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sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:13 PM

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hahaha

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no they were doing that back with us too

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but we thought it was stupid and we spent more time criticising the situation than doing the math

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:14 PM

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You mean you don't eat 12 watermelons?

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:14 PM

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hah

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unfortunately not

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but in the UK it was more practical I think

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like they gave you a flattened out shape and you had to figure out how to fold it

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:16 PM

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"You have 45 sweets and Michael takes 11. What does Michael get?"

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a slap

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:16 PM

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rather than this "take the angle between john, mary and the local abattoir"

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also I'm not sure all schools get quite the same tests here

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although it is interesting just how many subjects they will accept at that level that can be taken but most schools don't have teachers for

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like.. latin

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and then if someone wants to do it the school legally has to provide a teacher for it

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this can only go badly

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:19 PM

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romani ite domum

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:19 PM

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like I knew this girl that took japanese for her leaving cert

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I have no idea how they found a teacher for that one

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Ne pater meus es tu!

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Great, the prime minister just gave a speech, talking about the spread of the infection for the comming months.

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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uhhhh

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I don't want to practise social distancing for several months 😦

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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well, we all have to do that

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better get started

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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et tu brute

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I mean I do anyway

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I need more things to do at home, I'm burning out on gaming

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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that's why i started on my box

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again

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I don't have the skills, tools or crayons to teach myself that one

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but it's a real interesting trade

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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make matchstick sculptures

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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"Avoid contact with people." Waaaaaay ahead of you

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I whiteboarded a project about an hour or two ago

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so maybe I'll give that a shot

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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i still need to buy a whiteboard

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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they cost fucking nothing

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which is amazing

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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i know

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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well, unless you want something good

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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and they're so good

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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in which case they cost slightly more than nothing

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they are great, yeah

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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fuck it, they'll all work fine and if they get discoloured over time

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just bleach it

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:22 PM

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the one I have is a combined corkboard and whiteboard

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literally the only things I put on the corkboard are pending prescriptions though

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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📎 IMG-20200314-WA0001.jpg

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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ah so you can peel your notes off the whiteboard and stick them to the corkboard

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gotcha

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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haha

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I don't use sticky notes

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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i just imagined some youtube visual effect reel of someone peeling notes off an actual whiteboard

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:24 PM

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haha

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Gareth Bentham, a joint pub landlord in Altrincham, said Boris Johnson’s decision to urge people to avoid pubs means he and thousands of other landlords won’t be able to claim for the coronavirus outbreak on business interruption insurance.

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I also don't whiteboard properly at all

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But whatever

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📎 IMG_20200316_182435.jpg

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It works for me

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command hook strips, if you're wondering why it's floating under the hook in the wall

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:25 PM

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i've got a set of them

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was going to use them to hold up some guitar holders

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I still can't fucking believe like

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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but even though they're rated for like 20kg i don't trust our wall

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I showed the guy the board, I was like

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this needs to be on the wall

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and he puts exactly one hook in it and tells me to get a rope

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Invisible string

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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can you imagine writing on this thing

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it'd be swinging all over the place

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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:D

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pendulum development

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Maybe my handwriting would be legible due to that xd

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:26 PM

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haha

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:27 PM

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the trick would be to set it in motion and hold your hand in one place

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:27 PM

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lol, writing one dot at a time

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like a dot matrix printer but with way lower resolution

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:27 PM

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i wonder what it's like to write on a moving surface

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like a ticker tape that's pulled at a constant speed

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:28 PM

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sounds like a project

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I mean if it's truly a constant speed you can just sit on it

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:28 PM

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i mean like writing without having to move your hand

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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well I mean you have to move something

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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the paper

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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You can emulate that by dragging a piece of copy paper around

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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it sounds terrible either way

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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you could do some fun cursive

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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also I rest my hand on the paper

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inky pens suck, change my mind

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Oh I just thought of something that does this kind of

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A band saw

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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hahaha

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:30 PM

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inky pens are great if you write like chicken scratch

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:30 PM

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replace the saw with a roll of masking tape

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sorted

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:30 PM

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i've got a really nice smooth roller ball that inks pretty good

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:30 PM

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you try to write on it and your pen gets thrown across the room

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glorious

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:30 PM

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🎶 And after allllllllllllll; you're my roller ballllllllllll 🎶

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:30 PM

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I use the cheapest pens possible

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because writing for more than a few seconds hurts my wrist haha

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:31 PM

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hah

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oh hem.

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well cheap pens can make writing more annoying

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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that's something else that wasn't a problem until Ireland

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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good pens are worth it

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Just use speech to text.

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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because my teachers in london realised it was a problem and gave me a digital typewriter to use

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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People have been using that for centuries.

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:33 PM

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so now after moving to Ireland and having to write stacks and stacks of bullshit for 9 years I can barely write comfortably at all

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dyspraxia. woo!

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I'm not sure why typing is fine, though

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:33 PM

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different muscle groups

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:33 PM

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I guess so

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:34 PM

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typing doesn't use fine motor control like writing does

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:35 PM

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come to think of it, it turns out the coordinator at our slimming meets also has dyspraxia

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will have to invite her over and get her perspective sometime

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after this pandemic is over

stark prawn Mar 16, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I wonder how many divorces the quarentine will lead to.

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:37 PM

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That's dark

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I love it

gentle moss Mar 16, 2020, 6:39 PM

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hah

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:39 PM

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you know something, grote

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https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/03/16/divorce-rates-skyrocket-as-couples-forced-into-self-isolation/

Waterford Whispers News

Julius Hubris

Divorce Rates Skyrocket As Couples Forced Into Self-Isolation

A SPOKESPERSON for co-habiting couples around the world has said that precautionary self-isolation action needed to stave off the spread of Covid-19 could result in a cataclysmic rise in divorce rates if couples are forced …

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:>

plucky ridge Mar 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is why you shouldn't "settle" when picking a partner for life

sand goblet Mar 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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yup

rough sapphire Mar 16, 2020, 6:55 PM

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~~Ok then i'm gonna be single for the rest of my life, not as if anyone would be interested in me anyways.~~

lost radish Mar 16, 2020, 8:52 PM

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"cataclysmic"

vestal briar Mar 16, 2020, 10:43 PM

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How do you make a subshell stay alive using python's subprocess

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I'm trying to automate venvs

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But I can't do subprocess.Popen([".", f"{self.path}/bin/activate"], shell=True) that was my first thought

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Looked at similar tech that does this but they just have some black magic

open flame Mar 16, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Wow. GitHub bought npm. I was not expecting that.

vestal briar Mar 16, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Aka microsoft bought npm

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So microsoft basically controls typescript, vscode, github and js

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Oh no

sly lintel Mar 16, 2020, 11:59 PM

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And oh no?

frosty berry Mar 17, 2020, 12:01 AM

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somebody should buy npm

microsoft: buys npm

oh no

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:02 AM

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microsoft is justing buying everything huh

sly lintel Mar 17, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Who changed this channel's name

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:09 AM

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@royal lake

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Microsofts plan

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Pretend to like oss

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Buy it all out

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Profit

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Can anyone answer my question btw, still stuck

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Microsoft will like oss as long as oss makes them enough money.

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:32 AM

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📎 IMG_20200317_003008.jpg

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Awwww his button

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Neat

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:33 AM

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🤔

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:35 AM

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📎 IMG_20200317_003419.jpg

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Box play chess

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Box is love

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Box is life

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:37 AM

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📎 VID_20200317_003616.mp4

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:37 AM

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OHHH ITS MR BOX

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Like the thing you where making

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Like 5 mont s ago

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:38 AM

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This has been over a year in the making

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1 part left

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Speaker grill panel

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Tbh could have 3d printed or something

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:40 AM

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well that'd defeat the point of woodworking wouldn't it

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Fair enough

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I'd like to woodwork more

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Oh shoot I need to redo the drone arm

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I broke it again

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:50 AM

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i like to do woodwork in the summer when i have time and it isn't freezing outside

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so the rest of the year i don't really get to do it

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Are you from like northern countries?

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 AM

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weather's been too shit to do it outside here

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 AM

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yes, northeast america

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 AM

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so if i want to do stuff i have to do small amounts inside and hoover all the time

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 AM

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When is it not

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Oooh

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 AM

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in the summer

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there are nice days, don't be a negative mancy

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 AM

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It's only started to become sprting in the ladt week

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Been winter since sept or oct

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:(

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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I really like the weather here

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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it's actually becoming kinda nice here

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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I usually take my macbook and I code outside

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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one day it was a nice 72

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F

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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And ideas come up like hell

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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What's that in non-freedom?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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about 22

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Pretty good

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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I'm more comfortable at low temps.

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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We got a bad winter and just before that, a 38c with like 98% humidity?

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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3d printed Raspberry Pi cases are very 2016

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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I'm used to very hot

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My school as no ac

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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I make my own raspberry cases

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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And it's 300 years old

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Out of wood

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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And was made as a factory

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So it's not great

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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it gets hot like hell here in the summer tho and super humid

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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I actually implemented a security system with raspberry pis

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for my house

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Cool

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We just have a cctv in garage

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That's our security

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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also nice for making a case out of wood

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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with opencv and aiohttp

gentle moss Mar 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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that's what i'm doing :3

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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That and some knifes in the kitchen

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Hoyl shit yes

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Our security system are door locks.

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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yep

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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A pen lid rolled away

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But I perfectly caught it with my elbow then my hand

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Our security system are door locks.
@stark prawn This is next in my security list

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Lol

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 AM

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But it is postponed until further notice

vestal briar Mar 17, 2020, 12:56 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TngViNw2pOo This is one of these songs that has a riff that sound like a western

YouTube

Derek & The Dominos - Topic

Layla (40th Anniversary Version / 2010 Remastered)

Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group

Layla (40th Anniversary Version / 2010 Remastered) · Derek & The Dominos

Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs

℗ 2010 Polydor Ltd. (UK)

Released on: 2011-01-01

Producer: Derek & The Dominos
Associated Performer, Vocals: Eric Cla...

▶ Play video

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That and that abba song

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Sounds like horses

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:11 AM

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i think this is ok, right?

📎 title-transparent.png

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Not bad

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The border on the Py looks a bit odd

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Whats it for?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:16 AM

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yeah it does look a little off. i'm not sure what's off tho

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it's for this https://github.com/Den4200/pyfrost/tree/master

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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it is fire!

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Pun intended

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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hahah

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Why are you naming it PyFrost and not PyFire though

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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It needs to be the same shade as the text but darker

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:18 AM

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This server has become my addiction

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Every time I start chatting here

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I let hours fly by

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It is currently 4:20AM and I am still not tired

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I fucked myself by sleeping all evening - now I'm gonna end up going to bed at 6am

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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yeah i think that looks better. i also upped the border size by 1 on Py

📎 title2million.png

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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@undone berry that is me 1 week now

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Much better @terse sluice

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Yo gdude, do you also take part in creating codejams?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:23 AM

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awesome thanks for the suggestion!

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the events team does

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Oki

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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like ah

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eivl has that role

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I don't

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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and a bunch others

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I'm currently the sole user event coordinator, they have a real events team

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I'm not staff at all

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Oh ok

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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More events or user events would be cool I think

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Yes, I agree

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Haha

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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I'd love it if someone managed to get some sort of weekly programming event going

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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if a bunch of staff aren't sick next week, we'll probably have a meeting and then discuss your proposal Charlie. i think it's a cool idea, but a lot of work

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:30 AM

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I think its not a lot of work for staff assuming they're capable of letting the users (me/whoever agrees to help me) do most of the stuff

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:30 AM

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^^

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:30 AM

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yeah, i mean a lot of work for you haha

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:31 AM

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I will help for sure 🙂

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:31 AM

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I'm an unemployed student with no lectures in the forseeable future - I am the living embodiment of spare time

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Haha

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I'll probably have time to help out as well

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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But that isn't even really what I was getting at. I feel like more regular events that build up a community around them would be good. For example, around the start and end of the last code jam #team-leaders and #code-jam-discussion had a community collaborative feel to it

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I think the same could be achieved if someone managed to figure out the right weekly/fortnightly event

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but I'm not sure exactly what it would be

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There's the same thing with Jackbox, but its not programmy in the same way

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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We do have our regulars, yeah

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Fortnight mini-codejams could be a thing

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With like role prizes

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:35 AM

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These are user events

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Wouldn't be any roles involved

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Yeah, I also don't necessarily think thats the best way to draw people in

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Well there needs to be some motivation for people to join mini-codejams

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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How about, because they enjoy it?

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It's not like I offer prizes for jackbox

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Yea right, but after some time it is just going to get tiring and boring

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I never said you are doing anything wrong btw

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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The typical codejam is a more competitive thing - thats fine as an irregular thing, but most people don't want to compete like that too regularly

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So it would need to be something collaborative. But if its something collaborative, then it still needs to be approachable for new people

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I don't really mind non - rewarding codejams

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For now lets just wait tho 😛

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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i wouldn't really mind either

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the experience is what i care about

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Haha yes

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I think the winner/loser aspect would get tiring for a lot of people very quickly

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and I think a lot of people wouldn't want to do throwaway projects like that too regularly

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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That is true

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Yeah, collabs are the way to go

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Can you explain what you mean by collabs?

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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A big group of people working together on one thing/towards one goal

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rather than separately or in smaller groups

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Oh

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That is nice

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But the project would have to be enormous

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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well i have two jetbrains 3 month all products pack licenses if you want those for prizes

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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I really enjoyed the last code jam - but there's no way I could put in that amount of effort, or even a weekends worth of that amount of effort regularly

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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How it would even work? One team lead and a lot of collaborators with pull requests?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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i'm probably never going to use them

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i put in an insane amount of effort for the last jam

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Jams are so much work

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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still 3d place

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🙂

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Hahahaha

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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It's not even funny how much work it is to run a jam

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I don't envy those guys

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Right, and you dont even get to join it

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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How long was last jam?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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the comments on the PRs were insane.. so good

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9 days

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Even just the code reviews must have taken forever

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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yeah

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Code reviews were awesome

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Ouch, it's def too long.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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No - I much preferred the longish length to weekend hackathon code jam things that I've done

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Ludum Dare jam is 72 hours

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Thats a different feel to the code jam here I think

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Can someone link me to the last codejam?

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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especially as for this codejam quality mattered

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I feel like that I am not going to sleep for 9 days

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in the next codejam

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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https://pythondiscord.com/pages/code-jams/code-jam-6/

Python Discord | Code Jam 6: Ancient Technology

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wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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tyty

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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heh i wrote that page

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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9 days without sleep? You would get error messages mocking you in thick british accent. Even after you turn off your PC.

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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no one went that extreme

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that's more for like 24hr code jams

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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There are some people who sunk a lot of time into it

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Dude I have done that

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On league of legends

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Unranked - Challenger no sleep

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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oh yeah i probably spent ~30hrs, but i slept normally

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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I fucked up a uni exam because of it

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although I didn't fail so it doesn't really matter

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I can spend more than 150 hours in such events

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Like if I start I cant finish

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It becomes an unfulfilled desired

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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My dorm neigbour said that once he decided to play VNs for a week straight

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Where if I dont fill it I cant continue

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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VNs?

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Video naughties?

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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VIsual novels. Animu thing.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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viral Newtons?

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ah

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:47 AM

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When it comes to challenges I am like sequential structure, if I dont finish the challenge I cant move on

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:47 AM

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I remember advent of code.

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Every day a new problem. Started 3 days late and every day just tried to solve them, sometimes 4-6 hours a day. And couldn't catch up.

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I think made through 9 or 10

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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I got an idea like 4 days ago

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about covidmap tracking

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I spent 25 hours straight on that

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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that's not very healthy

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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The thing is that if I am not on idea streaks

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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but it was a very cool project

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I have a very very strict schedule

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I got to gym every day

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I go running

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I code max 3 hours a day for secondary projects

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and I spend quality time with my gf/friends

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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that's much healthier

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:52 AM

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I just don't like to postpone things I love

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So, when I join the codejam, which is something I really want to join right now, I will be ruthless

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:52 AM

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a week without sleep? hmm

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:52 AM

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EASILY

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redbulls - coffee - burgers are my daily fuel

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in these cases

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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the max i could go is probably 36 hours

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Bad sleeping habits tend to sneak in others areas of life

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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I dont have bad sleeping habits

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I sleep 8 hours per day on average

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When I am on projects

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I dont sleep at all

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Bad sleeping is the absolute worst

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As long as you sleep roughly the same 8 hours every day its fine

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I remember work + uni, when i went from one to another without sleep. Ofc, no time to cook, so it's fast food time. And then I become too lazy to cook even when i have time for it.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 2:55 AM

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but if you mix and match, sometimes getting up at 2pm, sometimes getting up at 8am, you're fucked

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Yea, I run on 5 hours per day max, but I save these 3 hours of extra energy

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for these days

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I basically force myself to bed so I can store energy

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for the days I need it

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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The worst thing after 12-hour shift is that you don't actually want to sleep after it for a while

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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I don't think your body work like that

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Trust me it does

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Try it for 1 week

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Your body kinda "winds down" for 2-4 hours at least.

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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and see how much extra energy you will have

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@terse sluice what was the name of your team?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 AM

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inquisitive investigators

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 AM

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I am watching the Judging Live Stream

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 AM

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ooh nice hahah

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mmm where should i host my images

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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are u making a website?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 AM

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it's the pyfrost img above. i need to be able to use it on the docs, github page, and pypi

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 AM

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BTW, guys, do you use any notetaking/organisational apps to structure work?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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like general work, or for coding and development?

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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it's the pyfrost img above. i need to be able to use it on the docs, github page, and pypi
@terse sluice well you could try imgur

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Wherever. For example, in Uni i used Mendeley to structure articles i needed for studies.

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It's a reference manager.

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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I make notes

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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i like the notion app

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 AM

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in my notebook

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for my daily tasks

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 AM

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super versatile and customizeable

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Is it better than fully-free alternatives?

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 AM

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and then I have a raspberry analyze the notes

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kappa

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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i mean notion is free and it's awesome

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I often leave .txt files with notes on my desktop. It's a bad system, but I never really bothered to switch.

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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they do have a pro version i think, but i don't have it

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they have a mobile and desktop app

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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yo @terse sluice your codejam project is so nice

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lol

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Actually so nice

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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lol thank you

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couldn't have done it with my teammate Monika

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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It looks so nice

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Gotta check it, thanks.

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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retro style

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Where you a 2 member team?

glacial owl Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Any other interesting productivity apps?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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yeah, only 2 out of the 5 worked

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Why is that?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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i haven't used any others

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one teammate's father had a serious head injury and the other 2 idk

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Hmm

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That's unfair

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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luck of the draw

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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You still managed 3d

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vs teams of 5

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 AM

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hahah yeah

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I dunno if its unfair - most teams seemed to only have 2-4 working

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2.5 seemed to be the most common

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 AM

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How is that?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 AM

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2nd had 4 people and 1st had all 5 people i think

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I know for the first place team at least one member was ill a lot of the time

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 AM

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That is unlucky

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 AM

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What was second? I remember first was Morse, third was the terminal tui thing

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 AM

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things happen that get in the way of the jam, but some people just don't do anything

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salt-die's game

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 AM

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ah yeah

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that was great

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 AM

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super cool

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and satisfying

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Yeah, I think he's worked on it since

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although I haven't looked

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 AM

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yeah he has

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it optimized it for mobile

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 AM

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don't know if any others have worked on theirs, have you?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 AM

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no i haven't since then

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I haven't touched mine, but I know BrainDead said he was planning to

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 AM

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neither has my other teammate

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 AM

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This is giving me such a desire to join a codejam now

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Aaaaah

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And the theme was pretty good

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Going into it, I was a bit worried a theme I didn't like would get chosen - but Ancient Tech was easily my favourite

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:22 AM

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yeah i liked that theme. i'm glad it was picked

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Do you know who suggested it?

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:22 AM

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hmm i don't remember. idk if we even knew who chose it

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I think the form was anonymous, but I know some people owned up to suggesting some of them

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:23 AM

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How weird would it be if it was future for the summer one

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I know Gdude had one on the shortlist

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:24 AM

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what kind of app would you make for the future?

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Not usre

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sure

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That would be difficult asf

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:24 AM

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exactly what Salt Die made for the post apocalypse

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I assume we'll also need to go back to Morse once the internet dies

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so 2/3 of the top 3 can be resubmitted as is

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 AM

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hahah lmao

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Right

grim nest Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 AM

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my coworker has coronavirus and he is not dead, feels fine. but now the company is shut down for 2 weeks wanders away

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 AM

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haha

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Maybe space could be a theme

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 AM

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space invaders would be cool

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love that game

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:26 AM

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as a theme or submission?

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I imagine it would be a fairly narrow theme

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:26 AM

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space invaders submission for a space theme

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Yeah, that makes more sense

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Hmm

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Maybe time could be a theme

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that could be interesting as well

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:26 AM

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that’s a bit broad

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Bisk could resubmit his

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Imagine the possibilities

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:27 AM

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he could haha

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his last commit on the code jam was great

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:27 AM

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He was streaming right up to the last minute - and watching him make changes with minutes/seconds left was anxiety inducing

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 AM

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I guess this goes without saying but are you obliged to code the project on python?

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 AM

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51+% of the code had to be Python

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Cause I could think many cases where unity can fit in

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And make a game look stunning

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Unlike most code jams, code quality was a huge factor in this. So that means it kinda needs to be Python so the judges can judge it based on its quality as python code

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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scripting in unity with python is a thing right?

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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I don't really think so

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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there is a .NET import for python

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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yeah code quality was pretty big

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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spams lambdas

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:32 AM

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i’m still very impressed by their code reviews

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so good..

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like look at ours https://github.com/python-discord/code-jam-6/pull/5

GitHub

Inquisitive Investigators by Den4200 · Pull Request #5 · python-dis...

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Sec

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:32 AM

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i can’t get rid of the giant embed cuz i’m on mobile..

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:33 AM

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At the time I read the code reviews for every project that looked even slightly interesting - and it was a very enlightening experience

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:34 AM

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i did that as well and it really opened my eyes on how much work they put in

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Yea the code review seems nice

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I guess they also check the way you use git

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:35 AM

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yes they do

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commit message quality

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:36 AM

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going into it - I didn't even realise commit messages had bodies/descriptions

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:36 AM

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and when having too small commits, squash them

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:37 AM

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I usually always write extensive commit titles but no bodies

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Not*

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:37 AM

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i always forget about bodies and just use -m

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:37 AM

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In which case, your commits are probably too long

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:37 AM

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bad habit

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:38 AM

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I just add a changelog file and log the changes there beforehand

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I can adapt to the body thing tho

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I am heading to bed, thanks for the chat guys

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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@wind karma @lime gazelle This one is free for you folks

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Oh whoops

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Meant you xx

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Thanks 😄

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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pinged the wrong person yeah

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Sorry kiwi

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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np

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I am good

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

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So yeah, I had the same problem yesterday

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but I managed to work around it.

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I tried the same thing, it's not working

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:48 PM

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what's the issue?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:48 PM

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https://pastebin.com/FAE126P7

Pastebin

[Bash] #!/bin/bash # Taking as input parameter the name of the c...

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I'm trying to execute an rsync command

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If I copy and paste what it evaulates to, it works.

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But if I try and run the same exact command from the script, it doesn't

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and it says "option unkown" and then the whole extra args string

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:49 PM

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hmmmm

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sec

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Aigh 😄

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I've tried everything I could think of

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:50 PM

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what if you put eval in front of the evaluated command?

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when calling it in the script, i mean

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

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eval(rsync "${tmp_extra_rsync_args}" "$tmp_src_path" "$tmp_ssh_user"@"$tmp_target_server":"$tmp_dst_path" >> "$log_filename" 2> >(handle_error)) like this?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

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no ()

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Aight

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

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just eval rsync "${tmp_extra_rsync_args}" "$tmp_src_path" "$tmp_ssh_user"@"$tmp_target_server":"$tmp_dst_path" >> "$log_filename" 2> >(handle_error)

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Heck

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it works

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I don't understand why tho.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:53 PM

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because you are running rsync "${tmp_extra_rsync_args}" etc

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the args and stuff get sent to rsync as a single string

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which is not how it expects it

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eval expands them first into separate ones

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you can alternatively remove the quotes around variables in your rsync command

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would achieve the same result, i imagine

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

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I tried

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It didn't

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

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huh, odd

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Yah

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Also, I'm trying to use - "ssh -i" and it's not working :/

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I must be doing something wrong

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Jk I had the wrong key.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 12:56 PM

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haha

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Nope.

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Right key now, still asks me for the password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:00 PM

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correct username though?

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also what's your full command?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:01 PM

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rsync --archive --verbose --compress --progress --bwlimit=1000 --human-readable --append-verify -e "ssh -i $HOME/.ssh/key.pub" /home/birbautoma/projects/Borsa-Flowcharts/stuff_to_sync/ birbautoma@localhost:/home/birbautoma/projects/Borsa-Flowcharts/synced_stuff

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I already set up the keys between myself and...myself lol

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:03 PM

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birbautoma?

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🐦

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i can help you with the birbs

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what kind of birbs are they

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@lime gazelle eval removes the quotes around "ssh -i $HOME/.ssh/key.pub", which is not ideal

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could use single quotes, but then you'd have to use something else instead of $HOME

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:07 PM

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crap

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I thought it would use the keys on its own

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@rough sapphire Well. I don't really know. Hm.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:08 PM

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wait

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wait wait wait

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why are you using the public key for identification

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you should be using the private key

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:08 PM

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frick

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I'm stupid

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:08 PM

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the public key can be used as a signature

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not what -i does

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okay

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Okay I corrected that

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Still, nothing. It still asks for the password

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Which, I guess, is correct?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:09 PM

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you haven't set a passphrase for the key, have you?

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this the user password, and not the ssh key password?

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Does the server ask for password or it asks for the key password?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:10 PM

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password

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the key has no password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:10 PM

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stupid Q but does it find the key and does it have the correct permissions

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:11 PM

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When I use the same key for ssh it works

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I can also just ssh without specifying the key

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I think

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No not without specifying the key

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:11 PM

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the user running the script has the same $HOME as where the file is?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Yeah, it should

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It does, yes

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I tried re-copying the key, I still can't do ssh localhost without it asking for my pass

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Uh

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Have you tried just giving it no password?

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I thought it had to ask for a password even if there wasn't one

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Yes, try an empty password

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Also, I think I messed up the key exchange

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I'm trying to ssh using my private key, it's not working. Still asks for pass.

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Uh.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Again, I think it asks for one even if there isn't one

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:21 PM

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It shouldn't

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I'll try setting up the keys again

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Tried with empty password?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:22 PM

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I'll set it up and I'll try w/o a pass

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brb

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 1:23 PM

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SSH doesn't ask for a password if your key hasn't got one and the key is accepted by the server

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Nope

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Even without password

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Okay I fucked up

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maybe because I'm sshing to myself?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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that should be fine

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Do you know what the user password is?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Yeah, it's mine

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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are you using the correct username

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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yeah

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there's only one user too

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 1:24 PM

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So can you try using ssh-add-key? Or whatever the command is

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:25 PM

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I tried ssh-copyid

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Hm, well, that certainly should do it

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Maybe the SSH server isn't configured to accept keys

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:25 PM

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and the public key is in authorized_keys?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:26 PM

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yes

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with ssh-copy-id it does that

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my pub key and the authorized keys files have the same md5 sum

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because they're essentially the same file

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:27 PM

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what do sshd logs say

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if systemd, sudo journalctl -u ssh

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:28 PM

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No entries

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:29 PM

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uhhh

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sudo cat /var/log/auth.log then?

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:31 PM

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no such file or directory

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GWsocksAngeryBob

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I have something

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I have something

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:31 PM

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what distro and does it use openssh

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:32 PM

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bad ownership for home dir

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it's fedora31

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bad ownership or modes for dir /home/birbautoma

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uh

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:32 PM

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chown and chmod 644 then

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or uh

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755

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Okie

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it works

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Thanks!

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at least, ssh localhost

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It works, even the script! Thanks, really really thanks!!

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 1:35 PM

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np :+1:

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Uh

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Well.

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Now, for some reason, it copies my rsa key. The private one.

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Ok.

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My bad. I was copying it.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:07 PM

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btw setting a passphrase for the private key is rather important

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Eh

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it's my peronal computer

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I don't have important keys, only one to my own user..like..that's pretty useless

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to use it you'd have to be logged in as birbautoma already, so..

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Birbatron 5000

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Honestly?

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I should change my hostname to that.

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Annnd....done.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 2:46 PM

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I like to think I change the world in little ways

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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LIke a butterfly effect

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Back to work 😦

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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@lime gazelle 🤷 just as long as you're aware it's the same as saving your password to disk as plain text

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Eh

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again, if you want to use it, you'd need my password anyway

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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@rough sapphire Wouldn't matter if they have disk encryption enabled

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I don't

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Oh

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I tend to forget my passwords

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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KeePass/Bitwarden!

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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It happened once. I had disk encryption and I forgot the pas

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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the point is that if somebody gets access to your files, no matter how, if they manage to grab the SSH key, if you've used the key anywhere else, you're done

lime gazelle Mar 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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yeah but I can't use it with disk encryption

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But why would I use that key somewhere else?

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It's common practice to generate a new key

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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@lime gazelle You could, if you had it installed on a mobile device for example

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@rough sapphire Hopefully folks aren't re-using passwords 😄

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having multiple SSH keys is painful

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Of course, https://haveibeenpwned.com is a testament to that

Have I Been Pwned: Check if your email has been compromised in a da...

Have I Been Pwned allows you to search across multiple data breaches to see if your email address has been compromised.

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passwords is fine because there are managers for that

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but I have yet to see a system which distributes SSH keys as easily as something like lastpass

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I personally don't use nor would suggest using something like LastPass

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But that's just me

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KeePass or Bitwarden, because KeePass has been audited, and Bitwarden allows you to host it yourself.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:02 PM

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I've been enjoying bitwarden

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:02 PM

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I'm really not for infosec here. I'm 100% for practicality.

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@sand goblet recommends Bitwarden

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:02 PM

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hell yes I do

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:02 PM

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lastpass has saved my ass way too many times

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I do not trust lastpass as far as I can throw it

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it's owned by LogMeIn and they have an absolutely shittastic reputation

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I've never had an issue with KeePass. But then again I also have numerous backups of the db 😄

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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KeePass is totally great

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If it suits you it's awesome

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I prefer using my mind, harder to hack lemon_pleased

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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@solid pollen passwordpassword123 isn't a good password tho

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Haha, but it is pretty long

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Add in a few more "passwords" and you're good

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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badgerbadgerbadgerbadger also isn't a good password

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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🍄 🍄

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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drowssap is a good password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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( +1 to those who got the reference )

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👻 🐍

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Amazing

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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All people old like us should get that reference scott.

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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🦡

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Its not just old people

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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@stark prawn You'd be surprised

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Oh huh

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Hey, 2009

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:05 PM

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I didn't realize there was a badger emoji

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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It was brought back to a fair extent in like 2014 or so due to the badger cull in the UK

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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My passwords generally look like this: 7DsfEbubNkUwxSkVoyLyZC9YNC#HseZA^LUzQpu!3kw%9Tv3EJvAcm87cKsRh5P4pxRQ62HhZ6rzj%6pwocpz@zjgrrV6kR#dKA7RceVohZ#C3THx@dt8aSw^zpd%f6w

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Brian Blessed and Brian May did aversion of it together

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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(not one I actually use, just generated it now)

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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@sand goblet nG~-hEy&Ky(VFF8$~;t#,3ePm.Lr7=FWmgp?K'/<{,M69}K2wR&(6"&$B]uW$9(Q~g8F7id5PchH/X>;U[SV?ND]s:@4L<#B7xWuaLNHcFoQ-^G_WR}wr!&4LT{%'"aoCJP4u#zAP~rg7,Cc>@#4D=YSduJ{o&c(WHnb[}[n\4{=@v3cz^gcD&+ox,i*NN4>:S+nj)Qhf-Lx@Sc@#+Wb3tuV:Z4hi+>k+J%}cYqC49'>265T~~e_LDe*-~wU8c9_LzS-od6<#;NF<d(H8?Pt+xjjQ74qx*6>+YvXbPH5)$7[[rez)?`=M<V=GMk9_-+Duy!zw;y^iSB{[f?Tkx~5CdhisR}x82t7}AWL":/_JdY_{Yd.Xg%ExQAav^\("`}&U%E_J#S&!+ofKy`$QVtV6[YK'=Q47cY{(Zw"$hDq/>H"H_saaSpy96ZF}WANC"@qbUq!>q%\DT#Lz+G@+cx-7-ggE}k,Ki`i$(ed(DT7Q_E<FbU6$ZT~,#_r$/T:i`k3

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don't use passwords that long

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512 or bust

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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You'll regret it the day you have to manually type it somewhere

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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@solid pollen I don't, though

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Most services don't go over 128

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:06 PM

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mine usually look something like Lando5Calrissian

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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And then they only use the first 16 characters to create the hash

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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many don't even go over 60

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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serious: don't use passwords even close to that long

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Discarding everything after that

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Mine is around 10 chars

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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because they need to get salted

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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that's not my problem

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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KeePass DX on Android is pretty good, since they have their own keyboard

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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some random letters and numbers I just memorized

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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I don't see what that has to do with it world

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:07 PM

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So you can just copy/paste whatever, without sharing your clipboard with everything

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:08 PM

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It is longer to salt?

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Same with hashing?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:08 PM

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@stark prawn there might be datatype restrictions, specifically if the salt is something like string concatenation

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:08 PM

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That sounds like poor implementation

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:08 PM

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this might be coming from times of the olden when characters were stored in buffers

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:08 PM

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The salt shouildn't have anything to do with the plaintext password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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@undone berry yes I suppose you can salt the hash too?

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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yeah salts are pretty irrelevant

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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salt(hash(pw)) ?

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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salts are hashed as well

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they just have to store the salt separately

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I mean, if my password is 512 characters - I don't really care if it's salted tbh.

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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so it doesn't matter, the length in the DB is the same

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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If I ever make my own IDE theme or something, any mention of "hash" shall be the color brown

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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It'd be nice

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:09 PM

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What?

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Hash browns

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Breakfast potatoes

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Num nums

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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.>

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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you don't need to store the hash of the password itself ever afaik

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you just need to know how you salted the password

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Well yes, you should properly salt your hash browns

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Wait a sec, you eat potatoes for your breakfast?

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Huh, how are you gonna verify the hash if you don't store it.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Hash browns are overrated

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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you don't need to store the hash of the password itself

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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*with your breakfast

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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@stark prawn of course you will but you store the salted version

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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It's rarely the only thing

terse sluice Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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hash browns are amazing

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Hemlock eats exclusively just hash browns

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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You just store the hash, that's the main point

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Hash browns are the most boring part of any breakfast that they participate in

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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@undone berry Hash browns are great tho

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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You don't store the hash of the password

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Grits

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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you store the hash of salt + password

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Hashbrowns are the epitome of mediocrity

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Grits are the most boring

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I love hash browns

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gotta make my own someday

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Never had grits actually

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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You're missing literally nothing

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They have no taste

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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It is hard some me to imagine someone eating potatoes at like 8AM

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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the salt in a passsword hash exists entirely to prevent rainbow tables-style attacks on people's passwords

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I'm not sure if google is even showing me the right grits - it looks like a worse version of porridge there

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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That is the correct one

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It's just mush

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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it's a responsible thing to do to protect people from themselves when they reuse passwords

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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For some reason I thought they involved potato

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Also be sure to use a different salt for all passwords.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Okay so

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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yup

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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I'm confused how salts are generated then

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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@stark prawn the salt can be a function of the password or anything else, as long as it is deterministic and can be calculated whenever.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Why bother to use a different salt for all passwords?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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@undone berry Rainbow tables

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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So you can't make a table for your dtabase.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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But the rainbow table is only relevant if another service used the same salt no?

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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If you use the same salt and it gets compromised, you then expose all of your password hashes, which anymore is just as bad as keeping plaintext

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Exactly.

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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If you have a different salt for each entry you can only crack one at a time, instead of your enitre database at once.

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Which if you have millions of users matters a lot.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Am I thinking correctly?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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@stark prawn but the function might get exposed which calculates the salt

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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That doesn't matter.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I guess that make sense

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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@plucky ridge Right, yes.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Coo

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Yep

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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@stark prawn you have to be able to calculate the salt whenever you want. the function has be somewhere stored.

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If you know the salt for everything is "yolo", you're just gonna hardcode the salt as "yolo" and keep calculating

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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You can just save the salt plaintext alongside the hash.

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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If the function is exposed, but all you have is the salted hash in the first place, then you still won't be able to reverse it

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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It would be the same as a rainbow attack, more or less

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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You'd have to brute force to get the hashes and THEN crack those hashes

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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@plucky ridge but then you can still guess the thing as long as you do your guesses through the salt function

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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@plucky ridge Most services use random salts still, but it should be generated based on the password ideally

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then the salt doesn't have to be stored separately either

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Is what Hemlock said correct? Assuming you use abc as a salt, you can't see the hashes of the unsalted password. The only thing your exposing yourself to is a specific rainbow table which has used abc as a salt

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Sure, but my point is that you're making exponentially larger work

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Which is good

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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@plucky ridge the rainbow tables already exist, so you only have to linearly go through them and recalculate them.

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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I think charlie

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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I might entirely be wrong on all of it honestly

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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assuming the input for the salting function exists in your hands

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Back later, I've got a delivery run that needs a runnin

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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password = getpass("Gimme ur pass: ")

salt = create_salt_for(password)
hash = get_hash(f"{salt}{password}")

check_hash(get_hash_from_db(), hash)

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Which, if you're storing passwords at all, use argon2 - https://passlib.readthedocs.io/en/stable/lib/passlib.hash.argon2.html

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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@undone berry you need a seperate rainbow table per salt, so if you have a different salt for each password you can't use a rainbow table for your database.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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otherwise your passwords argon?

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Well played

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Yes

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 PM

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The current recommendation for password hashing is PBKDF2 actually

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Or

password = getpass("Gimme ur pass: ")

salt = get_salt_for_login(login)
hash = get_hash(f"{salt}{password}")

check_hash(get_hash_from_db(), hash)```

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:18 PM

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No, use the password

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that way they can't get the salt from the db either

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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I mean, if the implementation is bad, which is the most current case

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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I believe argon2 is better, considering it's design was specifically for passwords.

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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argon2 is not suitable for storing passwords

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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How so?

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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yeah, hang on, I'm finding you the explanation

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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This hash provides support for the Argon2 [1] password hash. Argon2(i) is a state of the art memory-hard password hash, and the winner of the 2013 Password Hashing Competition [2]. It has seen active development and analysis in subsequent years, and while young, and is intended to replace pbkdf2_sha256, bcrypt, and scrypt.
https://passlib.readthedocs.io/en/stable/lib/passlib.hash.argon2.html

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I think I'm slightly misunderstanding what exactly a rainbow table is - they're a big ole pile of precomputed hashes right, if so, where do they come from? Just the same as a brute force attack but with hashing done as well?

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Using a function to generate the salt wouldn't be that much better than using random salts would it?
Since if you are able to get into the database you can probably get the function aswell.

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Rainbow tables are tables of input -> hash

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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ah, no, that was a typo in the article lol

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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They're just calculated

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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they go on to recommend argon2 at the end

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but called it unsuitable at the start

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Huh, weird

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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So by doing input + salt -> hash you prevent the use of existing tables.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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I was gonna say, argon2 is great

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Sounds like weird clickbait

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Scrypt, Bcrypt and Argon2. …and yes, MD5, SHA1, SHA256 are not suitable for storing passwords!

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Sure, but assuming you use a massive salt - its pretty unlikely that there's going to be precomputed tables right?

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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In 2019 I’d recommend not to use PBKDF2 or BCrypt in the future and highly recommend Argon2 (preferrably Argon2id) for newer systems.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Its still less secure, but it seems pretty secure

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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SHAs are too easy to compute

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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rot13 or bust

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:22 PM

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rot26 plz

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:22 PM

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rot13, twice

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:22 PM

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It's mostly about the speed of computation @undone berry

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you want a slow algorithm

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otherwise the salt doesn't really matter

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:23 PM

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The problem with generating salts based on the password is that two users with the same passwords end up with the same hash, as opposed to when you use random salts.

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:24 PM

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You could generate a salt using a randomly generated value and the derived password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:24 PM

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@solid pollen then you would have to save the randomly generated value

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Whats the benefit of that though?

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oh no

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I get it

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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The benefit is that if they manage to crack the password of one user, they won't have the other one aswell.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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but then you would have one salted password and one plaintext password. the user would have two passwords essentially.

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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what?

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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the other plaintext password would lock the "real password"

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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At what point do you just stop caring about security - random salts + hashing?

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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you don't

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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DO you need to go any further

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:26 PM

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I mean by the sounds of it it's probably a good idea to have two salts

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a random one and one based on the password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:26 PM

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so let's say salt = function(password, random_thing)

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we need to be able to calculate this function whenever the user logs in

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I mean, yeah, but that isn't hard

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:27 PM

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that isn't hard

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but that means we need to know both the password and the random_thing

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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well we get the password from the user

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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It isn't hard either

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Well, random_thing is just the same as a normal salt col in a a db

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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yeah

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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what

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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column, charlie

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Yeah, I just realised

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I have no idea how I consistently get col/row mixed up

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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okay so you create some random mush into the DB for every user

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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same with vertical/horizontal, I always say the wrong one

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Yes, that's the standard way to do salts nowadays afaik.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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but that just means that if we now leak the database

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every user will have (username, salted_password, mush)

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Yes

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well, not salted_password, the hash of the salted_password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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but the mush is plaintext. we don't need to crack that

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so it's irrelevant

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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login, password = get_credentials()

first_salt = db.get_user(login).salt
second_salt = create_salt(password)

hash = create_hash(f"{first_salt}/{second_salt}/{password}")

if hash != db.get_user(login).hash:
    print("https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGp9P6QvMjY")

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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You may misunderstand the point of a salt.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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@stark prawn no. I fully understand it.

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Its to prevent rainbow tables, and to prevent two users having the same pw hash

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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$argon2id$v=19$m=102400,t=2,p=8$CKFUyrnX2pvz3pvzfg/h/A$A6poNmWE2pFCj9DweAe+EQ is a valid argon2 hash using passlib

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okay I guess

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:31 PM

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It's not a problem if they have the salt.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:31 PM

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but now they only need to recalibrate their rainbow table

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based on the mush

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Sure, and that'll take how long?

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Thats the same as bruteforcing the password

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Which takes months if not years.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:31 PM

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hmm

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The whole point of strong hashing + salts is to buy you time if it gets leaked

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:33 PM

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If you use a single salt for all passwords or a deterministic function to generate one, you could create a new rainbow table for that specific database.
If you have random salts you have to bruteforce them all individually.

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:34 PM

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but there's still a difference between knowing the salt and not knowing the salt

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 3:34 PM

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If you have random salts+salt based on password, then a rainbow table is pretty much completely infeasible right? Assuming your function never gets leaked, which it would

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Whether you know the random salt doesn't matter. Do you have somebody once told me in this specific hashing algo, plus this specific salt?

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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even if the function does get leaked though, they can't get the salt based on the password without the password

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Strongly doubt it 😄

stark prawn Mar 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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@sand goblet youi can calculate the salt while bruteforcing.

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Making it the same as a static salt for the purpose of creating a table

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Scott get out

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That's in my head

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 3:37 PM

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perhaps we need some lemon jelly

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKMg2o4hOoo

YouTube

Morgoth143

Lemon Jelly - Elements (Lost Horizons)

Lemon Jelly - Elements
(Lost Horizons)

▶ Play video

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Compiling Unreal is slooooowww

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I.... accidentally pressed CTRL + C

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Can you believe it..

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I just wanted to copy those horrible filenames

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[366/1878] Compile Module.Persona.4_of_4.cpp
[367/1878] Compile Module.Persona.2_of_4.cpp```

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Wonder if they're autogenerated

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Aww, persona....

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:58 PM

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I am having an online maths class about imaginary numbers

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And I cant see shit

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:58 PM

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You missing your i's?

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https://tenor.com/xAYT.gif

Tenor

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:58 PM

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I really despise of online classes

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it is very not learn-y

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I think I've only ever passed like 1 online class

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I'm terrible about remembering to do them

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I don't have the discipline

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I am having an online class cause corona time

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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When you say it that way it just makes me think you're kicking back having a crappy beer

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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That is kinda exactly what I am doing

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Is it a Corona?

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Because that would be perfect

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I love Corona Beer

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I only drink that on summer

plucky ridge Mar 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I go back and forth with it

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Sometimes I love it others I just can't even drink it

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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(Persona is the ue4 animation editor btw lemon_pleased )

wind karma Mar 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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In my country it is expensive as fuck to drink beer in beach

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one bottle of corona costs 5 euros

lime jungle Mar 17, 2020, 4:09 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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is this all there is to searching using BFS?

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just going left to right top to bottom?

fervent dock Mar 17, 2020, 4:11 PM

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it just means that starting at S, you can see 3 nodes: A, B, and C, and BFS will visit those three first

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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https://imgur.com/gallery/WsYb1og

Imgur

The Quarantini

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Of course someone did this haha

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Oh yes haha

wheat lynx Mar 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I am definitely going to use this when I wash my hands

📎 2586003483605860352.png

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Although I have a feeling i would end up using lots of soap...

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 6:08 PM

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i can't find any information on this - how did people deal with quarantine back in the old days? like, aiui it used to be common before there were vaccines for a household to be quarantined if someone got measles or whatever, how did they get food, how did they deal with not being able to work etc

solid pollen Mar 17, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Stay home and pray?

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Back in the days, it was okay if the whole country stopped working

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Now it is not

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 6:11 PM

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There was no clear cut single method. It varied based on country and time. Some just died

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The bubonic plague was much worse than covid

sinful copper Mar 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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well, yeah, i'm wondering about those who didn't die of the disease, like how did they get food in etc

undone berry Mar 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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One village that quarantined itself would trade by leaving goods at the edge of the quarantine zone. In Italy at some point of other the quarantined had wine delivered to their houses (I assume with food). I'm not sure on a specific source for details, most of this I picked up from random bits on the radio

honest yacht Mar 17, 2020, 6:42 PM

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:p

restive ledge Mar 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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pascal's triangle is awesome

thorn snow Mar 17, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Being in IT is like being a girl sometimes, because you can say "I got a nice rack"

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Man, I have to remember that no one else in my life cares about programming to the extent that I do. I talk about it too much, because I spend so much time thinking about it, and people tolerate it for a while and then are like, "I HAVE NO IDEA WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PLEASE STOP" lol (maybe in nicer words)

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It makes me be like ehhh... why am I like this. I wouldn't survive without these communities. But I have to remember I cant talk about the things I do with most people.

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Not just because they dont care, but they will do this thing where they thing Im trying to flex on them sometimes.

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idk. I just gotta remember to keep it to myself.

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 7:25 PM

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It's a know your audience thing

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:25 PM

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yeah...

sand goblet Mar 17, 2020, 7:25 PM

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I do occasionally come across people that understand programming IRL though

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Also people that pretend to

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But screw those people

rough sapphire Mar 17, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Some people are even interested for a while, they are curious to know this or that despite no interest in pursuit of doing it. Which I think is okay and contributes to people having a better understanding of software that they would otherwise.

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But yeah. I'm just overly obsessive.