#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 386

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:04 PM

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did i hallucinate

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or it was u aliver

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 4:04 PM

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will need to change my password

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HAHAHA

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:04 PM

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oh it was your password , lol

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moving on to my question how can this not cause error?var1 db 'Hello World', 0xa

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I have a bunch of pngs with tonnes of empty space surrounding them - is there a tool I can use to mass crop them?

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currently i have literally nothing installed

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:13 PM

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use a commad line tool to crop then * for every file

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I have a feeling one of the python modules may be able to auto crop. Or if they have a specific dimensions you want to use, can easily automate it

soft violet Apr 25, 2020, 4:13 PM

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imagemagick might be versatile enough.

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Was just gonna say imagemagick as well

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I'll check out imagemagick - thanks

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Almost certainly has something along those lines

soft violet Apr 25, 2020, 4:14 PM

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If not, you could load it into pypng and do a thing.

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:14 PM

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http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#trim

ImageMagick

Create, Edit, Compose, or Convert Bitmap Images

soft violet Apr 25, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Or PIL.

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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@low shadow actually your string is 13 bytes. The 0xa at the end is the line break I believe

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Or possibly a null terminator I might have heard someone call it before

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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my question was that var is of 1 byte right

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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0xA is \n

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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so how it fits 13 byte string

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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so yes, line feed

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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No, in that line, var1 will be 13 bytes long

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One byte per character, plus newline

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:16 PM

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var1 db 'Hello World', 0xa ; here db means var1 = 1 byte right?

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:16 PM

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It's been a few months since assembly. Trying to remember that bit

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That would be double byte?

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Wrong term I think

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I can pull up some of my assembly stuff in a minute. Might have notes on that

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:17 PM

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db = byte dw = word and so on , byte = 8 bit, word = 16 bit Hello World 0xa = 13 bit , correct me if i m wrong

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:17 PM

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db is a database entry

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here, it's the string table

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:18 PM

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There we go, yes

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:18 PM

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An exe has a string table, where these things are stored

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:18 PM

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It's defining the string to be stored with that reference - var1

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:18 PM

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that mnemonic tells the linker to store that string in there

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Otherwise it would just be a random string with no actual reference to it. I think I'm remembering that right. Could be wrong

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:19 PM

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var1 is the label for that entry

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to use the right terminology

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:19 PM

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ok

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:20 PM

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and as I said, 0xA means \n and that is a linefeed

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http://www.asciitable.com/

Ascii Table - ASCII character codes and html, octal, hex and decima...

Ascii character table - What is ascii - Complete tables including hex, octal, html, decimal conversions

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A in hex is 10

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Learn binary and hex, it makes your life a lot easier

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:22 PM

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looking at some of my code, the instruction would be telling the assembler: inside the executable data section, allocate this amount of memory, store this in it, and reference by this label

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:22 PM

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(Imagemagick was a great shout - thanks)

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:22 PM

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i hope thats right. only spent a month or two with assembly. broke off because it was getting far far too over my head as i got deeper in

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:23 PM

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128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1
``` So this is the notation for one byte, with the values. Using hex, you split this in half:

8 4 2 1 | 8 4 2 1

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Then you get the hex

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:23 PM

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good stuff. i need to learn to make more use of it myself

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Example for 100:

128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1
 0   1  1  0 0 1 0 0

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Converted:

8 4 2 1 | 8 4 2 1
0 1 1 0 | 0 1 0 0

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Which makes 0x64

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:25 PM

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ahh that makes sense. pretty simple/straightforward in a way

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:25 PM

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interesting

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i like 0x format

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:25 PM

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When the sum on any side is above 10, you use the letters from A to F

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A is 10

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:26 PM

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0xff means f represent a nibble and another f represent another nibble as liverflow said

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:26 PM

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im usually good to work out binary on paper. and can work with hex mostly fine. but conversions or multiply/divide i always need a calculator

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:26 PM

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as a networker hex is second nature 😄

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and binary

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:27 PM

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https://filippo.io/linux-syscall-table/ <-- it helped me lot in assembly

Searchable Linux Syscall Table for x86 and x86_64 | PyTux

Searchable Linux Syscall Table for x86 and x86_64 There are some tables like this around, but they are usually cool auto-generated hacks and that …

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finally lot of my question are automatically solved

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dexter you should definetly read this

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:29 PM

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haha true that. networking is one of those 'black boxes' for me as soon as you get deeper than about a basic http request

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:29 PM

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@pearl horizon It's actually easier because you work on those basic layers

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You only deal with OSI 1-4 most of the time

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I don't need to pull my hair out over configuring a new web server

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:30 PM

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ahh didn't have that site bookmarked, but its now. i did have several other syscall tables i would reference. and many many other things. never got comptent enough to write my own from scratch code

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:30 PM

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mtr, dig, host are my most used tools

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rest is cables and optics 😄

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:31 PM

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also man 2 syscall gives you every thing about syscall for every ARCHITECTURE

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I mean, I can set up/maintain the little test servers i run. Usually always have apache/php/mysql running on my desktop. I do sniff around in things like http program, or similar now and then

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:31 PM

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In networking, the only thing you set up is switches and routers and those are pretty straight forward

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I love the Juniper command line

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it's easy to understand

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CISCO is a pain in the ass

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:32 PM

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CISCO is router?

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:32 PM

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they make networking hardware, yes

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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oh

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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WHen I say router, I don't mean the thing that you have at home though

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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WHen I say router, I don't mean the thing that you have at home though
@thorn snow what do u mean then

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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This is a proper router

📎 mx960-left-high.png

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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lol

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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hmm.. i know how to set up routers and all that. but i havent ever actually done more than the simple home stuff. would like to build a rackmount server or screw around on one someday

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most likely going to pick up some vps hosting soon. at least once i get my website to the point i want it on it's own domain, or have a need for more the GitHub Pages

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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just get web hosting

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you need a lot of knowledge to properly use vps

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and administrate them

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Do you? I've used them in the past and just treated them like physical servers

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They seem pretty trivial to work with

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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well, you need to know the pitfalls, need to handle IP tables etc

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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VPS is very famous nowadays

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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that can be challenging

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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i always confuse VPS with VPN

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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just checking - vps is virtual private server?

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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yes

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like amazonaws right?

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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yes

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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What is it that you have to do with a VPS that you don't have to do with a physical server?

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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possibly. i get that. id consider myself at least pretty well experienced with linux in general, though i know where i could use work. still considering all the options, so nothing really decided yet. but thats one ive been leaning towards for a bit

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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No difference, that isn't what I meant

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Or do you mean running the hypervisor properly?

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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What I mean is people sending private IP into the internet and if you do that too often, you'll get your server locked

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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nothing more than wanting to have control over how things are set up, and being able to have the flexibility to try out all the little things i like screwing around with

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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or getting their stuff hacked

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I deal with that on a daily basis

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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how can u get hacked from private IP

What I mean is people sending private IP into the internet and if you do that too often, you'll get your server locked
@thorn snow

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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it's called network abuse

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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or getting their stuff hacked

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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thought about setting up a private git server, for my own projects. the web stuff

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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@low shadow That isn't what I said, at all

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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ok

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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other things as well, but not listing the ones i know can be done on both types of hosting

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Oh sure - I get what you mean now

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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If our network detects package with private IP as destination, your server get's flagged

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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you mean hosting things i shouldnt online?

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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we request a statement, if you don't reply what we want to hear, you get locked

pearl horizon Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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nah, not something id be doing

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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If our network detects package with private IP as destination, your server get's flagged
@thorn snow which our network

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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most do it unintentionally because they don't block those ip ranges

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RFC1918, 100.64.0.0 CGNAT range and APIPA range

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those are forbidden on the internet and your vps is "in the internet"

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I am not meaning to scare you, but read up on what data centers expect from administrators

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it varies a bit

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some networks just drop private IP silently, we send out abuse mails

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:41 PM

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fuck me scorch

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that's a hefty router

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:D

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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yeah well, when you dish out 3 tb a second you need some power 😄

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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:D

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https://www.netgate.com/solutions/pfsense/xg-1541.html

Netgate - Secure networks start here.

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sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I remember using a host that recommended using private addresses to communicate between servers in the same datacentre

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lol

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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that's the sort of router i'm used to

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Today I expect routing in most of these places is better than that

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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we've got 3 deployed at different locations

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and they're way overspecced

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@sand goblet No can do here, they all have public IP

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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is i386 same as 32 bit

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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you can set up a VPN between them though

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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i386 is 32bit

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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or group them and install the mikrotik router software

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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we barely hit like 20% capacity on those netgates

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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ok

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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we offer virtual switches for that

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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you done much with pfsense in your line of work scorch?

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Not really. Juniper and Cisco have integrated firewalls

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I have a microtik switch here at home

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because I needed something that wouldn't cost us a kidney

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haha

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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probably just pfsense as well

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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what is i915 is it a new arch like i386

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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who knows 😄

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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that's the intel HD graphics driver

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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ok

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:45 PM

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pretty sure juni and cis have their own shit going on

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those netgate devices are fucking slick though

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i used 70 machines to try to load test it

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couldn't even hit 50% capacity

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but we don't go near your levels of traffic

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oof

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:45 PM

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if i update i915 (intel driver ) driver in kali , will it be updated in windows

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 4:46 PM

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no

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:46 PM

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We have 2 base router on each dc, then up to 400 l3 switches in those rows and 1 access router per building row, which is 2 data center floors

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:46 PM

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ok

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 4:46 PM

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that doesn't even make sense

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:47 PM

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ok

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 4:47 PM

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ok

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:47 PM

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so what're your PPS rates through your edge routers?

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gotta be tens of millions right?

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:48 PM

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it all runs over various PNI and transits, but about 3 tb/s total

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packages I don't know

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:48 PM

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not sure on the PPS rates?

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ah

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I think about 6 million should be highest

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not something I look at often

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:49 PM

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we hit about 300k max

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usually after patch tuesday

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:49 PM

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well, as I said, it's all over multiple routes, routers, PNI etc

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it's hard to tell the overall total

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:50 PM

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i think i'd like to stay at my level of net admin for now

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<_<

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:51 PM

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hey bisk

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Eh, if you know the basics, everything else is just complexity

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:52 PM

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do u remember the person who sent a link to video when i said ```
i dont understand this video
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T03idxny9jE&list=PLhixgUqwRTjxglIswKp9mpkfPNfHkzyeN&index=13
and you said to work more hard

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@gentle moss

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oh got it searched for this video

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and got this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pejxLkT-wek&list=PLWKjhJtqVAbmGw5fN5BQlwuug-8bDmabi&index=4

YouTube

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gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:55 PM

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uuuhhh

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why have i been summoned?

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:55 PM

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sorry got it

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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make sure to watch it all and follow up on the reading material

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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you remind me of game where i summon monsters and necromancer

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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yes.

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i am a monster.

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be careful when you summon me.

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@gentle moss

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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abiskalisk

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i got fangs yo

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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aBiskBumBleBee

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 4:57 PM

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i'll disregard that#

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 4:57 PM

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see the B's

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Shit's getting real. SOme still think the virus is a joke

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today police has put a whole apartment block under quarantine and put up fences and controls

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 5:01 PM

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oh u mean corona virus

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Because an infected family was still having visitors

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 5:01 PM

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oh

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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sounds reasonable to me

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this thing is fucking mental and you should obey guidelines

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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They've also put the infected family into a guarded quarantine

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basically prison ward

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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christ though - quarantining a whole block like that is something

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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true enough

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but if people aren't going to take it seriously

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well fuck

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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we're getting to the point of the lockdown in the UK where people stop taking it as seriously

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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show them it should be

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indeed neon

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i'm seeing it

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our neighbours have some people over

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Spreadsheet Phil started calling to open up the economy again

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waaay too soon

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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fuck sake

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Hammond?

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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yeah

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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what a prick

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couldn't even run the economy

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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thankfully he's not in government any more - but he probably reflects the opinions of a lot of MPs right now

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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what the fuck does he know about economics

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is my thought

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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the media are pushing the "open up the economy" narrative

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just. follow. the. science.

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it's not hard

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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and fucking Hat Mancock is deflecting from his failures too

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"we'll have 100k tests a day soon."

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2 weeks later

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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it is hard when the scientific advisory group is having non scientists rock up to meetings and almost certainly pushing some angle

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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"OH I MEANT CAPACITY TO TEST. NOT ACTUAL TESTING."

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get tae fuck you useless shit

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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he has some modern art picture of the queen in his house

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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that's enough to show he's a tosser

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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you see it when he does the zoom? skype? w/e

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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and they're still using zoom

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ffs

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Matt Hancock is the king of slime

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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aye

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he's no classic dom

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but he's definitely a shithead

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and where the fuck is our "leader"?

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he's spent more time this year on holiday or being sick

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than doing his fucking job

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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still recovering, i'll give him that

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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well he's well enough to talk to Trump about trade

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so he should be able to answer questions from MPs

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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talk to Trump about what trade exactly?

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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If he can plan trade deals - he can speak in parliament

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Brexit trade deal

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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the US-UK deal that nobody wants?

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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yup

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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oh god please fucking not

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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you realise this whole shit show will be used as a way to force through shit deals?

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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if we get that deal i'm going vegetarian ffs

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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right?

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they can use it to their political advantage

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the devious cunts

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AW SHIT

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sorry mods

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i'd been so good.

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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NHS is back on the menu lads

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Coronavirus will be used to try and jam through the worst of the worst trade deals - to kickstart the economy

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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have any of u faced game addiction

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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lmao always misdirect and apply blame

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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that's the first ping I've seen from you ever I think

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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indeed

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eh, you've missed a lot

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my c usage was pretty high up there

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I know the stories of you being worse - but since I've only seen you avoid it

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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i am better now

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Oh, hello bisk

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how are you?

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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i am angry at our government

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and used a bad word :(

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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that's imaginable

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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i still want to reverse brexit

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still makes me fucking angry

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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not gonna happen mate

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it's mitigation now

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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there's no mitigation

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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who cares

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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well there are mitigation options

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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you can have blue passports

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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they're black

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Brexit will be reversed - just in 30 years time when we've slipped from 5th biggest economy to 15th

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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notice how they waste months fighting over stopping no-deal and now nobody gives a shit we're getting no-deal? what the bloody fucking fuck

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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whatever

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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i mean they were meant to be blue

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but when they came back from the POLISH printing factory

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they were black

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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well, it did keep coronavirus out of your borders, right?

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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the irony of having to contract out that

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yeah of course

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we're a free land of fish eating people

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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why don't you build a wall around your isle?

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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because it's an island

oak tangle Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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yeah, so?

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Britain was never ready for a united Europe. They've always tried to get the benefits of the Eu without the cost

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:11 PM

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not sure a wall would beat a sea

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indeed scorch

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we've been the dick in the room

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the whole time

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reap the benefits but trying to prevent anything positive moving through

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oh shit i hear a bbq that needs firing up

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Euroscepticism has been pushed by a shitty press since before we even joined - very difficult to even try and embrace it when there's so much pushback

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:12 PM

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too many years of bullshit tabloids

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it's easy for politicians to just scapegoat the EU instead of doing their fucking jobs

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Yeah, Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, and Paul Dacre can all get in the fucking bin

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:13 PM

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politicians will blame our economy on corona instead of brexit btw, you watch

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even though it's true to an extent

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another free pass

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Your Queen once made me 1 bil isk in Eve Online

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:13 PM

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100% - Brexit will be all positive, everything will be blamed only on Covid

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:13 PM

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So, thanks Britain 😄

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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what is positive about brexit?

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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nothing

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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i've had my fucking rights stripped away

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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just thats the way it will be sold

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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and nobody cares

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i want to keep my fucking rights

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i trust the eu more than the uk govt.

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Be thankful you had brexit so you're not starving to death too quickly - blame coronavirus because you're starving to death

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Years down the line - I've not managed to understand a single bad thing the EU has done that the UK didn't want

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:16 PM

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the UK had veto

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._.

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so so stupid

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and the oldies thinking they're leaving a legacy of how they want britain to be

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will just be reversed in X years

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because the youth all wanted to stay

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but now they get to lose the benefits

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Its old people who never lived through WW2 trying to get us back to the alleged greatness that we had during WW2

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70 yo boomers pushing for an ideal they never experienced and never existed

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:18 PM

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i dunno how i'm supposed to feel about the next few years

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:19 PM

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As you should in any crisis - take each day on it's own

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no point in dwelling over what may be in the future

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that only gets you Weltschmerz

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:20 PM

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That's doable with something like coroanvirus's immediate effects. But for things like the long/medium term economic impacts - its hard not to despair

fervent dock Apr 25, 2020, 5:20 PM

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the brexit was interesting to me because I lived in the UK from the day of the referendum until almost the actual brexiting and I don't think I ever met a single person who would be in favour

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:21 PM

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it's very regional

fervent dock Apr 25, 2020, 5:21 PM

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of course I was almost entirely surrounded by young people & university staff

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:21 PM

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there you go

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Education and age are the two main predictors

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so you're interacting with young educated people

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which is the perfect anti Brexit crowd

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:21 PM

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note how in the last election FPTP meant tories won outright, but over all the vote was no to brexit via PR

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iirc

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Look, right-wing extremists always recruit those that they can persuade easily. Unemployed and people with little education. I am seeing this here in Germany and everywhere else

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Because giving those people a boogeyman they can blame their problems on helps them feel better

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:22 PM

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brexit isn't about right wing recruitment

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:22 PM

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so they point their fingers at the evil EU, Immigrants etc

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:22 PM

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It's not just the far right. Its extremists of all ilk

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:22 PM

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it's more about disenfranchisement of the plebs

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:22 PM

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tbh anti-EU sentiment has been in the UK since we joined

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it's just taken a media ferver and frenzy to encourage people

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because we falsely report everything

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successive governments claim EU goods were caused by them

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:23 PM

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i have a massive dislike for UK media after brexit. my opinion of the beeb dropped massively, too

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:23 PM

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What it took was a certain pig fucker holding a referendum no one wanted to satisfy MPs in his own party

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then him massively fucking up his side of the campaign

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:23 PM

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and negative things the EU do are painted badly

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so the EU are always the enemy

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UK government claimed they abolished roaming charges

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rofl

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:23 PM

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WHy does this pig fucker thing stick? Wasn't this just a Black Mirror episode?

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:24 PM

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nah

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it's an upper class thing

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:24 PM

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There was a book saying David Cameron put his cock in a pig's mouth

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and he also looks like a pig fucker

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:24 PM

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the bullingdon club used to smash up restaurants and then give the owner a cheque for thousands of pounds to cover the damage

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or burn £50 notes in front of homeless people

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past 2 PM's have been bullingdon members

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it's that kind of upper class bullshit that leads to someone with their cock in a dead pigs head

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:25 PM

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flashbacks to bojo performing a miracle and getting his "concessions" which was basically just implementing a worse deal than May's, which was rejected over and over in parliament

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I don't think TM was a bullingdon member... - just intensely forgettable

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:25 PM

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the media spin is fucking awful

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:25 PM

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oh shit yeah she existed

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my bad

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however, so much of government is formed from such a small group of people

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who all went to school together

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:26 PM

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His deal was fucking over the DUP instead of the IRA - which, imo, is probably a bit better

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:26 PM

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that they're all of the same mind

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not just the PM, but MP's

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even opposition members have more in common with their tory counter parts

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than the public

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:27 PM

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It's absolutely dire. The media and parliament are full of people who studied together at Oxbridge and who went to the same private schools

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:27 PM

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yup yup yup

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people who say the class wars are dead

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are fucking ignorant

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and usually part of the privileged class

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:27 PM

#

the media spun it like he made the EU concede, when the EU were very black and white since the beginning, and did exactly what they said they would -- since the beginning

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:28 PM

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i might as well be a fucking brexit wikipedia at this point

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but i can't be fucking arsed

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:28 PM

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did you guys catch the JRM quip?

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school elitism

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:28 PM

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fuck that shit head

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Oh, the Wickhamist one?

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:28 PM

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taking a nap on parliament benches

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what an entitled little prick

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:29 PM

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"My honourable friend makes a characteristically Wykehamist point," he said. "Highly intelligent, but fundamentally wrong."

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Country is fucked - only hope is that the EU storms ahead of us in not-shitness and we rejoin in 30 years

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:29 PM

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what a twat

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:30 PM

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The whole concept EU is on trial imho. If you look at certain countries like Hungary and Poland - they go farther and farther away from the EU ideals and that is going to be an issue in the next few years

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Austria has also a far right government now

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It's not as bad as in Poland yet though

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:31 PM

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i mean article 50 was meant for places like hungary

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a nation that reached a point where it was so divided from EU ideals

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it had to split

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but the UK isn't that far split from EU ideals

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it's all fucking hyperbole

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:32 PM

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notice how hungary's govt wasted no time with the pandemic to become more authoritarian

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:32 PM

#

idd

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the UK aligns pretty close with EU ideals, as far as i can tell

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it's all a political fucking shit show that lead us to this

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:33 PM

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I haven't been following the news as closely as normal. But Orban has certainly not wasted this oppurtunity

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:33 PM

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freedom to vote, freedom to not research

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:33 PM

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launch them into the sun

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:34 PM

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freedom to believe every bit of spin thrown at you

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:34 PM

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i didn't spend a decade reading the news every day to be told i'm wrong by some fuckwit who listens to farage

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and not just bias news, all news.

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i used to read the MAIL daily.

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every angle. avoid echo chamber / bias

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:35 PM

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well, it is important to know what clothes Jennifer Lawrence is wearing atm \♥️

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:35 PM

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and how much i should hate the black princess.

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:P

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Putting Markle and Middleton news stories next to each other is laughable

#

I agree that there's relatively little advantage to following day to day news coverage - but it's hard to stop

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:44 PM

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following daily news coverage probably contributed to my break down last year

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it's hard, as a rational human being, to read that shit day to day

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 5:47 PM

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 __________________________________
< {Hi everyone, how is my new cow} >
 ----------------------------------
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 5:47 PM

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🐮

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🐄

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 5:48 PM

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good

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this one is nice too

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 ______
< {hi} >
 ------
       \ (__)
         (oo)
   /------\/
  / |    ||
 *  /\---/\
    ~~   ~~

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is there random function in bash

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??

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 5:49 PM

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/dev/random

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 5:50 PM

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ok

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:55 PM

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there's also /dev/urandom

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 5:56 PM

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ok

gentle moss Apr 25, 2020, 5:56 PM

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which is usually the preferred source

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niche cases but eh, better to do best practices

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 6:15 PM

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/dev/random blocks, /dev/urandom doesn't

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 6:16 PM

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That means if two programs are trying to access /dev/random, one of them has to wait?

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 6:17 PM

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hey how do i gen random number

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like radint in python

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/dev/radom is permission denied

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 6:17 PM

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do you even think about googeling what you ask?

rough sapphire Apr 25, 2020, 6:17 PM

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no, if the system runs out of entropy, it blocks until more become available

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Because seriously, this is so basic, the first page of google will be full of it

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 6:17 PM

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oh sure- that makes more sense

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 6:18 PM

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bash: /dev/random: Permission denied

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bash: /dev/urandom: Permission denied

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chmod +x doesnt work

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 6:18 PM

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It's not an executable

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it's a device

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hence /DEV/random

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random="$(dd if=/dev/urandom bs=3 count=1)"

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2 seconds of google

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 6:19 PM

#

3 second

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of google

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od -d /dev/random

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generates same number

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 6:19 PM

#

if we give you pointers, you need to research it and show some initiative

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because as I said, this stuff is simple to look up

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we are not your personal google monkeys

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 6:22 PM

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why is first random characte always 0000000

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 6:23 PM

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https://coderwall.com/p/s2ttyg/random-number-generator-in-bash

Coderwall

Random number generator in bash (Example)

A protip by mwunsch about shell, unix, and bash.

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read this

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/dev/urandom/ is indeed the better device as x said

#

That was actually new to me as well: echo $(( $RANDOM % 10 ))

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 6:25 PM

#

modulus can work as radint in python

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now i got

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it

thorn snow Apr 25, 2020, 6:25 PM

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You've asked specifically for bash though

low shadow Apr 25, 2020, 6:27 PM

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ok

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i got for bash

#

i will use it

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 7:02 PM

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So I decided to try gboard again

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They like

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There are "PC" layouts now

#

So while the normal keyboard is cluttered enough

📎 Screenshot_20200425-200245.jpg

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You can do.. this

📎 Screenshot_20200425-200254.jpg

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I don't think I could begin to type on this haha

fervent dock Apr 25, 2020, 8:06 PM

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oh no

#

that looks like a bad experience

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Is Dashlane a reasonable password manager? I can't find anything obviously wrong with it

atomic swan Apr 25, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I didn’t like it

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I use 1password

#

The UI is fine, i didn’t like the auto filling out and the settings to disable it not working

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it’s also kinda pricy

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Dashlane has a few issues

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The entire thing is HTML/JS-based, which is fine, but the developers are doing some very unnecessary HTML entity escaping work

#

which means that sometimes passwords will be stored with HTML entities in them

#

if you need a password manager, the best one of that type is definitely Bitwarden

#

It's fully open-source, you can host it yourself (or use a third-party server software) if you like

#

Free plan includes unlimited sync, secure notes, payment info, 2fa support, password generator, the usual

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for $10/year you also get 1GiB encrypted file storage, two-step login with eg a yubikey, and it can also act as a 2fa app (logins can be supplied with TOTP keys)

#

alternatively they do $12/year for a single group of 5 accounts with all of the above and password sharing between 'em

#

as usual I've given @undone berry way too much info

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haha

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Hm - Keepass is also open source. Currently trying to decide a password manager to lock into - do you have any experience with keepass?

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right now I'm leaning towards bitwarden

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I've used both

#

I think the killer thing for me was the easy sync

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none of the keepass forks actually provide you with a way to keep your database up to date on each device

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you usually need an external tool like syncthing or an sftp server or something

undone berry Apr 25, 2020, 9:13 PM

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alright - looks like bitwarden it is then. Thanks for the suggestions

sand goblet Apr 25, 2020, 9:14 PM

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No worries

gusty oar Apr 26, 2020, 12:04 AM

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📎 Capture.PNG

clear plume Apr 26, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Lol

frosty berry Apr 26, 2020, 9:18 AM

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meh, old old joke, now with a twist of sexism.

gusty oar Apr 26, 2020, 12:13 PM

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😄

oak tangle Apr 26, 2020, 12:16 PM

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meh, old old joke, now with a twist of sexism.
@frosty berry

I think that twist of sexism has been there in a lot of historical versions as well.

#

It's always "the wife" and the husband trying to interpret it with logic

frosty berry Apr 26, 2020, 12:17 PM

#

yeah, very much possible

oak tangle Apr 26, 2020, 12:17 PM

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The only thing really interesting is that the programmer doesn't understand logic in the comic itself, since the bring 9 is ambiguous and not connected to the eggs earlier.

#

So, there's a leap of faith regardless

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I'm surprised he didn't bring 9 potatoes

frosty berry Apr 26, 2020, 12:18 PM

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yep, he should have refused the instruction at first if he was that logical

oak tangle Apr 26, 2020, 12:18 PM

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yes

#

or just be logical enough that in human language there's context

#

and he's just being a bitch for not being able to take that into account

#

anyway, either explanation is shit:

people who like computers can't human
women can't logic

frosty berry Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 PM

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i'm not sure that's the appropriate word 😆

oak tangle Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 PM

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it's always targetted to make fun at a group

#

ah

#

well

frosty berry Apr 26, 2020, 12:20 PM

#

yeah, the generalisation of 1 woman didn't understand my choice to all woman are illogical is one count, the "nobody will" (you are not alone, no men, and possibly no women, can understand women), is another

#

i'm not sure which is worse, but the joke is just bad overall, even if you assume it's all about mocking "too logical" programmers, it's just meh

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(obligatory https://xkcd.com/385/)

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 2:12 PM

#

it definitely seems like the target of the joke is programmers rather than women, yeah

#

most jokes do take a dig at some group or another anyway

gusty oar Apr 26, 2020, 2:50 PM

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novadays world is fragile , most of jokes can be understood as sexist or racist

#

even if its not

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I'm not sure what sexist in this case regardless? It's the males being dumb here, not the women

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I feel like the only way to interpret this comic is "hah - programmers can't think in normal human terms"

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I can't see sexism either way - it's just a joke that was funny 20 years ago and is the kind of mediocre stuff that pops up on /r/programmerhumour

sharp bone Apr 26, 2020, 3:18 PM

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hi

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oh here is hoottt

thorn snow Apr 26, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Wow, Intel has given up on ClearOS being a desktop OS pretty quick

gentle moss Apr 26, 2020, 4:00 PM

#

the joke didn't need "i don't get women" spin imo

#

but yeah, it's some tired shit anyway

#

not sure why someone would comic it

#

unless they're just mining the history of programming jokes to fuel their webcomic

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

solid pollen Apr 26, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Haha, looks like Epson doesn't support linux

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:/

soft violet Apr 26, 2020, 4:13 PM

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There is limited support on at least some products.

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by support, I mean "here's your driver files, now go away"

gentle moss Apr 26, 2020, 4:18 PM

#

you can get away with some generic PCL drivers

#

but they can be a bitch

#

same for post-script / ghost-script drivers

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 4:20 PM

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The comic is probably from like 1999 or something

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 5:13 PM

#

Ok. Good suggestion . There should be a mode in mobile so that if you use specs it correct the display content itself . So that we don't need specs. Wonder if that would work

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Specs = glasses =corrective lenses

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

@undone berry I'm not sure if you've worked with JavaFX but I have to say that TornadoFX (Kotlin wrapper for JavaFX) is pretty ace

#

Here's the repo, since that channel's been taken over https://github.com/TeamJM/journeymap-tools/

GitHub

TeamJM/journeymap-tools

Small toolkit for working with JM maps outside of Minecraft - TeamJM/journeymap-tools

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

I touched JavaFX once then realised my mistake

#

Why is it that the core JM is closed source?

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Because it was never open-sourced and Tech (the original dev) has an exclusive license to it

#

If we want to OSS anything, we have to rewrite it

#

Here's how that first row of controls is defined

📎 unknown.png

#

It really doesn't get much simpler

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:01 PM

#

I still think I'd prefer KVLang or some equivalent, rather than just kotlin/java to make widgets

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:01 PM

#

that button action should be moved into the button block though

#

There is FXML

#

but I don't see the point

#

the declarative kotlin DSL makes everything super easy to define

#

like defining the comboboxes for example

#

📎 unknown.png

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:03 PM

#

I still think if I was making an app like that I'd have tried to Electron or PWA it

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Neither of those approaches make any sense for this

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:03 PM

#

I guess the actual GUI part is pretty minimal

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:03 PM

#

The way the image files are processed is important

#

A lot of people have absolutely gigantic maps

#

If the entire resulting image had to be loaded into memory, it could be too much for some machines

#

This tool is able to stitch together any map size while only ever using around 160MiB of RAM

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:05 PM

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That's pretty impressive actually

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:05 PM

#

I'm quite happy with it

#

but

#

the actual image stitching code is not pretty

#

and it's not pretty because I had to port it from Tech's code

#

which is over 6 years old and not documented

#

and has terrible variable names

#

https://github.com/TeamJM/journeymap-tools/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/info/journeymap/tools/images/ImageStitcher.kt

GitHub

TeamJM/journeymap-tools

Small toolkit for working with JM maps outside of Minecraft - TeamJM/journeymap-tools

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You can see that here.

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:06 PM

#

that does not look very fun

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:06 PM

#

it's great

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:06 PM

#

is that really all a single method?

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:07 PM

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github can't even highlight this whole file

#

almost, yeah

#

there's another method at the bottom for getting a blank image file

#

when I'm back at my desk (about to not be) I'll get the async and progress stuff done

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Just clickign through directories/files and Kotlin is much nicer to read than Java

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:10 PM

#

I agree

#

I think the original source is public source but I'm not gonna risk it

#

Tech also had this habit of putting library source into the repo

#

I have no idea why

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:12 PM

#

@tardy wind And the Java ecosystem in miles bigger than the C# one. I'd much rather use Kotlin (Even more portable) than C#

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Who dat

#

Aha

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

#

kotlin is a very diff discussion

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

#

Hooo

#

the point being c# is just as xplat as java
@tardy wind

#

Absolutely not

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

#

in what way

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

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My dude

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

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it absolutely is

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

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How many cars have you driven that run C#?

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

#

just because they dont doesntmean they CANT

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

#

Have you never read the Java installer

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:13 PM

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But they don't

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

but they CAN

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

How many routers? Set top boxes? Smart speakers?

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

if it runs the jvm it can run the clr

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

Not necessarily

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

yes

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

Just because they can does not mean anything

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

A lot of them have custom JVMs

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

I'm assuming the Tech guy is completely and utterly not around any more? iirc you mentioned that before

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

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He is kind of around sometimes

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

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My router could theoretically run C# but if I want to dev for it I am not porting it over I just want to write Java

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:15 PM

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But he's a busy man and about to be furloughed

#

So we'll see

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:15 PM

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(I do NOT want to write Java this is just an example)

#

(I would use Kotlin)

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:15 PM

#

if it can run the normal jvm then it can run the clr

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Nobody's written a C# runtime - and it does need a runtime - on these platforms

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:16 PM

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i mean there are embedded c# runtimes

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theres also coreRT if you wanted that

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Have you ever watched a movie on Blu-ray? All Blu-ray players run Java applications from the discs

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:16 PM

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whihc is an AOT compiler for c#

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Yeah and now you have to port it to this low powered machine that probably doesn't even have libc

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But hey, we can just pay Oracle to port the JVM over

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We have all these Java developers

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:17 PM

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yucky

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:17 PM

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It's cheaper to pay Oracle to do that than hire more developers probably

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And that's more or less what happened

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:18 PM

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It's cheaper to pay Oracle
you just summed up their buisness model

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Yep

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I always build against OpenJDK personally

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:18 PM

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same

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on the rare times i need java

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its alwasy openJDK

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I do love Kotlin

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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my last project used antlr

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that was a pain

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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You poor soul

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I've been there

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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lol

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Except they weren't using Java

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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i enjoyed it tbh

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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They were using Clojure

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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i was using the antlr C# bindings

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Which is a whole other level of bullshit

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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so it wasnt the worst thing

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Clojure is kind of a messed up object oriented lisp

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Which should tell you all you need to know

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:20 PM

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i have no expereince

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otherthen hearing people bitch about it

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Well here's a question for you

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Does this make sense to you? (+ 2 3)

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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wtf, are the + lvalue and rvalue both on the right lol

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or is it currying

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Neither

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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im assumign thats a curried +

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wut

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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This is an S-expression

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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oh boy

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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is the function

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The other two are the arguments

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That's lisp

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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ya ok thats what i was saying

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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This is OK

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Lisp is a functional language and this suits that

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But then you take it and slap it on top of java

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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ya thats similar to caml

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kinda

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:22 PM

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If you're on the JVM you get interoperability so you're going to add that

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And then suddenly we have a . and a .. function

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For attribute access

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And then we can defclass

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And it's just stupid. It's stupid.

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:23 PM

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and this was for antlr?

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:23 PM

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It was for a payment switching application

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That had a DSL made with ANTLR yeah

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:23 PM

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what did you need parsing for?

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ohh

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thats kinda cool tho

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:23 PM

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They also flew out the guy that wrote Apache tapestry instead of using a sane web framework because nobody could figure out how to use it

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:24 PM

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i enjoy writing grammars tbh

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I'm not a big fan, but ANTLR makes sense

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:24 PM

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my goal in life is to be so niche that i get flown out for shit like that

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:24 PM

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They really didn't need to

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There are so many better frameworks

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Haha

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:25 PM

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maybe ill write a random lang then charge people to use it

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ohh wait thats oracle

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Spark for example, I used that in JourneyMap

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:25 PM

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wuts journey map

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:25 PM

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It's a Minecraft mod, popular minimap mod

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It has a webmap so that uses Spark

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Ahhh

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I c the java connection then

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Yep, but I'm actually using Kotlin

#

Totally worth

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I’ve heard from some people they kotlin for java stuff

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I haven’t tried it but the little I’ve seen kotlin looks nice

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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That is mostly the point of Kotlin

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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It's really nice

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It's like Java, but fun

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I’m writing a swift app atm

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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JVM without the bad lang

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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When i can get the courage to deal with Xcode

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I wish cheap Macs existed so I could test my shit on macs

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But alas, apple is greedy

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:29 PM

#

I mean u could hackintosh pro

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Prob

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I tried

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I can't get an up to date image and they're not legal either way

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Gotta own a Mac and dump it yourself

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:30 PM

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True

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It’s a walled garden

#

I have a mid 14 mbp

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Would DMing someone where to find the latest images be against rule 5

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:30 PM

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That tbh is still killing it Mostly

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Probably

gritty mulch Apr 26, 2020, 6:32 PM

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That was a totally unrelated question but I will make sure to not do that in the future

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Haha

#

It is weird, though, I get that Apple are very much selling their OS

#

But like

#

Surely helping developers to write Mac software only benefits them

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:33 PM

#

You’d think

#

I wish they’d be like new Microsoft

#

Tbh Microsoft is great to devs these days

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:34 PM

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They want Mac software to be designed for mac - rather than just general software that runs on a mac

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:34 PM

#

I suppose.

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:35 PM

#

swift is nice

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But xcode is dog shit imo

#

ESP after using vs or jetbrains stuff

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

#

Xcode is infamous for being bad

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

#

Is xcode an IDE? If so, I didn't even realise - its just something weird I had to install to be able to run certain code when I was using a mac

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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https://twitter.com/textfromxcode?lang=en

Text from Xcode (@textfromxcode)

Xcode has started sending me text messages. No, I don't know how

Tweets

204

Followers

3372

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It is yeah

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

#

It’s an ide

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

#

📎 DEU1ImiUQAA9kdH.jpg

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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It’s the only way to deploy apps

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Typical stuff

tardy wind Apr 26, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Well that’s not the ide

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That’s the compiler

#

The swift compiler int oerfect FOR SIRE

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Isn’t

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Can’t type

astral sky Apr 26, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I know this is really off topic but i need help please lol -- 4=7/x-6 solve for x. I am having trouble with this even though it it super simple

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:54 PM

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4   = 7/x - 6
10  = 7/x    | + 6
10x = 7      | * x
x   = 0.7    | /10

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@astral sky

astral sky Apr 26, 2020, 6:56 PM

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the 7 is over the x and the -6 my bad i couldnt type that in

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 6:57 PM

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The way I tried to do it in #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval was doomed to fail

#

(im not good at math)

#

Right

wheat lynx Apr 26, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Why maths when you can brute force?

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 6:57 PM

#

I remember that from math class now\

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Its just been too long

#

haha

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:57 PM

#

4 = 7/(x-6)```?

#

like that

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 6:57 PM

#

Hey, I have a skill set.

#

Its not math

astral sky Apr 26, 2020, 6:57 PM

#

yes

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its in my final and i cant figure it out

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:59 PM

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17/4? Not sure..

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 6:59 PM

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4      =  7/(x-6)
4(x-6) = 7        | * (x-6)
4x-24  = 7        | expand
4x     = 31       | +24
x      = 31/4

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Ah, damn

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 7:00 PM

#

I should take some online math classes. Im sure I could put it to better use than I did when I originally learned it. I was an English major. I read a lot of books.

astral sky Apr 26, 2020, 7:00 PM

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@undone berry you sir are a hero and my day is saved

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thank you to all of you that helped out lmao i had no other options to try and find help

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:01 PM

#

reading books is more fun than maths

#

unless you have to read books

#

in which case, its very unfun

#

so I guess an English major is a mixed bag

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 7:01 PM

#

When you're in lit classes, its mainly the speed with which you have to read many books.

#

Of course, its overall an easier class to bullshit than math by far

#

reading a book you don't enjoy is not a fun experience

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I'd definitely enjoy studiyng English more than I would studying CS - but I want a job, so CS is the better choice

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 7:02 PM

#

Right haha

#

I wish I had realized how much I would like this stuff when I was older. But eh.

#

The thing is

#

Younger me wouldnt have been into it as much

#

So its irrelevant

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:03 PM

#

I enjoy softwarey stuff as a hobby - but honestly, doing it for a job fulltime seems so fucking dull to me

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:13 PM

#

Depends what you're doing and how much freedom you have really

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

I don't enjoy reading books as much as I do problem solving

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:17 PM

#

that I can agree with

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:37 PM

#

hey @undone berry since you're doing math, maybe you can help me with something?

#

I'm trying to figure out how the hell I'm going to calculate the progress of this image stitching process

#

it has the concept of tiles in rows and columns, but images must be written by pixel

#

which means going along the first row of pixels in the first row of images, and so on

#

it's not possible to say what column we're in basically

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:40 PM

#

hm - I'm not entirely sure I follow the problem

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

well let's say we have x rows and x columns

#

that means the total tiles is rows * columns, right?

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

Yeah, sure

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

but then like, how do I count up to that

#

it's not going to be currentRow + currentColumn right?

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:42 PM

#

currentRow*rowLength + currentColumn

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 7:42 PM

#

I think that working in software as a job does sound depressing, especially if you're a person with my views. Most likely your job is manipulating people into doing things that arent good for them.

#

Not judging anyone but...

#

Yeah

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

Yep, that did do it

#

Thanks \o/

astral sky Apr 26, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

I just finished and got a 100 on my final. thanks again guys i really couldnt have done it without you

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

Working with arcade for the last week has made me do so much annoying stuff with rows columns and pixels - I'm glad that one was simple

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:44 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

I can't get my head around that kind of math for no good reason really

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:46 PM

#

@rough sapphire It seems like both the day to day process of working in software would get tedious after some amount of time, and that a very high proportion of software jobs are doing stuff that is, uh, not making a positive difference.

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 7:55 PM

#

What kind of final is that? @astral sky

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

That math didn't quite work

#

as you can see

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rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

In the book Im reading right now, "Snow Crash," the writer is clearly a software dev at his day job.

#

And he says, "Hackers are essentially glorified assembly line workers."

#

Hes obviously speaking about software dev through some cyberpunk lens when he calls them hackers

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

Hm - I'm struggling to see why that didn't work

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:58 PM

#


val progressMax = (rows * columns).toLong()

// ...

val progress = (row.toLong() * rows) + column
task.updateMessage("Current tile: $progress / $progressMax")

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

row.toLong() * columns

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

oh, derp

#

columns

undone berry Apr 26, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

it was kinda my bad rowLength wasn't the clearest way of phrasing it - Lukas' was better

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

Yeah, that looks correct

#

\o/

#

Thanks, again

#

📎 2020-04-26_21-01-35.mp4

#

Still some things to iron out but it's basically done now

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

Nice

#

are those all the chunks you have visited?

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

Yeah

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

Can I ask what you used to make that and reduce it to a file size conducive to sharing it here?

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

ShareX

#

that's all

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 8:04 PM

#

I'll look at it.

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 8:04 PM

#

These are my recording options

📎 unknown.png

#

📎 unknown.png

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 8:06 PM

#

I've been using Windows more frequently lately because I'm playing a video game so it might work out.

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 8:06 PM

#

I'm a huge fan of sharex

#

there's basically nothing like it on linux

rough sapphire Apr 26, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

Linux has some fine screen recording options, the problem is visual disturbances that often pop up. Im my opinion OBS is probably the best software for recording your screen, assuming you are also wanting to broadcast it as a good quality, but... I dont get the same results on Linux. I think Id like to try it with proprietary nvidia drivers and see if it works any better some time

#

But yeah, thats another thing I would more likely just do from Windows because it has support.

sand goblet Apr 26, 2020, 8:08 PM

#

I had similar issues on Linux yeah

errant marten Apr 27, 2020, 1:02 AM

#

Hello! can i get help with C#?

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 6:17 AM

#

!ask

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#

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rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 6:17 AM

#

:)

#

pretty sure my neighbor is keeping a cow

#

it's the only way I can reasonably explain these noises

lost bay Apr 27, 2020, 7:05 AM

#

Hii everyone

#

Has anyone tried automating whatsapp using python

#

As in, fetch details of a person if he/she is online or not

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 7:28 AM

#

Has anyone tried automating whatsapp using python
@lost bay WhatsApp have always been pretty big on not allowing automation, even as far as taking entities to court

#

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bleak lintel Apr 27, 2020, 7:46 AM

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there is this however https://www.twilio.com/whatsapp

Twilio

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rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 8:38 AM

#

1 advantage of windows over arch
you can use your motherboard display for dual monitor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662296359440875540/704249394421170216/Screenshot_1.png

solid pollen Apr 27, 2020, 8:40 AM

#

Aaaahh, I have 120Gb on the wrong disk

#

I hate the fstab

#

I manage to always mess it up even if it is mostly autogenerated by the partition manager

#

And I apparently can’t label NTFS partitions

gentle moss Apr 27, 2020, 8:59 AM

#

that's...

#

that's not an advantage of windows

#

you can use split GPU's on linux too

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 9:10 AM

#

um

#

yeah

#

you can definitely also do that in linux

#

in fact i'm currently doing it

gentle moss Apr 27, 2020, 9:21 AM

#

what up xx

#

how's it going?

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 9:23 AM

#

its going ok, im porting my android privesc to my new phone

#

hbu?

gentle moss Apr 27, 2020, 9:24 AM

#

the usual. lack of motivation to do stuff atm.

#

although we made a kilo of pulled pork yesterday, so i'm pleased about that

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 9:24 AM

#

majorly misread that at first and thought you were talking about git

gentle moss Apr 27, 2020, 9:25 AM

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a kilo of pull requests

#

:D

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 9:25 AM

#

I need to step away from a computer for a while and take a hike

#

"pulled pork" = "pulled a fork" in my head 😞

gentle moss Apr 27, 2020, 9:25 AM

#

well you could pull a fork to pull the pork

#

so much friggin washing up though

#

gonna take a couple of hours to get through it :/

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 9:28 AM

#

okay, I've just had an idea for an invention

#

it's a washing machine, but instead of laundry, you put dishes in there

#

and it washes the dishes for you

plain slate Apr 27, 2020, 9:28 AM

#

bro

#

revolutionary

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 9:28 AM

#

DON'T STEAL

#

patent pending

gentle moss Apr 27, 2020, 9:28 AM

#

well

#

you reckon if i put enough towels in with the plates it'll clean em?

#

the plates not the towels

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 9:29 AM

#

it would probably also clean the towels

gentle moss Apr 27, 2020, 9:29 AM

#

added bonus

#

that's efficiency for you

#

idk where i'm gonna get plate softener though

#

for that fresh plate smell

solid pollen Apr 27, 2020, 11:19 AM

#

Hmm, wonder how hard is ruby to learn

#

It looks pretty straightforward

#

I'd like to write a sketchup plug-in

#

Hmmmm.

#

Anybody would know a good and fast tutorial?

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:41 AM

#

why is stack address starting from low , when stack start from high address and goes to lower address

📎 unknown.png

#

HIGHEST ADDRESS

📎 unknown.png

#

stack should start from 0xc0000000 (highest addresss ) then end at 0xbffeb000 shouldnt it?

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

what exactly is the question

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

stack should start from 0xc0000000 (highest addresss ) then end at 0xbffeb000 shouldnt it?

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

okay so you want to flip those two

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

why is gdb showing the opposite

#

is it error

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

very likely not an error

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

why

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

thinking.

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:51 AM

#

ok

#

i m trying to learn Stack Pointer , Base Pointer and Stack for last few days but still i am just getting headache

#

i watched that video 5 times, still i m not getting it

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

ok so make sure you understand what the bottom and top mean here

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

??

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

does "stack grows from the bottom" mean they are adding to the stack from the bottom relative to the stack

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:55 AM

#

like adding plate on table (adding data from bottom) ?

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:55 AM

#

yes

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

#

so first plate has highest or lowest address

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

#

I don't know what they mean but that's what I'm wondering about that are they growing the stack "from the bottom"

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:57 AM

#

i m still confused , i seriously need some materials to learn about ESP,EBP, stack frame and stack. Where did u learn stack from? can u provide me links

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

me?

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

anyone

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

don't remember

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

ok

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

from some course on operating systems probably

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

can u help me in esp

#

wait

#

what is value of esp first one or second

📎 unknown.png

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 11:59 AM

#

i don't remember those things at all

#

i never bothered to learn the registers or that stuff since i never needed it really

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 11:59 AM

#

ok

#

if anyone's online maybe they can help

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 12:00 PM

#

did you watch the video on the memory stuff

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 12:00 PM

#

yes skipped some part (some was too basic but idk what 50's represent)

#

like debug50 and other 50's

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

#

the 50 in the cs50 stands for a course number in that university. the lower the number, the more basic the stuff is

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

#

ok

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

#

@rough sapphire i got some data

#

The computer's stack lives at the very top addresses of memory not at bottom

#

also i made a important note

#

Pushing decreases SP address in stack and popping increases it

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

#

@low shadow well yes?

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

#

the video isnt correct

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

#

uhh

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

#

the video says it lives at bottom of memory which is wrong

#

thus i was confused

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

#

now

#

it "GROWS from the bottom"

#

that means the other end is shut

#

and the open end is at the bottom

#

you're reading it wrong.

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

#

oh

rough sapphire Apr 27, 2020, 12:36 PM

#

so don't say "the video is wrong" before you've thought it through

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 12:36 PM

#

ok

solid pollen Apr 27, 2020, 1:05 PM

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I saw the word "stack" so I need to post the bast stack illustration ever https://robocrop.realpython.net/?url=https%3A//files.realpython.com/media/How-to-Use-Stacks-in-Python_Watermarked.d22262707558.jpg&w=480&sig=cf0e818fce39ab8386b06be2fa3774c094e33e34

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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oh yes i got the whole damn thing now

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the whole damn stack frame, esp , ebp and eip

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yes

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yeah

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the best tutorial ever

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https://zhu45.org/posts/2017/Jul/30/understanding-how-function-call-works/

Understanding how function call works

This is the homepage of Zeyuan Hu

plucky ridge Apr 27, 2020, 1:07 PM

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I always think of it as a stack of plates that you slowly build

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 1:07 PM

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i know how is stack

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but i was confused about stack in assembly

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how upside down it is

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and what does ebp and esp do

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but this post is best , it teaches very well

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i was trying to learn this from 3 days

plucky ridge Apr 27, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Oh, I wasn't doubting you knew it, I was more just expressing how I thought of it

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Since you keep putting plates one after another on top of each other and you don't want to take stuff out of the middle else you'll have a bunch of plates crashing down onto you

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 1:13 PM

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hmm

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The problem with other sources is that it teaches in such a damn language (i prefer to call it documentation language) which is very very very difficult to understand. Like read this description from <https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2008/readings/i386/CALL.htm> .You cant understand in your entire life. However the page i showed you teached in very friendly manner.

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like this call function from this website can be explained as```
1)First it pushes the address of the next instruction, which is the return address, onto the stack.
2)Then, it modifies the instruction pointer %eip
to point to the start of the function.

plucky ridge Apr 27, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Well in fairness, that page is about incredibly lower level processor codes

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 1:15 PM

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i never understand documentations, do u hemlock

plucky ridge Apr 27, 2020, 1:15 PM

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And it's understandable, you just have to take a decent amount of time of it

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But it's certainly not a good starting place when trying to understand that stuff

low shadow Apr 27, 2020, 1:16 PM

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ok

plucky ridge Apr 27, 2020, 1:18 PM

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But in fairness, I generally only understand the broad strokes of a lot of these concepts

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I never studied a lot of the computer science stuff, so it's a bit out of my wheel house