ot1-perplexing-regexing

[rough sapphire]

you said you got 20 years of experience

[gentle moss]

i'm 31 and i've been on the internet since i was 10 - 11

[rough sapphire]

damn

That's a long time 🙂

[gentle moss]

it's also why i view this is a user education issue rather than a flaw with the technology.

when you go on IRC your IP is exposed to world+dog unless you're using a proxy

[rough sapphire]

How old do you reckon I am?

you are true yes

[gentle moss]

and getting DDoS'd wasn't super common

[rough sapphire]

IRC isn't being used alot anymore tho

[gentle moss]

it is. it really is.

[rough sapphire]

I don't know anyone using IRC to chat

[gentle moss]

IRC is still massive

[rough sapphire]

hmm

[gentle moss]

twitch chat runs on IRC, for example.

[rough sapphire]

It does?

[gentle moss]

it does.

[rough sapphire]

I don't really know alot about IRC

Only that alot of forums etc died on it

[gentle moss]

it's an excellent chat protocol, hence why it's still used.

[rough sapphire]

yes

[gentle moss]

and i guess you're maybe 19 - 22

[rough sapphire]

not that close haha

younger

[gentle moss]

kind of being polite about it tbh :P

[rough sapphire]

?

[gentle moss]

user education is a super important issue in this day and age especially

[rough sapphire]

yes

But I'm looking through the perspective of my age generation

[gentle moss]

and it's not helpful to blame technologies for their structure, when the issue lies at lack of education etc.

[rough sapphire]

And trust me when I'm in school I don't think you can ask 99% what p2p is lol

[gentle moss]

yeah, and that's the problem.

[rough sapphire]

I'm just looking and defending the perspective of 14/15 year olds

[gentle moss]

people just aren't as aware as they could / should be about their digital safety

i mean even people in my age range aren't that well educated about it.

[rough sapphire]

It's mostly because children are very naive

[gentle moss]

i had loads of exposure to technology from a young age and it's given me a leg up

[rough sapphire]

I think that's the main issue

yes same

Learning from mistakes ^^

[gentle moss]

yes, but also being given enough information to make an informed choice.

Skype totally did that by saying it was a P2P system. it was just on you if you didn't know what that involved.

[rough sapphire]

True thing

Hence why I can see your opinion

But through the perspective of 14/15 year olds I don't think that's the case

[gentle moss]

it's not their fault they're dumb :')

¬_¬

[rough sapphire]

Dumb is a big word schools just don't pay enough attention to it 🙂

🎵 Young Dumb , Young dumb and brokeeeeeeeeeee 🎶

At the highest levels of my school people just start with html

[gentle moss]

at my job i have to deal with people of a load of age ranges

technological ignorance goes beyond age range

there are people i've had to tell the same thing like ~15+ times and they still don't learn.

[rough sapphire]

I think It's safe to say that most kids are less intelligent then some but not dumb

Also have you ever worked with epoll()?

teenagers are dumb

[plucky ridge]

I find it's less about people being dumb and more being unwilling to learn

[rough sapphire]

Hey don't offend me 🙂

like me

[gentle moss]

yeah hemlock

[rough sapphire]

you aren't only teen here ;-;

[gentle moss]

for a lot of people it's like

"well, it's just my job. why bother to learn?"

"support is always there."

[plucky ridge]

Well interestingly, we have a person here named Karen

[rough sapphire]

Well

[gentle moss]

does she work in HR?

[plucky ridge]

And by god she lives up to the meme stereotype

[terse sluice]

ah karen

[plucky ridge]

Nope

[gentle moss]

hah

[rough sapphire]

Learning is mostly about what people want to learn

And what interests them

in their spare time

hahahahaha

[plucky ridge]

To a point

[undone berry]

I also know a Karen that fits the meme perfectly

[gentle moss]

weirdly

[rough sapphire]

Can I talk to your manager?

[gentle moss]

i know one who sorta fits it

[rough sapphire]

I don't see 15 year olds being interested by these kind of topics

mostly

[gentle moss]

AND she works in HR

[rough sapphire]

Who are we talking about

[gentle moss]

Karens.

[plucky ridge]

Her mentality is literally "I know you're showing me how to do it, but I'd rather you just do it"

And it's something that's like

2 clicks

[gentle moss]

in terms of education of people in jobs, part of the issue of people not learning stuff and having to be told repeatedly is that it's bad for the business

[plucky ridge]

And we're in god damn tax season

No I'm not going to come running to fix that

[gentle moss]

makes their job more frustrating because they wont learn

[rough sapphire]

I wanna say a word that mean it , but someone will get triggered here

[gentle moss]

and loses work hours.

[plucky ridge]

@rough sapphire I'm proud of you for holding back then

[rough sapphire]

TY

😊

[gentle moss]

if users actually got better at using computers, their own work lives would be much easier

at least imo

[plucky ridge]

Agreed

[rough sapphire]

or atleast read the instruction

[plucky ridge]

Not to mention it would start to connect the dots for other computer issues they may have

[terse sluice]

speeds up the workflow so much

[gentle moss]

i'm very pro-user education over technical solutions

[plucky ridge]

As we should be

[gentle moss]

you can stick in as many different technical solutions to try and make a system usable by a chimp

[plucky ridge]

What's the saying? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?

Certainly applies here

[gentle moss]

yeah

throwing IT at (l)users is sometimes even counter productive

[rough sapphire]

You guys were allowed to write code in exams with a pencil ?

[gentle moss]

i never took no exams

[plucky ridge]

Allowed to?

We were required

We had a professor that wouldn't even let you use a computer for writing one of the programs in a test

But in fairness it was fairly simple

[rough sapphire]

my teacher says it will be considered rough work if done by pencils.

[gentle moss]

what are you supposed to do then? punch holes in the paper to make punch cards?

[rough sapphire]

use pens , to write 6-7 lines of code

we have practicals later. in which you have to do same but first in the PC

[frosty berry]

i've had to implement C programs on paper in exams.

[rough sapphire]

That's hard lol

C is my main language but I wouldn't say that some things are good to write on paper

Can't wait to give exam tomorrow and point out 10-15 mistake in a 28 question paper

What are the questions about?

basic python, numpy, mysql, virus, working of hdd , converting 10 base to 2 base

hm

[gentle moss]

hdd go zoom zoom zoom wiggle wiggle read dem magnets

then it go kerrchuck kerrchuck kerrrchuckchuckchuckuckuckuck bewwww

name the type of HDD failure i just described ¬_¬

[frosty berry]

the error is that it's spinning rust

[gentle moss]

close enough, head crash

:D

[frosty berry]

also, your hdd is a computer pretending to be a tape drive from the 80s

[gentle moss]

back in the day i had some naaaasty sounding hdd's

[rough sapphire]

What would 10base to 2 base conversion be used for

I actually know little to none on this topic lol

[gentle moss]

converting dec to bin

[rough sapphire]

meaning ?

[gentle moss]

decimal to binary

[rough sapphire]

ohh

[frosty berry]

the computer works with binary

so it's kind of useful to understand how to convert between that and what humans use, well, most of them anyway

[gentle moss]

there's 10 types of people in this world

those who understand binary

and those who don't

[undone berry]

And those who don't realise that is base 3

[rough sapphire]

I was just gonna ask

[gentle moss]

:D

[solid pollen]

Base.. 3?

[frosty berry]

sure, any (positive, natural) number can be used as a base to represent numbers.

[rough sapphire]

that's not all!

you can do Weird Shit too!

[gentle moss]

Base e

[frosty berry]

hm, i have a hard time imagining how you could have parts of a symbole

[gentle moss]

idk, maths people are weird as fuck. i'm sure they'd try.

[rough sapphire]

that's not how math works

math doesn't care about your puny imagination!

[frosty berry]

i know that

[rough sapphire]

trying to look for some of those weird things. one moment.

[frosty berry]

i mean, you can use base as simply a power base and manage the whole thing in the abstruct

[rough sapphire]

i remember the golden ratio being a weird system

[frosty berry]

but it won't allow you to represent the number in the base itself, you won't have the figures for it, as far as i can tell

[rough sapphire]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio_base

[gentle moss]

that's...

wow.

[rough sapphire]

they have funny properties like having multiple representations for same numbers

[gentle moss]

see, i told you maths people are weird

[rough sapphire]

this turns me on hmmmhmhm

[solid pollen]

I mean, base 3 is fine, but why would you use it though

[frosty berry]

oh i think we knew math people are weird, and yeah, i know they don't care if this doesn't fit any particular purpose, i'm probably a bit too practical to be a math person.

[gentle moss]

i like to know about the stuff but i don't want to learn it

[rough sapphire]

there's even a complex number basis

proposed by none other than mr. donald knuth

[undone berry]

I mean, base 3 is fine, but why would you use it though there are a few weird algorithms and tricks that only work in certain bases

[gentle moss]

tbh i quite like base 12

and i understand the movement to standardise it

but i'm not that passionate about it

[rough sapphire]

oh shoot is this against the rules

[gentle moss]

no

[rough sapphire]

but what if I get kicked again

or like muted

because it's inappropriate language or something

[gentle moss]

i mean, meme dumps are frowned upon but swearing isn't that bad

[rough sapphire]

i'm trying to learn to not meme my way into bans out of half of discord servers in the world

[undone berry]

Yeah. I'm the same with base 12. Obviously better than 10, but not worth the effort of switching

[rough sapphire]

hahaha

like, i usually get a stern warning of some kind from the mods within the first week or so

@undone berry where is your role ?

[gentle moss]

code jam is over

[solid pollen]

The jam has ended

Bisk lost it too

I did too, but you can’t really notice it

[rough sapphire]

I thought it was permanent

[gentle moss]

nooo

[solid pollen]

Yes

I mean, you haven't already spotted this message? :D

[rough sapphire]

not this one

[solid pollen]

There is also the add author:username

And something about the date I think

[gentle moss]

oh jesus fuck shit ass

when i cleaned up our ticket database i missed about 1000 tickets

so i was like "okay, i'll use the ticket delete tool they provide with the software. that'll work."

the ticket delete tool deleted all the fucking databases and all the backups

it deleted everything

:|

[autumn herald]

Wow arz you serious

[gentle moss]

yeah, i am fucking freaking out

good thing i made a backup and moved it off the machine at 9am today

i mean i wanted to remove 22k tickets in total

i didn't want to lose all our backups and our current tickets

jesus christ

[autumn herald]

Ah it didnt remove your back up of backup

Nice you're smart af

I'd be already fired if i were you

[gentle moss]

yeah, i was working on the database so i copied it the fuck everywhere

when the ticket database backs itself up it creates a backup/ folder in its root directory

but the ticket_delete.exe literally just deleted EVERYTHING in the root directory

holy shit i'm still having a heart attack

[jagged fog]

I registered for Amazon aws and now I'm waiting for the sms confirmation code but it's not coming

[gentle moss]

well everything's restored but how can a ticket_delete.exe which is supposed to remove stuff from a .db file end up destroying the entire install

i guess when it flashed up "FATAL ERROR" an instant before deleting everything it wasn't kidding

[autumn herald]

Rofl

Did your heart skipped a beat

I just imagine you with a brandy or smthg

[frosty berry]

picturing bisk with full white hair

[gentle moss]

i am still recovering

[solid pollen]

Well, ticket_delete.exe did what it was supposed to, delete tickets, including backups

[gentle moss]

it deleted the whole software

a little too efficient

[jagged fog]

oh God I had to talk to aws support on phone

[autumn herald]

To mark users as being removed from somthing at my job, my bosses 1sked them to have the status.TERMINATED

Every time i click them i imagine hiring a hitman

[frosty berry]

😆

[autumn herald]

They can see this btw

[gentle moss]

harrrsh

time to go home and deal with the aftermath tomorrow -.-

[autumn herald]

Be safe

[rough sapphire]

@gentle moss yo I got some OP code

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @rough sapphire until 2020-02-13 18:18 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: newlines rule: sent 132 newlines in 10s).

[rough sapphire]

ok

just wait

if i was mod i would have removed it

OMG i hate this newlines rule

yay

[plucky ridge]

!paste

[royal lake]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pydis.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[plucky ridge]

This is why we have the hastebin

[gentle moss]

132 lines is a lot of lines

[plucky ridge]

@rough sapphire It's not an unreasonable rule honestly. If you're on mobile, and you're chilling out having a conversation and then BAM

132 lines

[gentle moss]

i've seen some embeds which are like 32 lines and that blows an entire convo off the screen

[plucky ridge]

Yeah we try to pare them down as best we can but some of the embeds really need to have that much info

It's why we try to discourage too much tag or embed use

[gentle moss]

my heart attack is finally wearing off

[plucky ridge]

Like

Actual heart attack?

[gentle moss]

nah

i was trying to use a tool built into spiceworks to mass delete tickets older than 1 year because the search function was getting slow due to the size of the sqlite database

and upon launching ticket_delete.exe it just straight up deleted the entire root directory of spiceworks

all the backups in backups/

and the database

luckily i backed up the database at 9:30am to peruse it

[plucky ridge]

Did you tell it what you want?

What you really really want?

[gentle moss]

didn't get a chance

it just zigazig ahhh'd all the data

[plucky ridge]

🎶 If you wanna connect to mah servah, you gotta use this IP 🎶

[gentle moss]

🎵 handshakes last forever, connections never end 🎵

[rough sapphire]

🎼 Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me 🎼

[gentle moss]

no scott.

no.

[rough sapphire]

🎹 I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed 🎹

[plucky ridge]

I can't hear you guys through all this dead to me

[gentle moss]

it's been

[plucky ridge]

You're on the list now too

[rough sapphire]

one week since something something something?

[gentle moss]

yes

that's a good song though

[rough sapphire]

There's a better version you gotta hear, one sec

[gentle moss]

especially the lyric "i couldn't get into too much sailor moon because it's got the boom anime chick that makes me think the wrong thing"

[rough sapphire]

You guys really listen to some weird things.

[gentle moss]

uhhh... it's called being older than you

your music is weird by our standards

you freak

[rough sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D-WVlRohQk&t=13s

oldest band i heard is AC/DC or queen or beatles

[plucky ridge]

I cannot help it when I think you're funny when you're mad; trying hard not to smile though I feel bad. I'm the kind of guy who laughs at a funeral, can't understand what I meant well you soon will.

[gentle moss]

https://tenor.com/view/skinner-principal-simpsons-out-of-gif-16171814

i can't help if i wear my mind on my sleeve, i have a history of taking off my shirt.

[vestal briar]

"oldest band i heard is AC/DC or queen or beatles"

Do you know what classical music is?

[rough sapphire]

@gentle moss Whatcha think about that version

[gentle moss]

that's weird scott and i do not approve

[rough sapphire]

😦

[gentle moss]

it's too

[rough sapphire]

It's great

[gentle moss]

confusing

[rough sapphire]

nahhh @vestal briar

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-cloud-old-man-news-gif-14394596

[vestal briar]

ACDC are good

[rough sapphire]

@gentle moss "Too confusing"? It's Smooth Criminal instrumentals.

[vestal briar]

Just the vocals feel too high-pitched and fakey

[gentle moss]

yeah, with bare naked ladies on top

it's too confusing

[vestal briar]

It's like a very high pitched metal-like voice

[rough sapphire]

"Confusing"

You won't like this then lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAYV3d9fSW8

🎵 You move to your left 🎵
wonder if someone can complete this one

[vestal briar]

TAKE A BACK NOW YALL

2 HOPS THIS TIME

[gentle moss]

wow, that's also weird

it's like someone tried to mash up two things which definitely don't belong together

[rough sapphire]

Let me guess, you also don't like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GQQlehGxE ?

ok this one is gonna be surely completed
🎵 Tonight i am gonna have myself. a real good time 🎵

ONE MORE TIME

[gentle moss]

TO THE WINDOW TO THE WALL TILL THE SWEAT DRIP OF MY BALLS

is that it?

[rough sapphire]

where is "One more time" ?

Daft Punk

@gentle moss Yes/No on that one?

[vestal briar]

Most of ACDC are innuendos thinking about it

[gentle moss]

no, once again

[rough sapphire]

smh my head

[gentle moss]

they're pretty much mostly songs i like that have just been smashed into other songs i like

it's like a head on collision

[rough sapphire]

Something broke or your query returned nothing

What about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRdSoZO-5mM

ok

[gentle moss]

no. none of these.

[rough sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WAlkyxz2mU is a great one too

[gentle moss]

if they're all like this you can just assume my answer is no

[solid pollen]

Gotta hop channel

Guys, I'd like to create an archive of my whole C disk without two specific folders (those two are around 80% of my disk), any idea how I can do it?

[rough sapphire]

You say C disk, so I imagine this is Windows.

[solid pollen]

Yep

[rough sapphire]

Acronis was good when I had Windows as my main system

You should probably be able to do that

[solid pollen]

Last time I should use windows I hope

[rough sapphire]

Coming over to Linux?

[solid pollen]

Yep!

[rough sapphire]

What distro are you settling on?

[solid pollen]

I don't really want to use a backup software, I just want an archive of my disk in case I forgot to bring any file

Manjaro

[rough sapphire]

Oh, you can create an image of your disk then

Do you have enough space to backup everything?

[solid pollen]

On my D drive

[rough sapphire]

Sounds good. I'd use something like dd then

[solid pollen]

Those two folders are just games, can I just ignore them?

I could uninstall them and backup one by one I guess

[stark prawn]

You're not going with a dual boot to start?

[solid pollen]

Yes, but I want to take a fresh start for windows

I need to have a dual boot system, so I want to keep a fairly usable windows

[autumn herald]

I just have a backup of my Minecraft World

That's all

[plucky ridge]

I somehow just splashed my hair a little bit while drinking from my massive mug

I am confused

[gentle moss]

copy C:\ to a VHD

or boot on a linux USB stick and just do a block level copy

dd if=/dev/sda of=/somelocation.img

that type of thing

hmm... doing it without those two folders is a bit different though

if you want to archive it as an actual image it's a bit more complicated to exclude certain directories

maintaining a usable image file that can be pushed back to a partition and work as a valid install isn't quite just copying stuff

[solid pollen]

All games uninstalled, wasn't that hard actually

[gentle moss]

a dd copy btw will be the full size of the disk unless you do some magic

[stark prawn]

.img.xz

[solid pollen]

Ah yes but actually no

I want to highly compress it

I'll probably open it once a month

Not more

I like how press the "uninstall" button on unreal engine set the engine to the "installing" mode

[gentle moss]

get a clonezilla boot cd?

the compression cz is pretty good

[solid pollen]

But I don't want to boot it

[gentle moss]

but you're not going to be able to access it super easily

[plucky ridge]

Wow now that's a reference, brain. Mighty Mighty Boss Tones

[solid pollen]

I just want to browse the files

[gentle moss]

that's the impression that i get hemlock

[plucky ridge]

Yep

Exactly

Except it's the compression that I get

[gentle moss]

of the whole C drive?

hah

[solid pollen]

95Gb uncompressed, should be fine

Yes, all my junk is on another drive

[gentle moss]

why not just pin point the exact files you want to browse and zip them up?

o_O

[solid pollen]

I'm too afraid to forgot a file

[gentle moss]

they're most likely in the C:\user area

unless you're stashing porn in system32

[solid pollen]

C:\user is only 5Gb

[gentle moss]

sounds like you've been creating folders outside of user space

either that or your installed programs are massive

[solid pollen]

Yes, document, music and stuff are on anther drive

I have a fair amount of installed program

[gentle moss]

i mean Windows, if it's 10, is probably 30 - 40gb

on its own

[solid pollen]

I mean, photoshop 20Gb, allegorithmic suite 20Gb, Microsoft sdk (what is that thing) 30Gb

It goes up very quickly

[gentle moss]

photoshop is only like ~8gb max

not sure how backing up your software does you any favours?

[solid pollen]

Ah I forgot the rest of the suite

I have premier and dreamweaver

Yeah in that case it doesn't really matter

[gentle moss]

i mean if you've got the storage back everything up if you feel the need

but i'm pretty sure you're just going to have like 80gb of garbage at the end of it

and maybe 15gb of meaningful stuff

[solid pollen]

Probably..

[gentle moss]

you could use something like WinDirStat to audit your system?

[solid pollen]

I am looking at it right now

[gentle moss]

it'll show you what's using most of the file system in order

makes it easier to figure out maybe what you actually want to store

going through this whole process is why i never upgrade without buying a new HDD

just take the old one out and put a new one in

[solid pollen]

I actually only have 40Gb of programs

[gentle moss]

keep the backup forever

[solid pollen]

I have 4 drives

A 250 nvme with windows right now, I'll put Linux on it

A 1To HDD, I'll cut it in half for each OS, and put the backup on it

A 120Go SSD for all my dev stuff that I don't want to put on the HDD

[gentle moss]

i'd just create a clone image of the nvme on another drive that i can mount in future if i want to explore it

but i'm super lazy

[solid pollen]

And a 250Gb SSD for the new windows

Isn't creating a zip more lazy?

[plucky ridge]

super lazy
He has a cape, but he doesn't bother to put i ton

[gentle moss]

in fact when i upgrade to win 10 soon i'm literally just buying a 256gb SSD and taking my 64gb SSD out and putting it in a box

making a zip is messier and less lazy imo

i have a box of like ~12 old HDD's i don't use anymore

i just cloned the old data to new drives or installed a new OS on a new drive and left them there

[solid pollen]

Can you encrypt image too? I have one of the worst security ever on my old windows, and I want to burry that away

[gentle moss]

i think i have a win 98SE drive somewhere

clonezilla should let you encrypt an image, iirc

i'm pretty sure you could use a clonezilla boot CD and then clone the nvme to an image file and store it on one of your larger drives

you should then be able to mount it under linux

and as it's a full image if you ever wanted to restore it you could use clonezilla to do that

[solid pollen]

There is no windows clonezilla?

[gentle moss]

no. you can't run it while using the drives

hence, it's a boot cd

[solid pollen]

ah okay

I have a bootable usb stick running ubuntu

[gentle moss]

and you can only mount it in linux because i believe it stores stuff as an ext3/4 partition

[solid pollen]

Okay, I'll create an image tomorrow

[gentle moss]

read up on clonezilla, maybe it's a thing you want

but definitely read stuff and don't just take my word for it

this is your data, after all

:P

[solid pollen]

Yeah sure

[terse sluice]

this is what i was talking about bisk

[gentle moss]

oof, nasty

does turning it off and on remove it or dim it?

[summer vector]

whats going on there?

[gentle moss]

LCD ghosting, but it looks like burning

[summer vector]

oof

[terse sluice]

i just turned it on and it seems a little dimmer

i can't be 100% sure though

[gentle moss]

LCD's shouldn't perma burn so i dunno

either put a full white blank page on it or leave it off for ages?

:D

[frosty berry]

degauss!

[stark prawn]

Magnets

[terse sluice]

yes magnets will work perfectly

oh uh..

[frosty berry]

wikihow illustrations ❤️

[gentle moss]

rofl

[plucky ridge]

"Now jam it into your screen."

[gentle moss]

it looks like he's trying to download the internet

not sure the drill has enough capacity

[frosty berry]

if you can get one string of the web entangled in that…

[sand goblet]

Someone linked this on another server and I can't even https://twitter.com/G_IW/status/1227700420178567170

GarethIllmann-Walker (@G_IW)

This utter crap is being distributed through schools from the 'local authority' so presume @WalsallCouncil today. The level of disinformation is staggering. I'd be proud to find my kids learning to use any of these. Except Discord but that's nothing to do with hacking.

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[gentle moss]

ahhhh

feels like prevent strategy

fucking "wifi pineapple" though

lol

[sand goblet]

Whose crotch goblin has a WiFi pineapple

I don't even

[gentle moss]

a very smart crotch goblin has a wifi pineapple

and they should probably be allowed to continue by their parents

[sand goblet]

Well, knowing what it is, I'd want to limit where they use it

But yeah

[stark prawn]

What's a crotch goblin?

[gentle moss]

a child

[sand goblet]

Child

[stark prawn]

....

[gentle moss]

what?

[stark prawn]

Such a weird term.

[sand goblet]

You can thank my old sysadmin for that one

[gentle moss]

depends how much you like children i guess

[sand goblet]

He hates kids, haha

[gentle moss]

i've heard it before

[stark prawn]

I'd hate my kids too if they used kali.

[gentle moss]

hah

[sand goblet]

I wonder who thought it was a good idea to put this out

Ridiculous

[stark prawn]

I wonder who thought it was a good idea to use that for a public facing email adress.

[sand goblet]

Haha

Good point

[gentle moss]

it's obviously approved by the NCA

who are notorious shit goblins when it comes to this type of material

i mean they put out stuff lumping in green peace and extinction rebellion with nazi's

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stark prawn]

Those aren't nearly equally as bad :/

[gentle moss]

yeah, i know. installing kali is awful

[undone berry]

The entire UK system is willing to treat anyone and everyone as terrorists if it means they can get their fingers in more pies

[wheat lynx]

Wait, so I need to email them to say I use discord?

[sand goblet]

Haha

[gentle moss]

doooo iiiittt

[undone berry]

Honestly, emailing them for every 14yo who installs kali on a raspberry pi would be hilarious

[plucky ridge]

Probably need a dedicated button for it

[gentle moss]

oh man

you know spot by boston dynamics?

adam savage built a rickshaw and a harness for it

:D

[plucky ridge]

HA

That's amazing

Have they fixed the problem with it being loud as balls?

[gentle moss]

yes

there's a whole tested video about the fitting

[plucky ridge]

That's magical

[terse sluice]

adam savage has a great channel

[gentle moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyaocKS3sfg

23 minutes in for the big reveal if you're impatient

that's just fucking amazing

"i've just got a very expensive robot dog.... i wonder if i can make it drag me around."

i want one

@terse sluice do you watch the one day builds?

they're so good

[terse sluice]

i used to watch them all the time, but now i watch them every now and then. but yes they're great videos

[gentle moss]

lots of great maker info in them and just a pure treat to watch

[terse sluice]

it's honestly inspiring

yeah

[vestal briar]

Oh no out of tune cyber things

Whereas my top notch specialist team is making a drone with a pi zero cellotaped on with some hacked together code to break into networks automatically

[gentle moss]

my boss did that to play ingress

and in the land of the normal my gf just woke herself up with a fart

laughed at it

then went back to sleep

[vestal briar]

🤔

[gentle moss]

the love of my life :')

[rough sapphire]

🎵 Love of my life you have hurt me 🎵

[rough sapphire]

so there's something like valentine's day going on

that's probably something to be happy about that we have friends to remember or something

[manic patio]

If you are lonely on valentine's day go out. There are plenty of people who are as lonely.
If you are bold you can write on a board "will you be my valentine's date", go to a mall or something and I guarantee you someone will take you up on the offer.

[jagged fog]

meh

[gentle moss]

fckin windows server

a delicate little flower that needs to run in a specific paravirtualisation mode else it shits the bed

[tired osprey]

Bisk you signed up for it stop being a wean

[gentle moss]

i haven't actually. this is an unactivated iso

i'm testing something

:3

[tired osprey]

Awwww

[autumn herald]

i've seen this anime

[gusty oar]

is this anime 😄

[frosty berry]

he will live to avenge them

[gusty oar]

Batgerm

[autumn herald]

but first you have to watch the 200 episode when he doesn't remember his childhood

until the baddy say he left him alive just so he will rise to fight him

[vestal briar]

Chronavirus: the reckoning

(Yes, I know its not bacteria..)

[rough sapphire]

ahhh man this is 6th time i am seeing this meme
its all over reddit
dankmemes
memes
funny
reposts

[rough sapphire]

why cant i like this song ?
wtf youtube music

[vestal briar]

Oh no billie ellish is the new james bond theme

[gentle moss]

it's been 30 years since the pale blue dot image

and we're still blowing ourselves up

:')

[robust sierra]

heh

[bleak mirage]

oof

[sand goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNXp5pKvUzs

[gentle moss]

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/14/nuvia_apple_server/

tl;dr: apple is suing an ex-engineer who left to start a server chip company

he tried to push apple to make their own server chips but was routinely snubbed so left to go start his own company

now they're suing him over it.

[sand goblet]

Sounds like apple

[gentle moss]

I wonder when they'll finally bother making servers

Or at least providing options other than "cluster a bunch of Mac minis"

[sand goblet]

They won't make servers, it'll make them less money than selling tons of mac minis

man, TWRP are a great band

stands for TupperWare Remix Party

[gentle moss]

no ECC is a bit of a shitter though

[frosty berry]

hm, i was pretty sure apple did servers

uh, they just have like an add on to install on your regular osx for your regular mac?

i guess on a macpro would be the best fit, but indeed, not what i though.

[gentle moss]

they used to actually make server hardware

[frosty berry]

ah, pro is available on rack mount

[gentle moss]

as you say, the closest you can get is the pro

[frosty berry]

the specs are quite something

didn't see the price yet, i expect it to be awesome as well 😄

[gentle moss]

i didn't realise they were offering the pro in rackmount

there are some uhh... "problems" with the pro pricing

[frosty berry]

https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ need to scroll down quite a bit

[gentle moss]

they charge like 3x as much for the memory than it's worth

[frosty berry]

ah, i guess that's why they start that part with "forget everything you know about memory"

[gentle moss]

something like 64GB from Apple will set you back $1k

where as you can get the same specs from trusted manufacturers for about $300

[frosty berry]

not really surprised yeah, they are used to that nice premium, not going to let it go on high end hardware, forget the fact that the other ones are in a cutthroat market of small margins.

[gentle moss]

scamming consumers is one thing, but it's cheeky to do it to professional industries

mmmmm.

a rack mounted server with 2 sata ports

ahhh, main storage is done through a module

[vestal briar]

They'll be removing the sata ports and will just be having a single lightning port soon

[gentle moss]

that'd be a harder proposal to pull off i think

[vapid bluff]

how do you get power to a drive connected to that

[gentle moss]

probably the connector to the right

and a proprietary cable adapter

i mean at least they didn't reshape the damn SATA port so you needed a custom cable for that too

[vestal briar]

That looks like a apple-ized version of standard motherboard 4x2 one

Probably just randomized the pins and put a different connector hook on it

[gentle moss]

it's not a 4x2

as that'd be the 12v rail

also there are 10 pins ¬_¬

i believe sata power has all 3 rails into it?

[vestal briar]

Wow i'm blind

[gentle moss]

so perhaps that's uhh. 2 of each rail with grounds

[vestal briar]

I was thinking one of these

Seeing it's 10 though

[gentle moss]

i mean it's a little weird if it does provide sata power

since the sata spec is like 3xEach rail + matching grounds

hmm, no. only 6 grounds.

3, 5, 12, GND x 2 maybe

with some spares

phpmyadmin-fpm when :|

[modern island]

this channel name is well

gotta love them

[solid pollen]

Ah the 4x2 shit

I had to unplug my alimentation a couple of day ago because I had a 4x2 to plug >.>

[rough sapphire]

oof when was i when this happened

[solid pollen]

1st April 😄

[rough sapphire]

where*

[solid pollen]

?

Here

On this server

[oak tangle]

they meant "Where was I when this happened?"

[solid pollen]

Oh wow

Cooffffeeeee please

[rough sapphire]

5 months 14 days ago i joined

[solid pollen]

Well

Gonna re-install windows, cya guys

[rough sapphire]

how that happened like let .e guess tenderbot have that on season change

me*

ahhh man give my PC back

[solid pollen]

Oh f** you windows update, why are you updating, I'm gonna wipe you out in less than an hour

[rough sapphire]

just move to linux

[solid pollen]

People manually changed it I think

I am moving

[rough sapphire]

i use manjaro btw

[solid pollen]

Yay

I'll install it in like 10 minutes

[rough sapphire]

i think i will move to arch hehe

[solid pollen]

For now I'm just smashing my ESC key

Manjaro is technically arch

[rough sapphire]

but not arch

[solid pollen]

And I didn't smashed enough

Yeah

[rough sapphire]

smash that like ESC button

[solid pollen]

Arg, missed again

There like a 0.5 sec window

[rough sapphire]

ok boot menu i guess

[solid pollen]

Yes

[rough sapphire]

fast boot it is

[solid pollen]

Too fast boot it is

[rough sapphire]

that is a ootion actually

option*

[solid pollen]

Yeah, but I need to access the boot menu before changing it

[rough sapphire]

i would have resetted my BIOS

[solid pollen]

Oh c'mon, I pressed it like 10 times during the boot sequence

[rough sapphire]

pull out that cell from its mother

board

[solid pollen]

You know what I think I'm gonna unplug the hard drive

[rough sapphire]

ahh but then ypu can't do boot sequence

you*

[solid pollen]

Oh fuck my life it is DEL not ESC

[rough sapphire]

its F12 in here

[solid pollen]

You can, the bios is on the motherboard

[rough sapphire]

but there will no option to select the hdd from

ahh then you select your USB first

[solid pollen]

Yes

[gentle moss]

there's a boot menu inside the bios, there are also one time boot selection menus

[rough sapphire]

but then it directly boot from USB instead boot

[gentle moss]

also "Fast POST" is a thing

you can turn that off

[solid pollen]

I think I booted up my computer at least 10 times right ox

[rough sapphire]

fast boot

[gentle moss]

no, Fast POST

[rough sapphire]

fast BOOT

[solid pollen]

But I need to access the fucking boot menu

No, POST

[gentle moss]

yeah, POSt.

Power on Self Test

[solid pollen]

Power On Seft Test

[gentle moss]

Fast POST skips a bunch of checks

[rough sapphire]

there is a thing like that option

[gentle moss]

which means you hit the boot section faster

but it's really a fast POST

fast boot is an entirely different thing

[rough sapphire]

i never saw post
all i see is boot

[pine vector]

its too early to follow this conversation... 😪

[solid pollen]

It is 3PM here :D

[gentle moss]

kaffee time sumnler

[solid pollen]

Fast boot is the booting protocol

[gentle moss]

yerp

[rough sapphire]

should i increase it ?

its on 100 rn

and i am like ehhh

[solid pollen]

I just realised something, the boot sector is on the NVMe, it is a mess to unplug

[modern island]

more music!

[solid pollen]

I need to get a screwdriver and stuff

[modern island]

I have like uhm

[rough sapphire]

offline music*

[modern island]

2k songs ig

[gentle moss]

i think i have ~350gb of music

[modern island]

lmao

do you store them as WAVs

[gentle moss]

mp3

[modern island]

[rough sapphire]

i accidently turned smart download off
here goes my 100 songs

hahahah

[modern island]

and to how many do you actually listen?

[gentle moss]

depends what mood i'm in :D

it's all been listened to once at least

[modern island]

and so you want to say you have like

35k songs?

[gentle moss]

idk how many "songs" it is

a bunch of them are 1 hour EDM mixes

[modern island]

lmao

[gentle moss]

if that was 350gb of pop songs it'd be like 100k

[modern island]

haha

I frequently like

[sand goblet]

My music library has roughly 50 million songs in it

[modern island]

lmao how

you mean Apple Music or something lol

[sand goblet]

spotify

haha

[modern island]

Haha

I am like

open SoundCloud
search Monstercat
start playing
start coding

[solid pollen]

By default, a Windows 8/8.1 shutdown is not a real shutdown. Instead, it is hybrid shutdown where contents of memory are saved to disk. This allows for a faster startup. However, turning on the PC after a hybrid shutdown does not allow for pressing F1 or F12 during startup.
Whaaaat?

Does it also applies to Win10?

[gentle moss]

yes

it's actually a problem for us in terms of computer patching etc

or users experiencing shitty behaviour

[solid pollen]

That sucks

[modern island]

Those guys are watching us!

[gentle moss]

since they "shutdown" PC's and they're not off

[sand goblet]

that's fastboot, yeah

if you have UEFI, you can turn it off in the UEFI settings

most of the time anyway

if not, you have to do it from windows

[gentle moss]

you can also turn it off in Win10's settings

[solid pollen]

I like rebooted my computer 10 times without understanding why it wont let me enter the boot menu

[gentle moss]

rebooting is still rebooting

it's not the same hybrid

[solid pollen]

I pressed the power button because I'm lazy

[modern island]

Again, how much is Noita? no PC to look it up haha

[gentle moss]

yeah, that's not a reboot :P

[sand goblet]

hold shift when you click reboot at the login screen

[modern island]

I shutdown my PC with a hammer

🔨

[sand goblet]

€16.60

[solid pollen]

It is the choose boot option type of thing?

[sand goblet]

yes, then you go to advanced and there's usually an option to edit the UEFI settings

[solid pollen]

I don't really care, this install will be wiped in like 15 minutes

[modern island]

that game is like ₽ 1k I guess

[solid pollen]

I just want to access the fucking boot menu

[sand goblet]

what's a ₽

[solid pollen]

_What is this concurrency? _

[modern island]

rubles

slav russian currency

[sand goblet]

₽ 399,00

[solid pollen]

Victoryyyy!!! ✌️

[modern island]

hm? @sand goblet

why is it that low lmao

[sand goblet]

that's how much it costs on steam

because russia

[modern island]

hahaha

yeah our economy is both bad and fine

[sand goblet]

you have a much weaker currency

steam has currency regions for that reason

[solid pollen]

Ooow, I downloaded the home edition

I guess I could just change it later

The product key is the first step now haha

[modern island]

I mean it's good because prices are low

and it's terrible because we don't earn shit

[solid pollen]

Windows is asking for the product key, knowing that it doesn't have access to the internet >.>

Am I really paying for that shit?

:D

[gentle moss]

i'd hope you are

you wouldn't steal a windows

[solid pollen]

I have paid yeah

Probably not a very legal key, since I payed it 4€ and activated 4 computers with it, but I paid

[sand goblet]

I too am using a greymarket key

although mine wasn't that cheap

[gentle moss]

i got mine for free

\o/

yay for being a microsoft partner

[sand goblet]

I think mine was like $25

[undone berry]

I got it for 10eur

[gentle moss]

pro i assume?

[undone berry]

yeah

[sand goblet]

yup

mine was a home upgrade

no reinstall

[undone berry]

I don't even know what the difference is -some virtualisation thing right?

[sand goblet]

HyperV and group policy, mostly

[gentle moss]

mem / core count support

and yeah, general virtualisation features.

[undone berry]

All i know is that Docker Desktop won't work on Windows for me

[gentle moss]

not just hyperv

[sand goblet]

Docker works for me

[gentle moss]

speaking of core count

you hear the thing about Win10 Pro and AMD's threadripper?

[sand goblet]

more cores than windows can count?

[undone berry]

Tells me I need to enable a virtualisation setting in the BIOS, that setting isn't anywhere in the BIOS, and then it just works fine for me on Ubutntu; so I gave up trying to fix windows and just used Ubuntu

[gentle moss]

win 10 pro is supposed to support up to 128 threads

[sand goblet]

yeah, hyper-v requires cpu virtualisation features to be enabled

[gentle moss]

however when presented with threadrippers 128 threads it splits it into two thread pools of 64

basically handling it like two 64 thread CPUs

[frosty berry]

you can use win 10 for free by just never activating it, the things it disable after like a month of doing so are not important at all, that's nice-ish.

the amount of adware you have to cleanup after installation is the worst thing though. it's just full of "demo" apps.

and shitty games.

[gentle moss]

shortcuts to the stores

unpinning that stuff is a bitch

[sand goblet]

it takes like

two minutes

[frosty berry]

yeah, that's the worst two minutes, then you are good

[undone berry]

Trying to clear all the bloatware off a cheap laptop is insane. You have to get everything the manufacturer wants you to use off, all the ads the manufacturer put on there off, and then all the windows ads off

[sand goblet]

and then you never have to worry about it again

[gentle moss]

idk if you've seen the fresh install from a Dell workstation

[frosty berry]

there are powershell scripts to do it for you though

[gentle moss]

it's a bit more than 2 minutes

[sand goblet]

On a new machine - especially a laptop - the first thing I usually do is a clean reinstall

also I have a Dell XPS

[undone berry]

You don't always get a key with a laptop which makes reinstalling awkward

[modern island]

Ah btw

[gentle moss]

UEFI keys

[sand goblet]

yeah they're UEFI keys

[gentle moss]

i believe you can extract them

i haven't done it though

[modern island]

Opinions on a newest 13" Mac book pro for development?

[sand goblet]

you can, but it's annoying

[undone berry]

Dell XPS looks great

[frosty berry]

i think they are exposed in /sys on linux 😄

[gentle moss]

mac books are overpriced and should get in the bin

[modern island]

apart from the price?

[gentle moss]

the hardware is excellent and mac os sucks

[sand goblet]

the OS is nice enough

[gentle moss]

those are my opinions

¬_¬

[sand goblet]

it's a user-friendly BSD

[modern island]

I guess GPU is the only concern apart from price

[undone berry]

I used a brand new one last summer, it was pretty good

I liked it

[sand goblet]

it's the only user-friendly BSD

[modern island]

okay

haha

[undone berry]

didn't like that all the keyboard shortcuts were wonky compared to what I was used to

liked having a usable terminal

[sand goblet]

yes I don't like the like

[frosty berry]

pretty sure it's illegal for a bsd to be user friendly

[sand goblet]

command key

[modern island]

yeah terminal is god damn awesome

[sand goblet]

haha, tshirtman

[modern island]

lmao @frosty berry

[gentle moss]

i just looked in sys tshirt

you're right :D

[frosty berry]

🙂

[gentle moss]

macOS: BSD without the beard requirement

speaking of which

@tired osprey, how's the beard growing?

[tired osprey]

ehm

[modern island]

haha

[tired osprey]

my father is urging me to shave myself

but i refuse

[modern island]

hahaha

[gentle moss]

don't let him destroy your BSDreams

[tired osprey]

neva!

to be fair though my first three builds of obsd source code without modification paniced on boot

so its not been exactly going well

[gentle moss]

perhaps you can get a beard graft

get a bsd beard donor and glue it to your chin

[tired osprey]

or i just wait?

actually

there are like 8 or so BSD devs at my place

and only one of them has a beard and he shaved that oen!

[gentle moss]

smh

[tired osprey]

to be fair though eh does look hella weird without beard^^

[gentle moss]

that always happened when you de-beard

[modern island]

honestly what's going on here

[gentle moss]

beard talk.

have you never heard about BSD beards?

[modern island]

yes I haven’t

[pine vector]

is there a People of Walmart style site for the Beards of BSD?

[modern island]

The only joke I know about BSD is KDE2 one

[gentle moss]

there was for a while sommer

[pine vector]

amazing. truthy jokes are the best jokes.

[gentle moss]

there's a unix beards

http://www.usenix.org.uk/content/unix_beards.html

[tired osprey]

biiiiisk what ar eyou getting me into

[undone berry]

Brian Kernighan wins that one

[modern island]

lmao

[gentle moss]

mega beard

alan cox is what i see when i think BSD though

[modern island]

this beard is like

haha

[tired osprey]

im afraid i only have beardless images

[modern island]

I legit thought / meant current directory once

so I did rm on it

[stark prawn]

If you have no beard how do you hide in public?

[gentle moss]

when lemon wants to hide he just lifts his beard over his face

[stark prawn]

When lemon lifts his beard it reveals another beard

[modern island]

haha

[gentle moss]

:D

[modern island]

wait what

[gentle moss]

it's beards all the way down

[modern island]

plot twist

[tired osprey]

in other news here you can see a suckless.org conference

totally not a KKK event

[modern island]

kkk is not a best thing to talk about

[gentle moss]

that's literally what i thought when i glanced over

[tired osprey]

another image from da same conference whihc quote from the guy before "happens to be in a medieval castle"

[modern island]

dev conference

[gentle moss]

castles, torches, germans

hmmmm

is this some wolfenstein shit?

[modern island]

haha

[tired osprey]

no this is sucklesss^^

[pine vector]

that is part of one of my favorite management phrases i picked up: "You currently suck. Try to suck less."

[gentle moss]

nix, have you joined the occult?

[tired osprey]

weeeeeeeellll i have this guy at work who happens to be with suckless and told me

basically everything about them

and

[modern island]

[tired osprey]

i might or might not be using a little suckless software?

[gentle moss]

oh no

a software oath of fealty

[tired osprey]

lul

well atm its only dmenu and st as far as i am aware

[gentle moss]

oh god

fixing logwatch to display real dates

fuck perl

should've written this process down first time i did it :/

[modern island]

okay uhm

Just found this

[frosty berry]

dmenu is nice, i switchet to rofi though.

[modern island]

[frosty berry]

missing: PGP

[gentle moss]

oof, pgp

the most irritating answer to "email isn't secure"

[rough sapphire]

ok i thought it was png LOL

[modern island]

lol

php be like

hey wanna see how bad design of a lang can be?

[frosty berry]

missing: POP

starts to see a pattern

[summer vector]

@modern island I can relate lol

[modern island]

missing: /p[a-z]p/

[frosty berry]

PIP though

[modern island]

lol

[frosty berry]

and PEP

[summer vector]

oof

[rough sapphire]

!pep 8

[royal lake]

**PEP 8 - Style Guide for Python Code**

Link

Status

Active

Created

05-Jul-2001

Type

Process

[rough sapphire]

PFP

wait that's profile pic

or pay for pleasure

[summer vector]

Clion is such a powerfull Ide holy

[solid pollen]

Shrinking 0.5Tb is sloooowww

[summer vector]

oof

[jagged fog]

@pallid oriole don't want to spam help channel, but what are you doing? I don't understand the infinity thing, what are you bruteforcing?

[jagged fog]

I made the snippet for it and it's quite slow

-----------count  173000000
Current minimum  0.012999682920053601
Current triplet  (-94.7000000000003, -23.80000000000433, 95.1999999999889)

[bleak lintel]

@light coyote a warning is just a note that we warned you for behaviour in the server

[light coyote]

How many do I need before I am game ended?

[bleak lintel]

that's not how we do things, infractions are on a case by case basis

[light coyote]

?

What do you mean by that?

[bleak lintel]

we don't go 5 warns and you're out

it's just that whenever we next see unsatisfactory behaviour we look up all the violations a user has committed in prior and decide on a course of action

[light coyote]

Oh

So basically, don't change my name again?

[bleak lintel]

Your warning was not for the name.

It was for behaviour in the help channels

[light coyote]

Ohhhh

[bleak lintel]

As long as you don't engage in inflammatory behaviour which violates our rules you will be fine

[light coyote]

K dude