#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 368

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Hey

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I'm analyzing someone's code

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What does this mean?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:28 PM

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And I have to actively remember my audience.

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:28 PM

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for index in range(len(str1), 0, -1):

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How can you increment by -1?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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it decrements by 1

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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So the length of the string must be less than 0?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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!e

print(list(range(5, 0, -1)))

royal lakeBOT Mar 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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@terse sluice :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

[5, 4, 3, 2, 1]

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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no it must be greater than

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Can anyone run !e?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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how do you have strings which are shorter than 0? 🤔

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Anyone can in the #bot-commands channel

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Only staff and community partners can run it elsewhere

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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how do you have strings which are shorter than 0? 🤔
@rough sapphire Well I didn't know you could decrement until now, so something new

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Isn't !e dangerous? How does which channel matter?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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it's run in a sandbox

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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It's sectioned off in its own container

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Ah

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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It's pretty locked up. Me and another user tried to break it once.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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And the channel is more about keeping chat clutter down

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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We could not.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Multiple people have tried to break it

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Like

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A lot

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Why not help channels?

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!e

print(token)

royal lakeBOT Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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can I haz !e?

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Again, for clutter reasons. The people who have the command are ones we know will give solid advice; people we've vetted, essentially

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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There is a file that specifies what is seen as mounted.

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So... things that are on the system are just not accessible

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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~~hot~~

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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HAH

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Couldn't resist, sorry

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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can you vet me

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so I can use it

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I mean you can use it

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Just in #bot-commands

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Also #esoteric-python I think

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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yeah

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Rule1 of privs in online communities: dont ask for them.

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i can haz admin pl0x?

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🤷

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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!int e would be a nice permission to give me :)

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I don't mind people asking

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Nooooooo

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Dude, I'M hesitant to use it

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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whoops, ya broke something

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Watching Ves and the others use it with such control just amazes me. I'm always terrified I'm going to bust something

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"Oh well shit, there go all the roles"

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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what is it

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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It's the internal eval. THAT is the one that isn't safe

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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😅

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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It runs on the current bot process

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But only... I think admins have access to it?

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Maybe mods as well?

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Can't remember off hand

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Very tired

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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If you ran something that was too intense, it would just truncate it and stop.

wheat lynx Mar 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I'd guess not as they probably wouldn't need it

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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That was the other thing that stops use from really doing anything

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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True

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Yeah true

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I managed to open up a socket for... a fraction of a second

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Not even sure if it worked

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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it doesn't have internet connection

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

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The folks who put the box together were amazing, and Mark has improved it leaps and bounds

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Wait, does it not?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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from what i heard, nope

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Huh, interesting

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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one of the other admins or mark said it somewhere. i can't exactly remember

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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If I recall you can get exactly 500 lines of output.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Would make sense. The last bug that had to be fixed in it was related to files being kept after the command was done

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Possible that cutting the net connection is part of that

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I spent time trying to read out the files in the working dir before I realized they were all on github lol

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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HA

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Yeah we don't hide anything

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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(only admins have access to the internal commands, including eval)

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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I.... wait there are more internal commands?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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the only internal command i know is eval

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yeah what

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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indeed, it does not have internet

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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I'm not doing the help for it here

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Maybe, I don't remember

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I mean, it is public haha

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Yeah no internet

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Ah nope, just the internal eval

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At least currently

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I often see uppercase variables, does this signify something?

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Class names typically

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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It is a global constant

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Or do you mean all caps

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Oh wait

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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All caps

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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all caps are conventionally globals

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Yeah, constants

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Yeah, global constants

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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So does this disable changing them? or is it just like convention?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:39 PM

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me doing stupid things with int e

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plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Convention

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Ah thanks

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Now, an IDE like PyCharm might gripe at you if you try to change them, but functionally, they can still be changed

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Meh, your bot names aren't funny

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NsJail (the thing that run snekbox) is a very cool piece of software btw, I really like playing around with it

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The docs sucks sadly

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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i made that bot account a longgg time ago lmao. i haven't changed it

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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It's way over my head

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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yeah same

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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It isn't really that complicated

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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only thing i understand is the diagram on the readme

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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It is messing around with Linux internals a bit

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Okay, in fairness I haven't looked at it

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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You literally just specify which files are mounts and the rest you cant touch as far as i can tell

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Snekbox in itself is pretty simple

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Yeah but like

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Reading

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Yeah, the hard part is just a config file, which is pretty straightforward

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I really do wish I had more time to dedicate to here.

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Stupid tax season

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I only know this because i spent enough time trying to break it to realize that it cant be done.

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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i've heard you say that so many times 😂

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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lol

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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And you will for many days and years to come

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I was playing around with NsJail and put up some config template using a jinja like syntax, it was hard to read though haha

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I'll chisel it on my grave

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I even had the help of someone much better than me to try to do things i didnt think of and help me execute my ideas better

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It didnt happen

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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"TLS, died while trying to break snekbox, the snek bite them back"

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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haha it didnt take long to realize there was no where to go

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Only one person managed to break it so far

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Well in fairness, a good portion of learning is figuring out what doesn't work

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Really? how did they?>

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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And sometimes, even if you're told it doesn't, you still have to see it for yourself

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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It was just a misconfigured mount point

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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ahh

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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part of the filesystem was mounted not as read only

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I thought it's been broken twice

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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rip

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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The mount allowed write

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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The first having been quite a while ago

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Does every single character have a unicode form like this \u0a82?

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Maybe, I wasn't here at the time then

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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That was what homeboy I was working on it with was trying to do

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Was mount something with write.

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:45 PM

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i've only been here like ~~3 months~~ 5 months now.. time goes fast

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Yeah, that got patched recently. @velvet rapids Any string character, yeah

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By recently I mean like

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A few months ago

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:45 PM

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What got patched?

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Oh sorry, not for your thing

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More about snekbox

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Oh, alright

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So would something like this have a unicode?

𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓸
Ｈｅｌｌｏ
ollǝH

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:46 PM

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!charinfo 𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓸

royal lakeBOT Mar 17, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Character Info

\U0001d4d7: MATHEMATICAL BOLD SCRIPT CAPITAL H - 𝓗
\U0001d4ee: MATHEMATICAL BOLD SCRIPT SMALL E - 𝓮
\U0001d4f5: MATHEMATICAL BOLD SCRIPT SMALL L - 𝓵
\U0001d4f5: MATHEMATICAL BOLD SCRIPT SMALL L - 𝓵
\U0001d4f8: MATHEMATICAL BOLD SCRIPT SMALL O - 𝓸

Raw

\U0001d4d7\U0001d4ee\U0001d4f5\U0001d4f5\U0001d4f8

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Yep yep

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Wow

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Is that bot opensource?

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:46 PM

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It is indeed.

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/bot

GitHub

python-discord/bot

Source code for our Discord bot. Contribute to python-discord/bot development by creating an account on GitHub.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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And I think Ak- yep there it is

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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I typed this url way too much

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Knew I didn't have to snag the link

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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I'm going through someone else's code and I'm trying to understand stuff lemon_glass

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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That's a good exercise

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Going through code I wrote last year trying to understand stuff lemon_glass

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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It's way too advanced for me 🤣

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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@rough sapphire That hits too close to home for me

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Is there anyway I can get to know which cog that command is in? 🤣

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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You know I'm not actually sure which one it's in

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One sec

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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yeah sometimes I'll be like, "Damn who is this and how is he so much smarter than me"

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Is there no command for that?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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But if I study it, it will come back

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Ah, it's in the utils cog

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Aight thanjs

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/master/bot/cogs/utils.py#L116

GitHub

python-discord/bot

Source code for our Discord bot. Contribute to python-discord/bot development by creating an account on GitHub.

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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yeah just search the github repo for the command name

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I keep forgetting that's a thing

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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but anyway if you just want ot know how to get the information in python, the unicodedata module is it

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I like the thrill of the hunt

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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What does this do?

return [char]

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char is a one letter string

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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returns the string in a list

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Pretty self-explanatory

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Thanks 🙂

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Which can be really helpful for putting lists together

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Return a list made out of one element, char

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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>>> import unicodedata
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>>> def charinfo(s):
...     for c in s:
...         print(hex(ord(c)), unicodedata.name(c))
...
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>>> charinfo('blah')
0x62 LATIN SMALL LETTER B
0x6c LATIN SMALL LETTER L
0x61 LATIN SMALL LETTER A
0x68 LATIN SMALL LETTER H

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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oh nice

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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That's cool

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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the formatting is a little fancier in the bot, but that's basically all you need

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I can't read "char" without thinking about a pirate saying it

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Can someone help me analyze this code, I'm stuck at a line. It's probably really easy for you guys

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Toss the line in here

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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go ahead and paste it

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Your mind is weirdly wired hemlock lemon_pleased

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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https://github.com/woodgern/confusables/blob/master/confusables/__init__.py

GitHub

woodgern/confusables

A python package providing functionality for matching words using different characters but appearing to be a similar/the same word. - woodgern/confusables

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Line 37

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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char is this guy

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plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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https://tenor.com/wNn8.gif Also this guy

Tenor

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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charmanderrrr

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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@solid pollen If there is a joke, my brain will try to find it

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For better or for worse

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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which line @velvet rapids

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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    if mapped_chars:
        return mapped_chars  # Returns unicode of character
    if len(char) <= 1:
        return [char]
    return None

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Haha

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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it doesn't us an elif

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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every gundam has a guy who looks like that but char is the original

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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and char must be one

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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It doesn't technically need one

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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there's no need because return exits the function

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Yeah

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So why is there a second if?

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Especially because

confusable_characters(str1[0])

is passed

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So it has to be 1 character

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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if mapped_chars is false

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in this case None because of this line mapped_chars = CONFUSABLE_MAP.get(char)

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:55 PM

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So return None should never run

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I don't know what I'm doing

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:56 PM

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No you raise a good question. Any question is good if you learn something from it

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You don't have to worry about asking stuff here

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That is kind of confusing to me

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Ah no wait

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 7:57 PM

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the return None runs in this test case https://github.com/woodgern/confusables/blob/a95a908d0b1dcf3c6d2317fc3749fa081a3faa4c/tests/confusables/test_confusables.py#L43

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return None is also useless because it's at the end of the function and it would automatically return None without it anyway

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Ah

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Yeah it's redundant

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 8:11 PM

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What does this mean? If the colon is at the end?

str1 = str1[length1:]

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 8:11 PM

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It's a slice starting at length1, ending at the end

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Ah, thanks

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How does this work?
https://github.com/woodgern/confusables/blob/master/confusables/__init__.py

I don't get how is_confusable is supposed to achieve this -

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📎 unknown.png

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Any ideas?

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Looks like it transforms the strings into ascii and then checks wether they are equal.

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 8:29 PM

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It checks only the first character though

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Does it?

velvet rapids Mar 17, 2020, 8:32 PM

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brainmon

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Is there a json that has every single possible unicode thing or something?

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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https://raw.githubusercontent.com/woodgern/confusables/master/confusables/assets/confusable_mapping.json

marble sentinel Mar 17, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Hello, I'm new here. Thought I'd check back during a more high traffic (for this server) time of day and say hey.

fervent dock Mar 17, 2020, 11:08 PM

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hey welcome 👋

marble sentinel Mar 17, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Anything I should know about this server that isn't obvious? Like events/day to day stuff.

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 11:21 PM

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the only thing that matters is that I do jackbox on saturdays :>

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Everything important can be found in #welcome

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 11:23 PM

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#welcome has some overall info to read.

we host some events year-round and one of the most prominent ones are our code jams. here is info about our latest one from a few months ago https://pythondiscord.com/pages/code-jams/code-jam-6/

all of our projects are open source, such as @royal lake , @median dome , and our website. https://pythondiscord.com/ or https://github.com/python-discord/

you can find @royal lake commands using !help in #bot-commands and @median dome commands using .help in #sir-lancebot-playground

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i think i covered a lot of it

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 11:23 PM

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But really jackbox though

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:3

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A lot of great stuff happens here though, in all seriousness

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 11:24 PM

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i wish i could join the jackboxes :( i'm busy every saturday during it

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 11:25 PM

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That's a shame, but it happens

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I wonder if someone will run something similar at a different time someday

pine vector Mar 17, 2020, 11:27 PM

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i've been missing so many lately... 😦

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not even on the leaderboard for 2020.

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 11:34 PM

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That's okay, I'm sure you'll find time eventually

celest tide Mar 17, 2020, 11:55 PM

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what's a jackbox

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 11:56 PM

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It's a party game.

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A pretty decent collection of them.

marble sentinel Mar 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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I haven't played jackbox in years it feels like, it might be about time I try it out again

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 11:59 PM

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We'll see what happens on saturday

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thanks to covid-19, my ISP is very obviously suffering from capacity issues

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if this keeps up I probably won't be able to do the stream

celest tide Mar 18, 2020, 12:00 AM

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@stark prawn oh ok - also - which font do you like? I noticed the above comments

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i've never really bothered with fonts

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just used what I'm given

marble sentinel Mar 18, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I would hope that you'd be able to, sounds like a fun time :B

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The little ISP where I live serves like 3/4 of the population of my town, but the infrastructure is just... insufficient for even that

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So we get a lot of weekend network congestion

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Anyone uses pycharm? I need a shortcut

marble sentinel Mar 18, 2020, 12:07 AM

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@velvet rapids I have before, maybe I can help

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 12:07 AM

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When PEP8 highlights errors/stuff that can be changed

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Whats the shortcut to fix it?

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It says function call can be replaced with set literal. I have no idea what a set literal is, so I'd prefer if Pycharm did it to me.. but I forgot the shortcut

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sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 12:08 AM

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alt+enter gets you the actions menu at least

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a set literal is { "" } in this case

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Ah thanks 🙂

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Also, asking again -
Is making a pull request, with only PEP8 convention changes pointless/senseless/annoying?

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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it sure is

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annoying, I mean

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not all projects follow it

marble sentinel Mar 18, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I would imagine a lot of open source projects don't

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Yeah, I meant, I've got someone elses code and there are some small PEP8 changes to be made, should I make a PR after fixing them?

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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ask them

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they probably don't want it though

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

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good idea

marble sentinel Mar 18, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Sounds like a good way to approach it

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Won't know how they feel about it unless you ask

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Need to get in contact with them GWbowsuBlobThinkOwO

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Does anyone know any datasets with like the same text written in different ways? Like this - ['ċ', 'ᴄ', '𝔠', '𝒄', '𝗰', '𝗖']

marble sentinel Mar 18, 2020, 12:18 AM

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I would imagine you could make one based off a section of the unicode table site

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In case you need a link: https://unicode-table.com/en/

Unicode® Character Table

Unicode character search web service. Find, copy and paste your favorite characters: 😎 Emoji, ❤ Hearts, 💲 Currencies, → Arrows, ★ Stars and more 🚩

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Could someone suggest a small python library? Searching for opensource projects to contribute to

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 2:08 AM

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i've been working on my own little library and it's open source if you're interested https://github.com/Den4200/pyfrost/
there's also the pydis projects which are all open source https://pythondiscord.com

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@velvet rapids

glacial owl Mar 18, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Damn, the HR said yesterday that she'll try to send test task by the end of the day.

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They'll probably send it today, but i feel like sitting near the kettle and waiting it to boil.

solid pollen Mar 18, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Finally
https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/1237087864661237760?s=20

Discord (@discordapp)

Discord now has a feature

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wooden silo Mar 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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There's gotta be a first time for everything.

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 10:11 AM

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django is great but the way you have to define constraints is.. eh..

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I'm hoping that this results in a constraint where either owner_user or owner_group must not be null

solid pollen Mar 18, 2020, 10:13 AM

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You're.. Hoping?

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 10:14 AM

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it's not a very readable api

solid pollen Mar 18, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Even the source isn't readable?

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 10:15 AM

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it's not very well documented

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that's the entirety of the documentation for Q objects

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F objects seem entirely unrelated

silk hamlet Mar 18, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Hate bad documations

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I think sometimes YouTube videos work better

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Maybe check there to find what is q object

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 10:16 AM

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and this is the entirety of the documentation for CheckConstraint

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I found a stackoverflow answer that says what I'm doing is correct

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but it's stackoverflow, so the question is for django 1.8

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not 3.0

silk hamlet Mar 18, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Ask it yourself?

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Nah, it'll be marked as a duplicate of the question I already found

silk hamlet Mar 18, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Can't report it for being too old?

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 10:18 AM

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that's not the SO Way ™️

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I think maybe I'm just going to make groups optional and always require an author

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so I can avoid this silly constraint

gusty oar Mar 18, 2020, 11:43 AM

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hey gdude , if you were giving advice about java

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what would it be

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i'm learning concepts

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 11:45 AM

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That question is a bit too open ended

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Perhaps, learn modern java, not java 6

gusty oar Mar 18, 2020, 11:46 AM

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😄 for example

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i'm new to OOP

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and i'm having hard times

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how can i ease learning of oop

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concepts and thinking way

wooden silo Mar 18, 2020, 12:33 PM

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There's a lot of material online, but perhaps you would benefit from reading a book about it.

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Also, put what you read into practice.

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Work on projects that use OOP.

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Thanks @terse sluice I'll check it out

wind karma Mar 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

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My phone is erroring out

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plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Well played

wind karma Mar 18, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Haha

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🙂

plain slate Mar 18, 2020, 3:16 PM

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does the request library block?

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yes, use aiohttp instead

plain slate Mar 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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okay, i've been using requests in a background thread because i noticed marginally higher latencies when i ran in my main thread. just now pieced it together

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 3:18 PM

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wait, you're talking request blocking other asynchronous code right?

plain slate Mar 18, 2020, 3:47 PM

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yes

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Anyone interested in trying out a crypto challenge sorta thing?

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clue1: steganography

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undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Do you have the answer, or is this a challenge you're completing?

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I made the challenge

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It's for my server, but why not allow other's to try

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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no matter how much database work I do, I always have trouble telling the different types of relationships apart

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Platonic, romantic....

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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as in cardinalities? 1-1, m-1 etc?

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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No, like many-to-one, etc

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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yeah, thats what I meant

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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let's say I have a table, Book, and it can have any number of Pages related to it, but each Page can only belong to one Book

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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thats the one case where I find diagrams useful

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I can visualise the diagram

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but I'm not sure if it's one-to-many or many-to-one

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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One book has many pages

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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but many pages have one book

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or does it only matter what side I'm working on?

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:36 PM

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any thing thats 1-m can be looked at as m-1 from the other direction

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:36 PM

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oh, just realised django only has m-1, and not 1-m

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oh, no, it just calls it something else

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okay, I think I see, thanks

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has to be defined as m-1 on the Page

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books/pages isn't what I'm actually working with, but

rough sapphire Mar 18, 2020, 6:43 PM

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somebody please tell me this is from the onion: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/17/myanmar-denials-define-covid-19-response

Human Rights Watch

Myanmar Denials Define COVID-19 Response

In a world beset by the coronavirus pandemic, denial is becoming an increasingly rare commodity – but don’t tell that to Myanmar’s government, which still claims there are no cases of COVID-19 in the country.

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:45 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/coronavirus-southeast-asia.html

The New York Times

By Richard C. Paddock

Having Brushed Off Coronavirus Threat, Southeast Asia Begins to Con...

The delay in containment efforts could prove dangerous, particularly in nations where the health care system can’t handle a major outbreak.

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seems that it isn't, yep

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Other countries remain in denial about the dangers of the virus. The chief spokesman for the Myanmar government said on Friday that the absence of positive tests was proof that the virus has not reached Myanmar.

“Covid-19 is still not present in Myanmar,” the spokesman, U Zaw Htay, told reporters. “The lifestyle and diet of Myanmar citizens are beneficial against the coronavirus.”

rough sapphire Mar 18, 2020, 6:45 PM

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"He added that because Myanmar citizens generally paid for purchases with cash instead of credit cards, they were unlikely to spread the virus."

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what...

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:45 PM

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“Myanmar is still lucky because it’s a Buddhist country and senior monks are always praying to be safe,” said Dr. Win Thandar Phyu, the chief of North Okkalapa General Hospital in Yangon.

Some Buddhist figures have been promoting nonmedical remedies. One famous monk said that eating a lime and three palm seeds would keep the virus away. Another monk recommended seven ground peppercorns.

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jeez.

rough sapphire Mar 18, 2020, 6:46 PM

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christ

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I mean "oh buddha"

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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image: Myanmar

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rough sapphire Mar 18, 2020, 6:48 PM

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yeah those guys can stay in myanmar.

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:48 PM

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yup

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 6:49 PM

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gcses cancelled :(

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Have they said anything for what the contingencies are? I assume you aren't just delayed in life by a year

sand goblet Mar 18, 2020, 6:51 PM

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https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/291284109232308226/689894311873347589

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online work by the looks of it

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no exams though

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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im worried that our predicted grades might get used instead of gcse grades

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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That would be bad

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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a lot of my friends would be happy with that, but not me

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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That would have fucked me over were it the case

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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my predicted for computer science and physics is good, but i'm not sure about maths

wheat lynx Mar 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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My brother was meant to be doing A-Levels this year but his predicted and mocks were 4 A* so he's pretty happy.

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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and i've been working really hard for maths

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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It would be terrible to use predicted for A-Levels

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So much of it is dependant on whether the teachers like you or not

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 6:55 PM

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hopefully i get predicted a 6 at least

wheat lynx Mar 18, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Do you think they will base it off predicted? I'm not sure what the alternatives are tbh

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 6:56 PM

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they could delay the exams for a few months

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 6:58 PM

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I guess they could use predicted for getting into FE, thats reasonable. But using predicted grades for A-Levels would be terrible

wheat lynx Mar 18, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I wonder if universities will accept new students this year, I guess they would have to but I wonder what would happen to conditional offers

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Universities would have to - it would completely fuck them moneywise if they didn't

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I don't think most unis would have much of a problem letting people in just based on predicted grades - its just much much worse for a lot of people who are going to beat their predicted grades, and pretty unfair to let people like your brother in without having actually sat the exams (for good unis that is)

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 7:06 PM

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what sucks is that in my mock exams a lot of people found the papers we were going to do and then got high grades. i could have cheated but didn't and got shit ones

wheat lynx Mar 18, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Yeah its a real mess

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I don't know what they're gonna do

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I'd imagine predicted grades is the only option

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but it definitely sucks

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 7:08 PM

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The maths department are aware that a lot of people cheated in the mock so they're most likely going to take that into consideration for predicted grades

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 7:09 PM

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If I was a teacher, I'd be handing out predicted 7s/8s/9s like candy

robust sierra Mar 18, 2020, 7:09 PM

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i'd lick my teacher's shoe for a 6

wheat lynx Mar 18, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Are there any checks for fairness of grades given. I guess you could argue that you are just an amazing teacher and give high grades

undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 7:11 PM

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iirc, for stuff that matters a bunch of teachers get together and discuss it - and make sure that the distribution of grades makes some degree of sense

frosty berry Mar 18, 2020, 7:14 PM

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@robust sierra https://twitter.com/lebnenex/status/1239615991501541377

تيا (@lebnenex)

A good day to my professor only

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undone berry Mar 18, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I don't really think that would fly for something thats normally standardised across the country like GCSEs or A-Levels

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 7:18 PM

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what

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lucky

primal spruce Mar 18, 2020, 7:25 PM

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nice prof

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:37 PM

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What's something a developer would like as a prize for a challenge or something? Preferably free because I'm broke

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I mean... if it's free then the person could get it anyway, right?

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Exactly, why I'm asking you 🤣

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 7:39 PM

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i'm guessing this is for your discord server.. so maybe a cool role

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I'm making a dev server, it's really small. I want to promote events and stuff like that, but people participate only if there is a prize.

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 7:40 PM

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and if you have multiple events, maybe make a leaderboard

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:40 PM

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That's what I'm currently doing, but need to add stuff so these roles have special perks

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 7:41 PM

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besides that there isn't really much else i'd think

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:41 PM

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What are some things I can add to my bot that people would want and participate for, then?

graceful basin Mar 18, 2020, 7:42 PM

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a fancy role

silk hamlet Mar 18, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Doing a challenge and complete it perfect makes programmer feel winner even without getting any prize, still may not work on veterans

graceful basin Mar 18, 2020, 7:42 PM

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people will do a lot for colorful names

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Doing a challenge and complete it perfect makes programmer feel winner even without getting any prize, still may not work on veterans
"I'm not getting anything out of it, I'm only wasting my time"

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I mean...

silk hamlet Mar 18, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Heh that's what veterans think

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 7:43 PM

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A lot of us do Advent of Code for the fun of it

graceful basin Mar 18, 2020, 7:43 PM

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ye, make your challenges interesting

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and people will come

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I know I personally code because I love the puzzle solving aspect of it

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I like to see how the gears move together

silk hamlet Mar 18, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Leaderboard idea is great it makes people think "yeah if I was at top..." Then they try to reach top cause they feel strong

graceful basin Mar 18, 2020, 7:45 PM

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yeah, bragging rights are a good, free way to get people to do things

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:45 PM

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🤣 I'll try some of these, and also add some additional perks

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What are some staff perks you get with @royal lake

silk hamlet Mar 18, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Having a channel for showcasing challengers and maybe they could put a quote there, and giving top 3 fancy role

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 7:46 PM

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I mean it's not really about perks here

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 7:46 PM

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none

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 7:46 PM

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It's not that kind of server

terse sluice Mar 18, 2020, 7:46 PM

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it's bragging rights!

hidden imp Mar 18, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Using !e in help channels >:(

plucky ridge Mar 18, 2020, 7:46 PM

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I suppose

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That's the only one I can think of regarding bot functionality

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Anything else is like staff channels that we use for communication on policies

velvet rapids Mar 18, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Alright, thanks for all the ideas! 🙂

lost radish Mar 19, 2020, 2:54 AM

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The first time the walrus operator has actually been useful rather than fun

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for me anyway

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well. it still doesnt count. forget I even mentioned it rofl

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Eh, it's hard to even say. I'll just call it Walrus Operator: 1 | Not Walrus Operator: Walrus Operator - 1

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oh well nvm it didnt give me my elements :P

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 2:59 AM

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The first time the walrus operator has actually been useful rather than fun
@lost radish I actually found out this is the case with the walrus recently

lost radish Mar 19, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I didn't realize that I was appending True values until I said something about it to everybody first lol

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while (stuff := input('>>> ')) != 'stop':
    d.append(stuff)```
Okay, it's useful_ish_ again. :P

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What was your experience?@wind karma

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:12 AM

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I liked it, but the case was rather super specific

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I am not sure I will use it again

lost radish Mar 19, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I tend to only use it in one-offs for one major reason: compatibility

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That doesn't feel like a valid reason.

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It's not. I just don't like using it. There. You dragged it outta me.

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Like I am sure as time passes by and I start doing even more complicated shit

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the walrus operator will be useful in some cases

scarlet bane Mar 19, 2020, 3:30 AM

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lol i forgot the walrus operator was a thing completely

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 8:32 AM

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The warlus by definition does thing that could have been done in two lines, so it doesn’t really allow new posibilities, it is just a syntax sugar

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 9:09 AM

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^

fervent dock Mar 19, 2020, 9:18 AM

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you can say that about python

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 9:48 AM

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somehow managed to open spotify's devtools by accident

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https://i.imgur.com/WaVsz8j.png

Imgur

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dunno how to replicate

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 9:49 AM

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do

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ctrl + j + i

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You can also open discord's dev tools

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 9:49 AM

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well, yes, discord hasn't disabled dev tools

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also, it's ctrl-shift-i

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but that's not opening it

gentle moss Mar 19, 2020, 9:53 AM

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hack all the music

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 9:54 AM

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oh wait right

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control shit i

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I actually just did it

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and I typed j instead of shift

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 9:54 AM

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ctrl shit i

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 9:55 AM

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You can actually yoink profile pictures with the dev tools

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Haha

vapid bluff Mar 19, 2020, 10:02 AM

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does firefox randomly just take ages to load a page for anyone else?

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got 5 tabs open

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same page loads in chrome instantly

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:04 AM

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works on my machine

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Question:
What's the most awesome library in Python that you've used?

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||ping me with answer||

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Stdlib or not? @rough sapphire

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 10:44 AM

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They posted it in all three channels haha

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Already been answered in ot0

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Ah

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Don't do that then haha

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Stdlin

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Im getting comments

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Not hates

gentle moss Mar 19, 2020, 10:44 AM

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yeah, but don't spam

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Yeah it's pretty easy to not try to monopolise three channels

gentle moss Mar 19, 2020, 10:45 AM

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you would've got the comments if you just posted it in ot0 as well you know. :D

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:45 AM

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yeah, but don't spam
@gentle moss did u know what I've just said?

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Hmmm

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suggest you drop the attitude dog

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Hmm

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 10:45 AM

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This attitude is really not productive, imma go back to my yt video

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Hahaha

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"Coronavirus cannot legally enter your body without permission"

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:46 AM

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suggest you drop the attitude dog
@rough sapphire us *

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Same energy as your comments

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 10:46 AM

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I mean

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Sure it is illegal

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Haha

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:46 AM

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what part of that sentence could be replaced with "us"

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what

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that doesn't even make any sense

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Yes, the statement is ridiculous

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That's the point

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:47 AM

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lemon_glass

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 10:47 AM

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No, I don't authorize him to do so lemon_grumpy

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Yeah, I don't authorize your attitude either Blazice

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So I think I'll just ignore your attempts to push back against a very reasonable rule

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 10:50 AM

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Nice needy talkin

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Yep, I'm pretty good at pushing spam far enough up the scrollback that nobody will see it

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 1:34 PM

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man, vue router is so easy

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where was this all my life

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Github love open source, but not enough to make their own mobile app open source apparently >.>

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 1:47 PM

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github itself isn't open source either

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 1:48 PM

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I can maybe understand that

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But the mobile app

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It is just a visual interface around their api

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There are no security concerns here

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 2:50 PM

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the ui of the github app is soooo nice

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 3:00 PM

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I don't really like it

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It's a huge pain to navigate

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They should have done what most other apps do and had a top left menu burger with slide out menu

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Because of that you have to hit back a million times to move around

fossil solar Mar 19, 2020, 3:08 PM

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is it called openhub for github?

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:09 PM

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just github

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and i either jsut use the home button on the bottom bar or swipe back so it’s pretty easy for me to navigate

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:13 PM

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What does this mean? lemon_thinking

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:14 PM

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what’s in the Makefile?

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:14 PM

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the parse.py?

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:16 PM

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is there no makefile? there needs to be one for make to work

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:17 PM

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So I made a pull request, and the person said this

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So I downloaded make via chocolatey in Powershell and then ran make parse

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I got an error saying no parse.py file found, but I remembered there was one, so I cded one director down and ran it where the parse.py was and I got that thing

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 3:19 PM

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repo link? like f1re mentions, there needs to be a Makefile with the target of parse.

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Original - https://github.com/woodgern/confusables
My PR - https://github.com/TrustedMercury/confusables

GitHub

woodgern/confusables

A python package providing functionality for matching words using different characters but appearing to be a similar/the same word. - woodgern/confusables

GitHub

TrustedMercury/confusables

A python package providing functionality for matching words using different characters but appearing to be a similar/the same word. - TrustedMercury/confusables

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:20 PM

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there it is

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go to the root directory of the repo and run that command

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 3:20 PM

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yep. need to be in... this that. 😄

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Oh the make file

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Oh, it can't find the file GWinfxThink

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:22 PM

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that path there is for linux

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and max

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c*

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Oh, how do I change it to windows? and then back?

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Wait can I just run the parse.py and it'll work? instead of using make

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:23 PM

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yeah that would be fine. make is just to make things easier

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:23 PM

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So I just do python3 parse.py?

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:24 PM

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python3 confusables/parse.py

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I just moved into confusables

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:24 PM

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what you said should work then

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:25 PM

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oof

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terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:26 PM

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that’s an issue with the code.. i’m not sure on that one

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 3:26 PM

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it uses harcoded file paths (all POSIX), and os.path. can't remember if os adjusts for windows...

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:27 PM

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does it need to be .config?

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That's what it is in __init__.py

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:27 PM

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i think python deals with posix paths for windows

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are you still awake kiwi lol

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:28 PM

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you should decode the unicode_mappings in utf-8

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are you still awake kiwi lol
@terse sluice no sleep

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:28 PM

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__init__.py -

from .config import CONFUSABLE_MAPPING_PATH, NON_NORMAL_ASCII_CHARS

parse.py

from config import CUSTOM_CONFUSABLE_PATH, CONFUSABLES_PATH, CONFUSABLE_MAPPING_PATH, MAX_SIMILARITY_DEPTH

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:28 PM

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i’ve gotten a whole nights rest and you’re still awake lmao

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 3:28 PM

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try running from the root directory

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:29 PM

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I am doing maths

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rn

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📎 unknown.png

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Same error

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:30 PM

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ah integrals

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:30 PM

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just revisiting some old shit

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:30 PM

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you should decode the unicode_mappings in utf-8
try what kiwi said

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:31 PM

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I want to get a better understanding at integrals + imaginary numbers

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@velvet rapids did u try it?

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Yeah, same error

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:31 PM

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sendcode

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:31 PM

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https://github.com/TrustedMercury/confusables

GitHub

TrustedMercury/confusables

A python package providing functionality for matching words using different characters but appearing to be a similar/the same word. - TrustedMercury/confusables

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:32 PM

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send the codeblock her

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here

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:32 PM

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The whole file?

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:33 PM

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!d open

royal lakeBOT Mar 19, 2020, 3:33 PM

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`open`

open(file, mode='r', buffering=-1, encoding=None, errors=None, newline=None, closefd=True, opener=None)```
Open *file* and return a corresponding [file object](../glossary.html#term-file-object). If the file cannot be opened, an [`OSError`](exceptions.html#OSError "OSError") is raised.

*file* is a [path-like object](../glossary.html#term-path-like-object) giving the pathname (absolute or relative to the current working directory) of the file to be opened or an integer file descriptor of the file to be wrapped. (If a file descriptor is given, it is closed when the returned I/O object is closed, unless *closefd* is set to `False`.)... [read more](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#open)

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:33 PM

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the codeblock

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:33 PM

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you set encoding='utf-8' for everytime a file is open?

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:33 PM

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which errors out

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Ohh

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:34 PM

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You shouldn’t set the encoding and let python figure it out

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:34 PM

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actually u cant open it

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with utf-8

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you need to decode it in utf8

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:34 PM

#

parse_new_mapping_file()

def parse_new_mapping_file():
    unicode_confusable_map = {}

    with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CONFUSABLES_PATH), "r") as unicode_mappings:
        with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CUSTOM_CONFUSABLE_PATH), "r") as custom_mappings:
            mappings = unicode_mappings.readlines()
            mappings.extend(custom_mappings)

            for mapping_line in mappings:
                if not mapping_line.strip() or mapping_line[0] == '#' or mapping_line[1] == '#':
                    continue

                mapping = mapping_line.split(";")[:2]
                str1 = chr(int(mapping[0].strip(), 16))
                mapping[1] = mapping[1].strip().split(" ")
                mapping[1] = [chr(int(x, 16)) for x in mapping[1]]
                str2 = "".join(mapping[1])

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:34 PM

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do

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:34 PM

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That's not the whole function, I couldnt paste it > 2000

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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mappings = unicode_mappings.readlines().decode('utf-8')

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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hey

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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That is some very dense code here hehe

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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can monkey grow beards?

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@solid pollen

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I... don’t think they can

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Try doing what I sent

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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REally?

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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@velvet rapids

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I think monkeys can grow beards

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Pycharm says, Unresolved attribute reference 'decode' for list

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

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sorry mb

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

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readlines returns a list

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

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This is a realy picture of the beard

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Real picture

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

#

mappings = unicode_mappings.decode('utf-8').readlines()

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

#

📎 8d72fda7c9be9695e6140b005e311311.png

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

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But you shouldn’t decode it, since you don’t open it in binary mode

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

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What does Binary mode mean

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:36 PM

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PyCharm still says the same thing

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But it says for class TextIO

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📎 unknown.png

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:37 PM

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try

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running it

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:37 PM

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okay

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Binary mode will return raw byte in a bytearray object instead of trying to put them in a string

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:37 PM

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oop

📎 unknown.png

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:37 PM

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the same issue occurs with readme files during package installation because the readme was created over on linux, so it's automatically encoded in utf-8. on windows, it doesn't use utf-8 so you get a decoding error

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:37 PM

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hmm

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:38 PM

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you need a list comp

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internet please work faster

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:38 PM

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open it in binary

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:38 PM

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how?

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:38 PM

#

rb instead of r

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:39 PM

#

    with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CONFUSABLES_PATH), "r") as unicode_mappings:
        with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CUSTOM_CONFUSABLE_PATH), "r") as custom_mappings:

In the first open or the second?

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I guess you could insert mapping_line = mapping_line.decode('utf-8' at the beginning of your loop

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But it doesn’t seem like a very good solution

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:39 PM

#

    with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CONFUSABLES_PATH), "rb") as unicode_mappings:
        with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CUSTOM_CONFUSABLE_PATH), "r") as custom_mappings:```

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and remove the decode

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:40 PM

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📎 unknown.png

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

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did u open it with utf encoding

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fck im confused

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i am trying to understand

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

#

    with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CONFUSABLES_PATH), "rb") as unicode_mappings:
        with open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), CUSTOM_CONFUSABLE_PATH), "r") as custom_mappings:
            mappings = unicode_mappings.readlines()
            mappings.extend(custom_mappings)

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

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what are you trying to do

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

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It's not my code 🤣

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

#

whilst doing integrals

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I just PRed and they asked me to run make parse

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Atleast thats what I think they asked me to do

📎 unknown.png

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:41 PM

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f1re can help you

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he is good I am sure 😂

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

#

uhhhhhhh

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Well, did you ran it?

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/690223233831927899

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Is it an OS problem? I can just reply to the request

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

#

yes

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Yep

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

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the setup.py lies:

classifiers=[
        "Programming Language :: Python :: 3",
        "License :: OSI Approved :: MIT License",
        "Operating System :: OS Independent",
    ],

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

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You should have some windows instructions spmewhere

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:42 PM

#

what is his error?

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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decoding error

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linux encodes differently than windows

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

#

can you send the stacktrace

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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But your git seems missconfigured

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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i didnt see

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from the start

velvet rapids Mar 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I have no idea what you mean

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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It should be checked out with Windows encoding

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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the error screen

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off-topic btw

#

lets go to a help channel

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:21 PM

#

well that's an amusing spam email I got that somehow bypassed my spam filter

📎 unknown.png

#

note: no files attached, image links to a diagram sharing site instead of a PDF, said diagram links to.. somewhere.. but the link isn't previewable

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wonder if they're trying to take advantage of the coronavirus

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:22 PM

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"this is not for you, but please open it to make sure there are no vira"

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lmao

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:23 PM

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it's a disclaimer used to try to fend off people suing them over the obvious spam email

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:24 PM

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you think? i view it as bait

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:24 PM

#

I mean you probably wouldn't be able to track them down anyway

#

but if you did manage to, having downloaded their virus

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they would lean on it

#

wouldn't be the first people to try that

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:24 PM

#

i got this

📎 unknown.png

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that's all

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:25 PM

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those are pretty normal spam emails haha

#

they're fishing for accounts

#

if you reply, they know the account is active

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:26 PM

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it bypassed my spam filter though

#

i once got a spam mail (probably I'd won something) and it asked all kinds of information of me, including my fax

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:28 PM

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fax? lol

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 5:29 PM

#

btw yes, scammers are heavily abusing coronavirus

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:29 PM

#

everyone is actually

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 5:29 PM

#

we've seen, like, four different campaigns in estonia trying to use the coronavirus as scambait

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Huh, I see

#

interesting

#

sucky, but interesting

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:30 PM

#

i know someone who collects donations for charity, they apparently get a lot from it too

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:31 PM

#

I did it @terse sluice, 48 hours without sleep

#

I think I can pull off one more day

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:32 PM

#

uhm, grats? 🏆

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 5:32 PM

#

this isn’t healthy

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:32 PM

#

Hmm

#

You might be correct

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 5:32 PM

#

just might be

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:32 PM

#

I will sleep tonight then

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 5:33 PM

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i think you should

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

Oki

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

are you still not tired?

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

Not at all

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

i’m like genuinely concerned lol 48 hours w/o sleeps yikes

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Ive gone a week

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without it

terse sluice Mar 19, 2020, 5:34 PM

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what

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seriously?

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:34 PM

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I swear

#

Unranked -> Challenger

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:34 PM

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you've got problems, my dude

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:34 PM

#

On league

#

I am not sure I actually have. I am healthy asf irl

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:35 PM

#

i've done 48h without sleep, and felt "fine", but it's proven to be a really bad idea medically to play with your sleep like this

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:35 PM

#

I stayed up late one night
Unranked -> Bronze
On league 🥴

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I hit rank one on euw multiple times

#

on season 7

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 5:36 PM

#

Guys

#

someone told me I look like this in real life

#

goofy

hidden imp Mar 19, 2020, 5:36 PM

#

prove them wrong

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:37 PM

#

I used to spend days without sleep

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I went to lan after lan after lan

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 5:37 PM

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yeah, its super unhealthy. but, there are stages. the delirium stage was always my fave...

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:38 PM

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That is the thing

#

I never get to that stage

#

I am never THAT tired

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 5:40 PM

#

@hidden imp

#

I like your avatar picture. It's cute

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:41 PM

#

yeah, me neither, i mean, 6 to 8 am i do feel a bit down, but then it gets better, but i'm pretty sure i killed quite a few neurones sleeping less than i should have

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:41 PM

#

well

#

Idk

#

Btw, nice to meet you we have never talked before

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:42 PM

#

i still certainly don't sleep enough, most of my nights are nearer of 6h than the recommended 8, but i really don't like sleeping early 😦

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Yea me neither

#

I will be sleeping a lot in may/june so I get infinite amounts of energy for the codejam

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:42 PM

#

🙂

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 5:43 PM

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well, its not full-on hallucinations. but the shadow-people come out... and the statement "when did I get here/do that" starts happening. 😄

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:43 PM

#

Yea I have seen people experience that

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:43 PM

#

(but sleeping a lot to recover from previous lack of sleep doesn't seem to work, at least not completely, some effects of the lack of sleep persist long term anyway)

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:43 PM

#

Never actually experienced it myself

pine vector Mar 19, 2020, 5:43 PM

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@frosty berry that's my usual too. 6h..goto sleep late.

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:44 PM

#

50 hours awake

📎 unknown.png

#

Should I say yes?

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:44 PM

#

at least it's better than when i slept 4 almost every night

#

no

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:44 PM

#

There was a period where I would sleep at 9am, and wake up at 6pm

#

for 2 days

#

I had actually planned it like that

#

I booked a hotel

#

for 7 days

#

and I slept in the 2 of them

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

it certainly messes with your circadian rythm

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

I didn't have anything besides a crappy old phone with buttons, 0 touch with tech

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

my best friend accidentally fell asleep on my bed at uni once, so I just left her there and played portal all night instead of sleeping

#

I got home for the weekend at about 4pm the next day

#

and promptly collapsed on my bed and slept until 6am

#

haha

wheat lynx Mar 19, 2020, 5:46 PM

#

I get about 8h sleep every day, but I'm still always tired in the morning

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:46 PM

#

Thats the best

#

That is weird wookie

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:46 PM

#

yeah that happens to me too

#

pretty normal

#

alarms do that

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

#

if you are in the middle of a cycle, yes, you'll wake up tired

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

#

I am not sure it affects my health as I go to the gym almost everyday, I casually go to marathons and generally I exercise

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

#

there's an amusing amount of psychology to alarm sounds by the way

wheat lynx Mar 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

#

I hate alarms (as in normal ones that make a horrible noise) so I usual wake up to the radio

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

#

it can be worth it trying to go a bit earlier or later so when the alarm rings you are in light sleep

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

#

there's an alarm sound I fucking hate because I used it when I had to get up to go to a job I hated

#

if I hear it today I still get mad even though that was like 8 years ago

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:48 PM

#

there's an alarm sound I fucking hate because I used it when I had to get up to go to a job I hated
@sand goblet my school days

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🙂

#

were like that

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:48 PM

#

school was fine for me

wheat lynx Mar 19, 2020, 5:48 PM

#

I know exactly what you mean, I have the same thing

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Yea school is perfect for me as well, I just don't like the teachers

#

Let that slip, I am the most complete student not even kidding

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:49 PM

#

@wind karma good for you, really, and maybe you are exceptional in that regard, in which case there are some neurologist that would love to talk to you, but usually the effects on body and mind are really worse than people think

lime bison Mar 19, 2020, 5:49 PM

#

@frosty berry is there a way to not wake up in a middle of cycle if you don't sleep at the same time everyday. Calculating the time you should wake up every day and adjusting the alarm for it?

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:49 PM

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the best way to do that is with a wearable tracker

#

the fitbits do it

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:49 PM

#

Thanks? I am not sure how I should reply to that. @frosty berry

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:50 PM

#

it certainly does help that you are young, though, it's really easier to endure that at that age, but the price can be paid later

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I hope not

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😢

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:50 PM

#

maybe have a look at the book "why we sleep" if you want some counterpoints to your current lifestyle

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:51 PM

#

I will change my sleep schedule

#

When codejam is over.

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:51 PM

#

yeah pretty much all of the health advice you get when you're young is about not wrecking yourself later

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:51 PM

#

Right now I live for the codejam

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:51 PM

#

you won't suffer for the posture until later, as I found out

#

so now I had to rectify it

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:51 PM

#

@lime bison i do think so, though adjusting can take multiple days, a bit like jetlag, but yeah, adjusting the alarm from 10mn to 10mn to see how that works can probably help

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:51 PM

#

I feel like I am gonna die at my 30s with the shit I have done

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:51 PM

#

if you don't have hard constraints on your sleep schedule

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:52 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

wheat lynx Mar 19, 2020, 5:52 PM

#

I think school closing will help he get into a nice sleeping routine. I'd like to wake up at the same time every day.

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:52 PM

#

I pretty much always wake up before my alarm goes of, within like, 15 minutes of it

#

regardless of what I set it to

#

not sure why

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:53 PM

#

@wind karma well, let's hope not, but yeah, the 20s is a good time to get into healthier habits, the 30s is as well, it's never too late, but it's also never too soon

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:53 PM

#

I will try to refactor my sleep schedule

#

They want me to rebuild their notifications system

#

As a try out

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

will they pay you for it?

wheat lynx Mar 19, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

I often wake up before my alarm goes off. I hate looking at the clock one minute before the radio goes on and waiting

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:54 PM

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it is a try out, so supposedly it is to test me before they hire me

#

I think I am gonna say a big fat No

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

yeah but you're doing real work for them

#

they should pay you for it

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

That is true

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:55 PM

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don't let them take advantage of you haha

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

it's not unheard of to see very energetic people, overachievers, working a lot and leading apparently very healthy lives, have important health problems, in their 30s or 40s, way before they should, i don't know if there are studies of that, but it's important to leave yourself time to breath and settle down.

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:55 PM

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so many stories of devs doing real work for their "hiring exam" and then being told no after the project is done

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

@wheat lynx i mean, that's great, just snooze it before it rings and start your day full of energy 🙂

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Okay, not to sound money-hungry, but the test-project you are asking me to do is actually doing real work on your current systems. Shouldn't that be paid? Because, if by any means you do not like my coding style I get no compensation for the hours I put on the build.

#

What do you think of this?

#

I will send that

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

that seems fair

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

Right thanks

lime bison Mar 19, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

yea, looks good

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I really hope they arent using crappy infrastructure

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

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if they say no, you know they were here to take advantage all along, good riddance 🙂

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Haha

#

Yes

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

yep yep

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

Whenever I see bad network infrastructure my eyes bleed, and by the way this guy is talking I am guessing it will be

#

But lets wait and see

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

by the way, this is offtopic, but goddamn vue router is nice

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

well this is offtopic

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

haha

#

true

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

What makes the router so nice?

solid pollen Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

Can you be offtopic in offtopic?

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

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SPAs with Vue are very nice

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

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it's so fucking easy

#

make your vue component

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

yea

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

import it

#

here's the route

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

does it run openwrt?

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I've not messed about much with SPA routers

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

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bingo bango bongo

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

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vue has a habit of making things easy 🙂

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Vue provides a very intuitive way of making everything easy

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But Id rather go React

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for bigger projects

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That is the reply

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sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I can't really think of a reason to use React when I have Vue

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 5:59 PM

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cool 🙂

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Should I take it as a yes?

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 5:59 PM

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That's up to you

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You've still gotta negotiate rates, haha

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I will

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:00 PM

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well, i don't think the garbled spelling would make a good plausible deniability, so i'd take that as a yes

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:00 PM

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tell them you only accept human souls as currency

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Hahahaha

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:00 PM

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the screams of the damned

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:00 PM

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"oh pay, you will"

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:00 PM

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haha

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screams of the damned only, I accept

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I just wanna make some side cash

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To fund my domains/hosts

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And save for another project I am planning

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Gosh, web development can get really pricey

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:02 PM

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it can

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I'm working on a project that I'll host myself to hopefully help with that

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that's why I'm using vue

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Yea I want to host some projects myself, but this is what I pay 30euros per month for, and I must tell you this shit aint fast at all.

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sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:04 PM

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you should get a kimsufi maybe

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I usually use AWS

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:04 PM

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You can get 50usd free credit from DO, thats like 6months of hosting a fair amount of stuff

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Where am I getting myself into

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@undone berry what is DO?

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Digital Ocean

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:05 PM

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domains are cheap, unless you are looking for something that is short, easy to rememeber, meaningful, in a .com, etc, of course, but if you are ok with letting go of some of these criteria, it's pretty cheap. Hosting depends a lot on your needs.

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I'm not a huge fan of digitalocean

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Neither am I - but free is free

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:06 PM

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they are a bit pricey

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but yeah, free is free

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I use OVH VPSs for my stuff

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and will go to Kimsufi/SYS when I need something more

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Kimsufi is actually cheap asf

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thanks for suggesting

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:06 PM

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i've only had positive experiences with digitalocean

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:07 PM

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They're just expensive

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compared to other generic VPS providers

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:07 PM

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also some people have issues with DO's malware scanner

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where it just murders all their servers but the file isn't actually malware at all

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:08 PM

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someone gotta pays for all these podcasts and youtubers

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:08 PM

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they seem to have a direct uplink to most of the common ISPs, which means shit hosted on DO servers loads pretty fast... CDN is an exception, they fucked something up there

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Does DO sponsor stuff?

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I didn't even know

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:08 PM

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yeah, CDN is slow as fuck for me too

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it was faster for me to just serve my own static files

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:08 PM

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it's never been slow for me personally

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but some people using my CDN reported that shit loaded slow

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:09 PM

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a bit less for youtube i think these days, and i stopped listening to podcasts, they seemed quite commonly sponsoring them

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:09 PM

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tbf, I watch very little YT these days, and listen to no podcasts

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I do a fair bit of YT, but no podcasts right now

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:10 PM

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i only watch, like, 1-2 channels on youtube

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I'd kinda like to listen to newsy podcasts - but I can't find any that seem decent

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:10 PM

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my tastes have... shifted

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but i haven't found any good channels to replace the ones i used to watch

undone berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Thats pretty much the same for me

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ditched clickbaity or gamery stuff, and then never replaced it - so I have like 3 channels that I watch at all

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I mostly do food videos

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haha

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:11 PM

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i only mostly watch speedrun shit now

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dunno why, i don't personally speedrun

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it's just entertainment, i guess

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fascinated by the different glitches, devious techniques, and complex strategies

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Btw, do any of you listen to music while coding?

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:12 PM

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never

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:12 PM

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yup

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I almost always do

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but sometimes I get sensory overload and have to not

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:12 PM

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can't think with music playing

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distracts me too much

lime bison Mar 19, 2020, 6:13 PM

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online.net has great deals about some old hardware servers

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I listen to trance

lime bison Mar 19, 2020, 6:13 PM

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if you have a cpu-intensive task

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for web apps

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:14 PM

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tbh slow tasks should be offloaded to celery or something

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but maybe not actually celery

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:14 PM

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if i do anything CPU-intensive, i usually just get an aws instance

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463035268514185226/667375190375792671/unknown.png

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I'm still figuring that out because celery still doesn't support windows

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so I can't easily test it

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:14 PM

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i do listen to music while coding, a lot of electronic, but sometime other things, like jazz or classical

lime bison Mar 19, 2020, 6:14 PM

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@rough sapphire cool

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I find trance to be very healing while coding

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:15 PM

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do you have some spotify playlist?

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:15 PM

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I have an apple music playlist

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If I am not on my mac, which is usually not the case late night

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I just search on youtube

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10 hour psy trance

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and I hit the first result

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:15 PM

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I still can't see the point of apple music

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a smaller music catalogue with worse platform and device support

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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ok 😄

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Not really, the quality of the music is better than spotify

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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did they stop backstabbing spotify btw?

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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they did not

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I am not sure bout that

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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(like, taking 30% of their monthly subscription)

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Oh

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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spotify streams at 320 kbps

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Well Spotify forced their way out of this

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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although if quality is your thing.. tidal

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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They just disabled all in-app payments

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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my tidal experience was... lackluster

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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ok

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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You basically have to go through a browser to pay

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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i tried it for the high-quality memes

frosty berry Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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yeah, makes sense, that must suck for conversion though

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:17 PM

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that's also why I tried it

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the library wasn't great but it's a lot better now

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and plex integrates with it

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:18 PM

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I actually built a plex clone

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:18 PM

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but the app (which was a blatant spotify mimickry down to the positioning of the icons and the icons themselves) was just so buggy

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:18 PM

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last year

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But I would always get a problem with the transcoder thing

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And I just abandoned it

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:18 PM

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i also don't think i could even tell the difference between spotify's 320kbps and FLAC/Masters

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:18 PM

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yeah, most people can't

wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Its weird

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:20 PM

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reminds me of that audiophile sean meme we came up with @rough sapphire

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wind karma Mar 19, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Haha

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:20 PM

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that's Tasteyflame if you remember him

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haha

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known as tfx now, I think

rough sapphire Mar 19, 2020, 6:20 PM

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haha yeah

gentle moss Mar 19, 2020, 6:20 PM

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on the 320kbps mp3 vs flac thing

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a lot of people can't even tell the difference between 128kbps mp3s and 320kbps mp3s

sand goblet Mar 19, 2020, 6:21 PM

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when tidal originally became a thing, to get into the beta you had to take an ear test

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where it made you pick the flac between two samples of the same song