I'm more of a text person
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
plucky ridge
gentle moss
giving you a story about how one time the guy built a webpage or some shit
sand goblet
plucky ridge
Yeah I knew about the MDN
undone berry
I find w3schools more concise than MDN
plucky ridge
But that's usually for looking up stuff
vestal briar
Back to getting annoyed at pypi
sand goblet
They have tutorials and stuff
dense stratus
I don't even recognize JS anymore
undone berry
Looking at their beginner tutorial, it feels more annoying to navigate than w3schools. w3schools is very conducive to jumping around to relevant bits
which is a good way of learning
undone berry
If JS was strictly typed, I think I'd really like it
and if you didn't have to transpile everything
sand goblet
typescript works great when set up
it really is just JS with strict typing
that's what I'm using in my current project
oh, that reminds me
have another stuck-together logo
undone berry
Optional static typing really doesn't appeal to me
plucky ridge
Honestly if you treat it like you would any strictly typed language, it's not really that bad
sand goblet
TS isn't optional static typing
gentle moss
i'm so manly i eat my steak with a fork and a spanner
dense stratus
When I did JS it was what you used on client side. There were no frameworks, ajax hadn't even really caught on yet. It was just a language and you could do stuff in it. But now, the language doesn't even matter. If you do JS the question is which framework... Angular, Node or whatever...
undone berry
It is a strict syntactical superset of JavaScript, and adds optional static typing to the language.
gentle moss
i use the spanner to beat chunks of meat off it
plucky ridge
@gentle moss I don't want to know how you beat the meat
sand goblet
which eslint will bitch at you for by default
gentle moss
with a spanner
dense stratus
now, that's what she said
plucky ridge
She has weird tastes
gentle moss
leaves me a bit tight in the nuts but it gets the job done
plucky ridge
I'm mad I didn't think of that first
sand goblet
any thoughts on that arrangment of font-awesome icons btw?
undone berry
I've only done a little bit of TS, but when I did, it just felt like a worse version of JS
sand goblet
pro licenses allow you to do that with them
undone berry
and I don't think it really solves any fundamental problems
plucky ridge
Worse in what way?
sand goblet
I mean, I'm using it, and it helps me to write better code
plucky ridge
It does make you do more work for little gain comparatively
sand goblet
setting it up is the annoying part
undone berry
Worse in that you can rely on any and write shitty code, but still have typing everywhere that isn't even useful
plucky ridge
If you make sure to work on best practices in the first place, it's less needed
But typing is useful
dense stratus
sounds like a pipe dream
undone berry
Same as in Python - typing is only useful when the purpose isn't evident
plucky ridge
No?
undone berry
and the places where you're doing complex stuff - any always ended up appearing
wooden silo
Typing is useful when you refactor stuff.
dense stratus
it's tools right... just tools
wooden silo
Refactoring without typing is a mess.
dense stratus
if all you have is a hammer then you can beat the screw into the board
wooden silo
You change something and then you have no idea if it'll work until you try every little edge case.
Typing adds a thousand implicit unit tests.
dense stratus
if your language has strong typing then you can use that, if it has hinting you can use that, and otherwise, you program it differently
"Prefer explicit to implicit" no?
sand goblet
it's still just javascript with typing
vestal briar
Dynamic is good for fast-paced development, static is good for maintainability
plucky ridge
It does tend to be come incredibly verbose
sand goblet
well, that's good imo
dense stratus
the strong vs weak typing argument comes around every couple years and it is a huge argument and then it goes away again
plucky ridge
If that's what they're called, can't remember
wooden silo
@vestal briar I don't really think that's true, even. It sounds plausible in theory, but everything worth doing needs to be maintained.
undone berry
It might have just been the codebase I was working on, but I don't think so. It ended up as this annoying OOP stuff that seemed to move away from the more functional approach modern JS takes
sand goblet
I don't write functional JS
vestal briar
I said it's good for maintainability, not it's the be all and end all
plucky ridge
That is true, JS does tend to move towards currying the hell out of everything
sand goblet
I use async/await and classes
dense stratus
most JS I have seen was oop'ed I think ClojureScript might be what you are looking for
sand goblet
callbacks can bugger off
wooden silo
I also don't think typing prevents fast-paced development.
plucky ridge
It doesn't
vestal briar
With dynamic languages you don't have to worry about defining types, making development faster
vestal briar
And having types set make it a easier to maintain
dense stratus
when you have strong typed lanugages all the sudden people what to know how to do Generics in it
plucky ridge
How much more time do you genuinely think it takes to write one more line to set a type?
undone berry
I'm a fan of functional JS; its easy to write and easy/nice to read assuming it is actually written well
wooden silo
But with dynamic languages, you have to make up for the lack of typing with unit tests, if you don't want your code to be a buggy mess, and tests take time to write.
plucky ridge
I don't buy the dynamic saves time because you don't define types
wooden silo
So yeah, maybe with dynamic typing, it's faster to write garbage that doesn't work.
plucky ridge
I tend to treat everything I'm writing like it's static
dense stratus
I don't buy that it requires any unit more tests either
plucky ridge
Or try to at least
dense stratus
Why not treat it like it is immutable
sand goblet
I have never been a supporter of the move to functional languages/code
Some of the constructs are handy to have
dense stratus
Functional is plenty fun!
sand goblet
but I'd rather write OOP
dense stratus
Right tool right mindset
plucky ridge
Yep
undone berry
I find the JS middle ground of OOP/Functional pretty nice to work in
plucky ridge
I'm getting more used to it
sand goblet
The middle ground is nice and I do use functional constructs occasionally
but I'm still majority OOP
wooden silo
Most popular languages have functional language features nowadays.
plucky ridge
I just still have a mental block with the... what is it... arrow functions?
wooden silo
It's pretty widely accepted as a good idea.
plucky ridge
That still breaks me for some reason
undone berry
Comparing lambdas to arrow functions, and arrow functions are much more usable
python lambdas that is
dense stratus
Well, Lisp was writtin in 1958 and it is still kicking... so perhaps there is something to this Functional stuff
wooden silo
@undone berry How so?
vestal briar
Oh god not functional arguments again
sand goblet
python lambdas are actually kind of useless, yeah
only a very small subset of situations where they're handy
plucky ridge
No tool is uselss
dense stratus
no more useless than the stupid walrus
undone berry
Mainly the fact arrow functions allow readable multilines
plucky ridge
You know, the walrus has grown on me a bit
wooden silo
Mm, fair enough.
sand goblet
I like the walrus
dense stratus
it is cute, ever heard of the elvis operator?
sand goblet
yes, I use kotlin
wooden silo
The walrus is a small benefit. Don't see any downsides to it.
plucky ridge
It doesn't look like Elvis!
dense stratus
just found this one out the other day
sand goblet
yeah it does, cmon
sand goblet
it's ?:
undone berry
Even with the picture of elvis next to it, I can barely see it
dense stratus
you know how you have the ternary operator in C (x == 1)?x:y;
plucky ridge
Okay, if I have to actively turn my head and squint and it still only KIND of looks like it
It's not an apt name
undone berry
vestal briar
The fuck is this convo
dense stratus
so they have removed the center so you can use it for coalesing
undone berry
?: is called the elvis operator because it apparently looks like elvis
dense stratus
(x == 1)?:y
plucky ridge
Oh my god
sand goblet
it does
plucky ridge
Weird duckface thing
vestal briar
Why am I here looking at people argue about if ?: looks like elvis
dense stratus
so you don't have to reproduce the test twice
plucky ridge
@vestal briar Not sure, why are you griping at us for doing so
undone berry
yeah, as dumb internet convos go, this one is fine
plucky ridge
If you don't want to participate, don't
undone berry
not like its pineapple on pizza that literally no one cares about
plucky ridge
Just don't give us shit for having fun
vestal briar
And the next argument starts
dense stratus
funny thing, it actually works in CLANG and GCC but unfortunately not XLC
vestal briar
๐
dense stratus
oooohhh you said shit
Are you here for the 5 minute argument, or did you pay for the whole half of an hour?
plucky ridge
I'm just confused why he suddenly turned into a grumpy butt
sand goblet
he might be a grumpy butt but he's our grumpy butt
plucky ridge
He's usually more pleasant than that, and doesn't actively try to ruin people's fun in their conversations
dense stratus
maybe he can document that and do a pull request? isn't that the latest line du jour?
sand goblet
that sounds less fun though
vestal briar
Sorry I insulted you convosation
sand goblet
pomp and circumstance
dense stratus
well you can call it what you want, and something will stick. Unless you are talking about GIF
dense stratus
When apple came out with SCSI they didn't want it pronounced SCUZZY
plucky ridge
The tunnel snake
dense stratus
it was supposed to be SEXY
undone berry
As much as I respect him, I'm not sure Hemlock can convince the world to change Elvis operator to Pomp no matter who hard he tries
dense stratus
what do you call ->
plucky ridge
It's my coding head cannon
sand goblet
arrow
plucky ridge
Yeah, arrow
dense stratus
I call it the same as =>
sand goblet
arrow, yes
dense stratus
rocket
undone berry
I didn't know => was called rocket
sand goblet
that's such a non-argument
dense stratus
my boss cocks an eye at me every time I say it though.. "I didn't know that what it was called... "
plucky ridge
Okay, I might get crap for this
I feel like Python is like Linux and Ruby is like Mac
dense stratus
hehehe
sand goblet
Whenever someone mentions rocket as an operator, they mean <=>, aka "rocket ship"
when I've heard them
dense stratus
that a lozenge
plucky ridge
Ruby tries to be all pretty and special but just appeals to the folks who want to look cool
undone berry
I'd definitely buy that. I imagine vastly more Ruby devs are on macs than python devs
sand goblet
it's a what?
undone berry
as a percentage
sand goblet
a lozenge is the thing you suck on when you have a sore throat
sand goblet
it's not a rhombus though, is it?
plucky ridge
Unless you live dangerously
dense stratus
ozยทenge
/หlรคzษnj/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a rhombus or diamond shape.
plucky ridge
Yep
sand goblet
fira code makes it look like this
plucky ridge
Fancy
sand goblet
which makes more sense to me than a rupee on its side
dense stratus
it's s 2 headed nope rope
undone berry
I'm not sure how much I like fonts messing with stuff to that extent
sand goblet
I am
dense stratus
Okay, how about #
plucky ridge
Depends on the context
undone berry
pound or hash
sand goblet
that's a hash
dense stratus
Not octothorp?
sand goblet
man I'm listening to an artist on spotify and I think this song is a runescape remix
what even
plucky ridge
Pound on a phone, hash elsewhere
dense stratus
I think that is the coolest sounding thing
plucky ridge
Octothorpe sounds like a villain in an 80's cartoon
rough sapphire
hashtag hashtag
dense stratus
I think of that funny L shaped thing when you say pound
plucky ridge
I just know it from phones
plucky ridge
Or rather that's the only context I've heard it called that
dense stratus
Then what is on the other side *
plucky ridge
Star
dense stratus
Nathan Hale
plucky ridge
Well played
sand goblet
but I call it a splat when programming
undone berry
in your head or out loud?
dense stratus
so you call ! a bang too then
sand goblet
I don't call that a bang, no
plucky ridge
I only consider it a splat when talking about extra source books for roleplaying systems
All the various splatbooks
dense stratus
hmmm bang and splat tend to go together
sand goblet
I'm not old enough to call them that really
dense stratus
But I like Nathan Hale for *
sand goblet
I just picked up splat somewhere
undone berry
The interrobang ( โฝ ) is the most underused symbol
plucky ridge
Oh wait you were serious
sand goblet
yeah
plucky ridge
I thought you were joking about the Hale thing
sand goblet
mind you I can't actually type the interrobang
and don't really want to go back to APL
dense stratus
It comes from people making all the things pronounceable so you can dictate code or remmeber passwords with symbols in them
tulip palm
i've heard splat used but only in context of *args and **kwargs and stuff in python
sand goblet
yeah that's where I'd call it a splat
undone berry
(I also can't actually type an interrobang, but thats besides the point - I should be able to dammit)
dense stratus
Gnu just released a new APL with all the stupid characters and crap.... but J is alive and kicking and you don't need a special keyboard for it
sand goblet
I don't want to work with APL regardless of character set
dense stratus
It is a ! and a ? squished together
undone berry
Yes
sand goblet
yes
tulip palm
i can type โฝ using my compose key
dense stratus
That is the WTF character
tulip palm
compose + ! + ?
undone berry
and I believe you mean It is a ! and ? squished togetherโฝ
sand goblet
I don't have a compose key
plucky ridge
What purpose does it serve?
tulip palm
oh man compose keys are amazing
undone berry
To put after exclamatory questions
sand goblet
it's an entirely different way of typing accents
plucky ridge
Fair enough
tulip palm
it's so good to be able to type things based on what they look like
dense stratus
Funny thing, when commenting chess games one uses ?! as well as !? and htey have differnt meaning
tulip palm
รท = compose + : + -
sand goblet
yes, but getting used to it isn't helpful
because almost no computers in the wild have one
sand goblet
I mean if you only ever use your own computer then fair enough, but
dense stratus
?! is a dubious move and !? is an interesting move... but if they squished together it would be hard to understand
sand goblet
I wonder who decided to put the tittle on the bottom of the I and just call it a new character
plucky ridge
I usually do ?!?
undone berry
The chess community cannot be allowed to stand in the way of the interrobang
dense stratus
well there's that
plucky ridge
Read that as the cheese community
undone berry
well - they can't either
sand goblet
that's my kind of community
undone berry
I honestly just want a new piece of non-emoji punctuation to enter common usage
dense stratus
I use all the smilies as punctuation
plucky ridge
Like
dense stratus
not emoji but tru actual smilies
sand goblet
plucky ridge
Layered on top of each other?
undone berry
Thats the same as emojis IMO
sand goblet
it is functionally the same
dense stratus
nope, because emoji require non ascii chars or actual graphics
sand goblet
some smilies do too
undone berry
๐ is the most useful emoji
dense stratus
as soon as they do then tyhey are emoji and I abandon them as abominations
sand goblet
and what's wrong with unicode or images anyway
undone berry
can't do that in ascii
undone berry
that is very much not a thumbsup
sand goblet
yeah it's not
dense stratus
I hate that it changes my : ) into that blob
undone berry
๐
sand goblet
then turn off that feature
undone berry
I didn't even know it did
rough sapphire
yuss need blob emojis
dense stratus
I have turned off emoji rendering in so many places then someone sends me a message full of aubergines and tacos and I don't know what they are trying to say
undone berry
Sounds to me like you're speaking to the wrong people
dense stratus
Aubergines ๐ and Tacos ๐ฎ or I guess ๐ works too depending on your proclivities
rough sapphire
mmm
dense stratus
Or the right ones ๐
plucky ridge
Honestly now I'm just hungry
undone berry
tbf, tacos didn't click for me at first and I also just want tacos now
dense stratus
at my age me too, but for a babaganush taco with peach salsa
undone berry
peach salsa sounds rubbish
plucky ridge
Any time I hear babaganush it just makes me think of MXC
dense stratus
it's great with ghost pepper
undone berry
I'm not a massive fan of sweet/spicy combinations
dense stratus
then add more ghost pepper
undone berry
Like getting a grape in a thai curry is just rubbish
at that point - I may as well cut out the salsa altogether tho
and just eat the ghost pepper
dense stratus
depends on the curry, might be good in panang curry, they put pineapple in it here
But then how do I get the peach into it..
undone berry
I haven't
dense stratus
The trick is to make a meal from Aubergines ๐ and Tacos ๐ฎ and ๐ otherwise it is just sexual
undone berry
but I'm confident I would like it
sand goblet
me too
undone berry
Its normally a lot of cinnamon right? Cinnamon is usually great
dense stratus
doesn't sound kosher ๐
undone berry
apparently not
undone berry
and just one specific recipe I saw had a lot of cinnamon
dense stratus
well maybe with turkey bacon... but that doesn't even sound good
undone berry
Bacon isn't good enough that you need substitute meats for it
sand goblet
or religion in general
Bacon is great
substitutes aren't worth it because they can't match up
undone berry
Bacon is good - but I could definitely live without it
dense stratus
I am not a big fan of bacon, religion has no bearing.
sand goblet
you could live without anything
dense stratus
it is akin to a very salty ashtray
undone berry
well, clearly - but if the different bits of animal, bacon is very far down the list of ones I wouldn't want to give up
dense stratus
I don't like the "smoke" flavor and then being in the US south, if you order a vegetable here it will have been cooked in it to death
sand goblet
Not all bacon is smoked
dense stratus
true, but then to me it is not bacon, it is something else porkbelly or prejuto or something
sand goblet
No, it's just unsmoked bacon
dense stratus
anyway, not my fav,
it's lots of fat, and redmeat and my Dr says I can eat redmeat 1 time per month.. I ain't wasting that on bacon
undone berry
Bacon is white meat
undone berry
apparently its not actually white meat
dense stratus
if it comes from a mammal... it is red meat
undone berry
according to Quora
sand goblet
red meat is red before cooking and brown when cooked
bacon is neither of those things
dense stratus
or grey or beige depending on how you cook it
undone berry
The USDA considers all pork to be red meat
dense stratus
and it is not the color but the class of meat product that matters
sand goblet
well the USDA has been wrong before
dense stratus
and they will be wrong again,
undone berry
Yeah, the USDA isn't exactly the best org in the world
dense stratus
meh.. I have to start thinking about lunch now hmmm
sand goblet
Some meat, such as pork, is classified as white meat under the common or gastronomic definition, but as red meat under the nutritional definition.
that said, red meat's bearing on health is unclear
there's a good amount of evidence that suggests that it's not a useful metric in any form
most of which appeared last year apparently
dense stratus
well, I am just trying to live forever...
Dr said eat more plants, redmeat 1ce a month, poultry a couple times a week and fish a few as well.
It might not make me live forever, but it sure might feel like it
Had shrimp tacos last night, now I know shrimp is a bug so what color meat is that ๐
undone berry
Eating more plants is almost certainly a good way to live for longer
Shrimp is seafood - so probably healthy
dense stratus
Hmm I could go for a nice veal osso bucco right about now.. that ain't happening either
undone berry
or probably very unhealthy because I'd imagine US shrimp is full of mercury and lead or something
dense stratus
I didn't taste any mercury or lead... maybe I got the wrong ones
sand goblet
you'd think I'd be healthier then in that case since I eat roughly no seafood whatsoever
dense stratus
probably just don't eat enough chocolate
undone berry
sadly its much easier to eat unhealthily than healthily no matter what
dense stratus
or scotch
sand goblet
I don't eat either of those things really either
dense stratus
Scotch is the water of life, if you could drink the correct dosage every day you would live forever... just have to figure out the right dosage
undone berry
none?
dense stratus
actually been more on a rye kick lately so there't that.
Teatotaler? I respect that. I won't make you drink my whiskey if you don't try to take mine away.
undone berry
I am both a teatotaller and a teetotaller
dense stratus
Seems like everyone here has become craft beer fans and IPA specifically
undone berry
I'm pretty sure some kinda tea actually is the water of life
dense stratus
did I spell it wrong
well I drink my kombucha every morning
and I have a green tea right next to me
undone berry
yeah, teetotaller is someone who doesn't drink alchohol - and I presume teatotaller is someone who drinks a lotta tea
dense stratus
Hmmm always spelled that wrong
It originated, as we learn from the Landmark, with a man named Turner, a member of the Preston Temperance Society, who, having an impediment of speech, in addressing a meeting remarked, that partial abstinence from intoxicating liquors would not do; they must insist upon tee-tee-(stammering) tee total abstinence.
I didn't know that - thats actually pretty funny
dense stratus
I don't believe in abstinence just moderation in all things... including moderation.
and a little absinthe from time to time as well ๐ It's been said that Absinthe maketh the heart grow fonder...
velvet rapids
How do I make it print in discord and not in console?
graceful basin
you can use
from contextlib import redirect_stdin
from io import StringIO
new_stdin = StringIO()
with redirect_stdin(new_stdin):
exec(thing)
output_to_embed(new_stdin.get_value())
just dont actually use exec() for this
sand goblet
snekbox cog
oh, you mean in the repo?
nsjail has nothing to do with python
it's a process isolation tool
you run other processes within it
and yeah it's not trivial to use at all
lime bison
@velvet rapids who will use your bot? If it is you, it is ok to just use eval or exec
if not, people can abuse your bot and just crash the server that your bot runs in
plucky ridge
I mean people would have to do some heavy lifting to even get the bot to work in their server anyway
It's highly customized for our purposes and towards our setup
And it's unlikely that it would crash a Discord server. At worst it would crash the bot
undone berry
I'm assuming he meant the server where the bot was running - which depending what else its doing, could be very bad
plucky ridge
Gotcha. And I likely misunderstood from the start and assumed it was about someone implementing snekbox
I'm a very tired old man
velvet rapids
I'll be the only one with access to the command
But for safety reasons, I just want to disable somethings that can
- edit files on my system thing.
- destroy the bot like exit() or print(token)
Also, using eval, when I print it prints in console, I want the output to come back to discord
I couldn't quite understand snekbox
dusky orchid
you'll want to redirect stdout to another storage where you can put the collected output into a message reply
I just want to disable somethings that can
- edit files on my system thing.
- destroy the bot like exit() or print(token)
you can't fully prevent these if you're not sandboxing the environment
solid pollen
I wouldn't use eval personally even if I was the only one to use the command
I don't trust myself enough :D
To prevent those two things, it would be actually easier to setup a sandboxing environment
rough sapphire
just run it in a kata container and go wild
would be fun to .sys rm -rf /* just to have the supervisor automatically redeploy the container once you've nuked it
velvet rapids
I want to make the game racko with flask
How do I do something like, when 4 people click on a button, it renders the template with different variables for all of them?
void salmon
direct them to another page that has the randomized variable
i'm fairly certain it is NOT a good idea to make a game in flask tho
void salmon
decent number probably, there's a channel dedicated to unix
hollow leaf
Probably Broadcom Wi-Fi chipset then ^^
I'm on Arch Linux ๐
fun, channel's called #ot1-perplexing-regexing heh
void salmon
i use arch btw ๐
hollow leaf
:p
rough sapphire
@ashen dome Did you use Ubuntu?
Ubuntu or Debian with non-free firmware included would probably work with your system
Also greatly depends on the device ๐
non-free contains software that does not comply with the DFSG.
HP laptop?
ThinkPad?
Looks like https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/rtl8821ce-dkms exists
https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce also exists, but not sure if I trust it
void salmon
just go with ubuntu, or kde neon
i'd prefer kde neon :) it's super pretty and there are themes like sweet
rough sapphire
void salmon
personally not a fan of the more gradienty theme ubuntu has, but to each their own
void salmon
^
People really like mint and cinnamon, go for it if you want
But i will stand by my choice of kde ๐
rough sapphire
Cinnamon is nice, but kind of bulky
void salmon
Watch a video of it, it has super nice blur and the default theme is nice too
Has effects like wobbly windows too :)
User edition
Hmm not sure
Looks like here
gentle moss
basics of carpentry: how to build a box
"first set your tablesaw to..."
alright let me stop your there buddy
rough sapphire
it plays music
that's good enough for me
hello
hopefully everybody is healthy!
we don't have to quarantine this discord
gentle moss
he's talking about my runny nose
gentle moss
i woke up this morning and it's just zipping around the house
it does make the sneezes much messier
rough sapphire
๐
gentle moss
and my glasses wont stay on
rough sapphire
tape it
gentle moss
i have to catch it first
rough sapphire
no one else even gonna see you for a while now
what can possibly go wrong if i drop my specs in hot water , not boiling but hot enough to burn your hand
specs?
gentle moss
nothing
gentle moss
it might actually clean some grease off them
rough sapphire
spectacles
gentle moss
wow, how did you burn boiling water?
rough sapphire
my glasses are always fucking greasy
gentle moss
boiling water is the easiest of meals
rough sapphire
wiping it just smears the grease around evenly
gentle moss
that's why you lick the lens first
gentle moss
i mean
rough sapphire
btw we can't react in off topic ;-;
gentle moss
what does that say about your face xx?
i have a microfibre cloth in every room in the house pretty much
i hate grime on my glasses
rough sapphire
I rarely wipe mine
gentle moss
if i see some i start to move my head about in a weird way to determine exactly where it is
like some sort of fucked up pigeon
rough sapphire
haha if you two were in the same room, it would be like 8-eyes
I am like ehh
until i can read letters on screen it doesn't matter
like some spider
gentle moss
that's gross
rough sapphire
better than licking your glasses
gentle moss
if it were just huge cakes of dirt in your eyes would you just be like
"well, i can still read words"
rough sapphire
my eyes aren't made of glass, though
they're squishy, and full of strange fluid
well this lenses cost a ton still get dirty easily
and that fluid can get infected somehow
gentle moss
ofc they get dirty easily but that's no reason not to clean them
i clean my glasses like +6 times a day
gentle moss
i don't like putting my finger in my eye
gentle moss
plus knowing me i'd fall asleep with them in
rough sapphire
i never tried one but i can totally say i can't bare them
what about lasers into your eyeballs
its like a spider holding your eye ball
rough sapphire
mann there is a look to everyone who wear glasses that anyone can tell that he wears glasses without even meeting him before and him not wearing them at that time
gentle moss
but wouldn't work on the other
rough sapphire
I feel weird when someone come up to me and say "you wear glasses right" and i am like yeah
gentle moss
that "look" is two little red marks on the bridge of their nose
either that or without them they go crosseyed
rough sapphire
it just come out naturally without even knowing where to look
gentle moss
perhaps a vacant stare that shows they're really looking at anything in particular
sand goblet
Browsing upwork for the heck of it
I still find it hard to take seriously with stuff like this up there
rough sapphire
the 20% premium is pretty rough too
sand goblet
Tbh I'm kind of out of options at this point so probably I'll have to use something like upwork soon
rough sapphire
you're unemployed?
rough sapphire
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sand goblet
That's how bad the job market is here haha
rough sapphire
that sounds like you've had 10 years to practice whatever skillset you want
sand goblet
Ireland, rural, unable to move or travel
sand goblet
Can't pass the driving theory test, and have to stick with my disabled family
Yeah pretty much
I had a pretty promising application recently
rough sapphire
remote jobs def. exist
sand goblet
Company wanted a Web developer to recreate their fairly basic WordPress site from scratch, as like a bespoke webapp
Sent in my CV, guy liked me, went to the company meeting
"We just don't see why we would want to hire a programmer for this"
rough sapphire
what does that mean
sand goblet
Feels like I dodged a bullet there
I'm not sure
But it seems a bit weird to not want a programmer for a programming job
Especially given the portfolio of Web design projects I had in my CV
But oh well, I guess
rough sapphire
@sand goblet I'm looking to apply some work that's supposedly 100% remote right now
sand goblet
What've you got in mind?
rough sapphire
I'm not gonna talk until I've seen where this goes
sand goblet
Fair
rough sapphire
I did a tech thing for them a couple of days ago but I don't know what they think of it.
sand goblet
Management can be pretty slow to handle tech-related projects
But I guess that's why they hire programmers
rough sapphire
but this story you told me did make me think that it might fit you
sand goblet
I'm just frustrated to be honest and I've heard plenty of freelancing horror stories
People being banned from Upwork despite fulfilling the job
Stuff like that
So I'm hesitant
rough sapphire
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undone berry
I started doing some semi-freelancing stuff recently - and its very difficult dealing with non-tech people in a business context. Explaining to them why stuff costs money is just impossible for some things
sand goblet
I mean I'm gonna have no choice soon but
rough sapphire
I don't know how the social security there works. does it allow you to work in any capacity or does it immediately start cutting into your benefits?
rough sapphire
I have no idea what that means
sand goblet
Anything more than that and it's gone
I make 230 euro/week or so working at a sports club but that money is welfare money
230 is nothing
rough sapphire
so you have to work to get that money?
rough sapphire
920 a month?
and you have to work
is this how social security works in ireland in general?
sand goblet
No
The standard rate is 100/week if you're not on community employment
You can work and make less than that and they'll make up the difference
rough sapphire
400 a month won't even cover the rent...?
sand goblet
No, it wouldn't haha
The lucky ones get to go on Tus or Community Employment
But you have to be on welfare for years to get offered that
rough sapphire
what is the ireland some kind of banana republic
rough sapphire
are there student benefits
rough sapphire
but like monthly
rough sapphire
i guess that works too
i did a quick calc on the finnish social security website
assuming your rent is 400e + water 30e + electricity 30e + pharmaceuticals 50e, the government will hand you out precisely 1012.21 euros for free every month without any questions asked, assuming you have zero other income
sand goblet
That doesn't sound terrible
We have a rent allowance here but it only goes up to like 100-150/mo
rough sapphire
the rent will be covered in full here so if your rent goes up (up to some maximum which is way more than 400e) it will be in full
the guaranteed minimum for your own money is ~500e
but still
I'm surprised by the social benefits in ireland.
sand goblet
They announced a support recently
rough sapphire
I thought they'd be as good as in .fi
sand goblet
Where they'll pay up to 400/week for people affected by covid based on what they'd usually earn
I am on welfare though so I don't count
But I have a good boss so I'm doing it all remotely
sand goblet
What our dog does when he decides to steal the tag from a plant https://youtu.be/GJlJgZiWpwA
Good times
rough sapphire
doge
sand goblet
Darg
frosty berry
how are you not employed in some sort of tech job?
not necessarily dev, although i'm sure you could look for junior positions, but almost anything would make you much more money than what you do now
sand goblet
because I can't find anything
that's really more or less all there is to it
almost everything I can find online never replies or is some kind of math-heavy job
And there's nothing IRL
frosty berry
but there are no company looking for tech workers in your area?
sand goblet
No
frosty berry
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sand goblet
You can see why really
I mean look at the area I'm in in the video haha
This is farming central
primal spruce
what about remote?
frosty berry
i mean, for all i know you could be a 20-30mn drive from a city
sand goblet
That's the online part I mentioned
There are no cities whatsoever in this county @frosty berry
frosty berry
ok, indeed that doesn't help
sand goblet
We just have one big town, and a load of small towns
frosty berry
it's probably better to be in or close to a city for jobs, especially tech ones
sand goblet
Yep, but can't move
frosty berry
although everybody works remote these days anyway, but getting recruited now is certainly not going to be easy
sand goblet
I'll be in my 50s before I find a decent job at this rate
frosty berry
remote is also a lot easier to sell to a company (but still not easy) when you have experience
sand goblet
I do have experience though
frosty berry
as a dev?
sand goblet
And then the company goes "We need someone to make this webapp, so why would we ever hire a programmer?"
rough sapphire
your friend..?
sand goblet
that'd be me
rough sapphire
umm why
sand goblet
why what?
frosty berry
i guess some "asking for a friend" that wasn't taken ironicaly
sand goblet
His buddy said his company wanted someone for the job and asked him to ask around if he knew anyone
and he knew someone: me
rough sapphire
ahh so it's a copypaste?
rough sapphire
maybe they were thinking "this it not a job for a programmer" because the job is more about creating content on a website?
sand goblet
they basically sent me two links
"this is our website" and "we want it to look like this"
and then a list of requirements, half of which their current site didn't support
it definitely wasn't going to be a case of just writing a few templates, but it wasn't much more work than that
rough sapphire
mmhm
frosty berry
maybe it's a wordpress site and they assumed you could install/configure ready-made plugins for that.
rough sapphire
yeah it sounds a bit like that
that somebody came in from the side and just told them "I can do this in 10 minutes" and they probably couldn't
sand goblet
I mean, my CV does have CMS experience in it
if that was the case
but it's usually faster to ditch wordpress
rough sapphire
they were doing some optimization probably. cutting features but then cutting also the budget
frosty berry
wordpress is the kind of tools you can do a lot with without any programming if you know the tools and ecosystem
sand goblet
yeah, unfortunately I do have a lot of experience with that
rough sapphire
the whole laundry list of features was given to you
frosty berry
yeah not saying the result is nice to look at internaly, but it does the job enough to be that popular
rough sapphire
but then somebody looked at it and said "if you cut this, this, and this, the budget goes down by 900%"
ergo, no need for a programmer
sand goblet
I mean that is entirely possible, yeah
rough sapphire
it sounds like that to me
frosty berry
i guess your other option is to self-recruit, build your own business using your programing knowledge if you are not going to move anytime soon, and the local employment perspectives are inexistent
sand goblet
that's what I'm trying to do at the moment
frosty berry
nice
rough sapphire
was trying to sell this really nice project idea of predicting some time series but it was fatally flawed as an idea because the predictions were shit
well not complete shit but
more like "no surprises here" level
sand goblet
I'm actually working on a cooking community site of all things
rough sapphire
the thing went down the drain with the corona virus taking over the world
was expecting it to pan out. had to start seriously looking for new stuff again after that.
sand goblet
it's not easy to work on a project like that, especially not on your own
rough sapphire
the thing was that they gave me a database dump and told me "we monitor these metrics" - i told them "I'll try to do some project proposal based on this information and get back to you"
NDAs were signed etc.
there was a lot of potential for cool stuff there still
sand goblet
It happens, I guess
rough sapphire
but i guess this is the reality with most anything data science\machine learning
you can't have results before the project is done
plucky ridge
Anyone know off hand if you can use one of those Apple all-in-one desktop computers as a regular computer monitor?
Probably not, right?
undone berry
I'm pretty sure not - but I don't know why I'm sure of that
or at least not reasonably
plucky ridge
It's looking like it only has the standard computer ports
USB, firewire, etc.
Yeah, looking like any display ports are only display OUT, so for attaching a second monitor to that particular machine
Makes sense
rough sapphire
kind of like laptops
gentle moss
@plucky ridge wanna use an iMac as a monitor?
the screen connects via a laptop style monitor connection
iirc
you'd have to do some dirty work
plucky ridge
Not my machine. It's for someone who would be remoting in from home to do work. And she's not the most tech savvy person
So I'd rather not go down that road
gusty oar
java devs are alphas.because they are OOP lord
rustic arrow
solid pollen
I don't know if launching an app from the terminal is 1) classy 2) stupid 3) retro 4) lazy 5) broken
What would you say?
sand goblet
depends who you are and what religion you prescribe to
sand goblet
if you're used to having a full GUI environment you probably won't launch stuff from the terminal
not least because it then locks up your terminal
but if you're an bspwm or i3 user you probably basically live in the terminal
solid pollen
It is the Unreal Editor, it is too much buggy to be launched from the task bar, plus you if you manage to launch it, you have to reboot it to open the project, which takes around a minute
dense stratus
if not from the terminal then where would you like to run it from?
sand goblet
on linux?
solid pollen
Yep
sand goblet
try launching it with alt+f2
dense stratus
nice for KDE
sand goblet
or gnome
dense stratus
but not exactly as nice for gnome
sand goblet
works fine on gnome too
dense stratus
sort of fine
solid pollen
It makes a search bar appear for me
dense stratus
a little fine, if your system is setup nicely
solid pollen
I have to set the project path anyway
dense stratus
if it is in your path you will get away with it
solid pollen
Command being ./UE4Editor /home/akarys/Projects/UnrealProjects/Portal/Portal.uproject
No it is not
It is built from source
dense stratus
if it isn't and has to run from the desktop file then it can be a little funny
dense stratus
but you can still install
sand goblet
solid pollen
/home/akarys/UnrealEngine/Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Editor /home/akarys/Projects/UnrealProjects/Portal/Portal.uproject Hmm, big good old command
dense stratus
usually
../config
make
make install
solid pollen
I mean, it is probably not up to date, neither legal
dense stratus
you can always create an alias or shell script
sand goblet
what do you mean, not up to date or legal
solid pollen
I want to be able to compile specific branches too
solid pollen
Oh
dense stratus
the legal part is catching my ear
sand goblet
that file explains how to download and install the package from wherever it comes from
dense stratus
what's not legal?
solid pollen
Redistributing the engine binaries
sand goblet
and it seems UE4Editor is part of this package
dense stratus
so do you have the binaries that soemone gave you or did you do a build on your machine?
sand goblet
well yes, but these generally include working .desktop files
plucky ridge
Sorry, Iron Man 1 reference
dense stratus
then no probs
solid pollen
Hmm yeah I cloned the arch upstream
sand goblet
cd into it and makepkg -si
solid pollen
Can I just drop that somewhere in my system?
I don't want to build it, it is already built
dense stratus
sure, depends on whether you want it only for you or for any login on the system
solid pollen
what is that?
dense stratus
mono! hooray for C# or is that something different?
solid pollen
I mean, what is it used for?
sand goblet
well you'll have to look at the UE docs for what that env var does
or read that bash script
solid pollen
I don't think the build script is documented ๐ฌ
sand goblet
well there are comments in it
solid pollen
There should ba a file named SetupMono.sh in the git root, right?
sand goblet
not in the AUR package
it'll be in the upstream UE repo
the package just patches it
read the PKGBUILD to find that upstream
solid pollen
Ah it is in a special path
patch Engine/Build/BatchFiles/Linux/SetupMono.sh
There is absolutly no comments
sand goblet
I mean you can see one in the patch
only the blue line is the line that gets patched
solid pollen
Okay, there are 3 comments, not helpful at all
sand goblet
haha
solid pollen
What is mono anyway?
sand goblet
it's a .NET runtime basically
a third party one, although microsoft have contributed to it
solid pollen
If it isn't set properly, can it cause weird issues with the editor?
Or it just wont start?
sand goblet
you take a .exe that was written in C# for .NET and mono will be able to run it, probably
no idea
solid pollen
I wonder if I should run the patch and recompile or not
Because it takes half a day to compile
sand goblet
does the pkgbuild directly reference the git repo?
because if it does, the package will have updates when the branch referenced is pushed to
solid pollen
Epic's upstream? Yep
solid pollen
Yeah, it is part of the project setup I think
Anyway, let's back to wor- Why on earth is that portal on the side?!
It doesn't really looks right haha
I should just blow everything up
And.. probably use git this time
But they're all binary files
I don't know how well git will perform
Oh my
I found some spaghetti
vestal briar
Running ubuntu
Giving me "destination host unreachable" for all but the 8.8.8.8 dns I setup if I ping
ping 8.8.8.8 or ping 1.1.1.1 or ping 4.2.2.2 work fine but any domains don't
No idea whats wrong at this point
vestal briar
Yes, this is eithernet
127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ss2
::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6
# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts```^^ `etc/hosts`# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
# 127.0.0.53 is the systemd-resolved stub resolver.
# run "systemd-resolve --status" to see details about the actual nameservers.
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 8.8.1.1```^^ `/etc/resolv.conf`With ss2 being my hostname
Running over ssh so local stuff isn't a problem
Got it
I had a static ip assigned on my router but the networking linux detected was really messed up from the simple static ip it should have found
solid pollen
Nice
Is there a better working way of doing this? tree . | grep BP_PortalUtils
Nevermind, the -P flag on tree worked
But I wonder, is there a built in utility for that?
solid pollen
Hmm, looks like it is searching for the file content
I'm searching for the filename
lime bison
ah, I see.
velvet rapids
plucky ridge
@velvet rapids Have you followed the link?
rough sapphire
missing a starting slash
velvet rapids
Which line?
rough sapphire
how did you install chromedriver
velvet rapids
And it's Chromium installed, not Chrome, if that matters
I went to the link, downloaded the version that most closely matched to my chromium version for linux
rough sapphire
can you do file /usr/bin/chromedriver for me
plucky ridge
Something to note, Facebook really reeeeaaaaallly doesn't want people accessing their sites in automated ways unless it's through API
velvet rapids
Something to note, Facebook really reeeeaaaaallly doesn't want people accessing their sites in automated ways unless it's through API
@plucky ridge Yeah I'm not doing that anymore lmao
rough sapphire
do you see the problem
velvet rapids
I do not
rough sapphire
x86-64... on a Pi
velvet rapids
Oh
rough sapphire
which is ARM
plucky ridge
I mean.... messenger is one of their sites
velvet rapids
How do I download that?
rough sapphire
ARM is a cpu architecture, not something you download. Use your distro's package manager to install the correct chromedriver for your architecture.
rough sapphire
you rarely ever have to manually download and install programs on linux
velvet rapids
thast?
rough sapphire
you should do it all through your package manager
does raspbian really not have it in official repos?
rough sapphire
no, that's right, I'm just confused as to why it's telling you to manually download it
plucky ridge
Last I checked that's what you have to do for those drivers
rough sapphire
you're not running ubuntu
plucky ridge
Might still work, though
velvet rapids
hemm
plucky ridge
Both debian based
velvet rapids
Where can I get the one for raspbian?
plucky ridge
I'd use the search terms selenium chrome driver raspbian
rough sapphire
just do the things in the link I posted
it tells you what you have to do step by step
velvet rapids
So which one do I download?
@rough sapphire
There's no right hand side
Oh this?
Proposed or Release?
velvet rapids
Oh okay