted a pic in forever. I never scroll the walls because i become disugsted with meme culture.
But I will be like, "I wonder what they are up to"
sand goblet
Yeah
rough sapphire
Im hungry af
granite plover
after i discovered that it could be bad
sand thicket
here
sand thicket
then it's alright man
sand thicket
why?
granite plover
the minimal wage in brazil is around 200 USD
i was earning 700 to 1000 USD montly
sand thicket
that was a better source of income, why did you come to web development?
if you don't mind me asking
granite plover
well, was not legal
sand thicket
right
granite plover
and i ever wanted to learn programming
and i'm really hyped about A.I
want to be around it when something big happens, you know
sand thicket
I don't like AI or big data stuff at all, it's just not my cup of tea, but if you were looking for career advice, there is a group here to ask that sort of advice.
some people are most experienced than me there
granite plover
i mean, i want to work with everything that pays me well