#ot1-perplexing-regexing

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plucky ridge
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Hard to complain when you chose to do it

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I doubt you're being forced to help

bright swallow
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@plucky ridge I'm not xD

plucky ridge
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Would be a weird hostage situation. "HELP ME INSTALL ARCH! YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!"

bright swallow
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ikr

rough sapphire
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relevant xkcd

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https://xkcd.com/1168/

xkcd: tar
I don't know what's worse--the fact that after 15 years of using tar I still can't keep the flags straight, or that after 15 years of technological advancement I'm still mucking with tar flags that were 15 years old when I started.
plucky ridge
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And yet it's still ungodly common

rough sapphire
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tar is great

plucky ridge
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Actually I kind of feel like that's how a lot of Unix/Linux things are

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Like they're crazy commonly used but still need to be looked up all the time

rough sapphire
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they try to make the command options memorable

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but just fail

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iunno

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tar xf is pretty memorable

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yeah but

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doesn't get more memorable than extract file

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you have to remember that it's x and not e, and "extract", not "unzip" or whatever

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and that it requires the "f" parameter

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why would tar archives be related to "unzip" in any way

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zip is a windows thing

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I know

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but that's how the memory works

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you basically have to know it's extract

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not guess

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what other action would you perform on an archive

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okay. I guess that comic is then wrong.

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since we have a counter-example.

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yeah idk why he chose tar as tar is really easy to remember

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should've selected something like

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create a symbolic link without messing up the target and the source

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gets me every time

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well now that's actually easy

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you only have to do it 200 times

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then you know.

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i've just memorized it as "behaves exactly like cp"

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heh. good one.

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and yet i still doubt myself every time

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I memorized it "the new name I want to use will be last"

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I think the moral of the story is that even something as simple as some ncurses text ascii graphics popup on top of the ln box when trying to fill in the arguments would help

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with arrows or somethign

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now that would make more people adopt the command line and linux...

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actually...

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zsh + oh-my-zsh has that...

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 dev@ursa-minor  ~  ln --relative
--backup               -b      -- create a backup of each existing destination file
--directory            -F  -d  -- allow the superuser to attempt to hard link directories
--force                -f      -- remove existing destination files
--help                         -- display usage information and exit
--interactive          -i      -- prompt before removing destination files
--logical              -L      -- create hard links to symbolic link references
--no-dereference       -n      -- treat destination symbolic link to a directory as if it were a normal file
--no-target-directory  -T      -- treat destination as a normal file
--physical             -P      -- create hard links directly to symbolic links
--relative             -r      -- create symbolic links relative to link location
--suffix               -S      -- override default backup suffix
--symbolic             -s      -- create symbolic links instead of hard links
--target-directory     -t      -- specify directory in which to create the links
--verbose              -v      -- print name of each linked file
--version                      -- display version information and exit
``` and you can tab through those
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yeah i was gonna say

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zsh already tells me what i'm completing

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those autocompletions come in super handy when working for instance with docker

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not having to remember the names of the images\containers is a blessing

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aye

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also git branchnames

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zsh is great

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I've got it so it also tells me the status

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! is uncommitted changes, + is added files, etc

rough sapphire
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who cares about such trivial details? just git commit -am "LEEEROYYY"

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I guess those features come naturally through pycharm so they kinda get ingrained into the brain without ever having to think about them as "uncommitted changes" because that's just the "blue icon"

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blue icon means : click git commit, red icon means : click git add

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yeah, I don't really use graphical git integrations

plucky ridge
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PyCharm's one isn't too bad

rough sapphire
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the pycharm git thing definitely doesn't get in your way

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but it's there when needed

undone berry
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They also improved it in the most recent update

plucky ridge
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Although it can be a bit fussy

undone berry
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you can now have it as a thing on the side

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instead of only a separate window

plucky ridge
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"Hey uh.... did you want to add this new file? Hmm? Hmm? Didya?"

rough sapphire
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that... sounds familiar

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I was trying to be a master of the .idea directory at some point but just decided to add it completely into .gitignore because it never transferred nicely over a clone\commit\push

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there were always changed files

plucky ridge
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Yeeeeep

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But I still prefer to use it

undone berry
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There's a plugin thats meant to make it suitable for remotes

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iirc

plucky ridge
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I'm more confident in knowing what it's going to do rather than me have to piece together what I should do

sand goblet
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the ignore plugin does that

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it's great

plucky ridge
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That's the one that pregens a big ol' ignore list, right?

rough sapphire
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except it doesn't work

plucky ridge
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And like parts it out into sections?

rough sapphire
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I mean the premade IDEA .gitignore list

plucky ridge
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Weird

sand goblet
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it does do that

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but it can also ignore only the stuff in .idea which is unsafe to push

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actually it does that by default if you have it generate the ignore file

plucky ridge
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Is it a matter of it not being safe or not being useful to push?

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Because I thought most of it was like config data for your session

sand goblet
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Some of it is

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but some of it you do want in the repo

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like style settings, run configs

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stuff like that

pearl horizon
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oh wow.. this is horrible

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playing with discord settings and decided to enable light mode again for the first time in a couple years

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still sucks. dark mode, here i come

wide pine
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light mode should be removed

sand goblet
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wut, of course it shouldn't

rough sapphire
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@wheat lynx i bet you're not a real wookie

wheat lynx
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I bet I am

rough sapphire
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that's what a wookie wannabe would say

wheat lynx
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That is me

rough sapphire
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he's a REAL wookie

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or she..?

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i'm actually surprised that a wookie managed to even fit into a power rangers suit

wheat lynx
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It's magic

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I had to shave myself actually

plucky ridge
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hawt

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I guess the Power Ranger suit wouldn't fit otherwise

rough sapphire
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the new mtg set will have 🦦

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this is a brandnew world for us magic players. playing our favorite tribal deck, the otter.

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the otter will climb walls, the otter will swim rivers and scale mountains, it will steal all of the hearts and minds.

quaint rivet
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blue is evil though d_

rough sapphire
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but so are otters.

quaint rivet
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i miss mtg, i jumped ship from arena after they made their battle pass

undone berry
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Seems like a pretty dumb card

quaint rivet
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im also currently re-installing it lol

undone berry
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Otterly pointless

plucky ridge
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🦦 Okay, looking at the angle that the otter is at, it looks like someone is just shooting him out of a cannon

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Or is that just me

undone berry
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I can't see what you mean. No matter if I look at it this way or the otter

plucky ridge
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You otter be ashamed of yourself

undone berry
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(that's a lie I totally see the cannonotter)

plucky ridge
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He needs a little dare devil helmet

rough sapphire
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man, the puns need to stop - this is getting out of hand otterwise

plucky ridge
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Water you talking about? I think you're just being shellfish, wanting to hog all the puns for yourself.

quaint rivet
undone berry
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Probably an unset card

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Search scryfall

rough sapphire
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uwu wats dat

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some python mtg thing?

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weird selection of types

quaint rivet
undone berry
quaint rivet
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jesus how many lands is that

rough sapphire
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@quaint rivet do you have any idea if there's some price dataset available for cards

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price history

undone berry
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BBBBBBBBBBBBBBB is the cost

quaint rivet
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i would look at scryfalls api

undone berry
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Their api is great

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Scryfall that is

opal timber
undone berry
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Random not even interesting fact about Scryfall - one of the people who helped make it (CubeApril) is a security engineer or some shit at Mozilla

quaint rivet
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id say thats mildly interesting

undone berry
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I'm currently considering dropping a bunch of money on Arena

rough sapphire
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@quaint rivet make friends, play brawl!

undone berry
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but I haven't paid attention to mtg in years

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Except to collect random cards

rough sapphire
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there are two ways to play Historic Brawl (well, three if you have real life friends too) but one is arenabrawl.net and then the second is to join a brawling discord

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is this that dragons of dungeons game i keep hearing so much about

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historic brawl 💌

undone berry
quaint rivet
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i feel like arena's one of those games where if you dont pump some money into it semi-weekly youre gonna fall behind, its a fun game, i just wish i had more control over what i got if im gonna spend that money

rough sapphire
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@quaint rivet for standard it's true

undone berry
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I think the trick is to be able to drop ~50usd every set drop

rough sapphire
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but arena is still pretty "tame" compared to cardboard. you can keep up realistically with 400-500 dollars per year and play anything

undone berry
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or your gonna have to grind for some stuff

quaint rivet
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like i dont mind throwing money at mtg, i just wish i was able to buy cards directly instead of relying on rng or wildcards

undone berry
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You can do that with MTGO - but its more expensive, less nice to use, and the players are more competitive

quaint rivet
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yeah mtgo isnt cute enough for me

undone berry
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MTGA is nice to use, but you can't play cube or modern on it

rough sapphire
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but I honestly like putting the 100 to 150 dollars per new set because it feels like I'm getting something worthwhile and I'm not being ripped off

undone berry
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All I want is a decent way to play EDH online

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and decent people to play EDH online with

quaint rivet
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whats edh

rough sapphire
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commander

quaint rivet
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never played commander

undone berry
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100card version of brawl

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and pretty much all cards are legal

rough sapphire
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EDH = elder dragon highlander. the original name for commander.

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before it was an official format

quaint rivet
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i should look into tabletop simulator mtg, though that sounds kind of awful

undone berry
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yeah, I just type EDH because its shorter than commander and I'm used to all the rarted MTG slang

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Playing MTG in any client that doesn't enforce the rules seems miserable

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Stuff like having to manually draw every turn would get irritating

sand goblet
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Oh hey, that drawer has like three new steam games worth of cards in it

quaint rivet
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just positioning all the cards sounds abysmal lol, you can script actions in tabletop sim though, so maybe it wouldnt be that bad

rough sapphire
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@undone berry wanna trade for oracle of mul dayas

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those lands

undone berry
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posting mtg cards is a pain in the ass

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so no

rough sapphire
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checking if MCM's API would provide the data for prices

undone berry
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it does, yeah

rough sapphire
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I'm only seeing access to your profile\stuff management basically

undone berry
rough sapphire
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they have something that they call a price guide

undone berry
rough sapphire
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ok so that's the latest snapshot

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I wonder how much you would have to pay them to get their data...

undone berry
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oh maybe not

rough sapphire
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i don't think they let you access history

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that stuff is not on the website so why would the api give it to you

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you'd have to start collecting it yourself

undone berry
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So i'm pretty sure you can get USD price history

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and I think you probably can for EUR price history as well

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I doubt you could do particularly effective quant trading though

rough sapphire
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well I'm not looking for trading

undone berry
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Well, by quant trading I mean algorithmic buying/selling

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as in the stock market meaning of quant trading

rough sapphire
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i'm looking to predict maybe things like "what card should theoretically have a lot of potential to break in the future"

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i have some ideas on how that might be doable

undone berry
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There's a lot of dumb people doing "MTG finance" and making money off it - probably also a few smart ones. I imagine there is some room for that kinda stuff

rough sapphire
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or "what card shows a lot of missing synergies but looks like a strong card otherwise"

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"what card shows a lot of synergies already but can still get more valuable"

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"what card is overvalued currently"

undone berry
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There's tonnes of strategies for that kind of speculation. Just google MTG finance and there's probably stuff you can read if you want to look at what people already try

rough sapphire
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sure

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but I need data 😉

undone berry
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Here's one interesting example. A guy on the site I linked does weekly "Budget magic decks" where he makes playable decks that are affordable - almost every single week as soon as the article releases, those cards spike on MTGO

rough sapphire
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seth?

undone berry
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yeah

rough sapphire
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heh. he was good

undone berry
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spbaso

rough sapphire
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or is

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there was also the ben bleiweiss or what his name was

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that used to do it back in the day

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the column was called "Building on a budget" i think

undone berry
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I just like the Seth example because its such a noticable trend - and I imagine if anyone could figure out his decklists ahead of time, they could make regular money

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but probably less than a decent full time job

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if you're looking at $/h

rough sapphire
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checking out for if this bleiweiss guy did anything really funny worth mentioning.

undone berry
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Alright; do I drop ~100eur on random cards on MKM, or do I drop ~100gbp on MTGA?

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or do I buy a keyboard

rough sapphire
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MTGA easy

solid pollen
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none?

undone berry
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You don't seem to understand my determination to waste money

solid pollen
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Fair 'nuff haha

quaint rivet
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im considering jumping back in to arena

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though im not looking forward to remaking my decks at all

solid pollen
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I palyed mtg some times ago, I wanted to get a deck, but I looked some prices online

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NOPE

undone berry
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I think standard at the moment is meant to be bad - historic is what I want to check out

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and yeah, MTG is expensive if you want to play any format besides kitchen table or EDH

rough sapphire
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@undone berry i'm not sure competitive historic is worth much either but

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i've personally fallen in love with smashing brawl because it's just so... creative?

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plus the investment isn't huge

undone berry
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The kind of magic I enjoy is the semi-competitive stuff - playing decks that aren't the best, but can reasonably go toe to toe with the best

quaint rivet
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i like off meta shit, mill decks for example

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though i had some gnarly angel decks too

undone berry
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The decks I like are the stuff thats at the shit end of meta

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oh - IKO releases in a few weeks

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I guess I may as well wait for that

rough sapphire
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doesn't really matter if you're aiming for wild cards

undone berry
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Yeah, but I'll probably get a standard deck, and I don't want to burn wildcards on shit

rough sapphire
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yuss

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that's a good purchase in these covid times, friend.

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now you're safe and sound.

quaint rivet
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christ

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i think im just gonna grab the battle pass in 5 days when the current one is up

quaint rivet
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this sdk is the most fun ive had with python so far haha

rough sapphire
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Should i learn JavaScript ?

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Well there is no JavaScript discord . If anyone have one feel free to dm me the invite 😃

terse sluice
undone berry
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Ah - thanks

terse sluice
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from charlie

undone berry
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didn't realise it was banned

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was about to offer to DM it

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I've only asked for help there once - so I can't speak too much for the quality - but it seems like its probably ok

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You didn't need to delete the message @quaint rivet I was about to ask where they source their data from

quaint rivet
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i didnt blur out one of the many times it displayed my name haha

undone berry
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oh sure

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If you have your face on your Discord, why are you worried about your name?

rough sapphire
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Thanks

undone berry
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or is that someone else's face?

rough sapphire
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Or is it a face ?

quaint rivet
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no, thats my real face. though i dont see a reason to give a big server like this more personal info than i need to

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if people want to find me they probably can either way dunno
most likely just being parinoid

undone berry
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Thats fair - I'm one of the people who's given up trying to keep real life and online separate

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I'm about as doxxable as it gets

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What is your profile then hhDude, is it a famous person?

quaint rivet
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not sure what you mean

undone berry
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If thats not your real face

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who's is it?

quaint rivet
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that is my real face

undone berry
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o

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I'm bad at reading

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Ignore me being dumb

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That booster generation thing is dope - I assume you can make custom sets and then use that for cubing or whatever

quaint rivet
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id imagine so, though im still just jumping from feature to feature

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i think my next project is gonna be a deckbuilder that pulls from cards in my library

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scraping my log files looks like a pain in the ass and im for sure not entering it all by hand

rough sapphire
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Black + Blue / Blue decks are 😙👌

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But then again I'm the type of person that plays Pikachu on Smash Bros. and hops around thundering everything.

undone berry
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Smash bros is such an enigma to me - I'm unbelievably bad, but I'm also drawn to it

rough sapphire
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I'm not remotely close to a competitive level. I initially started with Fox on the original 64 version, and moved to Pikachu shortly after

quaint rivet
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ewww dimir, thought erasure can eat my whole ass

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b/w or b/w/g > all

undone berry
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strong agree

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Abzan all the way

quaint rivet
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prob my favorite

rough sapphire
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I haven't played in like 5~ years now

quaint rivet
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im trying to convince myself its not worth the money i know ill spend on it again

rough sapphire
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It's very much sunk cost

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"I've spent so much money, I'm bound to blah blah blah"

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Also known as the gambler's fallacy

quaint rivet
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i cant even make that argument, all my decks are illegal now. i dont really have any misguided commitments to the game anymore. i just think its a good passtime

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but you pretty much get dunked on without some kind of monetary investment

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unless youre playing like every day for 2-3 hours for the coins and free boosters which is pretty unreasonable for most people

rough sapphire
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Which is how most games are anymore

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Highly manipulative, daily rewards.

undone berry
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I despise those manipulation tactics- but they're so prevalent now its just depressing

quaint rivet
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yeah i was pretty bummed out when i saw they were adding their version of the battle pass

rough sapphire
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@quaint rivet that deck is perfectly legal in historic

quaint rivet
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yeah, fair enough

rough sapphire
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and yeah that deck looks suh-weet

quaint rivet
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i feel like theres gonna be some busted ass shit in historic though

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as that pool gets bigger anyways

undone berry
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I don't think historic is too busted - but you'd probably want to make changes

rough sapphire
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do they have like casual and ranked historic separately

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I don't remember

quaint rivet
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ive only looked at my decks since reinstalling, no idea

rough sapphire
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well you have just "play" which I guess is technically "casual historic" but you can get whatever there

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the play lets you play anything

quaint rivet
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yeah im probably just being cynical for no reason, its not like they’re deleting my cards

rough sapphire
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well try making a historic brawl deck or something. that's fun. we can play tomorrow?

quaint rivet
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sure ill give it a shot, ill ping you with my username next time i see it

rough sapphire
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sure. there's a trick to making the deck since brawl is technically only standard. the only way to do the historic part is playing against friends\challenging people so you have to specifically choose "friendly brawl" from the deck type list

undone berry
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@rough sapphire remind me at some point in the future and I'll also play brawl

quaint rivet
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@rough sapphire @undone berry my username is devise#24038 if you wanna add me

orchid gale
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I have no idea what's going on.

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Trying to upload a Discord bot and get it running.

plain slate
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@orchid gale probably a question for a help channel, they are just under us on the left side (currently #help-broccoli and #help-popcorn)

quaint rivet
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dunno if i just found a workaround for the rate limit or just made a 280MB file with 6.6 million lines for no reason lol..

📎 image0.jpg
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in hindsight i definitely dont need all the whitespace i thought was gonna make it more readable

solid pollen
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Which video editing software would you recommend on Linux?

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Since premiere is, well, unavailable

gentle moss
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shotcut?

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lightworks is also somewhat popular i think

lime gazelle
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Hiya! I got an ergonomic mouse (the vertical one) and an ergonomic pad

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Should I use just one?

rough sapphire
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that's really a matter of personal preference :p

lime gazelle
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Cause it's kinda not comfy 😦

rough sapphire
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Preference unlocked

lime gazelle
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GWeniSadNeko But I like both!

rough sapphire
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you could put them in a glass tank and treat them like pets?

lime gazelle
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😮

quaint rivet
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the vertical mouse would make a dope shark fin

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probably

lime gazelle
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Jokes aside, are they made to be used together?

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Cause maybe it's just a matter of habit

quaint rivet
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not sure, i guess? i think its just your first-ish time using them and you aren’t used to it yet, like breaking in a new pair of shoes or whatever.

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i hate almost every new mouse i get for like a week cause its not the exact same shape as my last one then im good

lime gazelle
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Also doesn't help that the ergonomic pad is shaped like a cat paw

quaint rivet
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mmm, maybe lol

rough sapphire
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@quaint rivet sent a friend request on MTGA.

quaint rivet
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ok, im heading to bed soon (7am lol) but ill accept it when i can

rough sapphire
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heh. just woke up.

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go to sleep now.

pearl horizon
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[master 3e80e26] Update `README.md`, `CONTRIBUTING.md`
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Finally wrote out a proper readme. git merge issues/hopes_dreams

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Hm. Looks like GitHub Actions is getting wonky. Having some failures out of nowhere, that seem to have started a couple hours ago. GitHub status says degraded service. Hopefully it's them, and not me lol

dry idol
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Not a pc expert so looking for a bit of help diagnosing my problem - hoping for one of you to be a bit more knowledgable - my pc keeps on turning off randomly or completely freezes but stays on. I'd put this to overheating before as one of the fans stopped spinning but I've since fixed that and also realised if it gets a small kick etc it also turns off suggesting something might be loose? It all started when I moved my pc from uni so could be that. I've had a few different errors, some with no text, some with broken text but the most recent blue screen was kernel security error which I've already troubleshooted but freezing still persists. Any ideas?

rough sapphire
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sounds like a mechanical problem of some kind yeah. it might be overheating in the sense that the heatsink gets detached a bit from the CPU core? or maybe one of the cards or PSU cables gets detached from the mobo?

dry idol
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tysm 🙂 would you say its risky or not? as i can either try now and risk f'ing the pc up - or living with it and visiting the PC shop after quarantine @rough sapphire

soft violet
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You might just need to jiggle things inside.

undone berry
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use hwmonitor or something to keep an eye on temps

soft violet
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Taking the appropriate precautions for such an operation. Antistatic, personal electrical safety, not screwing up the cpu/heatsink paste or bending pins.

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Like our desktop can be a bit vulnerable to physical shock. Sometimes I think the cards get a bit...not loose, but...off.

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Things got a bit better when I moved it out of accidental kicking/kneeing range. I'd knee it and it'd freeze or restart.

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But then also I think newer linux setups weren't managing the cpu clock scaling properly, either, so stability there was an issue until I locked that down in software...as distinct from the cmos...which the os kept overriding.

summer knot
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@dry idol I'm gonna throw in another possibility -- dirty power

quaint rivet
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charlie, are trackers still a thing for mtga? if so can you reccomend one? i forget which one i even used to use

summer knot
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Do you have your PC running off a UPS?

dry idol
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alright thanks - ive moved my pc a good distance away - and so youre suggesting to check and tighten all the screws?

undone berry
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I never really looked into trackers

dry idol
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im not sure what ups is? i may have accidentally switched onto an old cable though?

summer knot
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@dry idol "Uninterruptible power supply" - I have all my electronics on one of these now. Battery back-up, plus power filtering

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I used to live in a house with REALLY bad wiring, and I bought one of those because the power would flicker constantly. I found out later that even outside of such conditions, the power that comes out of the wall outlets is often "noisy", and that can contribute to the degradation of electronics

soft violet
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There should be powerboards which level that out.

summer knot
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They're not cheap but I recommend them unreservedly to anyone with a desktop PC

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yes, but this also helps when the power drops altogether!

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(and that happens here with dismaying regularity)

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It's just something else I thought I'd throw in

dry idol
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alright ill look into it 🙂

quaint rivet
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rowbo i fully enjoy your avatar btw

summer knot
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@dry idol Motion seconded in re avatar :D

dry idol
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❤️ beats my old jacob sartorius one lmao

bleak lintel
#

test

pine vector
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_ ❗ _

cold pewter
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hey

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anyone know how make command in bashrc to run in background

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?

rough sapphire
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append & to the end of it

cold pewter
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lemme check

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@rough sapphire

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thank you @rough sapphire 🙂 it worked

rough sapphire
#

👍

bleak lintel
#

@rough sapphire by data you mean message logs?

#

They're stored in our database, yeah

#

I'm tempted to write to the ICO about this, since Discord does not provide us with reliable information about deletions

#

not to accuse them, but more to ask how should we handle this

rough sapphire
#

They should definitely have a protocol in place

#

and it sounds like a great idea since your Dad can help

bleak lintel
#

I do get what you mean with the 6 months though, for logs I can see that they aren't going to be perpetually useful like the infraction system, and I am tempted to implement a system for that

sand goblet
#

What's the context for that?

bleak lintel
#

I'll link to the start

sand goblet
#

Ah, I see

#

That's right, yeah, Discord expects you to poll to check for user deletions

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instead of just telling you

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I remember being annoyed about that way back when they added the data stuff to the ToS RE bots

bleak lintel
#

though that isn't what the ICO says is protocol

#

we should not have to get it from them, nor do we have to

sand goblet
#

That's right, yeah

bleak lintel
#

The GDPR specifies two circumstances where you should tell other organisations about the erasure of personal data:

  • the personal data has been disclosed to others; or
  • the personal data has been made public in an online environment (for example on social networks, forums or websites).
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If you have disclosed the personal data to others, you must contact each recipient and inform them of the erasure, unless this proves impossible or involves disproportionate effort. If asked to, you must also inform the individuals about these recipients.

rough sapphire
#

this paragraph makes more sense in context

#

consider this:

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you are a marketing firm specialising in data

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so you take info from the national register or something

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then someone phones up because they received spam mail

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you're supposed to inform the companies you sold the data to that they want their info removed

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because it's unrealistic to go down that rabbit hole

sand goblet
#

The problem is that Discord requires bots that store data on users to delete/anonymise that data when an account is deleted

#

but they're unwilling to actually make that easy for the developers

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which means that you're going to have quite a lot of bad implementations

rough sapphire
#

define "anonymise" because that's an issue joe and i are talking about kinda

sand goblet
#

I usually use the GDPR definition of PII

bleak lintel
#

speaking to my dad about it now

#

he says that the real solution is for us as an organisation to review the information regularly and see if we are happy with what we hold

rough sapphire
#

‘pseudonymisation’ means the processing of personal data in such a manner that the personal data can no longer be attributed to a specific data subject without the use of additional information, provided that such additional information is kept separately and is subject to technical and organisational measures to ensure that the personal data are not attributed to an identified or identifiable natural person;

bleak lintel
#

because we have the ability to delete the data easily upon request we are good

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and we don't have to if we feel that it's required

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so we may do a partial erasure

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in his words "everyone would be calling the police to delete their criminal record and the police would tell them to fuck off"

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so we don't have to delete message logs if we feel they are useful

#

we can retain the right to keep message logs on hand if we feel the user is deleting the content to evade punishment, even if it has PII in

#

so at the end of this, what I am understanding from my father is that, even though we get personal data from Discord, we should be the ones making the call on whether to delete that data, in most situations that may be valid and we can erase some data, but it will almost always be a partial erasure because infraction data, and in some cases message logs, are important to the smooth running of the community

#

the key is the response, the issue is when people request deletion and no action is taken and no one has a clue how to delete the data or what information we have on a person

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luckily since every user has an identifier it's very easy for us to find that quickly

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and delete it

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but my fathers suggestion of a semi-regular review of what data we hold does sound like a good idea, and one that I'd like to perform for the data we hold

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and that probably would remove the majority of anti-spam message logs

rough sapphire
#

what does your Dad say about if someone has a linked github account in their comment with their linked contact info? that seems like an issue

gentle moss
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that's public anyway

bleak lintel
#

yeah so I asked about what if there was PII in the message logs

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that's irrelevant

#

because if we deem the message log useful for future operation, we keep it

#

and if we feel it's acceptable to delete it, we can delete that

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so my dad was saying if we had a "serial spammer" and had delete logs for that, we can keep that because we have justification there that they may offend again and it could be useful to have that information on hand

oak tangle
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We currently don't have a lot of messages stored and we could probably purge it automatically every so often; there's need for us to store it for the short term, but not much more

#

Other than the antispam, we don't keep message logs

rough sapphire
#

yeah, but where is the justification for not just replacing the message with <Message deleted>?

bleak lintel
#

it doesn't even have to be automatic, just a regular review as an organisation is sufficient

solid pollen
#

How many deleted messages are in the database right now, just out of curiosity?

bleak lintel
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which isn't hard, go through all the tables in DB

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will check now akarys

oak tangle
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We currently have a little over 200 anti-spam events, but it includes deletion events in private channels

bleak lintel
oak tangle
#

it doesn't even have to be automatic, just a regular review as an organisation is sufficient
@bleak lintel

No, but that would make it much easier

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I don't really see a reason to keep old messages around

bleak lintel
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yeah

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nor do I

oak tangle
#

that count looks a bit high, though

bleak lintel
#

it's definitely right

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232 deletion contexts

oak tangle
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We only have a little over 200 events, and most of them have 3 or 4 messages

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Not 30-35

bleak lintel
#

hm

solid pollen
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It stores all deleted messages

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Not only spam messages

bleak lintel
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it doesn't store all deleted messages

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those go to discord, not site

oak tangle
#

No, it certainly does not store all deleted messages

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Only antispam and clean commands

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Maybe there's a huge clean command in there of a test channel

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Can you find the max context with your SQL fu?

bleak lintel
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yep

oak tangle
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Right, that's from the bot net attack

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I think

bleak lintel
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ah wait

oak tangle
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It's a deletion of @royal lake error messages trying to mute a million users

bleak lintel
#

yeah

rough sapphire
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or, er, deletion

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i guess

#

... is this supposed to be publicly accessible?

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someone just nuked everything 🤔

oak tangle
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No it was not

#

We nuked it for that very reason

#

it was supposed to be behind an auth

rough sapphire
#

k

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well, that was a bit of a fail

oak tangle
#

yes

bleak lintel
#

yep

rough sapphire
#

what do you do with your spam messages

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can I have them

oak tangle
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We review them immediately after the filter triggered to judge if we need to yell at someone or maybe pardon their mute

rough sapphire
#

if you make it publicly available, it might be useful for NLP research and anti spam bots

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if you can that is..

bleak lintel
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I don't think we're interested in providing message datasets right now

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the content of the logs is super useless in most cases

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it's either python code or just random letters from a spam bot

rough sapphire
#

hmm yeah I understand.. most times it's a string of messages and not one

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ahhh

vapid bluff
#

chromium edge is really good

#

think i might not go back to chrome

undone berry
#

What does it do differently to Chrome?

vapid bluff
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the main ones from what ive seen so far: it's much faster and memory efficient, less cluttered ui, better privacy controls, and the integration with microsoft account might be seen as a plus for some

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iirc microsoft just went in and cut out a lot of the unnecessary excess

undone berry
#

If my win10 is mostly updated, will I have the Chromium version of edge?

vapid bluff
#

wasnt the case for me

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had to download it manually

#

not sure if that's how it is across the board

#

the old edge functions really well as an ebook reader

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so am still keeping it around for that

undone berry
#

What format is old-edge good for? Just epub?

vapid bluff
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not sure

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but i remember using it with epub

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dunno bout other formats

undone berry
#

hm - its pretty rare that I read epubs on desktop, but I do remember being it a pain in the ass. I'll try edge next time I guess

vapid bluff
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if you wanna insall chromium edge and keep legacy edge around there's some stuff you gotta do beforehand though

undone berry
#

For now I'll just leave Chromium edge - too much effort to switch away from Chrome at this point - I don't really have any problems with it

vapid bluff
#

thats fair

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i havent imported any of my stuff over yet

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hopefully wont be too hard

deep saffron
#

chromium edge sounds weird ... like a daily build of chromium, the newest test version, for those who wanna live on the edge

bleak lintel
sand goblet
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\o/

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I can't access that page

bleak lintel
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shucks

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what did I break

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try now?

sand goblet
#

Yep yep

bleak lintel
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👌

quaint rivet
#

Anonymous statistics is pretty vague, if youre looking for feedback

bleak lintel
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right, that's true

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hard to resolve though, the code for the statistics is fully open source

quaint rivet
#

maybe link to that in the what its used for column? that whole row doesnt explain much

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not trying to be a pest, just give feedback. i do think its cool you guys are actually telling people what you do collect though.

bleak lintel
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yeah no worries, it's good feedback

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I think I'll just create a new page for what stats we collect

quaint rivet
#

🤝

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||i washed||

bleak lintel
#

also added link to privacy page

quaint rivet
rough sapphire
#

Hey im not sure where to ask this but i got a raspberry pi and i would like to make it so my discord bot wont crash or when it does so it gets relaunched and also starts the bot on startup im using a raspberry pi 4 model b btw

sand goblet
#

Write a systemd unit

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I can't walk you through it right now but that's what you want

rough sapphire
#

no clue what that is

sand goblet
#

Linode has an article on it

rough sapphire
#

ty

rain heron
#

does pycharm has support for json files?

sand goblet
#

Yup

rain heron
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@sand goblet what is the plugin?

sand goblet
#

No idea, but mine does

rain heron
#

huh?

pearl horizon
#

Hm. Only played about 3 hours back in 2017. But think I'm gonna pick up Horizon Zero Dawn again. See if I can't get into it this time

rough sapphire
#

is that still an exclusive?

solid pollen
#

Looks like it is on steam

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Exclusivity often run out after a year

pearl horizon
#

I believe so. Haven't checked into that part yet. Nearly all my gaming, minus a couple small things is console

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Good to know it's available in other systems as well now 👌

rough sapphire
#

oh neat

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always wanted to check it out but

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well, not a console gamer

sand goblet
#

It's a great game, we have it on ps4

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But I would've preferred PC at the time

whole roost
#

Hypothetically, would a list implementation using hashmaps be effective?

rough sapphire
#

@whole roost compared to..?

#

python already has hashmaps, it's called a dictionary

whole roost
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a regular list

#

Yes

#

would you think it would be possible to create a O(1) list implementation?

rough sapphire
#

would it be possible? sure

#

but why go through all the effort when you already have it built-in?

# 
d = {0: "Item 1", 1: "Item 2", 2: "Item 3"}
d[2] # O(1)
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or i'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve

whole roost
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I do useless projects for a hobby

#

I just did it for the operator overloading

# 
lst = xlist @ [1, 2, 3]
lst << 4
# [1, 2, 3, 4]
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Just for the fun of it

soft violet
#

What's the @ at the front of the list? I haven't seen that.

#

Only ever in function decorators.

whole roost
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It's a matrix multiplication operator

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I overloaded it to convert any iterator to my own implementation

oak tangle
#

Isn't this just obfuscation for lst = xlist([1, 2, 3])?

#

That's the "normal" API for creating some iterable object from another iterable object

#

Just have a function that constructs it or have the __init__ of your custom type take an iterable

whole roost
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Yes, it's just an obfuscation

#

It's just an overload for the __init__

#

A minor question, let's say i have class

class Dummy:
  def __init__(self, *args):
    # Do some stuff
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Is it possible to overload the Class itself?

sand goblet
#

What do you mean by overload the class?

whole roost
#

Handle stuff like

foo = Dummy[..]
solid pollen
#

Handle indexing and slicing?

soft violet
#

@global Dummy?

whole roost
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On the class itself

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not on an instance

solid pollen
#

Make it a class method then

whole roost
#

No, let's say that:

# 
x = Dummy + #another class

I'm just wondering if it's possible

#

to overload an operator on the class itself, and not an instance

copper hatch
#

bruh i hate when people use foo

#

it's so easier to use x

soft violet
#

Overwrite the relevant dunder method and refer to the class itself?

solid pollen
#

You can make a classmethod dunder

whole roost
#

Hmm

#

Thanks for the suggestions

#

I think I have an idea

stuck meteor
rough sapphire
#

@copper hatch it's much easier to read code with foo, bar, foobar etc rather than x, y, z

#

any sort of code more complex than three lines would get harder to read

soft violet
#

I tried a little of tkinter. Ended up on kivy.

rough sapphire
#

foo is also an universally accepted "placeholder" name

#

as opposed to x etc which are used in production code

solid pollen
#

I'm pretty sure I can find foo in a production code

soft violet
#

I accept that foo and bar are things and that they're the convention. I just find them confusing for whatever reason, is all.

rough sapphire
#

sure you can

whole roost
#

Anything can be on production code

rough sapphire
#

you can find just about anything in production code

#

trust me, i know

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but it's not socially acceptable

solid pollen
#

Haha I trust you on that one

rough sapphire
#

*ptsd flashbacks to that one time I found a 1290-line if, if-else chain with tonnes of gotos sprinkled in there*

#

fuck production code

soft violet
#

Ew.

solid pollen
#

Outch.

rough sapphire
#

it's honestly like someone took the IDA decompiler's pseudocode output and used it as actual C code

whole roost
#

That's disgusting

plucky ridge
#

Struggling to properly wake up today

sand goblet
#

I know that feel

plucky ridge
#

I've already dumped over 20 hours into the FF7 remake

#

It's so good

undone berry
#

Do you think yo enjoy it because of nostalgia, or do you think it would be worth checking out if I have 0 experience with any jrpg ever?

plucky ridge
#

The latter, honestly. 7 wasn't ever really one of my big faves. The combat is really good, the characters are full of personality and you feel for them, and the game is just gorgeous. You can tell they put a lot of love into it

undone berry
#

I'll keep that in mind. I'm looking at getting a PS4 soonish for like 2 games, but I'll probably check out ff7 as well

sand goblet
#

I have a PS4, and while we do enjoy the games we have

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it's a small selection of games

undone berry
#

like 60% of the reason I want it is Ratched and Clank

plucky ridge
#

I will say, there are moments where it's nice to have a minor knowledge of the previous game, however it's not required. There are lots of changes to the game, and while a lot of the major plot points remain the same, the connecting pieces are different enough that you still don't know what to expect

#

Wait, what?

#

"Small selection"?

sand goblet
#

there's only one ratchet and clank game on it though

#

although it is very good

undone berry
#

yaeh - but I'm a sucker

plucky ridge
#

Are we talking about the same console?

sand goblet
#

well, yes, hemlock

plucky ridge
#

Define small selection

sand goblet
#

I mean, think about it

#

Playstation as a platform is known for stuff like

#

the fifa games, NBA, driving games, shooters

plucky ridge
#

Is it?

sand goblet
#

some of those are definitely exclusives

#

you have a few solid series

#

uncharted, ratchet and clank, now the last of us is technically a series

#

those are exclusive

plucky ridge
#

Because to my mind, it's known for things like The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Uncharted, I can go on

sand goblet
#

you have some absolutely fantastic fucking games, like horizon: zero dawn

plucky ridge
#

So I find it weird to say that it's defined by the sports games

sand goblet
#

which are no longer exclusives

plucky ridge
#

Also the selection of games is not at all small

sand goblet
#

and then you have a slew of great indies and none of those are exclusives

plucky ridge
#

Compared to PC? Sure

#

Well then qualify it

#

Are you saying just based on exclusives?

#

Or are you saying total

sand goblet
#

Well, exclusives are what sells a console, largely

#

FFXV, Horizon: Zero Dawn, are two fucking amazing PS4 games, and I played them on PS4

#

monster hunter: world

undone berry
#

Yeah, tbf, I would only be buying it for the exclusives

plucky ridge
#

Persona

sand goblet
#

but those games I'm listing aren't exclusives

#

FF7 is only a timed exclusive

plucky ridge
#

So?

sand goblet
#

so, if you already have a decent gaming PC, you're not going to buy a console to play them

solid pollen
#

MHW wasn't an exclusivity

plucky ridge
#

But I don't

sand goblet
#

you're just going to buy them on steam and maybe buy a controller

plucky ridge
#

And I don't want to pay to upgrade my rig when I have a console (and for most it would be cheaper to get a console) to play it on

sand goblet
#

yes, but I do, and I think Charlie does as well

plucky ridge
#

Then good for you

#

But I feel like it's unfair to be that as your reasoning for saying PS4 has a small library

sand goblet
#

It has a small library of exclusives

#

and I said my selection of games was small

plucky ridge
#

You didn't, but I can see where the previous statement could make it be that

sand goblet
#

well, that's what I meant

#

PS+ is kind of nice

#

I'll grant you that

#

I played Hitman through that for example

plucky ridge
#

My major point is that I don't want to have to do upkeep on a computer anymore. It's too much effort, too much money, and I can just buy a console and be set for the next 6 or 7 years

sand goblet
#

..although Hitman is currently 84% off on Steam, but

#

I mean yeah, but you can buy a good PC and be set for most of the next decade too

plucky ridge
#

And I'll say my reasoning again, I work on a computer all day

#

The last thing I want to do is to go home and sit in front of one for another half dozen hours

sand goblet
#

I do as well, but I don't have that issue

#

but that's kind of a personal thing

plucky ridge
#

I'd hardly call it an issue

#

But beyond that, yes FF7 Remake is great.

sand goblet
#

It does look fantastic and I'm glad they kept combat similar to 15

plucky ridge
#

It's only vaguely similar. You have a lot more control over it

#

There is a Classic combat style that's closer to that, but it's closer to Kingdom Hearts in terms of combat control in Easy and Normal

sand goblet
#

Oh, then I'm totally into that

plucky ridge
#

15 was more auto attack and then use abilities from time to time

#

7 remake is more press button to hit dude

sand goblet
#

I dunno, I played it pretty actively

#

but I'm a dodger

#

KH3 taught me to do that

plucky ridge
#

Sure, but I'm saying that you still have to hit the button to swing your weapon rather than target a dude and auto attack

sand goblet
#

hm, there was auto attack in 15?

#

how did I miss that

plucky ridge
#

Or was it hold button to hit

#

Either way, the combat is much tighter in 7

low shadow
#

how can i bring background .sh script to foreground? how can i put a sh file to background so that i can put it in background and bring in foreground whenever i need? if both question answer is "NO U CANT" then how can i monitor what is the file doing currently (like monitoring network status, file writing and other status of process)? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61189098/is-there-any-command-in-terminal-or-method-to-bring-background-process-to-foregr

Stack Overflow
Is there any command in terminal or method to bring background proc...

How can i bring background bash script to foreground? Is there any commands or tools to do that? If both question answer is NO then how can i monitor what is the file doing currently (like monitoring

sand goblet
#

Oh right, yeah, I remember now

#

auto attack and auto dodge

plucky ridge
#

Yeah

#

Was going to say, I knew I wasn't crazy

rough sapphire
#

@low shadow screen can do that. If you want to start something in background, do screen -d -m [your command]. You can then reattach to it (bring it to foreground) with screen -r

#

if you're in screen and want to detach again (put into background), you do Ctrl+a+d

#

btw, screen sessions are interactive, which means you can start a shell session inside it screen zsh and detach from it

#

which is really useful if you're working with limited screen real estate

low shadow
#

ok

#

@rough sapphire u do CTFs?

rough sapphire
#

i've only ever done one CTF at a conference we went to

#

we won

#

:)

low shadow
#

good

rough sapphire
#

i was thoroughly and consistently drunk throughout it as well

low shadow
#

oh god

#

even when i m not drunk CTF drives me mad

#

i cant complete most and basically i end up with headache and insomnia

low shadow
#

is there command line command for Ctrl+a+d in screen

#

@rough sapphire

#

if you're in screen and want to detach again (put into background), you do Ctrl+a+d

rough sapphire
#

you can do screen -d from inside (or outside) the screen session if you don't want to use the Ctrl-A shortcut @low shadow

low shadow
#

hmm my problem solved

#

great

rough sapphire
#

!rule 5

royal lakeBOT
#
Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may break laws, breach terms of services, be considered malicious/inappropriate or be for graded coursework/exams.

low shadow
#

hmm

vapid bluff
#

noticed something interesting about chromium edge today

#

other chromium based programs (chrome, discord by virtue of electron) freeze for a solid minute after resuming from sleep

#

not chromium edge

#

👏 for microsoft

plucky ridge
#

I'm happier with it than I was the other Edge

#

But that's really REALLY not saying much

#

The other Edge consistently had issues printing

#

Which makes no damn sense

vapid bluff
#

never had to experience this

#

thankfully

rough sapphire
#

me paying 0.065 usd to aws because there is not option to merge 2 payments -____-

plucky ridge
#

Probably not in their automated system, but you could probably contact their support and get them merged

#

@vapid bluff And I've had to deal with it on more than one occasion. Mainly because Windows 10 makes Edge the default PDF viewer, and THAT'S where most of the issue lies

#

But I have had it crap out on site printing as well

vapid bluff
#

wouldnt be an ms product otherwise

plucky ridge
#

Fair point

low shadow
#

whats this , i can post message in active help but cant post message in dormant help

rough sapphire
#

yes, dormant channels are locked until they are cycled back into use

low shadow
#

hmm

#

they should move to active as soon as question finishes. there shouldnt be dormant

rough sapphire
#

they are moved into "available" as needed

low shadow
#

hmm

rough sapphire
#

the available channel count is always kept at 2

low shadow
#

ol

#

ok

low shadow
#

why cant i use port forwarding on ipv4? i can on ipv6

plucky ridge
#

Is one of those supposed to be "can't"?

low shadow
#

no all should be

#

@plucky ridge corrected

plucky ridge
#

Are you going through your router? I think I've only ever port forwarded via ipv4

#

For some stuff I've even had to disable v6

low shadow
#

do nc 27.34.51.250 4444 you wont get connected do nc 2400:1a00:bd10:9ed2:78d5:1ded:b0cc:6705 4444 you will get

#

connected

plucky ridge
#

Hard to know what to suggest without more info. I know how to do it for a couple routers, but beyond that, I don't know

low shadow
#

ok get the info

#

wait

#

or u need more

plucky ridge
#

I'm guessing it's going to be either in Network or Application

low shadow
#

wait

#

u need more

plucky ridge
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I hate to say it, but easiest thing would be for you to look up your model router on google or something and find a guide or something

low shadow
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i did i got one

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i followed

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still

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nothing

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wait i will show you

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i got this i followed exactly still fails

plucky ridge
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What are you trying to port forward for?

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A game? Program?

low shadow
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for reverse shell

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i already told do

nc 27.34.51.250 4444

you wont get connected do

nc 2400:1a00:bd10:9ed2:78d5:1ded:b0cc:6705 4444

plucky ridge
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Yeah, that's something I'm not really comfortable helping with on this server.

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It has a high potential to be malicious, and it's not really something I want to deal with

low shadow
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malicious?

pine vector
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you're asking someone to create a random tunnel to a random IP address. yes, can be malicious. 😉

low shadow
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see this proof

plucky ridge
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I'm not doubting, but it's still not something I'm comfortable giving assistance on in this server

low shadow
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ok

plucky ridge
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That's honestly the long and the short of it

soft violet
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First time I've seen an ipv6 address in the wild.

plucky ridge
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I would love to see them used more often but there's so much legacy stuff (and even modern stuff) that relies on v4

low shadow
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yes

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ipv4 is fuck for me now, previously ipv6 was fuck

soft violet
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It's what?

solid pollen
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My ISP assign me an ipv4 and an ipv6, surely that's not how we are going to solve the IP problem >_>

low shadow
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better to move to ipv6 now

soft violet
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Ipv4 over DNS snooping, obvs.

solid pollen
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Actually I'm glad I had an ipv4, there was a problem to make my rpi to work otherwise

soft violet
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You make a dns query to your ISP, your ISP does all the routing and returns an arbitrarily determined ip address for that request.

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No need for ipv6, who cares if there are multiples of an ipv4, because now each isp has its own walled city of users

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ipv4 lives forever

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I suppose like all such things, change will only happen when it is forced to by necessity and/or demand.

low shadow
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when run out of ip i guess?

ipv4 lives forever
@soft violet
I suppose like all such things, change will only happen when it is forced to by necessity and/or demand.
@soft violet

soft violet
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Yes. I suppose you're right.

low shadow
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soon we will run out of ip

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4 billion ip exist on ipv4

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but people are 8+ billion

soft violet
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Well, as a species, we're already low on tp, so it makes sense that we'd run out of ip not long after.

low shadow
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if every person on this earth would consume a single ip (not a single public router ip and more private ip) ipv4 will end

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thats why ipv6 was created the main reason is running out of ipv4

soft violet
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I think I heard something about that.

low shadow
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if i say exactly then 255 * 255 * 255 * 255 = 4228250625 with some ip block being exception while other are experimental

soft violet
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I was once surprised when encountering an internet-facing address in the 127 block. The only other time I'd come across that was localhost. I didn't believe it was a real address, at first.

low shadow
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its loopback

soft violet
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Not this address.

low shadow
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which

deep saffron
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a lot of ISP switched to not giving you a public IP over here

low shadow
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hey xenu

deep saffron
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hey

low shadow
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are u asain

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asian

deep saffron
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so i now have to pay +2 € a month to have a public one

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not to my knowledge :D

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i'm from europe

low shadow
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ok

soft violet
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@low shadow It was a number of years ago and I don't believe I've retained a record of the specific address.

low shadow
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ok

soft violet
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It was a Minecraft server.

low shadow
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if that was me then i would definetly record that

soft violet
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Makes sense that they'd use up what ip space there is.

low shadow
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hmmmmmm

soft violet
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and not cut out everything for one single loopback address in that entire block

low shadow
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and not cut out everything for one single loopback address in that entire block
@soft violet i didnt understand this line

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???

soft violet
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127.0.0.1 One address. 127.x.x.x How many minus one?

low shadow
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255255255

soft violet
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Why waste?

low shadow
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no wasted

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see this

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other ips are also loopback

soft violet
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This is news to me.

rough sapphire
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...?

low shadow
deep saffron
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as far as i know all ip adresses with 127. are reserved

gentle moss
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loopback reserved

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can't even be assigned to LAN

soft violet
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Well someone didn't get the memo.

gentle moss
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that's not how the internet works

rough sapphire
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wow. I thought the only loopback ip was 127.0.0.1

low shadow
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i thought same

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until i read more

gentle moss
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127.x.x.x from anything other than loopback would be ignored

low shadow
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yes

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bisk u are correct

deep saffron
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there are some cases, imagine you want two services on localhost running on port 80
you could assign one to 127.0.0.1 and one too 127.0.0.2
at least thats how i understand it

rough sapphire
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this... what...

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PHENOMENAL

low shadow
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for me i understand 127.0.0.1 = 127.0.0.2 = 127.0.0.3 = ...

rough sapphire
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I can have MULTIPLE loopback ips??

soft violet
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Hey. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. Maybe it was 128.x.x.x.

rough sapphire
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I mean I can re-use the port 80 but just different IP?

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locally that is

low shadow
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yes

rough sapphire
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brain explodes

low shadow
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you cant listen two times though

rough sapphire
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well yeah there's the internal ports

low shadow
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like listening on 127.0.0.1 80 and 127.0.0.2. 80

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at same time

rough sapphire
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yeah you can have them both on but you can only listen to them at different ports then

low shadow
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for worldwake

rough sapphire
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they have to be internally listened to at 80 and 81 or something

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or I'm not sure what the correct terminology is

soft violet
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Sorcery.

low shadow
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magics

rough sapphire
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i need someones help

deep saffron
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IPv4 network standards reserve the entire address block 127.0.0.0/8 (more than 16 million addresses) for loopback purposes.[2] That means any packet sent to any of those addresses is looped back. The address 127.0.0.1 is the standard address for IPv4 loopback traffic; the rest are not supported by all operating systems. However they can be used to set up multiple server applications on the host, all listening on the same port number.
What wiki says

soft violet
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@rough sapphire Regarding?

rough sapphire
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some python stuff

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no but that's useful - now I don't have to change the damn configuration file - i can just list a bunch of different ips as alternatives

low shadow
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python help @rough sapphire

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active

rough sapphire
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oh

low shadow
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PYTHON HELP:AVAILABLE @rough sapphire read topic

rough sapphire
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"try listening to all of these"

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or something

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but that might not solve anything, will have to give it a try. think.

low shadow
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leave the loopback

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i wonder whats ipv6 of loopback is

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127:00:00:00:00:00

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maybe

gentle moss
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::1

rough sapphire
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what I'm thinking here is: I have an app running at port x on the loopback. I want to keep it running on port on x but just go to loopback+1 when i start the app a 2nd time

gentle moss
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it's ::1

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it's a 128 block

low shadow
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i dont understand that short form ::1

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anyways i will learn later

rough sapphire
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it's a huge amount of zeros cut out

low shadow
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ok

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pinging ::1 works

deep saffron
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@rough sapphire that's how i understand it too

low shadow
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i had insomnia yesterday, didnt sleep yesterday

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now today i have hypersomnia

rough sapphire
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@deep saffron some apps seem to have default behavior written in them that they just jump up the port but keep the same ip. that's not always so useful since then you have to change the :port part

deep saffron
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🤷🏽

low shadow
deep saffron
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the only thing i need it for is my plex server
don't think i have any other service running on my pc (too which i want to connect to from my pc)

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oh ... fish-shell config opens a website, so two

low shadow
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the most awesome mind blowing thing i ever saw

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How-To-Exit-Vim

soft violet
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Lies. They claim the impossible! Hss!

low shadow
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who

soft violet
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Exactly.

low shadow
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??

soft violet
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How to exit vim. But exiting vim is not possible.

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Hence lies.

low shadow
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its possible

solid pollen
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ESC, :q exited!

low shadow
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and by this

solid pollen
low shadow
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never tried emacs

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is it good to learn now

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i use mostly vim, sometmes atom

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or learning is time wasted

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i hate wasting time

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as i wasted on ipv4 port forwarding

deep saffron
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if you are referring to the loopback addresses, those cant replace port forwarding

low shadow
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nono

soft violet
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What would be the antonym of forwarding? Retaining? Returning?

low shadow
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i m referring port forwardin isnt possibl;e for ipv4 in my route

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router

deep saffron
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also if you are happy with whatever editor you use. why learn another one

low shadow
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i want editor that saves me most time

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like vim now saves me most time

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i dont knw if emacs does

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i m happy with vim

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but if i get antother good editor i will forget vim

deep saffron
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how can a router not support portforwarding ...

low shadow
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it supports bu doesnt work

soft violet
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isp crippleware because they don't want people able to host their own servers?

low shadow
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ipv6 works tho

deep saffron
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mh, sounds weird ...

low shadow
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i know

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byr everyone got solid hypersomnia thats why i m typing incorrect

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need to sleeppp

deep saffron
#

शुभ रात्री
maybe nepali ISP's are weird

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(or he got it all wrong ...)

plucky ridge
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Well he's using Kali as his day to day OS sooooo

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I'm going to go with the latter

deep saffron
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i had a look at his linked reddit account ... yeah .... well .... nvm

plucky ridge
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Script kiddie?

undone berry
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well yes - but that wasn't what I found surprising

plucky ridge
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I'm curious but not so much as to go look

undone berry
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there's lots of not-very-upvoted posts to /r/drugs

plucky ridge
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Fits with the conversations earlier today

deep saffron
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how to smoke a drug, i want to smole what is best way, can tell me ? like take all tabacco out cigarette and put drug in empty cigarette tell me or bong what is best way

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:D

plucky ridge
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Jesus

sand goblet
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What even is that lol

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Oh wait, yeah, that's right

plucky ridge
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Proof that drugs are bad for your brain

sand goblet
#

This is the guy with that reddit post from before

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The totally incoherant pro cannabis one?

plucky ridge
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Yarp

rough sapphire
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don't smoke drugs they're bad for you mmkay

pseudo crystal
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TBH, that just reads like young kid trying to be edgy.

rough sapphire
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Yeah, you can tell by the use of memey language.

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It's how dumb kids identify each other as other dumb kids who only communicate through memeing.

deep saffron
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oh no don't say that, according to his twitter he is a paid bug bounty hunter

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|_33Ŧ |-|4¢k€r

quaint rivet
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while i dont usually agree with what the guy has to say or his lifestyle choices i feel this is bordering on hazing the dude

deep saffron
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sorry, you're probably right, tbf i was probably the same way his age ... æons ago

rough sapphire
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yeah, I was definitely a dumb kid at one time. The culture of what dumb kids did was just different back then.