Hater.
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
soft violet
undone berry
I imagine skating and unicycling have pretty similar core requirements
i.e good balance
gentle moss
yeah
i managed to go about 10ft on it at best
OH SHIT IT'S WEDNESDAY
bojo's first PMQ's against the new labour dude
i love the fact PMQ's is now watchable since none of the fucking MP's are there.
rough sapphire
any more news about this charlie brooker thing?
gentle moss
not heard anything extra, i imagine it's in the works.
rough sapphire
pff
undone berry
random thing I just remembered. Some survey showed that 75% of people disliked juggling, and that 30% of people could juggle. So at least 5% of jugglers disliked juggling
soft violet
People disliking juggling...themselves doing it, or other people or what?
There's not liking something and disliking something. Was that distinction accounted for?
rough sapphire
maybe they can't dislike something until they've tried it, to know for sure
soft violet
Who the hell looks at someone juggling and goes "Oh, buddy, fuck you and the horse you rode in on!"
undone berry
I'm guessing it was more like "Do you like or dislike juggling", those kinda surveys are normally pretty open ended
I also heard about this through a comedy, I trust that it's a real survey, but it probably wasn't exactly perfectly run
gentle moss
it's a common joke
the only thing worse than a magician is a juggler type thing
lowest rungs on the "showbiz" ladder
plucky ridge
Let's not forget that tumbling used to be a form of entertainment
"Oh yep, that dude's doing another somersault"
rough sapphire
while i agree that it went downhill after they banned porn, i don't think i'd go as far as to say it's not entertaining anymore
gentle moss
hahaha
i mean, they're crazy skilled gymnasts
i'm not sure jugglers rank above them
plucky ridge
I think the word "tumbling" just doesn't invoke lots of skill
Although now that I think about D&D 3.X.....
plucky ridge
"Hello, 999? I've had a bit of a tumble."
gentle moss
"Hello, 0118 999 881 999 119 725.... 3. I've had a bit of a tumble."
that jingle is burned into my brain now.
gentle moss
i'm pleased they stopped when they did, it was for the best.
it could only go downhill
plucky ridge
True
I'm also glad that the US pilot flopped
It just...
Was NOT going to work
They had Moss but he felt way out of place there
gentle moss
they did a US pilot?!
gentle moss
oh jesus christ
plucky ridge
I mean it worked for the Office (from what I've heard)
gentle moss
i'm going to have to look this up.
plucky ridge
But yeah, not here
gentle moss
it only worked for the Office because they entirely flipped the character / comedy dynamic to work in a US market
plucky ridge
Yeah they only kind of did it in the IT US pilot
gentle moss
UK office doesn't really float in the US
plucky ridge
Where as the UK IT works everywhere
So it'd be hard to adapt something that doesn't need it
gentle moss
and you can't exactly do that, imo, about some down trodden IT techs
since that's not... i don't think there's "positive" comedy to get out of it
plucky ridge
Not usually no
Ah crap, now I have the song from the musical they went to in my head
(which I will not repeat here)
gentle moss
lots of bill love eh?
plucky ridge
HA
Yes
I felt like that episode was a bit tone deaf
No musical joke intended
Mainly regarding Roy's constant adverse reactions to the whole thing
I mean yeah I get it but like
I don't know. There isn't really a good way to try and break people's build in prejudices and discomforts
But I felt like it kind of reinforced some of them
Probably overthinking it
plucky ridge
Sometimes it's the simple things in life
rough sapphire
isn't that an instrument?
the shaky ones on sticks that go ssh ssh ssh
ah no i think i'm thinking of maracas
plucky ridge
Did
gentle moss
the guy who first made / popularised it didn't bother to patent it or anything so there are loads of knock-offs
gentle moss
but despite that they're still the biggest seller of it
plucky ridge
Thought I was going to have to fork a copy to see the sauce code
gentle moss
haha
i've missed my favourite fries sauce
half sriracha, half mayo and like a quarter an other hot sauce
rough sapphire
is sriracha the one with the cock on the bottle
gentle moss
yes
plucky ridge
I'm just not a huge fan of hot sauces, honestly
gentle moss
it's a good general usage one
plucky ridge
A lot of them are too vinegary
gentle moss
i prefer it to ketchup
gentle moss
yeah
plucky ridge
True but I don't know
gentle moss
ones closer to pepper mash
rough sapphire
but they generally stay good for a much shorter period of time
plucky ridge
For me hot stuff is more for when I'm in a dare food mood
Or if I want hot, I usually go for ground pepper rather than like capsaicin stuff
gentle moss
white people heat
plucky ridge
Also not a huge fan of the taste of peppers in general
gentle moss
<_<
undone berry
There's something very appealing about unnecessarily hot food
rough sapphire
bell peppers are the only food i hate with a passion
rough sapphire
i fucking love cottage cheese
plucky ridge
Okay
rough sapphire
it's great
plucky ridge
If you poured that from a milk jug, you would throw it out
It LOOKS like it's something that went bad
Bleh
I can like.... think smell it right now
Ick
rough sapphire
i usually mix cottage cheese with some diced up surimi sticks and cherry tomatoes + smetana into a salad
so good
gentle moss
rough sapphire
one of these things is not like the other
gentle moss
my hot sauce collection is lacking some artisanal ones atm
wheat lynx
Find the odd one out
gentle moss
hahaha
undone berry
do you like Paprika @rough sapphire ?
gentle moss
that's vodka with like 5 reapers and 5 bhut jolokia in it
rough sapphire
you mean the spice?
undone berry
yeah
rough sapphire
"paprika" is literally what we call bell peppers in estonian, funnily enough
plucky ridge
It's the only one that's not a liquid
rough sapphire
as for the spice, it's.. ok
wheat lynx
Yep, the toaster, you got it
rough sapphire
edible
plucky ridge
Yussss
undone berry
That's because the spice is just ground up bell peppers
interesting that you call them the same thing
plucky ridge
Why am I imagining you doing lines of paprika....
rough sapphire
nah
gentle moss
duh.
undone berry
I fucking love bell peppers, but am pretty close to disliking paprika
pine vector
Thank you Hungary, for paprika. ๐
rough sapphire
didn't realise it was hungarian
plucky ridge
I think the only time I use it is for deviled eggs
rough sapphire
interesting
gentle moss
for some reason i thought it was probably indian
undone berry
Goulash is fucking awesome
gentle moss
but most british use of spices does stem from india
pine vector
well, Hungarian paprika is the "standard" by which others are judged. in my experience at least
plucky ridge
Goulash always makes me think of scary things
Likely because of The Kingdom of Loathing
Where it was "ghoulash"
pine vector
if you had to chose, what's the one spice you'd pick if all others had to be disappeared?
gentle moss
ooooooooooooooooooooooooh
pine vector
mine: cumin
sand goblet
that'd have to be chilli
gentle moss
chilli powder?
rough sapphire
is salt a spice?
sand goblet
there's so much variety in chilli peppers
pine vector
xx, yes
rough sapphire
then salt
sand goblet
and a lot of spices are based on chilli peppers
gentle moss
is it though
sand goblet
paprika, however, is technically not a spice
rough sapphire
They're minerals, Marie!
pine vector
i didn't think this question through... ๐คฃ
sand goblet
if you're taking the family of peppers
I mean if you're keeping chilli peppers then you're also keeping bell peppers since they're the same family
so you're keeping cayenne, paprika, and chilli powder for a start
plucky ridge
@gentle moss
https://tenor.com/u1z2.gif
Whenever I hear someone say "shame"
That's what goes through my head
sand goblet
I have a question for the channel at large
gentle moss
i still wouldn't call "chilli" a spice overall.
sand goblet
which is unrelated, but
plucky ridge
No I will not make out with you, gdude
sand goblet
hahaha
rough sapphire
@sand goblet while I know they technically are a pepper, I wouldn't call bell peppers actually peppers. I think that's partly because in estonian, "pipar" ("pepper") and "paprika" ("bell pepper") are two very separate things and you would never call paprika a pipar
plucky ridge
Alright fine, twist my arm
gentle moss
i also wouldn't call the actual pepper a spice
sand goblet
let's say you're working with a database in any programming language
let's say python for example
pine vector
bisk, i think this would be one of those convoluted "but, in this context..." things with salt. like, tomatoes; technically a fruit, but a vegetable in culinary...
sand goblet
you have access to a full ORM
but there is no such thing as an automatic migration tool
what do you do?
plucky ridge
Before or after crying
sand goblet
haha
wheat lynx
By salt do you mean sodium chloride or any ionic compound?
rough sapphire
what other salt do you use to season your food with
pine vector
write the migration tool. duh. it will clearly save you time, over manual migration. ๐
gentle moss
pink himalayan rock salt
rough sapphire
deadlines are just suggestions
gentle moss
it aligns my chakras
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Potassium chloride is often used as a salt substitute to reduce sodium intake.
rough sapphire
no shit?
plucky ridge
I think that's right
sand goblet
this is the situation I now find myself in
I do have access to a migration tool
it's just not automated
rough sapphire
automate interaction with the tool
plucky ridge
Yeah, just double checked, I was thinking of the right compound
@sand goblet Actual, what level of migration? Are you saying like... to a completely different kind of database or...
sand goblet
No, just updating the database
gentle moss
It can be used as a salt substitute for food, but due to its weak, bitter, unsalty flavor, it is often mixed with ordinary table salt (sodium chloride) to improve the taste to form low sodium salt.
a salt substitute that doesn't taste of salt
nice.
:D
pine vector
well, if you can't write a tool, and verify/certify its results... hand-jam-time! ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐
sand goblet
all I can think of is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJh9yTIBY48
@pine vector yeah I think we might have to tbh
I can't imagine it being that hard but at the same time.. well tbh we only have to support postgres
unlike the poor guy that wrote harmonica
having to support oracledb
pine vector
i weep for their sanity...
plucky ridge
Diaspora
sand goblet
they're just not really a thing in the java world
everyone's using flyaway which applies sql scripts that have to be handwritten
and are just like "oh I guess this is OK then"
plucky ridge
I mean I would assume there are solutions out there already
I'd find it hard to believe that you're the first folks to run into this
plucky ridge
Also I thought that any kind of migration/update tool would be on the Postgres end rather than the ORM side
sand goblet
you can plug it into Hibernate and it will generate
wait for it
drop and create scripts.
that's all it does
and people think this is OK
plucky ridge
Do they? Or are they just resigned to the fact that they don't have time to write anything better
sand goblet
well, maybe this, yes
plucky ridge
I think I'm still confused, so this is to make your db go from like postgres 4 to postgres 5? (example version numbers, not real ones obviously)
pine vector
drop and create
i mean, why did SQL go beyond that anyway. what else do you need? ๐
pine vector
10M records? meh...don't update in-place. just re-write the table. duh...
plucky ridge
If it's good enough for JSON, it's good enough for me
pine vector
side-note: why are chairs such a PITA to shop for?
pine vector
well done, sir. well done.
plucky ridge
Wasn't as heavy hitting as I thought it was going to be
But it's accurate at least
But yeah, I feel your pain
The fact that I can never seem to find the right chair is irksome
Some I've found some that are rated for sitting in for x number of hours but it's always those awful mesh backed ones
Which are fine if you don't have a bony back like me and always end up popping the staples that hold the mesh out by accident
I've killed... at least two chairs that way I think
It's likely because I sit cross legged when I'm at home in an office chair
pine vector
i used to hate mesh back. i like them now. i just don't want to enter mesh seat territory. for the same reason: i switch to cross-leg/one-leg-under often.
plucky ridge
I think the mesh seats are the worst for me
But less due to comfort more due to.... scent capturing
As in they don't capture it enough
Or noise reduction
None of that either
pine vector
yeah, i've started getting the smells on the current one. its at least a decade old... cushioning is basically gone. i'm just too analytical on picking a new one.
plucky ridge
Oh my issue is with the freshly made smells
pine vector
oh. the off-gassing.
plucky ridge
Yarp
charred socket
I got a mesh chair like a year ago, I'm beginning to hate it
It's pretty hard to clean the space in the mesh back and the cushion in general
Just vacuuming never seems to pick up everything
plucky ridge
The crap is that/
gentle moss
Tumble dryer
It's not behaving so I'm cleaning it
So far I've pulled out a fist full of fluff
sand goblet
unless you have some of that amazing experimental plastic eating enzyme
it's probably not bad
sand goblet
The price you pay, I suppose
gentle moss
Just gotta do it sometimes
rough sapphire
that looks like a fire hazard
unsure if i'm a fan of \d<stuff> in postgres
also, fun fact
gentle moss
Wait until I open the heat exchanger
rough sapphire
it's great but i really miss DESCRIBE/SHOW TABLES
i thought tumble dryers were just things you see in american films and mr bean
gentle moss
That's gonna be a mess
gentle moss
I guess you just rack stuff up
rough sapphire
very much yes
sand goblet
US tumble dryers aren't really tumble dryers either though
they're top loading
they're more like spin dryers
rough sapphire
we just have these things
you just chuck your shit on that and pick it up the next day
sand goblet
we call those soccer goalposts here
rough sapphire
i'm surprised you call anything soccer
sand goblet
well football here is gaelic football
wheat lynx
Is Gaelic football different to Hurling?
sand goblet
oh boy
I don't think it could be more different
hurling is played with what looks kind of like a wooden hockey stick
and a small ball called a sliotar
wheat lynx
Ah yes
sand goblet
you have to carry the ball on the stick - the hurley
like on the end of the stick
it's not a contact sport but it's pretty rough
gaelic football on the other hand uses an actual football
you carry it around in your hands but you have to drop it to your feet and kick it back into your hands every few steps
kind of like basketball in that respect
if you're passing it, you punch the ball out of your hand instead of throwing it
wheat lynx
Which one is more popular in Ireland, or are they similar
sand goblet
and obviously you can kick the thing
they're both pretty popular
gaelic football is pretty rough as well
they're both split into separate sports by gender for obvious reasons
plucky ridge
For some reason when I hear "hurling" I think of something like baseball or american football where you're throwing something
sand goblet
except hurling for women is called camogie instead of hurling
rough sapphire
we don't have fancy football :( we're pretty weak when it comes to football in general
we have rally though
car go vroom froom
sand goblet
:>
wheat lynx
Whaaaat. I thought that was just on Top Gear
sand goblet
nope :>
solid pollen
btw Top Gear is still with boring people?
sand goblet
You see top loading dryers on TV too here
if they remove the water, they are dryers
regardless of technical terms
wraith oriole
no those are extractors
wheat lynx
Yes Top Gear is still with boring people :(
wraith oriole
dryers use heating element
either gas or electric
extractor just use high speed centrifugal forces to extract water
solid pollen
Pff that sucks
undone berry
Dryer is defined as a machine or device for drying something, especially the hair or laundry.. A thing that you dump wet clothes into and pull dry clothes out of is a dryer
undone berry
yes
gentle moss
undone berry
you can't argue
with the dictionary
definition of dry free from moisture or liquid; not wet or moist.
wraith oriole
wheat lynx
Technical definitions don't really matter in my eyes, a tumble dryer is basically a machine that you put wet stuff in and it spins and makes it dry imo
wraith oriole
extractors used to reduce drying time in a tumble dryer
gentle moss
same thing as a washing machine with a spin cycle?
wraith oriole
@gentle moss extractor is like a SUPER SPIN CYCLE
undone berry
yeah, that's not a dryer then. There are top loading dryers though
gentle moss
ah cool
wraith oriole
no heat only high rpms
undone berry
you pull wet clothes out of an extractor
plucky ridge
If it makes my shirt not wet, it's a dryer
gentle moss
i run my stuff through two spin cycles in the washing machine before drying
undone berry
and extractors won't make your shirt not wet
wraith oriole
industrial laundry work flow is:
washer -> extractor -> dryer
gentle moss
i guess you'd make one for each task in an industrial setting
so it can be more efficient
wraith oriole
there are some european machines that combine all 3 functions
miele? or some such
they are slow and have smaller capacity
pine vector
bisk, check the outside vent exhaust too! and if you can, go full-on Mary Poppins with the vent tubing. ๐
wheat lynx
I thought most washing machines heat up their own water
gentle moss
there is no outside vent
wraith oriole
in soviet russia the clothes extract YOU.
gentle moss
it's a condenser dryer
wraith oriole
@wheat lynx maybe commercial ones
rough sapphire
@undone berry get any further with your db/juggling
wraith oriole
household ones usually use hot water from the house's hotwater heater
gentle moss
ours heats its own water
wraith oriole
perhaps european ones do though @wheat lynx
wheat lynx
Possibly something like that
gentle moss
man, imagine having to run the hot water to wash clothes
pine vector
POU water heaters (appliance or otherwise) are much more prevalent in the EU, iirc.
wraith oriole
my hotwater heater stays on all the time
it stores water in a tank
it comes on to heat when temp drops
gentle moss
electric?
gentle moss
we have a hot watertank + gas boiler
wraith oriole
same
wheat lynx
We have a gas boiler for central heating and an electric heater for hot water tank I think
sand goblet
ours can only be set to 60 but it goes up to 65 every so often because legionnaire's or whatever it's called
plucky ridge
condenser dryer
Wait, so it condenses the steam it generates and drops it back into the sewer line?
That's... actually really cool
rough sapphire
https://githubsatellite.com/
if anyone cares
sand goblet
No, it goes into a thing you have to pull out and empty
plucky ridge
Oh like a dehumidifier
sand goblet
but yeah it does condense the steam
plucky ridge
I getcha
sand goblet
yup
we have a vented dryer
they're less common but they just vent the steam outside
plucky ridge
That's what's common here in the US
plucky ridge
Does make it smell awesome outside when people are doing their laundry
sand goblet
it does
my grandparents actually have a single appliance
it's both a washer and a dryer
(condenser dryer that is)
come to think of it, I'm not sure why we didn't go that route
plucky ridge
Now see that makes sense to me
gentle moss
yeah, it goes into a tray
plucky ridge
I think the only reason it's less common in households is because it means you have to wait longer to get everything done
sand goblet
I guess so
plucky ridge
Since you can't have something drying and washing at the same time
soft violet
We just hang dry stuff. Which, you know, works really great for woollens in the winter.
sand goblet
if I had the kind of fuck-you money my parents did, I'd probably put two of the combined ones into a house
instead of two separate ones
plucky ridge
"Alright Opal, now go and put on your sweatercicle"
soft violet
We did have a drying a long, long time ago, but we decided we didn't need it. Energy efficiency considerations and all.
gentle moss
fuuuuck
plucky ridge
Understandable
soft violet
Why tumble when you can hang?
plucky ridge
Unfortunately the weather where I live is incredibly unpredictable
sand goblet
same
soft violet
There's space inside.
sand goblet
also drying in the dead cold of january would.. not go well
plucky ridge
Not to mention tons of smokers in our area
soft violet
We call it the Chinese laundry.
plucky ridge
Yeah I suppose
plucky ridge
Although I can see the cat thinking it's an awesome idea to claw at the hanging stuff
gentle moss
plucky ridge
Or at least attempt to
gentle moss
and it's all caked on :(
sand goblet
that's impressive
gentle moss
fluff mine
sand goblet
don't breathe it in, you'll get asthma
plucky ridge
Or super powers
sand goblet
(you won't, unless you're like 2, but hey that's how I got it)
plucky ridge
That's what they tell you
In reality it was all the gov'ment testing they did on ya
sand goblet
:>
plucky ridge
Chem trails, man
gentle moss
it was clearly uhhhh
GSM gave you asthma
as we improve mobile technologies the conditions you get are worse
one of the screws holding the condenser cover on has rusted and threaded :|
also, i'm not sure how to clean this
do i shampoo it?
plucky ridge
Regular soap should get it out
gentle moss
little bit of conditioner for that silky fluff
Better get a plumber
Plunger
it's still coming out
gusty oar
ooof i should ask my java question in somewhere :d
rustic arrow
hey guys I have a very silly question
for some reason I am not getting the numbers ๐ like it's so embarrassing
gentle moss
the list comprehension in number_list is trying to operate on a single integer
rustic arrow
oh
i just thought that
chioce = numbers()
return redirect(url_for("responce.html"), generated_numbers=chioce[1])
this wouldn't work if I didn't make it a list
so i tried turning every number to a list ๐
sorry how can I fix it please
gentle moss
ah, also you're not returning anything from the numbers function, failed to spot that one.
graceful basin
for x in 100
gentle moss
and that.
gentle moss
the error should point to the line that's at fault when running the script btw
rustic arrow
def numbers():
for x in range (100):
number = random.randint(1,100)
number_list = [int(i) for i in str(number)]
return number_list
@app.route('/')
def generate():
chioce = numbers()
return redirect(url_for("responce.html"), generated_numbers=chioce[1])
what you're probably trying to do is something like....
rustic arrow
yes bro
gentle moss
number_list = []
for x in range(100):
number = random.randint(1,100)
number_list.append(number)
you then need to move the return outside of the loop
gentle moss
yeah but make sure you understand it. the list needs to be create outside of the loop
otherwise you overwrite it on each cycle around
and the return needs to be outside the loop otherwise uhhh... i guess it'd just return the first pass.
if you're passing a whole list forward to flask too you shouldn't specify an index on generate_numbers
else you're just passing the number at index 1
make sense?
rustic arrow
so i shouldn't pass an index ?
rustic arrow
what if I want to refer to a specific variable from a function bro
gentle moss
i'm not sure what you mean by that, but this is quickly becoming a help channel sort of thing rather than offtopic
gentle moss
you might want to grab yourself a help channel and ask in there
rustic arrow
the reason I wanted to index it was because that's the only way I know how to refer to things ๐
oh i thought this was help
gentle moss
hah, no. read up on the new system in #โ๏ฝhow-to-get-help if you're unfamiliar with it and grab yourself a help channel
rustic arrow
okay thank you bro I appreciate the fact that you helped me despite me not knowing that this is a help channel ๐ thanks bro
gentle moss
it's cool. it's just clear you have more questions than i'm able to answer right now. :)
i hear with my little ear... someone's got their elderly relatives over.
nice one on killing grandma, neighbour.
rustic arrow
oh hahah what
gentle moss
some people just don't care. oh well.
rustic arrow
isn't it only like 1 pm though ?
gentle moss
6pm here.
rustic arrow
nice
gentle moss
how can we know they're lying if we don't interview them?
those letters seem shifty.
thorn snow
I fear the keyboard I've ordered may be too loud for our office ๐
I was told if it is too loud I am not allowed to bring it
But it feels good
earnest sphinx
...
gentle moss
you can get little rubber rings for the switches, can reduce sound.
may mess with the keystroke though, idk
rough sapphire
yeah, one of these https://arvutitark.ee/est/tootekataloog/0/O-Ring-10-x-2mm-SLI-Nipple-470649
9mm O-Ringdicke (SLI-Nipple)
gentle moss
:D
plucky ridge
Oh huh. I didn't realize WASM was already at version 1.0
For some reason I thought it wasn't at that point
undone berry
It can't do DOM stuff which makes it really not that useful
plucky ridge
Ah, dang
thorn snow
MASM or gtfo
plucky ridge
Mom's Amazing Sunday Marmalade
thorn snow
Microsoft Macro Assembler
plucky ridge
Interesting. The "Getting Started" page only lists instructions for the C/C++ compiler
undone berry
Hm, the use cases kinda make me want to play around with it https://webassembly.org/docs/use-cases/
plucky ridge
Fat client for enterprise applications (e.g. databases).
Um, I think you guys mean "thicc"
gentle moss
:D
plucky ridge
It's weird, they mention Rust on the home page but I can't seem to find any doc stuff about it
Ah ha
Found some stuff on it
rough sapphire
i really hope wasm never gets dom manipulation support
i don't want it to become the new js
it's its separate thing, and that's a good thing
undone berry
What would be the downside of it getting DOM support? Seems like it wouldn't be very constraining
deep drum
@earnest sphinx god fucking damn the hell happened to that image
what dimension are you from bro
thorn snow
deep fried math
deep drum
when you hanging in the floating point dimension
rough sapphire
@undone berry the web ecosystem does not require another language for dom manipulation - 90% of what you do online already requires javascript, which is by itself a security risk. DOM manipulation support for wasm will mean that eventually, a lot of websites will start using that as well for things they should ideally be using js or just HTML/CSS for, further widening the attack surface
basically, it's bloat
wasm is great for very specialised scenarios, such as when you need high computational efficiency in a web browser
ie games or mathsy stuff
none of that requries dom manipulation
undone berry
The fact TS/Elm/Other-transpiled-language shows that JS isn't enough for a lot of people's needs. Compiling to actual WASM seems like it would enable much more efficient GUI code, which seems like it's probably fairly relevant given the ever increasing weight of web apps
I accept that increasing the attack surface is bad. But it seems like relying more and more on transpiled languages would be worse for that factor
rough sapphire
I don't think there's anything inherently broken about js that warrants a whole new language for the ecosystem
also, while js has been broken in the past (quite a few times (thank you webkit)), modern engines such as v8 are very good at sandboxing it
it's hard to currently estimate how broken wasm will be
undone berry
Sandboxing means that JS code isn't going to get out of the browser or that it isn't going to get outside of the tab that it's running in?
rough sapphire
sandboxing both in the context of the process (which encompasses both the browser and the current tab (in most browsers)) and the context of the interpreter itself, ie different interpreter sessions can't communicate with each other
undone berry
I guess if modern browsers are good at that, it is a pretty big increase in risk for relatively minimal gain
Although, I think it will happen - and if it is going to happen, I'm pretty happy with sooner rather than later
rough sapphire
I agree it will probably happen
I'm just not very happy about it
anyone able to help with git im unsure where to ask
Please @ me if ur able to help โค๏ธ
wraith oriole
@thorn snow i have unhappy memories of working with MASM
@rough sapphire google is a good starting point
rough sapphire
Yeah i got this error not sure why
graceful basin
you need to stage changes
wraith oriole
did you google "nothing added to commit but untracked files present"
because if you did youd have your answer
wraith oriole
google the error is always step 1 of issue resolution.
lol
and @graceful basin is probably right
Initializing Git
Git needs to be initialized in your project before it can be used. You can initialize Git in your project by running git init from the root of the project. All Git commands should be run from the root of the project.
Before going any further, Git needs to be configured to ignore this node_modules folder. This is a generated directory which doesnโt need to be under version control. You can always regenerate node_modules by running npm install. Create a .gitignore file with the following line to ignore the folder:
node_modules/
Git workflow
assumes git has already been initialized for the project
git status
git add .
git commit -m โcomment goes hereโ
git push
did you google "nothing added to commit but untracked files present"
@wraith oriole โค๏ธ โค๏ธ โค๏ธ
wraith oriole
you can ignore my node_modules part.
just focus on the git workflow
thorn snow
git config --global alias.commit-rnd !"sh -c \"git commit -m '$(curl -s http://whatthecommit.com/index.txt)'\""
saves you the comment
git commit-rnd
gusty oar
i don't get people who reveal their position on discord etc.
maybe country
but detailed address is dangerous
sand goblet
dangerous to who?
gusty oar
i don't know maybe there are psycho people on social media . who willing to cut you ๐
send me pizza
@rough sapphire i will send you 1000 pizza but receiver pays ๐ it my gesture to you
gentle moss
cash on delivery isn't a thing at the moment
gentle moss
oh nice
that's excellent.
our local chinese only takes cash on delivery
so i have to go out to get money out to go home to get my food
wtf is with that
rough sapphire
that's annoying
gentle moss
probably saves me eating too much chinese food though
rough sapphire
you reckon they're a front for a money laundering operation
gusty oar
ah
gentle moss
hmmm...
money laundering huh
my least favourite chinese place here is shut
that could've been money laundering
because they were shut down for using pigeon meat
claim that as chicken on inventory
keep the extra
catch the pigeon
rough sapphire
it's fine in a pinch
gusty oar
you should listen above music ๐ i listen and get hype of AC:VALHALLA
gusty oar
no its not and its growing everyday ๐
gentle moss
i thought it'd fallen down a mine of convoluted plot holes and bad story telling
gusty oar
but their rpg mechanics and ambiance is good
i felt that spartan feel in odyssey
by the way nordic musics is different and awesome
even if i don't understand
not all of them but
eivor making this good
rough sapphire
@gentle moss pigeon meat?
Pigeons are gross
I can't imagine that passing as chicken in any way
gentle moss
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sand goblet
the pycraft server has rats now
gentle moss
although i think pigeon could maybe pass for a gamey bird
rough sapphire
On a totally seperate note, the SO is playing the new Animal Crossing and if you have an axe equipped while using the "Delight" response, you clap with one hand but still make the sound of clapping with two.
BUG
gentle moss
nah they're just performing a 1 inch sonic boom slap
rough sapphire
Bruce Lee, the Animal Crossing villager
sand goblet
you actually can do that
sand goblet
no, train the rats to eat creepers
gentle moss
rofl
gentle moss
how fckn big are these rats
rough sapphire
Nonbeliever?
sand goblet
the rats get their own mounts
rough sapphire
That seems like a weird upgrade path
gentle moss
gentle moss
i am pleased with the picture i got from google.
gentle moss
okay, too far.
sand goblet
haha
gentle moss
if my little shits could breath fire i'd have some problems
little bastards are dangerous enough around tables and cables.
bitey shits
gusty oar
i hate disney+ btw
i can't watch legally their series
they don't sell their licence to any service in my country
neither they don't come
star wars series
i will call disney+ and will shout them to bring their f* services worldwide
they should understand that
soft violet
I didn't think wearing hdmi cables wrapped around your face is going to help much.
rough sapphire
Fourth from the bottom just has Dear,
soft violet
Well that's just lazy.
It'd be funnier if their fallback name was something they didn't expect to ever go out when they were writing it, like "Marky McMarkface"
rough sapphire
"Dear, CAPTAIN_PLANET_HES_OUR_HERO_GONNA_TAKE_POLLUTION_DOWN_TO_ZERO
We have a serious proposition for you"
soft violet
Well, that's the bones of a Sudoku solver actually really done, this time.
and it runs just a little bit on sorcery
I wrote it and I don't know how some of it works, but it does.
The sorcery made it go zoom.
^_^
soft violet
Haa. Say hello to 16x16 Hex digit Sudoku.
soft violet
Damn it, I keep thinking I have this thing nailed down and now I don't.
soft violet
Meh. Handles the 9x9s fine.
warm valley
anyone here know android studio?
actually, I'll just ask, I have 2 views, a menu screen and a game view, on the menu screen I have it so they can choose the colour of the game board, but I cant seem to transfer the selected colour information to the gameview. Anyone know how this could be done?
warm valley
I guess not just a android studio problem, I think anyone could help, more of a programming issue
modern island
This offtopic channel name is potentially unsafe 
summer vector
Me and the boys debugging in production
tacit flint
even google debugs in production
rough sapphire
what does "debugging in production" mean
reading logs?
because you sure as hell don't make changes to production code without running it through the normal procedures
i mean if can gather that "the system doesn't respond because the database crashed" or something, then you just reboot the thing
if that doesn't help, then you continue with the appropriate measures since there isn't much else you can do. the problem is strictly in that environment if the same exact thing works in the development environment
I'm just trying to understand is there something here I'm missing...?
wooden silo
@rough sapphire You can for example remote debug in production.
Google Cloud has facilities for debugging in their web cloud console as well.
As in, debug with a debugger.
rough sapphire
@wooden silo afaik that's not very risky business though?
wooden silo
Sometimes it's worth it.
The Google Cloud debugger doesn't interfere with the normal process, iirc, it just takes a snapshot.
rough sapphire
Hey so im trying to setup a fiverr gig and i was wondering if anyone would be able to help me define like a basic bot? Ive been working with d.py for like 3 years but im not sure what is worth 5$
sand goblet
Roughly 20 mins of work I'd say
rough sapphire
you wanna sell a bot for 5$?
rough sapphire
Yeah i just have to fillout the tabs and im not sure how to like define a basic bot
Idk if it makes sense
i saw someone define it like this
`Simple bot
โฌ9.72
Bot with api integration and 1 complex feature or 5 simple commands`
you should list some features and define it in laymen's terms
laymen?
gentle moss
perhaps come up with a range of example commands
so people know what you mean by a complex feature or simple commands
gentle moss
also, it means if they want those commands in particular (perhaps list some popular ones) you can template them out
reduce turnaround time
rough sapphire
Yeah true
solid pollen
Or maybe the number of SLOC per command
rough sapphire
SLOC?
gentle moss
lines of code
rough sapphire
Yeah
gentle moss
you would have to appraise the complexity of requests
solid pollen
I mean, you could say that a simple feature is around 10 SLOC, complex 50 SLOC
gentle moss
yeah but if you're doing it by lines
gentle moss
a 10 line command could require you to learn a massive API to retrieve data or something
which is additional work
rough sapphire
Yeah 10 lines is quite short
gentle moss
at any rate, you're going to have to appraise the complexity of requests.
so it's more like a back and forth rather than a drag and drop build a bot.
solid pollen
Hmm yeah
rough sapphire
So for a basic bot rughtly 5$ 2 advanced commands and or 5 simple commands
plucky ridge
Okay, here's a question for you folks: I'm clearing out some deleted items in our Document Management Software. If you delete something from the main part it moves it essentially to a trash bin that you have to clear out manually. The question I have is why would folders take longer to clear out of it than the files?
rough sapphire
are the folders empty?
rough sapphire
the only thing that makes sense is that the folders are somehow more deeply integrated into the data structures of the software?
the folders are more "permanent" somehow
plucky ridge
Hold on, trying to find a way to show what I mean without dropping client info in here
rough sapphire
because they're all abstractions anyway, it would not be visible to the user
plucky ridge
Well, looking in the deleted items list, the folders and files are listed side by side. Even if the file was previously in said folder, they're all listed on the same level
rough sapphire
but do you know if the folders are internally linked somehow more deeply
plucky ridge
I would assume they would have to be
My only instinct is that it might be like a hash map?
So part of the issue is that the database is supposed to not get very big, otherwise you run into HEAVY performance drops
rough sapphire
that could be
plucky ridge
So something in the back of my head is telling me that we're likely getting collisions, and that's why it's taking so long
solid pollen
Unh, a database is basically multiple hashmaps though
plucky ridge
Yes
But not like this one
I'm 100000% convinced this program was developed by braindead gibbons
rough sapphire
this depends on how if they are using different types of data structures for different things
like, folders use one data structure "because they need to be separate"
solid pollen
Folders tends to be pretty heavy yeah
plucky ridge
I think that's just hard for my head to get
rough sapphire
there's a good chance they still didn't know what they were doing
plucky ridge
Because to my mind, folders are just an added namespace layer
So it doesn't make sense to me that they just tank performance so much
But again, this program is craptacular
rough sapphire
this might be one of those things where it's better not to know the truth...
plucky ridge
The folders and files are shown side by side. To the right of that are the file/folder paths (which I won't show due to it being client info)
Yeah I suppose
I'm eventually going to have to take the current database apart and split it into separate ones to keep the load lower and improve performance
But we have... I think 3.7k clients in the system?
It's going to be a magical pain in the ass
plucky ridge
The program is called Lacerte Document Management System, but we usually just call it DMS for short. It's paired with the Lacerte tax software. And we've used a different service before. The issue is that the other one was subscription based and far less intuitive. The benefit of this one is that it's integrated (or more easily integrated) with the tax software.
But the funny thing is that back in.... 2014 I think, they tried to discontinue the program
Had people move over to SmartVault, the subscription based one I mentioned
But people were pretty damn pissed about that. We paid for DMS, why should we have to continue paying over and over for SmartVault when it's far less simple to use and much more of a headache in general? So they dusted DMS back off and well
They've KIND of been improving it
But the database size limitation is a huge issue
We shouldn't HAVE to split the database into separate entity types (Corporations, Fiduciary, Individual, etc.)
There are databases that get SIGNIFICANTLY larger than this with little to no performance hit
It's just silly and I'm just venting
plucky ridge
I just wish there was some API documentation.
There are times where it would be so much simpler to just write a script to access and search for stuff rather than having to do it by hand
Like there's a .exe that's straight up called DMS_API.exe
But without docs, I don't know where I'd even start. And since it's proprietary, I've had little to no luck getting much info out of Intuit
rough sapphire
soooo
what do their stuff say about doing a tiny bit of reverse engineering?
I mean just the legal side
plucky ridge
Would likely void our license
Which isn't an option
Period
I'd honestly thought about it, but considering a good chuck of our business relies on the tax software, that's just not viable
And the API stuff is more a convenience thing for me
Not really a necessity
solid pollen
So source compiling UE4 basically makes my computer useless for around 3h, nice >.>
rough sapphire
how do I downgrade the kernel
solid pollen
Which distro?
soft violet
@solid pollen Can't you limit the cores used in an argument to the compilation tool?
solid pollen
Maybe, but I'm 2h into the compilation, I'm too scared now
soft violet
Fair.
solid pollen
The worst is that I'm just upgrading, I have some already compiled bits
charred socket
I saw that earlier
Keybase gon die
rough sapphire
lol
solid pollen
Weeeelllllll
plucky ridge
In what, Python?
plucky ridge
EA is just the publisher
rough sapphire
there's 44k people here
solid pollen
We are missing quite a bit people here
rough sapphire
that's gotta make for one game?
gusty oar
hmm we can find design discord server and sound server ๐
solid pollen
And.. 3D server ?
rough sapphire
like, 9 women can birth a child in 1 month so 44k women should be able to make a 3d game in like i don't know 3 months?
solid pollen
Unnhh
plucky ridge
that's gotta make for one game
God, I can't imagine the amount or cat wrangling it would take to organize anything with this many people
solid pollen
I mean, there would be a lot of learning to do in 3 months
gusty oar
mr.hemlock can handle design , akarys can make sound . done ๐
solid pollen
You don't want me to make sound, trust me haha
plucky ridge
Got my own game I'm busy not making
solid pollen
But I really like design
gusty oar
i watched one video about
there is no talent in design
everyone can do it or like that
solid pollen
Well, you need some imagination
solid pollen
And I guess like in any other work, you need to be predisposed to do it
Well, everyone can draw
But some will take longer than their whole life to make a realistic drawing
That's just how the human brain works, you like some things and understand them faster and better than other things
gusty oar
hmm i don't want to name that game because nsfw but look at ||summertime saga|| there are lots of works
why people can't do it too
๐
solid pollen
And so there are design in NSFW games haha
gusty oar
yes there are pretty work actually ๐
designer make stream
he design in photoshop
with tablet
plucky ridge
Oh I can draw, but nothing actually usable
plucky ridge
My drawing skills are as good as my handwriting, and my handwriting is how garbage.
Actually funny you should mention that
solid pollen
My handwriting is really garbage
plucky ridge
The big sticking point that had me stalled on my RPG I was making was level design
I just don't have the mind for it
solid pollen
But I think my drawing is okay
plucky ridge
Like it's just not an interesting thing to me
gusty oar
maybe drawing is like coding ? wants lots of practice
solid pollen
You don't know good things
plucky ridge
You can
I mean you can be taught and learn and train
But it's not really a skill I desire to acquire
solid pollen
Coding is like maths, you need to learn a lot but don't need to practice a lot
plucky ridge
And other things that rhyme with ire
solid pollen
Design and art are like writing, you don't need to learn a lot, but you need to practice a lot
solid pollen
That would be my dream job
rough sapphire
sounds like a difficult job..
I know a lot of talented young developers being placed in that industry in the UK
aren't you in france, you would have no problem applying
solid pollen
But I don't want to go to the UK..
rough sapphire
yeah the UK sucks.. the weather especially
solid pollen
I'm in the south of France, it is cold and rainy up here
rough sapphire
but what can you do.. 1/3 aint bad