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lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:23 AM

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I know

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But still, that's a steep price

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is this shit?
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Cause I'd be comfortable spending 700-800€

oak tangle Apr 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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What do you want to do with the desktop?

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Uuuh..

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Play some games, code..

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make pixel art

oak tangle Apr 5, 2020, 10:27 AM

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I mean, you can pay thousands of dollars to render videos in slightly less time or play the latest videos games in ultra high quality at 60fps, but if you're not going to do that, then spending the money may not even help you that much.

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I'm quite comfortably coding on a very old laptop at the moment, although it doesn't run games.

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For 700-800 euro you could get a decent machine that you could play a lot of games on and is certainly going to be plenty for coding

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 10:45 AM

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doing pixel art doesn't require much, coding depends a lot on which tools you use, pycharm is more hungry than vim, and games, well, there is everything, latest game at high end quality is going to cost more than 800€ for sure, but if you are fine with playing in lower quality or 5-10 years old games (there are excellent ones!), then you don't need to pay that much.

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 10:46 AM

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don't get a hdd get a ssd

coarse hearth Apr 5, 2020, 10:46 AM

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I want to buy Macbook Air that pay ~1800€

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 10:47 AM

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if you want an underpowered machine that is very lightweight maybe get an arm android laptop maybe 😛 much less expensive

coarse hearth Apr 5, 2020, 10:49 AM

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I use Macbook Air 2013 currently

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Get a dell XPS

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Or a matebook D 15/Matebook pro

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same feel as the mac, more oomph

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Also, only games I'm interested in are Minecraft and some roguelikes

coarse hearth Apr 5, 2020, 10:50 AM

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~~MacOS?~~

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Why would you want a Mac?

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 10:53 AM

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BSD made easy, is a common answer

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Well

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 10:53 AM

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if i had to choose between windows or Mac to do my normal work from

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i'd pick Mac

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Even with the worse specs?

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 10:54 AM

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oh we're talking a specific hardware version?

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i'd buy the higher spec windows laptop and put linux on it

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:55 AM

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I'm not knowledgeable enough, so maybe I'm talking out of my ass

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I always hear that mac has crappy AF hardware

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"The best 300€ PC you'll pay 2k for" is a common slogan

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 10:55 AM

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not really true

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that's less to do with the quality of hardware and more the fact the value of the mac is in its brand / eco system

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:56 AM

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GWgoaThinken

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I always hear praise about its ease of use and its feel, but never of how powerful it is

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According to a colleague of mine, macs are very good to use and very fast, but that's because stuff is super optimized there

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 10:57 AM

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good to use is a matter of what you're used to

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they're pretty fast, i don't like macOS but others do. personal choice

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as for optimisation... that should be the theory

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macOS should only be running on Apple made products so it should work perfectly

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Proprietary scum >:I

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Although you can have hackintoshes

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 10:59 AM

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they're becoming harder and harder to make over time

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and not exactly stable from what i hear

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Hmm...

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Frick pcs are expensive!!

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:18 AM

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cheaper than they were

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:19 AM

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That might be true, but still. It's a very very hard financial decision to make, if it makes sense

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:19 AM

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i recently had the choice between windows and mac for my work laptop, without possibility to install linux

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i picked windows, and i've been making the best out of WSL, i do have i3 fullscreen on top of everything, and i run almost all my software in WSL.

coarse hearth Apr 5, 2020, 11:20 AM

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No, I want this computer

📎 Screenshot_2020-04-05_at_14.20.15.png

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lol

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:20 AM

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(as you don't have access to sound/video in WSL, i run zoom and spotify in windows)

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:21 AM

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zoom?

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:21 AM

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video conferencing software, it's all the rage these days, because it works quite well, it has problems, the security track record is far from stellar

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but everybody uses it

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:21 AM

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it's the thing all the hip new cool kids are using to skype their synergy meetings

coarse hearth Apr 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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~~Interesting how much years I must collect money to buy this Mac Pro?~~

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Probably too many

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Also, that's a server.

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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well to be fair those mac pro's are workstations

coarse hearth Apr 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Ye

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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don't call them servers because they are not

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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I mean a colleague does hit him not me

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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they have a rack form factor though

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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it's a rack form factor workstation

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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it's a super expensive cheese grater.

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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^that's also accurate

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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right, but if you want to get picky about semantics, a server is a function, not a form

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anything can be a server, maybe even an arduino, if you define "server" widely enough

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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yeah, but at £58k and all you're doing is using it like say, a rendering farm, it's a wastefully expensive "server"

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i'm never really sure who those high end mac workstations area really aimed at tbh beyond like video editors and the likes

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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well, rendering farms can cost way over that i believe, for people like disney (and… oh they got all bought by disney)

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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perhaps for large scale app testing?

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yeah, rendering farms cost way more than that one workstation

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but if you were making a rendering farm you'd not use mac workstations i guess was my point

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:27 AM

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i could guess that but i don't know that, as i didn't build any rendering farm, so maybe the way to optimize cost is not obvious

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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I mean surely macs costs more on average?

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Like, bang-for-buck is not in their favour

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 11:29 AM

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1.5t RAM

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sweet, i can finally have discord, vscode, and chrome open at the same time

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 11:31 AM

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pkill -f chrome; firefox

gentle moss Apr 5, 2020, 11:33 AM

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@lime gazelle

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yeah, macs are definitely not bang for buck

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"generally"

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 11:47 AM

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@gentle moss Hm...figured out as much

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 1:19 PM

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I kinda want to drop learning C++ as a low level lang in favour of Rust

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Rust feels more modern and more fun to work with, but oof can't really do stuff for the nes/gba/nds with it

bleak lintel Apr 5, 2020, 2:06 PM

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rust is so fun

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 2:56 PM

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It is!!

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But c++ sadly is more useful

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if I could program nds/gba homebrew with Rust I'd do it, but..

bleak lintel Apr 5, 2020, 3:01 PM

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@lime gazelle which bits specifically about C++ are more powerful?

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and why not do a hybrid and be really modern

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:01 PM

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idk about hybrid, I'm a newb

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for C/C++ there are devkits for gba/nds, so that makes it a lot easier

bleak lintel Apr 5, 2020, 3:02 PM

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ahh right, yeah I guess that is valid

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Rust feels way nicer to program with, but C/C++ has a baggage that's hard to deny

bleak lintel Apr 5, 2020, 3:02 PM

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🥺 https://github.com/rust3ds

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:02 PM

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homebrow software for old game systems is not exactly at the top of the "useful" category imho, not that it's not fun, i truly believe it is, but it's going to be hard to have any impact on the world with that.

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Eh, never said it had to be useful

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It's just, as you said, fun

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:03 PM

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and i'm not even surprised there are rust people doing that 🙂

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:03 PM

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it's 3ds tho

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Not wii or the ds or the gba

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Which, imho, are more fun cause of the limitations

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:04 PM

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i must have misunderstood, you said c++ was more useful, and cited homebrew game dev as an example, it just doesn't strike me as the best example of usefulness

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Sorry, my bad, I should have been more specific

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C/C++ is more useful for homebrew

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from my limited understanding of things, at least

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Btw, I found this cool thing https://github.com/dddrrreee/cs140e-20win/

GitHub

dddrrreee/cs140e-20win

cs140e course materials. Contribute to dddrrreee/cs140e-20win development by creating an account on GitHub.

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:05 PM

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there is certainly more documentation and tooling, i'm sure it's possible to do anything with rust, but it's certainly not as popular yet, and while users seem extremely motivated, they didn't have the time to cover as much ground yet

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the language seems promised to a nice future though

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I agree, Rust feels way nicer

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And youtube has loads of content like emulators being developed in Rust, which is super awesome

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And that reminds me, I should finish the damn CHIP8.

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It's very very hard to do a project and not know how things are done 😦

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Logic is useless when you can't actually write the lang

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Should I follow a tutorial or something? That'd be cheating.

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:12 PM

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why?

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you can't just invent everything, reading documentation is an essential part of the job

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Well it's not documentation. I tried using the chip8 docs.

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But I got stuck.

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And frustrated.

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 3:20 PM

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@lime gazelle felt that

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:21 PM

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I think I'll follow the live coding guy and try and really understand what he does GWovoYayy

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:26 PM

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oh, getting stuck and frustrated is also part of the job, but if you get stuck for too long, go ask for help, it's no use staying days on tiny things.

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I mean I abandoned the project long ago

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And I feel guilty 😦

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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oh i can relate

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i have a lot of abandonned stuff, some i poured months or even years into

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and when i remember, i do feel guilt as well

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:33 PM

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GWunuFuelUp but I'll finish it!

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I hope.

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With a tutorial, for sure. But that'd be cheating.

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:I

pine vector Apr 5, 2020, 3:34 PM

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breaks can be helpful. gotta let that emotion wash away...

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i'm a year or so into a particular project, and i've found that once i tackle a stubborn part i need a break after finishing the solution.

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 3:36 PM

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you still learn from a tutorial, and when you feel like you got a good grasp, you can try continuing a bit on your own, and get back to it when you are stuck

lime gazelle Apr 5, 2020, 3:37 PM

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GWgoaThinken

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Good call. But the CHIP8 is super duper easy according to people

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If I can't do that on my own, I won't be able to do anything more cool

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Anyway, GWhurpyShrug I have time to decide, there's the gamejam first!

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 5:28 PM

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@solemn remnant

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You there?

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@solemn remnant Let me know if you can see this

terse sluice Apr 5, 2020, 5:45 PM

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!warn 657539751863123988 please stop DMing a staff member. they’ve told you numerous times to talk here instead.

royal lakeBOT Apr 5, 2020, 5:45 PM

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @solemn remnant.

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Is it normal that time after time you start preferring one line code , or small codes ?

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cuz i just wrote some code

sand goblet Apr 5, 2020, 5:49 PM

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you guys realise they have no roles, right

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 5:49 PM

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and i naturally went to oneline way and i felt it weird

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I reported that in #community-meta

terse sluice Apr 5, 2020, 5:52 PM

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they’re DMing a helper so they had t have the role at one point or another

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 5:52 PM

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let me check with my alt

oak tangle Apr 5, 2020, 5:53 PM

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You don't have to have the role to DM users

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 5:57 PM

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yeap

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thats right

rough sapphire Apr 5, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Should I download obs if I only want to record desktop audio?

quaint rivet Apr 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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i feel something like audacity might be better/more lightweight

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ive never used it but i imagine it can do that

sand goblet Apr 5, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Yep audacity is good

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Although I like voicemeeter since it adds a bunch of audio control stuff I use

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It just happens to also be able to record

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Here

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I recently went down the rabbit hole of Pi algorithms which was fun (I needed an algorithm which was pretty fast, and only used integers, which are between -9999 and 9999, and I found one)

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(the algo is https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/jeremy.gibbons/publications/spigot.pdf)

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I have no idea how people come up with those :p

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:06 PM

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and that's the one I implemented in python

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yeah neither

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:07 PM

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uhm

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is n * π transcendental?

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:07 PM

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yeah

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:07 PM

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okayy

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:07 PM

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unless n = 0

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:07 PM

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smh blame the nature making circumferences transcendental I guess

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xd

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okay can I drop some meme I got that I didn't get at first but then really liked it :p

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 8:08 PM

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no meme dump allowed on this server

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:09 PM

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yikes

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so they are definitely watching us :p

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well it is related to math and stuff

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 8:09 PM

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the beauty of it is that you never know

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:09 PM

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also I found this e algorithm that's really simple (code golf opprrtunity?)

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modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I mean

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 8:10 PM

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if something is related to the conversation, it's tolerated, what's frowned upon is random dump

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:10 PM

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isn't e using this 1/n! though?

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Okay @frosty berry

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:11 PM

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nope

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:11 PM

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like uhm

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infinite sum of 1/n!

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:12 PM

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nope

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because it's divmod and not multiplication

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(also it wouldn't be anyway because it isn't a range)

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:15 PM

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okay I found it

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e = (n = 0; -> ∞)Σ1/n!

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@sinful turtle this one ^

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it works but ist is kinda heavy

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:19 PM

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yeah that's probably a bit shorter

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though if you want to get a specific digit of e my one is probably shorter because it always gets 1 degit at a time

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(also floating point rounding will cause problems)

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:21 PM

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yeah

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I mean it works until you hit a double limit

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>>> def e(n: int = 100) -> float:
...     f, x = 1, 0
...     for i in range(1, n + 1):
...         x += 1/f
...         f *= i
...     return x
... 
>>> e()
2.7182818284590455```

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Anyways here's a meme I really enjoyed and it gave me some good thought

📎 image0.jpg

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might seem kinda dumb at the second look :p

bleak lintel Apr 5, 2020, 8:25 PM

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That's wonderful

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I love it

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 8:25 PM

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you could have put kuzko at the bottom, that almost works

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:26 PM

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haha

frosty berry Apr 5, 2020, 8:26 PM

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📎 unknown.png

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:26 PM

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thanks

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Will do if I have no ideas in programming

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I have some interesting math equations I can play with though

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:29 PM

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oh yeah, as a side note, that pi algorithm I mentioned earlier uses no floats, and really small ints which is kinda cool

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1000 digits of pi uses 66000 as it's highest number

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(also you can do around 20000 digits without hitting the 32 bit integer limit)

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Yeah n! is heavily exponential haha

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:34 PM

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(also, those things mean it's good for calculating pi in various esolangs that don't have floats which is cool)

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:35 PM

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well, not really π

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digits of π

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:35 PM

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well yeah I guess

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though you could just divide it by 10**number of digits to get pi

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:38 PM

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yeah

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:41 PM

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on a completely unrealted note: someone was able to calculate ceil(n/sqrt(2)) using a regex

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https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/198428

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which is kinda insane

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:42 PM

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lmao

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by the way

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I just thought about writing an infinite float type

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the idea is basically to have an integer and store the position of a point

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maybe stupid but fun

stark prawn Apr 5, 2020, 8:43 PM

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infinite float type?

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:43 PM

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like a list of digits?

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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well I mean

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why not have an int and operate on the position of a floating point

stark prawn Apr 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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A decimal.

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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hm

stark prawn Apr 5, 2020, 8:46 PM

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!e

from decimal import Decimal
print(Decimal("445.23456"))```

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:47 PM

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challenge: make an generator that takes positive integers and returns digits of 1/a + 1/b...

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(since fractions must be either recurring or terminating, I think that's possible)

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:48 PM

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decimal point?

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I guess you could either ignore the decimal point or just return '.'

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it doesn't really matter

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:52 PM

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>>> gimme_e()
Decimal('2.718281828459045235360287474')``` hm

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I wonder why the last one is 4 and not a 1

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Probs precision

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 PM

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yeah

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Ah btw

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Do you also hate those math questions where you do like hard stuff and in the end the answer is like 0 or 1?

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:54 PM

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yeah

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:54 PM

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I had to simplify a function which was like a limit of a defined integral

sinful turtle Apr 5, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I had a maths exam recently where 3 questions in a row had an answer of 1

modern island Apr 5, 2020, 8:55 PM

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But in the end f(x) = 0

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And I was like lmao

civic tree Apr 5, 2020, 9:00 PM

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the logo scared me half to death

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the explosion

tame terrace Apr 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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explosions can be scary

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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i have a new gripe

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sites that render content like this

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i have MORE SCREEN THAN THAT

tulip palm Apr 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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i feel like firefox's reading mode would help with that

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what's the site?

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i'll see if it does

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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just forbes

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chrome distiller might actually

tame pier Apr 6, 2020, 1:08 AM

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forbes commits many sins

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in both site design and journalism

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yet still is the king of SEO

tulip palm Apr 6, 2020, 1:08 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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firefox's reader view is phenomenal

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had to read linux's documentation of the SG drivers earlier and it was in straight HTML, so i used the reader view to make it look all pretty and that

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 1:10 AM

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chrome offers something nice actually

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monospace font

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tulip palm Apr 6, 2020, 1:11 AM

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i struggle to read texts like that in a monospace font

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too spacy and blocky, makes my eyes do too much work

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 1:11 AM

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i think at the end of the day it probably hugely varies person to person

tulip palm Apr 6, 2020, 1:12 AM

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of course

glacial owl Apr 6, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Ah, classic "ads bigger than content"

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 1:15 AM

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true

tulip palm Apr 6, 2020, 1:29 AM

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interestingly, firefox's reader mode removes the ads

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 1:29 AM

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most reader modes do

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I wonder how they decide what counts as content

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they are pretty reliable from what I've seen

tulip palm Apr 6, 2020, 1:46 AM

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i suppose it just looks for big blocks of paragraphical text

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(paragraphical is a great quasi-word)

fervent verge Apr 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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i guess world war 3 is coronavirus

pine vector Apr 6, 2020, 2:55 AM

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@bleak lintel i feel like that format is solely to reduce complexity, so that mobile and PC are served the same content. still not much of an excuse; it isn't that difficult to extend for both.

silk hamlet Apr 6, 2020, 5:53 AM

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I had problem gnome not starting at start in Ubuntu 18.04, I found that I should use sudo service gdm3 start. Now I don't have login screen and I have to use this command each time I boot. How can I fix it?

solid pollen Apr 6, 2020, 7:43 AM

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You can enable the service, so it will start at each boot

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sudo systemctl enable gdm3

gilded mica Apr 6, 2020, 2:04 PM

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What are things you guys check daily or perhaps just frequently throughout the week? Weather, stocks, etc.
I'm writing a script that scrapes data and I'm interested in adding things/site to it.

warm sail Apr 6, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Intersting netflix titles @gilded mica

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 2:44 PM

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pandora's box depending on region is that

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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GWovoYayy I finished working

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now I have time to focus on the chip8!! Wohoo!

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Or, maybe I should just yolo os dev using a neat tutorial/stanford class? GWgoaThinken

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AAA too many things to choose from GWeniSadNeko

whole roost Apr 6, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Is there a channel where I can just randomly ask a question related to python or programming in general? Thanks 🙂

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 3:37 PM

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help channels for more practical questions, and python-discussions for more best practice style questions

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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ot channels work too tbh

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You can ask away! Ask your questions GWovoYayy

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Not to me though, I'm a newbie

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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i charge by the hour

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13 pizza rolls/hr

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hmu

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:42 PM

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😮 you're blue!

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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i bought it pepeHands

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i didnt earn it

sand goblet Apr 6, 2020, 3:45 PM

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everyone bought it

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haha

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:46 PM

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GWovoYayy

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I'm thinking of buying an n64 but they're fuckin pricey

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:46 PM

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why

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:46 PM

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200€ for an n64 and 3 games?

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Cause why not

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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are you buying it to collect & display or to actually use?

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Use it, I guess. Although idk how much I would use it, to be honest..

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probably a bad purchase.

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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id argue it is unless youre a collector

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all that old hardware is gonna start failing soon

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I agree 😦

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But!! 100€ odds for an retro pc? Seems good GWgoaThinken

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Useless? yes. Cool? also.

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Amstrad PC 1512. Seems very very cool.

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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not my kinda purchase haha

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i have no use case for a pc that old, but to each their own

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I think they're kinda neat machines to have fun with

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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the oldest thing i own is a 1988 lincoln mk. vii

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but i can fix that if it breaks

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i dont know how to fix electronics haha

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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GWgoaThinken I think Rust was a poor choice as for systems language.

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Is C++ more low level?

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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dunno

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i tried C once and almost ripped my bangs out

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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😮 why?

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C sounds very cool.

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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C is the exact opposite of cool

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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i couldn’t figure out how to compile it. or even #include <std.io> or whatever i needed for a hello world script

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it was brutal

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im probably just dumb but

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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one of the most common errors to encounter when writing C is called UB, and it means anything could happen

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short for undefined behavior

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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wdym C is the opposite of cool?

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Everything is built on C

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C is why we have cool things

sinful turtle Apr 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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C is why we have CPython 🤔

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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the language has a lot of old stuff which cannot be removed due to reverse compat

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Hm..

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GWgoaThinken Go is C but newer

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Or, it's marketed as such

sinful turtle Apr 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Rust is C but newer

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Rust is C++ but cooler

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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a lot of languages are C but newer, Zig, ~~pony~~, D, ...

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Go is the C replacement, as Rust is the C++ replacement

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ideally

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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TBH, there is very little reason to use C over C++ these days

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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some systems only support C

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like, say you want some sweet nes homebrews

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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that is why I said very little, not no

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Frick now I'm torn between Go and Rust 😦

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I'm using rust for the CHIP8. Maybe I should use Go.

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Idfk.

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Rust from what I heard is better, but it was people who like rust telling me that

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Rust is very cool

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I like it, very fun

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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https://drewdevault.com/2019/03/25/Rust-is-not-a-good-C-replacement.html GWgoaThinken

Drew DeVault’s Blog

Rust is not a good C replacement

I have a saying that summarizes my opinion of Rust compared to Go: “Go is the result of C programmers designing a new programming language, and Rust is the result of C++ programmers designing a new programming language”. This isn’t just a metaphor - Go was designed by plan9 al...

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 4:28 PM

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he has some very good points

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I think his point is valid while Rust continues to grow and mature, but I don't know if we can have the same mentality 5 to 10 years from now

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I kind of disagree with his implication that more features doesn't mean a more valid option. A lot of times, those features are going to be more solidly written and optimized than what most coders could hope to achieve through their own implementation, and with less risk of accidental errors and the like

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This does also read like someone who is very classically trained and is only looking at the now rather than further down the line. Which isn't a bad way to look at things, I just think with what we've seen, the Rust ecosystem has a lot of potential that shouldn't be written off

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Where is C actually used? Its very largely in embedded systems or places where memory is very important right? Then C++ is more used as a systems language which is also where Rust seems to compete

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Agreed, that does seem to be the primary use case

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There really doesn't seem to be a direct C competitor that stands out

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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where is C actually used

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basically literally everywhere

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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True enough

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Damn near everything was once based in C

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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used was probably wrong - where is new software/code being written in C? is more what I meant

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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most of OS development is still largely in C, even brand new operating systems

solid pollen Apr 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Most things are still based on C

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Even python is

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Sure - but for an OS is Rust actually a good replacement?

solid pollen Apr 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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It could be

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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some people think it could be

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https://www.redox-os.org/

Redox - Your Next(Gen) OS - Redox - Your Next(Gen) OS

The Redox official website

solid pollen Apr 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I mean, it is a system language

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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But the portability argument there is surely a winning factor?

solid pollen Apr 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I'd bet that the next popular OS wouldn't use C

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Portability?

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Rust compiles to most archs, right?

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I say there's a 50% chance the next big OS will still at least run a kernel written in C

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I'm talking about the arguments made in the linked article

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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C compiles on literally everything, an architecture can be considered nonexistent if C doesn't compile for it

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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It just seems to me that Rust isn't even really sold as a replacement for C - but a replacement for C++

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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to be fair, linux and such compilles on gcc with specific flags only, not that many people write pure C code

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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which the article doesn't contest

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Like, for the example of an OS, pretty much everything in that article seems to imply that for the medium future, C would be a better choice

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you want the 30 years of history

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@graceful basin clang compiles linux since 5.5

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 5:06 PM

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oh, nice.

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:07 PM

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My own 2 newbs cents: Rust feels way nicer to work with than C or C++

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:07 PM

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And I get that, and I have no problem with it, but it feels like we just don't and won't ever have any other options

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I don't know about technicalities, but a nice to use language is bound to become popular, I think

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:07 PM

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This is how it will always have to be and that's kind of discouraging to me

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There's so much riding on C and everything that built it that there really isn't a way to start from the ground up again

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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And I get that, were you responding to me with that?

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I.... don't know

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I think more the C talk in general

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How it's everywhere

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@plucky ridge which is why the next big language should be somewhat compatible with C

sand goblet Apr 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Assuming we have the native target, we can theoretically use any language we want, but most of them still target libc

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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like Rust is currently

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Why is it being everywhere a problem though? It seems like it is pretty much fine

sand goblet Apr 6, 2020, 5:09 PM

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But musl-c shows that we can at least have an alternative to libc

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:09 PM

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It's the same beef I have with JavaScript and everything web based

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Because damn never everything is going to go back to that one language, essentially

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Any flaws, quirks, irritations that go with it will be present in any of its children or things based off of it

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I'm not saying that C is flawed or is prone to huge issues, but the idea that there's no other choice just bothers me

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Like if you want just above assembly, this is your option

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:10 PM

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I feel like the ending of this guy's article does a good job of summing things up C is far from the perfect language - it has many flaws. However, its replacement will be simpler - not more complex. Consider Go, which has had a lot of success in supplanting C for many problems. It does this by specializing on certain classes of programs and addressing them with the simplest solution possible. It hasn’t completely replaced C, but it has made a substantial dent in its problem space - more than I can really say for Rust (which has made similar strides for C++, but definitely not for C).

You do have other options, just none are as ubiquitous as C

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Not as ubiquitous, well supported or held in the same high regard

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:11 PM

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but I don't see why you need to aim for the ubiquity

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the thing with JS is that its the only option in a massive field

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I can imagine you would get a look of disdain from other programmers if you tried to make anything significant out of something not C based

undone berry Apr 6, 2020, 5:11 PM

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whereas C has other options

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for specific tasks

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Yeah true

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I think I'm just being a fussy butt

pine vector Apr 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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!otn a? 😄

sand goblet Apr 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Haha

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Zig seems pretty nice tbh

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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GWgoaThinken so Should you (person, not you you) learn C nowadays?

oak tangle Apr 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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!otn a hemlock's fussy butt

royal lakeBOT Apr 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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:ok_hand: Added hemlock’s-fussy-butt to the names list.

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:13 PM

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I might poke around some of them, but I don't know if I'd really be able to properly learn or apply those kinds of languages

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Again, all my complaining is coming from someone with no previous C experience

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Just looking at damn near everything relying on it or using it some how

pine vector Apr 6, 2020, 5:13 PM

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i didn't exactly envision the call-out when i suggested it. sorry hem!

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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@pine vector Dude, I welcome goofy otns

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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learning C involves learning a lot of other things than just C. you learn about memory management, pointers, stack, heap, etc. it can be a very good beginner language, if you have the right learning material/teachers.

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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GWhurpyShrug I'm having a nice time with Rust

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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solid foundations

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I see it being better taught in a university setting rather than on your own

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I think C would be kinda a step down

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I disagree.

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Understanding what's going on under the hood is important, especially when you can directly manipulate it for powerful gains and control

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Isn't Rust just as low level as C++?

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:15 PM

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But I think you only should have to dive into it if you need that level of granularity

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I mean I might, my objective is to develop a shitty game for something like an nds or a nes GWhurpyShrug

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But again, if Rust can do anything that C++ can then should I really bother?

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Then you'll absolutely need to know about memory management for an NES type game. Especially if you want it to actually work on one

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

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GWgoaThinken

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Hm...

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C just sounds very boring, ngl

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cool, but boring

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Same could be said for most coding

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Eh, but C has that pesky thing of "reinvernt the fucken wheel"

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And no sweet cargo/pip 😦

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Guess python spoiled me with "import X"

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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There's nothing stopping you from importing and using other libs written by others

quaint rivet Apr 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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i physically will stop you

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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GWagnwChinoWoah

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Bulli

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Jokes aside, yeah. Probably should give C a try.

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:I now if only I could find some tutorials for the CHIP 8 using C..I learn best by doin suff I have no clue how to do on my own

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:19 PM

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:GWgoaThinken: so Should you (person, not you you) learn C nowadays?
@lime gazelle yes.

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:19 PM

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But it also heavily depends on what you want to do

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:19 PM

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at least to know exactly how pointers and memery management works

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memory, even

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but i'm keeping it

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I know how memery works

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🙂

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Like I personally wouldn't benefit overly much from learning it. Not because I know a lot, but because I don't do many projects that would warrant it

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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GWgoaThinken do emulators warrant the use of C?

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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very much yes

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Yes

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Dear god yes

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Rust no good?

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Oofie

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I don't know, I haven't looked for ones written in Rust

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We're saying it needs that much power

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:21 PM

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rust is ok, but "safety" adds a lot of overhead which you generally don't want in emulators

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Agreed, emulators need power

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:21 PM

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direct memory manipulation is also a lot, lot easier

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:21 PM

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But scary

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Also, can't really find good tutorials/code-alongs for C

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I've found one, an amiga emulator. C++, no sound, no explanations.

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That sucks.

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:22 PM

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C != C++

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:22 PM

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try looking around on university sites

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for lecture notes

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and slides

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:22 PM

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@rough sapphire I know, I'm saying, that's the only C-family code-along I found, besides javid's one

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I...will. Heck, probably shouldn't do an emulator for learning langs.

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:23 PM

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i think MIT might have a whole C class on opencourseware, complete with video lectures

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:23 PM

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But those tend to be boring, ngl

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Although honestly, I'm really curious about working with Cython

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:23 PM

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It's not like, build a project usually

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which I find really boring, because at the end of the day you have nothing to show. You have lots of theory, but no cool shabangs

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:23 PM

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there'll probably be some assignments you can do

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and exercises

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to go along with the lectures as homework

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I'll snoop around then

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Might be worth just, not being too rushy

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Also I think C knowledge might translate to better Rust, but I might be stupid.

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https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-087-practical-programming-in-c-january-iap-2010/https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-087-practical-programming-in-c-january-iap-2010/ ??

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:25 PM

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It... kind of will

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How Rust manages memory is different to how you would in C

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A lot of it is abstracted behind ownership and scope, where as C has a lot more direct manipulation of it

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Also I always hear "Learn C++. You lern C as well, but it's better"

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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C++ is a massive language, C is not

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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C++ is a superset of C more or less, and as of such the syntax builds on C for the most part.

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but there are a lot of things about C++ that are massively different to C.

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I should specify, it's alays phrased as "the beginnign of C++ is just C"

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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a lot of practices in C++ that you would never use in C code and vice versa

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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C is like a box of legos that have only your standard pieces.

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Like in the sense that for a beginner, C and C++ are the same

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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C++ has all of the more complex sets of pieces

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They aren't the same

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The syntax is slightly different, isn't it?

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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GWgoaThinken then it would be better to go for the cooler pieces?

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I don't really know, I've never tried to study a lang before.

vapid bluff Apr 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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you can compile most C programs in a C++ compiler, maybe with some minimal changes here and there

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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It would be better to learn how to put the basic pieces together first

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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complex != cool

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Learn the basics. Is it tedious? Yes. Does it sometimes get boring? Yes. But you will gain significantly more than trying to go balls deep in something more complex

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Yeah, I just...need to get used to the boring part

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I'm not, and it's not good.

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Same with life

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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ye, C++ is big on C interop

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Some stuff sucks

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But you just have to do it

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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GWgoaThinken is there a way I could make it more involved?

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Like

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Hmm

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I feel that the most important thing when learning something is progress

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Having something "cool" to toy with, like..it's boring to do a calculator. Sums are not cool and involving.

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Okay, here's the thing

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If you're teaching a kid how to play baseball, do you hit him with a fastball right away? No, you set them up on a tee-ball set

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If you're learning to fly a plane, you don't put someone in a plane right away. They do hundreds of hours in simulators or on the ground

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Same thing applies here.

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Yeah

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Could these people do these things off the bat? Possibly

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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If you are familiar with python, you can kind of simulate what you are doing in Python to understand some basic syntax and principles of C (with Python/C-API). You can play with python objects but at the same time you need to manage the memory, handle your errors etc.

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I guess my point was: you don't make the kid swing the bat without a ball to hit

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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But it's also just as likely that they'll get discouraged

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Sure, but you aim for easier targets

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Yeah, and most basics are baseball without a ball

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"Here are vars, here's how you sum"

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:32 PM

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And?

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Have to tell a kid which end of the bat to hold

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There's nothing wrong with that, it's part of the process

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:32 PM

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(I'll go take a quick bite, brb)

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Also, yes, I agree. I...I'll suck it up.

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Just have to find a course that works for me

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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The only reason I'm stressing it so hard is because it's incredibly easy to get discouraged if you go big first

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"Whelp, I suck at this because I can't make a AAA game when I'm learning C++"

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I don't know if all I'm saying is good advice, but it's what I've had to really force on myself in order to learn various languages

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Could these people do these things off the bat? Possibly
@plucky ridge think the bat is pretty much required when it comes to baseball

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I was under the impression that, since I can sorta hack python together, I could just hack my way to other langs too

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But that doesn't really work

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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you really should not, especially if in the "langs with outdated stuff and bad errors" category

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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@rough sapphire You are dead to me. I didn't even think about that being a joke

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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There was a neat website that taught C

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Very fast and concise, but maybe too shallow

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:47 PM

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once I timed a pure python encryption library vs one that uses C, 625x speed improvement for the latter

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Does make me wonder what a Cython implementation or other variants would do

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I know it wouldn't hit the C level, but still curious where it would fall in between

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:48 PM

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yeah that would be interesting to see

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Cython is capable of doing great improvements but at the end there is still too much abstraction and every layer of it degrades performance.

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Understandable

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:50 PM

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GWgoaThinken I'm looking online and everyone is like "Don't learn C, learn C++, it's just better"

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I'm not knowledgeable enough. So Idk.

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I mean there's always going to be debate about that

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Traditional wisdom says to start with C

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But honestly, some courses start with one, some the other

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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It just seems that C++ does everything C can

rough sapphire Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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there is Rust as well, which more people recommend nowadays

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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But it's 100x more horrible

graceful basin Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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honestly, you already have programming experience, you will be fine either way

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I'm trying Rust, but GWhurpyShrug it seems like it's better to learn the fundamentals

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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@lime gazelle that is kind of weird statement to say, any example of such a case?

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Honestly what's more important than all of that, just pick something and stick with it

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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@lime bison https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/49kpyj/is_learn_c_the_hard_way_really_learn_c_the_wrong/

r/learnprogramming - Is "Learn C the Hard Way" really "Learn C the ...

2 votes and 10 comments so far on Reddit

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@plucky ridge Eh that's a problem in general, ngl.

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Also a C++ server I was in, everyone said "Just do C++"

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:52 PM

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there is 3 coments

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Well here's another indicator

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If you're asking a C++ server what they're going to suggest, chances are PRETTY good that they'll suggest C++

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Eh it's not C++, it's both C and C++ it seems

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:53 PM

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If you go to a C channel, everyone will just say '**** C++'

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:53 PM

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But again, I don't really know what I'm doing.

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Nor I know what, if anything, I want to do with it.

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There's a difference between "cool" and "yeah I'll do that". And I think I might just be like "oh yeah, this is cool"

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:54 PM

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just do whatever you want to do, if you feel like you are walking in the wrong path just switch languages

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it is not that hard to start over if you dont spent like 10 years

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:54 PM

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You said you were enjoying Rust, so stick with Rust

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The only reason C and C++ came up was because of more edge case stuff. There's really nothing wrong with Rust

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:55 PM

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But you said C is needed for homebrew and emulators

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And it's kinda true

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Can't write a shitty nes game with rust

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:55 PM

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No no

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I said that learning about memory management was the important bit

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Ooh

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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And there are guides and other things specifically for learning about the NES setup

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I..misunderstood

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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It's going to be a much different monster

lime bison Apr 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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You can pretty much do the same things with both C and Rust. Even if you are writing a kernel, rust is OK (but seriously dont do it 😆)

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:57 PM

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The language is too immature and changing far too much currently to be used for such deep infrastructure code, at least in my eyes

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I could see it being used for it later down the line, but currently....

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Which is why, like..

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Idk. Might be the more sound choice to go C then Rust

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 5:58 PM

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What matters is having fun learning if you don't plan on doing it for a job

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If you're miserable while doing it, there isn't a lot of point (past the initial hump, I mean)

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There's going to be some beginning step poopy stuff, but once you're in the meat of the language, if you're still enjoying yourself, that's a good sign

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But honestly, the important part is just doing it. I do the same thing, though, I waffle between my options, hop languages, all kinds of stuff constantly

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But the only way you make progress is to just keep at it

thin viper Apr 6, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Does anybody know a way to convert a height-map (height values for a grid) to a 3d-model?

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

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@plucky ridge well I'm not really learning Rust, more like "How to make an emulator using Rust"

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I'm following a dude and do what he's doing, which isn't really learning I feel

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Yeeahhhh it's part of why I don't like video tutorials, personally

solid pollen Apr 6, 2020, 6:08 PM

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My issue with video tutorial is that I can't go at my own speed

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Yeah that's my main beef

lime gazelle Apr 6, 2020, 6:08 PM

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know what

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I have a series about a guy coding a roguelike in C

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Guess I can watch that and judge if I like the lang or not

lost radish Apr 6, 2020, 6:45 PM

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oh

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I totally was in the wrong channel

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I was just about to type, but it became active again. All I could think was the scene from Pitch Black. "Looked clear."

terse sluice Apr 6, 2020, 6:47 PM

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lol

lost radish Apr 6, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Alright, I'm having queue concerns

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I've got a reddit bot and a discord bot, each with a queue system in place for their tasks

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I'm wondering if I'm doing it correctly in the discord one, (I suspect I am, but I'd like to be sure), and the reddit one is just a hot mess

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but everything works

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This was what I came up with for discord

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It was more educational than recreational

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Ignore the first queue, that was what I tried first.

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It should just be that easy, right?

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I see everywhere else, people are subclassing it. I presume it's because they're more complex tasks than storing a string, though. (rather, actual actions, I'm just thinking)

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Yeah, no, I'm fairly confident now.

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 6:53 PM

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It might be better to ask this in either #async-and-concurrency or snagging an available help channel

terse sluice Apr 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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yeah, i'm not well-versed enough in asyncio to help you out

lost radish Apr 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I think I just needed to step it out once to feel more confident about it.

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But for regular python, what would be a sensible approach to a queue system, for say, commands issued via comments in a subreddit?

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I went with JSON. It became increasingly difficult to get right. And I don't know why.

sand goblet Apr 6, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Depends whether your goal is raw efficiency or just concurrency

plucky ridge Apr 6, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Again, you're more likely to get better help by asking in the right place

lost radish Apr 6, 2020, 6:57 PM

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f1re picked the channel. I just followed.

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all his fault

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Then again, I suppose I didn't exactly mention what it was I was going to ask to begin with. lol

terse sluice Apr 6, 2020, 6:59 PM

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hahah i thought it was just going to be a general brain picking

lost radish Apr 6, 2020, 7:00 PM

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@sand goblet There is multiprocessing going on in the script, but I kept the JSON operations in only one of the two processes. I don't mind relocating to another channel if you have some insight.

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Lol, sorry about that.

sand goblet Apr 6, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I don't have a ton - usually for a task queue I'd use an actual task runner like celery - but that can be overkill

lost radish Apr 6, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I did it by hand. It's a weird system. The whole bot is a rewrite of the first version of it. The queue got added in the rewrite. It's just a simple !command type thing, with a cooldown that got turned into a queue system instead. Luckily, the overall performance of the bot is nearly twice that of the previous one. But I couldn't help but wonder if simply having multiprocessing in the script was causing funny behaviour, or if it was just me being messy. I used a class variable finally, and either that's why it cleared up, or it just happened to clear up because I was at it for so long

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idk. it works, though I'm not exactly proud of how I did it. Maybe I'm worrying too much. We just replaced it yesterday with the new one

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Actually.. now that I've stepped that out as well, I've got fresh perspective. Thanks guys. :P

lost rivet Apr 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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which one is the real lemon??

wheat lynx Apr 6, 2020, 7:20 PM

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This one --> 🍋

elder fossil Apr 6, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Evening pythondiscord

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I can't sleep again

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 11:47 PM

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@tame oar we wrote a custom sandboxing solution called snekbox

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https://github.com/python-discord/snekbox

GitHub

python-discord/snekbox

Easy, safe evaluation of arbitrary Python code. Contribute to python-discord/snekbox development by creating an account on GitHub.

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It makes use of Docker and nsjail

tame oar Apr 6, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Its basically an isolated environment?

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 11:48 PM

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so when the bot wants to eval it sends a HTTP request into this container and asks for the code to be run, then the container returns the code

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yep, it is

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it's got some pretty tight limitations on what can be done

tame oar Apr 6, 2020, 11:49 PM

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I dont fully understand, like how does it isolate itself? Is it with the docker u said?

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 11:49 PM

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off the top of my head, we limit memory usage, pid usage, read only file systems

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it basically runs python with the absolute minimum

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python will work and be able to do things, but it can't change any files

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and it can only run for a few seconds

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6 seconds

tame oar Apr 6, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Thats cool

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Oh theres a time limit

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What's the nsjail used for?

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 11:51 PM

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nsjail is annother sandboxing tool

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https://github.com/google/nsjail

GitHub

google/nsjail

A light-weight process isolation tool, making use of Linux namespaces and seccomp-bpf syscall filters (with help of the kafel bpf language) - google/nsjail

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it just puts more limits on what a process can do

tame oar Apr 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Hmm alright, im very interested in snekbox, gonna take a look at the source to see how it actually does its things, thanks for explaining okhandbutflipped

bleak lintel Apr 6, 2020, 11:55 PM

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no problem!

bright swallow Apr 7, 2020, 2:43 AM

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My current desktop:

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rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 3:24 AM

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https://skribbl.io/?u5k74lXl9rFO

skribbl - Free Multiplayer Drawing & Guessing Game

skribbl io is a free multiplayer drawing and guessing game. Draw and guess words with your friends and people all around the world! Score the most points and be the winner!

silk hamlet Apr 7, 2020, 3:45 AM

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@solid pollen sorry but it didn't work.

clear plume Apr 7, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Sleep is overrated

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It’s 3:30 and I’m not going to bed

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:26 AM

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!otn a sleep-is-underrated

royal lakeBOT Apr 7, 2020, 10:26 AM

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:x: The channel name sleep-is-underrated is too similar to sleep-is-overrated, and thus was not added. Use !otn forceadd to override this check.

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:26 AM

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!otn forceadd sleep-is-underrated

royal lakeBOT Apr 7, 2020, 10:26 AM

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:ok_hand: Added sleep-is-underrated to the names list.

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:26 AM

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this channel name is overrated.

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sleep is fine

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MuIMqhT8DM

YouTube

TED

Sleep is your superpower | Matt Walker

Sleep is your life-support system and Mother Nature's best effort yet at immortality, says sleep scientist Matt Walker. In this deep dive into the science of slumber, Walker shares the wonderfully good things that happen when you get sleep -- and the alarmingly bad things that...

▶ Play video

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 10:30 AM

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sleep is for the weak

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:35 AM

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this opinion sucks cuneiform_this

wheat lynx Apr 7, 2020, 10:35 AM

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To make them strong

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:36 AM

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sleep deprivation makes you sick and stupid. read matt walkers book, it's eye-opening. you'll never pull an all-nighter again.

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or listen to the peter attia podcast where he did a 3 hour episode with walker

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https://peterattiamd.com/matthewwalker1/

Peter Attia

#47 – Matthew Walker, Ph.D., on sleep – Part I of III: Dangers of p...

"I think that sleep may be one of the most significant lifestyle factors that determines your risk ratio for Alzheimer's disease." — Matthew Walker

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:38 AM

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nervous laughter

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 10:38 AM

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are you trying to tell me caffeine isn't a suitable substitute for sleep? pssht

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check out this guy with all of his free time to sleep and stuff

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:39 AM

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I wish I had free time.

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:39 AM

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we're all on discord

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unless youre employed with them

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Or unless you run a community of 40k people :>

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:41 AM

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the time I spend here is time well invested.

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:42 AM

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that sounded maybe a little backhanded, wasnt my intention

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:42 AM

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even for my career. it's probably why I got the job I have

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turns out running a big community for developers looks pretty good on your resume.

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:43 AM

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yeah thats fair

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:43 AM

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but oh man I wish the day was 30 hours

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:44 AM

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6 extra hours would be great for productivity here too

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Although knowing me I'd just spend it playing on pycraft :v

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

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sleeping for 8 hours every night feels terrible and stresses me out - such a huge amount of time not spent on productivity. but I don't want cancer or alzheimers and I want a good immune system, I want to prevent the effects of aging, I don't want heart disease, and I want my brain to actually turn the knowledge I consume throughout the day into learning.

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so I guess I don't have a choice.

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

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im lucky if i get 6, and thats with the nap in the afternoon

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

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working less is more lived life or something

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:46 AM

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you should work on that. sleeping 6 vs sleeping 7 makes a huge difference. you are not alone, sleep deprivation is an invisible pandemic.

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:47 AM

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shut all my electronics off remotely lemon lol.. i beg

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prob spend an hour on youtube in bed

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:48 AM

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I usually get more than 8 but that's because I sleep too late and then just fall asleep again after my alarm goes off

wheat lynx Apr 7, 2020, 10:49 AM

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I got ~10h sleep last night, maybe a little less

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 10:49 AM

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yeah i usually sleep for around 10 hours

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:49 AM

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they say that using screens in bed is a terrible idea, both because the color of the light produced by the screen tricks your circadian system into thinking it's not nighttime and also because you're basically creating synaptic connections between the bed and non-sleep. You shouldn't eat or watch netflix or whatever in bed either, for the same reason.

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 10:49 AM

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~00:00 - ~10:00

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:51 AM

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i hate crumbs, so im ontop of the food situation haha.. but i guess i still have a nasty habit to work on

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:51 AM

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for ideal sleep conditions, your bed should be a dark, quiet, and electronic device-less place with a slightly lower temperature

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:52 AM

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noise is actually one of the few things that helps me sleep, concentrating on the hum of my ceiling fan for example

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:52 AM

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oh yeah, whitenoise can be great

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some people like to sleep to music, too

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I used to do that when I was younger

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Hm, I have an echo dot in my room, but there's no screen on that

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:53 AM

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my kid isn't allowed to use any devices in bed.

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:54 AM

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cant do music but warhammer 40k lore on YT next to my pillow will put me to sleep too lmao

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:54 AM

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there's also this thing some medical experts are talking about called FoMO - Fear of Missing Out - which apparently has teenagers all over the world waking up 10 times every night to check snapchat or whatever so that they won't miss out on stuff that happens in their world.

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:54 AM

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idk why, i tried it with a few other things, only 40k works

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Huh, I didn't think fomo was a legit thing, I've only seen it in domino's ads

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 10:54 AM

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i fell into some sort of noise limbo last night when i was trying to fall asleep. I had left the bedroom door open and could hear the fridge. I was half-asleep and dreaming, and suddenly started hearing this sort of really loud buzzing or almost like a chainsaw sound, which sort of woke me up - I was lying in bed, couldn't move, but could still hear the really loud noise. This lasted for about 15 seconds until I finally managed to bolt myself upright and the noise returned to normal, faint levels and I realised it was my fridge

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that was really funky

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:55 AM

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doctors at work have been talking about fomo, so I think it's legit.

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:55 AM

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Yeah, I assumed it was when you said it

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:55 AM

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but I'm not a doctor myself, so take that with a entire fistful of salt

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I don't think they teach fomo at med school exactly.

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:56 AM

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It's probably new

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:56 AM

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but I think there's some interesting studies on it

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Domino's are constantly using it in their ads, like, use pizza to beat fomo

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

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what

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Hopefully they don't take over the search space

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Yeah I dunno

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

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what the hell does that mean

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

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I have no idea

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

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it makes sense if you dont think about it weSmart

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

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fear of missing out.. on pizza?

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:58 AM

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They came up with this jomo thing for their campaign - the joy of missing out

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:58 AM

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i guess

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:58 AM

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https://www.dominos.co.uk/blog/why-jomo-is-better-than-fomo/

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:58 AM

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i actually really like dominoes, but i dont trust anyone to cook my food right now

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bummer

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Their advertising is really annoying

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 10:59 AM

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the coupons at least are a good deal imo

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I ate a lot of dominos in ireland, but I kinda think their pizza sucks here in norway.

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just feels.. dirty.

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:00 AM

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I like their pizza over here at least but I haven't had it in a super long time

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:00 AM

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its for sure not healthy haha, tastes fine in the states though, at least where im at

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 11:00 AM

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we just have many better pizza places here.

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:00 AM

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We ran out of supplies a couple times so I've been like

📎 rKZC4aV-1.jpg

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 11:00 AM

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in ireland, it was the best I could find

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haha

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Yeah it's the second best I can find in Ireland

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM

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what's the best?

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM

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It's the closest I've seen to the pizza we could get in Rome

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM

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right, a local place is almost always gonna beat the chain

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italian style pizzas are superior anyway

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Damn straight

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM

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idk ive had some consistently awful pizza's from local places

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also some good ones

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Sometimes I wish I did culinary stuff at uni instead of CS so I could work there haha

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I mean who doesn't like free pizza

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:03 AM

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willing to bet youre better off down the road as a CS major

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though i dont work in that industry so i have no idea

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:03 AM

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If I'd passed, yeah, maybe

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 11:03 AM

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hahaha

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:04 AM

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hahaha oh

tame terrace Apr 7, 2020, 11:04 AM

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yeah man, soon all pizzas will be crowdsourced to twitch.com/twitchmakespizza or something and all the pizza chefs will be out of a job

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better off writing code

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:04 AM

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:>

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

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do pizza chefs make more than programmers?

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genuine question

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

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depends on the employer

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

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wasnt trying to say pizza is a dying uhh.. "platform"?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

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generally: no.

wheat lynx Apr 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

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I'm sure some do, I guess most don't

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Hey man, there are pizza vending machines

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It's only a matter of time

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 11:06 AM

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code vending machines?

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:06 AM

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we have one at my station that dispenses cup ramen, weirdest thing ive seen in a vending machine

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Like you press the buttons for the toppings and it cooks a pizza for you in a matter of minutes

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Never seen one in Ireland though

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:07 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:08 AM

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That is a little weird, but maybe it's one of those snack ramens

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There are ramen packets that are meant to just be eaten like crisps

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:08 AM

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nope, you need a fork and hot water for that haha

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 11:08 AM

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when i was a wee lad i used to eat regular ramen like crisps

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would crush em up a bit, put the spices in the bag, shake em up and eat them

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:09 AM

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A lot of teenagers in places like South Korea would do that as well, so now they make ramen that's intended for it

quaint rivet Apr 7, 2020, 11:10 AM

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i used to bring entire boxes of cereal to school and me and a buddy would spend our lunch money on milk, roll the inner bag down, pour the milk in and just eat it out of the bag lmao

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i think thats the most bizzare and unintended way of eating something i ever did

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 11:12 AM

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think the strangest I've done is eat spaghetti out of a large ziploc bag at a camping trip once

sand goblet Apr 7, 2020, 11:17 AM

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That.. That's pretty strange

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I think the worst I did was eat taco fries without any utensils because the chip shop didn't have any

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Walking down the street with this giant pile of fries, mince and garlic sauce, and one hand covered in it haha

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It was acidic enough to eat through the container it was in as well so I had to bin it before it collapsed

misty ocean Apr 7, 2020, 1:22 PM

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ramen crushed up is delicious

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 2:09 PM

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It's great in salads

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Something like https://www.lachoy.com/sites/g/files/qyyrlu341/files/images/products/chow-mein-noodles-87347.png is great in salads too 😙👌

pine vector Apr 7, 2020, 2:16 PM

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i used to eat those straight out of the can... 😋

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Good stuff

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 3:08 PM

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In the chip8 is it wrong to assume that I, which points to memory, and the PC are the same?

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Cause the PC has to point to memory too to get the instructions

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and to do so it needs the same value as I? or vice versa?

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sorry if it's a stupid question, I'm reading the docs and they seem intertwined

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:29 PM

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hey

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so in this site - https://www.horsepaste.com/

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two people on the same link can click stuff and it automatically updates for both of them

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how do I make something like this with flask?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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looks like there's clientside javascript polling the backend until it times out or the server responds

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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can I do it without js?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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no.

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Do I need to do a lot of javascript to make something of the sort?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:32 PM

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not particularly

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Like I don't know js, do I need to go in-depth and learn stuff?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:32 PM

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i imagine there's libraries that do a lot of this for you @velvet rapids

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:32 PM

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you got any links?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:32 PM

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i'd personally use websockets instead of polling requests like this site does

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:32 PM

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so websockets + flask

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:33 PM

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you'd still need javascript on the client side to actually do websockets and update the page

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:33 PM

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any tutorials ya got?

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I've heard of SocketIO

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:34 PM

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i'm not really big into tutorials

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i just read the documentation

velvet rapids Apr 7, 2020, 4:35 PM

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hmm k thnx

solid pollen Apr 7, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Since I added a swap file to my computer, the hibernate function appeared on the start screen, does it have anything to do with it, just out of curiosity?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:41 PM

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yes

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the machine's state is saved to the swap file/partition

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it's how hibernate works and how you can remove power entirely

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as opposed to sleep mode, which keeps machine state in volatile memory

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when a system boots up, it first checks whether the last shutdown was a hibernation. if it was, it tries loading everything from the swapfile back into memory again

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hey im looking for a reliable cheap vps

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which vps do u guys recommend for discord bot

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 4:49 PM

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i never thought my laptop could hibernate. After reading this message i tried hibernate option and it worked. First time i hibernated (not me my laptop) i was shocked. Previously hibernation didnt work

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:50 PM

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@rough sapphire Linode, DigitalOcean, and OVH are some good options

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Hey fire if u have six eye then reply me

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Say hi to me

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:51 PM

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not really considerate to bother staff like that

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 4:51 PM

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No just testing if he is seeing my message

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I m not pinging him though

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@rough sapphire u are a ethical hacker?

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:53 PM

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yes.

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Oh yes

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First time i know someone of my kind in this server

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When i shared a writeup here i got msg from ves zappa

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Saying its not good

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Hacking is illegal and all that stuff

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I'm not just a hobbyist. I have a hons degree in "Ethical Hacking and Network Security" and am currently employed as a pentester / security expert

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Omg

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Good

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Nice to meet you

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:55 PM

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uh-uh

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it's just a field of IT

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nothing special

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 4:55 PM

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But all pentesters, bug bounty hunter , i feel close to them

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 4:55 PM

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thank u @rough sapphire

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@rough sapphire could you do something about the failure of democracy in the west? pls

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lolno

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whyyes

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hack putin or something

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i don't dabble in politics

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really not my thing

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was seriously considering joining the army to help them combat disinformation

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and whatever the heck they do

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that feels like the only reasonable thing to do

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i need help

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it says my download speed is 42.89 mbps, while upload is 35.57

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how fast would you guys rate this?

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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pretty alright

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its not 2020 "Super Speed"

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but it'll handle day to day use easily

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downloading big games might just take a lil longer than being on gigabit xD

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 5:14 PM

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it says my download speed is 42.89 mbps, while upload is 35.57
@rough sapphire i have 1-3 mbps at max

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 5:18 PM

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@small fossil

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what do u consider fast speed

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idk any of these terms 😂 or how to translate

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would you consider 100 mbits fast?

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Like anything over 10mbps is "quick"

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 5:18 PM

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oo

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:18 PM

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and will handle most stuff

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 5:18 PM

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ok i see i see

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how would you translate 100 mbits to mbps for me?

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idk what are mbits

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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mega bits

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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8 bits = 1 byte

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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8 mega bits = 1 mega byte

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wtf

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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wtf

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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1000 bits is not 1 byte lmao

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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1024 byte = 1 kilobytes

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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that is a kibibyte

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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1024 kilobyte = 1 megabytes

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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i have an essay to due in an hour and i dont want to do it

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man

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Oh no

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I wrote 1000bit = 1 byte

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Fucking weed

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Lol i feel like i m in trance

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that is a kibibyte
@small fossil lol

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Lmao

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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1000 Bytes -> 1KB  (Kilobyte)
1024 Bytes -> 1 KiB (Kibibyte)```

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Lol

small fossil Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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skyShrug

low shadow Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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📎 Screenshot_2020-04-07-23-08-44-484_com.brave.browser.png

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It differs

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Lol

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Haha

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Lol

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Idk what am i writing

royal lakeBOT Apr 7, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Hey @rough sapphire!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (). We currently allow the following file types: .3gp, .3g2, .avi, .bmp, .gif, .h264, .jpg, .jpeg, .m4v, .mkv, .mov, .mp4, .mpeg, .mpg, .png, .tiff, .wmv, .svg, .psd, .ai, .aep, .xcf, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .md.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

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Hey @rough sapphire!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.txt). We currently allow the following file types: .3gp, .3g2, .avi, .bmp, .gif, .h264, .jpg, .jpeg, .m4v, .mkv, .mov, .mp4, .mpeg, .mpg, .png, .tiff, .wmv, .svg, .psd, .ai, .aep, .xcf, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .md.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 7:02 PM

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You guys don't accept txt?

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damn

graceful basin Apr 7, 2020, 7:02 PM

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!paste use this for text

royal lakeBOT Apr 7, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pydis.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Yeah it's kind of pointless to have to download a file to view text when we have services easily available for it

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Dumb question: what do you guys think would be more interesting to watch? A guy coding a Gameboy emulator in Rust or a guy building a Roguelike in C?

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I can't decide what to watch.

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GWpinkuSadOtato

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Help I can't be stuck in deadlock

terse sluice Apr 7, 2020, 8:55 PM

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that's a hard decision

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i know C a lot better than rust, so i'd personally go for the roguelike so i know what's happening

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Rust is more understandable for me, but Roguelikes are cool

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and have very interesting mechanics and algorithms

terse sluice Apr 7, 2020, 9:05 PM

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to be fair, i've only seen rust code about 5 times haha

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a gameboy emulator and roguelike are both very cool though

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:06 PM

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yah

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It's a tough call. I mean I'll watch both eventually

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just have to start with one

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hmm

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Cat videos

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Or chemistry videos

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Which I love to watch

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Nilered

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Very cool, he's Very cool

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I prefer NurdRage

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and I've been watching Nile but... I don't know

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Never heard of them

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I don't like his explanations

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Also the bot has spoken, I shall watch the emulator

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or maybe not. I don't know

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GWpinkuSadOtato

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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He just always sounds so unsure and not expressing the right safety practices

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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@lime gazelle You can write an emulator in one language, then write a roguelike game in C that would run on that emulator.

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I really don't like the lack of precision, I guess

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Just something about it bugs me in the back of my head

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:10 PM

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@shell raptor Oh I'm talking about what video to watch, that sounds like a hard time

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@plucky ridge I'll check out NurdRage

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also cody's lab is very fun

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 9:10 PM

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It's a lot more dry

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NurdRage I mean

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Like more like a chemistry class

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But I like it for that reason

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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~~nerd~~

plucky ridge Apr 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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You know it

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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@lime gazelle You can still write a gameboy emulator :)

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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@shell raptor I'm working on a CHIP8 emulator and it's giving me a hard time

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But I got the roms to decode so I'm happy about that

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But I'll switch off from it for a bit and learn Rust proper, that will probably make things easier

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Same sort of thing for me.
I plan on rewriting my backend prototype from Python to Elixir.

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:13 PM

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never heard of it GWpinkuSadOtato

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:13 PM

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It's like Erlang, but you can drink it.

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Never looked at Erlang either

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I'm not that knowledgeable besides python

rough sapphire Apr 7, 2020, 9:14 PM

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you can drink anything with enough determination, it's what we invented blenders for

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Erlang is a functional programming language made primarily for distributed systems.

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:15 PM

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so like Haskell but for the cloud?

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Well... It's quite different from haskell.

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Elm is Haskell for web with weird restrictions, though.

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Haskell just feels strange to write

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I don't like it

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Everyone is like "Haskell is fun". No. It's stupid.

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It's maths disguised as programming

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but less cool

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I like algebraic data types a lot, though.

lime gazelle Apr 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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you like maths?

shell raptor Apr 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I do, but that's unrelated to algebraic data types.