i'm reading the channel and somehow getting more confused with context
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
gentle moss
because he wants a script to take a screenshot and then upload it to a server
what's the point of saving it to the drive?
store it in mem and upload it
low shadow
they confused me with variable and screenshot , i was asking nasm
rough sapphire
rofl
rough sapphire
@low shadow it was nothing to do with your asm, this was just related to the topic of "things you shouldn't do"
gentle moss
it's sorta related
low shadow
generally all people advice me
rough sapphire
don't be that guy Machineyadav
gentle moss
because you shouldn't pipe stderr to null
low shadow
so i thought this time too
because you shouldn't pipe stderr to null
@gentle moss i dont want error in my screen what should i do
solid pollen
Errors are important yknow
gentle moss
if you're writing some ASM
and you're getting errors
maybe fix the errors
rather than hiding them
low shadow
👍
solid pollen
Did you even read them?
solid pollen
So.. get rid of that nullbyte
rough sapphire
oh yeah, on the topic of why it was a bad idea: generally, shells can't contain null bytes
the only reason my script works is because i use zsh
zsh is fine with null bytes
rough sapphire
how do you rate zsh? i kinda wanna try it
low shadow
i was asking if null byte prodcues stderr why does 2>/dev/null doesnt work
rough sapphire
i enjoy it. My whole setup is built around zsh, so I'm sort of biased
gentle moss
because you're trying to echo out null bytes
gentle moss
the error is occurring outside your asm program because your program is producing null bytes that can't be evaluated
low shadow
ok
solid pollen
zsh is bash, but with some nifty upgrades, right?
gentle moss
it looks too sleek for me
rough sapphire
zsh is not bash
gentle moss
not retro enough
solid pollen
It isn't POSIX compliant?
gentle moss
hah
rough sapphire
zsh isn't posix compliant by default, but you can enable posix-compliant mode
what OS btw?
gentle moss
you could probably fix the null byte issue using translate
rough sapphire
i use arch btw
oak tangle
obviously
low shadow
you could probably fix the null byte issue using translate
@gentle moss you mean `tr
solid pollen
Or... don't make nullbytes
gentle moss
probably not.
low shadow
then?
gentle moss
i have a feeling if i tell you then you'll not fix your shit
you'll just use my hacky patch
low shadow
ok dont tell me
rough sapphire
i'm going to start a "don't use null bytes" counter
solid pollen
Yknow, there is also a built in help in almost all command line tool
low shadow
tell me this why is nasm trying to open .o file when i provide .asm file previously when i used the command no error occured . I tried googling but no answer
nasm: fatal: unable to open output file `asm.o'
i provided input asm.asm
solid pollen
The file already exist?
gentle moss
or maybe the file doesn't exist and it doesn't have permission to create it
low shadow
which file .o or .asm
solid pollen
Bisk, it is kali
low shadow
oh got it
low shadow
chmod: changing permissions of 'asm2.asm': Read-only file system
chmod: changing permissions of 'asm3.asm': Read-only file system
chmod: changing permissions of 'asm4.asm': Read-only file system
chmod: changing permissions of 'asm.asm': Read-only file system
chmod: changing permissions of 'notes.txt': Read-only file system
gentle moss
oh hey look at that
low shadow
this is the error
solid pollen
Oh oh
low shadow
no its becuase i hibernated windows rather than shutdown
solid pollen
Looks like running everything as root wasn't the smartest idea
low shadow
and so when i mounted i got read only error
solid pollen
Wait what
low shadow
its
and so when i mounted i got read only error
@low shadow its smart ok ok type
solid pollen
You're on a ntfs partition?
low shadow
yes
gentle moss
okay
low shadow
its because of hibernation
solid pollen
You are looking for troubles here
gentle moss
linux does not play very well with NTFS
low shadow
hmm
gentle moss
especially with permissions
solid pollen
try to ntfsfix it maybe
low shadow
for those who think i run root
solid pollen
Then don't do that haha
low shadow
rough sapphire
is that your 10th dark machine?
low shadow
no first
low shadow
lol
i use darkmachinex whenever i m doing online stuff, so no one can rev shell root user
soft violet
I use a light machine.
low shadow
and i have changed chown and chmod to have darkmachinex less access
soft violet
I call it a torch.
solid pollen
Haha
soft violet
It has a geared hand crank on it. So it qualifies as mechanic.
low shadow
@gentle moss your chmod solved my problem thanks
👍
is 0xa producing null byte
segment .text
global _start ;must be declared
_start:
mov edx,varmsglength
mov ecx,varmsg
mov ebx,1
mov eax,4
int 0x80
mov eax,1
int 0x80
segment .data
varmsg dw 'Hello World', 0xa
varmsglength equ $ - varmsg
Isn't that CR LF, silly me
low shadow
then where is nullbyte
gentle moss
hmmm
low shadow
and how do i get error
solid pollen
It is LF
gentle moss
yeah
gentle moss
no
gentle moss
linux uses LF not CR+LF
solid pollen
CRLF (EOL) is win, LF is linux
low shadow
ok
how can i remove null byte from that program any assembly programmer
ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol lf64; defaulting to 0000000000401000
bash: warning: command substitution: ignored null byte in input
Hello World
i'm out of ideas then
solid pollen
Your compiler settings seems wrong too, it should name the symbol _entry to lf64 but it does not
I mean, at this point, use a debugger
low shadow
i was learning gdb but not fully, 10% learnt
thanks for suggestion
better to use tr now
solid pollen
No it is not
solid pollen
It is like hiding the mess and hoping for the best as you could have just cleaned it
low shadow
reddit is fun place
It is like hiding the mess and hoping for the best as you could have just cleaned it
@solid pollen though program works , let it work why bother
solid pollen
Stepping with the debugger is way easier
solid pollen
Because it will strike back in the future
low shadow
ok
gentle moss
if you only learn to jury rig then you'll go forward never learning proper methods.
low shadow
whats jury rig
solid pollen
a tr
gentle moss
the improper way of doing stuff
gentle moss
👌
soft violet
jerry rig, too
gentle moss
same thing, isn't it?
soft violet
Yes. That's my point. I was just expanding.
low shadow
Jury rigging (also called "jerry rigging") is both a noun and a verb describing makeshift repairs made with only the tools and materials at hand.
gentle moss
i wonder where jerry came from then
low shadow
gotit
soft violet
I would have thought it a bastardisation of the pronunciation. Boats, though. Okay.
gentle moss
using spare sails as main sails apparently.
soft violet
Unless Jury rigging was a semantic drift thing, given the similar sound.
Etymology is fun.
low shadow
now soon i will get reply , though i cant ask on stackoverflow
gentle moss
pretty much jury rigging
low shadow
jerry rigging is good
gentle moss
well that's totally related to the conversation.
hmm, i should get a macgyver box set
if you wrap a URL in < > it wont embed.
low shadow
good
gentle moss
👍
rough sapphire
https://arse.ee/SgPQGQKG.png guess what i'm about to do
gentle moss
break shit
pine vector
become angry? 😄
rough sapphire
not only am i installing debian packages, i'm installing packages which install kernel drivers
gentle moss
mad lad
rough sapphire
shit is about to break hard
pine vector
archunutu was born! 😄
gentle moss
b̶͂͛ẗ̴́̚w̷̅̾ ̵̎͂i̴͂̈́ ̷̑̍u̶͋̊s̸͐͘e̶͐͐ ̶͑͗ȧ̵͠r̸͚͆c̶̀͗ḧ̴́̓b̷̈́̅u̸̽̀ṅ̴̊t̸͋̕u̸̔̚
gentle moss
ahhh
rough sapphire
which means it should be compatible with my system as long as i feed it the correct kernel headers
we'll see
gentle moss
what's it for?
pine vector
the first rule of Arch Club is...
rough sapphire
GPU drivers
gentle moss
i'm curious to see how this goes
rough sapphire
to be more specific, the "pro" (proprietary) variant of the drivers which stack on top of the open-source ones
which includes opencl support among other things
https://arse.ee/NVM57nEN.png damn it feels good to be a gangsta
gentle moss
:D
rough sapphire
https://arse.ee/BWWxkaAO.png well that's not good
https://arse.ee/Sv65JPdZ.png i doubt i'm running out of memory... what's going on here?
rough sapphire
sure, let me just solder more VRAM onto the GPU board
rough sapphire
i-
tranquil orchid
wheres the toucan
tacit flint
indeed
rough sapphire
i'm doing ansible and i'm scared
soft violet
@rough sapphire Why scared?
rough sapphire
- i have no idea what i'm doing or supposed to be doing
- i was just thrown in here with no guidelines on how to operate this thing
- i was warned that if i make a typo i'll blow everything up on the management server, but i forgot what that typo was
oh and also the deadline's in a few days and i haven't even started my thing yet
soft violet
I had a friend client who sometimes puts on concerts. Large but not megaconcert portable stage, solid crowd. She would use this events/ticket sales site that you feed info and graphics in and you'd get your event page. There were always these little changes that she'd want, like bigger photos or changes to the way the site worked. Now, this was very much a template website thing, not a whole heap of changing what you want just anywhere. But, aha, what's this? The ability to include javascript into certain header sections? So here's me, thinking I'm bring very clever, tweaking things to work the way we want. For the most part, I am. I've never done js, but I did an okay job of it. That is until I changed one tiny little thing which, by rights, oughtn't have had the kind of impact it did...it was just a bit of displayed text that we wanted to be different. But something somewhere, elsewhere in the code, relied on it saying precisely what it did. So it broke the ticketing sales process. It wasn't even really a part of it, but it broke it. Lost a day of sales, there, by the time I figured it out. Client called me and the site's tech trying to figure out why it wasn't working. Made up for it, but no lasting harm done.
Mistakes happen. If you make sure there's a way to keep track of them and to have backups and testbed servers, well, cast into the deep end, maybe that's the best you can do. ...and if you fuck up and get fired, well, maybe you'll lose your job and be homeless and get sick and die. Nothing more for you to worry about.
lime gazelle
Okie so, a person in a roguelike server tried to explain to me grammar based generation and gave me this example
def digit():
for d in [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]:
yield d
def number():
yield from digit()
for n in number():
for d in digit():
yield n*10 + d
print(n)
for output in number():
print(output)```Can yall help me understand it better? I understand that the first yield in def_number returns a list of digits 0..9
But I don't understand how the for loop works. I tried printing the n and I deduced that it goes from 0..9 but singularly. Idk why though, since it seems to be similar to the first yield
also I don't understand what does for n in number() does
it calls the function, okie, but then? what does it return? 
soft violet
Convoluted bastardry.
wheat lynx
Uhh that is not nice, first it might help if you replace digit() with [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]. So you know that the first 10 yielded values will be numbers 0 to 9. Then you are going for n in number(): which will have n as values from 0-9 because it is yield from digit().
This is really hard to explain
lime gazelle
Yeah I thought as much, but it's really hard to follow
Also idk how good of an example it is of grammar based generation
onyx imp
is there supposed to be some pattern to the output?
basically when you see yield in the function you can almost treat it like a list
like you can use digit() in a for loop like would with a list
except the elements of the list are calculated by everytime that function yields something
so for n in number() is just going to run the number() function and everytime you see yield that's what you're getting as the next element of the for loop
i never heard of grammar based generation though
it's weird though because the function output seems pointless so it doesn't really tell me why it's useful to do things that way
lime gazelle
I was asking about how to generate something like a casino procedurally, because it has a very specific strucuture
And they said I could use grammar based generation to..well..One sec I'll paste
So, for instance, the same way it's often encoded into the grammar of a programming language that you can't assign to an rvalue, it's encoded in your map grammar that eg. a kitchen doesn't have a door leading directly to a bedroom.
Context-free grammars have this useful property that they work both ways - you can use a grammar to check if an input is valid and parse it into a syntax tree, but you can also use a grammar to enumerate all valid sentences in it.```and googling "grammar based generation" doesn't yield (eheh) anything useful
nevermind I found a bunch of stuff
Guess this jam will be all about reading stuff
lime gazelle
I know nothing about procedural stuff, I'm a newbie
but I'm excited to learn!
I've found a stackexchange thread and I'll try and study if
soft violet
I've had a fair bit of fun with cellular propagation and with L-systems.
soft violet
You may also have heard of IFS. Similar or identical deal.
lime gazelle
Not really
soft violet
The fun thing is, the axiom string can be very simple. Even with simple translation rules, after a few iterations, things can become highly complex.
soft violet
It is. It's a dangerous road.
lime gazelle
Why?
soft violet
Because you start seeing fractals everywhere.
EVERYWHERE.
Just walking down the road, minding your own business. You might walk past a lovely tree and BAM....you've been L-system'd.
You wake up from your shock, laying on the grass...
Too late, again.
soft violet
Mm. You've got to watch out for the Sierpinski gasket, too. It will haunt you and will pop up everywhere when you're playing with l-sys stuff.
soft violet
Conway's Game of Life is a decent introduction to cellular automata, and topical.
Though I used my cellular propogation stuff to draw pretty pictures with pretty colours.
lime gazelle
I need something to place walls in the rooms
like inside, like divide the rooms in chunks
BSP could be used but I don't want boxes.
sand goblet
@verbal pier This is the third time you've DM'd me a Python question unsolicited.
If you need help, please ask your question in one of the two available help channels in the "Available" category.
verbal pier
i m really sorry for this
rich hinge
rough sapphire
@sand goblet @verbal pier I've told you multiple times before to stop DMing people directly https://arse.ee/mQ8D8Z7a.png https://arse.ee/Z6w4bxAO.png
so can you please stop?
verbal pier
i am really sorry for this
rough sapphire
Don't be sorry, just don't do it
You will be more likely to get help from the help channels in this server
rather than DMing random people directly, who might not appreciate it
sand goblet
Well at least it isn't just me lol
sinful turtle
would there be any way to make a terminal client for discord without it breaking the ToS?
rough sapphire
nope.
sinful turtle
oh that's great
rough sapphire
i don't really know where they draw the distinction, though
is a terminal application which sends keypresses to a legitimate discord client window a "custom client"?
but i feel like that's bending the rules
sinful turtle
I was thinking of a kind of wrapper around the website
rough sapphire
and trying hard to circumvent the tos
sinful turtle
because terminal web browser already sort-of exist
rough sapphire
I imagine they also count wrappers for legitimate clients under "custom clients"
as you're using that wrapper to communicate with discord, and not the client directly
sinful turtle
but like
if I used a terminal webbrowser to use discord
would that be allowed under ToS?
rough sapphire
good luck trying to get terminal-based web browsers to play nicely with js and websockets :)
sinful turtle
good point
sand goblet
I think elinks does support JS
foggy kiln
if you want to use nodejs online, try glitch.com
it supports node versions 10+
and is free
solid pollen
I just want discord on my kindle haha
undone berry
is it e-ink or an actual screen?
rough sapphire
e-ink iirc
gentle moss
depends which version?
i swear they did a cheap one in the kindle range which was just a normal screen
sand goblet
they do actual tablets yeah
kindle fire are tablets with normal screens
everything else is e-ink
grave phoenix
Can I see the toucan?
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire You feeling any better than you were earlier?
pseudo crystal
For what it's worth @rough sapphire, I can definitely relate to how that feels. I suffered from some rather serious depression issues not all that long ago, prior to getting involved with CPython. Life was just feeling without meaning and I felt drained of energy 24/7. I don't know if it would help your situation (it may not at all), but spending my energy towards something greater than myself helped significantly and made me feel like my life had an actual purpose.
rough sapphire
thanks for the advice @pseudo crystal, means a lot
soft violet
The software they use in those experiments where they get an environment pretty close to 0K?
frosty berry
in the end, computers are just very intricate clocks
anyway, came to share this, didn't know b0rk had this little flashcard website to learn about subjects 🙂 https://flashcards.wizardzines.com/
soft violet
"in the end, computers are just very intricate clocks"
Which is why, when somebody needs to cool their heels, they're put into time out?
My first flashcards were, I believe, Japanese language ones.
gusty oar
Python
@sand goblet yea its definitely lot more prettier than java 😄
clear plume
rough sapphire
in the end, computers are just very intricate clocks
@frosty berry ironically, computers fucking SUCK at keeping time
agile jolt
Hi guys I have a quick question
Can I min and max of randrange and add them as values in my print so it reflects if I change it
frosty berry
@rough sapphire i think if you apply the same standard to them, almost all clocks do
gentle moss
pfffft
one of the most curious artifacts of computer clocking i remember is Windows servers
pre-server 2016 the clocks would drift like a mother fucker
and, for some reason i still don't quite get, getting them to properly sync with an NTP server was nigh on impossible.
had to use 3rd party tools on more than 1 occasion
rough sapphire
https://arse.ee/F7TBGmhO.png bought a new phone because that's what i do when i'm on express depress
sand goblet
A damn fine phone though
tribal gale
Hey, I was curious about how those apps work that lets a user see who is not following back and other nifty features. I can see how it can be made in python with selenium but I wanted to learn how can it be done on android devices.
sand goblet
Didn't Weird Al do a version of that song, bisk?
More or less the same way, Avinash..
And they mostly break the terms of service for the sites they operate on too
tribal gale
ic
I've been learning flutter sdk lately hence wanted to do some serious project like it
is there any python module to implement selenium like control on mobile devices, specifically android?
sand goblet
I believe that library would be selenium
tribal gale
selenium is supported for android? O_O How would one end up implementing it with flutter front end?
I've never worked with python on android
rough sapphire
@tribal gale by "selenium-like", do you still mean web applications?
or do you want to interface with the android UI?
ie arbitrary apps
tribal gale
initially I was only interested in web application but if we can interact with the android UI then let me know that as well. Sounds like a fun thing to mess around with!
gentle moss
[11:42] gdude: Didn't Weird Al do a version of that song, bisk?
you mean hardware store @sand goblet ?
sand goblet
one week
rough sapphire
function generateError(message: string, code: number) {
throw { message: message, errorCode: code };
}
generateError("Fucking error", 300);
This is giving me the string representation uncaught exception [object Object] instead of the actual object (with no way to access its props). Is that normal behaviour because the lesson seems to indicate that there should be an actual object no its string repr.
undone berry
Hm, I'm not super familiar with TS - but in JS in the Chrome console that works as you'd expect
rough sapphire
Hrrm maybe let me try a different console
Weirdly in chrome it does work fine.
yeah, really it doesnt matter.
It was an excuse for a situation to teach the never type in TS
(which is a strange type you can give to a function return value that declares that it should never return).
I was just wondering why I was not getting what the instructor was getting
its a browser thing
Also weirdly enough
If you catch it in firefox it will give you the object
Its only if you dont catch it that it just shows you [object Object]
I guess they figure theres no reason to be throwing uncaught errors.
that's true.
oh wait, I forgot to transpile
yeah new Error works but you cant pass it an object
It doesnt matter though, its just a strange oddity
with a class and class NewError extends Error? I havent done that yet but I know you can
Indeed haha
rough sapphire
why does windows automatically change my time to negative three hours of what it actually is
pine vector
because it knows better. duh. 😄
plucky ridge
Might need to change what time server you're syncing with
rough sapphire
is it a dualboot system?
Mine does that too.
I have to check time.org for the actual time when im on windows because its just never right.
I havent exactly tried to solve it.
plucky ridge
Oh huh yeah, I think I do remember people mentioning that issue on dual boots...
sand goblet
@rough sapphire Windows assumes hardware clock set to UTC, linux assumes local time
or maybe it's the other way around
either way, that's your problem
solid pollen
I think it is the other way around
Linux the logical way, windows the... Microsoft way
rough sapphire
windows uses local time to preserve compatibility with windows 3.1
are you serious?
plucky ridge
Huh... I wonder how many machines even still run 3.1
sand goblet
I assume it's more than 0, but.. Not many
gentle moss
it
i
what?
it treats bios as local...
hang on...
run that by me again. i'm confused
gritty mulch
I live in the UK so it's not a problem for me...
For half of the year
sand goblet
I think some countries in the EU are stopping in 2021 or 2022
gentle moss
the UK does do DST
i always feel bad for people who live next to arizona
not just because... well.. arizona.
but they don't have DST
so there's the timezone thing to contend with
and the fact they ignore DST
also the US does DST earlier. 8th of March.
UK does it on the 29th
tbh i think it should fuck off. we don't need it anymore
and it's shitty to impose something that's intended for farmers on the rest of the populace
solid pollen
Does the UK do daylight savings?
@plucky ridge day-what ?
gentle moss
oh hello, it wasn't for farmers
Willett lobbied for the adoption of DST until his death from influenza in 1915 - just a year before it was adopted as a nationwide policy in the UK in an effort to reduce energy consumption and increase war production during WW1.
plucky ridge
Where you change your clock by an hour twice a year
Was it not?
Huh
I think it was for farmers in the US
"Spring forward, Fall back"
plucky ridge
I feel lied to
gentle moss
same
pine vector
i've always understood it being related to energy supply conservation. like, think street gaslights...
plucky ridge
In hindsight that does make more sense than "the farmers get more light" which makes little to no sense, given that they'd be setting their day to their needs anyway
pine vector
Germany Popularized DST
However, the idea did not catch on globally until Germany introduced DST in 1916. Clocks in the German Empire, and its ally Austria, were turned ahead by one hour on April 30, 1916—2 years into World War I. The rationale was to minimize the use of artificial lighting to save fuel for the war effort.
but apparently 🇨🇦 actually did it first:
...it is a little-known fact that a few hundred Canadians beat the German Empire by eight years. On July 1, 1908, the residents of Port Arthur, Ontario, today's Thunder Bay, turned their clocks forward by one hour to start the world's first DST period.
if only it gave you more time. why do we still allow Ra to dictate our Gregorian perception of time.
"Daylight Savings Time interest rates remain stagnant at 0%" seems like an Onion headline...
gentle moss
:D
plucky ridge
Yeah, what the hell Greg
....orian
Oh no wait
Greg or Ryan
There we go
nailed it
pine vector
lol
rough sapphire
DST - akin to cutting a few inches from the end of a scarf and sewing it to the other, and claiming it is a longer scarf
rough sapphire
@pine vector tbf your circadian rhythm and metabolism don't give a fuck what time it is
only when the sun is out
Eating hours outside of sunlight or routinely working nightshift cause an increase in rates of cancer, obesity, etc.
Not just because you eat like shit either, you literally get fatter eating the same thing at night as you do during the day.
pine vector
ok. i... was it the Ra comment? was the sarcasm not thick enough? 😄
rough sapphire
I think I'm going to be switching to VSCode for all the front end stuff I do....
I haven't really tried it with Python yet.
But basically, Microsoft maintains TypeScript and VSCode and it has pretty good built in linting. Not to mention it has live server extention. I'm pretty sure they own npm now as an extension of owning Github...
Part of me hates to be part of the corporate dystopia but like... its pretty useful. lol
rough sapphire
scss is hella weird.
lime gazelle
@sand goblet sorry to ping you. I do have a question. Is SLAM too hard for a newb to even attempt?
I have a sneaking suspicion it freakin is. But it looks very cool.
sand goblet
What's SLAM?
lime gazelle
Simultaneous Localization And Mapping
Like
Uhm
It's basically computer vision as I understand it
the robot/camera walks around and builds a map of its surroundings as it goes
sand goblet
I know some of these words
lime gazelle
Like idk if it's just, too out there
without formal education
Like I doubt there's "How to computer vision 101" somewhere
sand goblet
I have no experience with any of this
no problem
tacit flint
Can you remove code caves? If so, how?
rough sapphire
"remove code caves"?
what are you trying to do?
@lime gazelle hmm
@lime gazelle it's not too difficult if you make the problem reasonable. starting with full-scale videos\imgaes is probably too difficult.
@tacit flint or rather, why are you trying to do this?
@lime gazelle also it really depends on which parts of this you want to do. there exists libraries that can already do this for you.
I guess the problem might be the real-timeness 🤔
tacit flint
compression
rough sapphire
what do you think a code cave is?
tacit flint
extra space on an executable
solid pollen
I mean, I don't think there are some random empty spaces for no reason in executables, are there?
rough sapphire
it says "in the process's memory" on wikipedia
solid pollen
Ah, is that another term for memory fragmentation?
tacit flint
for no reason
but there is a reason
it says "in the process's memory" on wikipedia
but you can still have code caves in executable files
rough sapphire
@tacit flint so you want to compile into a smaller executable?
tacit flint
yes
solid pollen
So... If there's a reason, you should keep it, right?
rough sapphire
well, the proper way is to not link anything into the executable that is not absolutely necessary
or include
tacit flint
the purpose of code caves is so that there is space for some code to be patched
but i don't need to patch my executable, so it's useless for me
rough sapphire
how much do you expect to save space
tacit flint
50%
rough sapphire
from what amount
rough sapphire
this is C?
tacit flint
c++
but it doesn't really import stuff
tacit flint
the iobj file is 23 KB
rough sapphire
so after linking it gets squeezed to 3KB?
tacit flint
yeah
rough sapphire
I'm not sure how or why that makes sense 🤔
shouldn't it increase in size after linking
or does the linker do something like cut out additional things
that are not actually needed
tacit flint
rough sapphire
or is the OBJ file not stored as-such in the executable hmm
tacit flint
but i am still unsatisfied with the size
rough sapphire
try to figure out the relationship between your object files and your executable
what does your code do
what is it invoking
importing?
tacit flint
Well the source code calls windows.h and that bundles a lot of crap, which the linker removed
rough sapphire
okay so that's why the object file is so large
that's not what code caves are
if you have unused space in your binary, it's neglible at best and used for alignment purposes
rough sapphire
there are better ways of reducing size
tacit flint
such as?
lime gazelle
@rough sapphire Like...idk. I just seems like a cool thing. But maybe it's not for me.
I don't really know what I want to do. SLAM is very very cool, but maybe not my thing. Idk.
Like anything robotics is real nice. Pathfinding algos, SLAM, computer vision (which are kinda overlapping) and stuff like that. Real cool. Automation in general.
rough sapphire
@lime gazelle the cool stuff always starts from the basics
rough sapphire
i'm not strictly working in any of those but they kinda brush on the things I have worked with and am trying to apply for
what I can tell you is that you don't have to be a master of some magical thing to be able to do something with those
rough sapphire
the math part is kinda 50/60
there will be trouble if you don't know it, this is true.
but that doesn't mean you can't start writing code and making actually working things
lime gazelle
well that'd be useless
rough sapphire
is it
rough sapphire
but you will be learning all the time
lime gazelle
there are too many cool algos to do! And too much knowledge required!
Oof
But I'll try. I have to find something I really like
Which is not easy
rough sapphire
lime gazelle
Like, I don't even know if I wanna go down that route.
It seems cool. But so do OS and Emulators.
There's just, too many. I wish the choice was made for me.
lime gazelle
Time? Maybe. Mental energy? Probably not
Like
I tend to be single tracked
I focus on one thing until I get bored (which happens very fast) and then abandon it.
lime gazelle
free uh...what's the name...
the thing you put to make plants grow better
fertilizer
gentle moss
oof, my laptop is hitting ~65c idle in the sun
velvet rapids
async def 1(self, ctx, item: int, amount = None):
any way I can name my method a number?
wheat lynx
Nope, you could use _1 if you really want to use a number
velvet rapids
Hmm, I'll just use a discord alias
velvet rapids
lime gazelle
thanks
gentle moss
you wont know until you do
rough sapphire
does this make sense to you
> Architected cloud-native application design for managing IoT device workflows and bla bla
gentle moss
by make sense do you mean:
a) i understand what it means
b) is readable and not full of bullshit?
rough sapphire
both
rough sapphire
well it is architecture.. how else can it be worded
gentle moss
why does that word need to be there?
rough sapphire
can't say engineered, because it's like building things from scratch
gentle moss
"Cloud-native application designed for managing IoT device workflows"
it's clear that it's built, because it exists
rough sapphire
ok but how about if it's a sentence on a CV
rough sapphire
should I remove the design word, is it superfluous
gentle moss
possibly.
is this an accomplishment?
"Designed and implemented a cloud-native application for managing IoT device workflows"
rough sapphire
well it's not implemented yet
gentle moss
ahh
rough sapphire
>Currently leading an international team with a budget of xyz for zmr development
I listed that separately after it
sour horizon
Do you guys have a good community for make:ing / developing Discord bots ?
or am i already in the golden spot?
think i found that there is a channel in here already
wheat lynx
Yep, I'd say here I pretty good, we have a #discord-bots channel for discord.py specific questions and the help channel system for python questions in general
The discord.py server is also worth knowing (https://discord.gg/r3sSKJJ) but be warned they are not particularly beginner friendly and some people there will get annoyed if you ask a relatively easy (in their eyes) question.
sour horizon
Alright, that is awsome, will bookmark it but i'll think i will keep my questions here since im building up my Python skills and using Discord bot as a tool for it
sour horizon
I have built few gadgets but i believe my fundamentals need to be improved
im a Network Engineer by trade
wheat lynx
Oh nice
sour horizon
So right now i have a Subnet calculator i want to build in for our servers bot
wheat lynx
Cool, that shouldn't be too difficult once you get to know discord.py and python better. Have you made the subnet calculator already and just want to make it into a bot?
sour horizon
I have a prototype and want the bot to run it and reply with the answer
it's really small and simple but it does the job
using the ipcalc library for it so
wheat lynx
Yeah, that's a good start. You're halfway there already and you don't need to do anything too complicated with discord.py
Anyways, I'm off for now. Good luck!
sour horizon
Thanks alot, have a good one @wheat lynx
pearl horizon
I did it! Finally replaced my old GH pages site with something new. Using Nikola to generate content and starting to get some ideas together for a custom theme of my own
gusty oar
i'm so grateful to jetbrains that they give free edu licence
i can draw my homework uml diagrams easily in intellij ulti
they are my favourite company 😄
gentle moss
who was it that linked Redfang a bit ago
@plucky ridge ?
been doing garden work and listening to them.
👌
just missing some berrrrrrrs
low shadow
Is it possible to add ram to my laptop
rough sapphire
@low shadow depends
gentle moss
maybe. google the make and model.
low shadow
Using some devices, what's the device name that lets you add external ram in laptop
gentle moss
laptops typically have 2 RAM slots
sand goblet
depends on the laptop, often it's soldered to the board
rough sapphire
RAM has to be very close to the CPU because it's super integral to have high bandwidth.
gentle moss
don't mention the S word.
rough sapphire
i have no idea. soldered?
rough sapphire
that does sound pretty gross
rough sapphire
@low shadow google your laptop
gentle moss
google the make and model
rough sapphire
it really really depends
low shadow
So that device is called expansion slot
rough sapphire
well yes the slot is called that but it's on the motherboard
cold pewter
@low shadow you from a asian country ?
gentle moss
yeah whatever
low shadow
@low shadow you from a asian country ?
@cold pewter yes
gentle moss
better go check on my marinading chicken
cold pewter
@cold pewter yes
@low shadow yeah me too .. guess by the table clothe .. lol
low shadow
Hmm
Also if my CPU processor is slow but if I add 16 GB ram(2x8gb)
Then can I run games
Fast
wheat lynx
No
low shadow
Dying light was 1fps in my laptop
wheat lynx
You might benefit from a GPU if you don't have one
gentle moss
no.
sand goblet
yes.
rough sapphire
those exists but they're iffy
sand goblet
there is.
wheat lynx
Oh, for a laptop, there isn't really much you can do
sand goblet
but god damn are they expensive
low shadow
Ok
sand goblet
I'd rather not
low shadow
I can't play latest games
gentle moss
also, Metro Dying Light is not exactly the "lightest" game
low shadow
I m so irritated right now
gentle moss
the fact that that motherboard
wheat lynx
Downloading some RAM is a cheap option
gentle moss
i can clearly see doesn't have built in ethernet
rough sapphire
you can probably run the ingenious games the discord game jam 2020 produces
gentle moss
oh wait, it does
nvm
but it's still got a fucking game port
that's gotta be some ~2000 shit
and a parallel port? rofl
low shadow
Maybe I will buy new laptop after year or 2
gentle moss
no GPU, clearly ancient motherboard
low shadow
A gaming laptop
gentle moss
i'd rate it a 0/10 for playing games
sand goblet
it looks like it maybe had a GPU and it got yanked
gentle moss
onboard GPU's of that era as well
low shadow
Until then I will watch liverflow
gentle moss
that's just the PSU
gentle moss
for all we know it could've blown and been replaced
sand goblet
oh, true
gentle moss
who even makes PSU's like that anymore?
low shadow
Isn't it possible to combine my BOX and Laptop ram and CPU to use it for playing game? Just wondering
gentle moss
haha
thorn snow
@low shadow It's too slow
low shadow
2011
gentle moss
and even 10 years ago it'd probably still be ancient
thorn snow
The problem here is the speed of your network and overhead and latency that comes with the whole thing
gentle moss
like, a low spec machine
sand goblet
this is a laptop ram module
thorn snow
However, you can execute the game on your box and play on your laptop with steam
thorn snow
Well, the previous one is a L memory
gentle moss
:D
thorn snow
as in, low voltage
gentle moss
it's at least a decade old
thorn snow
Yeah, but even with a powerful machine, the ethernet latency slows it down too much for distributed computing being used in a game
even if you'd cluster it
gentle moss
tl;dr @low shadow: no, your laptop and your PC wont ever be able to play those games.
gentle moss
and in future if you want to play games, don't buy a laptop. buy a desktop PC.
low shadow
What s gaming rig
gentle moss
on low / medium settings
"rig" is slang for computer
usually one that's self built
cold pewter
isnt it already here ?
gentle moss
it is
low shadow
Oh it is released?
cold pewter
red army enters the chat
low shadow
439$ = Intel i9 , budget = 50$ hahah
thorn snow
Ryzen has more threads, larger cache and a higher base clock speed
gentle moss
you can get an i3 for like £60 - £70
low shadow
Hmm
gentle moss
both companies have budgets
but i'd not get an i3
as scorch says, the ryzens are better
thorn snow
and I am writing this from a desktop with an Intel CPU
just saying, because someone said red army
cold pewter
it was a joke man .. ik ryzen is better ..
low shadow
Ok
gentle moss
that's not even the most expensive "consumer" CPU on the market
the Threadripper is like $3699
that thing is beast
thorn snow
The data center I work for recently introduced Epyc Servers
wheat lynx
Isn't that model 64 cores or something?
gentle moss
more like a pro-sumer CPU though
low shadow
Ohno
rough sapphire
64 cores huh
gentle moss
it fills a tight niche tbh
low shadow
Just by listening money 3688 I m going to say that's processor a killer
thorn snow
Not suitable for gaming though, in gaming mode it disables it's other half
wheat lynx
Sheeeeesh
thorn snow
Threadripper is basically 2 CPU soldered together
rough sapphire
what do you do with those cores
gentle moss
i mean, not really
that's how windows treats it
but it's a true 64 core
not two chips on a die
i can see that type of CPU being useful for certain workloads
perhaps a 3d artists workstation
rough sapphire
64 cores has to have some potential for serious machine learning already 🤔
in addition to a GPU
thorn snow
Hmm, probably more like SOHO VM server
low shadow
Ryzen max is 500$ hmm
gentle moss
maybe scorch
thorn snow
for a 3d artist PC the 3900X should suffice
gentle moss
i hesitate on server based stuff for it
since it doesn't support standard ECC dims
it's like...
pre-server market CPU
but definitely not consumer
"pro-sumer" is the word that gets tossed around
and i hate it :(
rough sapphire
you could do some bunch of virtualization already on it
like run 16 different operating systems
thorn snow
Proxmox would deffo run great on it
low shadow
Is vram part of ram
gentle moss
(or virtual)
low shadow
Part of GPU?
thorn snow
If you have a dedicated GPU, it has RAM on it
rough sapphire
so basically you could throw around like 32 docker containers
thorn snow
that is referred to as VRAM
rough sapphire
each on their dedicated core
low shadow
Ok
gentle moss
^
rough sapphire
@thorn snow i know but still, containers can run on cores on themself
gentle moss
can docker even core allocate?
low shadow
JVM Vs docker
rough sapphire
I think it can
gentle moss
i know you can restrict CPU usage
i suppose it makes sense you can tell it which core to launch on
but why would you want to restrict it to a single core
hmm
thorn snow
It's better to let the OS's thread scheduler do the job there
Affinity is not strict, it's only a request
the OS can still override it
These many cores are really good when you do IOMMU grouping IMHO
not sure if the Threadripper can do that though
thorn snow
Your FX CPU?
gentle moss
haha
you could bury that bastard under the polar ice caps and all it will do is contribute to global warming
you could shoot that straight into the sun and all it'd do is make it hotter
when i retire that PC i might see if i can cook a mini steak on it
thorn snow
If anyone wants to know more about Fibre, I can recommend this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__wn9zXFiy8
It's on the recommended watching list of my workplace
thorn snow
We are slammed
Traffic has increased where it would normally start to decline
as in, from Winter to Spring
gentle moss
Can imagine
thorn snow
we are currently changing optics to increase bandwidth
thorn snow
the other day I've upgraded our muxer by a couple of 100 gbit
gentle moss
As a support company that means no tickets
But our support contract money is coming through so we can afford to keep our staff
thorn snow
No Virtual MAchines in the portfolio?
gentle moss
we manage a bunch of our customer's servers / VM's, yeah
but i mean really, wtf is there to really do
they tick along nicely
got some CVE patching to do and that's about it
thorn snow
No hardware around for some fun projects?
gentle moss
can't go into the office
thorn snow
I have a lab at work with a dozen of switches/routers to play around with
gentle moss
we're pure work from home atm
thorn snow
oh ok