#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 364

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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ok i made the boot stick

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lets try booting from it

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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woot

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i was right

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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lets see what happens

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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[14:55] bisk: my thinking is that there's a problem syslinux and fat32

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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BRUH

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ive gone back to the start

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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iiiii ammm the champion of the woooorlllld

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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cannot launch up anything past the logo screen

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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o

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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bisk you suck!!!!

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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well, thats idiotic

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Speaking of Windows, why is Bluetooth so horrible on it?

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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shitty drivers

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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true

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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bluetooth is horrible everywhere

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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All I want is some kind of command that tells me connected/disconnected/etc and things that have been paired in a simplistic way

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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i just wanna debug this stupid ARM toolchain and its supid flash software

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Whereas Windows obfuscates that stuff away

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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why is zis so hard

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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welcome to the dumbification of information

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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You'd think ha, it can't be that hard! Scott has no clue what he's talking about!

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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and even more relevant

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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But I've looked, for over a year 😦

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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why has it not been documented publicly, how can it be in the interested of a company to limit their developers to windows

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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As a wise man once said

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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fuck bitches

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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"Developers, developers, developers, developers"

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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i mean

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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tbh scott

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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they are a comapny that builds microcontrollers + debuggers for them

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and

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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i think he said that 9 times

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in a row

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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why would you not document how to communicate with the fucking debugger

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whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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at least i'm pretty sure the developers count in that presentation was 36

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Now I'm thinking it was 8

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Lemme check

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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way not 8

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maybe it's not 36

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Okay, I was way off. 14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs

YouTube

MrWueb007

Steve Ballmer: Developers

Uno de los peces gordos de Microsoft, en lo que parece una presentación de esta compañía, no para de hablar de los "developers".

VISITA:
www.MRWUEB.es.kz
www.MRWEB.es.kz
www.BATIDORA.es.gd

▶ Play video

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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14

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i always think it seems like more than it is

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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hm

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actually the stlink is also not properly documented

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where do poeple get info from on how to communicate with these debuggers......

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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i wish i was excited about anything as much as ballmer is excited about windows

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrtz6tiIgy4

YouTube

danny33of

Steve Ballmer Going Crazy! [Better Quality]

▶ Play video

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hmm... what should i marinade these chicken drumsticks in

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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im trying to install puppy linux and i am not sure which one i need to download

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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xenial 32bit

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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k'

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:10 PM

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@gentle moss hot sauce

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:12 PM

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tbh i was thinking cumin, smoked paprika, soy sauce, hot chilli powder, garlic, lime juice and sriracha

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or something like that

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maybe cayenne pepper as well

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i usually wing it

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https://tenor.com/view/badumtsss-drums-joke-gotcha-burn-gif-5645546

Tenor

ha!

▶ Play video

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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what the hell are chicken drumsticks

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:14 PM

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📎 delish-190808-baked-drumsticks-0217-landscape-pf-1567089281.png

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:15 PM

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ah

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:15 PM

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they're called drumsticks because before drumsticks were invented people used to use those

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:15 PM

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i like them with ketchup or bbq sauce

undone berry Mar 8, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Drumsticks are pretty naff

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wings or thighs are where its at

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:16 PM

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wings i'll agree with for finger food

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thighs less so

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however i got like 25 drumsticks for £6

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which is pretty good if you ask me

undone berry Mar 8, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Yeah, thighs are bad finger food, but better if they're going into something

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I see no place for drumsticks

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except possibly for fried chicken

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:20 PM

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they've got more meat than a wing, but less skin

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a trade off

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:21 PM

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pup seems to load up fine

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:22 PM

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puppy is a nice lightweight linux for a shit device like that

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might be worth going with it

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:22 PM

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uh

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me: *starts up the Eee
the laptop: *high pitched EEEEEEE

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some x-shit decided to not work properly

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aight

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i gotta go sleep

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jeesus

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i was installing linux for about 10 hours

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goodnight people

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:25 PM

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well, technically, you weren't

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:D

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nn

gleaming hare Mar 8, 2020, 5:25 PM

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i started at 12 at noon, now its 22, evening

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also the "d" key is kinda broken on my EEE

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ok goodnite

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:27 PM

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📎 IMG_20200308_172709.jpg

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avengers assemble!

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:30 PM

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+1 for that one on the right

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I got that a week or so ago, pretty nice

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I know it's popular in America

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oh no

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it happened again

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📎 IMG_20200308_173604.jpg

undone berry Mar 8, 2020, 5:39 PM

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saw knife, saw reddish brownish stuff. For a second I assumed you cut your fingers off and just casually posted it on Discord

vestal briar Mar 8, 2020, 5:39 PM

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♫ whoops i did it again ♫

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:40 PM

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📎 IMG_20200308_173711.jpg

vestal briar Mar 8, 2020, 5:40 PM

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That poor baby

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:40 PM

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haha

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out the park there owez

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:D

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tbh i don't cut myself that much when knife handling

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when i do i always superglue it

covert latch Mar 8, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I know this is not how you should normally do it - but couly sb please look over my code in #help-orange ? I literally have 0 idea why it does not work, even after restarting kernels. And it keeps me from continuing working.
Sorry for stealing your time

undone berry Mar 8, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I can't even see your question there. If you repost it in that or another help channel, someone will come along and help @covert latch you don't really need/want to advertise it in too many channels. If it fits in one of the topical channels, you can ask there

covert latch Mar 8, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I know, that why I didnt want to post it in another help channel

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:44 PM

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if you don't get traction after a few hours, try again

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:45 PM

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https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24

Dilbert

Dilbert Comic Strip on June 24, 1995

Wally approaches another employee and says, "Hold it right there, buddy." Wally continues, "That scruffy beard . . . those suspenders . . . that smug expression . . ." Wally concludes, "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" The man responds, "Here'a nick...

covert latch Mar 8, 2020, 5:45 PM

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reposted it in #help-chestnut now

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:45 PM

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also charlie, if i did cut my finger off i am 100% doing triage on myself and posting it somewhere

tired osprey Mar 8, 2020, 5:46 PM

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lol

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:46 PM

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takes like 30 minutes for an ambulance to get here anyhow

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gotta kill the time somehow

undone berry Mar 8, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I assume it depends on what finger

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If you cut your right index finger off

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thats gotta be a bastard to post

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 5:47 PM

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i'm pretty good with my left hand

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<_<

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 5:59 PM

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have y'all ever played with beyblades?

sand goblet Mar 8, 2020, 6:00 PM

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yup

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 6:01 PM

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god

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those were the bomb

sand goblet Mar 8, 2020, 6:01 PM

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just be careful what you use that wrist action for

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 6:01 PM

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now they make shitty ones that blow up

sand goblet Mar 8, 2020, 6:02 PM

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beyblade launchers, lawnmowers, fine

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anal beads, not such a good idea

rough sapphire Mar 8, 2020, 6:02 PM

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beyblade burst

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i

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i did not ask

sand goblet Mar 8, 2020, 6:02 PM

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haha

gusty oar Mar 8, 2020, 6:58 PM

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i wanted to download genymotion

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but it wants account

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i tried creating account but asks company :d

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but i don't have one

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 8:58 PM

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📎 IMG_20200308_205758.jpg

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Mmmm chikken.

gusty oar Mar 8, 2020, 9:18 PM

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its overcooked

sand goblet Mar 8, 2020, 9:22 PM

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No, just barbecued

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 9:22 PM

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it's seasoned

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the seasoning crisped up with the skin

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crunchy on the outside

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soft on the inside

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like armadillos

undone berry Mar 8, 2020, 9:23 PM

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ah - the perfect food analogy - armadillos

stark prawn Mar 8, 2020, 9:23 PM

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armadillos don't taste as good though

gentle moss Mar 8, 2020, 9:24 PM

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apparently they taste like chicken

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so idk

frosty berry Mar 8, 2020, 10:53 PM

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it's overcooked, i'm pretty sure eating char is not healthy at all

sand goblet Mar 8, 2020, 10:59 PM

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char is like, the basis of bbq

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it's fine

frosty berry Mar 8, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Researchers found that high consumption of well-done, fried, or barbecued meats was associated with increased risks of colorectal (19–21), pancreatic (21–23), and prostate (24, 25) cancer. However, other studies have found no association with risks of colorectal (26) or prostate (27) cancer.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet
hm less conclusive than what i though

National Cancer Institute

Chemicals in Meat Cooked at High Temperatures and Cancer Risk

A fact sheet that explains how certain chemicals form in meat cooked using high-temperature methods. Includes results of research on consumption of these chemicals and cancer risk.

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though pancreatic is left out of the second list, so i guess there is no study concluding in no link for this nasty one

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anyway, you do you, it's probably a lesser concern to anyone who smokes and drinks

sand goblet Mar 8, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I don't do either, and tbh I don't eat much bbq'd food either because cleaning it is a fucking nightmare

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but I do enjoy it

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 12:55 AM

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@frosty berry so not conclusive at all

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bruh if like

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you just ran a mile

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every time you ate some cured or bbc meats

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all the minute supposed health effects would go away

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everyone that can should run

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 5:37 AM

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after 12 hours of sleep i am back with the things about my linux install

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xenialpup couldnt install because the system wouldn't launch

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lemme send the console log...

scenic moth Mar 9, 2020, 5:39 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 5:39 AM

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here it is

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need some help

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meanwhile ill try another distro

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total time passed since the linux install idea: 22 hours

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 5:58 AM

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bodhi linux does not work either because of the cpu and kernel conflicts

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found the 32 bit one

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23 hours

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32 bit: i have only the console interface

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cmon, tiny core was the only successful distro

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the bodhi crashed when i tried to save a text file in terminal

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 6:57 AM

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SparkyLinux: works, but lags

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might dual-boot ubuntu on this very laptop

dreamy atlas Mar 9, 2020, 7:05 AM

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fish.

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 7:06 AM

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what?

dreamy atlas Mar 9, 2020, 7:10 AM

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fish

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 7:11 AM

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ok

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 7:20 AM

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have you tried just getting better hardware

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 7:25 AM

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what do i have to do with 12-year old laptop

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and i dont have money lol

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 7:58 AM

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I've repurposed my old machines as various servers and shit

vapid bluff Mar 9, 2020, 9:09 AM

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doesn't have to be super new

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performance for consumer hardware has sort of plateau'd over the last 5ish years

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and a lot of parts will work just fine second or third hand

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 9:11 AM

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yeah, the thing with your machine @gleaming hare is that it was low-end even 12 years ago when it was new

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:12 AM

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ik right

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 9:12 AM

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lol that russian keyboard layout for a sec

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:12 AM

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yeah lul

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also a question?

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how do people copy-paste into terminal

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whenever i do that, terminal gives me ^V

vapid bluff Mar 9, 2020, 9:15 AM

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shift+insert

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 9:15 AM

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It depends on the terminal

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:15 AM

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ah

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Most use shift+insert

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Alacrity uses ctrl+shift+v / ctrl+shift+c

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Don't ask me why

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Mine is CTRL + SHIFT + C

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It is Konsole

vapid bluff Mar 9, 2020, 9:16 AM

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in some you can paste by right clicking

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 9:17 AM

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selecting text copies it to the X clipboard, and you can paste it using middle mouse button

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if using a mouse is your thing

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(or shift-insert)

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:17 AM

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ctrl shift c make an empty command lul

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and yes

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the windows cmd

mossy lion Mar 9, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Right mouse button

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on a lot of terminals as well

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:18 AM

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yeah the context menu works

mossy lion Mar 9, 2020, 9:18 AM

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I mean some terminals just paste automatically on rmb

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windows cmd is one of them

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vsphere supports rmb paste too on vms swaglemon

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 9:19 AM

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oh, windows terminal

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i thought we were talking about linux

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:20 AM

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i will instaall linux on my 3rd good laptop

mossy lion Mar 9, 2020, 9:20 AM

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rmb should work on Linux too

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which is why I use it - keep forgetting os specific shortcuts

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 9:21 AM

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on windows cmd and powershell, you select text and press enter to copy it, and right click to paste

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an odd combination but it works

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:21 AM

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ok

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homework time

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Shift+insert does work on windows these days too

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:23 AM

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windows8.1

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 9:23 AM

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I'm not gonna ask.

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 9:25 AM

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eee pc

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the eee stands for me screaming

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 9:25 AM

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true

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trying to do anything on that laptop is awful

mossy lion Mar 9, 2020, 9:26 AM

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At least its not 8.0

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

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I just found a library that have arch as his main target, f*** yeah!

summer vector Mar 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

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The lemon effect

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 10:45 AM

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🍋 ? Ha yes, the otname

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Oh man, Iove good README haha

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 10:55 AM

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god this ansible shit is pissing me off

gusty oar Mar 9, 2020, 12:02 PM

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how can i improve myself

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 12:37 PM

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@gusty oar depends on what you are talking about

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 12:38 PM

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You just need to download the latest update

gusty oar Mar 9, 2020, 12:41 PM

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what you need to know

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 12:50 PM

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trying to be better than you were the day before is probably a good start

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but you also shouldn't beat yourself up too much either

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self improvement is something that takes effort and dedication to achieve

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 12:58 PM

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assuming a constant rate of learning something every day

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no matter if you take it slow and learn bit by bit

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you will finish one day

gusty oar Mar 9, 2020, 12:59 PM

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novadays i'm trying to learn OOP concept 😄

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but everything seems abstract to me

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 12:59 PM

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same for me

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 12:59 PM

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oh damn, i thought you meant improving yourself as a person

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not code skills

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nvm

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 12:59 PM

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they're equivalent

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 12:59 PM

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not if you've got a massive pile of dishes to wash up and you instead go and fuck about with code

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do the dishes yo, else you'll get fruit flies

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:00 PM

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oh no

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fruit flies

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what a problem

gusty oar Mar 9, 2020, 1:00 PM

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yea i meant Computer science general 😄

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:00 PM

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who doesn't wash their dishes right after eating anyway

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:00 PM

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i rinse them right after eating, so they're easier to wash up

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then build a little stack

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:00 PM

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I wash them up right after eating

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:00 PM

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oh look

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the dishwasher twat wanders in

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geddouddahere

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:00 PM

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I eat the dishes right after

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No dirty dishes that way

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Hey man, dish washing isn't so bad

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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i actually knew a guy at uni who just got paper plates

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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yeah it's easier to just cronch on them

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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so he could eat a meal and throw them away

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Cronch

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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wow

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cringe

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Yeah that sucks

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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I mean, that's pretty smart

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But not everyone wants to live on paper plates

gusty oar Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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i want a robot that makes dinner,washes dishes and clean the house

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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yeah

gusty oar Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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are there any

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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and here's why it's smart

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Also it's wasteful

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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uni students NEVER FUCKING WASH UP

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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I did

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:01 PM

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so you could never be sure if there were plates

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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eating on paper plates / plastic makes me feel dirt poor

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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So did my flatmate

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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lucky

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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it doesn't have the same feel as metal and ceramic

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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And then every few months we had a cleaning blitz on the whole flat together

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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i remember waking up hungover after a party and wanting scrambled eggs

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but all the shit was dirty

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so was like "fuck this" and cleaned it all

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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just eat from the pan

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also

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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i'm not a monster.

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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alcohol? cringe broo

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Good way to ruin a pan

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:02 PM

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^

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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not if you eat it with chopsticks

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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You'll still ruin it

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Sharp edges

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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with

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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oh yeah, it was soooo cringe. such a cringe party. we all had fun while drinking. it sucked.

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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wooden

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sticks

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?

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Yes

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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teflon pans are delicate little flowers

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Yes they are

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Fuck teflon

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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i've ruined a teflon pan with a sponge that was a bit too rough before

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Same

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:04 PM

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@gentle moss i say cringe because my mom's boyfriend is dying of cirrhosis and i hate the guy

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Tefal can die in a fire

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:04 PM

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from severe alcohol addiction

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:04 PM

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I have steel pans with a non stick pattern that is metal implement safe

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And a stone metal blend non stick pan

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:04 PM

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so yeah enjoy the hearing loss from the music and gaining weight

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:04 PM

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It needs seasoning but it's so good

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:04 PM

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well that sucks, that's a reason to not drink yourself but a bad reason to judge others.

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:05 PM

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said by the guy that drinks

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cringe bro, cringeee

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Bisk is right

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Let people be people

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Don't project, haha

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:05 PM

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project what

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:05 PM

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plus i got hearing damage from my professional sound work, rather than parties :P

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:05 PM

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i'm too young to drink

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:05 PM

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I don't drink, but I don't try to like

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Hold it over people's heads

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:06 PM

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i drink way too often

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:06 PM

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i like to drink, but i don't shit on people who don't

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:06 PM

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hah

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bisk your new avatar deeply unsettles me

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:06 PM

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good.

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more than one person wants the golfball back

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Needs more fisheye

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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bisk has wonderful teeth though

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Right now you just look like eggman

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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That's great @sand goblet

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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yeah, they're the perfect shade of cream

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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you look like someone who plays dnd

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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thanks, i used to.

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:08 PM

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https://youtu.be/Mo4TErpy0B8

YouTube

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rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:08 PM

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hahahah

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That seems like a weird thing to say. A lot of people play D&D

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:08 PM

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yeah, it's not a nerds only thing anymore

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some of my most bro friends play d&d now

gusty oar Mar 9, 2020, 1:08 PM

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📎 614032668627042314.gif

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:08 PM

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adults that play it usually played it as a kid

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it's definitely not as big as videogames

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:08 PM

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ablobcatneon

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:08 PM

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nor is the rate of growth

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i wish

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:09 PM

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lots of adults discover it and are like

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"fuck yeah, roleplaying is actually fun"

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just need a good dm and to get over prejudice

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:09 PM

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That's the hard part, DMing

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:09 PM

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good dm's are hard to find

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:09 PM

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yoo i saw this raspberry pi dnd screen

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:09 PM

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my dm was a legend

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so i was a thief and my sister played a mage

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so as a really good artist he'd actually draw out the traps / etc

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Oh nice

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:10 PM

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or the runes / glyphs of magic stuff

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i once got a nail shot into my leg because i disarmed a trap wrong while robbing a house

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then had to jump out a 3rd floor window

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and broke both my legs

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bad rolls man, bad rolls

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:12 PM

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📎 unknown.png

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:12 PM

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oh that's cool

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:13 PM

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personally i would pour some dirt, rocks and leaves for aesthetics

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on the screen

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:13 PM

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i used to build sets for my warhammer collection

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:13 PM

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wth is a warhammer

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:13 PM

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wot

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📎 fantasy-army.png

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little figurines you make / paint to create armies

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then you can fight armies against each other using rule books

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:14 PM

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oh cute

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:14 PM

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there are a few different types but i had an undead army

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headed by vampires

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i think it was about a 35-40k point army

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which is pretty big

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:15 PM

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point?

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:15 PM

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could cover half a pool table

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yeah, each unit is worth points

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painting them was pretty relaxing

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Wargaming seems dope - except for the bit where expensive and the fact theres so many weirdos who do it

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:17 PM

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the cost is insane

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i used to find ways around that though

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since i had an undead army i could have skeletons missing an arm, or a hand poking out the ground with a tombstone etc

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so i could get more units out of one box

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I do not know how to feel about the new avatar

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It's like those happy buddha statues

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 1:22 PM

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It's definitely eggman

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Yeah I guess I see it now

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:27 PM

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if it's going to cause this much trouble i'll change it back

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smh my fishy head

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 1:29 PM

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No it's fine

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I just need an adjustment period

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Consider that for almost 2 years I've only ever seen you with the golf ball

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:34 PM

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i think i prefer this

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Is that a loading icon?

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 1:36 PM

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It isn’t centereeedd

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:36 PM

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it's the youtube dots

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but with eyes

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and you're right, it's not.

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intentionally

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Arg, you’re the worst haha

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:37 PM

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one person doesn't think that

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 1:39 PM

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I like it

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:39 PM

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all seeing eyes

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i can't even remember the conversation / joke that made me make the no image golden golfball

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or what it was before then

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 1:41 PM

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this is much worse than either of the previous two IMO

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:41 PM

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always a critic

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 1:42 PM

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I wasn't a critic of either of the previous two

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 1:59 PM

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sometimes a critic

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📎 IMG_20200309_140052.jpg

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found a random spring on the floor

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this is probably a bad omen

primal spruce Mar 9, 2020, 2:02 PM

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No

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It just means spring is just around the corner.

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 2:03 PM

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hi

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if if if if if if...
https://github.com/Calamity34/FugaFTP/commit/183a5e98f090ef7c436669402e41aeca15bc3c6a#diff-fdbf418aeb58cd728e1d0948bae00594

GitHub

Меме страница · Calamity34/FugaFTP@183a5e9

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i hope i could know js good enough to fix this pile of IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIf

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 2:05 PM

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good one @primal spruce

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Thats a pretty easy fix @gleaming hare

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 2:06 PM

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.. Меме страница.. sure

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 2:06 PM

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What's that translate to?

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 2:06 PM

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meme page

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Use a switch, anyway

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 2:06 PM

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You don't even want a switch there - just a for loop or something similar

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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No?

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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tell that over to @SergeyMC9730#7402

primal spruce Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Heck, just use the value of "a" directly

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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the files are all meme1 meme2 and so on

primal spruce Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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You literally need nothing

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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oh yeah

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I didn't even think about where as was coming from

primal spruce Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Use the value of "a" to construct the file name

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Strangely enough, you don’t have the same m, e, c, t, a, h than other languages

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 2:07 PM

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oh yeah

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 2:08 PM

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the point is - you don't need to know any JS to fix that really

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 2:08 PM

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in python that would be something like f"filepath and shit...\\memes\\meme{a}.mp4"

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 2:09 PM

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pls no slashes like that

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use pathlib

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 2:09 PM

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you can literally turn the entire block into js var player = new Playerjs({id:"player", file:"memes/meme"+a+".mp4"}); console.log("1");

solid pollen Mar 9, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Without knowing any JS, I’d say you could do

var player = new Playerjs({id:"player", file:"memes/meme" + a + ".mp4"});```

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 2:09 PM

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JS does have string interpolation

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Yeah, using backticks

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`x/$Y`

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 2:10 PM

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they do more than just interpolation iirc

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Not much more

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 2:10 PM

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About as much as f-strings, right?

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Well there are no format specifiers in JS

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Because JS doesn't have string formatting

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Ah okay

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 2:11 PM

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There's tagged template literals.

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 2:11 PM

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I mean that was a template literal there

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 2:12 PM

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ok i forwarded him the info and his reaction was o

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 2:12 PM

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But it wasn't tagged.

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Tagged literals just have their arguments passed to a function first

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It's really just syntactical sugar

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I'm not sure why it exists tbh, it's far less convenient than just writing a builder function

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 2:41 PM

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trading has been halted in the US due to a sharp downward trend

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a mechanism put in place after the 2010 flash crash

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which was wrongfully blamed on waddell and reed

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hmmmmmmmm 🤔

rough sapphire Mar 9, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Do anyone here know some cool JSON apis to use ?

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 2:56 PM

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There's a trivia API thats pretty fun

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Google maps has tonnes of random stuff

plucky ridge Mar 9, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Read that as "trivial" API

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And was like "there is no such thing"

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 3:19 PM

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You can do fun stuff with openweatherapi or whatever its called

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 3:30 PM

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dub horn api when

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 3:55 PM

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mfw our website has this dlibs folder which contains 2 js files with about 1mil characters and it still weights less than the css folder

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447615 + 253004 = 700619

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chars

thorn snow Mar 9, 2020, 4:02 PM

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📎 IMG-20200309-WA0000.png

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Do you know if participants can join in teams?
@wind karma
replying here so we don't block their conversation.

What do you mean? You can request teammates but they might not be honoured

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but I think they said they probably will be

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assuming you mean for this server

wind karma Mar 9, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Ohh

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Yea I mean for this server

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I want to get a team together haha, I really loving teaming up and doing shit

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:/

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Well, you'll be placed into a team by the system

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if you like working with randoms

wind karma Mar 9, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Well I meant teaming up so that we can join other code jams as well

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@thorn snow Ive got a better one:)

📎 87539129_784277705428071_2199819881791094784_n.png

undone berry Mar 9, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Well, there's nothing stopping you looking for people to do that - but the server has no mechanism for that

wind karma Mar 9, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Yea I know

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If you want we can teamup, I really want to do codejams :/

gleaming hare Mar 9, 2020, 4:15 PM

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one of the discord feedback articles has this pic...

📎 unknown.png

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and that is the link it goes to...

gentle moss Mar 9, 2020, 4:51 PM

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holy fuck shit ass

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they're remaking Mrs Doubtfire

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with Kevin Hart

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nvm, that's old news. the miss confused me with the musical adaptation that's coming out

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Made a wip plex server case for rpi

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Ton of 2.5" bays and a rpi mount

📎 20e2d54b-88f5-416f-8ba3-8e714f343af6.PNG

plain slate Mar 9, 2020, 8:48 PM

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does the rpi have sata connectors?

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 8:49 PM

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It seems to be missing a fanmount

plain slate Mar 9, 2020, 8:49 PM

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^^

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Pff, relability

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Are the new raspi's powerful enough to host a plex server?

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Yeah

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I wouldn't say so

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Rpi 3's where fine on 3 1080p

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 8:50 PM

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They'll host it fine but the actual live conversions..

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:51 PM

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I'm only ever going to use 1 hard drive bay for expandability y'know

plain slate Mar 9, 2020, 8:51 PM

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@vestal briar so we will need an expansion bay (you can put it on the top) for a discrete gpu. and since you do that, you might as well just bring the sides down with some tempered glass panels

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sell for $15 on amazon and we good

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🙂

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:52 PM

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🤔

plain slate Mar 9, 2020, 8:52 PM

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also when building cases, don't forget rgb

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 8:52 PM

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hides his solidblack case

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Hm

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I'm not sure how to actually cool this thing

plain slate Mar 9, 2020, 8:53 PM

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IT HAS THE MOTHERBOARD LIGHTS

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Printing with fan holes will be a pain

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Hardline tubing?

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:53 PM

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?

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Was the fan thing a joke?

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I was thinking about the poor laptop hdds

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 8:54 PM

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No, That looks like it could generate serious heath

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Hmm

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No idea how to configure this

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 8:56 PM

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You can get some pretty decent passive coolers I think.

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:56 PM

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That's just a big unused block of 2.5" hdds

📎 unknown.png

stark prawn Mar 9, 2020, 8:56 PM

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But idk how much heat the ssds will generate

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I mean

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The 5mm thick plastic should be enough for very mild use?

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Bearing in mind the max that this will have is 3

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 8:58 PM

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That definitely should have more air holes

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That's just solid plastic

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 8:58 PM

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I have an idea

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And it will make it look like art

plain slate Mar 9, 2020, 9:01 PM

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BOOM

📎 20e2d54b-88f5-416f-8ba3-8e714f343af6.png

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ez

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also rgb

restive ledge Mar 9, 2020, 9:03 PM

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did you use sw for this? @vestal briar

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 9:07 PM

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It's Owez's design with Savant's mspaint

plain slate Mar 9, 2020, 9:09 PM

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actually im a bit more sophisticated sir @sand goblet

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this was Paint 3D

sand goblet Mar 9, 2020, 9:10 PM

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gimp

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oh, close enough

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I'm using fusion360

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📎 4c3bef8b-1456-405e-af62-97b6d4fa739f.PNG

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Air holes and art

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And 3d printable

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Though it's more of a torture test at this point haha

royal lakeBOT Mar 9, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Hey @vestal briar!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.stl). We currently allow the following file types: .3gp, .3g2, .avi, .bmp, .gif, .h264, .jpg, .jpeg, .m4v, .mkv, .mov, .mp4, .mpeg, .mpg, .png, .tiff, .wmv, .svg, .psd, .ai, .aep, .xcf, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .md.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

vestal briar Mar 9, 2020, 9:38 PM

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If anyone wants stl for this, i'll pm them

mellow lagoon Mar 10, 2020, 2:42 AM

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.ogg

torn raptor Mar 10, 2020, 6:25 AM

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question , how many amps does it take too paralyze some one ?

rough sapphire Mar 10, 2020, 6:30 AM

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why do you need to know this

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anything about 10mA for muscle paralysis.. >30 mA for respiratory..

rough sapphire Mar 10, 2020, 7:07 AM

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how do you include links in markdown for headings that occur with spaces

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for example: Set Theory Clauses

plain slate Mar 10, 2020, 8:05 AM

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that was an abrupt change in subjects

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 8:53 AM

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How do you hide the body

tulip palm Mar 10, 2020, 9:27 AM

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put it in a graveyard

rough sapphire Mar 10, 2020, 10:14 AM

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oh right junkyard is different than graveyard. i was wondering why would you put a body in the dump

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too much magic the gathering lately 😮

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Will a drone work if the motors are rectangular instead of perfectly square?

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I got it 5cm more apart one way that the other but in the other axis they are the same

bronze root Mar 10, 2020, 11:11 AM

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shud work

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There are triangular ones

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but good luck calibrating it x3

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 12:32 PM

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I can't calibrate it at all

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It's a modded syma x5c

glad bear Mar 10, 2020, 2:26 PM

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I passed my first Comp Sci test!!! Thanks to this server 😅

gusty oar Mar 10, 2020, 3:56 PM

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congratulations!

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:08 PM

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So you know how pipenv has a stigma of being slow..

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It is so god-damn slow the devs knew about it and put a timeout in it

📎 unknown.png

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:p

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Oh but no, the timeout is too buggy and the timeout gave an exception

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Time to switch to a better program

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:17 PM

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pipenv

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I honestly haven't found a better solution though

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It might be better to try to solve this problem if possible

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I wonder how annoying it'd be to do with gradle

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haha

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"Oh cool, you made a Discord bot in Python?"

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"Yep, but if you wanna use it, you'll need Java"

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Fuck this

📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

undone berry Mar 10, 2020, 11:37 PM

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What are you actually trying to install?

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Pandas

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Poetry wants to use python 2.7

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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I've had precisely no luck whatsoever with poetry

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Also why the hell is there no way to uninstall poetry

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I can't find a single method

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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pip uninstall poetry?

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Not installed by pip

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Because it's speshul

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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the heck did you install it with?

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Using some fucking curl

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

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link me

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

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https://github.com/python-poetry/poetry

GitHub

python-poetry/poetry

Python dependency management and packaging made easy. - python-poetry/poetry

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

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I swear to god if their curl is just a pip command..

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oh god, that's just

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why

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I know

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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why did they do that

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that's awful

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Now it's using python 2 and i'm very close to using words that are not allowed but describe this

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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you need to do

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wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/python-poetry/poetry/master/get-poetry.py && python get-poetry.py --uninstall

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:41 PM

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rm -rf /*

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What the hell

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I dunno

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it supports pip installation too

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I thought that was some experimental thing

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:41 PM

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if you're on linux you could probably have gotten it from the package manager

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Not a thing I don't think

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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iunno

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pipenv is there on all distros I've used at least

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Nope, it isn't

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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although pipenv actually works, so maybe poetry won't be there

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:43 PM

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This is what must have pushed younger me to make my own clone

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:43 PM

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ELA uses poetry though, I think, and he's got it working clearly

#

and this project uses it https://github.com/python-discord/flake8-annotations/

GitHub

python-discord/flake8-annotations

Flake8 Type Annotation Checking. Contribute to python-discord/flake8-annotations development by creating an account on GitHub.

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Didn't work in the end because of the backwards-compatibility-hell of pypi

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Dependency management is hard

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I've written a package manager before

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It was for plugins for an old chatbot I worked on, Ultros

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but even that was a little tricky

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I'm working on a system package manager now

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Like full basic package manager made in rust

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As much as possible is made by me, even if it's not high quality :p

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:49 PM

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It's definitely an interesting project

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Yeah

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Apart from when I have to learn about p2p networking and build systems

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I was kind of thinking about working on a universal build tool

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but then I realised, well, gradle exists

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and I do really like most of gradle, so

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I mean, isn't any build system universal

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I mean, yes, but gradle makes it easy

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:50 PM

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You can use something like make with minor difficulties

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:51 PM

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I mean, yes, but then I have to write a makefile, yknow?

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:51 PM

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🤔

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:51 PM

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as opposed to something like gradle which comes with plugins for most languages

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you just dump it in the folder, gradle init and go

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it does use groovy (or kotlin) for its buildscripts though, so you need to know groovy (or kotlin) beforehand, at least to a point

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although I picked up groovy from just using gradle myself

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:52 PM

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So it's like a complicated make with lots of plugins

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:52 PM

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I mean, to a point

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it has a lot of useful features, like incremental builds and portable build caches

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:53 PM

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What are incremental builds again?

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Is that a fancy way of saying compiler cache

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:53 PM

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only processing things that need to be processed

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which isn't always the same as "this file changed, compile it again"

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Most things have that nowadays

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:54 PM

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well, yes, but there's more than compilation in a lot of projects these days

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with java for example, you also have packaging to do

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you might have annotation processors to be run before/after/during compilation

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although those have been solved by maven/ant as well

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Why so many steps

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:(

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:55 PM

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well, java has a lot of features that people don't really think about

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have you heard of lombok?

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or graal, maybe?

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Hm

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:56 PM

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lombok is basically like python's dataclasses

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you put annotations on your classes and it will generate getters, setters, .equals(), etc for you

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Oh

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:57 PM

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you have to be able to run a third party annotation processor as part of the compilation stages for that to work

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graal on the other hand allows you to basically build a custom jvm that's optimised for your project

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Shouldn't that be built into the LS

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:57 PM

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LS?

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Or as an extension

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Language server

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:58 PM

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I mean I guess your IDE could do it for you

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:58 PM

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The part that connects to build system as a unified api

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:58 PM

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but that doesn't give you clean source

vestal briar Mar 10, 2020, 11:58 PM

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How you write 1 connector and it works on 10 different editors sort of thing

sand goblet Mar 10, 2020, 11:58 PM

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well, I guess

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but the point is less that lombok provides this feature and more that you can extend the compilation process using an annotation processor

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which is something that's been defined by java specs for years now

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years and years

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certainly longer than language servers have been around

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annotations that remain in actual java code aren't very flexible tbh, so being able to process them at compile time is super useful

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they're basically just metadata otherwise

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Is this more of just javas weird side

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I mean, annotations are super common and very useful

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it's just a feature most people don't think of when you talk about java

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Like it is an "if ain't broke don't fix" it sort of thing

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:01 AM

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everyone uses them but most people haven't written one

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Well I guess, yeah, that's kind of java's thing

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back compat

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I mean some people are still using ant

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which came about in.. 2000?

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as a replacement for people just using make for java

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Would be funny if java done a python 3

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:02 AM

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I mean it's not like they don't break things

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it's just they don't break expected things

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:02 AM

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..Oh

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:02 AM

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they broke the classloader system in java 12 or something

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that was annoying

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Why don't they just fix it all gradually and annoyingly

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:03 AM

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I'm not sure

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Oracle Java isn't something people actually use these days tbh

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everyone's using openjdk because oracle's licensing is ass now

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Yeah

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:03 AM

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which, to be clear, openjdk is still maintained by oracle

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it's just a real oss distribution

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:04 AM

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I'd have like too have seen some cool spinoff of java

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:04 AM

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I mean we have other JVM languages

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including python (jython)

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Yeah but not just a compiler backend

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:04 AM

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What, like, let's do a mariadb?

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:05 AM

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Basically heavily modified java that irons out the wrinkles but could still be ported fairly easily

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:05 AM

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that would be interesting

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But I think java has a lot of issues that are best served with a jvm language

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:05 AM

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Yeah, that would be the best solution

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:05 AM

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reason being, java's pull is its ubiquity

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I mean I guarantee you have something near you at all times that runs java

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:05 AM

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But it would be easier to just have java-like syntax when porting

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I don't think I actually do

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:06 AM

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whether that's a car's computer system, a set top box under your tv, or the sim card in your phone, or maybe your blu-ray player

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blu-ray movies have a fair bit of java in them

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Woo for weird contracts

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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I'm still amused that sim cards are just little java computers

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Yeah

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The strange limited embeddable java

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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that's really java's strength though

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Why did they get that in the first place anyway?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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write once, run anywhere. really.

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Like for blu-ray

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:07 AM

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I'm not sure

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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They wouldn't have have a long standing relationship with oracle

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD-J

BD-J

BD-J, or Blu-ray Disc Java, is a specification supporting Java ME (specifically the Personal Basis Profile of the Connected Device Configuration or CDC) Xlets for advanced content on Blu-ray Disc and the Packaged Media profile of Globally Executable MHP (GEM).
BD-J allows bonu...

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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For gods sake

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They have an entire spec for blue rays

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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yup

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every blu-ray player out there supports it

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:08 AM

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This is when you can tell it wasn't meant for this haha

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I mean, sort of

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Sun did originally design java to be suitable for porting for discrete devices and use-cases

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the plan was basically an extreme version of "write once, run anywhere", and it worked

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and it really is just fucking everywhere.

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:09 AM

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That's what an ABI is for though

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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I mean yeah, but how old is java?

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1995?

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yeah

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not quite as old as python, but pretty old

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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This is around 2006 times

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Oh, sure

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But if you look at the projected goals for java

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it was designed to be ubiquitous, right

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Oh, 2008

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:11 AM

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in achieving that goal, it meant that most programmers had to know a little java to get by for a while

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BD-J probably made sense from that perspective

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everyone already knows java, right? well let's just use that

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that's not true in the hobbyist world, but in the enterprise world..

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Or they could have hired some embedded devs to do the embedded programming

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I mean you already have this high level VM that runs on a toaster

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what's the point

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I doubt a bluray development division was packed with java devs

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:13 AM

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actually I suspect that the people writing BD-Js probably weren't programmers at all to start with

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embedded programming might have been a bit above their level

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Hey timmy you are a java coder now

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:14 AM

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well, you know how businesses like to cut costs

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also, don't forget, BD-J is just java ME

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Was it actually cutting costs though at oracles prices

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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like J3ME

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you might remember the old J2ME phones, right?

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Nope

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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hoo

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so yeah

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basically every phone ran Java ME for a while

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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I remember from iphone 5

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Java Mobile Edition

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if you take the ancient sony ericsson walkman phone for example

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this motherfucker

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vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Yeah

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Now for phones it makes sense

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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this thing could probably do most of what people use a phone for today

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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For bluerays not so much

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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well, yes

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but the point I'm making is that Java ME was already an established tech with a lot of devs

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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They would have had c devs on hand in development already though?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Would they though?

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They're movie producers

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:18 AM

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With licensing and hiring/(minimal) training costs it would have evened out to just using one of their own guys or just hiring a firm

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The development team

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If you're working with a lot of embedded in a fairly large team, one or two of them would have known embedded programming

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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I mean, sure, but the people that came up with BD-J weren't going to be the ones using it

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Hm?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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well, blu-ray was just another high capacity disc format

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you can store 80GiB on this shiny blue CD

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it would have been the minds at the movie industry that came up with this standard

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but the actual companies producing movies would be the ones writing BD-J into their releases

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Could have also been done with an abi

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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I guess? Java would have been simpler though

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Hm, wouldn't the BD-J just be an abi also

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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in a sense, I suppose so

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Was it just a timerush thing?

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Make shoddy short-term solutions to release fancy stuff in time

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And Sony's PlayStation 3 has been the de facto leader in compliance and support of BD-J. So everyone else went along with it

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Make shoddy short-term solutions to release fancy stuff in time
agile™

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:24 AM

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well, sony was in charge of the blu-ray project

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after all, they unveiled the first prototypes back in 2000

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:25 AM

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@undone berry The amount they talk about the agile methodology in our school..

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:25 AM

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oh hey

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Sony Ericsson W810

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no

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bad clipboard

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http://jovial.com/slides/2005_TS-7091_Foote_Moll_DF.pdf

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thank you

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this is a "keynote" from 2005's javaone conference

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undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:26 AM

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I had some lecturer at my uni banging on about his 10 years of industry experience as an agile expert go on to talk about how you wouldn't use Java for long term projects because its dynamically typed - and that you'd use an oop language instead

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:26 AM

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uh

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what

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I can't use the word I'd want to use to describe him here

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Every slide has a cheesy bit about java put in

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:)

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 AM

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turns out his 10yrs experience was installing POS systems in Carphone Warehouse

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Lol

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 AM

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hah

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nice.

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 AM

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My cs teacher keeps talking about how c# is oop and python is more "procedual"

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Ah, the old "Javascript is Java, it's in the name!"

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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thats not really that wrong

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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it looks like they picked java because DVB-GEM already defined a java environment for this kind of work

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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90% of python is an object

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Yes, but you're not forced to write OOP code

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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TBH i don't REALLY see a difference between Python modules and C# static classes

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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just because it is an object doesn't mean the code you're writing is OOP

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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yeah, java does force you to write OOP

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vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:29 AM

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They phrased it like python didn't have oop

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:29 AM

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StaticClass.StaticMethod() vs module_name.function()

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I mean modules aren't classes though

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there's no this/self

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a module can't refer to itself like that

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:30 AM

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There is no instances of static classes either

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:30 AM

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(given how python works, that doesn't make sense anyway)

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well yes, but it's a second level of encapsulation

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and you still have stuff like inheritance

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Basically

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:31 AM

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...damn, i forgot if you can actually inherit static classes

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let me check

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:31 AM

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My teacher thinks python doesn't have classes

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Nah, you can't

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Static classes are almost glorified namespaces that are initialised in background and can't be used via interface

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Huh, okay

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well, to be fair, python doesn't have static classes

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they probably solve similar problems

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but classes do belong to modules (usually, not always)

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:33 AM

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I like that you can use types as a variable

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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well, yknow, everything is an object, first-class

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Like animaltype = Dog; fido = animaltype()

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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@vestal briar anyway, there are a lot of interesting jvm languages

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scala and clojure, kotlin, jython..

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I guess rhino (javascript) counts, although that's more an interpreter written in java

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whereas the others actually compile to jvm bytecode

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groovy is another one, obviously, not sure how I forgot that

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and yeah they basically exist to improve upon java

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you won't need lombok if you're working with kotlin or groovy for example

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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I like that the different JVM languages actually have niches where they are used

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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clojure is basically java with lisp paradigms/syntax

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so the lisp people like it

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it's an interesting language, I'm not sure I like it though

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Where closure is actually used, btw?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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well Fexco uses clojure

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I know that much

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(I worked there)

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Maybe some day i'll try to learn Scala, if i start working with Spark

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Spark is great in Java and Kotlin too

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:38 AM

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I've heard that Kotlin is JS-like language that runs on JVM

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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It's nothing like JS

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it is a fantastic language though

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Who would make that, considering even JS devs do not like JS?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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I'm a big fan of it

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yeah I dunno who said it was like JS

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it's nothing like JS

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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What's the biggest improvement compared to Java?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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I mean there are just so many improvements, I'm not sure I could pick just one

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Basically it's one of the new class of fancy languages like rust and ew go and nim that have a ton of compile targets and are dev friendly

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Maybe the much smarter compiler, or the explicit null-safety

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this is what kotlin looks like

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glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Smooth

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I see a mash of java, python and a bit of js

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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note the question marks in this

vestal briar Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I'm used to question marks automatically routing errors in rust

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I'm looking at weird squiggles. Are they &&?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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at the ends of the lines? yeah

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Null-safety, yeah

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:42 AM

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so, there are a bunch of operators in kotlin that include ?, and those are null-safe operators

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or rather they operate based on nullness

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so if jsonData is null, then jsonData?.keys will return null - it'll only move on to jsonData.keys if jsonData isn't null

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we also have the elvis operator

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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(rubbish name)

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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statement ?: statement

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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TBH i like explicit Python Optional[Type] more

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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if the left side is null, the right side is executed

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oh, we have that too

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you can explicitly type things if you like

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Ah, yeah. What's the typing in Kotlin?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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(and you do have to in some cases)

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well, firstly we have var and val - var is mutable, val isn't

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if you wanted to type a variable as a string which may be null, you'd do eg

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var str: String?

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the ? means it could contain null

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:44 AM

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I wonder if Python would introduce immutable fields later.

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Perhaps, perhaps

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oh, but I forgot one of my favourite things somehow

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I have also crashed idea, so one minute

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:46 AM

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🙂 Your favorite feature seems to be dangerous

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:46 AM

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so you might be familiar with switch

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I'm sure you are

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kotlin does not have switch

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Yep, i miss it

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:46 AM

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it has something which I actually prefer

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it's known as when

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:46 AM

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...go on

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:47 AM

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sec, I'm trying to find a good example

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haha

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so when comes in a few forms

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at its most basic, it's just a nicer if-elif chain

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it can also be used like a switch

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it's worth noting that the last statement of a branch (the only statement if it's not a Unit defined by {}) will be returned

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in this case, type is just a string

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if we didn't know what it was, our branch could be is String or is Integer

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it's basically a way more powerful switch

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it can also do closures, like in java

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they're like context managers in python

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fun Request.getBody() =
        when (val response = executeRequest()) {
            is Success -> response.body
            is HttpError -> throw HttpException(response.status)
        }

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something like that

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(from the kotlin docs)

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Cool! Makes me want this features 🙂

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:51 AM

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the is checking combines with kotlin's smart casting as well

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by smart casting, what I mean to say is, java is dumb

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Object x = ...;

if (x instanceof String) {
  x.toInt();
}

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that won't work.

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you have to explicitly cast x

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:52 AM

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if(fruit is Apple)
{
  MakeApplePieFrom(fruit as Apple);
}

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:52 AM

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kotlin removes that requirement, it's smart enough to understand that you did an instanceof check and so you want to use it as that type

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val x: Any = ...

if (x is String) {
  x.toInt()
}

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it also does other things like forcing you to have an else block when you use when to generate a return value

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:53 AM

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C# also added A LOT of pattern-matching goodness in 8.0, but i haven't got time to really enjoy it

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:53 AM

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and, yeah, explicit casting is fruit as Apple, as you said

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anyway I could go all night

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it's a huge bag of nice small improvements really

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:54 AM

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And probably even bigger bag of legacy garbage thrown away, right?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Well, I would say so, to a point

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It does run on the JVM

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..by default, anyway

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it also compiles to javascript and native code

undone berry Mar 11, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Have you had experience with non jvm kotlin? Any issues with it?

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Gimme native Jython on android 😦

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I have tried to use it for javascript

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and it is quite nice

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however

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when writing kotlin code for JS, the compiler still enforces the strict typing

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if you're making use of an external js library - which does work - you either have to have a kotlin external class to represent the types in that library, or you have to tell the compiler to throw out type safety

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there is a converter that can convert typescript stubs to kotlin external classes

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but it's still alpha and quite slow

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it does work though, and at least you don't have to keep running it, just run it once and you have your stubs

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I think it was probably slow in my case because I had it running against some npm libs

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I didn't really need stubs that deep

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 1:00 AM

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BTW, is there a way to transpile Python to JS? Is it a good idea?

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 1:00 AM

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to answer your questions in order: yes, no.

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:>

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Damn 😦

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 1:01 AM

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you basically have two approaches when it comes to that

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you either write javascript with python syntax

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or you reimplement a python interpreter in javascript

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both of those approaches exist

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the former is probably smarter to use at the moment because the latter requires bundling a 60+MiB runtime on your page

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there's also rustpython, which compiles to wasm, but that's not really that useful in the browser yet

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(because you can't manipulate the dom without a hacky JS shim)

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Damn, JS is really unescapable

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I really like the concept of "learn language once, use it everywhere", but Python is not like that.

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At least it goes well with both Linux and Win

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Well, the W3C is working on adding DOM support to WASM

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Python is viable on mobile too with Kivy BTW

glacial owl Mar 11, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Half the people say "it's viable", half say "you can do that, but shouldn't".

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Probably should try for myself and decide

sand goblet Mar 11, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Nah, Kivy is actually really quite good