cook.
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
gentle moss
low shadow
but since these types of wave are spread all over world
gentle moss
no
sand goblet
The microwave dishes are dangerous, if you climb up and sit in front of one with a sun lounger
low shadow
then it may cause harm
gentle moss
stop.
sand goblet
As people have done.
low shadow
study must be done
thorn snow
@low shadow Dude, microwaves are shielded pretty heavily
sand goblet
But it's such a low amount literally everywhere else
low shadow
before implementing 5G
thorn snow
And btw, WiFi is on the same frequency
sand goblet
Study HAS been done
low shadow
show me some links
thorn snow
BUt it has such a low intensity that it does not harm anyone
which is why routers are hard locked at 100 miliwatts
sand goblet
Why don't you exercise some critical thinking and find them yourself?
low shadow
i found this
Broadcasting radio and television signals
Transmitting signals from cordless telephones, cell phones and cell phone towers, satellite phones, and 2-way radios
Radar
WiFi and Bluetooth
Cooking food (in a microwave oven)
Heating body tissues to destroy them in medical procedures
sand goblet
None of that says anything other than where microwave technology is used
There's literally no context
sand goblet
Yup
low shadow
but low amount than cell tower
they come from space
@gentle moss
thorn snow
@low shadow Let me ask you something
Do you know what radio actually is?
any kind of radio wave?
low shadow
i know what radio waves are
thorn snow
yeah well what is it?
low shadow
यसैमा फेरी खोज्ने
वेब परिणामहरू
Radio wave - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › ...
यस पृष्ठलाई अनुवाद गर्नुहोस्
Radio waves are a type of electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum longer than infrared light. Radio waves have frequencies ..
and cell phones towers emit radio waves, 5g may emit stronger frequency
thorn snow
You hear other people because they talk to you in a specific frequency we can hear
You cannot hear wifi because you cannot hear the frequency
Some people take that and say because we have ears, those frequencies impact us
low shadow
you cant hear xray so is it not dangerous
thorn snow
but it's bullshit
sand goblet
The hilarious thing is that the towers don't really put out much by way of waves
gentle moss
about the effects of mmWave technology on living creatures
sand goblet
Your phone is adding far more of them in order to find towers
gentle moss
We highlighted the findings of mmWave radiation studies on the eyes and skin since, in communication applications, these tissues would receive the most radiation, with other tissues receiving, by comparison, a negligible amount. Ocular injury can be induced by short-term high-intensity exposure (e.g., 2,000 mW/cm2, 1.5–5 s) far beyond the anticipated future communication device levels, but the eyes do not appear to suffer damage from longer low-intensity exposure (e.g., 10 mW/cm2, 8 h), which might be experienced from mmWave communication technologies in the far field.
a.k.a. you need to literally try to irradiate someone to do damage
2,000miliWatt of mmWave radiation fired straight into your eyeball can cause damage
sand goblet
Just don't climb a tower and sit in front of an active dish on a sun lounger with a beer
You'll die, but more importantly, the beer will explode
gentle moss
"in other words" vs "also known as"
low shadow
Just don't climb a tower and sit in front of an active dish on a sun lounger with a beer
@sand goblet i drink wine not beer
gentle moss
both work.
sand goblet
That is literally the most pedantic response you could have made
Also you don't drink anything, you're not 18
:v
low shadow
Also you don't drink anything, you're not 18
@sand goblet i drink there is no rule here
sand goblet
Where is here?
low shadow
nepal
sand goblet
Oh, okay
gentle moss
nepalese drinking age is 18
low shadow
in asia literally no one follows such rules
gentle moss
yeaaaah....
sand goblet
Maybe they should.
sand goblet
Are they all alcoholics? Is that what you're saying? Haha
low shadow
no
sand goblet
Then they can.
thorn snow
I wanna go to the Indian sea in one of the next few years
There is a french island
Makes holiday there extremely convinient
sand goblet
Well, the long term effects of drinking on minors is something that's been studied, so
That explains a lot
gentle moss
consumption of nearly every major psychoactive compound has a negative effect on brain development
even caffeine
sand goblet
French? I thought you were German
low shadow
still people drinkg
sand goblet
Do you know French too?
low shadow
even caffeine
@gentle moss
thorn snow
Je parlez en petite peux du francais Monsieur
sand goblet
Not bad
low shadow
consumption of nearly every major psychoactive compound has a negative effect on brain development
@gentle moss just the reply
sand goblet
The site's name was literally vape360
thorn snow
No need to call the mods because of a bit of french @gentle moss
low shadow
i did and u called mods
sand goblet
Of course they're not going to tell you how nicotine fucks you up
sand goblet
Read the subtext
low shadow
yes
thorn snow
@sand goblet But it's more along the lines I want to go somewhere tropical but not into a country where I may be executed because I looked wrong at someone
thorn snow
It's EU, that is the motivation here
sand goblet
Nobody in the healthcare field can officially recommend nicotine for purposes not approved by the FDA, and the FDA has only approved it for smoking cessation
low shadow
fda hasnt approved curcumin , so what its not healthy
sand goblet
@thorn snow That's fair
gentle moss
these all seem to be preliminary studies which haven't made it out of the phase of testing it on mice
and it doesn't change the fact that your brain doesn't stop developing until you're 25
and consumption of psychoactive compounds will change how your brain develops.
low shadow
it's long
it's complicated
and you're totally not going to read it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6018192/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3151730/
thorn snow
Typical clickbait
The other day I saw an article, heading was like "ANIMAL CROSSING COMING TO PC", article: "Animal Crossing will never be released for PC, but have a look at this game"
shit has become fucking awful
magazines putting out wrong headings, just to put things into perspective later
thorn snow
but most don't read until that part
gentle moss
Because poor cognitive performance at baseline predicts relapse among smokers who are attempting to quit smoking, studies examining the potential efficacy of cognitive-enhancement as strategy for the treatment of TUD may lead to the development of more efficacious interventions.
that's an interesting conclusion
sand goblet
That is an amusing conclusion isn't it
gentle moss
yes but the study is talking about methods to help people quit smoking / nicotine
lol
sand goblet
"People who are stupid can't drop smoking"
low shadow
Fine Motor Skills Alerting attention – accuracy and response time Orienting attention – accuracy and response time Short-term memory – accuracy Long-term memory – accuracy Working memory – accuracy and response time
sand goblet
What kind of study lol
gentle moss
i'm still reading the paper machine
:P
it's long and complicated, so i'm trying to understand what it actually says
low shadow
ok
gentle moss
oh dear
section 2 1st paragraph
In a population-based study of 2163 participants, smokers demonstrated deficits in attention, working memory, and impulse control functions
sand goblet
Again, the second one is all about treating people that are addicted to cigarettes
gentle moss
you can't cherry pick sections of a paper you like
and use it as evidence for your position
low shadow
i can give you 10+ reports to prove that consumption of nearly every major psychoactive compound has a negative effect on brain development is wrong
racetams are psychoactive too
nicotine is just an example
sand goblet
They're both saying that IN SMOKERS that they've given nicotine instead of cigarettes, those smokers PERFORM BETTER WHEN CIGARETTES ARE REPLACED WITH NICOTINE
They're not saying random people should take nicotine
gentle moss
:D
sand goblet
And they do also point out that nicotine is still addictive when taken without the cigarette
low shadow
i m just proving consumption of nearly every major psychoactive compound has a negative effect on brain development is wrong
sand goblet
It's a well known fact
low shadow
And they do also point out that nicotine is still addictive when taken without the cigarette
@sand goblet so what if i can control addiction i am the king
because of lockdown i m not using nicotine
sand goblet
And there are lots of psychoactive compounds, you'd have to prove a majority don't cause problems
gentle moss
Collectively, these studies demonstrate that nicotine has differential effects on cognition in humans that depends on smoking history and nicotine withdrawal status at the time of testing, and that cognitive enhancement from smoking may have downstream effects on mood by shifting the attentional bias of smokers away from negative stimuli.
thorn snow
You cannot control addiction, that is why its called addiction
gentle moss
that bit's interesting
rough sapphire
why are you back here trying to promote drugs again??
gentle moss
that's probably where the "nicotine helps depression" bit comes from
rough sapphire
can you fucking stop?
rough sapphire
"nicotine is good for you"
low shadow
is wrong
rough sapphire
is promoting
gentle moss
my statement is not wrong
smoking or using nicotine while your brain is developing will alter brain development
end of.
fact.
low shadow
yes racetams are psychoactive
sand goblet
Nicotine probably isn't necessarily harmful if you're not a minor, on its own, but trying to say that it has positive effects on non smokers is pretty batshit
gentle moss
same for caffeine
that's why lots of places in the world have banned sale of drinks with high caffeine levels to children
low shadow
Nicotine probably isn't necessarily harmful if you're not a minor, on its own, but trying to say that it has positive effects on non smokers is pretty batshit
@sand goblet is neuroprotective
sand goblet
I don't think you understand what most of these terms you're throwing out mean
low shadow
they prevent glutamate excitotoxicity that is neuroprotective
sand goblet
But I would expect nothing less from someone that shitposts on r/drugs
low shadow
also bisk said caffeine is harmful for brain even caffeine
but there study which shows caffeine is great
gentle moss
we're talking about minors
sand goblet
Yeah, kids suffer from caffeine issues at way, way lower doses too
gentle moss
you know, children.
sand goblet
And again you've linked a random blog instead of a credible source
low shadow
what if i dont have developed prefrontal cortex from nicotine , i will have other parts develops, it impairs prefrontal cortex onlly
as i know
gentle moss
A new study in the journal PLOS ONEconcerns caffeine consumption in pubescent lab rats. Researchers found that young rats who consumed the rat-sized equivalent of the caffeine in three or four cups of coffee daily experienced reduced deep sleep and delayed brain development.
gentle moss
i'm so glad there aren't kids jacked up on redbull / kick in the town centre anymore tbh
low shadow
Given all of these factors, it is necessary that more research be conducted on caffeine use among children to understand long-term consequences of caffeine exposure during this critical period of development.
study must be done
cant say anything
oak tangle
Can we maybe just move on to another topic?
low shadow
ok
oak tangle
@low shadow You've been bringing up addictive substances and praising the use of prescription drugs for offlabel use for a while now. Please stop doing that.
oak tangle
This isn't only about today
And that is not the point
There was this thing following the betel nut yesterday as well
low shadow
yes thats wrong i know( betel nut),
rough sapphire
That looks like datura stramonium in his profile pic
I hope he isnt taking that stuff.
its an extremely deadly poison.
I hope that you are not doing that, sincerely
rough sapphire
Its very similar yes. Its where scopalamine and atropine come from
sand goblet
Oh jeez, yeah, definitely don't take that
thorn snow
Atropine is in the emergency injection for soldiers
rough sapphire
Atropine has soem medical uses, mainly reducing saliva in the mouth I think for certain procedures.
Scopalamine is just a deadly substance that makes you delirious
thorn snow
When I was in the army, you have a little pouch with bandaids and stuff
in real situations, you also get an injection against ABC attacks
its atropine
rough sapphire
right
thorn snow
it makes other poisons need longer to work
but it slowly kills you
Basically it protects you from taking up chemicals/radiation etc
rough sapphire
Interesting.
thorn snow
If you take it, find a field hospital, otherwise you die
but if you don't, you die faster
so
literally pick your poison 😄
sand goblet
Well that explains why you're incoherant on reddit
low shadow
whats incoherant
thorn snow
😄
sand goblet
You're impossible to understand because your points make no sense, your language is terrible, and your posts have no direction
Something like literally dosing yourself with poison will do that to you
low shadow
i just did once
only
anyways dont discuss here
probably ves zappa can get angry and ban me
sand goblet
Yeah, not really a suitable subject
But I do advise you to stop taking these substances in general
You'll feel better for it
sand goblet
I remember you saying that, yeah
rough sapphire
Jesus Christ.
low shadow
what
solid pollen
You know, there's a search button at the top right
rough sapphire
That stuff is what people use in south america to rob people it makes you so delirious you'll do anything anyone tells you to do.
I dont know why you'd think that is something youd benefit from taking
low shadow
i just did once. Felt like mad person. Just to know how IT FEELS. Never tried again
low shadow
oh yes i was on programming assembly
i read one book, it was beginner friendly, beginning x86 assembly, recommend to others
solid pollen
It is like saying "I just killed someone once. Just to know how IT FEELS"
low shadow
Killing is immoral
rough sapphire
The thing that makes that particular substance so deadly is that without a lab its impossible to measure it. And the threshold between death and delirium is very small. Its not used recreationally, I suppose its occasionally used by very curioous people. Its mainly used to victimize people :/
thorn snow
SSL got deprecated
low shadow
ok
thorn snow
that is why he got renamed
low shadow
lol
i still hear TLS/SSL; probably replacing with TLS only should be done to avoid confusion
sand goblet
SSL usually refers to the certificate rather than the encryption
solid pollen
It is like pigeons/IP
low shadow
u may die of heartbleed
rough sapphire
the reason I picked this name when I came in here is because its an impossible user name to search for and find anything else about me
thorn snow
@low shadow TLS uses TCP/IP to ensure security
The name means Transport Layer Security
low shadow
is beast and heartbleed attacks related to TLS
thorn snow
Heartbleed was a bug in a library
solid pollen
!$!$!4\ is a good username too haha
rough sapphire
haha yeah
low shadow
i hear a lot of name in my childhood just like shellshock but now i know the meaning
i bought shellshock game but couldnt play it
rough sapphire
Of course, all you have to do is search the chat for links ive shared and you can dox me as easily as anyone else
But it doesnt hurt to make it difficult for people
thorn snow
Fun fact: You cannot really place TLS in the OSI model
it uses L4 to provide the stream, but the key exchange happens between 5 and 7
rough sapphire
interesting
low shadow
i dont know OSI model . It is very confusing . The layers. Some people mix layers
thorn snow
There are 2 different models really, if you look at it
rough sapphire
Its helpful as an abstraction to understand what might be causing what and what definitely isnt
thorn snow
The OSI model for computers in general
and the network OSI model
so always gotta know what you are talking about really
low shadow
i onlly know first layer is of hardware
thats all
tcp/ip guide is good book but still i couldnt understand
solid pollen
L1 is pigeons
thorn snow
and in between describes how the electrical signals go from there to becoming data
rough sapphire
Which one is DNS again? haha
low shadow
It is like pigeons/IP
@solid pollen why is akarys focused on piegons
solid pollen
The only good way to make a reliable network
thorn snow
@rough sapphire L7
solid pollen
You don't know the story?
thorn snow
IPoAC
solid pollen
rough sapphire
hahaha
low shadow
first time heard something like this
low shadow
how can piegons carry internet traffic
thorn snow
usb stick
low shadow
?
solid pollen
They carry usb sticks around
low shadow
so each piegons have usb sticks
sand goblet
It can be faster to do things like this than transfer over the Internet too
I mean if you FedEx a box of hard drives and it takes 2 days to get there you can be reaching several GiB/s in real time depending on how big the drives are
thorn snow
When you are a network admin and AA Guns suddenly becomes an issue
low shadow
what is AA guns (in relation to computer)
low shadow
oh
thorn snow
BUt when you think about, routing isn't too different how pigeons work. Always need to know where your next hop is
low shadow
how much km is one hop?
wheat lynx
@sand goblet https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ Reminded me of this
thorn snow
depends @low shadow
Between 2 sealines, multiple hundred km
on land? a few hundred
from your computer to your router? Probably a few meters
rough sapphire
What, another switch? no, no.. it looks like we're going to need to install some aa cannons over here
solid pollen
Oh that's actually a technique used by Google
wheat lynx
It's a good book 😄
low shadow
hmm
thorn snow
hop in networking means from one router to the next
low shadow
ok
thorn snow
hold on I can show you something
I know that Apache.org is hosted in helsinki via its secondary ip
apache.org has address 40.79.78.1
apache.org has address 95.216.24.32```Start: 2020-04-18T13:11:14+0200
HOST: ras.internal.tuxstash.de Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1.|-- router.internal.tuxstash. 0.0% 10 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.8 0.1
2.|-- 62.155.243.146 0.0% 10 5.4 4.8 4.3 6.1 0.6
3.|-- 217.0.195.185 0.0% 10 8.7 8.7 8.3 9.0 0.2
4.|-- 217.0.195.185 0.0% 10 8.5 8.4 8.1 8.6 0.2
5.|-- ffm-b4-link.telia.net 40.0% 10 8.6 8.5 8.4 8.6 0.1
6.|-- ffm-bb2-link.telia.net 0.0% 10 35.6 35.6 35.3 36.0 0.2
7.|-- s-bb4-link.telia.net 0.0% 10 33.4 33.2 33.0 33.4 0.1
8.|-- hls-b1-link.telia.net 0.0% 10 35.2 35.3 35.1 35.7 0.2
9.|-- hetzner-svc067711-ic35160 0.0% 10 31.8 32.0 31.3 34.1 0.8
10.|-- core32.hel1.hetzner.com 0.0% 10 31.7 31.8 31.3 32.7 0.5
11.|-- ex9k1.dc2.hel1.hetzner.co 0.0% 10 32.8 31.8 31.4 32.8 0.4
12.|-- tlp-he-fi.apache.org 0.0% 10 31.7 31.7 31.5 32.3 0.2```Look at hop 6
that is where it goes into the sea cable
rough sapphire
interesting
solid pollen
Google isn't really representative, they have mirrors everywhere
rough sapphire
I only recently learned that there were sea cables. They were talking about russian subs or something on the news and I was like, WHHAT sea cables?!
low shadow
that is the sea cable
@thorn snow ok
thorn snow
and looks like the telia router in frankfurt is really busy 😄
because it's too lazy to answer ICMP today
rough sapphire
I know the very basics of networking, like enough to login to my router at home. But when it gets to like complicated networks at a business that require a lot of switches, that stuff is way too complicated. Its amazing that anyone ever came up with it.
low shadow
same here
thorn snow
It's not complicated
low shadow
i know subnetting, dhcp
low shadow
but bridges and gateways and some other things like DMZ, ALG are ???
rough sapphire
I know theoretically they stop collisions right, communicating from hosts to the router?
thorn snow
In the early days, we used hubs
the issue with hubs: it sends packages into ALL connected cables
a l2 switch remembers which mac is on which port via the arp resolution table
low shadow
thus could be sniffed? wireshark
the issue with hubs: it sends packages into ALL connected cables
@thorn snow
thorn snow
Therefore it sends packages only where they are supposed to go
rough sapphire
I get that much.
thorn snow
Collisions aren't much of an issue today anymore
sand goblet
So if you plug a hub into itself, it go boom?
rough sapphire
But as far as knowing where to install them. Thats complicated to me.
thorn snow
since cables are full duplex
it was an issue in the early days, token ring for example
where only one machine could talk at the same time on the whole network
We also have CSMA/CD today
low shadow
Networking is still a complex topic with many parts
thorn snow
which detects the electrical resistance caused by a collision
rough sapphire
There was a while that I was monitoring traffic on our network with wireshark and over time I realized, "I have no idea what any of this stuff means." I learned about ARPs through that. But so much of the traffic is via a protocol that I just dont know.
thorn snow
ARP is the translation of MAC into IP, it's pretty simple
rough sapphire
right
thorn snow
open a shell and type arp -a
thorn snow
yeah, you can abuse those switch tables for IP spoofing
confusing arp
with constant pings
rough sapphire
right.
thorn snow
but it only works within a network until the router
because ARP stops at the router
which is called the Broadcast domain
Because when a computer does not know the mac for an IP, it sends a broadcast to FF-FF-FF-FF-FF
and if the switch has no clue where the mac is he is looking for, then he sends it to all devices
but it stops at the router
which is why networks that have a lot of devices can become dreadfully slow
rough sapphire
Right, I recently cleared them all out when I reset the passwords.
Are you talking about a lot of active devices or just a lot of devices in the router's memory?
idk if memory is the right word
thorn snow
no, a lot of devices sending ARP requests
rough sapphire
right
thorn snow
That is where you need a router even in an internal network
to limit the broadcast domain
Router in a networking context does not mean what you know as home router
rough sapphire
yeah, until I played with wireshark I didnt know what arps were. That was the only thing I learned from that experience other than packet sniffing is above my level of networking knowledge
thorn snow
in a professional setting, a router just routes, it is not this multi-thing you have at home
which consists out of 6 or 7 different devices
low shadow
How does my computer have upto /Dev/sda7 when MBR partition support only 4 partition
thorn snow
@rough sapphire A lot of that traffic is probably also IPV6
IPV6 works a bit differently and talks a lot
rough sapphire
yes, you can filter it though
Thats the only way to use wireshark is by filtering specific things
Its just an excess of info
low shadow
Any idea?
thorn snow
@rough sapphire I really suggest to keep using wireshark for learning
Filter by icmp and do some traceroutes or mtr
then you understand why 50% loss in the middle isn't a valid packet loss
rough sapphire
mtr?
thorn snow
it's what produced the result I've posted earlier
its basically a trace route tool on linux
rough sapphire
I'll try that. Let me boot up my device that has that kind of software on it and I'll let it run all day today
thorn snow
But tbh, there aren't really that many interesting protocols to watch for at home
rough sapphire
yeah... I believe it.
thorn snow
DHCP may be neat
rough sapphire
So like
thorn snow
but it's 4 messages 🙂
rough sapphire
When life goes back to normal I have a trip planned to a hotel where I really was planning to have some fun monitoring the network and seeing what interesting things would happen. But it kind of got canceled. But when I can I still plan to.
That will be fun
thorn snow
can do that on any free wifi in the area
HTTP and TCP are also fun to watch
TCP is always like SYN, ACK, SYN, ACK then finally some FIN, ACK
And then you can understand what a SYN flood is
rough sapphire
I remember those and thinking "I need to look up what these mean"
Thats what wireshark is for a newb is a million things to look up that youve never heard of before. The only one that really stuck with me was ARPS
since thats majority of what it is at home
thorn snow
SYN flooding is when you are trying to get a host to make a TCP connection with you, but only ever send a SYN and never ACK
so the server ends up with a lot of unfinished connections
and eventually runs into his connection limit
That is a popular ddos mechanic
rough sapphire
Ah. That's interesting to know but starts talking louder "That is something I would never do."
lol
Really though, I wouldnt
thorn snow
No, do it. Use a target in your own network of course, but is nice to learn
Or UDP reflection with Windows LDAP 😄
rough sapphire
Fair. You know what was fun to read is the heroku pen testing policy.
They basically are like, "You can do anything that doesnt look like a ddos to us"
and I was like, "Wow that is some policy"
thorn snow
UDP reflection basically means, send a small request to a target, spoof the sender and provoke a large response
that way you get another machine to ddos a server
with minimal networking overhead for you
But I am probably going into dangerous territory here with the server rules 😄
rough sapphire
What Windows LDAP?
I think we are allowed to talk about pen testing here. The topic has come up before and no one seemed to mind it.
thorn snow
Yeah, LDAP is very susceptible to that
rough sapphire
Obviously, I think thats only true because were just enthusiasts and not malicious
thorn snow
never expose ldap to the internet
or memcached
Those are ALWAYS targeted to be used in ddos onto another target
rough sapphire
I'm not too familiar with Windows stuff. My friends in the pentest community tend to praise AD and thats mainly where Ive heard the term LDAP come up along with that.
thorn snow
It's a database basically, used in AD as well
Well, directory services
but for all intents and purposes, it stores data and communicates it over the network
which is why a small request can provoke a large response
as in bytes wise
gentle moss
[12:37] scorcher24: UDP reflection basically means, send a small request to a target, spoof the sender and provoke a large response
some of the amplification type attacks are really cool
thorn snow
not if you are on the receiving end of it 😄
thorn snow
yes
gentle moss
DNS amplification was the cause of that massive global DDoS event wasn't it?
i think it was a two years ago or so
ooh, 4 years ago.
the DDoS record is at 580m PPS
that's...
O_O
oh lord, that was just a SYN flood
rough sapphire
@thorn snow now what did you say I should filter for fun and traceroute later?
thorn snow
icmp
thorn snow
put it as display filter
rough sapphire
ok
thorn snow
Only select the network device first
rough sapphire
right
thorn snow
then put it as display filter on top
low shadow
I think we are allowed to talk about pen testing here. The topic has come up before and no one seemed to mind it.
@rough sapphire I once posted some writeups. I got warning from ves zappa
thorn snow
@rough sapphire Does your ISP support voip?
Could try to record a sip phone session with wireshark
and yes that works
rough sapphire
I think it does.
thorn snow
get a softphone like MicroSIP, use the login data from your isp call someone, record rtp
in wireshark
you'll be able to listen to the phone conversation by playing it
thorn snow
srtp isn't used a lot
gentle moss
i've never seen it deployed in the wild
i've set it up locally for a bit of fun
ooh, one i've been tempted to do is record Zoom session RTP
rough sapphire
Alright Im gonna let this run all day, I dont expect anything fun because its just the people living in my house. But id like to learn to do this for when Im in fun situations like public wifi
gentle moss
since they use AES ECB it's potentially possible to get image data back from it
depends on the formatting i guess
thorn snow
@rough sapphire There won't be that much with icmp filter on
I meant that filter more for active testing/learning
thorn snow
Internet Control Message Protocol
rough sapphire
so you mean to run tracerouts while this is running?
thorn snow
yes
thorn snow
@rough sapphire Thats a system broadcast
rough sapphire
i.. know
oh man good way to hide my chats
everyone use ssh
it's just that i was never expecting someone to message me in an active ssh session
That would scare me
haha
was playing a game and wondering why i kept hearing pings
rough sapphire
you can clearly see me respond in the screenshot :p
thorn snow
didn't actually read it 😛
just saw the pattern
Broadcasts always look like elephants
rough sapphire
idunno what sort of elephants you seen
thorn snow
@rough sapphire It's just my brain being weird. I also see numbers as streets, which nobody else does I've asked about that
rough sapphire
It definitely started showing stuff when I did traceroutes. Not sure what im looking at though
thorn snow
Like, its a very long street with houses being the numbers
@rough sapphire Look at the ttl
gentle moss
[12:58] 𝚡𝚡: it's just that i was never expecting someone to message me in an active ssh session
haha
thorn snow
Then look at the trace route how it lists every hop
gentle moss
:D
thorn snow
TTL only gets decreased by routers
now you know how a tracert finds out how many hops there are
sand goblet
traceroute is based on icmp, right?
rough sapphire
I only know what TTL is in the context of domain names. Its like... how long it takes to do something with DNS. I cant remember.
thorn snow
It's how long it is cached
thorn snow
in networking, it is how many routers the packages shall pass
so, TTL 1 to the IP of google.com, means it ends at your gateway
or any router in between
TTL 2 it ends up at your ISP's router
TTL3, the next hop on the way
and so on
because when TTL is zero, the router throws the package away
thorn snow
yes
gentle moss
each hop decreases the TTL by 1, doesn't it?
thorn snow
yes
gentle moss
until it's depleted
thorn snow
router does TTL=TTL-1 if TTL==0: dump package
rough sapphire
I'm gonna sniff http I think lol. See what people in my house are doing with their quarantine time.
thorn snow
And tell them to bug the website provider to implement let's encrypt
rough sapphire
ha yeah
thorn snow
but why not take a level further?
connect to a http server with telnet and talk to it
gentle moss
ahhhh, manual protocol communications :D
rough sapphire
I have an http server running right now on VM.
gentle moss
i think the one i've done that with the most is SMTP
thorn snow
telnet it and do GET /
rough sapphire
okay hold on.
gentle moss
http ver?
thorn snow
I thought you need more
rough sapphire
I have to help the lady real quick. I'll be back and we should talk about this more some time haha
thorn snow
Trying 2a00:1450:4001:806::2003...
Connected to google.de.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:12:26 GMT
Expires: -1```nice
solid pollen
Oh great, emergency mode because I put a new disk in my computer
gentle moss
oh nice.
@thorn snow access control system has failed on some buildings
good thing everyone is in lockdown
:D
man, why does stuff like this always happen on a saturday
solid pollen
Saturday is a corrupted day for working people
gentle moss
i work saturdays :(
rough sapphire
gentle moss
they're chill af saturdays.
it's only to support one retail customer
who, guess what, isn't opening shops atm
boom.
should probably use the quiet time to do something super productive.
thorn snow
I am still new at this job, so I don't have to, but normal work time for us is 10 days, then 4 days off
but that was said at the interview
I have quite a lot of workdays on weekends ahead of me
But then, I don't have anyone that would require me anyway
gentle moss
woot
23m50s single segment quake run
so many faults :(
going to have to grind a bit more to get into the 20's again
19m by end of lockdown or bust
rough sapphire
damn Im exhausted now.
setTimeout(function() {
console.log("Five seconds");
}, 5000);
for(let i=1; i<10; i++) {
setTimeout(function() {
console.log(`${i} seconds`);
}, 1000);
}
This has a weird effect
Basically it dumps all the seconds in the for loop at once.
And then finished with the five seconds coming after five seconds
I'm so exhausted tho, will figure out whats going on there later
undone berry
Whats happening there is that setTimeout isn't blocking. You're setting something to go off in one second, then immediately moving into the next stage of the loop, where you'll set another thing to go off in 1 second. So what you end up with is the 9 setTimeouts set to go off at practically the exact same time.
To achieve what I think you want. Here's some code
setTimeout(function() {
console.log("Five seconds");
}, 5000);
for(let i=1; i<10; i++) {
setTimeout(function() {
console.log(`${i} seconds`);
}, 1000*i); // The only difference is the *i here
}```is there actually a decent js discord server?
undone berry
SpeakJS was ok the one time I used it
I can't link it here, but googling SpeakJS discord should find it for you
celest tide
would there be any legal issues around hosting the comments posted on a particular site?
for example - if one was to scrape all comments from the website of a publication, would it generally be permissible to host that somewhere that others can access it?
solid pollen
So apparently the KDE partition manager decided that it would make sense to write in the fstab to mount an ext4 partition as nfts even if when I right click mount it does mount it as ext4, like it should
Sure.
gentle moss
ahhh witcher
i can jump off a 2 story building and roll to safety
but if i jump into a moat off a 2 story bridge and don't notice a tiny rock just under the surface i die?
sand goblet
Came across this one in Reddit https://www.wired.com/story/lee-holloway-devastating-decline-brilliant-young-coder/
It's a long read, really quite something
lime gazelle
So I'm trying to make a function that generate a tree
I kinda have an idea of how to do it, and I know I'll have to use recursion
thing is: what do I return?
I can't return a Node, since it would return the last node created I think
So what do I return?
undone berry
import random
class Node:
def __init__(self):
self.left = None
self.right = None
def gen_tree(current_root):
if random.randint(0,10) > 5:
current_root.left = Node()
gen_tree(current_root.left)
if random.randint(0,10) > 5:
current_root.right= Node()
gen_tree(current_root.right)
r = Node()
gen_tree(r)
So, you don't really need to return anything. You just need to recursively add to the tree
and have some stopping condition
lime gazelle
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/lupokadife.py that's what I have at the moment
my plan is:
I stop if I reach a depth of 5 and I have the max number of rooms allowed
But now I'm stuck, because I don't know how to add a node for each node. Like. Ok, I generate all the nodes for the current node. Great. I can keep doing this over and over until I reach my condition
But how do I say "ok, enough of this node, let's go to the other node at the same depth as this one and repeat this"?
undone berry
Is yours even a tree? Conceptually, in a building full of rooms, you'd expect to be able to have a cycle
lime gazelle
My plan is for something like:
and
Maybe I'm not understanding them properly. I don't know what to google to understand them better, I found them at random on a reddit post about procedural puzzles
undone berry
Assuming each square in that is a node
then its a graph
and not a tree
Which doesn't matter
it just means, that I personally have no clue how to go about generating it
ah
no I was misunderstanding the sources. Each square isn't a node
undone berry
Well, the first one is a graph/grid. The second one is a tree
lime gazelle
Yes, but the same concept applies?
I think
Like generating one should be the same as generating the other
N node tree with junctions
every graph reduces to a tree after all
lime gazelle
wot
lime gazelle
Isn't a graph a tree with loops?
undone berry
yes
well no
Assume this is a graph. Then the 4 red nodes form a cycle, and the one edge in the top right is the loop. A loop is an edge connecting to the node it starts at
lime gazelle
but you can remove any one of the four "lines" and it would still be valid
It jus becomes a tree
undone berry
Yeah, you can cut edges off and get the minimum spanning tree
but thats completely changing the structure
lime gazelle
Well this is besides the thing I'm trying to follow
which doesn't provide any code examples or anything, so idk where to bash my head.
What I understood about the res is: I need to make a tree that represents the room structure
And then I can place locks and keys (no clue how) in a way that makes it always solvable
so I'm trying to generate the room layout, but I can't get the tree working.
undone berry
import random
class Node:
def __init__(self):
self.children = []
def gen_tree(current_root, depth):
if depth > 10: # Passing the limiting factor down the tree
return
children = random.randint(1, 4) # Adding a random element
for _ in range(children):
child = Node()
gen_tree(child, depth + 1) # Making sure the children aren't empty
current_root.children.append(child)
r = Node()
gen_tree(r, 1)
Basically what I did
I opted for generating all the new nodes at the same time
So I won't have the headache of backtracking
And I hit max recursion. Great.
undone berry
I can't see where you're doing anything with the neighbours (children) in what you pasted
or any recursive calls
oh, the for loop is where your neighouring things up
rough sapphire
wait, what are you doing with your neighbors' children!?
undone berry
If I were you, I'd dissasociate the gamey stuff from the treey stuff at first
just get it working for the tree
then add the gamey bits
lime gazelle
@rough sapphire I'm making their childrens
lime gazelle
@undone berry That's what I'm doing
I don't have any gamey stuff, just nodes atm that hold a bunch of information
undone berry
width, height, color, x, and, y all seem to be not relevant to the tree to me
undone berry
Sure, so for now, don't think of it in terms of rooms
just completely cut that part out of your code for now
lime gazelle
class Blob():
def __init__(self, neighbors):
self.neighbors = neighbors
def generate(nodes, depth, count):
if(depth > 5 and count == MAX_ROOM_NUM):
return True
else:
new_node_list = []
for node in nodes:
for index,branch in enumerate(node.neighbors):
if(branch == None and random.randint(1, 3) != 1 and count < MAX_ROOM_NUM ):
new_blob = Blob([None]*MAX_ROOM_NUM)
node.neighbors[index] = new_blob
new_node_list.append(new_blob)
generate(new_node_list, depth = depth + 1, count = count + len(new_node_list))
```
Like so?Also idk if my idea of "blooming" each node at the same time is good
undone berry
if(depth > 5 and count == MAX_ROOM_NUM): is that right? WIth that, there's a chance you exceed the maximum room count
lime gazelle
why?
If depth is 6 and count is 20, it's done
Oh
Yeah
Well it returns None now >:I
I removed the max count
Does it work for you?
undone berry
Yup, playing around with the constants and where I generate the nodes gives different results
lime gazelle
Idk why mine isn't
Like
it does, but when it return it return None
and idk why
probably missing a return somewhere?
undone berry
You never return a blob object or a list - the only thing you ever return is True
lime gazelle
def generate(nodes, depth):
if(depth == 5):
return nodes
else:
new_node_list = []
for node in nodes:
for index,branch in enumerate(node.neighbors):
if(branch == None and random.randint(1, 3) != 1):
new_blob = Blob([None]*MAX_ROOM_NEIGH)
node.neighbors[index] = new_blob
new_node_list.append(new_blob)
depth += 1
generate(new_node_list, depth )
root_blob = Blob([None] * MAX_ROOM_NEIGH)
print(generate([root_blob], 0))``` new_node_list = []
for node in nodes:
for index,branch in enumerate(node.neighbors):
if(branch == None and random.randint(1, 3) != 1 and count < MAX_ROOM_NUM ): # if the randint hits 3, then you skip this if
new_blob = Blob([None]*MAX_ROOM_NUM)
node.neighbors[index] = new_blob
new_node_list.append(new_blob)
generate(new_node_list, depth = depth + 1, count = count + len(new_node_list)) # WHen you skip the if, new_node_list is empty, so the for loop doesn't happen and you return None
with the sudoku I didn't return anything, and it worked
undone berry
Those comments explain why
lime gazelle
but I can't initialize it anywhere else
undone berry
Yours works for me
lime gazelle
wtf
undone berry
MAX_ROOM_NEIGH = 9
def generate(nodes, depth):
if(depth == 5):
return nodes
else:
new_node_list = []
for node in nodes:
for index,branch in enumerate(node.neighbors):
if(branch == None and random.randint(1, 3) != 1):
new_blob = Blob([None]*MAX_ROOM_NEIGH)
node.neighbors[index] = new_blob
new_node_list.append(new_blob)
depth += 1
generate(new_node_list, depth )
root_blob = Blob([None] * MAX_ROOM_NEIGH)
print(generate([root_blob], 0))
print(root_blob)
you're printing the result of generate
which will always be none
or true
lime gazelle
:/
I'm so...OOOOH!
Ok I have another question now.
I can traverse a tree recursively like I generated it. It's almost the same.
But how do I represent it?
undone berry
Representing it is very difficult. The __repr__ way I've done it is a janky way of doing it
lime gazelle
Also my tree is very janky. Like.
It only has one node visibile. You have to dig into it to see the others.
I'm doing it wrong.
autumn herald
nice
lime gazelle
playing with this stuff makes my pc heat so much
My fans kicked in.
Gn yall 😄
I'm pretty happy about what I did today! I feel like I've learn something!
blazing tinsel
hi
undone berry
@rough sapphire You've probably figured it out by now, but I wrote an attempted explanation for your JS woes earlier that you might have missed. If you're still trying to figure it out, here's the link to the message: https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/701079391991496774
Didn't want to @ you earlier because it seemed like you wanted a break
rough sapphire
hey I appreciate that. haha. But I dont mind if you @ me generally. But if I seem like I want a break, thats a good reason not to. I'll check it out
Ah, I actually didnt figure that out because I went right to bed around that time
Makes sense, thank you
hola hola
Damn when I scrolled I saw this article that gdude posted earlier. https://www.wired.com/story/lee-holloway-devastating-decline-brilliant-young-coder/
that is pretty terrifying.
low shadow
i didnt read it anyways
soft violet
@lime gazelle It's a little sad, yes. Sadder, perhaps, for his friends and family.
It was a neurophysiology thing.
lime gazelle
lime gazelle
I kinda want to change my tree into a graph but that will be a headache
soft violet
You could turn it into a table, @lime gazelle
gentle moss
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rock.
bowdiggy
solid pollen
Sure bisk
rough sapphire
bawitdaba da bang da bang diggy diggy diggy
gentle moss
diggy said the boogie said up jump the boogie
it's amazing he's made a career as some white trash
rough sapphire
i used to like kid rock as a kid
gentle moss
he's anything but white trash you know
sand goblet
As a kid, did you kid rock to kid rock?
sand goblet
They only got through the first line of this fairly traditional Irish sounding song however
"Well I know my name is Ritchie but my girlfriend calls me Dick, and she's got Dick on her mind, all the time.."
gentle moss
hah
gentle moss
https://twitch.tv/beehivekay - Quake 1 run again. aiming sub 20m.
low shadow
my name is kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid
@gentle moss really?
hey kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid
soft violet
Did anyone watch Gumby when they were younger?
I'm pretty sure I still have a toy of him, somewhere.
low shadow
i just love bisk new name
soft violet
Maybe you were more of a Fantastic 4 kind of person.
low shadow
who' or 1=1#?
low shadow
ok
bash: warning: command substitution: ignored null byte in input from this command echo $(./$1 2>/dev/null) 2>/dev/null even i used 2>/dev/null HOW DO I FIX THIS ERROR OR NOT TO DISPLAY THIS ERROR
rough sapphire
@gentle moss you post a kid rock video and Machineyadav gets a bash warning, coincidence? i think not
low shadow
wtf, it must be coincidence singe age 16 doesnt denote (children or kid) but adolescent
😎
@rough sapphire got it . And help me fix bash error
gentle moss
what are you trying to do there mach
low shadow
where $1 = asm ( nasm compiled using elf64 and then done ld )
its a assembly programming i m trying to run
but produces output as well as error
solid pollen
I don't think redirecting stderr to /dev/null is really a good idea
gentle moss
^
for a start
you shouldn't have to double pipe stderr like that either
that's probably why the error is happening.
"command substitution" implies it's the evaluated $() section
if you're just running it, why are you evaluating it?
low shadow
ok
echoing produces extra line
like this
root@kali-linux: ld .......
outputroot@kali-linux:
similar output
but echoing
gentle moss
it's also possible your ASM program is returning null bytes
gentle moss
the dumb thing to do would be to strip the nullbytes out
solid pollen
The smart thing would be to not produce null bytes
gentle moss
^
low shadow
ok
why is my nasm not working when i previously runned same command it didnt produce error
gentle moss
just did some messing in bash
low shadow
root@kali-linux:~/HDD/Machinexa/Learn/learninglinux/assembly# nasm -f elf64 asm3.asm
nasm: fatal: unable to open output file `asm3.o'
it's definitely your ASM program
solid pollen
We aren't in your computer you know
gentle moss
not bash
rough sapphire
on the topic of dumb things you probably shouldn't do: i save screenshots directly into a variable in bash https://github.com/neonsea/shincludes/blob/master/common-aliases/screenshot.sh#L17
gentle moss
i am not an assembly programmer
i can't help you mate
you're going to have to hit up google.
haha
nice xx
low shadow
whats meaning of that i save screenshots directly into a variable in bash
how can screenshot be saved in variable
gentle moss
he's storing the data of a screenshot in a bash variable.
solid pollen
Raw bytes I guess
low shadow
he's storing the data of a screenshot in a bash variable.
@gentle moss how
gentle moss
by the looks, yeah
solid pollen
Yeah
low shadow
wait
gentle moss
well a screenshot is just data. you just store that data inside a variable.
solid pollen
everything is data
gentle moss
:D
solid pollen
everything is variable
low shadow
where is the variable
well a screenshot is just data. you just store that data inside a variable.
@gentle moss
gentle moss
mate
rough sapphire
in memory
solid pollen
I mean..
gentle moss
he posted the bash script
solid pollen
In a bash variable
low shadow
all thing is getting over my head can u explain me clearly which variable i saved where
i dont see any variables
do you see
solid pollen
Did you looked at the code
low shadow
which code?
gentle moss
aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhh
rough sapphire
i literally highlighted the line with the variable
SCREENSHOT
that is a variable
low shadow
SCREENSHOT=$(maim -u -s /proc/self/fd/1 2> /dev/null) this?
solid pollen
You see, the blue thing there is what we call an url
It points to a place on the world wide web
low shadow
lol
gentle moss
🤦♀️
rough sapphire
what the hell is going on in this chat
gentle moss
i wouldn't worry about it
low shadow
can u explain me how is SCREENSHOT=$(maim -u -s /proc/self/fd/1 2> /dev/null) this code running in my computer
rough sapphire
????
low shadow
how is screenshot variable in my computer
rough sapphire
please stop trolling
solid pollen
maim -u -s /proc/self/fd/1 2> /dev/null gets evaluated and stored in SCREENSHOT
low shadow
so
gentle moss
i'ma compooooterrr. stop all the downloading.
low shadow
i m storing screenshot in variable
rough sapphire
beep boop
low shadow
rough sapphire
@low shadow ... this is just something I do in my script
wasn't that the guy that died paragliding?
low shadow
see its saved in pictures not variable
rough sapphire
i don't know how this is related to you at all
low shadow
who is it related then
rough sapphire
oh wait, it was king of random that died in a paragliding accident
solid pollen
It's just xx's mad library of mad shell scripts
low shadow
xx said its dumb thing to do then why xx does uses variable to store screenshot
gentle moss
the mad is in the wrong place.
it's not a mad library
they're mad scripts
yeee boiii
solid pollen
Gotta trust you on that one