i have a bash program running in a shell so if i close the window will program also stops ?
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
terse sluice
i think you can launch in detached mode, but i don't remember how
solid pollen
ctrl+c doesn't stops it
It move it to the background
And then you can type fg to bring it back to the foreground
rough sapphire
or i can just start program with nohup
solid pollen
You can
solid pollen
But depending on the program, making a service in a service manager might be a better choice
gentle moss
that's still per session
sand goblet
Closing a window/session will send a SIGHUP to the process, causing it to exit unless it has specific handling for that signal
This is what you want
sand goblet
If you want something to continue running when you close the window, then you have a few options
You use screen if you're working on something manually and want to come back to it later
If you're running a daemon (for example a server) then you probably want to use a systemd unit
solid pollen
Creating a unit isn’t that hard :D
sand goblet
If you just want to drop back to the terminal, then you can use CTRL+D - and use fg to get back to your app
Never use nohup if you can avoid it
It makes for extremely messy process management
solid pollen
CTRL+D? Isn’t it C? I have my anwser
sand goblet
Also, CTRL+C will send SIGINT (a keyboard interrupt) to the program, usually that's a closing operation but some apps don't use it for that
Most text editors will ignore it because a lot of people try to use it to copy text accidentally
But basically everything else will try to stop what it's doing and close
So there you go, @rough sapphire
Job control in a nutshell
Unlike what bisk will tell you, screen is NOT the lazy option
solid pollen
_Or you can open another SSH connection if you do use SSH, and leave it running in the background 😄 _
sand goblet
A systemd unit is by far the easiest and laziest way to get a server running
rough sapphire
_Or you can open another SSH connection if you do use SSH, and leave it running in the background 😄 _
@solid pollen
that really annoys me
sand goblet
There are also apps like tmux (and its better cousin, wemux) that can multiplex one terminal
So you can split it into panes and run more than one thing
Tilix is a GUI app that does the same thing
plucky ridge
Lame
gentle moss
[15:07] gdude: Unlike what bisk will tell you, screen is NOT the lazy option
that depends entirely what you use it for
ooohhh, you were shitting on systemd
that's fine
solid pollen
But he did say systemd is easy to use
solid pollen
It is really that easy?
A shame that you need a CTRL key
(yes I sometime don’t have a ctrl key)
gentle moss
weird thing to not have
plucky ridge
Well I mean he leases it out part time
solid pollen
No CTRL key 😦
solid pollen
Hehe
sand goblet
@gentle moss screen is easy until you have more than one of them
I don't even install screen on my boxes anymore, it's so useless
plucky ridge
named screens
This one's Terry, this one's Steven, this one's Bernard...
sand goblet
And you just remember all the names?
Perhaps you'd remember the name of your unit instead
gentle moss
screen --list
just sensibly name shit, duh
when i started working here everything was named super fucking dumb
servers like vulkan, starbug, starbuck(always confused with starbug), citadel, mars, blah, blah
worst
narrow elm
is anyone here proficient with java?
terse sluice
plucky ridge
Students
terse sluice
yikes
plucky ridge
He licks for eternity
narrow elm
@plucky ridge well like im new to java so its nothing extreme. I use netbeans however if that effecsts anything
plucky ridge
Shouldn't, Java code written in one editor is as good as written in any other
golden walrus
tag your #body horror
vestal briar
Seen worse
Yesterday I watched an hour of people getting stabbed to teach us not to stab or something
Thank you school
gentle moss
it goes in so smoooooooth
vestal briar
Uhh
vestal briar
I saw someone with their hand cut off hanging from a thread and someone ripped apart from infection after stabbing themselves?
plucky ridge
Woah wait why is this being discussed?
gentle moss
school work
plucky ridge
Uh... huh
vestal briar
If someone is a type of person to be going around stabbing it's not going to stop them
gentle moss
it might even make them want to stab people more
:OOOO
it's like when they used to show us videos in year 6 of kids climbing pylons
or going into substations
and shit like that
except stabbing
vestal briar
Most are just in a gang rather than murderers though
Oh yeah
We had that one
I think I saw the aftermath of a bus accident
undone berry
I'm pretty sure those kinds of awareness videos have either 0 or negative effect, and always have. But schools continue to run them to make it feel like they're doing something goos good
vestal briar
And I have seen 2 hours worth of people being either struck by lightning (to teach us something?) and the other hour was about the 3rd rail
Yeah
vestal briar
Noted, thanks for the tip :)
undone berry
The only one of those I remember is a speedaware course with quite possibly the most poorly acted tragedy
vestal briar
It was a bit excessive to show 11-12 year olds
gentle moss
oh that accident where the girl gets smashed up
vestal briar
Actually no, 10-11
gentle moss
and rebuilds herself
sand goblet
If you like those sorts of videos..
undone berry
and I have no idea why they did a speed awareness course with 16 yos
sand goblet
gentle moss
i mean it goes in reverse
sand goblet
These are a bit more fun
gentle moss
to stop you speeding when you get your license at 17
vestal briar
I mean at least it builds up gore tolerances?
gentle moss
DUH
vestal briar
That's the only good impact it could possibly have
gentle moss
tbh steak and cheese dot com did that for me ages before school even touched on it
rofl
undone berry
The only thing that will stop some people speeding is a lamp post
gentle moss
they wont actually stop you
vestal briar
Or a brick thrown from a bridge
undone berry
and showing a video you just meme on isn't even gonna discourage you
gentle moss
because they're designed to collapse now
vestal briar
As we where taught in a quite grusome manner
I think I have seen some marginally worse things than what school has shown on my time on the internet
11foot8 is great
Every time they put up another flashing sign but yet there are still crashes :)
undone berry
The bridge has gone now
quasi estuary
so if you were a city planner, how would you solve the 11foot8 problem. people will still hit it despite huge flashing signs
undone berry
do what they did and raise the bridge?
gentle moss
^
gentle moss
it's 8 inches higher than it was
quasi estuary
costly solution
undone berry
which might not be much, but its still not near as iconic
gentle moss
the other option is to put in an height detection system that issues fines
people hate fines
so along with a fucked up truck
you get a $10k fine
quasi estuary
bridge has 3 paths to it, but most trucks come from the road straight-on. so 300ft before the bridge have a camera detect the height of a vehicle and have a rubber damper drop down overhead to 'bump' their truck @ 11ft 8" to catch their attention. non damaging.
gentle moss
hah
quasi estuary
just a tap, with a big sign that says "this rubber damper is 11 foot 8 off the ground, you will hit the bridge ahjead"
cheap + easy solution
gentle moss
HGV drivers should know the height of their vehicle
undone berry
Thats not gonna fix the problem
gentle moss
if you started fining companies and revoking licenses
quasi estuary
why piers
undone berry
thats very ignorable
gentle moss
you'd probably see a change
quasi estuary
the rubber damper hitting your truck??
you couldnt NOT notice it
a distinct "thump"
undone berry
yeah
gentle moss
noticing doesn't matter
undone berry
then you wouldn't give a fuck about it
gentle moss
if they don't know the height of their truck
undone berry
and you'd drive into a bridge
quasi estuary
hmmm
quasi estuary
well how else could you alert the drivers with big trucks heading toward the bridge, BEFORE they hit it???
gentle moss
signs
undone berry
First solution to a problem should be remove the problem, second solution should be remove the people
so yeah, fining them is fine
massive fines
sand goblet
I wonder if many people got fired for hitting it
gentle moss
i don't drive through a give way junction because i "didn't see a sign"
quasi estuary
fines wont work. people still speed
undone berry
people don't speed around cameras
gentle moss
very different
quasi estuary
if you'll ignore signs, you'll ignore fines
gentle moss
hahaha
undone berry
no you won't
I can' see why you think people would listen to a bump, but not a 50k$ fine
quasi estuary
fines are cumbersome because you'll have trucks coming in from hundreds of miles away. how will you make the drivers aware of the new laws?
undone berry
with a fucking sign
quasi estuary
nobody will pay a 50k fine, the insurance will
gentle moss
my solution:
- large fines for vehicles which hit the bridge. you need to recover costs of damages and scare the companies.
- revoke the licenses of the drivers
that's not
how
quasi estuary
they already dont read signs
undone berry
if I get a speeding ticket
undone berry
I don't ring up the insurance company
quasi estuary
hmmm
gentle moss
you revoke licenses and fine companies who hired them
or, generally, owner of the truck
quasi estuary
so a sign before the bridge that says if you hit this, 50k fine + license suspended for X days
gentle moss
you don't even need to put the fine
if people can't read basic road signs
they shouldn't be on the fucking road
undone berry
My guess is for such a non standard fine, you'd need to warn people about it
vestal briar
gentle moss
well then, don't treat it as a fine
vestal briar
How much money must these bridges have costed in damage
gentle moss
make it a civil damages case
how are they going to argue "he didn't know how big his truck was"
or "he didn't see the sign"
when both should be things a responsible driver should know
quasi estuary
@vestal briar only repainting and inspection costs I imagine
gentle moss
make it civil damages and you can recoup your lawyer costs from them as well
gentle moss
you shouldn't make exceptions for people who are shit at their job
vestal briar
That was 1968
plucky ridge
The guy with his hands on his hips. "Whelp, I'm fired."
vestal briar
Looks like they have been shit at their jobs for a while now
vestal briar
Imagine this bridge being a legend of truck drivers before 11foot8 started
quasi estuary
folklore almost
vestal briar
Yeah
undone berry
yeah, I'm pretty sure at no point in life/your-career are you not regularly encountering people who are shit at their job and just generally thick
so you'd expect that from truckers as well
vestal briar
"The bridge is so tiny not even a car can fit through" then everyone jumps
Wonder what the worst crash has been
quasi estuary
a lot of the trucks that crash are Penske. Maybe Penske should tell people before renting the truck about this bridge...
vestal briar
Probably the local company
undone berry
the person doing the rental stuff isn't gonna be driving it
vestal briar
They fire their employees too often for it to become a warning inside the job
quasi estuary
i thought these people rented the trucks like u-hauls to do personal moves?
vestal briar
Oh is it rental?
quasi estuary
idk isn't that what penske does
undone berry
It all looks like HGVs
quasi estuary
or maybe commercial fleet leasing...
undone berry
those aren't rentals
quasi estuary
what would they be for?
gentle moss
the United States is fucking arse backwards on their driving laws
watching the same on my big TV
:D
if you did that shit in the UK
you'd have your license for that type of vehicle revoked
you'd have to pay a big ass fucking fine
and maybe civil damages
if it was a professional driver rather than an individual
the company might face action
gentle moss
minimum
gentle moss
wreckless endangerment
quasi estuary
are those trucks written off, or would that be repaired?
gentle moss
written off i'd say
vestal briar
Isn't that for potential loss of life?
gentle moss
yeah, and there is
quasi estuary
box repair = $$$$ or $$, $$$
undone berry
Nah, I don't know if they would be written off. I'm pretty sure the actual trailers aren't that expensive
quasi estuary
it's just riveted metal right
vestal briar
Top of the box won't kill anyone and bridge is designed to withstand it
gentle moss
and if you get rear ended when you suddenly stopped?
quasi estuary
the bridge doesnt get damaged i think, the bar in front of the bridge is mounted to the ground actually
so all the trucks hit the bar, not the bridge
gentle moss
WHICH HAD TO BE ADDED
vestal briar
That what if could be applied to any car accident in a populated area then?
gentle moss
FROM PEOPLE DAMAGING THE BRIDGE
quasi estuary
lol
gentle moss
yeah but it's not an accident is it though.
quasi estuary
doesnt get damaged *anymore
vestal briar
Nobody is hitting it on purpose
undone berry
you never know
gentle moss
if a car accident was caused by someone driving like a fucking idiot
gentle moss
and in this context
driving like a fucking idiot is not knowing the height of your truck
or ignoring signs
you're a hazard and a potential risk to life
wreckless endangerment could fit
i mean we're talking about America here though
you can speed and only have to pay fines
you might never lose your license for it
points system for lyfe boys
vestal briar
Is hitting a mcdonals drive "thru" roof reckless endangerment?
quasi estuary
it's not a big deal imo. the 11foot8 guy on his site says most people miss it. 2010-19 there's about 1 truck hitting it a month. so im guessing 99.8% of trucks heed the warnings
gentle moss
it's a big enough deal people should lose their license
imo
:P
at least to drive that class of vehicle
undone berry
I get that truckers probably aren't ever gonna pay that much attention if sat on interstates for hundreds of miles. But if you're driving through a built up area
quasi estuary
how many trucks pass by that daily. say 50. monthly thats 1500 monthly. so 1 truck a month is 0.067% of trucks hitting it a month
undone berry
you need to know whats going on
gentle moss
^
quasi estuary
but they're hitting a stationary object
i say do nothing because it's a non-problem
undone berry
which is worse
gentle moss
IN TRAFFIC
quasi estuary
nobody gets injured right
undone berry
If you're the local town
you don't want to close the road once a month
because of morons
gentle moss
shit, what if one person dies?
quasi estuary
the only people who pay for this are 1) the bridge owner's insurance, 2) the trucking company's insurance 3) the customer's of the trucking company's insurance
quasi estuary
nobody else is hurt by a few idiots crashing into a bridge
undone berry
No one is insuring this fucking bridge
gentle moss
^
vestal briar
Losing license and job with some fine is probably the normal way
quasi estuary
isnt it a train company that owns the bridge? it's insured
gentle moss
the insurance company probably made them put up that giant fucking guillotine
undone berry
Do you know how insurance works?
vestal briar
Hm
quasi estuary
if one person dies, raise bridge 8" + introduce fine over $1,000 for each truck that hits it
@undone berry elaborate?
vestal briar
Why didn't they highten the bridge before
gentle moss
that's
undone berry
why wait
gentle moss
fucking nothing
vestal briar
The bridge was rebuilt after the 60s but it was still low
undone berry
why on earth would an insurer insure something they know is going to be hit once a month
gentle moss
do you really want truck drivers out there who don't pay attention to signs?
quasi estuary
if im a taxpayer im not voting for someone who wants to pay $$$,$$$ to raise a bridge at my expense
undone berry
then you're a moron
vestal briar
Are you talking to @quasi estuary (bisk)
quasi estuary
@undone berry i guarantee that bridge is insured under the owner of the bridge. it's a part of an active railroad
gentle moss
there's literally a railway bridge where this sort of thing has happend like 4 times
undone berry
Plan: Raise the bridge, then fine people as though the bridge was lower
gentle moss
and they raised the bridge
vestal briar
After 90 years
gentle moss
or just, you know
vestal briar
Here it is in the 30's
gentle moss
actually have a license system and punish people for their actions
vestal briar
But eh
gentle moss
drivers should lose licenses and pay fines
quasi estuary
@undone berry i dont like the whatism of that solution but i cant explain what precisely i think is wrong with it
vestal briar
That's just a vehicle decapitator to get them punished on purpose
gentle moss
it doesn't even matter if anyone dies
undone berry
people hitting the bridge
people will get hurt, people could die
is a consequence of that
gentle moss
this is clearly a fucking public nuisance
vestal briar
Wouldn't that then be the goverment breaking more laws
By purposefully not raising the bridge, hence making that potential loss of life in the first place
gentle moss
what, the government not raising the bridge so idiots can drive under it?
vestal briar
Even if the truck drivers are morons
gentle moss
you are responsible for your actions as a driver
quasi estuary
how much do we estimate raising it 8" actually cost?
why should the taxpayer bear that burden?
gentle moss
why does that matter?
quasi estuary
because didnt the g't raise the bridge?
undone berry
and if we were experts
we wouldn't be experts in that specific bridge
and all of those factors determine factors of 10 or more
vestal briar
Even if the drivers are morons
gentle moss
fine drivers / companies heavily for that act (or take them to court over it) and then revoke the drivers license
vestal briar
Goverment should not purposefully make a decapitator
gentle moss
because clearly they're not fit to be driving that vehicle
quasi estuary
im saying it's not the taxpayers burden to solve this problem. the stakeholders who stand to lose $$$ should have found a solution. my question is why havent they. they = railroad company, truck companies
gentle moss
that's like me saying
"oh this S-bend is so tight, stupid government"
because i crashed and have now died
undone berry
the stakeholders don't give a toss
this impacts the public
the stakeholders can just put a fucking pole down and ignore the problem
gentle moss
how much effort is it to clean up afterwards?
that seems like a police incident
road is closed
vestal briar
Goverment wouldn't put spike stips on no-parking zones
gentle moss
people have to detour
quasi estuary
if im running a trucking company like Penske and 1 truck crashes every 2 months for 10 years, that might have a material impact on my bottom line via insurance rates, claims, lost revenue, etc
vestal briar
That would just be a death waiting to happen
quasi estuary
i dont know how big Penske is
vestal briar
Same as this bridge I guess
gentle moss
problem is Owez, the UK is semi-rational when it comes to road safety
and you've grown up here
gentle moss
the US is fucking insane
quasi estuary
for what bisk
gentle moss
driving.
quasi estuary
what specifically is thou'st beef
vestal briar
Yeah
quasi estuary
cananda is
vestal briar
US are more "leniant" but that just seems overly-stupid
gentle moss
you have to be CONVICTED to get points
in the UK they're automatic on an offence
and you can appeal
vestal briar
Engineers designing it also contributed I guess unless they unsucsessfully pushed at raising
undone berry
Ok - ungoodnight, this is a different conversation. The US road layouts are even insane. People are too stupid to know how roundabouts work, so you just have deathtrap massive intersections
quasi estuary
hm wait. maybe it's not a big deal. if you crash in the USA with no point system, your insurance rates go up...
quasi estuary
no roundabouts was a TERRIBLE decision btw
quasi estuary
well how should it work?
undone berry
You can also just not claim on the insurance
vestal briar
Hm I have an idea
gentle moss
"you crashed, maybe you shouldn't drive"
vestal briar
Make people pay for getting basic healthcare!
quasi estuary
i dont think thats fair
gentle moss
what?!
undone berry
Insurance rates don't go up if you don't claim
gentle moss
you don't think someone who clearly can't drive
shouldn't have their license revoked?
so if they're rich they can just pay the insurance difference?
quasi estuary
ok bisk say I misjudge an icy intersection and I get in a fender bender. my insurance rates go up because I'll make an insurance claim to fix my bumper. does that mean i shouldnt drive?
vestal briar
Sounds like bail for licenses
undone berry
yes. That is the exact scenario bisk posed
gentle moss
that's competely different. that's not total negligence
undone berry
he is saying every accident should result in a total ban
if you trip and headbut your car
no more driving
gentle moss
i'm talking about wilful negligence
quasi estuary
bisk your solution is optimal but you'd never be able to draw a clear line between when you should NEVER be able to drive again. what is that line, for every circumstance?
vestal briar
I'd say case-by-case basis
gentle moss
look at UK driving law, it's pretty fucking robust on this
vestal briar
If the box truck is on a car license and the company did not give proper introduction if it's a rental
quasi estuary
ok so in the UK how does it work?
gentle moss
wilful disregard for law or negligence will net you a ban
undone berry
Yeah, the UK doesn't do many permabans. But gives out 1/1.5/2 year bans quite regularly
gentle moss
DEPENDING on severity of problems
quasi estuary
so what's running a red light in the UK?
gentle moss
sometimes 3 -6 year bans
that's 3 points
you get 12 points on a license
unless you slammed into someone
vestal briar
My dad got one of them because of a broken sensor
gentle moss
then it might be higher
vestal briar
Bugger to appeal apparently
undone berry
most things are three points, using the phone is 6.
vestal briar
I think seatbelt is a caution then 3-6 on 2nd offence
gentle moss
driving a truck you should know the height of into a fucking bridge?
that's a HGV license revoked
quasi estuary
the point system is just a mickey mouse way of explaining it though. like if points = consequences (fines, driving restrictions, court), the US has all those right?
so whats the diff?
vestal briar
You can rent a box truck here without a hgv license if we're talking about uk now
undone berry
you don't get banned for speeding too often
gentle moss
if at all
undone berry
you don't get banned for using the phone too often
in fact, thats not even illegal over there
gentle moss
a CONGRESSMAN has had 13 speeding offences
quasi estuary
wait you can get BANNED from driving in the uk for driving while using a phone?!
undone berry
I think
quasi estuary
insanity
undone berry
insanity? Its worse than speeding
quasi estuary
can you have your phone mounted to your dash?
gentle moss
yes.
undone berry
yes
vestal briar
I'd hope so
sand goblet
Yes but you can't use it
undone berry
Police are pretty reasonable about it as well
gentle moss
i've been in the US
undone berry
although they can be bastards if they choose
gentle moss
and i've seen them drive
vestal briar
If it's no-hands its fine
gentle moss
they're fucking mental
sand goblet
Hands free systems are fine, yep
vestal briar
Like a glorified satnav
undone berry
(Even though driving whilst using hands free has been shown to be just as bad as holding it to your ear)
vestal briar
Really?
undone berry
Yeah - it makes sense too if you think about it
vestal briar
You have 2 hands on the wheel and have full vision
undone berry
2 hands on the wheel doesn't make that much difference
quasi estuary
the real problem here isn't; driving laws, it's insurance laws. if you are in an accident with someone without insurance, everyone loses.
gentle moss
no
undone berry
the key issue is being distracted and not giving the road full attentnio
sand goblet
It's still a distraction but it's not a visual or physical distraction
vestal briar
If it's hands free it's the same as just talking with passengers?
gentle moss
this is not an insurance problem
undone berry
Why do you fetishise insurance companies?
gentle moss
you can't solve everything with friggin money
quasi estuary
if you think changing driving laws in the USA will change driving behavior, i disagree.
undone berry
why does the USA assume things that work across the entire world won't work in the US
vestal briar
Why do you fetishise the word "fetishise" :p
quasi estuary
no, it works because the culture there is ingrained
gentle moss
that's why they can't have their guns restricted too.
look what that fucking does
american exceptionalism
vestal briar
But my freedom!11!
gentle moss
🇺🇸
undone berry
Gun control? Won't work here
Universal healthcare? Won't work here
Driving laws? Won't work here
quasi estuary
2A baby
vestal briar
Very nice unicode consortium
quasi estuary
i agree though stiffer penalties benefit everyone
undone berry
Free education? Won't work here
gentle moss
probably because they're too fucking thick
quasi estuary
e.g. distracted driving ticket is like $400-500 in canada
vestal briar
Logical unit system? Won't work here
vestal briar
(I know but don't tell them that)
quasi estuary
what do you propose for gun control solutions in the USA ?
gentle moss
is that $500 and points?
undone berry
oh shut the fuck up
vestal briar
Also please no duplicate metric vs imperial convosations <3
gentle moss
like you do it 4 more times and you get banned?
undone berry
the same gun control that works world over
vestal briar
We have them like weekly now
gentle moss
uhhhhhhhhhhh
quasi estuary
do you abolish 2A?
undone berry
Background checks and limitations on what can be bought by whom
gentle moss
i can't be bothered to get into this but fundamentally the 2A was redefined by a supreme court case in the early 00's
which completely changed the definition of it
quasi estuary
oh really
gentle moss
and that most countries in the world don't have like 2 fucking shootings a day
yes. it did.
i'll fucking go find it
brb.
vestal briar
Hm
quasi estuary
that's not sarcasm i didnt know that tbh
vestal briar
Why aren't air rifles more popular for protection
undone berry
because they're shit for protection
vestal briar
Are guns are usually a deterrent rarther than to shoot someone dead in the US
gentle moss
and after that ruling personal ownership of guns (and along with it violence etc) rose massively
i have had this conversation far too many times with yanks
undone berry
Given that the police regularly shoot innocent people because they might have a gun
I'd say they're the opposite of a deterrent
the fact they might be present costs lives
gentle moss
at this point i feel like a broken record
vestal briar
Yeah
gentle moss
plus i've got a massive meatball sub on the way
vestal briar
But if someone buys a gun
gentle moss
bbl.
sand goblet
Not much of a deterrent is it
undone berry
oh - pretty sure the motivation is to shoot
sand goblet
Locked in a safe
undone berry
like, waving it at someone isn't gonna do much
vestal briar
If someone sees a gun in the window, it'll be a little bit of a deterrent surely
gentle moss
still cooking
gdude is correct.
firearms need to be stored properly in a gunsafe
legal requirement
undone berry
Do you mean like a gun sticker , or do you mean, an actual physical gun in the window?
vestal briar
Let's just say they had a real one out illigally
gentle moss
then they're irresponsible gun owners and shouldn't own a gun
sand goblet
Yup
vestal briar
Resting on a cupboard near an open blind
sand goblet
Easy report
undone berry
yeah, this is a pretty dumb scenario
vestal briar
This is america we are talking about
sand goblet
If I can see the gun then I'll just report it
gentle moss
yeah, and that's the problem
vestal briar
I realise that
gentle moss
they think they're special because of a few lines of text that have been reinterpreted to mean WE GODDA HAV RRR GUNS ITS URRR RIGHT U NO
vestal briar
Really he just wanted everyone to have some bear arms
gentle moss
ONLY FIN CAN STUP A BAD GUY WITH A GUUUUN IS A GUD GUY WIT A GUUUN
fucking seen to many dead kids to bother with those arguments
vestal briar
Sounds like a nice law unless you loophole
sand goblet
It means you can Home Alone it
undone berry
As in, if they die you're culpable, or is it only if you set out to kill them?
sand goblet
Haha
vestal briar
Booby traps?
vestal briar
Just make them fall into a pit and have them struggle out for a day
sand goblet
You also have to be able to prove that they shouldn't have been there and there was no way they'd have thought they should be
gentle moss
unlawful imprisonment probably owez
sand goblet
Yeah you can't do that
Basically the idea is that you can fight them off of your property
vestal briar
What if you don't activly keep them there
quasi estuary
in 2017 the USA had 40k gun deaths, 24k of those were suicides so that's 16k non-suicide gun deaths. people get so aggressive about this topic because they think it's so preventable, but more deaths happen because of even MORE EASILY preventable things
vestal briar
Just on legal grounds as there was a hole there and you where away whilst they where in it
(You being actually unaware they where there)
undone berry
Not that many things lead to children being mass murdered
quasi estuary
250,000 people per year in the USA die from preventable medical errors
70,000 from drug overdoses
undone berry
Children being mass murdered is a lot more egregious than preventable heart disease
vestal briar
Medical errors?
gentle moss
yup, i'm out this convo.
vestal briar
They happen anywhere
gentle moss
peace. o/
sand goblet
Medical errors are gonna happen
But we already knew the US doesn't know what healthcare is
undone berry
For any problem which globally there is a clear solution for, you're dumb for not taking that solution
quasi estuary
what's the clear solution???
undone berry
oh shut the fuck up
vestal briar
Communal health care
sand goblet
Buy back the guns like the other countries have
vestal briar
Like we see in basically every developed nation
quasi estuary
yeah thats one way. AUS
sand goblet
The UK and AUS did it
gentle moss
STOP SELLING SEMI-AUTOMATIC .223 RIFLES WITH 30 ROUND MAGAZINES IN THEM TO PEOPLE WHO CAN GET A DRIVING LICENSE
undone berry
Banning handguns is a start
gentle moss
STEP 1
can't even DRINK but you can buy a fucking death machine
my meatball sub isn't quite done
:(
undone berry
so many obvious limitations that aren't in place
vestal briar
When did UK enforce guns again?
undone berry
90s
gentle moss
literally one school shooting happened with a handgun in the UK and we fucking banned them
vestal briar
Huh
gentle moss
1996/7
vestal briar
I thought it was 50s or 60s
gentle moss
no, that's for rifles / semi-automatic large capacity weapons
undone berry
Pretty sure even back then we had much stronger limits
gentle moss
and automatic weapons
vestal briar
Ah
gentle moss
something the US still doesn't do
quasi estuary
here's my solution for the USA:
- medical background checks integrating medical records across all states
- require all firearms trigger locked and ammo stored separately
- any negligent behavior results in a 5-year ban
vestal briar
What was allowed pre-1996
undone berry
I go back to what I said before
gentle moss
just a thought
undone berry
shut the fuck up
quasi estuary
australia didnt have 2A though
gentle moss
does the 2A give the right to a semi-automatic large calibre rifle that can hold 30 - 50 rounds?
no.
quasi estuary
- limit clip sizes
sand goblet
Oh now I know who you're quoting
quasi estuary
- get rid of all open-carry laws
sand goblet
Haha
quasi estuary
gdude i found it through a wiki link on gunplolicy.org
gentle moss
my sub is done now.
vestal briar
Some day the argument will die down to "but we need to keep people employed!1!11!!!"
vestal briar
Yeah
gentle moss
that simple.
quasi estuary
@sand goblet wait i wasnt off. about 40k gun deaths, 24k suicides, so 16k willful
undone berry
as though the law doesn't deal with millions of edge cases in other areas
vestal briar
What's the uk vs us violent deaths per 100k?
sand goblet
Well, last year's stats aren't out yet
vestal briar
(E.g. weapons)
sand goblet
The suicide numbers have been steadily rising though
quasi estuary
@sand goblet my #'s were 2017 but yeah
sand goblet
I mean I didn't say it was inaccurate
quasi estuary
biggest mistake the USA did was that 2000s court case bisk linked
sand goblet
Useful to get the full picture
quasi estuary
all firearms NEED to be locked.
- you can only have a firearm with you if you're going either to or from a range or designated safe shooting area
sand goblet
Contrary to popular belief you can get guns here in Ireland, for huntin' or shootin' varmints
We have almost no gun crime though
You only see them in rural areas really
vestal briar
Does UK have to have a reason for air rifles and the sorts?
quasi estuary
i bet ireland laws are similar to canada
undone berry
In the UK shotguns aren't too difficult to get, but rifles are very hard to get licensed for
vestal briar
I know we don't for smaller powered things like airsoft
sand goblet
And I've never actually seen one in person
undone berry
you can own them at gun ranges I think, but not actually take them away
sand goblet
We don't really have gun ranges
undone berry
You can just buy air rifles
sand goblet
Our police force is also unarmed
vestal briar
From what I heard you could do it in private places?
undone berry
do it do what?
quasi estuary
@undone berry isnt the knife problem a bigger issue for the UK than gun problems ? i dont understand how they have such a huge amount of knife deaths
vestal briar
Shoot
sand goblet
Knives are legal to just carry in the UK if you meet certain requirements, yeah
undone berry
mate
gentle moss
fucking strawman that shit
undone berry
you dimwitted turd
autumn herald
the knives problem?
undone berry
you use knives for cooking
sand goblet
In Ireland, you cannot do that unless you can prove you have a reason to
vestal briar
Show us stabbings, that's my school's answer
gentle moss
my sub is apparently not done
undone berry
not makin any steak with a glock
vestal briar
Bisk's sub is a metaphor for this convosation
gentle moss
piers, don't you use your semi-automatic death machine to cut up your dinner?
also you can own a rifle and take it home but the licensing is very strict in the UK
vestal briar
I like to
sand goblet
Owez you continue to mystify me
undone berry
I like to cook burgers with it. Get the barrel hot, sear, then repeat til its done
autumn herald
it's nl steel, folded 1000 time
quasi estuary
it's called glockamole, a southern staple
vestal briar
Gives it a nice metallic flavour
gentle moss
hahah
sand goblet
You can spell metaphor but not were
gentle moss
glockamole
gentle moss
that's probably the best thing you've done in this conversation
quasi estuary
❤️
gentle moss
and most productive
sand goblet
Lol glockamole
quasi estuary
i think my solutions are reasonable
quasi estuary
what's your biggest beef with my suggestions bisk
gentle moss
i direct you to the rest of the world's sensible gun laws
my answer has already been given by about ~90 countries across the planet
my sub is actually here now
sand goblet
Actually I think that one's mine
gentle moss
race you to it
sand goblet
Hahaha
quasi estuary
if your goal is stopping willfull homicides (about 15k/yr) banning AR's wont change that. most happen with handguns. so do you ban handguns? i say, have trigger lock restrictions, no open carry, and only can use on route to a range or hunting area, and national medical background checks. that solution actually addresses the problem, which is most willful homicides in the USA happen with legally acquired handguns...
vestal briar
It does though
quasi estuary
well that's one way to do it. could you impelment banning handguns in the USA within the next 10 years? how would you do that?
gentle moss
undone berry
Buyback+make them illegal
gentle moss
ban guns, eat subs.
vestal briar
Bisk your sub is getting cold, better warm it and spend 5 more mins here
odd thorn
That’s how you get a civil war, I fear.
vestal briar
Too late
quasi estuary
yeah that's the civil war recipe
quasi estuary
lol owez is ready for civil war with the smiley face
odd thorn
Nah, I just brought some napalm. 😛
vestal briar
Have you seen the little boy?
sand goblet
It's not hard to ban guns
you don't just fucking
outright go "ok guns illegal now"
quasi estuary
it's the blowback, not the act itself ya goober
sand goblet
you take the money out of trump's wall and you use it to buy back everyone's guns
quasi estuary
well there ya go
sand goblet
if you give them a good deal then you will get the majority of them off of the streets
odd thorn
No.
sand goblet
worked in several countries already
quasi estuary
*several countries without equivalent 2A laws
sand goblet
the US is not as special as it likes to think
odd thorn
Those countries weren’t the US.
quasi estuary
gdude have you been to the US
sand goblet
No, luckily
quasi estuary
ah, you're missing out!
undone berry
On what? Salmonella
undone berry
And an incredibly high proportion of gun violence
undone berry
Even with insurance - salmonella is no fun
undone berry
there are lots of nice countries in the world. Not sure why the US would be top of the list
quasi estuary
are people actually worried they'll be involved in gun violence if they travel to the USA lmao. you're so much more likely to like.,.. i dont know.. die in a car accident
vestal briar
I knew someone who had their insurance company fly them back to the uk to get treatment for a severed knee
undone berry
Not actually that likely. Just shitting on a terrible country
vestal briar
He flew 1st class with a splint on for 36 hours before he got to a doctor
sand goblet
well it's sure as hell more likely to happen to me there than it is here to be fair
vestal briar
Becuase it was cheaper that way
quasi estuary
P( you die via gun | you're visiting the USA) < P( you die via car crash | you're visiting the USA)
undone berry
alright
quasi estuary
@vestal briar ok i need that policy
sand goblet
to be fair, the actual work I have to put in to even get into the US..
quasi estuary
ireland needs visa?
quasi estuary
???
sand goblet
they can turn you away when you arrive for any reason at all if you don't have one
sand goblet
well, if I get a nice person, I don't need it
it's not a legal requirement
but it does protect me to get one
quasi estuary
plus that's a whole ocean to cross
in my head it's farther from Ireland to NYC than Ireland to Qatar
undone berry
Do you not just need an ESTA? Seems fairly easy to get in the UK
sand goblet
at least they've stopped invasively examining devices at the border I guess
Ireland is not the UK
quasi estuary
i thought ireland was a trump golf course with metal wind mills
quasi estuary
... so how about those abortion laws huh ?
quasi estuary
im joking. i was referring to the controversial late term abortion laws that are new in ... i think NY?
or a few states maybe
you can now abort 3rd trimester, before i dont think you could in NY
lol
tame terrace
abortion, yeah, there's a good topic for a python server.
quasi estuary
fair
hey is the number beside your name the number for this server? that' s so cool
rough sapphire
It's because lemon's #1
rough sapphire
can I be on index 0
rough sapphire
how can i remove somthing with a text file ik how to append not sure on removing
sed -i '/%s/d' ./database/Blacklist/blacklist.txt
Tryed this but doesnt remove urls
sed: -e expression #1, char 9: unknown command: `/'
error when tryna remove a url
vapid bluff
every now and then i forget why windows virtual desktops suck and try using them again
then i rediscover the shittyness and stop again
a vicious cycle
bright wing
Why does VS Code not support real time linting?
plucky ridge
Because at its core, it's just an editor
It would have to be written as an extension or plugin in order to gain that functionality
terse sluice
sigh precommit flake8 hook with pipenv is not wanting to work
it's not using the pipenv virtual env
plucky ridge
Is this with our repo or something else?
solid pollen
I made it to work for the code jam
terse sluice
yeah code jam
solid pollen
What is not working?
plucky ridge
Just like anything else, it depends on your needs
solid pollen
No it is not
royal lakeBOT
plucky ridge
I really think you're trying to take on too much at once
frosty berry
@low shadow do you have any idea how much resources you are wasting? people are here to help, but you ask nonsensical questions, and you don't take the answers into account, all you are doing is making people tired, and less likely they'll help other people
no you don't
gentle moss
speaking of pentesting. i submitted my self assessment questionnaire for this cyber security super duper or whatever for my company
it's mostly yes/no answer questions, with a commet field i assumed was for additional information
e.g. "Do you use anti-virus? Yes / No"
plucky ridge
cyber security super duper
Please propose to them that they call it that
gentle moss
tick yes, in comment "except on Linux servers"
but a bit more verbose
most of the questions are like
"are firewall rules subject to regular review?"
"yes."
But APPARENTLY I'm meant to fill out EVERY SINGLE COMMENT SECTION
plucky ridge
That's got to be unpleasant
gentle moss
"Has each open port on the firewall been subject to approval by an authorised business representative and documented?"
"Yes / No / No Firewall"
that'd be a yes
but that's not enough info for them
?!?!
sand goblet
they want examples I guess
gentle moss
but they don't ask for examples
it's just "customer comment"
i have no comment because it's a yes or no question ffs
"For each question a text justification can be submitted in support of the response."
doesn't sound like "please justify everything you chose."
vapid bluff
time to call em
gentle moss
we used a different company for this thing when we ran another company through it
they just had some drop down boxes on a website and then boom submit
got a call off the people and explained their reasoning for the questions they had questions about
instead this is going to turn into a back and forth email chain because fuck off am i filling out ~70 comment boxes for clearly yes/no questions
plucky ridge
Hand written or typed?
gentle moss
typed
plucky ridge
Small saving grace at least
gentle moss
pfft, woman called me the feminine of my name in the email complaining about my response too
frosty berry
do you think "yes" would be a fine comment?
gentle moss
haha
i would rather have them tell me exactly what's wrong with it and where they need more clarification
cause i thought i clarified everything that needed to be clarified
and coming back to me like "clarify everything please" isn't nice
it's mean.
gentle moss
"are proxy servers used to provide controlled access to the internet for relevant machines and users?" "Yes, Sometimes, Never"
uhhhh, never.
am i supposed to justify not using something
plucky ridge
"No, because that'd be stupid."
gentle moss
some of these questions feel like they're out of the 90's / 00's
sand goblet
Comment: Pee pee poo poo
gentle moss
haha
sand goblet
banned from twitter
low shadow
Who
gentle moss
one of the dumbest questions in here is "are all administrator accounts only used to perform legitimate administrative activities with no access granted to external email or the internet"
now, is that systems administrator accounts
or does that mean like...
sand goblet
Some guy took a photo standing outside of the Twitter HQ with a sign saying "Peepee poopoo" @low shadow
gentle moss
you know
sand goblet
And twitter beaned him
gentle moss
the business type administrator
who administrates business
because a business administrator with no internet or email is fucking useless
and a system administrator with no internet can just switch it back on
undone berry
Honestly, your thing sounds so much like my shitty A-Level IT exams a few years ago
I feel like the government is just stuck at least 10 years behind
gentle moss
dude i just want a shiny badge to put on our website
and some shit to brag about
but yeah, it's a government initiative
rather than being industry driven
plucky ridge
"Does your company use "the emails"?"
plucky ridge
And most governments are behind the times. It's a big ship, and requires a lot of distance before it can finish a turn
gentle moss
and then it crashes into an italian island
plucky ridge
Well at least they'll be well fed
undone berry
Sure. But I feel like the relatively newly formed National Centre For Cyber Security body should be somewhat up to date
plucky ridge
HA
gentle moss
their standards are great
plucky ridge
It's still old white guys
gentle moss
but some of their initiatives are bit shit
undone berry
Maybe this self assesment thing was just palmed off to the inerns
whilst the actual people did real work
so the interns were just pulling it out of their arses
gentle moss
well this is a 3rd party Info Sec company delivering it
undone berry
oh sure