Ah
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
vestal briar
plucky ridge
I've had RAM go bad on me plenty of times
vestal briar
What about for smaller things like keyboard controllers
plucky ridge
And recently a couple PSU's, although those were on work machines
rough sapphire
I recently nearly had to replace my HyperX ram
plucky ridge
Oh if a keyboard goes bad I just get a new one
rough sapphire
IDK how the shopkeeper magically repaired it
plucky ridge
Unless it was a really expensive one
rough sapphire
for 5 bucks
plucky ridge
Like, anything above $100 I'll typically try to get things fixed or replaced
@rough sapphire Entirely possible he just had to reseat the ram
Or move the ports they were on or what have you.
rough sapphire
ram have a reset thing ?
vestal briar
I misread that too
plucky ridge
Gives the connectors a fresh bite on the contacts
rough sapphire
oh no , its totally not that, i do that kind of troubleshooting myself only
i tried the ram on a friend computer too
didn't worked
vestal briar
I'm repairing an old bike at the moment
They are complicated but not at the same time
plucky ridge
Possible he had the same sticks and just swapped them and is going to RMA them himself or something
Who knows
vestal briar
Quite a fun thing to do
plucky ridge
That is pretty odd though, especially for that price
rough sapphire
I saw him rubbing a liquid on ram contact point , and it worked magically
plucky ridge
Oh, dirty contact then. Were you careful when you applied thermal paste?
rough sapphire
yeah i was
rough sapphire
I only saw him do that , there were no sign of opening the RAM case itself nothing
vestal briar
Just a big ol blob of themal paste on the ram contact
plucky ridge
Looking under the heatsink wouldn't have done any good
rough sapphire
no soldering nothing
plucky ridge
Well no
vestal briar
I wonder if anyone has made a heatsink for ram
plucky ridge
No one is going to do that. Any in shop work is never going to unsolder parts, not anymore
Maybe like
rough sapphire
there are heatsink for them
plucky ridge
20 years ago if that
Sure but even then, removing the heatsink wouldn't do any good other than getting the heatsink off
rough sapphire
metal blades running out are basically heatsink only
vestal briar
Are you still talking about ram?
plucky ridge
Si
rough sapphire
yes
vestal briar
Are you being sarcastic?
rough sapphire
not me
vestal briar
I don't think laptop ram has thermal paste
plucky ridge
No no no, and even desktop ram doesn't
vestal briar
Sort of but I doubt them blades do anything
rough sapphire
G skills , it's been a while
plucky ridge
They do a bit
rough sapphire
same
i have black one
I use to be able to go to advanced restart and the USB would be there. But it's not showing up now. I flashed the USB with balendaEtcher. When I set up the previous partitions I used an external hard drive.
The bios is blue.
its legacy then
MBR And GPT , which one it supposed to be
vestal briar
BlueBios V234.3220™️
rough sapphire
Yeah it should be MBR format
sand goblet
You probably just flashed the wrong one
rough sapphire
I use rufus for flashing
sand goblet
But UEFI will handle MBR just fine too in most cases
plucky ridge
Same, Rufus is great
sand goblet
Yep
vestal briar
Is it windows-only?
vestal briar
Probably why I don't use it
sand goblet
Yep
vestal briar
rough sapphire
That's sad
plucky ridge
Eh
plucky ridge
I can't imagine much
All it does is adjust a boot table on your flash drive and toss the right files on there
vestal briar
rough sapphire
see the size
vestal briar
Looks like it just doesn't find anything
Gui boots though
@rough sapphire Normal version installs it "permanently" into windows
plucky ridge
Yep
vestal briar
Other one is basically an exe that you just drag and drop
plucky ridge
Portable doesn't bother putting anything in the registry
rough sapphire
wait it doesnt need installation
plucky ridge
Nope
vestal briar
No
plucky ridge
Just runs
vestal briar
Does windows have any tiny optimisations for permanantly installed software?
rough sapphire
ah registry
plucky ridge
Sort of
If you use something often enough, SuperFetch will preload it to memory for you
But beyond that... eh
rough sapphire
I think balenda might not of liked the lubuntu iso. Rufus had to download two other files to get it to work.
vestal briar
Wouldn't that happen for a normal exe also though?
plucky ridge
Fair point
vestal briar
Oh yeah
plucky ridge
I wouldn't have figured that
sand goblet
Never had issues with superfetch
But I do have enough ram to just disable the pagefile
vestal briar
But a bad "portable" version would just save to some hidden folder anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯
plucky ridge
I have on a couple machines at work
Sometimes it just goes bad and never stops trying to preload
No idea why
sand goblet
It's weird because I have like none of the issues with windows 10 that everyone else has
Aside from the one where updates occasionally uninstall speccy
plucky ridge
I mean it's all anecdotal. I only experienced it because I work on so many machines
plucky ridge
Also had an issue with the.... Whatcha call it... the Quick access thing that will load your most recent used files? That would straight up crash Explorer
Had to turn that completely off
rough sapphire
I so wanna get a SSD soon
gentle moss
Search Index.
rough sapphire
my windows search doesn't work actually
vestal briar
The windows bar is always slow on any machine I have used
plucky ridge
SuperFetch is a separate issue
gentle moss
ahhh that was the laptops with spyware
plucky ridge
SuperFetch precaches commonly used programs to memory, the search index thing precaches so you don't have to take as long if you do a file search
However sometimes the processes just go haywire
plucky ridge
Preloads then
vestal briar
Is cached?
gentle moss
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
plucky ridge
It loads the files before the program is run
gentle moss
no i'm thinking of something else entirely
plucky ridge
Just changes when the disk read happens
gentle moss
not even that or search indexing
plucky ridge
Which issue are you thinking of?
rough sapphire
Do you have a SSD ? for windows ?
plucky ridge
Ahhh, right right
rough sapphire
never heard of that
gentle moss
basically some shit was bundled on laptops from lenovo and was pretty much spyware
installed its own certs iirc too
so you could be MITM'd by them
plucky ridge
Gotta love that
gentle moss
superfetch can cause slow down on SSD
plucky ridge
And this is why I hate all the crap tons of bloatware machines come with
gentle moss
since reading straight from the SSD can be faster than the precache
plucky ridge
Yep
In theory Windows should be smart enough to catch that and not try to pull those files from SSDs
But...
vestal briar
Mm ORM bloatware
plucky ridge
You know...
gentle moss
but if you're seeing crazy high IOPS the first thing i look at on windows is what the index service is doing
*OEM
vestal briar
Whoops
rough sapphire
I always change the OS which comes built in laptop
vestal briar
I think I remembered you talking about ORM vs SQL before
plucky ridge
Correct
gentle moss
so you treat your database stuff as objects rather than handling it as
well
SqqL
thanks keyboard
plucky ridge
Cry harder
gentle moss
god damn my q key is dying now
that's qquite the issue
oh yeah, double up now
bitch.
:|
plucky ridge
The ORM can be a bit slower, but development with it can be faster
plucky ridge
Another case of take your pick on where you want your slowness
Depends on what I'm doing
If I'm just checking through the DB, I'll just vanilla SQL
gentle moss
developing with an ORM can be slower if you're less comfortable handling them as objects
vestal briar
Using plain SQL sometimes just ends up making a mini orm for 1 item
plucky ridge
Anything deeper yeah, I'll do an ORM
plucky ridge
Ever notice how capital Q's look a bit like balloons that are floating away?
vestal briar
I know SQL but just prefer orms almost 100% of the time
rough sapphire
PR
P is taking a step
plucky ridge
Again, use cases
gentle moss
also experience.
plucky ridge
After having to fuck with SAP, I'm confident in my SQL
gentle moss
for me all this knowledge is a means to an end and sometimes learning the new thing is a bit much effort for the end result
aw fucking SAP
gentle moss
the one customer we have that uses it we told to go buy professional SAP support because fuck that noise
turns out that the company they got was actually just an agency that hires random SAP devs for individual tickets
rough sapphire
Well I made a little progress. The USB now shows up in the BIOS, but I can't seem to boot from it.
plucky ridge
But that means that EVERYTHING is a table, and everything has about 30 sub tables
gentle moss
did you just copy the contents of the ISO to it?
plucky ridge
And then everything YOU add in gets twice that many
gentle moss
or did you just put the ISO on it?
plucky ridge
It's a fucking nightmare
rough sapphire
I flashed it with Rufus
rough sapphire
Mbr
plucky ridge
Or a different flash drive
gentle moss
since MBR is considered "legacy" now
plucky ridge
Back later
gentle moss
see if you can flip your BIOS / UEFI into legacy boot mode
it might work then
and turn secure boot off.
now i shall play some skyrim and occasionally look at this screen to offer more tech support if you need it
just pingo mingo.
rough sapphire
its a legacy boot
Ty bisk
I think it was because I didn't set a partition size when I flashed it the first time :3
Here is that message I got before.
I think it will work this time. You guys have all been extremely helpful.
gentle moss
is that the i386 iso?
rough sapphire
Yeah.
gentle moss
your PC is 64bit, right?
rough sapphire
Yes
plucky ridge
Then that's the wrong iso
gentle moss
you want the amd64 iso
gentle moss
sometimes you'll see it as x86 vs x64
but AMD basically did 64bit first
so it's AMD64
rough sapphire
Blarg. I glanced over that at the beginning.
Maybe that's why my last pi install kept breaking too.
plucky ridge
Entirely possible
rough sapphire
I've got a lot to learn about this stuff.
plucky ridge
Anything for a Pi will need to be running an ARM architecture version
gentle moss
CPU architecture is basically the instruction sets that the processor accepts
that's why stuff has to be compiled for different CPUs
rough sapphire
I did a lot of work on a couple different pis. But one day they just started to corrupt after a few restarts.
gentle moss
well, SD cards aren't an excellent method of storage
they can die quite quickly if they're cheap and you do a lot of read/writes
rough sapphire
power fluctuations fuck SD cards hard, which is what might've been happening with @rough sapphire if they all died at once
plucky ridge
Also the SD does not stand for Super Delicious, so they shouldn't be eaten
Just ah... just a tip
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge it's ok if you do though, it comes out in one piece
gentle moss
👌
rough sapphire
These are all possible reason. The last one didn't even taste good.
gentle moss
psssst
people have historically eaten full sized cards to avoid having them be discovered
:3
rough sapphire
Haha I bet.
I am one of those people
I really speak from experience
yes, it did work afterwards, unfortunately
gentle moss
i hope you wrapped it before you snacked it
rough sapphire
slapped it on me sandwich
gentle moss
nom nom nom
little bit of ranch dressing
god damn there's a pun in here somewhere
uhhhh
rough sapphire
Was it completely processed or ejected early?
it came out naturally if that's what you're asking
plucky ridge
As god intended
"Yep, this is the SD card exit hole. I'll probably use it for food waste, too, idk."
rough sapphire
God had experience with swollowing contraband?
gentle moss
IT'S A GOOD THING YOU DIDN'T PUT ANY ROMAINE IN THE SANDWICH
that's all i've got so far
rough sapphire
because of the e. coli? @gentle moss
gentle moss
.... yes
rough sapphire
... oh
gentle moss
no :(
plucky ridge
Card would have shot out of you like a bullet
rough sapphire
Omg
gentle moss
yeah i fucking know
rough sapphire
🤔
plucky ridge
Probably had to take a megabite out of that sandwich
gentle moss
bitch
plucky ridge
How did you miss that one
rough sapphire
Thats pretty good.
plucky ridge
Okay NOW I'm ACTUALLY gone. You guys are too entertaining to talk to
rough sapphire
in all honesty, there wasn't even anything juicy on the card
it was one of those "you're not a real hacker until you've" moments
should've downloaded a car onto the sd card beforehand, damn it
Or a horse.
you wouldn't.
rough sapphire
Lol, I never knew I wanted that link until just now.
rough sapphire
how can i create a bootable usb stick that can be used for another things?
Rufus seems to be a good program to flash a USB drive. balendaEtcher is good too. Ubuntu 32 bit is a good option because it works on a lot of machines.
The hard part can be booting to the USB drive that will likely take some research. I think that fast boot might be the most important thing to disable in the bios.
On windows you can go to advanced startup options to boot from the USB.
There's a little info. I'm still a noob. Trying to get a USB stick to work right now. You can scroll up and find a bunch more info from the conversation that happened in the last few hours.
You can also install a portable version of virtual box on a USB and use it that way.
You will have to partition the USB to use it as a boot drive and something else, like a storage device.
I've used diskpart for that in the past, but there are probably better options.
@rough sapphire
@rough sapphire
how can i create a bootable usb stick that can be used for another things?
windows? Rufus in ISO mode. You can just create a directory on the disk after Rufus is done where you store all of your other shit
you can also create separate partitions for it like @rough sapphire suggested but it's more effort without much pay off IMHO
gentle moss
plus windows hates multi partitions on usb sticks
rough sapphire
yeah, that. still... since, like, DOS
i'm hoping microsoft implements proper volume/partition management and ext3 support in a future update
gentle moss
it makes no sense since you can NTFS usb sticks n shit now
i think part of the issue was FAT
rough sapphire
how do you mean?
rough sapphire
So it looks like I have 7 partitions. Does that mean I am using GPT currently?
Oh wait I see that I am using GPT
Guess I llstick with that.
I'm setting up a new partition table (first time doing this on my own). There is an 8.8 gb swap partition right now, so I'll create another one of those on the new table.
But I also have some small NTFS partitions. Less then a gif each. Why would those exisit?
plucky ridge
Did you wipe the drive entirely?
rough sapphire
I haven't wiped anything yet.
Maybe I should keep the old table, delete the old Linux partition and install the new OS over my windows partition which is the has the majority of thd hard drive?
Then later I can install something else where the old Linux use to be.
I think I'll try that.
violet wadi
God, my pc keeps hanging up on launch and it's getting on my nerves
2 restarts should be enough to satisfy that cheeky bastard
Task manager doesn't work either
It's like my pc has just decided to curse me
rough sapphire
You get any errors you can Google?
violet wadi
Everything within programs themselves is frozen, but windows itself seems to work fine as I can play music with the taskbar
Don't think so
It's just "hangs up in programs and everything else is apparently fine for some inexplicable reason"
violet wadi
What
rough sapphire
I just removed windows from my machine. Doing the same would likely fix your problems :3
violet wadi
Alright, this takes the fucking cake, I can open the windows menu but I can't click any of the buttons in it
rough sapphire
So you can't start any applications?
violet wadi
I'm not gonna reinstall windows
I can start them from the taskbar and stuff, but I can't do anything within them
rough sapphire
So you could open fire fox by not surf the web?
violet wadi
Tried opening task manager to see if something was taking up lots of ram, but I couldn't click anything within it
Yeah, I started chrome but couldn't do anything within it
3rd restart now
pine vector
i'd boot into safe mode and see if the problem persists.
sand goblet
Safe mode, refresh, reinstall
Yup
Windows really shouldn't get into this state if it's taken care of though
It's not the first time I've seen it
pine vector
what was the last-ish thing you were doing/installed prior to this happening?
violet wadi
I'm not even sure if I can enter safemode, cause I cant open the shutdown/restart menu
Can't remember installing anything
It was fine an hour ago
violet wadi
Just listening to music
Alright
Gonna do a 4th restart real quick and just not touch anything until things stop popping up
pine vector
I do miss the old boot-into-safe-mode procedure
sand goblet
It's still there
It's just that Windows boots so fast you only get like 1/16th of a second
pine vector
i've never gotten it to work.. 🤷♂️
violet wadi
What's the key, again
violet wadi
Do you really just gotta spam it
sand goblet
You can also force your way into that menu by powering it off during the boot process a few times
pine vector
oh yeah. i did do that once...
rough sapphire
Uh oh. My computer didn't like what I just did.
violet wadi
Uh, I think it works now?
Moment of truth will be opening chrome
What lmao, now chrome is closing my tabs when I click on them
What is this shit
violet wadi
Congratulations
rough sapphire
did you start in safe mode?
violet wadi
No
And it just doesn't fucking work with more than one program at a time
There's got to be something seriously wrong with my pc
What's the best way of reinstalling the os
sand goblet
You can just do it from the settings app
violet wadi
which friggin settings app
violet wadi
Yes
rough sapphire
my old linux partition mounted on the new one and I still have access to all the files even though I did the roulette thing. What's that about?
sand goblet
You can probably just type refresh into the search to find it
rough sapphire
I thought I removed /
violet wadi
Gonna do oooooneeee more restart, cause I managed to figure out how to restart without having to click anything
rough sapphire
gl
violet wadi
I think it works now? Tried running a malwarebytes scan
rough sapphire
nice, the new lubuntu came with 2048, there goes the rest of my productivity
vestal briar
One is different from the rest 🤔
rough sapphire
heh
the one that is not restricted by a globe.
because it is not longer enough just to police a single planet.
vestal briar
And yet has a globe in its logo still :)
rough sapphire
lol, I didn't see it in the corner there
vestal briar
About 16,000 Air Force active duty and civilian personnel are to be assigned to the Space Force while the branch is gradually integrated into the U.S. Armed Forces ecosystem, including establishing independent procedures for manning equipment, training personnel, and creating uniforms, logo, patch, awards, and official song, reportedly within an 18-month period.```"official song"
rough sapphire
gotta blend in with those purple aliens
rough sapphire
What's that one material that absorbs like 95% of light?
I think the uniforms should be made of that
vestal briar
Spaceforce does sound like a good idea for the future
rough sapphire
I don't exactly like the idea of NATO making space a warzone, but I see why they would need to do that to combat entities that might not follow the rules.
plucky ridge
Spaceforce does sound like a good idea for the future
So does actually funding NASA properly so that we CAN do that
rough sapphire
we just need those brain chips to make everyone placid and not interested in war
mint whale
Me and my freind are making a discord bot anyone wants to participate?
rough sapphire
@mint whale can you please stop spamming that message?
rough sapphire
yes they can
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge your comment reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chLOgj8xjx8
well if nasa had it the military wouldnt, so that wouldnt be a very good idea for the us.
they probably wouldnt even have much time to do stuff with that money
I don't get what you mean
wooden silo
they probably wouldnt even have much time to do stuff with that money
If they had that money, they could just scale up their operations.
Hire more people, run more projects.
gentle moss
if they had that money they could buy a whole country and operate as SPACE LAND
preferably on a mountain
rough sapphire
the two words are kindof opposites though
thats like naming a bottled water company "DESERT OCEAN"
frosty berry
tired: SPACE LAND
wired: SPACE TIME
gentle moss
fired: SPACE MINE
oh yay
"You cannot log on because the logon method you are using is not allowed on this computer. Please see your network administrator."
oh dear it looks like he's not going to be helpful today
oh shit killer mike is killing it
We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil
Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby
Same as in Iraq and Afghanistan
And Ahmadinejad say they coming for Iran
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rough sapphire
@gentle moss i had a couple of those lying around in my room at my parents place
gf came over and asked how I got my CDs to be so shiny
gentle moss
haha
rough sapphire
also nice beard dude
gentle moss
it's getting there, if a bit bushy
gentle moss
@rough sapphire
what's the ls command to list a bunch of sym files without showing their sym link
and have them in list format rather than row
ah, it's L
nvm
ls -Ll coolj
undone berry
I don't normally love hip hop, but Reagan was insanely good
gentle moss
good track, yeah
it's just that one line came to mind reading the news this morning
K Mike was just 8 years early
i much prefer El-P to Killer Mike for the most part.
undone berry
You can definitely see why the US is the most hated country in the world
gentle moss
yeah
rough sapphire
I recently found out ls -Shapiro is a proper command
gentle moss
i think we went through this
gentle moss
i... i may have symlinked ls to ben
rough sapphire
oh epic
gentle moss
double check time
that dude is a massive tool and that wasn't a worthwhile joke
root root 7 Nov 24 10:47 ben -> /bin/ls
sigh
rough sapphire
ls is a very important tool, indeed
gentle moss
i find myself typing it way more than i probably need to
should really install terminal based file explorers
rough sapphire
re: file explorers
i still use ls
it's useful
but never felt the need for an actual explorer
frosty berry
i did setup fuzzy search with fzf in my shell, but i don't think about using it ever, i mostly type it accidentaly
while i use it all the time when i'm in vim, it's curious
rough sapphire
i'm quite comfortable in my shell
sand goblet
I'm a big fan of the decades of software development and improvement we've had since that was the norm tbh
rough sapphire
i feel like we've dumbed things down and sacrificed efficiency for "muh design"
frosty berry
the thing is, terminal apps also benefited from that, fish and vim are quite more modern than csh/ksh and vi for example
gentle moss
i appreciate shells because i'm not dicking around with a mouse so much
at least i think that's my favourite thing about them
undone berry
Not having to leave the keyboard is great
gentle moss
100% agree, especially when it's usually on my lap
that means raising my hand up to the desk height
oof, the strain that'd put on my muscles
wooden silo
@undone berry I dunno, China is giving it a run for its money right now
frosty berry
i wouldn't necessarily agree, the US has a longer history of messing with other countries, and using freedom rethoric to advance its interests (yeah as a french, we did quite some of that too), china is doing things differently, and the history of abuse to other countries is much smaller at least in the global consciousness, and whatever attrocities china is commiting, it's mainly internal, and the outrage is quite limited.
not any arab country is officially complaining about the abuse of the ouigours for example, it's mostly activists caring about it.
gentle moss
the US is fucking hated
China has actually provided, in the past few decades, some serious financial "aid" (loans) to broke African nations to help them build infrastructure
undone berry
Practically the entirety of Central/south America have reason to hate the US. The entire Middle East, parts of Africa. Obviously Vietnam et al in Asia
gentle moss
in the past 2 decades the U.S. has basically just annihilated the middle east
and yeah, that's not including South America where the US has regularly fucked up shit by trying to assassinate people
install their own leaders
etc etc
undone berry
The US has been fucking over the Middle East since the 50s
gentle moss
i mean it's one reason Iran hates America in the first place
the CIA tried to overthrow their government
wooden silo
I'm aware, just saying that China has not been doing much to manage its PR in the last couple of years.
gentle moss
it's PR management doesn't including killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in foreign nations under false pretexts
frosty berry
china is refreshingly honnest about not giving a fuck
gentle moss
the U.S. is undeniably responsible for the instability in the middle east through proxy wars and picking sides in who to sell advanced weapons to
frosty berry
didn't the us assassinate a prominent iran official, like, last night?
wooden silo
No, but China is running Nazi level concentration camps with millions of people of an ethnic minority on its own soil, though.
rough sapphire
a general
gentle moss
yep
the reason was that Iran supported a paramilitary group that was helping to fight ISIS in Syria
but was also doing some shit in Iraq
frosty berry
ok, hadn't followed how we got there
wooden silo
And China is breaking down a functional developed democratic society in order to absorb it.
gentle moss
and that this guy, the Iranian General, was a key figure in support of said paramilitary group
wooden silo
And openly vying for doing the same to another.
frosty berry
sure, iran is far from clean, but it's not the kind of things that are going to cool down the tension
gentle moss
even the Department of Defence said this was a "target of opportunity"
killing an iranian official in an iraqi international airport that moves ~7million passengers a year
that's....
fucked
Iran is fundamentally surrounded, when you think about it
USA in Afghanistan and Iraq
then US friendly Saudi's to the south
frosty berry
@wooden silo arabs (aside very rich ones) are treated badly everywhere, even in arab countries, while the situation in china seems to be a lot worse, they are used to nobody giving a fuck., and china can afford to fuck anybody throwing a fit, so there is not much vocal backlash against it, which doesn't raise awarness.
gentle moss
and by no means am i suggesting that Iran has clean hands or anything
but this is a great way to start another friggin war
a war that will probably be faught in Iraq too
vestal briar
Looks like something just happened there
wooden silo
@frosty berry Not sure what your point is. The Uighur camps aren't just a matter of discrimination, it's verging on genocide.
frosty berry
"funny" to see old trump tweets about how obama was going to start a war with iran for political reasons.
gentle moss
i do not disagree with that at all demen
frosty berry
@wooden silo i'm not arguing that, i'm arguing it's not having a large effect on the hate china gets.
gentle moss
however that particular region has been repeatedly, over almost 60 years, just been screwed over by the United States
wooden silo
I feel like disapproval of China is rising.
frosty berry
some GUI are well designed for keyboard efficiency, yes, @sand goblet it's just forgotten by most.
sand goblet
Developer and sysadmin tools are usually pretty good for it
gentle moss
yeah, that's true, but disdain for the USA was already pretty fucking high in the Middle East and this is just going to stoke that fire.
sand goblet
And that's fine because they're the only people that care that much
gentle moss
shit, pretty much just pouring napalm on it
frosty berry
@wooden silo sure, but the US has been running that way for a long time, China can certainly catch up, but it'll take time, or massive external abuse.
wooden silo
I didn't mean to imply that people hate China more than the US on a global scale, just that China seems to be doing its best to try to compete for the title of most hated.
frosty berry
ok, that's not i interepreted "giving it a run for its money", my bad 🙂
vestal briar
Is getting oil a joke by going to the middle-east or is that one of the long-time intentions of the wars
gentle moss
while i see that point, they're praised somewhat internationally for actually trying to "help" other nations through infrastructure projects
sand goblet
It's a thing, yes
gentle moss
so it kind of offsets it a bit
frosty berry
the US likes to sit on its petrol reserves, it knows how dependent it is on energy
and limited supplies are a big no for such a thing, so hoarding is a rational strategy
wooden silo
Perhaps, though it seems pretty obvious it's just a means of expanding their sphere of influence.
gentle moss
"we're pulling our troops out of Syria.... except for the oil fields."
- literally the president
vestal briar
Got to keep the war machine going I guess
frosty berry
not sure where i read that, but some argues that the US is essentially running a keynesian public investment based economy, but with most of the money going to the military, instead of public infrastructure
gentle moss
Mark Esper, the current secretary of defence, used to work for frigging Raytheon
ooooh
Raytheon is a major United States military contractor!
frosty berry
there is no cap to the amount of investment that can go in the military
gentle moss
and what's this? Esper was a lobbyist for Raytheon?
frosty berry
i guess we'll never know 😄
vestal briar
What did one of the presidents coin?
frosty berry
these dots are so hard to connect
vestal briar
Ah - "Military-industrial complex"
undone berry
hower
gentle moss
Eisenhower.
frosty berry
one of the sane ones i guess
gentle moss
pssst, he wasn't.
vestal briar
Didn't he start the whole vietnamise war
frosty berry
oh noes
gentle moss
he basically said we should protect the U.S. interests by using military force
undone berry
Eisenhower was gone before Vietnam was a thing
vestal briar
He was an ex-general
vestal briar
He ended office at 1961
frosty berry
hm, i mean, that's been the defining role of countries for all modern history, no? it's how they got built
vestal briar
So he is responsible for the vietnam war under his term
gentle moss
one of the very few moral wars that the United States had no desire to take part in
womp womp
undone berry
Apparently eisenhower wasn't gone by the time Vietnam started
gentle moss
no, he was Korean war
undone berry
but he wasn't there for the bulk of it
frosty berry
yeah, nazis taking over europe was all fine until the japanese messed up with pearl arbor
gentle moss
that shit was brutal
vestal briar
Can extremism be classed as a religious war? (minus secondary intentions)
frosty berry
extremist is a not really a useful classification
if you kill all the extremists, the moderates are now extremists
wooden silo
Fine is an overstatement. The US was pretty heavily invested in supporting Britain before Pearl Harbor, just not with direct military aid.
gentle moss
yeah
cash and carry
"we'll give you guns if you bring all the money by boat first."
vestal briar
You know what I mean
gentle moss
"then sail it back across the atlantic while uboats chill out n that."
vestal briar
IS is an extremist religious group
gentle moss
to be fair that's more of the fault of congress over an individual president
rough sapphire
didn't ISIS stop being a thing
gentle moss
lol no
rough sapphire
haven't heard anything of them recently
but i've also been actively avoiding media
gentle moss
that'd be the one
frosty berry
@vestal briar i like what Iiad Al Baghdady says about that, the european and US right wing has in common with Isis and others, that they don't want middle ground they want extremists, they want a religious war, in that sense, they are allies
gentle moss
i think reagan said it was a war of "ideals"
the first gulf war
Russia vs US in a proxy war
wooden silo
Aren't all modern wars pretty much proxy wars between the US and Russia?
gentle moss
nah, not all
vestal briar
A little bit with this one but with other powers I think
frosty berry
there are also proxy wars between SA and Iran
gentle moss
at any rate, the United States just attacked an international airport to kill an official from a state that the United States has repeatedly try to perform regime change in and failed.
wooden silo
It feels like there's a US/Russia component to almost every conflict if you just scratch the surface a little
gentle moss
Iran has been saying since the 70's that the US are after them
and they're not wrong.
frosty berry
i think it might be an effect of looking for them, of course, the US is going to pick a side in any conflict, it doesn't mean they started it
gentle moss
plus if this all goes to shit then the winners, regionally, will be Saudi Arabia and Israel
frosty berry
(they definitly started some)
gentle moss
oh plus Turkey
wooden silo
Wasn't the whole Syria thing about natural gas pipelines to the west or something?
frosty berry
Syria is a mess because there are definitly more than one causes
gentle moss
no, that started as a religious paramilitary group believing that the state wasn't hard line enough
and wanting shit to be stricter
but it developed into a proxy war
frosty berry
it also started because of drougth that caused people getting hungry
gentle moss
and now Turkey is moving into Syria, with Russian weapons, and the United States withdrew troops to just... let them
frosty berry
and harsh repression of it
vestal briar
@gentle moss Sounds similar-ish to cyprus
frosty berry
you can't explain the syria mess in 5mn, it's a minefield of competing interrests
gentle moss
yeah
but it sprouted, i believe, from paramilitary groups disageeing with Assad
then different groups got different backing from different states
so you had loads of rebel causes with all sorts of weird funding and ultimate goals
urg, what a mess
vapid bluff
@gentle moss
CIA tried to overthrow their government
didnt just try, they literally did. in the 50s iran had a rising democratic leader who was going to nationalize iran's oil and then the cia and mi6 swooped in and fucked it all up, solidified the monarchy.
undone berry
CIA tried to overthrow their government true of practically every country not in europe
frosty berry
assad also released jihadists just to add to the mess when he was losing territory to the FSA, as they were natural enemies
rough sapphire
Wonder what Iran's new name is gonna be after it collapses
undone berry
In the 50s Iran was just a fairly liberal democracy
then the British/US instituted the Shah
frosty berry
oh you think it's done already? Iran is a big deal, even if the US gets into war with it, it's not going to be like irak or syria
rough sapphire
Iraq 2.. the extended version
wooden silo
@vapid bluff He wasn't democratic, but he was western-friendly and relatively progressive, especially compared to the current theocratic regime.
vestal briar
"Peoples democratic republic of Iran and Iranian intrests"
rough sapphire
no people's in the name.. that sounds too similar to DPRK
vestal briar
Their new closest ally
rough sapphire
Iraqian Outback
frosty berry
wouldn't they go with Persia or something like it?
gentle moss
yeah, mossadegh was moer towards preserving Irans interests rather than being a US puppet
rough sapphire
it was Persia before.. then it became iran in the 70s
gentle moss
so the CIA supported the monarchy and paramilitary groups etc
vestal briar
Yeah, persia sounds good for it
rough sapphire
wonder if there's going to be nuke's involved..
rough sapphire
really.. I thought the name change was in 78
gentle moss
no
rough sapphire
might've gotten my years messed up
vestal briar
I bet it's going to be something along the lines of "republic of persia"
undone berry
Iran is the Persian name
vapid bluff
In the 50s Iran was just a fairly liberal democracy
then the British/US instituted the Shah
also eh... not quite @undone berry. the shah was already in place. he appointed mossadegh as prime minister.
frosty berry
50 years, not much compared to all of the history of the country
rough sapphire
oh right.. it was something to do with hitler.. they were influenced and changed the name
vapid bluff
it was still a monarchy
frosty berry
yes, but much more liberal
gentle moss
and wasn't a huge fan of the United States
frosty berry
but who is, really
gentle moss
the United States
read some of the US Senators responses to this attack
it's fucking crazy
frosty berry
yeah of course they are
rough sapphire
hope Russia doesn't interfere
frosty berry
don't even dream
undone berry
The UK is at least slightly fetishistic towards the US
frosty berry
they thrive on the chaos the US is causing
vestal briar
First time I have seen that word
rough sapphire
US senators are just blowing smoke.. they're all pro war regardless of party lines.. it keeps the MIC busy with $$
frosty berry
(and cause a lot on their own)
undone berry
Russia's foreign policy strategy is to literally sow chaos everywhere, even when said chaos wouldn't work in their favour
to ensure that no opposition can manoeuvre effectively
rough sapphire
I predict the UK will say it wants to avoid war and that it's going to persuade the US to not engage.. but that'll be for media gimmicks..
frosty berry
again, the military complex being a big purveyor of jobs, they want some of these in their state, so can't spit on the whole thing
gentle moss
HAHAHAHA
i reckon Boris would be well up for a bit of war
create a nice distraction
plus he's just been elected so he has 5 years of power
undone berry
I think he would appear to be reluctantly pulled into it
gentle moss
and we sell weapons to saudi Arabia
rough sapphire
Russia stands to profit a great deal from war breaking out.. Iran's oil supply being cut means, EU and APAC will need to get their supplies from Russia or somewhere else in the Middle East
wooden silo
I saw a Reddit thread yesterday claiming 5-minute Crafts and related channels are part of a Russian propaganda campaign.
frosty berry
i guess that'll depend if he wants to appear as trump buddy or not anymore
rough sapphire
of course.. but the UK won't project it's eagerness in the media..
gentle moss
well he wont get his 1 year trade deal done with the EU
undone berry
in fact - literally this morning on the BBC there was an article allegedly about army recruitment that very much read as advocating another war
gentle moss
so that'll default to a trade deal with the US i think
frosty berry
i've seen a few things that were interesting at first morth into russian propaganda machines over the years
i've been caught up in the brain wash at least 2 times
gentle moss
and nah tron, you'd be surprised
for some reason some people here really want a good ol' war
rough sapphire
all I know is.. it
frosty berry
not proud of it, but now i know i can be failible to that, and i'm more careful, and i assume i'll get caught again
undone berry
I think most people here
rough sapphire
it's a good time to buy Oil
gentle moss
like fighting a nation
undone berry
don't want to go to war in the middle east
rough sapphire
commodities.. or wherever it's trading
gentle moss
what the public want and what the tories do are two very different things
rough sapphire
lots of sand and oil
wooden silo
@gentle moss That's insane.
undone berry
Yeah, I agree that going to war isn't unlikely. But I think for the PR they'd try and appear reluctant
gentle moss
we make significant bank off sales of weapons to nations in the middle east
rough sapphire
so does Germany.. they're awfully quiet today
or maybe I'm mistaken.. didn't they halt sales or something recently
gentle moss
germany is reducing their sales
towards a halt in 2020
the UK hasn't...... bothered.
"nah fuck it."
we still sell weapons and training to them
despite there being proof (i believe) british weapons were used to kill civilians in yemen
undone berry
Also - the entire UK/US commentary on the assassination feels like gaslighting. Shoving the idea down your throat that the guy deserved to die, but it shouldn't have been Trump to order it
gentle moss
that's the advantage of having a small population
your statistics look better / worse
wooden silo
And like the 15th biggest overall.
rough sapphire
sweden's population is what.. 10 - 12 mil.. that's about the same or less than most cities in asia
wooden silo
Yeah
gentle moss
The UK's largest clients were: Saudi Arabia (49% of all sales), Oman (14% of all sales), and Indonesia (9.9% of all sales).
Germany's largest clients were: South Korea (14% of all sales), Greece (11% of all sales), and Israel (8.7% of all sales).
rough sapphire
fireworks seem inevitable
wooden silo
Swedish weapons have been used in recent years in conflict areas such as Burma (1983, 1989 and 2012), Colombia, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia.
rough sapphire
technically sweden is responsible for b*****
with the invention of dynamite and all
gentle moss
norway.
wooden silo
They got to Burma through India, apparently.
gentle moss
that's norway.
wooden silo
No, it was Nobel that invented dynamite.
gentle moss
oh no, it was sweden.
rough sapphire
grrr
wooden silo
Ironically.
gentle moss
my bad.
wooden silo
Nobel founded the prize because he felt bad about the military uses of dynamite.
undone berry
Didn't Nobel found the prizes because he realised dyanmite would do harm in the world?
gentle moss
i knew it was Nobel but the Nobel prize people are Norwegian
so i assumed he was Norwegian
wooden silo
No, they aren't.
rough sapphire
fun fact.. the only major wiki contribution I ever made was figuring out how much Alfred Nobel left behind for the prize back then in today's terms
undone berry
The Nobel Prize is a set of annual international awards bestowed in several categories by Swedish and Norwegian institutions in recognition of academic
wooden silo
I can see the house where they have the Nobel gala from my office window, lol.
wooden silo
For the peace prize.
undone berry
The peace prize is a budget rip off of the main thing
wooden silo
Four of these committees (for prizes in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, and literature) are working bodies within their prize awarding institutions, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, Karolinska Institutet, and the Swedish Academy.
gentle moss
"which prize did you get?"
"peace prize"
"pffft... wannabe."
undone berry
To be fair, Obama has a peace prize which is a bit of a joke
wooden silo
Yeah, that was ridiculous.
gentle moss
agreed
you know Corbyn got a peace prize?
not the nobel, but a prize for life time efforts in trying to bring peaceful resolutions to conflict etc
and to be fair, he has consistently done that
¯_(ツ)_/¯
undone berry
also known as consorting with terrorists
gentle moss
yeah, damn that man for sitting down the IRA to discuss a peaceful resolution
undone berry
Just to be clear - that was a dig at the way newspapers tried to attack Corbyn
gentle moss
was clear to me
"terrorist sympathiser!"
for... [checks notes]... trying to stop terrorism
"look at him in this picture with known IRA terrorists! ᵈᶦˢᶜᵘˢˢᶦⁿᵍ ʷᵃʸˢ ᶦⁿ ʷʰᶦᶜʰ ᵃ ᵖᵉᵃᶜᵉᶠᵘˡ ʳᵉˢᵒˡᵘᵗᶦᵒⁿ ᶜᵒᵘˡᵈ ᵇᵉ ᶠᵒᵘⁿᵈ"
gentle moss
yaaay, digging through GPOs
jagged fog
rough sapphire
@gentle moss urg GPO's. an evil.. a lesser evil.
gentle moss
"Dear Support Team,
I have discovered that our desktop computers are still on Windows 10 Version 1703. As far as I'm aware this version is 2 years old and out of support!
I believe the latest version is Version 1909.
As i understand it, Domain Desktops receive their updates from the server. Can you please investigate why the desktops are not getting these updates and make the arrangements for this?"```the server they have is Windows Small Business Server 2003 and we've been telling them to upgrade it since they came on as a customer.
rough sapphire
Do they have the win10 ADMX files?
gentle moss
i mean we can probably individually patch the win 10 machines
but the SBS server was setup for when they were on XP or some such
rough sapphire
I couldn't reliable get Windows 10 to apply GPO from an SBS 2008 r2..., let alone 2003
GPO won't apply without the correct ADMX files... so yeah
gentle moss
and, as you might know, SBS is a fucking BASTARD
rough sapphire
has anyone been monitoring WSUS anyway?
gentle moss
i much prefer the core versions of Windows Server
rough sapphire
it can be, yes, but it's handy for smaller operations... cheaper too.
gentle moss
they've been complaining about these types of domain / server issues repeatedly and our answer has been "you actaully need to upgrade."
we're at the end of our tether with them.
rough sapphire
your account manager needs to put them on notice that as SBS2003 is out of support, its out of support for you guys as well
so they get 0 support for out of date OS's
gentle moss
yeah, that's why we've got a stop notice on it
these Stone Cutter's types are a bit of a fucking lark
always with the fucking latin as well
twats.
rough sapphire
🎵 We Dooo, We Doo! 🎵
gentle moss
those would be the ones.
rough sapphire
i remember a very long call I had back when I was working for an MSP.... guy bought web-based email hosting from us (no ongoing support, etc etc).
Couldn't work out how to get it working... always claimed it was the service at fault... tried to get one of our team out to him 200 miles away to type the details into outlook for him.
plucky ridge
Would have been one hell of a bill to levy to him, though
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge oh, he didn't want to pay
rough sapphire
indeed. He was some kind of modeling guy, working with B list models etc.
gentle moss
send them a step by step guide a grandma could follow to configure Office 365 in Outlook then ask for you to drive out to them
"that would be a call out charge of around £300 if we do it, are you sure you don't want us to walk you throug-"
"no no no, just send someone out and we'll get this sorted."
rough sapphire
He had a screenshotted guide, with HIS details in, for his version of outlook emailed to his personal address, which he confirmed he could access.
plucky ridge
"Well sir, then I believe I have the grave task of informing you that you have the dumb"
rough sapphire
Since he wasn't on any kind of contract, the company insisted on the callout charge upfront.
gentle moss
nice
our adhoc work is almost twice as expensive as our support contract work for callouts
rough sapphire
as it should be
plucky ridge
Yep
gentle moss
that dude was always calling up asking for different bits of support
we did keep telling him we could get him on a contract and it might work out cheaper
rough sapphire
I think we had a 1 off fee option on any of our products, which basically gave you a 75% discount if you needed a call out.
plucky ridge
"Maybe this month I won't have to contact them"
solid pollen
I need to do the code jam qualifier, but I'm completely sick, I can't properly think 😦
plucky ridge
Like
gentle moss
just use split and do the basic reqs
plucky ridge
Sick sick or hella sick
gentle moss
psick with a p
plucky ridge
Is that like pgrep
solid pollen
psick
plucky ridge
Process search
solid pollen
Plant Genetic Resources International Platform ?
gentle moss
oh nice
plucky ridge
Lets you get the process id for something
Had to do that to kill a few things before
It's especially useful if you have something set up as a daemon
gentle moss
i've just been piping into grep
solid pollen
Gonna see tomorrow if I can do the qualifier
plucky ridge
I had to do that when I was SSH'd into a friend's server to set up a bot
frosty berry
pkill is nice too
plucky ridge
Fo sho
plucky ridge
That it does
gentle moss
fun fact; Tom Morello, the guitarist from Rage Against the Machine, before in RATM used to do exotic dancing with his flatmate to raise money to get a hot tub.
to be fair Jason Statham had something similar of a job in the 90's
he used to be a dancer and performed in a number of music videos
and it's quite funny
he kicks in at about 34seconds
plucky ridge
I'm pretty sure I can kill a man with the cable I have in my hand
The cable is very heavy and bulky
I have no idea why I bought it for work but there it is
frosty berry
you probably don't even need the cable though
plucky ridge
...... you can't prove that
frosty berry
…allegedly
plucky ridge
It's a 15 ft Dual DVI cable
shadow jetty
all my cables are wireless
gentle moss
i could kill a man with some coaxial
hefty cable becomes a whip
it'd be harder to strangle someone with... i imagine
plucky ridge
Yeah. But I'm not talking strangulation
frosty berry
Hands?
plucky ridge
I'm talking like
frosty berry
Fists
plucky ridge
Bludgeoning
shadow jetty
bloodgeoning
plucky ridge
Oh jesus, I forgot we had some of this stuff.... Anyone thing we might need to use a couple Zip drives?
Or a SCSI terminator?
vestal briar
bloodgenoming
frosty berry
i remember artists liked zip disks a lot, maybe that's still true 😛
you can maybe sell that to audiophiles, telling them it's good old analog that won't put steps in their waves
plucky ridge
Oh I thought you meant so that they can turn them into instruments. You've seen those videos of people who have turned old drives and printers into instruments, right?
Having the motors and what not run at certain hertz?
frosty berry
oh yeah, that was fun
imperial march on hdd
ah no that was floppy drives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM_sAxrAu7Q beautiful
(it does help that i like saturated sounds 😬)
plucky ridge
It's just amazing what people come up with
frosty berry
yeah, people are amazing 🙂
and of course he has undertale covers, who doesn't, but awesome
(after years of listening to these tunes, i've started playing it like two days ago, amazing game)
rough sapphire
The Floppotron is awesome
rough sapphire
@devout echo Looks to be behind a login. What is/was it?
solid pollen
Guys, is SQLite a good choice for a small shopping site? I just came across a page on the django website saying “SQLite is built in python, so you don’t have anything to install, however, you should consider using a more robust database later, like PostrgeSQL”
gentle moss
if you use an ORM you can use whatever database you like to start with
then if it out grows SQLite then you can change it to something more suitable
SQLite is fairly robust too
pretty hard to break it
solid pollen
What do you actaully mean by “robust”? Speed, security, efficiency..?
gentle moss
fault tolerance
solid pollen
Oohhmmmhh
frosty berry
sqlite is fine if you don't have multiple connections, it's a really good database as long as you don't need to scale too much, if you are going to get a lot of traffic, and so want multiple workers to answer requests, it's going to suck though.
sand goblet
sqlite is basically unusable for python webapps, yeah
frosty berry
i've had a blog run on it
sand goblet
just based on the way they have to scale
frosty berry
but the spam i didn't filter well enough did fill up the db and made things really slow until i cleaned up
with just blog posts and a reasonable amount of comments, it was fine though
i guess you could have multiple readers on the same file, and only one writer, and put some logic to always delegate the posts/put etc to this one
gentle moss
great example of an sqlite app that has problems scaling
frosty berry
but i never tried