yeah, some of his supporter are really up for that, they want the whole family, from ivanka to baron, to succeed him
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
gentle moss
he gained the system
frosty berry
president 2x then PM (but president) then president again? then again?
gentle moss
"oh no, my time is up as President or w/e.... i'll just take the lower position and my friend can be president. oh look he resigned. guess i'm president now."
frosty berry
and trump is really looking up to putin, so he'll do the same if he can, or directly go dictator
undone berry
I'm not convinced Trump would actually want another 8 years
glacial owl
And now he's changing the constitution to prevent that abuse, but simultaneously goes "welp, let's reset the counter for me, while we're at it"
frosty berry
stepping down would put him in legal danger, so he'll stay as long as he can, using whatever mean he has to
frosty berry
it's funny how they are all about preventing government overreach when they are not in responsabilities, but when they are, they are fine with the most absolute abuse of power
glacial owl
Can be applied to 90 percent of revolutionaries also
gentle moss
they also always bang on about how much government debt the democrats rack up on social programs
and then when in power rack up way more debt than democratic governments
frosty berry
well, sure, but they are on of the major parties, and they have been in power a lot, so they shouldn't feel the need of that, their policies are already pretty much in place
yep, fiscal responsability is a joke to them
undone berry
The world is very depressing right now - not a single major country with a good government
afaik
undone berry
I wouldn't call Iceland a major country
gentle moss
ahhh, forgot that bit
glacial owl
Indeed. Anyone with non-scumbag gov please chime in
gentle moss
i guess ~300k people in a country can hold power to account
undone berry
Brazil, India, China, The US - all trash
glacial owl
Even GB looks like Orwellian dystopia based on totally reliable internet memes
frosty berry
how can you get into power in a major country without being a total power hungry conman? :]
glacial owl
Being a literal axis of evil is tiring, they try to be good guys for a change
gentle moss
with this 1 simple trick that democracy lovers don't want you to learn about @frosty berry !
gerrymandering
frosty berry
yeah i know about it
undone berry
Well - FPTP is kinda automatic gerrymandering - but the boundaries aren't too extreme in favour of one party or another
gentle moss
yeah, FPTP is a major problem to a more representitive democracy
the majority of the UK vote for left leaning parties
but since right wing bullshit is focused in one party
undone berry
Is that true
frosty berry
yeah, changing the voting system would help a lot, but how do you get the people you voted in to do that?
undone berry
and IMO, you can't say Lib Dems are left wing
gentle moss
you could call them Twat wing
undone berry
45% were straight up right wing. Then 11.5% were Lib Dems, and their rhetoric wasn't exactly screaming left wing during the GE
gentle moss
last election was a change to the trend, but it's still true
of a ~60% turn out like ~50% voted left wing
excluding the tiny parties
oh, bar the greens
lab / lib / snp / greens = +50%
undone berry
50.3% of the UK voted left if we treat Green, SNP, and LD as left wing
vs 45.6% going right wing
gentle moss
it's one of the first times i've seen that trend get so close tbh
undone berry
In England the split is more equal
gentle moss
but then it was a shit show of an election
undone berry
In the England it was 49/49
wanton glacier
How anyone can seriously vote for the tories is beyond me
undone berry
cus they're fuckin idiots
wanton glacier
There are only two reasons you'd vote for the tories, if you're rich, or if you're a fucking moron
gentle moss
^
wanton glacier
yeah
frosty berry
i mean, if you are wealthy, and egoistical, it makes sense, but that's not enough to explain that many people
gentle moss
you don't even have to be rich
you just have to be well off enough to assume earning £80k doesn't put you in the top 5% of earners
frosty berry
a good bit is certainly family values/traditions/rooting for your team
wanton glacier
Yeah, if you're rich you can still be compassionate
I guess
It's turkeys voting for christmas though, completely ridiculous
gentle moss
lack of getting stomped on
rough sapphire
🦃 🎄
gentle moss
i call for a national service of broke ass
rough sapphire
gobu gobu
undone berry
By family values do you mean because you're parents voted X way?
gentle moss
for 2 years your wealthy entitled ass has to live like a normal person
undone berry
yeah, thats a major factor
gentle moss
if you've done a national service of broke ass unwillingly, you will be given 2 years of national service of rich ass
frosty berry
but also, they have things they believe in that are somewhat consistent with these votes, that they learned from their parent, it's a bit more than "i vote for X because i vote for X"
gentle moss
oh cool. i just read some virus modelling
if the US continue to have a shit response to this 4% of them could die
undone berry
I think the mortality rates include hospital care
frosty berry
the mortality depends on a lot of things
frosty berry
your population's age, for a thing, and amount of people concerned by some conditions
gentle moss
like ~4 million people?
undone berry
I walked to Greggs today just to see what was happening. And god was it depressing. I feel so sorry for old people right now
frosty berry
things like diabeties could play a role, and the US has quite some of that
gentle moss
an weight problems also
frosty berry
if you add to that that people are used to continue working when sick because they have bad insurance, and the shortage of tests, it could be really bad
(i think) they did announce changes to that, but it'll take time to have any effect
gentle moss
i liked the way when trump announced that insurance companies would cover costs
the insurance industry went "hey wait what now?"
frosty berry
you mean we'll actually have to do our job?
undone berry
I have no idea how regulated the US insurance industry is - but it doesn't seem unlikely that some of them literally can't afford to cover costs as is
gentle moss
i mean that's totally a thing
because they made a dumb ass money hoover with that industry
frosty berry
yeah, it's likely the contracts never promised covering any of that
not specificaly, of course, but not by wide-ranging exceptional circumpstances,clauses either
gentle moss
some docs / hospitals in the U.S. were getting their hands on covid tests and selling them
frosty berry
that's why you can't just base a society on contracts
gentle moss
someone i know in teh US got a text from their doctor "$1k for covid test with insurance, $7k without"
like, wut
frosty berry
i've seen people report doctors doing prescriptions for them and their families of large quantities of hydrodechlorine, or whatetever that potential and much hyped medecine is spelled
gentle moss
greedy fucks
frosty berry
(i don't think that's confirmed to be effectice yet, it's a lot of low-credibility and some of mild credibility reports that i see)
glacial owl
At least there's ONE thing my country that's less fucked up at than USA
BTW, just got a shipment of fresh tests developed in Novosibirsk
No idea how precise they are, but anyway, i feel that it's A LOT of extra work coming up for me
And a lot of extra money for my boss, I guess
frosty berry
oh, so you are working near the front line, good luck, and thanks
frosty berry
if you pay more than what they are worth, you are losing money
undone berry
the way the tests work is by jamming a qtip up your nose
I don't wanna get tested
screw that
I'll just lock myself in for 6mo
gentle moss
i'm not paying tshirt
glacial owl
More like backline support. Putting into a war terms, I'm the guy who looks at wrecked tank and says "108mm? Sure sucks to be in it".
Venereal disease testing is worse. Sticking in nose won't cut it, obviously.
frosty berry
😬
gentle moss
US government will have to cover people without insurance or this will be a disaster
frosty berry
yeah, this crisis is certainly a good case against the US system of personal insurance
especially as a lot of people are loosing their jobs, and their insurance is tied to their job
gentle moss
yea
undone berry
And there's practically no prospect of the system changing in the next possibly 4-8 years
gentle moss
maybe if they didn't spend 2 of their 4 years trying to get re-elected more might get done
frosty berry
yeah, i guess it's supposedly a nice system to have accountability and rolling responsabilities, but it doesn't work, at least in the way they implement it, so much energy trying to get or keep your place
and depending on donations that much every time
undone berry
Mike Bloomberg spent fucking 500m and got nowhere
pine vector
he got somewhere. he split the vote... worth it? most likely not. 😄
gentle moss
he got somewhere but then tripped over all his money
sand goblet
@rough sapphire Out of curiosity, where did you get the notion that someone's computer is generally at risk of being taken over by an attacker at any second of the day?
I mean, I get that security is mostly about delaying and making things inconvenient, but I'm not sure it's something most people should be worrying about 24/7 haha
sand goblet
Yeah, I wouldn't really use any kind of dramatization for that kind of info
gentle moss
does it have wakeup on LAN enabled?
because if you're going to be that paranoid then your router could've been hacked and someone could just wake up your computer
and then there's malware in your printer that turns all your essays into plagiarism
:O
sand goblet
the determination is nice, but you're probably not a target
and exploiting your home network is not how most people get their accounts taken over anyway
gentle moss
"never get hacked" is a a bold statement
sometimes all it takes is being awake at stupid o'clock, really tired, click on the wrong thing
sand goblet
I'd say that's probably the majority of cases haha
rough sapphire
i sleep at 11 pm each night and wake up 7am
sand goblet
Well, no problem, then
gentle moss
the biggest threat to information security is usually the people using the computer, was my point
rough sapphire
so human error
sand goblet
yup
sand goblet
having secure passwords, not clicking links in suspicious emails, not using the same password for everything
those are things most people need to think about
rough sapphire
i have 22 characters long password
sand goblet
That's not too bad
I try to go for 64-128 but it depends on the service really
they don't all go that large
gentle moss
password managers n that
gentle moss
he doesn't.
gentle moss
password managers store a bunch of passwords and autofill them for you
then you only have to remember the password to the password manager
undone berry
ToBeFairItsProbablyNotThatHardToRememberARandomSentenceForAPasswordLikeThisIsProbably>64charsAndPrettyMemorable (111 chars)
rough sapphire
yeah but what about the password to login to you pc
sand goblet
correct horse battery staple
well I'm not too worried about that password
but it's still relatively secure
undone berry
but if someone is in my house i have bigger problems I made that argument before and you all disagreed (It was about writing passwords in a notebook for old people)
rough sapphire
i only have cameras in the hallways and outside
sand goblet
that's all you need, really
gentle moss
yeah i still don't agree with writing them down :P
rough sapphire
then i have one camera on the street so i can see if my neighbours are a threat
sand goblet
I have one pointing outside and one in the lobby, but that'll also be outside when we get them mounted
rough sapphire
mines in a tree
sand goblet
I thought of that but I don't really want to run a cable there
gentle moss
my front door has a pile of shoes in front of it so it'll be obvious if someone breaks in
sand goblet
haha
rough sapphire
when i first bought my own house i set up traps
sand goblet
that's a bit overkill
undone berry
Contents insurance is a very good idea
sand goblet
also probably illegal
gentle moss
contents insurance is a very very good idea
like fuck i want to lose my lovely big tv
sand goblet
it is, yeah
rough sapphire
illegal to set traps up?
gentle moss
depends on country, but it can be illegal to trap your own home yes
sand goblet
One of the reasons often cited for them being illegal in many jurisdictions is that if medical, fire or law enforcement types need to enter your home for some reason (your house is on fire, you call 911 because you're having a heart attack, executing a warrant) they don't want to have to worry about tripping a booby trap and dying.
Which I think is a pretty good point
rough sapphire
thats true
sand goblet
here's what the california supreme court had to say:
Allowing persons, at their own risk, to employ deadly mechanical devices imperils the lives of children, firemen and policemen acting within the scope of their employment, and others. Where the actor is present, there is always the possibility he will realize that deadly force is not necessary, but deadly mechanical devices are without mercy or discretion. Such devices "are silent instrumentalities of death. They deal death and destruction to the innocent as well as the criminal intruder without the slightest warning. The taking of human life [or infliction of great bodily injury] by such means is brutally savage and inhuman."
rough sapphire
what about a cage
gentle moss
i mean probably not still
undone berry
What about just having a massive hole not intended to kill?
gentle moss
take the stairs out?
undone berry
Like, could I have my front door open into a 10ft pit?
undone berry
nah, because I'm a genius and will remember to use the plank I put next to the front door every time
gentle moss
10ft drop is pretty big if you're not expecting it
but it's also the sort of depth you'll need to capture someone
undone berry
but probably not enough to kill most people
gentle moss
ah, cover it in foam
sand goblet
Non-lethal traps are still illegal
rough sapphire
what if you come home drunk
undone berry
drunk me will still use the plank
gentle moss
see, that's where i'd run into problems
wake up the next day with a crossbow bolt through my ankle or something
sand goblet
trapping someone in a room/cage also counts as "false imprisonment" apparently
rough sapphire
when im drunk i cant even see straight
sand goblet
which makes sense
rough sapphire
how can u think straight
gentle moss
yeah, it would be
undone berry
what about just having a random massive pit in your garden
gentle moss
i mean it's fine if you locked them in a cupboard after they broke in your home
undone berry
and say someone falls into it
sand goblet
have to laugh at how it was explained on r/legaladvice
That's just false imprisonment. And also something that would look, to an outsider, like a room where you keep girls and ask them to put the lotion in the basket.
gentle moss
those are called swimming pools charlie
undone berry
and you don't check the not-trap pit
rough sapphire
what if someone hurt your family can you kill them
undone berry
The US has stand-your-ground laws which means if someone breaks into your house, you can use reasonable force to defend yourself
or something along those lines
gentle moss
*some states
yeah
in the UK not so much
if in defending yourself you killed a person, that'll fly
rough sapphire
thats sad
undone berry
The UK still has self-defence laws, but I don't actually know to what extent
sand goblet
"reasonable force" is about getting them off the property rather than like, breaking their legs, though
rough sapphire
if someone broke into my house i would execute them
gentle moss
yeah but if they're stabbing you and you stab them back and they die
i think that's alright
sand goblet
well that's self defense, yeah
protection of body vs protection of property aren't the same thing though
rough sapphire
what if theyre racist
sand goblet
that changes literally nothing
undone berry
Might bias a jury in your favour
rough sapphire
What if they’re a misogynist
rough sapphire
changes everything man
undone berry
although pretty much anything might bias a jury
gentle moss
what if they're a dog
sand goblet
there's almost no truly civilised country where you can kill someone for anything but self defense, really
rough sapphire
IM APPROACHING THE RABID DOG
undone berry
Thats actually interesting. Assuming my neighbours dog or cat wanders into my house, can I kill it?
I have 0 intention of ever doing that
but legally
undone berry
why?
rough sapphire
what if you kill someone to protect your dog
gentle moss
dogs have a stronger standing in law than other pets
gentle moss
no one gives a fuck about cats
sand goblet
you can actually do that I think @rough sapphire
gentle moss
and they don't give a fuck about that
rough sapphire
Imagine killing someone’s dog because they pooped on your doorstep
undone berry
fuck off - cats are the best animals
sand goblet
but again you have to prove it
gentle moss
because they're cats
undone berry
The idea that cats don't love/like their humans is rubbish
rough sapphire
what if u fake your death and come back to life
undone berry
Cats literally treat us like giant kittens
sand goblet
the reason for the difference in law is that dogs are useful
you can't really have a guide cat
rough sapphire
and someone goes to jail for you 'death'
undone berry
Thats true and valid
gentle moss
imagine seeking revenge against the entire family of someone who beat the shit out of you, stole your car and killed your dog
rough sapphire
imagine
sand goblet
it's a movie.
undone berry
it is a bit hard to imagine john wick with a cat instead
sand goblet
dogs are the best
undone berry
Look at this absolute bastard of an animal
sand goblet
haha, that's one happy dog
undone berry
he got in my car in that state
gentle moss
take a towel next time
don't blame the dog for your failures to look after dogs and cars properly
undone berry
Nah, I'm just taking someone elses car next time - not my dog
gentle moss
the last dog i looked after was pretty well behaved. could towel dry him down if he pulled that shit
undone berry
Well behaved dogs are very nice. But I still prefer cats. They can just do their own thing and don't need looking after, but are still fun to have around
gentle moss
unless they get sick and start shitting the liquid evil
velvet rapids
Is it possible to use the Facebook Messenger API for a personal account and not a page?
sand goblet
Not without breaking the terms of service
velvet rapids
oof
Can you interact with the Facebook Marketplace with a Page?
Can a Facebook page have a messenger account?
sand goblet
Pages do have Messenger presences, to a point
But you can't really write a group bot with one
since you're on discord, I assume that's what you're doing
velvet rapids
Basically -
If someone messages me with a particular trigger sentence, it sends it to discord and then I'll have a command that can reply. But I want to do this with a personal account and not a page, possible?
rough sapphire
why pulseaudio is so harddddd
glacial owl
Dogs are awesome
But damn, pets are just not portable. It's hard to visit home via train/plane with a cat cage
And I have no idea how to do that with a rottweiler
undone berry
Just accept that you're driving everywhere I guess
glacial owl
Short lives, though.
gentle moss
yes, there is that
sand goblet
can't really take most pets on planes
regardless of size
almost none of them will survive it
undone berry
Rats seem like fantastic pets
when I'm in more permanentish accomdation, I intend to get some
sand goblet
so many rats
undone berry
Pets go on planes pretty regularly in the US
sand goblet
only one buttegieg
if you're just flying across the country then the altitude doesn't need to be as high in that case
glacial owl
They are damn smart and social. People suggest getting several rats at once so they wouldn't be lonely
undone berry
Yeah, Google said they're the same as guinea pigs - get at least 2
glacial owl
My parents got a guinea pig when i was a kid, but It wasn't enjoyable. He got in full panic mode wherever he saw us and hid under the papers. We did not abuse him - he was just easily frightened. Maybe because they bought only one.
undone berry
I had some as a kid as well, and they were a bit skittish, but fairly friendly if you just fed them carrots or dandelions. Better pets than rabbits tho
glacial owl
What's with rabbits?
undone berry
I think they just need more exercise than they can feasibly get if they're in a cage - even if you let them out in a run during the day
although
the one I had as a kid started out as being intended for petfood
but my brother couldn't bring himself to feed it to the snake
glacial owl
Well, I think the bun would prefer to be a couch potato instead of a snack
sand goblet
Someone I used to be friends with had a rabbit
The rabbit was given the run of the house most of the time
gentle moss
my sister does that
undone berry
Problem with that is that they probably shit everywhere
sand goblet
apparently not
gentle moss
they're apparently not so bad
undone berry
oh, thats surprising
glacial owl
Also - what was that snek? Damn anaconda? I thought they ate mice, not rabbits.
undone berry
I don't even know what snake it was - but it was a small rabbit and a very big snake
like 5-7ft long probably
glacial owl
I was amazed how big cobras can actually be
rough sapphire
@velvet rapids
If someone messages me with a particular trigger sentence, it sends it to discord and then I'll have a command that can reply. But I want to do this with a personal account and not a page, possible?
That's against the ToS and not something we can assist with here.
undone berry
Cobras and venemous snakes stay relatively small I think - constrictors are the ones that generally grow to be massive
glacial owl
Nah, look at that absolute unit
glacial owl
King cobra
velvet rapids
You had pet snakes!?
undone berry
Years ago, and they were my brothers
velvet rapids
Were they venomous?
glacial owl
Snakes must be damn hard to take care of
undone berry
No, just pythons of some kind
Well, all they need is some dead mice and heatlamps - and they're mostly fine
glacial owl
Cold-blooded (probably need some special lamps) and need live food
undone berry
the issue is that sometimes they won't eat the dead mice becaue they're too dead
so you end up having to make the dead mice look apetising
which means microwaving them
and bashing them with a hammer or something
or just saying fuck it and feeding them live mice
glacial owl
Maybe they are considering to become vegans and want some crunchy carrots for a change. /s
Or making them street pythons. You know, like cats who wander the streets and hunt whatever they want.
velvet rapids
Bash dead mice with a hammer!?
undone berry
so its possible there was a snake living under the floorboards
velvet rapids
Okay
glacial owl
Spooky
undone berry
but it probably died somewhere outside - they don't do well in the winter
undone berry
Yeah, snakes are a bit of a pain in the ass, but kinda cool. When the little one escaped my mum was like "nah, fuck off" and made my brother give the other one away
glacial owl
But it's constrictor, isn't it?
Must be safe for a human
Unless someone wants to use it as a scarf
velvet rapids
glacial owl
Well, it's like putting head into crocodile's mouth. A cool trick, people know how to do it safely, but if something goes south, you were asking for it.
fervent dock
@undone berry you mean they were your brother's, right?
undone berry
Yeah
pearl horizon
Woo. Started a new project. This one using Bash. It's a system status display for use when emerging packages on Gentoo Linux. Fairly simple to set up, but getting into territory outside my scope. Having fun with it though.
So yes, that's the script 👌
velvet rapids
Can I run all these files into pyinstaller and get a .exe that has them all in?
primal spruce
yes, but it will require trial and error, you'll need to bundle the non python files using add-data options
i'd recommend opening the docs and taking a look through it before trying it out
velvet rapids
Also, the python files update files like the last.txt
primal spruce
all that won't really matter directly, but it means you'll need to write paths properly in the code itself
so it will matter in that sense
velvet rapids
And also it needs to open a localhost site thing for google login creds to make a token.pickle
Ouch this is going to be painful
primal spruce
good, you have a sense of how it will be. yes.
velvet rapids
🤣
primal spruce
my recommendation, don't try the "onefile" or "one exe" route just yet. Let it make a "Folder with multiple files, including an exe"
that one, you can mess up on paths a bit without any consequences.
velvet rapids
onefile/one exe whats that?
primal spruce
its a flag in pyinstaller
velvet rapids
Ah okay
primal spruce
go through the docs, and take your time.
velvet rapids
Thats one thing I don't have..
primal spruce
you can also always force whoever is on the receiving end to just install python and all the packages needed
might be quicker if you're in a pinch.
velvet rapids
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Trying to make it more convenient for them
Is that good for a first try?
Or do I need to add a destination file too
primal spruce
seems decent, but i honestly don't really know offhand.
run it, see if there's file missing in the folder that it creates under dist
velvet rapids
Anyone know stuff about facebook?
Can I post on the marketplace with a facebook page? mention me if you know anything related
sand goblet
@lime gazelle Just heard about Italy's death numbers today
you stay safe out there :v
lime gazelle
@sand goblet yeah!!
sand goblet
are you particularly at risk there?
lime gazelle
We'll stockpile on water and bread in the event that stuff closes
I...well
I live in the red region
lime gazelle
where it all started
sand goblet
are people behaving sensibly?
lime gazelle
For the most part, yes
We haven't have (?) shortages or anything weird
haven't had?
sand goblet
Technically speaking, we don't have shortages
but the stores aren't putting things out on the shelves quickly enough
lime gazelle
yeah that's a problem
also, couriers won't come into Lombardy out of fear for covid
So, idk if we'll have supplies or not
sand goblet
I mean, people still gotta eat, you've gotta get supplies in
All the truckers are still working here
lime gazelle
Yeah, but here they refuse to come in
sand goblet
What can you do about that?
lime gazelle
🤷♂️
I have no idea
I know I got my glasses in the nick of time
one day too late, and I would be stuck with ruined old glasses
rough sapphire
yes, "haven't had" is correct
sand goblet
Good call then, Andrea
lime gazelle
I worry about massive layoffs
lime gazelle
fuck
I've been employed for 6/7 months now
I'm fresh meat. I'll be on the chopping block
There is literally no incentive to keep an apprentice
sand goblet
What is it you do, again?
sand goblet
Oh, nice
I do some of that as a hobbyist
I don't think you're likely to be laid off in a pandemic tbh, once you can work remotely
sand goblet
Well, that's good then
sand goblet
I mean, I guess, but it depends how much money they're likely to lose in a pandemic to begin with
lime gazelle
I hope very few, since IT is always needed
sand goblet
nods
sand goblet
Not sure, I haven't heard too much about them
sand goblet
Although bisk posted some photos on another server of a store where he is being totally stripped bare
Yup
lime gazelle
Jesus
stark prawn
Here like half the pasta is gone from shelves :/
sand goblet
yeah, a lot of staples are real hard to get here
as well as some things you might not expect, like chocolate chips
wheat lynx
I bought some toilet paper today
sand goblet
Congrats
lime gazelle
chocolate chips?
Why?
Like, I get they're tasty, but that's not something I'd grab in a pandemic
stark prawn
I've got enough chicken nuggets for a week at least 🙂
lime gazelle
You're set then 😄
stark prawn
And vegetables for a month, but I always have too much of those somehow.
Always think I'
m out and then when I go put them away there's 3 other bags of the same kind still left.
lime gazelle
Well you can have nice soups and stews for a month
wheat lynx
It's pretty bare in UK. In my closest store almost everything canned and toilet paper is gone. They are almost sold out of chicken too for some reason.
primal spruce
chocolate chip op
pine vector
kids home full time = much cookies?
wheat lynx
In my store there was a good supply of baking chocolate but no flour
lime gazelle
Are we heading into ww2 like, food issues?
stark prawn
Some people in the uk were already hoarding due to brexit aswell.
sand goblet
oh, we have no flour either
stark prawn
lime gazelle
why for brexit?
wheat lynx
We managed to get flour and toilet paper from this organic food shop but it was double the price (just because it is organic, not price increases)
pine vector
collapse of trade agreements, uncertainty, price flucuations...would all be in my list of guesses.
wheat lynx
Because trade is uncertain pretty much, nobody really knows what will happen
stark prawn
But weren't you gonna get the best deal at the uk's terms?
I swear i've heard that from prominent uk politicians.
sand goblet
They have certainly been saying that, but it sure isn't true
And it misses the point anyway
gusty oar
today i saw coronavirus patient on twitter. i demoralized . i hope she get better . today 793 people died in italy. my prayers go with Italy 🙏
lime gazelle
thanksies
verbal rivet
Idk it can look horrifying if you dont know what youre doing
verbal rivet
I guess so, I wouldn't really know tbh
I've always thought blender simulations look interesting personally
velvet rapids
Can I install chrome on my ubuntu server?
thorn snow
@velvet rapids of course you can, but why would you?
velvet rapids
Selenium
Now need to figure out how to download chromedriver.exe via terminal
https://chromedriver.storage.googleapis.com/80.0.3987.106/chromedriver_linux64.zip
then add a wget
wget https://chromedriver.storage.googleapis.com/80.0.3987.106/chromedriver_linux64.zip
velvet rapids
- I use Windows.
- Not my server
wanton glacier
it's unzip
thorn snow
unzip filename
velvet rapids
What does that do?
thorn snow
unzip a file
thorn snow
disregard that
velvet rapids
Uh okay
thorn snow
anyway, just execute it if you trust it
or copy it to /usr/bin first, so it is available in path
but again, make sure it is legit
did you compare hashes?
velvet rapids
Hashes?
I just downloaded it off the google site
And when I downloaded the windows version for my computer, it was alright
thorn snow
Normally people offer an extra file with a hash of the package, so you can compare if it is legit
but does not seem like there is one on the server here
tried md5|asc|sha256
velvet rapids
Ah okay
Also, I don't have permission to move to usr/bin
Do I just sudo at the beginning of the mv command?
velvet rapids
But it needs to be in path?
I got the error
Even thought I added the path to the file while defining the object
pine vector
you can symlink to it in /usr/bin.
pearl horizon
It needs to be in path, or path specified on command line for it to find the executable
If it's a windows exe it wouldn't normally work on Linux
thorn snow
he downloaded the linux package
velvet rapids
oof
pearl horizon
Just mentioned because I think I saw talk about exe file earlier. Disregard then
thorn snow
@velvet rapids Btw, is that a public server?
velvet rapids
wdym public server?
thorn snow
does it have a public IP?
thorn snow
oh boy
pine vector
i mean...ip's aren't exactly hidden. its a range of numbers, in a specific format.
thorn snow
yeah
velvet rapids
I'm pretty inexperienced with servers and stuff
But yeah, I know to hide numbers 🤣 Especially if they .s
pine vector
well, if this server is public-facing, and you go about installing things without a solid foundation of understanding...things can happen. (not trying to be judgemental.)
thorn snow
such as for example trying to access RFC1918 addresses
velvet rapids
I've installed -
pip
chrome
chromedriver
selenium (via pip)
Good advice: If you are on a public facing server, with something like selenium, make sure no python script is trying to access private IP
pine vector
at the user level, or system?
thorn snow
that get's your server locked fast
velvet rapids
options.addArguments("--no-sandbox");
What does this do?
thorn snow
Browsers sandbox websites, so they cannot interact with the system or only via an abstraction layer
in a very limited manner
velvet rapids
ah okay
thorn snow
if this does what I think it does, I'd consider this an issue
but then I know jack about selenium
gentle moss
where the hell is kevin at
rough sapphire
haven't seen him after gf came over
gentle moss
did you have "chicken" for dinner?
also @velvet rapids i've had to enable that argument when using selenium in docker containers
solid pollen
Dang
gentle moss
:D
gentle moss
and, plot twist 3, we get another 5 months
wheat lynx
Wait but the newspaper says 2028
wheat lynx
God, I got so confused there. What is that picture from?
urban night
Hi
solid pollen
Pin pin, the pipenv spinner
I think watching pipenv locking for hours just burned my brain
velvet rapids
How can I convert something like 12:10 PM (string) into a datetime object?
And the date would be today
lime bison
@solid pollen yea, that literally sucks but I wonder is pipenv still in use?
I least heard they wasn't doing and releasing anything for a while because lack of contributor and interest
solid pollen
Yeah it is kind of not maintained now
But it is good for what it does
Even if it is pretty slow
lime bison
I see, @solid pollen.
thorn snow
The one thing that is weird is that it does not have a new command
but pipenv install does the same
it's just not intuitive
thorn snow
could use an alias tbh
solid pollen
Yep
Pipenv could use a lot of things actually
Haha
This is the main issue Latest commit 10b2a2 on Nov 9, 2019
solid pollen
It isn't updated anymore
The PyPi version is quite outdated too
It also means that there are no more security updates
thorn snow
Just tried to move my project to venv
tbh, nothing works
it installs an outdated pip which leads to me being unable to install Pillow
This is pretty much why I use pipenv
it just works
idk
sand goblet
to be fair you can pip install -U pip
silk hamlet
People say python isn't good at 3D graphics, but what about 2D graphics? (For games, something like cross code or old Zelda games)
chilly sinew
It depends a lot on the complexity
It's not explicitly bad at them, it's a case that it's too slow for them
In many cases atleast
So if you make a 2D game that's very simple then it'll be fine
silk hamlet
Well I don't want advanced 3d or 2d graphics.
chilly sinew
As soon as you start upping the computational requirements of your game (i.e. particle effects, larger worlds, and so on) it'll start slowing down significantly
silk hamlet
Even small particles could be a problem?
chilly sinew
It's not even "advanced" it's how computationally difficult they are
It's not about their size
Bigger particles will take just as long as small particles
It'll depend more on how many there are
And are they moving?
Interacting with each other?
silk hamlet
I meant small in their amount
chilly sinew
Ah
primal spruce
few* you mean
chilly sinew
I can't tell you how many particles python can handle lmao
silk hamlet
And no interaction at all
chilly sinew
I'm just telling you it won't be very many
and it depends on a lot on your implementation
primal spruce
i think it will handle just fine
if you find out on the contrary, then we can deal with that.
silk hamlet
Are there good games 2d or 3d made in python that worth a visit?
chilly sinew
Go check out pygame
I'm pretty sure their website is a panel of projects made with it
chilly sinew
silk hamlet
So a panel for games, I think there could be good games that they made a panel for it!
lime gazelle
@sand goblet I ate veggies today!! Peas with a slice of carpaccio
and a bit of pasta too
lime gazelle
Super good, the peas
not a fan of meat
Now I need to convince my father to make like..uuh...idk the name
it's literally translated as "salty cake"
sand goblet
try the Italian
lime gazelle
Torta salata
lime gazelle
it's a bad word? 
sand goblet
hey @gentle moss, you salty tart
lime gazelle
But yeah!! Although I'm told ricotta and spinach is super sweet 😡
pine vector
yeah, that's a good combo for sure.
sand goblet
spinach is hilarious to cook
lime gazelle
But, I guess, I can't judge without eating
sand goblet
because it wilts into fucking nothing
you put an entire bag into a pan and you have a handful at the end
rough sapphire
🥕
pine vector
Andrea, no lasagna before?
lime gazelle
Nope, I don't like them
pine vector
ahh. yeah, ricotta can be off-putting to some. same with cottage cheese.
pine vector
Panna is a ham? i think... 🤔
pine vector
or...that. lol
sand goblet
it's just the fatty part of the milk
rough sapphire
cream usually is sugary though 🤔
lime gazelle
Yeah
pine vector
milk solids ftw!
lime gazelle
also have you ever tasted whipped egg whites? yuck
rough sapphire
they make omelettes from those
pine vector
wha? meringue is yum yum!
sand goblet
love meringue
lime gazelle
that's solidified egg whites
sinful copper
you need sugar for meringue, not just whipped egg whites by themselves
sand goblet
but if you don't like it, you can use the liquid from a can of chickpeas
lime gazelle
I'm talking just whipped egg whites
rough sapphire
what do you do with the whipped egg whites
lime gazelle
anyway, today I was a yucky eater, I've eaten almost a quarter of pan di spagna with oranges
@rough sapphire sweets!
sand goblet
sponge cake, we call that
rough sapphire
like you drink them?
lime gazelle
No
You mix them with the yellows and flour and stuff
depending on what cake you want
rough sapphire
got it
🧁
we do this easter food in finland called "mämmi" which is made of rye. it basically looks like liquid poop.
sand goblet
that one does not translate
rough sapphire
the pictures tell the story
rough sapphire
sand goblet
literally Finnish Easter pudding
rough sapphire
the taste is sweet
lime gazelle
looks like chocolate
rough sapphire
it's made of grains
it's like super-thick beer or something. i don't even know how to describe it
pine vector
reminds me of no-bake cookies.
rough sapphire
but that's available once a year during easter.
lime gazelle
no bake cookies?
rough sapphire
😋
sand goblet
oh hey
gentle moss
so you don't need to bake them
sand goblet
you're here
gentle moss
i'm actually not
sand goblet
you're more british than me, how do you explain what a salty tart is to an italian?
pine vector
the salty tart arrives
gentle moss
a grumpy slapper?
lime gazelle
oh..
sand goblet
so calling something a salty tart is an amusing double-entendre
I do wonder what we'd actually call that, though
lime gazelle
English is weird.
sand goblet
oh yes, yes it is
lime gazelle
I thought I was pretty good, turns out I'm not lol
lime gazelle
Eh, there is so much I don't know how to describe
sand goblet
which is, admittedly, not a big list, but
rough sapphire
pine vector
Andrea, i can guarantee you can describe more in english than i can in italian. 😉
rough sapphire
"farcical aquatic ceremony" 😄 😄
primal spruce
your english is off the charts.
like, your english is so english it looks english look not english
rough sapphire
yeah your english is perfect. i haven't seen any errors myself.
given that i speak also native american english while being a finn.
lime gazelle
My speaking is rubbish, my vocabulary is still limited 
so I'm not comfortable saying "my English is good"
rough sapphire
it's good enough
rough sapphire
ohh lord
primal spruce
because it's the only phrase where i can basically say "ha, you got it wrong!"
lime gazelle
Isn't finn kinda similar to English in a way?
rough sapphire
@lime gazelle it's not similar to anything (except estonian/hungarian remotely)
lime gazelle
@rough sapphire hmm maybe I'm confusing it with something else
Like I know english and nordic languages have stuff in common
And german too
rough sapphire
that is true
lime gazelle
german or Deutsch?
rough sapphire
but we're the weird folks who don't have anything in common with anybody
linguistically
primal spruce
i mean, to be honest
english is kinda like 3 languages stolen and mashed together
and then it kept accumulating more crap from all over
rough sapphire
yeah english is weird.
lime gazelle
English is a language that used to have a writing system, then had to change it because Rome
So it doesn't really make sense, phonetically
primal spruce
reminds me of a really fun video on that
check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zWWp0akUU "what if english were phonetically consistent"
lime gazelle
I lost it at combinations
primal spruce
i still love it, such a great idea haha
rough sapphire
@primal spruce the finnish language actually has that.
primal spruce
Nice, being phonetically consistent is pretty nice
rough sapphire
but now it's time for little piggies like me to go to sleep 🐖 💤
primal spruce
gnite!
lime gazelle
nini!!
I LOVE pixel art, but not sprites
is that weird?
like, I like the buildings and cities and scenes you can make with it, but characters...like...
Idk.
grave phoenix
What was the name of that module that efficiently stores and operates over many numbers?
sand goblet
Then you want a datetime, not a date
velvet rapids
Yeah
sand goblet
datetime.datetime
velvet rapids
But I'm going to get a time like this - 11:15 AM
sand goblet
!d get datetime.datetime
royal lakeBOT
velvet rapids
And I want to get a datetime object with that time and date combined
sand goblet
You need to parse a human-readable time?
This is probably what you want https://dateparser.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
velvet rapids
I need to merge this - 11:25 AM and datetime.date into one datetime object
sand goblet
I mean, that shouldn't be too hard
just create a datetime object using the attributes of both
Take a look at that module though
velvet rapids
Okay, thanks
fervent dock
there's a datetime.combine function that takes a date and a time
can make it a little bit nicer sometimes
still have to parse the time though
vestal briar
I don't usually like this channel but damn have marvel messed up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2627xHSIDQ
I thought this was a troll video but apparently not
The fall of Marvel!
gentle moss
i'm fine with internet gas
i mean, getting powers from "experimental internet gas" is just as dumb sounding as being bitten by a radioactive spider
different dumbness for different generations
and shit it beats this origin story
Donyell Taylor is the product of a one-night stand between his unnamed mother and Daryl Taylor
"how'd you get your powers?"
"bitten by a radioactive spider. you?"
"my super rich dad boned some rando and i popped out."
Christopher Powell was born in Queens, New York. While witnessing his policeman father accept a bribe from a crime boss at an abandoned amusement park, teenager Chris Powell discovered a mysterious amulet. This amulet allowed him to switch places with a powerful android that his mind controlled. Powell vowed to use the amulet as "an edge against crime."
imagine that, just hanging out in an abandoned amusement park on your own
then a crime boss and your dad show up to do crime
but then what's this, an amulet
sand goblet
man I just caught up with this marvel bullshit
and holy crap
hoooly crap.
what a fucking trainwreck
we've gone from tokenising racial minorities and binary genders to tokenising non-binary people and pandering to meme culture
like imagine being non-binary, a group that has basically no representation, and being given a character called snowflake
sand goblet
they have announced a pair of characters
gentle moss
yeah i saw
sand goblet
called snowflake and safespace
one of them is a burly jock with the ability to bring up a big pink shield, but not the ability to be within his own shield
the other is.. nonbinary
that's their character trait
haha
why can't they represent these groups with actual characters, not one-dimensional caricatures
gentle moss
because the majority of marvel cartoon characters are a joke?
sand goblet
I mean, yeah, marvel has been garbage for a while now, but that wasn't always the case
sand goblet
yes, they had the occasional characters like that
but it wasn't the case that they all sucked
gentle moss
do they all suck or is it just this small run of new characters? :P
sand goblet
there's like six of them and they all suck
the entire series of whatever will suck too
but I doubt it's a small run with all the work they're putting in
It's mostly annoying because it's just shitty to the people in these groups though
gentle moss
as if the industry hasn't done this repeatedly to every other marginalised group
not defending it, just saying it's to be expected
sand goblet
I guess, but we didn't always have the platforms we have
It's not like they can't see the pushback
autumn herald
like imagine being non-binary, a group that has basically no representation, and being given a character called snowflake
who thought it was a good idea
gentle moss
the people who made "asbestos lady"
autumn herald
like there had been a meeting where they said, "we're gonne give money to this idea, and nothing can go wrong"
undone berry
I wonder if they actually consulted any non-binary people?
sand goblet
Well considering the pushback from that community, I doubt it
glacial owl
It's the Poe's law.
plucky ridge
Edgar Allen or
glacial owl
I bet there is a parody character made by some internet KKK wannabe called Snowflake
Like Princess Highground
gentle moss
poe's law is that without knowing authors intent you can't create a parody of batshit views that cannot be mistaken by some to be genuine
@plucky ridge
plucky ridge
Gooootcha
That's less exciting than what I thought
"A raven that can talk will only ever say one thing"
gentle moss
i mean one based on alan poe would be weirder
plucky ridge
Well it'd be a series of laws really
gentle moss
Love with a love that was more than love, even if she's your underage cousin
plucky ridge
I can hear the banjos now
tame terrace
unpopular opinion: poe's law is clumsily formulated
tame terrace
yours is fine I guess
gentle moss
tbh poe's law was extrapolated from a single sentence
lost radish
I just say, "it's all gone", so people leave me alone
gentle moss
Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.
plucky ridge
Unless it's on Saturday Night Live
lost radish
Isn't that kinda like saying, "Someone will think something of someone else at some point somewhere."?
plucky ridge
Where they beat the "THIS IS A PARODY" into you so hard you explode
gentle moss
oof, SNL's better when it's not doing parody / "satire"
gentle moss
hmmm