ot1-perplexing-regexing

[upper sand]

tbh it really depends on how much u want it

[sand goblet]

Want what?

[upper sand]

make that idea real ?

[sand goblet]

Oh

Well, it was never about me, really

We had a "prototype" which was essentially a flash game I found that did what I was thinking of, but with an entirely different target

The girl I had testing the idea is still using that, and it still helps

but yeah, I dunno

even if I did go for it, I'd never find a team

[upper sand]

i mean like u never know unless u try it

[sand goblet]

I mean that statement has been consistent with my 11+ years of software experience haha

it doesn't matter how cool your project is

people don't want to help

they might give you all the praise in the world, but they just make excuses, even if they have the expertise and money is involved

besides, most of the work is graphical, math-heavy code - none of which I have the ability to wrap my head around

[upper sand]

i guess they gonna look hwo much they can benefit from it too and if it really align with their interests

[sand goblet]

I mean if it didn't align with their interests, they're being kind of disingenuous with their praise haha

[upper sand]

exactly haha sometimes ppl praise just to be on ur good side lol

no matter how much shit u produce

[sand goblet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, it's probably not going to happen, like most of my projects

programming is really just a hobby at this point

[upper sand]

u never know ayee time changes ppl

wish i could make programming my hobby and get really good at it haha
anyways gtg thnx bud

[sand goblet]

Later, o/

[gusty oar]

hmm interesting . in code everywhere is "public" "private" 😄

[wind karma]

@sand goblet Wait you were fucking offered an MIT scholarship?

[sand goblet]

Yep

Like I say, for my idea, not for my skills

[wind karma]

Still amazing

[sand goblet]

They'd have made bank with that project

[wind karma]

I am currently in graduation year

And I wish I got an MIT scholarship

[sand goblet]

It's a bit overrated I think

[wind karma]

Well I live in Greece, CS unis in Greece are next to nothing

The computers they run there are 2005 dells

[sand goblet]

That's the case for most unis to be fair

[wind karma]

Hmm, I was thinking of going to Scotland since they have free tuition for EU students but I am still not sure. Also the exams for the unis will be postponed to around July probably and I am very very sad about it, the part of our edu system that handles students' introduction to universities is infamous for its difficulty

And I am not the kind of student to sit and read maths, Id rather make websites and programs all day

[gusty oar]

do u think this seedbox OK ?

[sand goblet]

I like how you're essentially asking about a piracy tool

haha

[wind karma]

😄

[gusty oar]

😄 seedbox is not only piracy

i can download legit things

😄

[sand goblet]

Yeah, I know

but that's probably not why people are paying for seedboxes

haha

[wind karma]

Opinions on ASP.NET?

[sand goblet]

eeeeeeeh

[wind karma]

Is it not that good?

[sand goblet]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

you probably don't want to use it

[wind karma]

Why not tho?

[sand goblet]

purely because of how antiquated it is, I'd say

we have a lot of better options these days

[wind karma]

I have been told at times that the spaghetti code chance is close to 0 because of C# structure

[gusty oar]

but that's probably not why people are paying for seedboxes
@sand goblet sssh 😄

[rough sapphire]

@gusty oar Could we not

[wind karma]

@viral parrot sorry for pinging, is there an option for dual monitor on manjaro?

Oh nvm found it

Wait wtf

I swapped the screens

And all the things I click in the first appear in the second

[frosty berry]

you might want to set your main screen as the other one

[wind karma]

Oh ok

thanks

[lime gazelle]

is it correct to say that, given a (x,y) position, where x is the col and y is the row in my sudoku, I can say that the coordinate of the cell the number is in is x//3,y//3?

assuming each "block" is a 3x3 and i index them 0..2

so the 3 blocks on the 1st row are (0,0) (0,1) (0,2)

or rather (0,0) (1,0) (2.0)

with that, could I then say if num not in sudoku[3*x:3*x+2][3*y:3*y+2]

[wheat lynx]

You can't index a list like that, a numpy array would be an way around that, or a simpler option would be to loop over the x and y values with a for loop and index each value and check individually if that makes sense

[lime gazelle]

Yeah, I'm using ndarrays

[wheat lynx]

It should also be x+3 and y+3

[terse sluice]

nice kiwi! manjaro is pretty great

[lime gazelle]

well no

it starts from 0

so 0,1,2

[wheat lynx]

My pc just crashed

[wind karma]

:d

[wheat lynx]

The second value is non inclusive though

[lime gazelle]

it's not?

I thought it was

yeah you're right 😦

my slice notation doesn't work

[wheat lynx]

One sec while my PC loads back up...

[wind karma]

I added an intel optane ssd on my pc the other week

And windows load on around 2secs

[wheat lynx]

And then there is me with my 6yo HDD

[undone berry]

SSDs are so cheap now

[wind karma]

Hmm idk

[undone berry]

you can get a 64gb one for like £13

which is all you need for Windows

[wind karma]

intel optanes are fairly expensive

[terse sluice]

they're insanely cheap these days (i mean ssds)

[undone berry]

Last I looked optanes aren't tangibly better than normal m.2s/sata

[wind karma]

0_0

Yea idk I just had a deep desire to buy an optane

I used to code on a 2009 macbook

[terse sluice]

i just bought a 1tb ssd lol

[wind karma]

up until like 9 months ago

[lime gazelle]

ok

I got it 😄

print(sud[0*3:(0*3)+3,0*3:(0*3)+3])

[undone berry]

Something like this for just Windows+Pycharm/another program you use regularly makes a PC so much more usable IMO https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT120BX500SSD1Z-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B07G3L3DRK/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=128gb+solid+state+drive&qid=1584288148&sr=8-4

[wind karma]

that is what I have for coding programs

and only optane for windows

[wheat lynx]

Im thinking I might save up and get a quality laptop

[lime gazelle]

I'm not dumb!!

[wind karma]

get a macbook pro

[lime gazelle]

Get a refurbished macbook

[wind karma]

my next purchase will be that

[lime gazelle]

it's so cheap

[undone berry]

High quality laptops are like 1400£

[lime gazelle]

you can get them refurbished, they're super duper cheap

If you don't mind minor blemishes

[undone berry]

I'll probably buy an XPS 13 in a year or two, but right now you can get very good laptops for like 400/500£

[wheat lynx]

My budget will be about £1000, which is enough for something pretty decent

[lime gazelle]

build your own laptop

[undone berry]

Depends on how you define decent I guess - what do you want it to do?

Building your own laptop is a pretty rubbish idea

[terse sluice]

that's plenty to get a good laptop

[lime gazelle]

Why?

building your own pc is a super awesome idea

[undone berry]

Its more expensive than a prebuilt, and generally lower quality

[lime gazelle]

oh

it's not the same as a desktop?

[undone berry]

no, not at all

[pine vector]

the laptop component market is rather limited.

[terse sluice]

and would be quite difficult to put together one

[undone berry]

Yeah, much harder to physically put together than a PC

[lime gazelle]

Ow

[undone berry]

also - prebuilt PCs are pretty much on par with custom building at this point

at least if you spend enough time lookign for one

[wheat lynx]

Well I don't do gaming so I probably don't even need a GPU, I just want to be able to run discord, pycharm, firefox and probably something else at the same time quickly

[lime gazelle]

You need a gpu

It's always nice to have

[terse sluice]

well you're going to get a gpu at that price range anyway

[undone berry]

But you can get £~400 laptops that do that

[lime gazelle]

get an ultrabook!

[terse sluice]

ultrabooks are great and surprisingly pretty powerful for their size

[undone berry]

It depends on the kind of laptop you go for - but a thin+light in that price range often won't have a GPU

[lime gazelle]

wookie said they won't need it

Also, pretty sure the surface has a gpu

[wheat lynx]

I'm not getting a surface

[lime gazelle]

Owh

[terse sluice]

i've seen many ultrabooks coming with mx150s around £800ish

[lime gazelle]

Ultrabooks are 1k€+ here

[undone berry]

LIke what @terse sluice ?

Most I see have Intel graphics

[pine vector]

if ultrabook, like Charlie, I'd go XPS. having proven linux ability is hard to pass up. 😄

[undone berry]

The XPS 13/15 look great - and they were recently refreshed

[lime gazelle]

what's the price for an XPS?

[undone berry]

but I'm not sure I'd be considering it til I was at the point where I really didn't care about that amount of money

[terse sluice]

lemme find one

[pine vector]

i'll say this though: the higher-end Inspirons are really close to the XPSes, and cheaper.

[undone berry]

I looked the other day. 1400-1700gbp seemed to be the price for decent ones (XPSs)

[rough sapphire]

that or about three and a half rolls of toilet paper

[lime gazelle]

I have an inspiron 15 5000 series

It's not..that bad.

[wheat lynx]

I don't think i really need an ultrabook, I'd rather get something a little cheaper and a little faster as size doesn't really matter to me. I want it to be a long term investment so I guess a GPU could be useful at some point. I haven't really looked into it much yet though

[undone berry]

What would you want a laptop for?

[wind karma]

Well I would buy a macbook 100%

[pine vector]

i wanted an XPS, but you lose so many ports...

[wind karma]

very reliable

[undone berry]

As in what would be your usecase? Unless you're moving a lot, a £400 laptop and a £600 desktop seems like a better investment

[lime gazelle]

Macbooks are only worth it if they're refurbished

not used, used they cost a lot still

[undone berry]

investment is the wrong word

but you get the idea

[lime gazelle]

refurbished is super cheap

[rough sapphire]

just don't buy a mac. ever.

[undone berry]

I only think macbooks are worth it if you like the OS

[lime gazelle]

And if you need to develop for apple products

[undone berry]

Or that

[pine vector]

OS

entire apple ecosystem, imo. 😄

[undone berry]

Yeah, thats true

[rough sapphire]

apple should not exist and steve jobs should have choked on one. ohh, he did.

[undone berry]

Apple Products are fine

and the hate for them

is vastly overblown

[rough sapphire]

the hate I have for that is that it's 100% pure capitalism.

[pine vector]

i mean...that's just wrong. i don't like Apple, but they do serve a viable market.

[rough sapphire]

apple is pure marketing.

[pine vector]

i hope you limit yourself to OpenBSD and GNU programs... 😉

[undone berry]

Thats not true. Their OS can be very nice to use, their products are generally of a relatively high quality

[wheat lynx]

Hmm, I feel like there are some things I would do if my computer could actually handle them (e.g. simple photo editing/maybe blender sort of stuff?) but tbh I don't really know. My main focus would be speed for simple programs with lots of multitasking.

[rough sapphire]

@undone berry I don't disagree.

but that doesn't mean that "let's make our headphones wireless" isn't a 100% marketing decision

it's stupid no matter how you put it.

[undone berry]

I see the wirless headphones thing as the same as their approach to USB

I think wireless headphones are probably the future

and apple pushing that is fine

[wind karma]

tbh

I cnat live without airpods

I use them 24/7

[undone berry]

their headphones are also of a good quality

[rough sapphire]

the headphones can be good quality yes

but that doesn't mean you CAN NOT have both

[undone berry]

No, but its not difficult to have wired headphones on the iphone whatever

the jack thing is/was blown out of proportion

[rough sapphire]

it's 100% marketing. it's 100% apple being apple.

[undone berry]

(and is also being done by other manufacturers)

It is apple being apple. But that isn't a bad thing

[pine vector]

also, having multiple open holes in a phone case decreases "dropped in toilet" survivability. 😄

[rough sapphire]

it smells like bullshit and it is bullshit

[lime gazelle]

Honestly? Apple has shitty hardware

Like for real

[undone berry]

"We have a thing most users will like. Lets push users towards that" Is no more of a marketing decision than pretty much any other thing a company does

[lime gazelle]

you pay 1k € for a phone that I paid 200 for

same specs. The Iphone XR

[undone berry]

No

[lime gazelle]

same specs as a xiamoni note 8t

Yes

[undone berry]

its not the same specs

[lime gazelle]

Worse camera

Same memory

same ram

[terse sluice]

well nevermind i can't find one 😄 i guess the laptop market has changed since i bought my laptop

[lime gazelle]

similar processor

[undone berry]

A) its not the same specs because yours doesn't support IOS which is a major feature B) no other manufacturer uses apple CPUs

[lime gazelle]

Come on

[rough sapphire]

I'm not saying apple can't be doing their thing but people are allowing that company to get away with anything while the only reason they are doing any of this is to maximize profits while making up bullshit excuses

[undone berry]

C) absolute bullshit that your camera is equivalent

[lime gazelle]

Supporting IOS and having a worse CPU doesn't justify 5 times the price

[wind karma]

With macos u can develop ios and android

[lime gazelle]

My camera is 48 MP

[wind karma]

with evcerything else

only android

[lime gazelle]

Iphone XR is shit

[undone berry]

MP isn't the only measure of camera quality

The Iphone camera is very good

[wind karma]

True

[lime gazelle]

I'm trying to find photo samples

[undone berry]

Also - the hardware matters jack shit to normal users. The only thing that matters is how nice it is to use

and the iphone is very nice to use

[lime gazelle]

You're implying the note 8t isn't nice to use

[undone berry]

No I'm not

[lime gazelle]

also, again, that doesn't justify 1k price

[undone berry]

Yes it does. Sinking shit tonnes into make your device pretty and easy to use justifies the price

[lime gazelle]

I mean...we have different philosophies here

To me, it's not justified

300 maybe. 400.

but not 1k.

[primal spruce]

there's 2 things at play here Andrea

[undone berry]

You're also just wrong about the CPU

the Apple CPUs are pretty good

and no other manufacturer uses them

[primal spruce]

First is this: are you the kind of person who looks at price to performance? if you are, you're spot on. Apple price isn't giving enough performance for the price. they never do.

[undone berry]

There's a reason all the flagship phones are a similar price

[terse sluice]

i wouldn't particularly trust xiaomi

[crimson sphinx]

good tutorial to learn this python ?????????????????????

[undone berry]

apple is in line with all the others

[primal spruce]

The second is this: are you interested in absolute quality? If so, You have to admit, apple does give "something extra" with their smooth experience

It's not nearly enough to justify the price bump if you were optimizing price to performance, but it IS something extra

[lime gazelle]

I'm not saying they don't

They do, but that doesn't justify the markup

[undone berry]

Yeah. Out of the box, I think I'd prefer an Iphone to a Galaxy S-whatever it is now

[rough sapphire]

@primal spruce "absolute quality"..?

[primal spruce]

which means for people who care about "Absolute better", it's their preference

@rough sapphire well, basically quality without context of price. it's a poor phrase, but i wasnt sure how else to phrase it

"just performance" i suppose

[rough sapphire]

@primal spruce I think I understand what you mean by this quality. it's the sense of what happens when you're using this device as a person who doesn't know the difference between space bar and "any key"

[primal spruce]

pretty much

and there's nothing wrong with that.

no point belittling it, some people just want an amazing "out of the box" experience. they don't really care if it costs them an arm and a leg extra to get it

[rough sapphire]

i suppose some people do.

[primal spruce]

"the cost of the premium experience" so to speak

[lime gazelle]

Also, let's be honest, you can buy an actual camera for less than an iphone and it will make better photos, imho

[primal spruce]

Absolutely Andrea

[glacial owl]

Performance IS nice to use. When i use the phone, i'm concerned with how fast the apps load, does it need to shut down apps (including Chrome full of tabs) to free RAM and does it turn into overheated brick when i try to play some google play game.

[undone berry]

no one is going to carry around an actual camera

People want to be able to take good photos on the go

[rough sapphire]

for me that "out of the box experience" means usually "this won't let me do what I Want to do"

[primal spruce]

Cause the moment you consider "price" in the equation, nothing makes sense. apple does charge an insane premium

@rough sapphire same 😛

[lime gazelle]

Apple can charge an insane premium

even for repairs

[primal spruce]

Also, im personally a price to performance guy.

[undone berry]

Apple's premium is on par with Samsung's, Huawei's, and Google's

they just don't make low end phones though

[lime gazelle]

No?

[undone berry]

yes

[primal spruce]

Lately, yes

[lime gazelle]

Are we talking about price alone?

Or price and specs?

[undone berry]

Price and specs

[rough sapphire]

oh god I'm gonna shit my pants. this means covid doesn't it

[undone berry]

The Iphone is on par with the other flagships in all meaningful specs

[primal spruce]

rofl

[undone berry]

meaningful specs being screen quality, camera quality, and that the CPU/Ram doesn't shit the bed

[primal spruce]

Like, for me, i have a simple litmus test. just look at the so called "flagship killers"

you'll notice the spec differences just about disappear after a certain point

[undone berry]

Have there been any since the early Oneplus phones?

[lime gazelle]

I feel like the xiaomi are very good bang for your buck

[primal spruce]

Sort of, but not quite as groundbreaking as original Oneplus were

look at realme x2 pro, and redmi k20 pro

[undone berry]

yeah, but we're not talking about bang for your buck

Only about flagships

because thats the only thing Apple sell

[primal spruce]

they are the flagship killers of 2019

[undone berry]

Can't compare a cheap phone to a flagship

Are they both Chinese?

[primal spruce]

yep yep

[undone berry]

Damn - its been so long since a non-Chinese brand entered into things

I guess it makes sense tho

[primal spruce]

aye

cause it's their manufacturing lineup

[undone berry]

Yeah, nowhere else in the world has as much infrastructure for making phones

[rough sapphire]

mmhmm should write some code

[primal spruce]

hehe

[wind karma]

Any ideas for an app

?

[primal spruce]

but yeah, so the main thing i was trying to get across

[wind karma]

I am so bored rn

Literally will create anything

[undone berry]

Make an app where people can submit ideas for you to make

and can vote on them and shit

[rough sapphire]

@wind karma write the fisher-yates shuffler.

[lime gazelle]

Make an app that tells you how fast you're going

[wind karma]

Ok

@undone berry 5000iq

[primal spruce]

take the price of a flagship killer. take the price of a flagship from a premium brand. since the specs are just about the same: the gap is purely taxes + "margin for the premium/price for the research"

[wind karma]

Fisheryates

Is the hardest thing on earth

[undone berry]

(I actually started that project once - and gave up halfway through as with every other project)

[rough sapphire]

@wind karma getting it 100% correct

[wind karma]

Haha

I should make an app that is generally idea posting

Not only for me

Haha

[undone berry]

Make a Discord bot with a web control panel

[wind karma]

Already done that

[terse sluice]

make a clone of discord

[primal spruce]

make an app that generates and posts ideas by itself for you to use.

[rough sapphire]

@wind karma write a PRNG

[undone berry]

There's always features you can add to that

[wind karma]

@terse sluice I have actually programmed to create that in the future

[lime gazelle]

why is the fisher-yates hard?

[undone berry]

make an app that generates and posts ideas by itself for you to use.
Now thats the real 5000iq

[lime gazelle]

It looks fairly straight forward

[wind karma]

Hahaha true

[rough sapphire]

@lime gazelle it's not really hard but it's easy to mess up.

[terse sluice]

hahaha

[wind karma]

^^

[lime gazelle]

uh

Back to the sudoku I guess

[primal spruce]

what's the fisher yates? o.o

oh lol

[lime gazelle]

I already forgot the big brain idea that I had 😦

Should write them down somewhere

[wind karma]

So

[primal spruce]

we've got to get your sudoku finished haha

[rough sapphire]

the fisher-yates is just how you shuffle anything

[wind karma]

I will make a discord clone for uploading ideas that can also get generated together and are shuffled usiong the fisheryates algorithm

[lime gazelle]

with blackjack and..

can I say it?

[wind karma]

Sure

[lime gazelle]

or is it not allowed?

[rough sapphire]

↪️

[undone berry]

it is allowed

I don't know what it is

[wind karma]

True

[undone berry]

but I'm pretty sure it is allowed

[wind karma]

Haha

[rough sapphire]

↩️

[lime gazelle]

Nobody of you watched futurama?

[undone berry]

o

hookers

[primal spruce]

oh i see

[lime gazelle]

Yeah

[wind karma]

Hahaha

[primal spruce]

also, havent seen futurama 😦

[wind karma]

I will get on working with the idea website

/app

[lime gazelle]

Well, onto the sudoku for real!!! Also, has anyone done anything for pi day?

[undone berry]

You must have seen the "I'll go and make my own XXX with blackjack and hookers" memes

[wind karma]

Ah not really

[primal spruce]

what i did for pi was finally realise why pi was chosen to be this day

like, i can't believe it took me this long D:

[wind karma]

3/14

haha

[undone berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94qrgxH35M

[lime gazelle]

Nice 😄

[primal spruce]

in my defense, i blame murica for putting month before day

[undone berry]

first 13 seconds of that

[lime gazelle]

Also we need a tau day

[wind karma]

😉

[rough sapphire]

=tex 2\pi

[undone berry]

no one gives a toss about tau

[lime gazelle]

do we have a tau day?

:I

[vestal briar]

One of my top moments of that show

[undone berry]

Its literally the second episode and so memorable

[vestal briar]

annnnd... blackjack! annnndd.... hookers!!

[undone berry]

I'm surprised

[lime gazelle]

tau is 2*pi

so it's double the awesome of pi

[rough sapphire]

pi = circumference / diameter so

[wind karma]

pi = 22/7 🙂

[rough sapphire]

diameter = 2*radius

[wind karma]

so

22/7 = circumference/diameter always

[rough sapphire]

tau = 2*pi = circumference / diameter = circumference / (2 * radius)

[wind karma]

so 22*radius/7 = circumfmerence always

wow

[rough sapphire]

so tau could be defined naturally as circumference / radius

[lime gazelle]

http://pi.fathom.info/

[primal spruce]

well, @wind karma never exactly. if 22/7 was circumference by dia exactly, then pi wouldnt be irrational now would it 😛

[wind karma]

22/7 is Pi though

[primal spruce]

it's an approximation of pi

[wind karma]

eh

very very very close

[lime gazelle]

you shall not approximate pi

jk

[rough sapphire]

no but seriously if circumference/radius is tau

that just makes so much more sense

tau is a much better constant than pi

given that tau = 2*pi and well the number 2pi is almost everywhere (and even in radians the full circle is 2 pi and not pi)

[primal spruce]

well, in equations you'll find pi more than tau

[rough sapphire]

yeah but you should find 2pi

[wind karma]

a new project just launched @undone berry thanks for idea

[undone berry]

To make it more interesting - you should use new tech. I'd suggest FastAPI+React/another-js-framework-that-you-haven't-yet-used

[wind karma]

Hmm

Not flask? :/

TIL you can make html comments using:

[undone berry]

No, thats just jinja

[wind karma]

Ah

[undone berry]

Actual HTML comments are something like <!-- -->

[wind karma]

Cause I pressed ctrl + ?

HTML comments are <!-- -->

[rough sapphire]

motherf---er. i just saw a cat play jenga on reddit.

[wind karma]

Haha

thats the spirit

[rough sapphire]

Weird way to start that, but okay

@rough sapphire did you know that cats can play jenga

Animals can do a lot

well this guy is pretty good at it https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/fj0qyo/rage_quit/

[undone berry]

I love that the owner is rolling with it

thats great

[rough sapphire]

🐈

[wind karma]

How can I align a bootstrap button

I have tried to style it, create a wrapper div, margin it, w/e it doesnt work 😦

nvm, actually doing margin-left: 50%; worked

[viral parrot]

@wind karma yes, i have three monitors 😄

[wind karma]

Aye nice

I fixed it, although I am still developing on pycharm haha

[frosty berry]

22/7 has barely 3 digits of precision as a pi approximation, and it's 3 digits to remember, that's useless, just learn the digits (and a couple more).

[rough sapphire]

@frosty berry Deleted message?

🥧

[frosty berry]

i was answering to the earlier discussion about 22/7 as a pi approximation

but yeah that was over an hour ago

[rough sapphire]

I didn't see it, so figured it was something that got deleted 😄

given that you only have to remember 22 and 7, and you get 4 meaningful digits (3.141) out of it, it's pretty good

Realistically no one is going to remember that though

[wheat lynx]

I remember 3.1415926545 (unless that is wrong in which case i remember less)

[rough sapphire]

I remember numpy.pi and that has been so far good enough

[wheat lynx]

The longest number I remember is probably the new 999 phone number for emergencies (01189998819991197253)

[frosty berry]

i remember 3.1415926535897932384626 but that's way more than i'll ever need

i did learn the first hundred with some app at some point, but i quickly forgot most of it

[wheat lynx]

That is a lot but some of the world records for memory honestly amaze me

[lime gazelle]

I'm so close to havign a sudoku!!!

[frosty berry]

22/7.
3.142857142857143

[lime gazelle]

Oh

Didn't notice the chat, sorry

[frosty berry]

so no, you don't even get 4 digits of precision

this fraction approximation is trash, and since i've seen a few people thinking it was either exactly pi (!) or a pretty good approximation of it, i think people should just stop teaching it

[wheat lynx]

Pi is exactly 3!

[undone berry]

Assuming you're trying to measure how much room your completely circular 3m radius couch takes up - there's an error of 2.5cm using 22/7 vs 3.14159

thats pretty acceptable

[frosty berry]

that's the law in some US state 😛 (although it was not really fully voted, and never will)

yeah, but why not just remember 3.14 if that's all you are going to use? that's just as many digits to remember than 22/7 and less work to use

(also i think you meant cm²)

[undone berry]

actually - thats a pretty good point. 3.14 is just as easy to remember as 22/7

I did mean cm2, I just couldn't do the superscript two so ignored the problem (my default approach to problems)

[frosty berry]

😄

[wheat lynx]

I remember a figure that is something like 40 digits of pi are needed to calculate the circumference of the universe to within a cm

[undone berry]

iirc its 10 or 40 digits yeah

I think Nasa operate on 40 digits of pi at max

[wheat lynx]

Actually its 39 to within the width of a hydrogen atom haha

[frosty berry]

i think i did check that what i remember was approximately good enough for the galaxy to a cm yeah

certainly good enough for whatever i'll need it for

and it's not like i'm ever going to compute that manually, so if i use a computer, it'll know a a better approximation anyway

[wheat lynx]

Yet people still decided they wanted to calculate pi to over 30 trillion digits or whatever the record is now

[rough sapphire]

Sounds like it passed any level of useful a long time ago

[frosty berry]

we might find a sequence some day? that would be pretty ground breaking 😄

(but i think it's been prooved to be irrational at this point)

[graceful basin]

ye, there is some proof out there

[glacial owl]

It's a pretty useful benchmark for some stuff

[lime gazelle]

What should I look for if I want to optimize code?

I've removed unnecessary if statements, unnecessary for loops

[vestal briar]

I can remember 3.14192(4/5)

[tired osprey]

if you want to optimize code for speed the first thing you should be looking for is probably not writing it in python

[vestal briar]

Wasted

[sand goblet]

Classic Nix

Shitting on people from the off

[tired osprey]

im not shitting on people

im shitting on python for not being fast

[vestal briar]

Crusader for the truth

[undone berry]

For a sudoku solver - its pretty obviously fine to write it in Python

[sand goblet]

Your contribution wasn't constructive in the least, Nix

Especially when talking to an obvious beginner

[vestal briar]

I mean

You want optimised code?

[tired osprey]

the question was never for a suoku solver, the question was for optimizing for code

[vestal briar]

Don't use python

[sand goblet]

Nix, is this really the hill you want to die on?

[undone berry]

No, but the answer to "how to optimise code" is dependant on the code. You should have asked. Also - the solution to optimising code isn't completely different code

[tired osprey]

yes

[vestal briar]

Ruuuuun toooo the hiiiillls

[sand goblet]

I don't think he runs fast enough tbh

Anyway

[vestal briar]

Mk

[lime gazelle]

I can't think of anything that I'm doing that it's blatantly wrong

[undone berry]

Can you post your pastebin again?

[sand goblet]

You should try to think about how you can reach the same result with fewer statements

[undone berry]

I'm not exactly good at optimising code, but I'll read it and see if I can see anything obvious

[lime gazelle]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/laqoregacu.py

[tired osprey]

reaching the same result with fewer statements does not necessarily lead to better code performance wise

[undone berry]

Also - another point nix - optimising code can have multiple meanings - the most common meaning is to reduce the time complexity

[tired osprey]

yes

thats why i said

if you want to optimize code for speed

at least read my message before shitting on it

[sand goblet]

Are you going to give some real advice, Nix?

You seem to know exactly how to optimise this

[undone berry]

I mean, in most conversations speed is seen as time complexity

[lime gazelle]

I know the code works for simple sudokus

like a 4x4

where 4 is the number of cells

like blocks, not single cells

[tired osprey]

i mean one problem is that he is using ndarrays in exactly one spot and then casting them to lists, im sure if there were only np arrays in it (i.e. not python btw) it would be faster

[lime gazelle]

so really a 2x2

[sand goblet]

You mean like, 4x4 where each unit is a block of 9 cells?

[undone berry]

(why are you using the third person rather than the second?)

[vestal briar]

Or shove it though py2exe/nuitka and say you've spend many a day optimising

[lime gazelle]

Probably it's better to just visualize, I'm crap at explaining

2x2 big cells, with each cells being composed of 4 smaller ones?

Does it make sense?

[sand goblet]

Right okay

[tired osprey]

@undone berry because this seems much more like a convo betweeen me you and g rahter than me and @lime gazelle

[sand goblet]

Wut

Now you're deliberately excluding people?

[undone berry]

Well, IMO it comes across as rude. Once you're commenting on their code like that, it just comes across as dismissive

I get that you didn't mean that

It just comes across that way

[vestal briar]

Welcome to pydis..

[sand goblet]

I don't have the time nor the crayons

[lime gazelle]

I thought I was being smart with what I did, turns out I'm not

[sand goblet]

I'll take a look at your code when I get to my desk, Andrea

[lime gazelle]

so ok, I'll think about it next week!

[undone berry]

@lime gazelle just so we're clear on what we mean. I see it as a cell is a single digit, a block is a group of 9 digits (3x3), and a grid is a full soduko (9x9 cells, 3x3 blocks)

How much does you code currently work for?

[lime gazelle]

it works for the following:

a 4 digit block, 2x2

a 6 digit block, divided into 2s

if I try and divide the 6 digit block into 3s, it hits recursion depth

[tired osprey]

i mean really, just using ndarrays instead of lists is deifnitely gonna give you a boost, just try it

[lime gazelle]

I'm using ndarrays

[sand goblet]

That much is true yeah

Avoiding lists entirely

[tired osprey]

youre casting them to lists all over the place

[lime gazelle]

I am

for the sets

I can't give ndarray to sets

[sand goblet]

There's no numpy sets?

[lime gazelle]

I don't really know

Also, not casting them to lists works all the same, it seems

so I removed the casting 😄

[undone berry]

IMO its easier to work entirely in the domain of numpy (pain in the ass), or entirely in the domain of normal lists (easier but slower)

[lime gazelle]

the only list I have is the list of all possible numbers for a square

a cell sorry

[undone berry]

I guess thats probably fine then

[lime gazelle]

I should make it a set really

[rough sapphire]

I'm not convinced that solving a 6*6 sudoku is this difficult...

[stark prawn]

The closest is probably np.unique

[lime gazelle]

since they're unique anyway

[rough sapphire]

it's taking forever

[undone berry]

Disadvantage of a set is that you can't use random.choice() with it

[lime gazelle]

yeah

I noticed

[undone berry]

and it would only be a constant time speed up given that its 9 digits

or 6 or whatever

[lime gazelle]

Idk I'm trying to write some good code

[undone berry]

the best code is the code that works

[lime gazelle]

It's working for small grids, not for big ones

so it's not efficient

[rough sapphire]

@lime gazelle there's something weird going on with the code.

it sometimes gets stuck on the 4x4 grid too

[lime gazelle]

fuck

There's a case I'm missing

[rough sapphire]

D:\Temp\Pythonia>python3 solveri.py
[[0 0 0 0]
 [0 0 0 0]
 [0 0 0 0]
 [0 0 0 0]]
[[2 1 3 4]
 [4 3 1 2]
 [1 4 2 3]
 [3 2 4 1]]
Hurray!```

now it just worked

but i ran it a few times more and now it just got stuck

[lime gazelle]

One sec

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/piqawisori.py

[undone berry]

I'll go eat then go find my janky sudoku generator - I remember it was bad that it worked; I just don't know where it is on my laptop (or where my laptop is)

[lime gazelle]

np! Take your time 😄

I hit recursion depth sometimes with a 4x4 too 😦

[rough sapphire]

does this fix it

adding li4

[lime gazelle]

why would I add it?

I want the numbers that are not in the block, row and col

if I add it, I'll get the ones that are in the block

[stark prawn]

You are hitting recursion depth while generating a 4x4 filled out grid?

[lime gazelle]

yes

not always

only sometimes

[stark prawn]

But that's 64 squares.

[rough sapphire]

that just means there's a definite bug

[lime gazelle]

Yeah

[rough sapphire]

no, that's 16 squares.

[stark prawn]

And the default recursion limit is 1000

[lime gazelle]

I'll find the pesky bug

[stark prawn]

16 squares would be a 2x2

[rough sapphire]

this is 2x2 times 2

[stark prawn]

depends on how you define it I guess

Looks like every time you encounter an invalid sudoku you go one deeper with recursion.

[rough sapphire]

oh there was earlier discussion about the rationality\irrationality of pi. yes, pi has been proven to be irrational and transcendental.

[stark prawn]

Which should be something done iterativly.

[lime gazelle]

I've found the bug!

Sort of.

[lime gazelle]

The problem is, it tries to add a number that's already there. But it can't.

It physically can't, the list doesn't have a number

to add

[stark prawn]

The problem is that it recursivly starts a new sudoku if the current one is invalid.

[undone berry]

This was originally for some stupid competition thing, thats why there's the silly menu

[lime gazelle]

@stark prawn the problem is that, apparently, when it does that...it generates the same exact sudoku a bunch of times.

thanks Charlie 😄 I'll give it a look! If I can't find anything on my own!

[stark prawn]

Your system starts with a completely new one every time. And does it completly randomly.

So it can get the same one again.

[undone berry]

I have like no idea what the fuck this code is doing

[lime gazelle]

If it's not a valid sudoku, yeah

[undone berry]

(mine)

[lime gazelle]

Shouldn't it?

It probably shouldn't. Hm.

[undone berry]

I really wish someone could explain my own damn code to me

[lime gazelle]

Where am I doing it wrong? 😦

I'm not selecting numbers that cannot be added, I'm checking what numbers I can add

I don't know what else.

I'm stupid.

[stark prawn]

Don't say that. This is just how you learn.

[lime gazelle]

I know. But I understand where the problem is: I can't add numbers, so the sudoku isn't valid

I can't get around that. I have to start a new sudoku, but they're all gonna be invalid.

[stark prawn]

Not all, but most.

[undone berry]

Add a number, check if it invalidates the sudoku, if it does try a different number. Once you've tried all possible numbers, take a step back and change the last number added

[lime gazelle]

that'll hit recursion depth even faster

[undone berry]

Not necessarily

You'll hit invalid state much faster

[stark prawn]

Your current version shouldn't have recursion at all.

[undone berry]

so in the end, you're going to end up ~81 deep

[stark prawn]

You shouldn't start the new sudoku recursivly.

Instead it should be iterativly

[undone berry]

My guess is theres an O(n!) hiding somewhere in this problem

that you're managing to hit

[lime gazelle]

I'll try switching

instead of for loops I'll have two indices

although I'm not sure of how to implement it

The way I have it now a number can never invalidate the sudoku

A number is always a valid choice, i.e it follows the rules

[gusty oar]

@rough sapphire why your pp is elliot 🤔

[rough sapphire]

Why not

[velvet rapids]

Hey

[rough sapphire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[velvet rapids]

How do I create a class variable in __init__?

[frosty berry]

Classname.variable = 'something'

if a class variable is really what you want

[gusty oar]

channel's name is perfectly fit with elliot

xd

[frosty berry]

Who knows if it's Elliot?

[rough sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[gusty oar]

everyone dreams that right . being elliot 😄

[rough sapphire]

Have you seen all 4 seasons?

[honest yacht]

XD

[gusty oar]

i saw except final season

i haven't watched final season yet

[frosty berry]

oh man what are you waiting for 😬

don't want to spoil you, but it's crazy, but you could have guessed that

[pine vector]

i don't really think being Elliot would be that great...

[gusty oar]

😄 yea i guess it would be

[frosty berry]

yeah, no being Elliot does suck

but being as good as him, well, one can dream 😄

[gusty oar]

i'm sure there are people as good as him 😄

but i dunno who

[rough sapphire]

Final season is amazing

I would suggest checking it out

[haughty gust]

Can I have legal advice

[stark prawn]

I'm not sure if that's legal to get.

[gusty oar]

i should look but final season is so delayed that i forget previous seasons

[rough sapphire]

It finished 3 months ago

[gusty oar]

yeah but 3. and 4. seasons have distinct time

final season delayed actually

2 years or so

[frosty berry]

i'm sure you can find people who do what he does, but not as fast as he does it, that's the least accurate part regarding hacking of the show, he does in minutes/hours things that should take weeks/months.

[terse sluice]

to all students whose schools are closed from covid: https://pro.codecademy.com/learn-from-home/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=learn_from_home&utm_content=cta

only take if needed; there’s only 10,000

[wind karma]

@rough sapphireI finished the project I told you I was gonna make earlier

its on the projects channel

[terse sluice]

i'm surprised you got it done so quickly

looks good

[wind karma]

Didnt take much and I had a 5 hour break mean time

Yea I am kinda surprised myself

But it wasnt that hard anyways

[terse sluice]

next: make it so a person can only vote once

[wind karma]

Oooh right I forgot

That is fairly simple, I can just add a cookie

[terse sluice]

ooh that's smart

[wind karma]

I really love how my db modeling knowledge has evolved

I used to see schemas and be afraid

But now I cant live without them

[silk hamlet]

Anybody thought about making a tactical shooter with top-down perspective???

[glacial owl]

Well, not tactical, but a meaty one, similar to Crimsonland

Went as far as a sprite running and shooting suicidal exploding enemies with rockets, lazers and bullets.

Then ither stuff got in the way

[silk hamlet]

Heh! That's a good one

But I tried to design one

Game has fog of war however (meaning things behind walls and not in players vision is invisible, like Real-time Strategy games (Warcraft))

[silk hamlet]

To make game feel like a tactical one (make it feel, not a real tactical) I simply use a real and serious theme and story, sounds could help too, although I don't know how can I found good gun sounds. Having an advisor that gives you helpful information is good, and may use it as a power up (when found cameras center system and connect your gadget to it, then advisor could help you with locating enemies).

[glacial owl]

Have you seen Hotline Miami?

[silk hamlet]

To make really tactical, having small health, powerful guns so players choose wiser...

Yes

It is like a puzzel

[glacial owl]

Yep, 1-shots on both sides of the equation, instant replays and no fog of war (for you)

I think having bith high stakes and complete information is great

[silk hamlet]

1 hit death makes you choose wiser and not run and gun

[glacial owl]

No "wtf i didn't see him" moments

[silk hamlet]

😜

Yes most guns kill in 4 shots

And have low fire rate

Game is round based with no respawn (makes player proceed with more caution), each round has a situation. Shootout, caution and hard (situation of round will be selected randomly), in shootout players have free access to weak weapons, in caution players have access free access to weak weapons should pay for medium guns and free access to simple utility (grenade and gadgets), in hard situation is like shootout and caution + hard guns and utility that that they should buy. (All weapons and utility will be taken in next round)

So the team with less kills couldn't be weaker than opposing team

The way teams get items is like this:
Money isn't for one player, every money goes to teams pocket, each round the money will be given to each player equally. So someone who had an ace can't have more money than teammates

[sand goblet]

Do you feel like this would prevent the snowball effect that you see in games like league?

[silk hamlet]

Snowball?

[sand goblet]

I mean that's pretty much league's bread and butter haha

In league, netting kills earns you gold to buy items

So the more kills you get, the better your gear, helping you get more kills

It snowballs

Most MOBAs do something like that, though some do spread the gold out among the entire team

But you still get a team snowball

[silk hamlet]

Well here money is earned by killing and doing tasks, saving hostage + doing environment tasks (I didn't talk about them yet)

Both teams have access to free weak weapons (not too weak, just weaker than others)

Also money earned is not that may much

And in shootout situation the money will be lowered (will be lowered to a certain amount: 2500 => 1000 and 1000 => 1000, letting the team with less money have an advantage, because opposing team doesn't have pay guns.

Environment tasks:
You can use environment for your advantage: a home with security cameras, players could find security box hack it and advisor will report enemy positions in places where there are cameras and last seen position (if player was seen in 5 sec) + broken cameras (shot by player) every 20 sec, terrorists spawn in home but they can't hack security box faster than counter terrorists, CTs (Counter Terrorists) have better hacking skill. By destroying security box the advantage will go away, but attacker should break box with getting close and turning off device, it is armoured so can't be shot.

CTs equipment are less aggressive since they don't want to damage properties a lot. Ts however, have more powerful guns but with less accuracy.

The scenarios in game are, hostage, search and disable (disabling gas generator of terrorists), capture (terrorists captured a sensitive position that would terrorize people, CTs have to capture it before it's too late). (More may come)

Ts have access to making traps + stuff for hiding trap. Also could lock doors, then CTs have to break door to enter the room making sound that could inform Ts (Terrorists). However not surprisingly Ts have limited equipment for these works.

There are some of my idea that will make in a far future, maybe near? Tell me what do you think about these systems, so I can improve them.

[lime gazelle]

Hello!

Does anyone know what could I do to parse a comma separated list of directories?

in bash

Because, of course, it doesn't treat it as a string but as a directory.

[sand goblet]

well, there's the IFS env var

IFS="," ; for i in `echo "text"` ; do echo $i; done

[lime gazelle]

thanks 😄

[sand goblet]

otherwise you have to use sed or awk or whatever

[lime gazelle]

It works, thanksies thanksies 💜

[sand goblet]

No problem

disclaimer: I don't like bash, but I know what to look for haha

[lime gazelle]

I don't either 😦

also, the approach I came up with it's not very...like..manageable

[sand goblet]

That about describes bash, yeah

[solid pollen]

Look at what I just found

[gentle moss]

yes, that's a thing that happened.

[silk hamlet]

Is that Gordon Freeman?

[solid pollen]

No, it is buddybisk

[rough sapphire]

it's obviously jesus

[wheat lynx]

Jesus, Bisk, What's the difference?

That's two names by the way, Jesus and bisk not Jesus bisk!

[gentle moss]

they call me bisk

jesus bisk

[wheat lynx]

Now I'm reading that with Jesus as an exclamation. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus bisk, what's the difference?

(that is saying "what is the difference between jesus and jesus bisk" with jesus as an exclamation on the front, as in the phrase "Jesus Christ!")

[gentle moss]

they're all acceptable

[stark prawn]

Heh, they opend the coffee shops again.

When they announced yesterday they had to close for 3 weeks there were massive lines all across the country.

[sand goblet]

lines..?

[gentle moss]

.nl coffee shops

dat weed mang

[sand goblet]

oh right, drug addicts

of course

[gentle moss]

because there's no better way to get over a flu that seems to like the respiratory system

than to fill you respiratory system with smoke

hey man, they're not addicts. it's just a habit

[stark prawn]

Also people weren't exactly keeping distance in the lines.

[gentle moss]

that's a line of people that smacks of avoiding

huge line of people with dry hacking coughs

[sand goblet]

It's basically a list of people to avoid, yeah

definitely not taking the coronavirus seriously

although the people that reopened the coffee shops are no better really

[gentle moss]

they're losing weight every day that shit dries out more :O

and, really, drug dealers aren't going to stop because of a pandemic

[sand goblet]

over here, people are like, making lists of places that closed ahead of the official closure advice

when this is over, a lot of people will be supporting those places and not the others

good on them

[gentle moss]

just make sure you wash your weed for 20 seconds in warm soapy water

[stark prawn]

They reopend them because some municipalities are scared it will cause a rise in drug related crime.

[gentle moss]

which it would

[sand goblet]

what measures wouldn't

[stark prawn]

Ones that don't involve criminals doing all the distribution.

[gentle moss]

well they have legal avenues for getting the cannabis

so in the UK the measures haven't exactly done anything to stop it

[sand goblet]

you're not trying to tell me that coffee shops are the only place you can buy legal highs there?

[gentle moss]

uhh, yeah

[sand goblet]

where Grote is, I mean

[stark prawn]

Yes.

[sand goblet]

well, there's your problem

[gentle moss]

they have to get a license to sell and everything

[sand goblet]

I mean yeah, of course, I'd expect that from a regulated drug market

just seems like a very odd decision that's coming back to bite people in the ass now

[stark prawn]

Selling them in specialized stores instead of general supermarkets is a weird choice?

[sand goblet]

How is a coffee shop a specialised store?

it's a coffee shop

[gentle moss]

oooh

you don't get it

haha

okay, so they're called coffee shops

but they just sell weed pretty much

[sand goblet]

so they're not actually coffee shops

[gentle moss]

well they can be

[stark prawn]

Not all of them sell coffee.

Most just sell weed.

[sand goblet]

so they're weed shops that might sell coffee but some don't?

[gentle moss]

but the general term for a place that sells weed in .nl is a coffee shop

it stems from coffee shops not giving a shit about people smoking weed in them

[sand goblet]

languages are weird

okay, I get it

[gentle moss]

so it was an evolution

[stark prawn]

Right now none will sell coffee though, since you arn't allowed to consume anything there.

[sand goblet]

I mean I guess there's only a problem if people are hanging out in the stores

[stark prawn]

Because of the virus measures.

[sand goblet]

That makes sense

We have what are known as "head shops" here

they're just shops though, you can't hang about

also there aren't tons of them because it's a dangerous business because it puts drug dealers out of business

[gentle moss]

they also just sell bongs and stuff

they don't really sell real drugs either

[sand goblet]

No, they do

at least in Ireland

it's not the same stuff, but we do have legal highs

[gentle moss]

yeah, not real drugs. they don't really put drug dealers out of business

[plucky ridge]

"real drugs"

I mean they're typically worse for you

Which is crazy saying that

[gentle moss]

yeah, the ones with +100 years of human testing

"real" drugs

[sand goblet]

you're never gonna convince an asthmatic that setting something on fire and breathing it is good for you

[plucky ridge]

Was that the intent?

News to me

[stark prawn]

Do they sell the kind of drugs that are too new to have been banned?

[plucky ridge]

Yep

Exactly

[gentle moss]

"synths"

[plucky ridge]

The Alien franchise prepared me for this moment

[gentle moss]

chemicals which are roughly the shape of other drugs with unpredictable results.

[stark prawn]

Every once in a while one pops up, gets very popular very quickly, and then gets banned when people start dying.

[gentle moss]

they seriously cause more social harm than the existing ones

and they only exist due to demand from consumers to get krunk'd

[plucky ridge]

"The devil you know versus the devil you don't"

[gentle moss]

another thing to add to the list of government caused harms

[sand goblet]

I actually just found a drugs.ie pdf that explains what they actually sell

which more or less backs up what you just said

[solid pollen]

"Don't deal with the devil" (wait, wrong reference)

[sand goblet]

salvia, spice, cathinone derivatives, piperazines, BZP, LSA-containing products, kratom

[stark prawn]

Who doesn't remember the great 4fa, it's like xtc without the comedown. Also people have died and now it's a controlled substance here

[gentle moss]

yeah

[plucky ridge]

Bath salts zombies

[gentle moss]

mcat was huge in the UK

more and more countries have analogue laws now

[solid pollen]

(Wait, is it a drug discussion right here?)

[gentle moss]

more like a policy discussion

[plucky ridge]

It's also not advocating the use of them

[sand goblet]

I've literally never heard of anything on this list except for salvia and shrooms

[plucky ridge]

You've never heard of kratom?

[sand goblet]

nope

[gentle moss]

well the shrooms on that list, if they're on that list, aren't the shrooms you're thinking of

[sand goblet]

yeah, I guess I figured

[gentle moss]

fly agaric rather than psilocybin

[plucky ridge]

The shrooms on that list are like regular mushrooms with the chemical sprayed on

[sand goblet]

The seeds of the ‘Morning Glory’ and ‘Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose’ are two of the most common sources of LSA. Effects include hallucinations, increased blood and heart pressure, nausea, derealisation.

[stark prawn]

Many of these things have local nicknames though. So may have different names in different countries.

[gentle moss]

TALKTOFRANK in the UK lumped fly agaric in with psilocybes which is just dangerous

they're very much not the same

[glacial owl]

I remember people sold """bath salts"""

[sand goblet]

ah, actually, this PDF is old

none of this stuff is legal anymore

so all these places sell is CBD oil

[gentle moss]

i guess you got your own analogue laws

[plucky ridge]

Oh man, CBD oil is literally everywhere here

[gentle moss]

it's the latest health trend

[plucky ridge]

Dude there's a Family Video that is selling it

HOW ARE THEY EVEN OPEN

[glacial owl]

I hate the fact that drug dealers can use any loophole and when they are closed you can't buy anything

[stark prawn]

A family video sounds like a store that sells vcs tapes.

[plucky ridge]

Video rental place yeah

[glacial owl]

Even potassium permanganate is barely legal because people used it as oxidiser for meth making

[gentle moss]

it's also why you can't buy shit loads of sudafed

[glacial owl]

People used it as cheap desinfectant before

[plucky ridge]

Cheaper than rubbing alcohol?

[sand goblet]

apparently hemp-derived CBD oil is legal here when sold as a food supplement

and for literally no other purpose

[glacial owl]

Ethanol? It's even more regulated here

[sand goblet]

and it has to be licensed, and cold-pressed only

[gentle moss]

hemp derived can be a very specific thing

[plucky ridge]

It's usually not ethanol

Usually just Ethyl

[gentle moss]

there may be a legal definition of a hemp crop that it has a super low cannabinoid content

[sand goblet]

I mean hemp-derived means derived from hemp

you get hemp and then you press it

it's about the THC content

yeah

[plucky ridge]

... he says remembering they're the same

[glacial owl]

We had cheap alcohol for """window cleaning""" 10-20 years ago. I remeber empty bottles of it everywhere until it was banned.

[stark prawn]

Like the hemp in those hemp fields everywhere here contain basically no thc.

[gentle moss]

^

we have them in the UK too

[glacial owl]

Until you boil it in milk

[gentle moss]

you'd have to take like an acre to get high off it

the farming strains have a legal obligation to prevent it being used as drugs, plus also they're after different things from the plant

mostly fibres for cloth etc

[plucky ridge]

Itchy itchy cloth

[stark prawn]

They supposedly make an amazing rope.

[gentle moss]

it was like... the thing you made rope from

for like a thousand years

[plucky ridge]

Yeah, manila hemp

[glacial owl]

Weed ban is the work of Big Cotton, trust me

[plucky ridge]

Oh no wait

[sand goblet]

All cannabis products must have a THC content of 0.2% or less to be legal in Ireland. Any product with such a low THC content does not have any psychoactive effects on humans.

yep

[plucky ridge]

That one isn't actually hemp

[gentle moss]

i've read similar things in books oouja.

however i personally think it's more complicated than that

far more complicated

[stark prawn]

I always Imagined it was the christians.

[plucky ridge]

It's the dairy industry

Has to be

[glacial owl]

Also, poppy. Seeds are harmless and damn delicious. But technically you can get in trouble because of trace opioids.

[primal spruce]

i dont know why i kept reading that as "boards oouja"

i was like..huh, guess you're getting advice from the other side now

[gentle moss]

the first point at which cannabis was really considered to be internationally banned was at a league of nations conference on heroin / opium

"if you ban opium you must ban hashish!"

[stark prawn]

ok, done

[plucky ridge]

But what will I have for breakfast?

[glacial owl]

Yep, discord has surprisingly good connection

[gentle moss]

and most the western nations there had no clue wtf it was

[plucky ridge]

Don't take my hashish browns!

[gentle moss]

hah

[glacial owl]

Tiktok is also big on the other side

[stark prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJ8Lc-TfNg

[plucky ridge]

27-16

Whoop, you're not my calculator

[sand goblet]

11

:>

[plucky ridge]

I know it's simple math but it's just quicker for me to churn that out while doing my timesheets

[sand goblet]

agree, I do the same

[plucky ridge]

Do that then divide my 6 to quickly get the time I need to mark down

[frosty berry]

no error > errors

[stark prawn]

!e
print(27-16)

[royal lake]

@stark prawn :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

11

[sand goblet]

see, I can do basic math sometimes

[gentle moss]

hang on

i'll have it in a second

[sand goblet]

1.8, you mean?

[gentle moss]

carry the one

[plucky ridge]

"Hmm... gonna need to use the toes on this one. One sec, gotta take off mah shoes."

[sand goblet]

haha

[gentle moss]

i hate doing finger maths

every time i carry the one it's always a bitch to glue back on

[plucky ridge]

Oh so THAT'S what happened to Lemon....

[sand goblet]

here's a fun point for you

[stark prawn]

HOw do you think bisk has 27 fingers?

[plucky ridge]

Figured because he was thrifty

[gentle moss]

i always take a finger from the dish at petrol stations

[sand goblet]

I wonder what quirk could have caused that

I mean usually it's consistent for most people

[stark prawn]

Just tell yourself it's because the others got smarter.

ireland vs london

[plucky ridge]

Or the standards are different

[sand goblet]

I mean in London it was definitely a far more modern teaching method than this town of around 1k people (at the time)

[gentle moss]

Ireland had a better standard of maths education than the UK iirc

[sand goblet]

hey man, they're still using books from the 90s here

I don't mean books written in the 90s

I mean books printed in the 90s

[stark prawn]

Entry level math hasn't changed since then though.

[sand goblet]

Oh sure, the subject hasn't

but I'm sure there are better ways of teaching/explaining it

[plucky ridge]

Oh how like an Englishman

I genuinely don't know what I mean by that

Just wanted to say it

[sand goblet]

only you could get Madonna stuck in my head, hemlock

[stark prawn]

They may be doing some more story based maths now.

[sand goblet]

haha

[plucky ridge]

🎶 Got your crumpets, on my mind 🎶

[stark prawn]

Your neighbour goes to the store to get 70 rolls of toilet paper, why?