ofc it is
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
jagged fog
well I mean even if they didn't take it seriously , if you're vilingly gonna do a pr at least have some sort of a minimum standard
idk I can't comprehend it
undone berry
They might just not have realised that their commits end up on the remote
like, a very poor understanding of git
rough sapphire
Anyone here play ark?
frosty berry
@modern island seems fine, i didn't read the PR, just your comments, but they were on point :). You could use the github suggested change system to propose the fixed lines to the user, so they just have to approve it, but the changes were clear enough it's not needed just nice to do.
@modern island when you squash, git creates a new commit to replace them all, with the messages from every commit it replaces in the default message, but you can edit it to cleanup.
glass gorge
What's ya'll favorite overnight oats recipes 
umbral lantern
Is there an SS seats where you can see the full screen instead of just the terminal
rough sapphire
SS?
umbral lantern
Ssh
glass gorge
Believe they mentioned a pi in #ot0-psvmโs-eternal-disapproval earlier
rough sapphire
@umbral lantern ssh with X forwarding
umbral lantern
?
tired osprey
you can see windows of applications you launch over the terminal with x forwarding
umbral lantern
How
umbral lantern
?
tired osprey
its an ssh feature
tired osprey
i dont think so
umbral lantern
Oh
rough sapphire
no, mobaxterm would work tho
tired osprey
shoul dbe a linux thing
rough sapphire
it comes with an X client
rough sapphire
you'd use something like tcpdump for that
umbral lantern
I tryed that but soo many things where poping up
rough sapphire
you need to filter out just the pings
rough sapphire
google :)
umbral lantern
Oh hmmm uhhh ok
My school is blocking the websites
@rough sapphire the school is blocking the site
rough sapphire
ok? use a vpn or something
plucky ridge
Or do it after school
umbral lantern
U right
elfin kernel
guys any idea why in python True and False are capitalized?
sand goblet
probably for readability
sand goblet
I don't think those count as constants
constants in python use SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE
but those are actually singletons
sand goblet
huh, okay
I guess that's a case of the standard library breaking the standards then
so this is a thing now https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/minecraft_server/
rough sapphire
but_why.gif
sand goblet
I'm not entirely sure, honestly
rough sapphire
I missed this one
versed path
man I'm dumb af
but how do I exit out of this in ubuntu
I just want to exit the config, I'm tried using ctr-x, ctr-d, doesn't seem to work
frosty berry
hm, seems like it's vim, so i would say <esc>:x
rough sapphire
:q!
frosty berry
:x will save and quit
rough sapphire
or :wq
frosty berry
:wq is old and tired, :x is faster ๐
frosty berry
oh hm, real vi, fun.
rough sapphire
:) welcome to embedded
versed path
Ahh ill try that once I can thanks!
autumn herald
i love the joke of two CompSci professor arguing on how to create true randomness in computer. Then a third one comes and he have a solution, "Just register the inputs made to escape vim by undergraduate students"
rough sapphire
there would be a lot of ctrl-c :p
graceful basin
C-z, C-c, C-x, alt+f4, esc esc esc. Some of these would even work
solid pollen
Pythonistas of the internet that use GitHub 2FA, how do you manage your access token on your computer? Because the git credential cache does a great job at forgetting it at every restart, even if I set a very large timeout >.>
undone berry
The guy in Greggs called me out for going in nearly every day
undone berry
pretty much
rough sapphire
should've responded with something like "well I don't see you here any less often"
gentle moss
hah
frosty berry
@solid pollen i don't understand the question, i do use 2fa for github, but it's only for the web, and my session lasts quite long, i rarely have to reconnect, and for the git stuff, i always use the ssh keys to clone, not sure it's even possible to keep using https once you turns 2fa on.
solid pollen
Ah yeah, I use https instead of ssh
The login protocol is quite weird, you have to use your username as your login and a token as the password
I guess I'll just use ssh now
frosty berry
oh right well then of course it wouldn't work ๐ yep, ssh is better anyway.
you can edit the .ssh/config file in your repository to update the remote to the ssh scheme
rough sapphire
I came here as fast as I could
for I have found..
this
hmm.. lot less impressive without a preview embed
frosty berry
oh my, i might finaly learn linear algebra, i guess ๐
gentle moss
hahaha
plucky ridge
๐ถ One of these things is not like the other ๐ถ
gentle moss
abolish the home office
fossil solar
why did ya stop working on ur youtube channel hemlock
undone berry
Abolish Priti Patel
plucky ridge
Eh, I don't know
I just reached a point where I stopped enjoying doing it
Editing is tedious and not fun, no one really watched anyway.
I never really considered myself entertaining to begin with
It was mainly because a few friends enjoyed it
fossil solar
oh
plucky ridge
I mean the original reason I started was to record myself doing Kaizo Mario
Then I just kind of
Kept going I guess
fossil solar
300 views on that
gentle moss
Priti Patel is a special kind of evil
shoot her into the sun, it's the only way to be sure she's not a threat
plucky ridge
300 on the original one?
fossil solar
ur first vid
plucky ridge
Ah yeah
fossil solar
298*
undone berry
you have one with 7.4k
plucky ridge
When it stopped being fun to do I just couldn't convince myself to keep doing it
fossil solar
How old were you when you started
undone berry
I feel like you really have to enjoy making youtube videos to have a good chance of success
fossil solar
yea
undone berry
the same way Priti Patel enjoys being an evil bitch
plucky ridge
What's the date of that first video?
fossil solar
Mar 31, 2010
gentle moss
that smirk. smh my head
plucky ridge
20
fossil solar
wow
plucky ridge
Jesus, that really was 10 years ago
fossil solar
yea
light hawk
fossil solar
!resources
royal lakeBOT
fossil solar
?
undone berry
Mentioning your youtube channel set me on a path fo clicking on the links in your discord profile - now i'm very indirectly re-downloading Game Dev Tycoon because of you Hemlock
undone berry
Python can be used to make games, but if thats your only goal, starting with Unity/C# might be better
Python isn't really used in any big or popular games afaik
undone berry
Then yeah, you can make cool games in Python
with Arcade or Pygame
its a good way to spend free time - especially if you enjoy it
fossil solar
How do guys find ways of practising sql or keeping in touch with it? Like I don't find a reason to use it as I use ORM, but I think it will be important to know somewhere down the line
frosty berry
Kivy is also a possible option for simple 2D games, like arcade or pygame, 3D support is limited but present, if you want to do 3D you'll want to look at Panda3D or ursina (which is built on top of Panda3D)
smoky spire
!e
import random
x = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
y = random.choice(x)
print(y)
royal lakeBOT
Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.
fossil solar
What languages do you guys use in ur daily life other than python?
undone berry
I use HTML/CSS/JS far more than I use Python
fossil solar
Ooh
dusky orchid
English
graceful basin
kotlin, JS, C
fossil solar
Is it easy to remember multiple language syntax?
undone berry
yes
fossil solar
Like ;
undone berry
IDEs make basic syntax very easy to know
undone berry
Recently not that many projects. Just helping others with random web crap
In the near future, I need to do 2 different mobile apps which will be Python for the backend + Flutter for the front
undone berry
They're university coursework, so thoroughly uninteresting. One is a battleships game, the other is a sort of ebay like marketplace
fossil solar
Wow u get such stuff in university ๐ฎ
undone berry
Why is that surprising?
One is for a programming unit, one is for a businessy group work oriented unit
Both of which are pretty standard at unis
fossil solar
I don't know much about universities as I am not there yet, so yea it is surprising and I'm excited
Cool
undone berry
Fair enough - you're going to uni in NL right? The people I know studying in NL do a lot of Java
but thats probably just their uni
they also do a lot of groupwork
fossil solar
I have only applied, they haven't told me yet if I am accepted.
I have applied to only 1
I can apply to 3 more
fossil solar
I will wait for my 12th marks
My final exams will start on March 4th
My 11th performance isn't that good, as I don't concentrate on languages so my % droped
I hope they find my cv compelling*
U guys follow discord on Instagram? Looks like they got an event going on
plucky ridge
... now i'm very indirectly re-downloading Game Dev Tycoon because of you Hemlock
@undone berry That's a consequence I can live with
It's such a good game
gusty oar
play "mad games tycoon" its better
more detailed , better micro management system and more realistic
visual ravine
Play apex legends it's good
plucky ridge
Ah, okay
I have seen this one around
I feel like there was a level of complexity I wasn't really wanting in it
Game Dev was like the perfect mix for me
Hard to explain
I might just be getting old
(at least according to my knees)
undone berry
GDT gets the complexity level right I think
it might be too simplistic if you're approaching it from a minimax POV
but taking it as what it is, its very fun
plucky ridge
Although there are a couple mods that make it juuuuuuuuuuuust right
Like there's one where working will minimally increase your stats
Which helps balance things out a bit better, I think
Training was almost a chore
frosty berry
@amber glacier it's probably going to be hard to go after teens, but if they made serious money with it, there is probably something to do about it, and it should be done before they learn they can get away with that sort of stuff.
amber glacier
But how can I go after them if I only have an Instagram or Twitter handle?
graceful basin
ask a lawyer
amber glacier
The furthest I ever got with one of them was a PayPal account.
frosty berry
how do they sell it? there has to be a name attached to these transactions.
undone berry
In anything involving legal matters, its by far the best to talk to an actual solicitor. However, that costs money which you probably don't want to spend. You could try posting on something like /r/uklegaladvice
amber glacier
They find customers via social media and take payments via friends & family PayPal transactions.
undone berry
If its a teenager selling things, its probably paypal
so I'd guess they have some sort of systems in place for htis stuff
frosty berry
but yeah, a lawyer would certainly give you a rough idea of what you could do in a short conversation, certainly without charging you for just that info.
they'll probably charge you if you decide to go on with them though.
graceful basin
there is also a certain thing where you only pay the lawyer if you win
amber glacier
No win no fee.
frosty berry
yeah, that's certainly a thing.
undone berry
I'd guess that theres no lawyer going to do that over a teenager selling fortnite bots
amber glacier
If only I could get Epic Games to help me. ๐
They sue kids for selling cheats for a lot of money.
undone berry
How is this guy advertising?
In my experience, its normally janky forums and subreddits
amber glacier
Social media.
undone berry
you might be able to talk to moderators of subreddits/fb pages
tight coral
5k$ is more serious than a talk with a moderator
graceful basin
you could get them audited due to taxes
amber glacier
Luckily when it's via GitHub (I know stupid) or YouTube I can contact them and they'll help me.
But Instagram & Twitter don't give a crap.
undone berry
Well, my guess is that a lawyer isn't really going to be that much help. So you're just going to have to try and stop the person selling bots
graceful basin
maybe advertise over them
undone berry
yeah
amber glacier
I sent a C&D to one like 5 months ago and he was scared shitless and stopped.
@graceful basin Advertise on their Twitter threads?
frosty berry
hm, on twitter, you could maybe go public with it and try to get the attention of open clause & free software people about the license violation
graceful basin
sure, just make sure that people are aware of this
no one will pay for free stuff
amber glacier
It's annoying because I usually find them after they've made a lot of money.
undone berry
well yeah, but then you have to accept that some snotty brat made 5k off your work
stopping them isn't really enough
but probably the only option
amber glacier
I think people are also selling on TikTok which is even worse.
Since I don't use TikTok and wouldn't even know where to start if I even wanted to find them.
frosty berry
if you can make sure the people who paid are aware they got ripped off, that's a few hundred people that should be unhappy with them
amber glacier
I always do after people "vouch" them for being "legit".
tight coral
A few hundred angry young children won't do much @frosty berry
amber glacier
I wish I did what they're doing originally but I couldn't live with myself If I sold something so simple.
tight coral
What's sad if you can't do anything is that the system prefer to protect scammer than open-source people
undone berry
thats mostly because scammers have money and open source people don't
much easier to defend the thing that earns you money, than to spend other money trying to put a stop to something
tight coral
Ask a breaking change in the fortnite Api and don't update your library (kidding)
amber glacier
The sad thing is, is when there is a breaking change the sellers don't care to update their customers software.
tight coral
At least they can't sell new ones
amber glacier
And Fortnite make breaking changes around every ~4 weeks.
tight coral
If they're teenagers I'm sure you can find their identity by "spying" on them but...
amber glacier
Wondered how I sent the C&D?
tight coral
yes
amber glacier
The guy though when he was selling that he needed to send his billing address or whatever for the customer to input.
frosty berry
make sure the software says clearly to the user that it's free software, and they paid for it they got scammed and should repport the seller or something.
amber glacier
That's what I was planning on adding.
A simple print statement that says (This is free software. If you paid for it, you were scammed.)
frosty berry
at least it'll be more work for the scammers to remove it from the code, it'll stop the less clever ones from doing it.
tight coral
Put it in bold letter and at the front of the page
amber glacier
I could make a new package which the bot depends on and when you import it, it'll print the statement.
frosty berry
ah, it'll take them more time to find where it's from indeed ๐
graceful basin
especially if you import it with importlib
tight coral
nice idea
graceful basin
in the middle of a large file
frosty berry
and if you don't store the message in plain text, but use rot13 or something on it.
or base64
or both
tight coral
To avoid ctrl-F thing
amber glacier
None of them know Python.
tight coral
And put this in a big commit
frosty berry
make sure you commit that change at the part of another, larger change, so it's not easy to spot it in git history, in case
tight coral
to avoid git bissect
frosty berry
ah damn, you beat me to that
amber glacier
Planning on adding a big update to the software soon.
tight coral
lol
amber glacier
Perfect timing.
And the even better thing, it's going to require a few more packages.
tight coral
@frosty berry At least we agree
amber glacier
So sneaking one in might not be an issue.
graceful basin
you could ask #esoteric-python for a hard to find way to add it
tight coral
If it's too esoteric it will be seen
With the money they get, and their initiative, they'll contact a developer
Again, I suggest to deep into the legal action you can make, it's the biggest thread
graceful basin
well, obviously you combine a functionally critical part along with the message in an esoteric way
tight coral
Or before that, try to reach parents
amber glacier
Is codecs a base module?
tight coral
yes from ddgo
frosty berry
it is
graceful basin
I would suggest a checksum on the file to prevent tampering, but that defeats the point of open source
frosty berry
not sure it's a great idea to shadow it if that's your idea
tight coral
codec is too self-explanatory
frosty berry
your 5k will disappear fast if you start relying on developers to look into the software for the cause.
graceful basin
they may have python-capable friends
graceful basin
though those may struggle to navigate the codebase
tight coral
If the project is small, it's easy
amber glacier
I could just put a shit ton of classes, functions and stuff into the "package"
and just hide the print statement somewhere.
tight coral
I'm sure they can find people for free
tight coral
By putting it like a challenge to solve
graceful basin
how many print statement can there really be
tight coral
People love to solve challenges
graceful basin
oh yes, that might work
amber glacier
But what if I write to stdout directly
tight coral
Young developers are easy to enrol...
frosty berry
sys.stdr.write()
tight coral
They'll search the message
graceful basin
you could create a process and print it from there
tight coral
Not the function
amber glacier
How can they search a message
graceful basin
and obfuscate the message
amber glacier
If it's a rot_13 message encoded with base64?
tight coral
They don't know functions, they won't look into them
amber glacier
I can make it look like it's supposed to be a Fortnite thing.
frosty berry
we already discussed the message thing, yeah rot13 and/or base64 should be enough
amber glacier
Since Fortnite uses a bit of base64 tokens.
tight coral
even nicer
I've to go, but I'd love to see where it goes (and maybe help if I can), how can I reach you?
amber glacier
Discord DMs would be the best way.
frosty berry
and make sure your program crash with a very cryptic message when it's ran in a debugger
fallow turtle
@amber glacier do you freeze your program and what do you use if you do, btw?
tight coral
It's a bit again open-sourcing, but it's a particular case
amber glacier
I don't squeeze.
tight coral
Fondamentally, your issue canโt be solved by programming
frosty berry
assuming capable developers in front of you, yes
but raising the bar can be pretty effective
tight coral
People will only see the message after buying the software ๐ฆ
frosty berry
hm, if it's paid through paypal, it could be enough for them to ask for a refund
you can complain on there, right?
plucky ridge
Yep
graceful basin
yep
tight coral
Yes
tight coral
itโs also very protective for the buyer
plucky ridge
Thankfully
frosty berry
i've seen a couple horror stories from sellers, that was a long time ago, sometime it was too much, dunno if they adjusted
graceful basin
maybe make the message print on the second run only
๐
and all subsequent ones, naturally
amber glacier
I thought PayPal never refunded Friends & Family payments unless it was unauthorised with proof?
frosty berry
(one about a violin was particularly aweful, not only the customer got his money back, but he destroyed the violin for it, so the seller had lost both the money and the ancient violin)
gentle moss
oh man, i remember that one
undone berry
If friends and family is being abused, I'm sure Paypal would take aciton
gentle moss
the buyer questioned the authenticity of the antique violin and paypal forced him to smash the violin to get his money back
rather than send the violin back to the seller
undone berry
I blame Elon Musk
gentle moss
too right
frosty berry
i'm sure we can blame peter thiel just as much
frosty berry
i was recently reading about how they got ebay sellers to adopt paypal back in the days
they had bots bidding on stuff, but saying they would only pay through paypal, and that the thing they bought would go to charities
they had to find a charity that would accept random stuff, though
frosty berry
they found one, i'm not sure which anymore, but they did it, and they got massive adoption at a relative low cost apparently
that was before they sued ebay for non competitive practices and then got bought by them
anyway, time to go out for pizza ๐
gentle moss
my biggest gripe about paypal is probably how its failed to be regulated like a bank
when it clearly functions a lot like a bank
frosty berry
well, it succeeded in not being regulated as a bank, rather
undone berry
Pretty much the entire finance industry is oriented around skirting around legislation to the highest degree possible
or by lobbying to change the legislation
frosty berry
i'm not sure about that, reading from some guy working for stripe on twitter, seems they like at least some of the regulation, it allows them not to mess up, no regulation would mean even more risk taking on some things, because competition would force them, i think
gentle moss
the biggest issue is how they use their customers funds
because they're not a bank they have a lot of scope to do shit with your money
vestal briar
What are users rights in legal terms?
Basically donating money to paypal and hoping they'll give it back?
gentle moss
yeah, kinda
they never actually hold your money
they funnel your money to a real bank
frosty berry
A bank doesn't use money, it uses debt. Any company can do that. Your users liquidities shouldn't play any role in that.
gentle moss
a bank is legally required to hold reserve up to a value of their debt though
because paypal doesn't hold funds they're not legally required to do any of that
theoretically they could gamble a shit load of customer's money, go bankrupt through bad bets and the customer would have very little recourse other than suing them
where as a bank that did the same would, in theory, have a much stronger obligation in a similar situation
although we've seen that's generally not the case
:D
plucky ridge
Oh shit, you're right, I didn't even think about the fact that they're not a part of the FDIC
Interesting
rough sapphire
I really don't like paypal
Because of what bisk said
that's putting too much trust on elon musk
Which i also don't like as a person
gentle moss
well they sold it yo, can't blame him anymore really
undone berry
I have a three month jetbrains pro pack. I already have that for free as a student, so if anyone else has a use for it, let me know by @ing me here
gentle moss
ich nichten lichten
tulip palm
:D
gentle moss
gentle moss
:D
thorn snow
when you discover that you can use namedtuples as dict keys
gloves are off
or in other words: when you discover namedtuples
terse sluice
surprisingly haven't lost a pick in a while
vestal briar
I know where I dropped one but it's magiced itself out of existance
gentle moss
stick them under the pick guard
vestal briar
I'll try that once I beg for another pick
vestal briar
Yeah
gentle moss
and since you're new to guitar
maybe get a collection pack of different sizes
i have between 0.5mm and 1.5mm picks
vestal briar
I was using my dads 1mm and got semi-used to playing with them, same story with the .48 I lost
Hmm, looks like this achient guitar does not have a pick guard really5
gentle moss
you can also wedge them in the strings
vestal briar
Suppose I'll do that
gentle moss
or, you can do as i've done during sessions
think you've lost them
wander around asking where your pick is
then realise it's hanging out your mouth
vestal briar
๐ guitarist version of "losing" a pen that's in your hand?
gentle moss
preeeeetty much
gentle moss
nn o/
rough sapphire
nite nite
wanton nimbus
yo has anyone used vmware vsphere linux b4 and is willing to help me with it
it is quite confusing
please @ me if yes
sand goblet
That can't be right..
solid pollen
Well, googling #OurMine shows up some videos
rough sapphire
I see a bunch of channels with this
solid pollen
rough sapphire
spanish, brazilian.. american
so can't be a coordinated effort in collaboration with the channels
btw regarding the short urls.. how many urls can you maintain like that
sand goblet
I mean it's not on any channels I follow
rough sapphire
I remember google had a url shortening service before they shut it down.. but I imagine they must have one running internally
solid pollen
Yeah, it is firebase
sand goblet
There are videos from two years ago that are like "I was hacked by ourmine"
rough sapphire
I dont mean the kv store.. I mean, the number of urls
with those alphanumeric cominations
sand goblet
As many as you can have combinations of characters ofc
Anyway yeah it looks like another big hack
Wonder what the mechanism is
sand goblet
It's running in a VM, of course just closing the terminal doesn't stop it
rough sapphire
they had that ticket open for years now.. since 2016
also.. what can I do about this :,
gentle moss
oof
@modern island perhaps don't post a fork bomb with no explaination of what it is
in fact, probably don't post a fork bomb ever
you could just say you ran it rather than posting it
gentle moss
writing an email
"effect... affect... effect... affect................ impact."
oak tangle
I will effect a policy affecting all of our users
solid pollen
Arg, linux's bugs are fun sometimes
Right now, if I use the render engine Cycles on blender and make it render something, my speaker starts to make some random noise
undone berry
Blenders are normally pretty loud
gentle moss
that can be hardware
solid pollen
Don't know
If I switch to eevee it doesn't do any sound
And it doesn't do that on Windows
gentle moss
that is weird
summer vector
Kali linux now im a hackeh
solid pollen
Tell me you didn't choose kali as your daily distro
summer vector
Uhhhhhh im using mangarina
But if i would love to hacke some stuff i will use kala lanax
Because only real hackers use kala
undone berry
Speaking of Linux in a non-meme sense - if I install Manjaro on a drive thats currently used for Ubuntu, I'm not gonna break my GRUB right? I'm pretty sure I've fucked myself like that before
summer vector
Same here
solid pollen
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
summer vector
Idk really
undone berry
I have literally everything I need for another PC except for the cables - I wonder if its worth setting that up instead of dual booting on my current PC
can't break Windows that way
solid pollen
I mean, if you have the hardware, go for it
gentle moss
always build more computers
frosty berry
@undone berry grub will certainly install itself in place of the grub from ubuntu, but it should be smart enough to detect the ubuntu installation and add it to the list of things to boot, i think, if it's not, then you'll need to chroot to ubuntu and reinstall its grub, and it should be smart enough to detect manjaro as well as itself.
undone berry
I want to ditch Ubuntu
frosty berry
oh
undone berry
just by putting Manjaro in its place
that wasn't clear from my message tbf - sorry about that
frosty berry
i assumed a different partition on the same disk
ok, well, i don't see how that could fail, if manjaro's installation is working, and i think it is considering the number of people that use it.
undone berry
Alright thats good - I just know in the past I did something I thought would obviously work and broke both my Windows and Ubuntu installs
frosty berry
it's usually possible to repair a borked grub from a live cd/usb and chroot.
rough sapphire
I'm having a hard time figuring out why my micropc's keyboard isn't working in early init (like when entering the passphrase via sd-encrypt)
I think it's an autodetection bug, as keyboard does work if I put the keyboard hook before the autodetect hook (thus loading every keyboard driver)
frosty berry
i think i did have issues with some wireless keyboards (with a radio dongle, so should be seen just like a regular keyboard), in early boot in the past, didn't investigate, but that was a PITA.
rough sapphire
the microPC keyboard is, as far as I've gathered, connected as a PS/2 device, which I guess can cause issues
frosty berry
here is a name i didn't hear in a long time
rough sapphire
is it worth learning linux
not linux
php
i mean
lol
i already know linux :d
frosty berry
i would say no then (i would have said yes for linux)
rough sapphire
so no for php
frosty berry
i gladly forgot almost everything i knew about php
rough sapphire
lol
summer vector
Php is good to learn if you are learning security and websec at all
It is not so good for daily use imo
rough sapphire
@gentle moss i'd be surprised if it had a real PS/2 interface, i'm assuming it's emulated on the firmware level
gentle moss
is it old enough to not support a USB keyboard at boot?
rough sapphire
no, it's very new, it charges via a usb3 type-c port :p I'm unsure why they decided to emulate the built in keyboard as PS/2 and not connect it to a USB bus or something
i'm guessing it's cheaper, don't have to buy a separate usb controller for the keyboard board
gentle moss
interesting choice
rough sapphire
then again, they included a fucking rs232 port so I'm not sure they'd cheap out on the keyboard
gentle moss
rofl
frosty berry
serial and usb-c on the same box, not something i expected to see ๐
gentle moss
that's something
frosty berry
is that 30 years between them?
rough sapphire
where's the parallel port? i need to hook up my printer to it
isn't rs232 from, like, the sixties?
gentle moss
yeah
frosty berry
i find references to the 80s but not much info about the origin of it, it's probably a tad older than that
ah no, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-232 indeed the 60s
gentle moss
and yet i still have to keep a connector in my laptop bag because people wont stop putting them on switches
grr
frosty berry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature
The D-sub series of connectors was introduced by Cannon in 1952.[1] Cannon's part-numbering system uses D as the prefix for the whole series, followed by one of A, B, C, D, or E denoting the shell size, followed by the number of pins or sockets, followed by either P (plug or pins[2]) or S (socket) denoting the gender of the part. Each shell size usually (see below for exceptions) corresponds to a certain number of pins or sockets: A with 15, B with 25, C with 37, D with 50, and E with 9.[3] For example, DB-25 denotes a D-sub with a 25-position shell size and a 25-position contact configuration.
so the connector itself is only slightly younger than fortran and cobol.
autumn herald
also known as
"our old machine in the lab have this and nobody have a computer that support it anymore"
"let's do the trash of the uni to find one"
frosty berry
at this point, i think we can expect it to be supported to the end of times, as it's been around since the dawn of them.
gentle moss
i mean it's definitely true of cisco kit
unboxed a brand new edge router last year
like ยฃ5k of kit
rs-232 on the front
frosty berry
works well in industrial environment, supports the electrical noise better than usb, i was told.
frosty berry
you have to destroy the whole face of your appliance to do that, ๐
gentle moss
TP-Link have started putting micro USB on the front of their switches
frosty berry
micro usb is so fragile
gentle moss
but i've had no success in actually getting minicom to recognise it
so i'm glad they're still putting rj45 consoles on them
i can see breaking a micro usb in a moment of "huh?" while holding a connected laptop
frosty berry
you really want hardware that tolerate messups like this.
gentle moss
indeed
rough sapphire
w- why do the taxis have windows
sand goblet
so you can see out of 'em
gentle moss
haha
vapid bluff
that looks like a windows xp blue screen
vapid bluff
what did bsod look like on win 7
i jumped straight from xp to 8
ok so could be windows 7
vapid bluff
windows 7 embedded also exists iirc
undone berry
I really don't get how that comes to be the case - surely its easier to develop that kind of thing on not-Windows and cheaper to ship it on not-Windows
why the fuck does it use Windows?
gentle moss
because .net developers
sand goblet
gentle moss
but then they make back loads of ad revenue
maybe they lease the roof out and don't pay for it
undone berry
Yeah, they do - but I feel like the same thing could be achieved with a Raspberry Pi and two janky monitor panels
for like ยฃ500
new business for me right there
gentle moss
i mean digital signage is a growing business
estate agent near me just had a really shitty touch screen brochure put up in their window
hilariously it freaks the fuck out when it gets rained on
vapid bluff
could be a driver thing
gentle moss
assumes they're touch inputs
undone berry
There was recently a thing where a bunch of shops got ripped off
vapid bluff
maybe the screen theyre using only has drivers for windows embedded
something like that
undone berry
because they paid to have digital signs up in their shops
told they would get ad revenue back
gentle moss
that seems unlikely. screens are screens
undone berry
and then the ad company went bust, but the rental company carried on charging them - (this message was more typo than message)
gentle moss
hahah
vapid bluff
what do these screens show ordinarily?
gentle moss
adverts for shit in london
undone berry
The idea was essentially a pyramid scheme. It was sold as: you put signs up in your shop, you get ad revenue back for free, and other shops will advertise you for free
oh that
yeah
vapid bluff
hmm
do they have other stuff in there that runs on an OS? meters, radios etc?
maybe it's all one centralized system running windows?
sand goblet
they are
thorn snow
gentle moss
hah
rough sapphire
I'm the fastest gun north, south, east, aaaaaaaand west of the Pecos!
solid pollen
๐ ๐ ๐
undone berry
Its kinda sad that Bojack ended - it definitely wasn't perfect, but there are no other major comedies that even come close to being as interesting. I really enjoy that it tells a progessive story rather than being pinned in time like practically every other cartoon
undone berry
Futurama is pretty good - but its only the last season that lives up to it
Disenchanted is just a bit boring
undone berry
I dunno - I just find most episodes boring or annoying (the elf I just find irritating)
In fact, thinking about it, Futurama is fantastic
I might just go rewatch that
plucky ridge
I know it wasn't, but that felt like such a weird heel turn
plucky ridge
How do you mean?
gentle moss
have you seen the latest series?
plucky ridge
Ah no, I'm severely behind
gentle moss
i shant spoil it for you then
plucky ridge
Cheers
undone berry
No, thats a sitcom from the 90s
plucky ridge
Har har
undone berry
I was also wrong and its the 80s
gentle moss
i'm watching star trek and all i can see every time they teleport now is turd splats
thanks @dusky orchid
rough sapphire
@gentle moss Which one?
pine vector
I love Archer. but after like season 3, it just got...tiresome. and then H. Jon Benjamin popped up in Arby's commercials...and there were no references to getting ants. ๐ฆ
undone berry
The fucking Ferengi make DS9 unwatchable for me
gentle moss
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
They don't seem to progress either
Just consistently sexist and awful
rough sapphire
Next Generation or bust
night jolt
hey can i ask a quick question?
frosty berry
!ask
royal lakeBOT
night jolt
nvm all good:D
thorn snow
I am not a good Freddie
tight phoenix
Why is there no meme channel? Do python programmers not like memes
rough sapphire
why would a server for python discussion need a meme channel? The internet is full of memes, I really don't see why yet another meme dumping ground would be necessary
tight phoenix
fair
gentle moss
btw you might want to read the nickname policy @tight phoenix
your nickname isn't easily mentionable so is probably (definitely) not in line with that
tight phoenix
I did, thanks for the hint
rough sapphire
cheers boss
gentle moss
sighs
123-reg are still total arse hats
once again i've encountered a domain i can't change the IPS tag on
and they've disabled their 24/7 live chat support
so i guess i'll have to harass them on the phone.
a full 2 minutes of automated menus before i can get to hold.
this does not bode well
i think they may have slashed their support department
undone berry
It might just be shit because its the weekend
gentle moss
nah, i've had to do this a bunch of times on saturdays in the past 6 months
it's never been this bad
undone berry
oof
123reg definitely seems like the kind of company I expect to die in the next few years
gentle moss
probably not tbh
undone berry
its got literally nothing going for it I feel like
gentle moss
they've got a seat at NOMINET
they're pretty big
i think they're somehow owned by godaddy now
or something
In April 2017, American hosting company GoDaddy acquired 123-reg's parent company, HEG, for 1.69 billion euros ($1.82 billion).
Employees 51โ200 (February 2020)
big oof
undone berry
Ah sure.
maybe it'll just get folded into GoDaddy
I've used 123-reg like twice
and both times it was just worse than fastcomet/godaddy
gentle moss
i keep having the same problem with .co.uk domains
it wont set a new IPS tag
i have to get in touch with support every time and they have to change it manually
their whole backend system is just a clusterfuck
and still no 2FA
the one nice thing about their phone support is that it gives you the option to mute hold music
sand goblet
I wish 3 did that when I was with them
"Three.. is the magic number.. yes it is.. it's the magic number.."
gentle moss
oh jesus
OH JESUS IT DID 2 RINGS
AND THEN WENT TO ANOTHER AUTOMATED MESSAGE
fuck off i got excited there
so while waiting for support i figured i'd try to migrate more .co.uk domains to AWS
none of them worked.
i'm gonna get decent value out of this support call if it kills me
great, because i missed the music prompt i now have to listen to smooth jazz for 10 minutes
rough sapphire
smooth jazz will be deployed in 3... 2...
gentle moss
i got through \o/
"oh i can change that IPS tag for you. will that be all?"
"no, i have 12 others."
"i'm sorry i can't change the IPS tag because your other provider isn't responding to handshakes"
"so how come i moved 2 over this morning?"
"i uhhh... one second." [hold music]
oh god this new hold music is worse
it's like old rag timey shit
annnnd they're palming it off onto GANDI
it's totally the fault of one of the largest domain provider's on the planet and not the small pissy UK company who can barely operate a business
undone berry
Someone just couldn't be arsed with you despite it being their job
now you get bounced around for two weeks
which I assume is fun for you
gentle moss
i find it so strange that some shit just works instantly when i'm moving domains and other shit just doesn't work
i could get it if it worked but was delayed, like 24-48 hours or w/e
propagation and the likes
such a varied difference in time scales is pissing me off
modern island
@solid pollen so I can generate vertexes for the center of my spiral tube, but idk how can I turn it into the actual thing?
solid pollen
You need to apply a solidify modifier using the modifier tab in the viewport (the little wrench)
tired osprey
nice discord thing i found out today.....if youre into the regex syntax of perl
s/text/x does actually do what youd expect it to do
rough sapphire
why do some people call pendrive as thumbdrive ?
undone berry
why does anything have multiple names?
rough sapphire
i hate it when i am looking for pendrive folder just to found out there is no folder but one with thumbdrive
undone berry
but I hear thumbdrive far more often than pendrive
rough sapphire
I hear pendrive more
graceful basin
I just hear a USB, a USB drive, a flashdisk, a flashdrive
undone berry
never heard flashdisk before
gentle moss
usb sticks tbh
pen drive is an ooold name for them
probably because they came with lids and were longer
frosty berry
soon we'll stop calling them, because we'll stop using them, so that question will only interest historians ๐
gentle moss
i wonder what the new usb stick type thing will be
i hope it's glass cubes or something cool like that
rough sapphire
Hello!!
thorny inlet
hi
glacial owl
New usb sticks are weird
They look like you took USB drive and broke off the USB port.
I've seen drives that are 80% port itself and yet hold gigabytes of data.
glacial owl
Neat
gentle moss
so robust
undone berry
and am progressively losing them
gentle moss
i've probably got about 8, including my work ones
i have two on my car keys
one's a boot stick with tools on it and the other is just for carrying stuff
undone berry
I carried a USB around with my car keys for a while - but it died fairly quickly
maybe I should start again
sand goblet
Those are hard to find and expensive here, so I have a few of these
undone berry
was pretty useful
gentle moss
my key kingstons look pretty beat up by now, but still working
kingston also do a great encrypted stick
they're expensive, but fully encrypted with hardware
i keep all of my work ssh keys, sensitive documents, etc on that
wrong pin 5 times and it self wipes \o/
rough sapphire
yaaass the little ones.
I feel like a car key USB ls likely to be damaged. It shouldnt ever be the important backup tho
I like to use the ones that are as small as possible as live boots on little cheap portable laptops that you wouldnt think could have a good use but do.
vestal briar
Altered Carbon is really one of them shows which just start like you'd expect then just falls into madness and chaos
pine vector
lots of threads to pull on the story. i love it. i am quite tempted to read the books, but i'd likely not make time to actually read them.
undone berry
If you haven't read fiction in a while, I can highly recommend it, after you get in the habit, there's something very rewarding about reading that you don't quite get with other forms of entertainment
I think because it requires some amount of input in the form of imagination
pine vector
the last couple fiction titles i read were Andy Wier books. they read so easy though, i finished them quickly. ๐
vestal briar
Oh shoot its a book
rough sapphire
I'm on the 3rd episode of season 2, and it's... slow.
pine vector
ngl, i like Joel Kinneman Takeshi better. ๐
rough sapphire
He seemed more sarcastic
Curious if the guy who plays Poe is in anything else. He's great.
glacial owl
https://learngitbranching.js.org/ hey, check it out, pretty cool git tutorial
agile jolt
Initiate fun in fun zone
ebon vessel
how can a usb wipe itself?
can't you just unplug it ?
unless it has some internal battery
rough sapphire
Define "wipe"
rough sapphire
Considering SSDs and flash memory have wear leveling, you can't "wipe" them like you can with HDDs
rough sapphire
most ssd controllers have secure erase functionality built in
Sure, but that boils down to hoping the controllers implemented it right.
Which isn't something I think people should depend on
ebon vessel
I was just referencing bisk's usb s/he posted
rough sapphire
Ah, gotcha. Yeah I wouldn't trust those either
ebon vessel
its kingston
they probably know a thing or two
but who knows if they added a backdoor
probably better do just get a regular usb and then use an app
rough sapphire
I'm not even talking backdoors. There have been numerous instances of well meaning people doing their own encryption and messing it up in spectacular ways
rough sapphire
You'd be surprised.
ebon vessel
of course vulenarbilites will al ways exist and eventually be found
but if I am going to buy an encrypted usb, samsung and kingston, and wd are probably good bets
rough sapphire
Yeah.
ebon vessel
or the underlying encryption algorithm?
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
They who?
ebon vessel
samsung, etcd.
rough sapphire
How?
ebon vessel
plug in usb? update firmware?
rough sapphire
If you mean the ability to re-flash the drive's firmware, how would you know it needed updated to begin with?
ebon vessel
seems straighforward to me
idk samsung emails you
I am just asking if it is possible from a technical standpoint
rough sapphire
How would they e-mail you if you just bought the device from, say, a retail store?
rough sapphire
I'd be surprised if they implemented firmware flashing capabilities in a supposedly secure USB drive, as that's an additional attack vector they'd probably like to avoid
ebon vessel
agreed
but they can't expect that stuff to stay secure for its lifetime
someone is gonna find some issue with it
rough sapphire
So, why would you depend on hardware-based encryption?
๐
well, it's more beneficial for them to be like "yeah, just buy our newer model, it doesn't have this vuln" than go around patching older units
rough sapphire
It works with Android, after all. ๐
It's more or less the concept behind planned obsolescence in general.
ebon vessel
never did I say that I was
rough sapphire
ehhh, hardware crypto is a bit of a meme, I don't really trust it regardless
ebon vessel
is LUKS considered software or hardware?
rough sapphire
software
software
LUKS everything, LUKS is great
LUKS is pretty amazing
an open standard that anyone can vet, unlike hardware crypto memes
ebon vessel
ahh
well can't get LUKS everywhere
I think only ext4
not exfat, which is what most usbs use
rough sapphire
poor windows support, unfortunately
as Microsoft is pushing their own (proprietary) software encryption
bitlocker
so they refuse to properly implement LUKS support
ebon vessel
I hate bitlocker
I dualboot with my laptop
bitlocker bitches everytime after I boot into linux
so everytime I have to go into my ms account and get the unlock key
which is like 16 chars
is blockchain technology good for write only logs?
rough sapphire
Can you explain what you mean?
ebon vessel
well I saw the title of this article
something along the lines of hackers erasing logs
but blockchains are supposed to be write only
so if you use bloackchains for logs the hackers can't erase the logs
rough sapphire
I think something like https://www.graylog.org/ already fixes that
ebon vessel
I don't see anything for write only logs
tired osprey
if you get to the point where you actually gotta log thousands or hundreds of thousands of events youll get the problem that the signature and hashing algorithms used to make the blockchain unchangable are actually absurdely high and will slow down your logging so much its gets useless
so no
blockchain for logging except if you got a really fast blockchain method is not gonna scale well
alternatively your logging network would need to have lots of participants but eh
solid pollen
Why would you use a block chain for logging
tired osprey
then theyll be spending more of their computational power to actually get stuff into the chain than to do the thing whatever theyre supposed to do
because its immutable
solid pollen
I mean, logs are logs, there isn't really any point in making them unmutables
Or at least it wouldn't be worth it
tired osprey
i can imagine that in high security / secrecy environments this might be desirable
i mean there are certain people doing like
IPSec inside IPSec inside IPSec
which reduces their network speed to like modem quality
gentle moss
blockchain for logs is definitely a thing
as nix says, because they can't be tampered
undone berry
What's a good way to store passwords that multiple people need access to?
Currently have paypal password in google sheets which probably isn't a good idea
tired osprey
when multiple people have access to the password youre already doing something wrong
undone berry
That seems like a fair point. I guess there's no right way to do it the wrong way
gentle moss
it's a common problem for our company
since we use a lot of services that only have single user accounts
so we have to share login details to that service between all 6 of us
undone berry
tbf, looking at some stuff like stock images, or other random crap I don't see other ways of doing it
I assume paypal specifically has a right way to fix this though
gentle moss
we have a company paypal and share the cred
there's probably an organisational paypal you can use
i haven't looked into it, but i bet they charge moniz for it
undone berry
I assume it is a thing also - and have no intention of investigating it
I'll just live with the Google sheet
tired osprey
if youre really doing it like that you might want to have a GPG key or something and encrypt / decrypt the pw like that
thats at least gonna be alittle more secure
@undone berry
undone berry
I'll have a look - for stuff like Paypal that seems worth the effort
ebon quarry
good evening
frosty berry
People use shared lastpass accounts (or similar) for this @undone berry
undone berry
Hm, they also have a paid teams thing that might be worth paying for
frosty berry
my previous company used that, though i somehow avoided using it at all myself ๐ฌ
solid pollen
_You wasn't an admin volcyy? _
stark prawn
WireGuard seems like a fun game.
ebon quarry
it is indeed
ebon vessel
I thought wireguard was the new vpn protocol