#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 348

undone berry Jan 17, 2020, 3:47 PM

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so this is a government backhander type deal

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giving the contract to your cousin type stuff

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I'm thinking it's more "lowest bidder"

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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iirc any info sec company who can prove their salt can give this accreditation

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or w/e

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and i'm not sure on the bar for proving salt

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I can ask him

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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"are system administrator accounts configured to lock out after a number of unsuccessful attempts"

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urrrrrr no.

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Wait really?

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:49 PM

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the question or my response?

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Response

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All of our accounts, user and admin, are set up like that

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:49 PM

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so if i got into your network and then hammered those accounts with bad logins

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i mean if i'm in your network you have bigger problems

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Sure

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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but how is locking the administrator account going to solve that shit?

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at best it's a bit of a mitigation

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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They stop being able to try, we call our IT contractors, reset the password, we're in

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You forget that most of our stuff is handled outside of us

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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yeah

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it's a bit annoying being the IT company

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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And this is why I'm glad I'm just the in house guy

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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if we locked out the administrator account we'd have to go downstairs into the server room and manually unlock the friggin thing

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Sure sure

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No I getcha now

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Just didn't think it through I guess

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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"are internet access logs retain for a period of at least 3 months?"

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yeah sure but we can't get at them because it's a datto managed device

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lol

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Why would you put all the logs on the datto device

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Okay that feels like an oversight

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:56 PM

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oh no, the datto device is the router

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they make routers

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I

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LEGIT

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Didn't know that

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:56 PM

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but you can't have access to verbose logs

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or the internals

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just a web panel of controls which is good enough for most stuff

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but not when you want to diagnose say, a broken ipsec tunnel

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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So they force you to go through their support?

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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yup

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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On one hand I get it

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On the other that feels shitty

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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a simple ipsec tunnel issue took like 3 weeks to fix

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because it had to be escalated repeatedly

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Haaaaaaate that

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:58 PM

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i just needed the logs to see what was going on, that's it right?

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i ask them for logs or access to logs via ssh

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"we can't do ssh but we'll get you the logs."

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"oh... we can't get in via ssh either, is your router behind a firewall?"

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cue a fucking shit load of back and forth about like 2 levels of network infrastructure being explained repeatedly

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Good god

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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i hate the datto networking equipment for that reason and that reason alone

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the web portal should give you access to as much as sshing into a decent router would

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📎 DJnII9FXcAAnOxd.png

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they look pretty cool and sing a song on bootup though

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so, ya know

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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It looks like that thing is about to karate chop you

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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:D

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:03 PM

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"YOU CANNOT SSH TO ME. HIIIIIIIYAAAAAA" -smack-

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:06 PM

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the hardware in them is excellent

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plus the fact it's got a built in 3g/4g modem for remote configuration is awesome

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we can just set it up on the website and ship them to the customer and tell them to plug iti n

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if the internet goes down it'll failover to the 4g too

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Oh that's pretty sick

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To any tower or does it have to fall on a specific carrier

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:16 PM

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any tower

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Damn

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That's incredible

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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how much MBps speed

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Probably depends on tower usage at that time and signal strength

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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whatever 4g gets

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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But 4G is no slouch

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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it's enough for a fail over

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and better than having to install a redundancy line

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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yeah that's good

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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You'd certainly not feel the speed difference nearly as much as 3G

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I have a prepaid plan in my cell

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Whatever gets the job done

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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what 3g and 4g have quite different speed

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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man, 3g fail over

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oooof

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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3g takes long time buffer youtube videos

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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we had a line go down for a customer and they were on 3g

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couldn't even browse the fucking web

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office of like 70 people

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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hhhahaha

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you're in office

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I'm too young then

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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we had to tell them to all get off the internet so the servers could still do their servery things

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so there's just one dude in a company of 70

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sat there doing his work

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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oh

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so now you've personal wifi

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great

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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we're a business to business IT contract, so we do the IT for companies who don't want their own IT team or w/e

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we literally couldn't operate on a 3g line due to remote desktopping etc

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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oh yeah I know you need 4g for remote desktopping

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I mean.

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If you're fine with a slideshow

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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tbh some 4g failover is better than other customer's full blown ADSL

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rural areas suck for internet lines sometimes

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they're like 4 miles from the DSLAM

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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sorry @solid pollen i had to go do something. it seems that pre commit isn't using my pipenv virtual environment

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Imagine having it failover to a satellite connection

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Or dial-up

warm sail Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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🤪

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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for satellite, the uplink is still dial-up, right?

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for internet

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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everything "dials"

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satellite is the only one that actually dials up

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¬_¬

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 4:58 PM

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haha, fair enough

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i meant landline, pre-adsl, dial-up

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 4:59 PM

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ok i need some help regarding SQL

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GOSH i hate sql

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+------------+-------------+------+-----+---------+-------+
| Field      | Type        | Null | Key | Default | Extra |
+------------+-------------+------+-----+---------+-------+
| Accno      | int(5)      | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
| Bname      | varchar(20) | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
| CName      | varchar(20) | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
| Lamount    | int(10)     | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
| Instalment | int(10)     | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
| IRate      | float(10,5) | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
| ISDate     | date        | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
+------------+-------------+------+-----+---------+-------+

INSERT INTO FINANCE VALUES(1,”SBI”,”Vikash Rai”, 750000, 152, 12.00, 2011-07-19 );

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What is wrong

undone berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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int(10) and 750000 don't seem to pair together to me

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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isn't that length ?

undone berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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but I haven't worked with sized ints, and can't remember if thats decimal or binary size

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if thats 10 bits long, then the 75 is too large

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no, its not binary size apparently

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so its not that

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'Rai”, 750000, 152, 12.00, 2011/07/19 )' at line 1

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@rough sapphire maybe quotes around the date

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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doesn't that make it VARCHAR ?

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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not necessarily

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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nope same error

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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which sql is that?

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oh you said that

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Server version: 5.7.28-0ubuntu0.18.04.4 (Ubuntu)

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:05 PM

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https://www.ntchosting.com/encyclopedia/databases/mysql/insert-date/#How_to_use_the_DATE_statement ugh

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seems it should work

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https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/date-and-time-literals.html

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:07 PM

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have you tried using decimal instead of float?

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ah, nvm

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that's not it, i got the two the wrong way around

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however

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:08 PM

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ok

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listen

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:08 PM

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what's with the (10,5)?

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why not just define it as 10

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:08 PM

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" are different

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listen

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:08 PM

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yes it should be ' not "

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in your string literals

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:09 PM

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ooooooh

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duuuh

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:09 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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also its not "

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its different

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its italic

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:09 PM

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oh right, that's the unicode one

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even worse

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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INSERT INTO FINANCE VALUES(1, 'SBI' , 'Vikash_Rai' , 750000, 152, 12.00, 2011/07/19 );
ERROR 1292 (22007): Incorrect date value: '15.120300751842105263' for column 'ISDate' at row 1
mysql>

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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eh

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weird

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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i think i will read

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:11 PM

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you should put the simple quotes around the date as well

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:12 PM

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damn it worked

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:13 PM

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what's with the float(10,5) out of curiousity

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:14 PM

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5 is the length after .

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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yeah just for an interest rate that's got some spec on it

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:D

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i would like an interest rate of 99999.99999

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yes plz

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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how do you measure how irate someone is anyways @rough sapphire

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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haha

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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IDK

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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jesus, imagine being 99999.99999 irate

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that's some true rage

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I assumed you were

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:16 PM

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i'm more like a 50000

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middlerate

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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That's fair

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Don't want to spend it all at once

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:19 PM

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awww man

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"Without supporting information in the customer comment section to justify all multiple choice answers we will ask for a lot more evidence when reviewing and scoring your SAQ."

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:19 PM

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i'm just a pyrate

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:19 PM

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looks like there is no particular section they want me to pad out

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they want me to pad all of it out

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"We usually expect to see a paragraph in answer to the questions"

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are you fucking shitting me

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"Do you have a firewall? Yes / No"

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"Yes, we have a firewall installed between the internet and our internal network to stop all the evil bad hackers getting in and pwning our stuff."

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where the fuck else are you putting a god damn fucking firewall.

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jesus christ that's made me angry

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i'm easily a 75000 now

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:22 PM

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well, firewall have rules, which can make them useful or not, so maybe they want more information about the kind of filtering you do

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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they expect a paragraph for ~70 questions.

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A PARAGRAPH

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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well, it might be a few days of works, i guess 🙂

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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fucking shitty fuck wank bastards

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i love the way they sent the email at 4:59 as well

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probably assuming that i finish at 5pm

frosty berry Jan 17, 2020, 5:24 PM

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maybe think of it as documentation, if someone had to answer all these questions without being able to ask you

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 5:24 PM

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and wont see it until monday

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the point is it's a two step process

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fill in form, they then come back to you for evidence

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so they're going to get the evidence anyway

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well, at least i know what i'm doing tomorrow

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 5:40 PM

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(H) Display the name of banks who finance various loans from the table FINANACE.

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what it means

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📎 unknown.png

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 5:57 PM

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@terse sluice you need to use a pipenv command for it to work, like for example pipenv run lint and define lint in the [scripts] section of your Pipfile

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 6:40 PM

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flash off

📎 IMG_20200117_203455.jpg

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flash on

📎 IMG_20200117_203518.jpg

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side profile

📎 IMG_20200117_203537.jpg

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Pretty

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 6:42 PM

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it turned out heavier than I expected

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still good tho

plucky ridge Jan 17, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Wait, did you make that?

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 6:45 PM

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wow

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pretty

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got a thicc booty too

sand goblet Jan 17, 2020, 6:46 PM

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wax on, wax off

gentle moss Jan 17, 2020, 6:46 PM

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:D

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nice job xx

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is that a line 6 back there?

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i see the cube, those are nifty

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Ooo, fancy stuff

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:27 PM

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@solid pollen i do have that but it doesn’t work

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it’s not using the pipenv virtual env

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.pre-commit-config.yaml

repos:
-   repo: local
    hooks:
    -   id: flake8
        name: Flake8
        entry: pipenv run flake8
        language: system
        types: [python]
```and part of my pipfile

[scripts]
flake8 = "python -m flake8"
precommit = "pre-commit install"

golden walrus Jan 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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are you using the proper virtual enviroment? I had an issue once because I had some Pipfile in a parent directory by mistake

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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oh

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i just found a pip file at the root of the code jam repo

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lemme try again

golden walrus Jan 17, 2020, 7:38 PM

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you should have one, just not multiple ones in a tree

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I had one literally in ~/

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which is wrong (I dunno how it got there)

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I got one too haha

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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yeah same

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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You should try to name it something else than flake8

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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oh alright i'll call it lint or something then

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fvngeiaslkd it keeps creating a pipfile in the root of the repo and not using the one in my team folder

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Just move it to your team folder

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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hm i get this when i run pre-commit run

Flake8...................................................................Failed
- hook id: flake8
- exit code: 1

'lint' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

sand goblet Jan 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I think you're meant to use pipenv run lint

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And pipenv precommmit to install

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That way, it SHOULD use the pipenv environment

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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It isn't for a pydis project g :D

sand goblet Jan 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Oh right

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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code jam 😃

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trying to set up pre commit hooks

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not working well

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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But you should try pipenv run lint anyway

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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that works fine

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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And what is your precommit config?

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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repos:
-   repo: local
    hooks:
    -   id: flake8
        name: Flake8
        entry: pipenv run lint
        language: system
        types: [python]

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:55 PM

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On PyDis projects we have language: python and require_serial: true maybe you can try with those

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:56 PM

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ok gimme a sec

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Flake8...................................................................Failed
- hook id: flake8
- exit code: 1

Courtesy Notice: Pipenv found itself running within a virtual environment, so it will automatically use that environment, instead of creating its own for any project. You can set PIPENV_IGNORE_VIRTUALENVS=1 to force pipenv to ignore that environment and create its own instead. You can set PIPENV_VERBOSITY=-1 to suppress this warning.

'lint' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
```i get this now

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this is weird

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 7:58 PM

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And what is your script config in your Pipfile?

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 7:59 PM

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[scripts]
lint = "python -m flake8"
precommit = "pre-commit install"

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Pretty weird indeed

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I guess you could try to nuke the venv and the lock file, and regenerate both

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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i'll give it a try

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Haha the channel name is perfectly suited for this conversation

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 8:08 PM

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oh yeah lol

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no luck; i get the same error as before

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i'll try again in WSL

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 8:38 PM

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nope not working there either

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same error

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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i give up on the hooks lmao

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spent too much time for this already

golden walrus Jan 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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create a new directory like 5 levels deep and start everything from scratch there (?)

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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ok let me make sure i'm correct here, the pipfiles and precommit config go in your team folder right?

solid pollen Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yep

terse sluice Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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yeah i started from scratch and followed all your guys' advice

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no luck

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oh my

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finally

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i've been going at this for like more than 2 hours

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i had to shove the pipfiles and precommit config into the root dir

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2020, 11:39 PM

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good background music to work to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ95DvShk0s

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rustic arrow Jan 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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guys how do people make their profile pic like a gif

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on discord

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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You need a nitro subscription for that

rustic arrow Jan 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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oh

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do people actually pay for that tho

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I heard its like 20$ a month

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so 20$ a month just for that ?

tribal sorrel Jan 18, 2020, 8:25 PM

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you can use amazing emotes from servers you frequent on other servers you frequent

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 8:25 PM

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No no

rustic arrow Jan 18, 2020, 8:26 PM

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oh

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 8:26 PM

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10$/month

rustic arrow Jan 18, 2020, 8:27 PM

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is Nitro the one that gives you that HyperSquad Bravery logo thingy

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 8:59 PM

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no

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Hypersquad is free

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I have Brilliance

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 9:04 PM

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2020/01/18/us-government-confirms-critical-zero-day-security-warning-for-windows-users/ the fix hasn't been released yet??

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wheat lynx Jan 18, 2020, 9:07 PM

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It says that users are being urged to update but there is no fix. Seems a bit contradictory

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I thought the update was a fix?

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yeah

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I remember people saying they was a fix

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 9:08 PM

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for?

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Shiny color btw

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The curveball breach type of thing

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In a windows DLL

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 9:09 PM

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this is talking about the IE vuln (presumably), not cryptoapi

wheat lynx Jan 18, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Are they related?

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 9:09 PM

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no

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Oh, there is two breaches?

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Haha

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I love windows >.>

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 9:10 PM

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they just happened to be disclosed around the same time

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 9:10 PM

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And my computer is running right now and I have no way to turn it off for a least 3 days

tired osprey Jan 18, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Im still wondering why the NSA even publicised the attack on ECC

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Why they wouldn't?

tired osprey Jan 18, 2020, 9:11 PM

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like, keep eternal blue secret but make an ECC attack public?

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 9:11 PM

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they saw use by a non-state actor, was more beneficial to no longer sit on it and get it patched

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probably

tired osprey Jan 18, 2020, 9:11 PM

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yeah

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i mean...if we're lucky the NSA has backdoored the ECC curves standartized by NIST anyways so they can afford making an ECC vuln public

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 9:12 PM

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you and I have very different definitions for "lucky" :)

tired osprey Jan 18, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Nah Im just saying it in a sarcastic way^^

solid pollen Jan 18, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Backdoored it? To do what? (sorry it is all very new to me, and I'm way too curious)

tired osprey Jan 18, 2020, 9:14 PM

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you can mathematically show that it is possible to create ECC curves that can are attackable if you know a certain number, however you cannot easily show which number it is / if there is one -> we know the NSA could backdoor the curve but we cant prove they did or did not

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backdooring in this context meaning

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tell the NIST to create a curve which such a vulnerability and make it a standard without an explanation for why the parameters of the curve are like they are

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(and guess what NIST did)

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so eh....NIST curves == suspicious

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2020, 9:19 PM

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i tend to use curve 25519 for most of my crypto dealings

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seems pretty legit

hollow leaf Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I wish ed448 or something was more supported

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 2:50 AM

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@tired osprey The NSA moved away from ECC 4.5 years ago, though - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/10/why_is_the_nsa_.html

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 4:10 AM

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@gentle moss I was lucky enough to see them live once, theyre awesome

gentle moss Jan 19, 2020, 9:14 AM

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nice!

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one of my favourite trance acts

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Who?

wheat lynx Jan 19, 2020, 9:22 AM

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The NSA obviously

gentle moss Jan 19, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Above and Beyond

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Ah, gotcha

vestal briar Jan 19, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Oh no http://chng.it/QnzmxgbcGH

Change.org

Sign the Petition

Rename the newest planet "TOI 1338 b" to Tatooine.

sand goblet Jan 19, 2020, 9:58 AM

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I guess some people really like tattoos

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 10:42 AM

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@sand goblet can you explain to me how I got to keep my #5555 discriminator after cancelling nitro

sand goblet Jan 19, 2020, 10:42 AM

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you can't, you'll revert to your normal one

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 10:43 AM

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it's been 3 weeks now

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how long does it take to revert

sand goblet Jan 19, 2020, 10:43 AM

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well, I don't know

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I've never cancelled my nitro

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 10:43 AM

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weird flex but ok

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gentle moss Jan 19, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Y

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ups, wrong screen

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AND YES I DO CAPITALISE MY Y CONFIRMATIONS GOT A PROBLEM?!

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 10:45 AM

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N

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y

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@gentle moss .casefold() is better than .upper(), git gud

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@rough sapphire casefold is bad for security

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@rough sapphire How so?

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sec

tired osprey Jan 19, 2020, 10:50 AM

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@rough sapphire that the NSA moves away from ECC themselves does not at all mean they're not having the NIST curves, which government policy conform companies gotta use backdoored?

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 10:50 AM

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I don't even wanna know story behind it

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@tired osprey I have no idea what you're trying to say after that comma

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I don't think this uses casefold, but the core vulnerability stays the same (as casefold transforms some letters) https://0xsha.io/posts/the-fall-of-mighty-django-exploiting-unicode-case-transformations

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I mean, I wasn't approaching it in regards to security. It was just a friendly jab at bisk

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https://eng.getwisdom.io/hacking-github-with-unicode-dotless-i/ Specifically comes to mind in regards to this

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that's an example of that vuln, yeah

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uses the same character in the poc, even

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(if I'm remembering the GH article correctly)

gentle moss Jan 19, 2020, 10:57 AM

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to code jam stream or not

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that is the question

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also, huh. i thought 18.04 shifted python to ver 3

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 10:58 AM

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nop

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slated for 20.04 iirc

gentle moss Jan 19, 2020, 10:58 AM

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weird

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on my work VM i had problems with older gimp because after the upgrade python seemed mapped to 3

rough sapphire Jan 19, 2020, 10:59 AM

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really?

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that's odd

gentle moss Jan 19, 2020, 10:59 AM

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yeah, my thoughts exactly

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well huh

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my pip are broken too

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this am not good

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my work and home VM started out as the same base

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and somehow over time they've diverged

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amazing.

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however the fact .local/bin isn't absolute in both and is relative from root is telling

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🙄

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i should rebuild my VM's

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oooooooooooh bacon

vestal briar Jan 19, 2020, 3:19 PM

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NSA asks the NSA to put backdoors in their backdoors

summer knot Jan 19, 2020, 6:07 PM

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xzibit.jpg

fervent dock Jan 19, 2020, 9:51 PM

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anyone else very excited about the 070 shake record?

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spent a long time waiting for it and so far ive been really enjoying it

frosty berry Jan 19, 2020, 10:22 PM

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first time i hear about her, putting on spotify to see if i like it

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ok, well, not a big fan of autotune thing, but that's not too bad in that regard, just not my really in my musical interests it seems

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so, nonplussed, sorry 😛

fervent dock Jan 19, 2020, 10:28 PM

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no worries, its great that you gave it a try

frosty berry Jan 19, 2020, 10:31 PM

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i try to "get" recent rap/trap, and i kind of fail, most things are miss rather than hit for me, even when not horrible.

fervent dock Jan 19, 2020, 10:37 PM

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thats understandable, shake is definitely not an easy artist to get coming from different genres

sand goblet Jan 20, 2020, 11:07 AM

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psst, @rough sapphire

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https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/19/opera-predatory-loans/

Android Police

Opera reportedly has multiple predatory loan apps in the Play Stor...

It's no secret that Opera isn't doing so well in the era of Chrome dominance. According to a report published by Hindenburg Research, the company's losses

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That's an incredible read, holy shit

sand goblet Jan 20, 2020, 11:48 AM

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https://youtu.be/3zXzjXr3aGg

YouTube

caleberiel

Predatory Loans Jingles from Bidiots (Jackbox Party Pack 2)

Some Predatory Loans jingles. Wanted em compiled... couldn't find em... so i decided to compile some myself.

▶ Play video

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lol, this comment sums it up nicely

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gentle moss Jan 20, 2020, 11:59 AM

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hah

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Faust.

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:D

solid pollen Jan 20, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Do you think that’s good enough for a first artstation post?

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gentle moss Jan 20, 2020, 1:52 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/thats-no-moon-starwars-gif-10170550

Tenor

solid pollen Jan 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Should I take that as a yes or a no :D?

gentle moss Jan 20, 2020, 2:03 PM

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looks pretty cool, yeah

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i dunno what artstation is, but that's a pretty good planet you did

solid pollen Jan 20, 2020, 2:09 PM

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It is the github of computer graphics

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Thanks!

solid pollen Jan 20, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Okay, there we go, first artstation upload! https://www.artstation.com/artwork/8lYowm

ArtStation

Somewhere in space, Matteo Bertucci

summer knot Jan 21, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Somewhere in space
this could all be happening right now...

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(nice picture!)

safe lagoon Jan 21, 2020, 3:06 AM

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hi

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I heard exam results from a friend and thought something was off about the exam
I did some digging... the JEE is a dysfunctional exam. (JEE is the Joint Engineering Entrance for a lot of engineering colleges in India)

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frosty berry Jan 21, 2020, 3:11 AM

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looks like a very selective test

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virtually nobody gets over 50%, but some still manage to get >90%, these ones must be quite good

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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not really no

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each state in india has it's own engineering university systems.. the national one is the JEE which is accepted by a certain number of institutions.. The exam itself is based on the 11th and 12th grade syllabus of a certain national school board that a fraction of the country opt into, it varies depending on the state.

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The students who want to get into the best institutions through JEE commit to studying for it as early as 6th grade, memorizing things they don't understand.

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They get into additional classes run by institutes, much like hagwon in korea, but worse because these sometimes have their own entrance tests

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it's dysfunctional and useless

frosty berry Jan 21, 2020, 3:41 AM

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ugh

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put like this indeed that sounds really bad

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 3:46 AM

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it gets worse:p

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the scores are used for admission.. the requirement is lower for people who've been oppressed over centuries because of the caste system.. thereby affording them the access to higher education

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but people belonging to the castes who engaged in oppression often demand that this be repealed.. because they think it's "unfair" to them

frosty berry Jan 21, 2020, 3:50 AM

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yeah, i did read about that

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there is no perfect solution, but i think the current system has merit, although it does mean that some smart and educated people will not have a place and people with a worse education will have one, it's needed to balance things again, if you don't do that, the people at the top will just keep their economical and cultural advantage forever

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It was a significant chunk in the book by Piketty that i read this year, capital and ideology, big book, but quite interesting.

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it does speak about a lot of oppression and inequality systems in recent history, from the middle age in europe to the present, and does speak about a few non-european examples, and india is an important one.

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there is much to learn about what not to do, but also how to start fixing things, because significant efforts have been made.

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 4:54 AM

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It's already true.. I've seen some people who went to the top schools do so solely because of the education they could afford to ace these entrance exams.. these were religious extremists and nationalists.. The oppressed are really at a disadvantage and very few make it through the struggles. The system needs fixing but it's not that country's focus at all

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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i tried taking some coaching class to prepare for JEE . soon i found that it was hurting my school grades only so left it

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well technically your school grades don't matter unless they're a criteria for admission to university

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in my experience in APAC.. it's really important to be associated with brand names.. schools, companies, etc.. they factor in big for promotions, networks, pay and pivotting..

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yeah but we have to take 12th exam and jee nearly at same time

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especially in tech where there's an age based discrimination.. you gotta pivot quick

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if i fail in 12th its game over. doesn't matter how much i get in JEE

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so you need to take a gap year?

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of course.. lol

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yeah you can

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take a gap year

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but you are more respected in community when you don't

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community aint gonna pay your bills or take exams for you

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 6:40 AM

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man these coaching classes are so clever they make you dream BIG, that you are gonna do it do it ,
In reality it is hard

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it's relative

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when you land your first job you'll think back to this time in your life.. and guess what you'll be thinking

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 7:33 AM

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What would be the most efficient way of serving another website using nginx? While I'm building my website, I'm a bit tired of nginx default page so I'd like to display my artstation website in the meantime

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 7:35 AM

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What do you mean? Like, Flask or something?

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 7:39 AM

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I own this domain https://mbertucci.me, it is linked to my rpi which run nginx, and I'd like to serve this page https://akarys.artstation.com/ in the meantime, but I cannot use a CNAME record because I have some things hosted my rpi too

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Ah. I wouldn't host anything on a residential connection.

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Yeah, me too haha

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But that’s my dev server, and I don’t want to spend 10€/month for just a dev server

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And I use it to learn nginx, certbot and all that kind of things

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:24 AM

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Certbot's pretty easy in that regard, https://certbot.eff.org/

Certbot

Automatically enable HTTPS on your website with EFF's Certbot, deploying Let's Encrypt certificates.

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Yeah, I know, I host some services for my personal use

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But I never used it before

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:28 AM

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It auto-updates certificates for you if you follow the how-tos on the site. Pretty ezpz

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Yep, it is pretty coolish

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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how do you handle the annoyance of having too many tabs open

tame terrace Jan 21, 2020, 8:37 AM

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close all the tabs

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:37 AM

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yeah.. that's what i'm doing now.. during which time I'm always wondering how there got to be so many

tame terrace Jan 21, 2020, 8:38 AM

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some people just keep them open forever

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and they're like defensive about them

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I've never understood that. I consider tabs highly disposable

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:39 AM

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I've seen thousands opened on someone's computer

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lol.. I had a coworker who had like 30 tabs open.. was like bro.. you only have two monitors

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I can honestly say I was disgusted, which is a weird thing to say, but it was just.. How they did things. No bookmarks/favorites. Was setup in a way that they would all be remembered upon shutdown of the browser

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 8:39 AM

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I have around 500 tabs opened on my phone ^^

tame terrace Jan 21, 2020, 8:40 AM

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I think the best step you can take towards good tab hygiene is to not let your browser remember tabs between sessions. if it's important you'll find it again.

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if it's very important, bookmark it.

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:40 AM

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Nice timing on that @tame terrace

tame terrace Jan 21, 2020, 8:40 AM

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..?

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:40 AM

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The "It's best to not let your browser remember tabs between sessions"

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This was quite some time ago, though. 2006-ish?

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So there wasn't any of the Firefox Sync stuff. I'm not even sure if remembering tabs was a thing back then. No clue how they did it.

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 8:46 AM

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So nobody about the nginx stuff? >.>

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:53 AM

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didn't even know they had sessions back in '06

solid pollen Jan 21, 2020, 8:57 AM

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I prefer to remember opened tabs, since I reboot my computer way too many times, and I’m too lazy to research for the docs each time

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 8:57 AM

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@rough sapphire I'm not sure if they did, honestly

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Was probably a hack job

gentle moss Jan 21, 2020, 11:09 AM

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this amuses me

rough sapphire Jan 21, 2020, 11:09 AM

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heh

frosty berry Jan 21, 2020, 12:39 PM

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@rough sapphire it's a me! No bookmarks, either its opened to read some day, or i know i can type the right words to get to it

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shocking, i know

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I don't even shutdows the computer if i can avoid it, suspend/hibernate is life

vestal briar Jan 21, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I usually have ~4 tabs open

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If i'm furiously researching something it will be 20

vapid bluff Jan 21, 2020, 7:40 PM

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@rough sapphire check out sessionbuddy if on chrome

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speaking of which...

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😬

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odd thorn Jan 21, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Huh. Only have 85 tabs open atm.

sand goblet Jan 21, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I'm a weirdo that closes tabs when I'm done

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Usually don't have more than 100 open

frosty berry Jan 21, 2020, 7:57 PM

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oh i also close them when i'm done with them

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but sometime it takes months

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the simplest way top arrive at that result for me is to have an interesting twitter timeline, you open it, catch up with the day, opening each interesting link in a new tab, when you caught up the day, you have easily 30 new tabs open, and the day is pretty much done, so you can only read a few of them, decide a few others aren't worth reading actually, and others should be read but certainly another day.

odd thorn Jan 21, 2020, 9:07 PM

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It's cause I use tree tabs. Hides most of them at any given time, and helps with jumping between topics.

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 3:59 AM

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frosty berry Jan 22, 2020, 4:01 AM

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https://store.steampowered.com/news/57848

News - Play Now For Free - Half-Life Series

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i guess i'll finally play episode two

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 4:16 AM

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wow

frosty berry Jan 22, 2020, 4:20 AM

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RIP

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golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 4:22 AM

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huh

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I have 52 GB free, and I think that's little

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[manuel@6500 ~]$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
dev             3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /dev
run             3.9G  1.1M  3.9G   1% /run
/dev/sda7       184G   75G  101G  43% /
tmpfs           3.9G  409M  3.5G  11% /dev/shm
tmpfs           3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs           3.9G  120K  3.9G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda6       288G  222G   52G  82% /home
/dev/sda2        95M   84M   12M  89% /boot
tmpfs           793M   24K  793M   1% /run/user/1000```btw I never got the memo of why these multiples `tmpfs` are created

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Arch didn't use to do that...

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 4:26 AM

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tmp = temp ? maybe

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 4:26 AM

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yes, I guessed that

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but not why there are 4* of them

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and what they're used for

frosty berry Jan 22, 2020, 4:27 AM

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i foolishly took the 250G option when buying this laptop, then i decided to keep the windows in dual boot, so each system got half, and also, i sync my email locally, so that's some 15GB less, and i have multiple projects around with a python-for-android distribution in them, which tend to take 1.2G each plus a couple docker containers around and a copy of the work db…

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and 16GB swapfile, to hibernate

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 4:28 AM

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oh I see

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my swap is

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4.7GB?

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NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda      8:0    0 931.5G  0 disk 
├─sda1   8:1    0   450M  0 part 
├─sda2   8:2    0    99M  0 part /boot
├─sda3   8:3    0    16M  0 part 
├─sda4   8:4    0 446.8G  0 part 
├─sda5   8:5    0   466M  0 part 
├─sda6   8:6    0   293G  0 part /home
├─sda7   8:7    0 186.1G  0 part /
└─sda8   8:8    0   4.7G  0 part [SWAP]```these are weird numbers but I picked them myself so OK

frosty berry Jan 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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-rw------- 1 root root 409M sept. 14 2017 core
hm

vapid bluff Jan 22, 2020, 5:25 AM

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/dev/shm is used for facilitating device-wide shared memory
/sys/fs/cgroup is for facilitating control groups
/tmp is used for quickly storing/accessing small, temporary files with short lifetime

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dunno bout the fourth one

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probably something to do with process-specific storage

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Meanwhile, I have 750GB+ free 👀

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But then again, I don't game.

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:34 AM

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I could have that with some changes

frosty berry Jan 22, 2020, 5:36 AM

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i don't really game either

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:38 AM

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@vapid bluff what I don't know is why tmpfs are used now, they weren't before

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I read a bit about it and it's like RAM disk, so

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it's also a bit annoying to have them listed

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 11:18 AM

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@golden walrus

arch didn't use to do that

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mine does

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more specifically systemd

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 2:54 PM

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I need help

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Since we aren't in your brain, it is pretty hard to help you right now

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Sorry

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i need to make it so you jave to read the rules in the disocrd server and find a code typeit in chat andthen you can start trxting people but i forgot what bot did that

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@solid pollen

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I don't know sorry

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 2:59 PM

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K

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Tbh, it shouldn't be very hard to build it yourself, if you are motivated

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I don’t really know python i am trying to learn but the program that i was learning on now i need to pay to learn

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:01 PM

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There is a lot of free resources available

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:01 PM

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And my mom don’t have the money

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:01 PM

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!resources my personal advice would be Automate the boring stuff with python

royal lakeBOT Jan 22, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:03 PM

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How did u do that

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The text Automate the boring stuff with python

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:08 PM

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`Automate the boring stuff with python `

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Ya make it darker

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Someone told and then i started to het mixed up with html and javascriped

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hi

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Ca n you teach me how to make the text red

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Inside discord?

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Don't think you can

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I seen somebody do it how can i learn more

sand goblet Jan 22, 2020, 3:12 PM

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- It's the diff syntax highlighter
+ It's not "coloured text", it's a programming tool

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:12 PM

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K thanks

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-is

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-this is a test-

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Hmm

sand goblet Jan 22, 2020, 3:13 PM

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solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:13 PM

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There is support for git diff?

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:15 PM

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K

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- am i doing good
+ I feel like i am going bad

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 3:17 PM

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@solid pollen diff is much, much, much older than git

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:17 PM

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_One day, the mobile client will be able to display colors _

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Kool

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Well

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 3:17 PM

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diff was first released in 1974

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git was first released in 2005

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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+ test this it so fun

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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please use #bot-commands for testing stuff like this, thanks

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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K

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📎 B016DFCF-C41E-4F57-946C-F8581EC0499F.png

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Got dose not work

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:19 PM

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2005? Wow

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 3:19 PM

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it's not git

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it's diff

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Ohh

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k

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How do i learn more of this

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Of what?

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Nev

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Who wants to play code combat woth me

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!records

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!resources

royal lakeBOT Jan 22, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 3:39 PM

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next time use #bot-commands

spice pelican Jan 22, 2020, 4:48 PM

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this is a really good channel name lol

wheat lynx Jan 22, 2020, 4:48 PM

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They change every day

spice pelican Jan 22, 2020, 4:49 PM

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yeah, they're always fun to read 🤣

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 4:51 PM

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You can even suggest one, of you feel really inspired :D

spice pelican Jan 22, 2020, 4:52 PM

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o:

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I feel extremely inspired by
"ok-zoomer".
kidding, kidding.

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I'm going to have to remember that we have this channel name when I think that an idea might be "too long for a channel name"

sand goblet Jan 22, 2020, 5:31 PM

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haha, yeah

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fal-de-ral-de-ral-do

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ugh, we should totally have a feature that allows for name groups

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ot0-all-the-ducks-are-swimming-in-the-water
ot1-fal-de-ral-de-ral-do
ot2-fal-de-ral-de-ral-do

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:39 PM

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"One of these channels tells only truths, the other only lies"

sand goblet Jan 22, 2020, 5:40 PM

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haha

autumn herald Jan 22, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Are special characters allowed in channel names

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:42 PM

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"One of these channels tells only truths, the other only lies"
a cool idea for the grouped OT channel names

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:43 PM

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@autumn herald yep

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There is an issue opened for linked otnames, I may have a solution for this, but I have too much thing to rn

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I'm already working on something that should be quite good

autumn herald Jan 22, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Czn we have you-forgot-a-"

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 5:47 PM

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+ Hi people
- how was your day so far

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:47 PM

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hello diff

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:48 PM

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~~How are you diff?~~

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I am installing Kotlin Language Server

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Server?

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:49 PM

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yes

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kinda like Jedi? for Python

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Ah, like PyCharm's built in code checker

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Python jedi ? roothink

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Aah

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:49 PM

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https://pypi.org/project/jedi/

PyPI

jedi

An autocompletion tool for Python that can be used for text editors.

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Except in much greater detail

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:50 PM

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basically backends for whatever thing you need in a language

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because I use Emacs and I refuse to use anything else because I'm lazy

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Just say'in, could be nice to have a !pypi command

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:50 PM

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@solid pollen You suggest it, you write it

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Haha

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:51 PM

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so in these editors you need to install your own auto-completion (or any other tool you want)

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:51 PM

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And/or put in an issue on the repo

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:51 PM

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but they don't do anything by themselves, so you need backends

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Hey, I need to do the eval re-eval thing first

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But there is the jam for now

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So your laziness made you install more thing than you'd need to? :P

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:52 PM

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yea

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it actually takes less time overall

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I'm just too lazy to start using a different editor and figure everything

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I end up doing everything in Emacs

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the most stupid thing was working with eclim and being forced to keep Eclipse running

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Eclipse is weird, I agree

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But PyCharm is pretty easy to use

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And have a lot of built in features

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Eclipse was the first IDE I ever used

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I mean, I didn't use Eclipse

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:55 PM

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So I guess I'm just used to its quirks

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I just kept it open so Emacs could autocomplete

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don't judge me

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:56 PM

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roothink

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Whatever works for you, no judgement here

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 5:56 PM

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No judgment, there is just more efficient methods :D

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:56 PM

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The only time I judge editor/IDE choices is when someone is using IDLE or when someone is hating on another editor/IDE

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 5:56 PM

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notepad++ 4 lyfe

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Still better than IDLE

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It seriously needs some TLC

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 5:57 PM

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or to be binned

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I suppose IDLE could be replaced

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isn't the L for Learning?

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there are things like Thonny for example

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 6:05 PM

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@solid pollen how to i put a line thoughr the text

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Honestly, what more do you want from IDLE?

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Its pretty solid for use in schools and things

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 6:06 PM

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?

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I'm not replying to you

umbral lantern Jan 22, 2020, 6:06 PM

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oh k

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 6:08 PM

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no its not @undone berry

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:08 PM

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then answer my question

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what more do you want

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you can type code and press f5

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 6:09 PM

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our school replaced it with spyder

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:09 PM

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ok

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what more do you want from IDLE?

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as something that comes with Python

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 6:09 PM

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not at least raise false syntax error ?

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:09 PM

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what do you mean?

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 6:09 PM

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recognize f string properly ?

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suggest auto complete more reliably

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Honestly, what more do you want from IDLE?
I never used it actually

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:10 PM

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print(f"{h}, {w}")```

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works fine

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I know it runs Python and that's it, and I guess that's good enough

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I think it does exactly what it should

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 6:11 PM

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it sometime works sometimes doesn't

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its weird

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:11 PM

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[manuel@v330 ~]$ idle
** IDLE can't import Tkinter.
Your Python may not be configured for Tk. **```seems it doesn't work on my notebook

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I mean

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that sounds to me

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like it just always works

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I just need to install tk I suppose

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yeah, now it's running

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:14 PM

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IDLE is rubbish for writing code in, but I think its fine for what it is

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 6:14 PM

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not for learning

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:14 PM

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it looks like Microsoft Notepad on steroids, but reaching the end of its life

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like an ex-body builder in his 80s

rough sapphire Jan 22, 2020, 6:15 PM

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notepad++

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Why. What is wrong with it? What more do you want added?

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notepad++ requires you to install plugins or use the terminal

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neither of which a complete beginner wants to do

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:15 PM

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it looks simple enough for people to not be scared

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which is good

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oohh

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it was made by Guido himself

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:39 PM

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@undone berry What I want from IDLE is line numbers, better error and traceback display and better stability. Off and on there will be times when code will work fine outside of IDLE but will fail inside of it

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I don't think the first two wants are too terribly extreme, either

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Line numbers I agree with, that caused issues when I was first learning

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 6:40 PM

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i want an editor that makes you work

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no line numbers, not even in errors

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:40 PM

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and I didn't know about the stability issues

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 6:40 PM

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in fact, every exception should just go:

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

golden walrus Jan 22, 2020, 6:41 PM

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no line numbers, not even in errors
ed is the standard text editor

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I think IDLE could do with a bit of TLC. But I don't think it needs to be chucked in the bin, and I don't think it needs to be brought up to the standards of VSC or Notepad++

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:42 PM

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They're sporadic, it's hard to know what will cause the random issues with IDLE. And not to say that PyCharm and others also don't encounter this, but when you add it to the list of irritants that IDLE has, it doesn't help

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Certainly, it's salvageable

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But when there are things that are essentially IDLE but good (i.e. Thonny), I don't see why they'd want to put in the extra time for it

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:45 PM

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I can't speak for Thonny. My closest experience is Spyder or Notepadd++, neither of which I think is suitable

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:45 PM

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No, they're not

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https://thonny.org/

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But hell, just look at the screenshots

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That's literally made to be a nice, lightweight, easily approachable editor

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Fantastic for learning

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:47 PM

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It is more lightweight, but I still feel like theres slightly more going on than there needs to be

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Such as

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:48 PM

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The variables thing, and the fact theres two toolbars

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possibly also having the shell and editor on screen at once

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:48 PM

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You have to toggle most of that on

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:49 PM

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oh

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thats fine then

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:49 PM

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It's worth playing around with it for a little bit

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I'll check it out. If its good, then I can easily point people to this if they want to learn

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Yep yep

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Partly why I can suggest things like Thonny and Mu

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:50 PM

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but yeah, I don't see why they couldn't just replace IDLE with it or similar, yeah

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Used them for a little while to know if they're worth using

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I can think of one big reason: when something gets added to the standard lib, it takes a mountain to get updates out for it

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Can't be updated like any external packages on its own schedule, has to play by the current Python version's update schedule

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Assuming it gets the go ahead to be worth the update from the PSF

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Also means there can't be any large feature updates to it

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Not without it being a 3.X update

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Is that really a major issue though? I assume a version of Thonny frozen in time would be better than IDLE

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assuming they added support for new language features

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Sure, but that also means no hot fixes for it, no new features that could potentially help newbies

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There are pros and cons to both sides

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I can see that there are. But I think I've shifted away from "IDLE is fine" to "Ditch IDLE, replace it with an existing better solution"

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Sure sure. It's just a matter of, is it worth taking a living, breathing, growing library and freezing it in place in the standard lib

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Could you not just fork it, rename it, and then both can exist in harmony?

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I don't know who this you is - but someone

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Sure you could, but then you have something part of the core library lagging behind

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And considering you can install it and get it up and running with a simple pip install thonny, the benefit just isn't there

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Easier to keep the status quo

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Sucks yes, but just how it is

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:57 PM

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pip install thonny is quite a big step. Kinda precludes it being used in schools with rubbish IT, or from some 12 year old who just wants to learn to write super basic code - not learn how to use a terminal

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Does it? It's no more complex than asking the user to type in python in the command console

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:58 PM

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which is already too complex I think

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Either way, they'd have to know how to get to said console.

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Seriously

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How is that complex

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:58 PM

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compared to pressing run in a GUI

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its mile out of some people's comfort zone

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Yes

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That's usually what happens when you're learning

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If you learned purely within your comfort zone you wouldn't grow

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Maybe, but I don't think it needs to happen. I think having to go to the terminal first thing puts a lot of people off

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who shouldn't necessarily have been put off

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Well there's also a standard installer

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But then they'd have to know how to use a web browser and type in the website

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Which if typing python in the cmd prompt is too hard, god knows how difficult THAT'D be

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I just think theres a big advantage to only having to install one thing and run one thing as the only steps for hello world

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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If you get the installer, you only have to install Thonny

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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especially compared to java where you have to download intellij, make a project, and install Java

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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It comes bundled with its own Python

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Oh, does it?

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Yep

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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thats actually pretty great

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Mu does as well

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 7:00 PM

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It would be cool if the PSF pointed people towards that then

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or could be

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I can understand reasons for not doing it

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I think it might... once sec

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https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors

undone berry Jan 22, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I'll still check out Mu and Thonny. Its not like my opinion on this matters at all

plucky ridge Jan 22, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Yeah it's listed in there

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Mu is not, though

oak tangle Jan 22, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Oh, I love this OT name

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 7:22 PM

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i remember there was a flash animation for it ages ago

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just another memory lost to the ether

oak tangle Jan 22, 2020, 7:33 PM

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There's an old Dutch children's song that got covered in English once, somewhere in the 50s I believe.

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More recently, that English cover has been sampled and used in some remixes and a few memes that died before they were really born

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 7:35 PM

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it's fun to see what gets sampled

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 7:36 PM

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New profile picture ves?

oak tangle Jan 22, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Yeah, a tribute to Alan Turing, although I should probably change it to Terry Jones for the occasion

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Aah it is Turing

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 7:38 PM

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ahhh

#

RIP the Nude Organist

solid pollen Jan 22, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Don't even want to know why

oak tangle Jan 22, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Terry Jones was one of the members of Monty Python (you know, the British comedy group that provided the name for, well, Python) and he died today (or, at least, it was announced today)

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He had a nice hairy naked role in Monty Python's Life of Brian

gentle moss Jan 22, 2020, 7:43 PM

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he was so very often naked

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i do so wish skyrim had better horse mechanics. red dead has spoiled me.

tired osprey Jan 22, 2020, 9:41 PM

#

https://youtu.be/BKorP55Aqvg

YouTube

Lauris Beinerts

The Expert (Short Comedy Sketch)

Subscribe for more short comedy sketches & films: http://bit.ly/laurisb Funny business meeting illustrating how hard it is for an engineer to fit into the corporate world! Watch the next episodes: http://bit.ly/SquareProjectEp1, http://bit.ly/SquareProjectEp2 & http://bit.ly/...

▶ Play video

autumn herald Jan 22, 2020, 10:34 PM

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me in a meeting except they don't ask question they just state stuff

vestal briar Jan 22, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Damn, RIP

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 10:56 AM

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i'm going to some free conference next week (FOSDEM, just attending), it will be my first "big" event, do people have tips on how to maximize time/organise themselves?

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 10:57 AM

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backpack for all the freebies

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unless it's not that type of conference

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 10:57 AM

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did someone say free

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 10:57 AM

#

one time i got a lightsabre

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 10:57 AM

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can I has some free stuff please

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what did you do with the lightsabre

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 10:58 AM

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had lightsabre fights in the office until we broke all 6 we took

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 10:58 AM

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_My first question would be why, but okay _

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 10:58 AM

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fuck knows, can't even remember the company anymore.

#

so it was a poor marketing strategy

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 10:59 AM

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aww

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 10:59 AM

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ah yes i need to find all the stickers right

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 11:01 AM

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:D

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Fosdem program is big if you go for the talks, better spend some time on the program and pick your selection in advance, with fallbacks if rooms are full

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Also the place is big, good to study the plan, as some talks will make you walk a bit

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Yeah i went to their agenda

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There is probably 10+ simultaneous talk

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 11:10 AM

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If you come for the people, there are always a lot of them near the main conf rooms, a bit too much to talk even, as people need to move, better go a bit further or be next to booth of your interests

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There is usually a beer event (or more…) on the saturday night, good stuff to meet people and talk too

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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I'll probably go out with my partner's company buddies, they go out every year i believe and party quite hard 😅

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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don't forget to play spot the unix beard

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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There are usually food trucks near the event, but they are overflown, so either have some other option, or allocate 30mn more than you'd think necessary to grab food

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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I live there so i can prepare food :D

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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Oh, you'll be with veterans, i guess you'll do fine then :)

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Good plan :)

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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I don't really know how to select talks though

#

So i'll probably go by best/title interest

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Fixing the Kubernetes clusterfuck
Understanding security from the kernel up

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

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I think they all (or most) end up on youtube anyway, so don't sweat it if you miss one, especially if it's in the main tracks, the smaller ones/workshop could be less crowded and just as interesting (and less likely to be recorded)

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

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there are a lot of interest security talks :o

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https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/security_secure_logging_with_syslog_ng/

FOSDEM 2020 - Secure logging with syslog-ng

#

man, i'd go to that one

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Why this one specifically

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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because i'm soon to rebuild our logging system

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:3

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big variety of talks there :o

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 11:47 AM

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yeah, hence why me not knowing what to prioritise ahah

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i'm still noob imo, so i should focus on stuff where i would be able to understand the words

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 12:07 PM

#

our company gives trainings, one of them is "logsec" where we basically handle log security

#

we have a couple of fun demo attacks

#

one of them, for example, uses log injection to send some magic values to putty to get it to resize and move windows in such a manner that it looks like the game "snake" on your screen

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 12:09 PM

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wah that's cool

#

today i have to perform some weird SQL query on a weird excel supposed to represent polish notation of some logic

#

why this happens to me

umbral lantern Jan 23, 2020, 1:00 PM

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+ hi people
- how did you sleep

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 1:02 PM

#

I think you posted the same message yesterday

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 1:23 PM

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@autumn herald confs often have a lightning talks track these days, i'm sure fosdem has one, this are cool to see a variety of subject in a short time

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:24 PM

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they have

#

@solid pollen maybe he's some kind of spooky arg thing

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 1:25 PM

#

The scary diff?

#

Spooky scary diffs

#

Anyway, MySQL backend and Exel frontend is the best stack ever

viral parrot Jan 23, 2020, 1:26 PM

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mysql as a office backend..

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how?

#

with odbc?

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:27 PM

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mySQL backend

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ahah

#

i wish my friend

#

i have to do SQL in SAS on some weird excel thing

viral parrot Jan 23, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I wonder if @solid pollen is pulling my leg now..

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:27 PM

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and then automatate it with dos scripts

#

please i need a new job i can't even anymore

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 1:28 PM

#

Haha

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:28 PM

#

[long rant about how some people are highly trained at taking the worst decisions possible]

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 1:28 PM

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DOS scripts.. I'm so sorry for you

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:29 PM

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or whatever you call them

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 1:29 PM

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batch

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:29 PM

#

yes this

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i think

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 1:29 PM

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i'm sorry for you

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:29 PM

#

i'm sorry for me

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 1:30 PM

#

So.. You have a combo Windows / weird SQL / Excel / Batch script

#

I mean, run away haha

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:30 PM

#

not the worst process i've seen so far in the company

#

i think the worst was

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excel sheet -> macro -> C# internal tool upload it to OracleDB via Toad -> download them (???) -> use SAS macros -> launch bash scripts

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and this my friends,

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to compare 2 files

#

of course, each steps have a high % chance to fail, so when cumulated, it almost always fail

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Hahahaha

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But why you haven't ran away yet?

frosty berry Jan 23, 2020, 1:33 PM

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some things are unsalvagable

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 1:33 PM

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and most people here have Master and PhD

#

love Pharma

#

i'm in the process Akarys, was waiting for my partner to find a job in NL so we can move together

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Well, good luck ^^

#

Which one is correct, resources_loader or resource_loader?

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 2:57 PM

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resource loader

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as it loads the resources

#

"have you seen our resource loader? it loads resources."

#

"have you seen our resources loader? it loads resources."

#

hmm... i guess it depends what the resources are

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 2:58 PM

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"HAVE YOU SEEN OUR RESOURCE LOUDER!?!"

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 2:58 PM

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:D

#

WE CALL IT KAREN

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 2:58 PM

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😄.

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Thanks!

#

📎 8FEF99B8-9DFA-4AC8-B773-193C607C90CC.jpeg

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Only if it's yelled

autumn herald Jan 23, 2020, 3:09 PM

#

this Karen?

📎 latest.png

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:09 PM

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And asks to see your resource manager

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 3:10 PM

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then the resource manager, a human, is also karen

#

it's karens all the way down

undone berry Jan 23, 2020, 3:10 PM

#

karencursion?

#

karecursion?

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:10 PM

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My god

#

It's full of Karens

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 3:11 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/sunglasses-gif-5853358

Tenor

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:11 PM

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2001: A Karen Odyssey

oak tangle Jan 23, 2020, 3:12 PM

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HAL: I'm sorry, Karen, I'm afraid I can't do that
Karen: I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER!

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 3:12 PM

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haha

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:13 PM

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That's amazing

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 3:13 PM

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HAL: I can't do that Karen.
Karen: I'M GOING TO GO ON TRIP ADVISOR AND WRITE A NEGATIVE STORY IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR MANAGER!
HAL: I uhh... I-I-I... Kernel panic.

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:13 PM

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HAL: Yeeeaaahhhhh fuck this, I'm venting the atmosphere

obtuse rose Jan 23, 2020, 3:27 PM

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disappointed that https://status.python.org/ says nothing about Jones 😐

Python Infrastructure Status

Welcome to Python Infrastructure's home for real-time and historical data on system performance.

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Jones?

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Terry Jones died

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the python

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Oh right right

oak tangle Jan 23, 2020, 3:44 PM

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PyPI Errors
46,807,933 Errors

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Seems to have gotten increasingly worse since Jan 16th

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But seems to have consistent peaks and valleys otherwise

oak tangle Jan 23, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Was that when the broken pip 20.0 update came out?

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I'm suspecting so

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 3:45 PM

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for a brief second my brain went "is 46,807,933 a package manager?"

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:46 PM

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In one month it's been over a billion errors

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One month

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 3:49 PM

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why my composer is stuck ;-;

📎 unknown.png

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just worked

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stuck again

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worked

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stucked

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worked

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stucked

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Stuck or just taking a while to download?

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 3:49 PM

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worked

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it take too much time to start

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stuck

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worked

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stuck on connecting

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Enough with the repeating the same things over and over

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We get the point

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 3:50 PM

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what was the lib that probide colors in console ?

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provide*

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 3:51 PM

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There's a handful. colorama and crayons are the two I can remember off the top of my head

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 3:56 PM

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.bm 669932238774992897 bring colors to console/terminal

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Guy that made crayon : Hmm I need a name for me library... What about just using a random french word, everyone love french

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.>

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 3:59 PM

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dude

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📎 01crayon1_xp-articleLarge.png

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crayons.

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 4:02 PM

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@solid pollen don't say you don't know crayons ?

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:02 PM

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well in french it's just "pencil"

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 4:03 PM

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we call it wax color mostly

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Oh, crayon is also an english word?

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:05 PM

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yes, for those colourful little bastards

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Woops

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:05 PM

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which explains why a terminal colour lib is called crayon

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:D

solid pollen Jan 23, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Okay, fair enough, my bad

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Wax pencils

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Typically for children

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:10 PM

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when you eat them you poop a rainbow

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Well yes

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HA, I just looked at Ken's GitHub blurb

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rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@rough sapphire we call them wax crayons

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or, well

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wax chalk

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wax and fat are the same word, so basically fat chalk

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sign language is a universal language right

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no

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dude it can't be changed

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it differs regionally

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really ?

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:19 PM

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There's American Sign Language

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 4:20 PM

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that's why ASL and BSL are different things

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:20 PM

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^

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 4:20 PM

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we had one chance to make something universal and we f it up like everything else

undone berry Jan 23, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Apparently theres enough overlap between the two that you can still communicate

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Sure

rough sapphire Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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there's tonnes of them

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https://k-international.com/blog/different-types-of-sign-language-around-the-world/

K International

Richard Brooks

A Guide to the Different Types of Sign Language Around the World

One of the most common misconceptions about sign language is that it's the same wherever you go. That's simply not the case. With that in mind, let's take a look at 9 examples of sign languages from around the world.

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I would imagine that "hungry" would be fairly similar in most

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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there's even another one

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Rubbing the tummy

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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like uhh

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what's it called

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makaton or something?

plucky ridge Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Baseball hand signals?

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Oh right

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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my gf is learning that

undone berry Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I wonder if its true that you can still roughly communicate with someone using FSL if you're using BSL

gentle moss Jan 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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i've been learning it along with her