The illegitimate use of the issue tracker from trolls is just preventing anyone from doing actual work. There's definitely a more mature way of approaching it, rather than bombarding the issue tracker with fake issues and messing with the members of that org.
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
it's been years since it was made an issue
why does vscode have a github repo anyway
What's the license for it?
I dunno.. I thought everything microsoft was theirs
Visual Studio Code is a distribution of the Code - OSS repository with Microsoft specific customizations released under a traditional Microsoft product license.
too much lawyer talk.. does not compute
Either way, that doesn't mean people are entitled to troll the issue tracker.
Whether it's open source, free open source, or closed source.
let's see.. it's the end of the week.. so it's probably going to die down or get worse.. nobody knows
I didn't see anything on reddit, so I'm guessing it didn't get much coverage
coverage.. omg another pun XD
on a roll today
sand goblet
@rough sapphire The initial issue wasn't legit if you actually looked into it
rough sapphire
@sand goblet Wasn't it just the hat?
sand goblet
It was about the hat, yeah, but the source the guy linked actually disagreed with his stance
And if you look at the archived version of the issue with the deleted comments available, he's not even part of the group he's apparently defending
Also the guy isn't much of a developer and has a weird site full of.. Well, very non-legit looking stuff
sand goblet
It's actually about Microsoft's response I think
They immediately apologised and removed the hat when a single person complained, but they're locking and closing all the other issues
They did replace the hat with a snowflake, though
Haha
rough sapphire
Yeah, I saw that lol
Huh, here I thought it was a genuine "This bothers me on a fundamental level" thing, and they didn't want to upset people over specific holidays/religions/etc
sand goblet
It just seems to be trolling from the top down, yeah
rough sapphire
I wonder if anything has popped up on Twitter or the chans that shows this was all just a troll.
sand goblet
MS should have done their research instead of doing something silly and invoking the Streisand effect
Yeah, not sure
rough sapphire
Huh, appreciate the heads up ๐
sand goblet
The guy's argument in his last comment was "I'm German so I need to protect the Jewish" basically
Despite his site showing that he's clearly Norwegian..
Anyway, yeah, it was a mess, haha
rough sapphire
Yeah, sounds like low level trolling
sand goblet
Pretty much
rough sapphire
Anyway, you get a break yet? ๐
sand goblet
Oh I just got up, haha
rough sapphire
Ah, on break already?
rough sapphire
Ah. Wasn't sure if you said the 24th or when it was
sand goblet
And then we're off for a bit
rough sapphire
I've been working on this project I'm doing for a while now. Few times I've had to stop as I'm just surprised at the choices made. Maybe 15 minutes ago, I went "...Wait, they really used bytes as a variable name...?"
sand goblet
Haha
Shadowing!
Tell you what, I had a really weird dream last night
Do you know Sonos, the company?
sand goblet
Yeah
So basically in this dream they had released a smart toilet and an accompanying app
The toilet was the cleanest thing you'd ever seen, nobody managed to leave a single trace that they'd used it afterwards
But it had a strange, killer feature
Along with the app you could use the plumbing network of the toilets for shipping stuff to other toilet users
Haha
rough sapphire
Didn't Google do that with their April Fool's?
sand goblet
They even had a marketplace in the app and a warehousing service
So people were cooking food or harvesting fresh produce, taking photos in the app, sticking it in these waterproof sphere containers, and flushing it down this toilet
And then other people were buying it and having it delivered by toilet
It was a pretty wacky dream
rough sapphire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Google_April_Fools'_Day_jokes#2007 Yep. "Google TiSP"
Except their's was internet
I mean
That's a pretty great dream honestly
wooden silo
It's like those vacuum tube mail systems
sand goblet
Haha, I've never heard of that one
rough sapphire
SPEAKING OF!
What are those banking things called... The air things that send the capsule out to your vehicle and back to the bank?
wooden silo
To your vehicle?
rough sapphire
Yeah
There was a great bank heist that happened in Germany or some such where they used them, years ago, to break in.
sand goblet
Interesting
rough sapphire
Was one of those "Well, that's pretty impressive."
wooden silo
But you're referring to a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_tube ?
rough sapphire
Yeah, kind of. They have capsules that you can put your check or some such in, and you drive up from your vehicle.
wooden silo
According to the article they are still used by hospitals, apparently
Which I guess makes sense
They might need to transport physical objects through a large building very quickly.
rough sapphire
@gentle moss Yes it is
rough sapphire
Why are you polluting my tubes bisk
gentle moss
Teeedddd Stevens
rough sapphire
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BANDWITH FOR THIS
MY INTERNET ISN'T GOING TO GET THERE UNTIL TOMORROW
Yeah that was such an archaic understanding of the Internet
I gotta admit
That's a thing I haven't heard in a while
Thanks bisk
brb
gentle moss
i believe he was also the chair of the Senate committee on commerce, science and transportation at the time
it's surprisingly hard to find the original recordings now
rough sapphire
"Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday!"
Man, talk about a throwback.
solid pollen
I was 4 in 2006 haha
wooden silo
@rough sapphire You're only 14? That's not old.
rough sapphire
@wooden silo ... I mean that... 2006... was nearly 14 years ago...
wooden silo
When you were born? That's what I said.
rough sapphire
Yeah, probably
solid pollen
The thing that is kind of dumb, is that you get older every year bisk, sorry
rough sapphire
The thing that is kind of dumb, is that you get older every year bisk, sorry her finger and her thumb in the shape of an L on her forehead
Fixed that for you
solid pollen
Thanks
rough sapphire
No problem, it's what we're here for
Going through memes now thanks to bisk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAYV3d9fSW8 Listening to this wonderful work of art while doing it too
rough sapphire
Yeah, that makes sense
sand goblet
Did you end up going to the millennium dome, bisk?
gentle moss
the giant human body you could walk through was dope
sand goblet
People selling chocolate ice cream should be done for misleading advertising
That shit does not taste like chocolate
Millennium dome, London
rough sapphire
Huh, neat
gentle moss
it was opened as a big exhibition centre for the new century
sand goblet
Around 20 years ago also
gentle moss
i mean millennium
sand goblet
Yep
gentle moss
well, both really
and then they had endless trouble trying to flog it after it was built
sand goblet
True
gentle moss
it was still under construction after 2k had hit
iirc
O2 own it now
it's used as a exhibition centre and a stadium
gentle moss
i when to see a tutankhamun exhibit there
pretty good space
still feels pretty futuristic in its own way
gentle moss
hmmmm
2006 memes
trying to off the top of my head some
i think WRRRYYYYYY was a thing
ceiling cat?
rough sapphire
All Your Base
oak tangle
someone set up us the bomb
gentle moss
chuck norris jokes were mid 00's
gentle moss
how are you gentlemen
oak tangle
@gentle moss there's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbhE3GRiUE
gentle moss
all your base are belong to us
rough sapphire
You are on your way to destruction
gentle moss
you are on your way to destruction
gentle moss
you have no chance to survive make your time
ha. ha. ha.
take off every zig
cruise vs oprah, that's also old
LEEERROOOOOY
etc
oak tangle
Some of the animal memes are also old
Not sure how old the raptor is, but you had those rainbowy background ones
with cats and dogs
oh wow, they list it as actually 2006
oak tangle
probably, more polished
gentle moss
TIL: i accidentally added an "l" to a script i was working on when Win+L locking my screen 6 months ago and didn't notice
gentle moss
i had just tested said script and was just giving it a once over before saving it
i saved the l
l story s the script hasn't been running for 6 months
i saw that
oak tangle
haha
vapid bluff
6.9 is too high
vestal briar
I have yet to watch it
Seeing that the last jedi was rated higher, I can't imagine this one will be great
jagged fog
6.9 nice
they destroyed everything 
but they don't care since box office is gonna reach 1b easily
should all be fired
jagged fog
nah not all of them are bad, I'm guessing only the top baboons are responsible for this
gentle moss
disney, the single best exploiter of IP
and they own like what, 30% of the market share of movies now?
undone berry
To be fair, the franchises they own are movies I don't like. They generally stick to money making movies rather than trying to make anything good
Still absurd how big Disney is
gentle moss
it's 35% apparently
35% of all movies released are owned by Disney
that Disney / Fox merger was insane
1 Walt Disney 12 $3,273,179,227 359,295,189 31.73%
2 Warner Bros. 28 $1,549,325,887 170,068,691 15.02%
3 Universal 20 $1,258,712,493 138,168,211 12.20%```in 2018 their share was 26%
that's cool
solid pollen
\o/
gentle moss
now you can have all 3 listen in to your shit at the same time
solid pollen
Yay!
vestal briar
๐
rough sapphire
and spy at same time
gentle moss
i mean that was kind of my point
talk to siri who communicates with your alexa that triggers a google home device
rough sapphire
that reminds me if this vid https://youtu.be/vmINGWsyWX0
sand goblet
I appreciate that they have an annoying box in that shot
gentle moss
:D
rough sapphire
what is best c# or c sharp
wooden silo
Is this a trick question?
sand goblet
I prefer C Hashtag myself
crude ridge
Or in german C Raute
oak tangle
Hmm, if you make it a C#maj7, it will have some nice tension
gentle moss
what
c#maj7 isn't tension
it's more like
the start of a song played by a guy who's trying to serenade a woman sat on a haystack in an autumnal setting
wooden silo
Oddly specific
gentle moss
it's only a half step away from the main chord in "Kiss Me" by Sixpence None the Richer
i think that's a Dmaj7
huh, i guess it's not that major a part of the progression
solid pollen
A report out earlier this month found the cost of creating new bitcoin, a process known as mining, now averages around $6,300 per bitcoin
Outch
wooden silo
Well, it makes sense that the cost of production would closely follow the price.
frosty berry
oh, there is still profit to do then ๐
it's normal that it tends to the price of a bitcoin, after all
wooden silo
I think there almost per definition has to be a profit, because if there isn't, people stop doing it and total mining capacity decreases, pushing profit up again.
Unless Bitcoin falls out of favor entirely.
sinful copper
I think they can adjust the cost
wooden silo
It's self-adjusting
sinful copper
yeah https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-hash-rate-new-record mentions it
frosty berry
people can still do it for a loss if not doing it implies a bigger loss
i guess you could call that profit though
hallow portal
this was a bad idea
ran as many ms-dos execs in win 1.01 until dos had no more space then ran them all at once
jagged fog
50 percent of the global bitcoin computing power was located in Chinaโs Sichuan province. 
ebon vessel
51% attack incoming?
hallow portal
E7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+ME7r9t8@Q#h%Hy+M apparently takes an infinite amount of time for a password cracker to get
vestal briar
Or "๐" takes an infinate amount of time
frosty berry
"even a not so long sentence, that is easy to remember, like this" would take infinite time for a cracker to solve
64 ascii characters, that's 439985273984774139364885786774155225074372621425249766976946157772109425125407741241214744259687760072793219732307971501512893104906241 possible combinations
want to crack it word by word? 13 words, let's say out of a list of 1000 common english words, ok, we are down to 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000, still good enough for me
vestal briar
Yeah
tame terrace
@frosty berry https://diogomonica.com/2014/10/11/password-security-why-the-horse-battery-staple-is-not-correct/
what you said reminded me of this
frosty berry
@tame terrace i know of this idea that we should delegate as much as possible to password manager, but i'm not a believer of it, i do like to make complex passwords for each website, that if i use them enough, i'll be able to memorise, and if i don't, i'll use the pretty useful reset password metode. I try to share my passwords to as few software as possible, and i'm not a fun of depending on a network based setup to be able to use them from machine to machine.
when i really need to, i use a command line tool like mkpassword to generate a password, save it into a gpg file, save this file on a server, and i know i can reteive it later, but that's for things that i know i won't access frequently, and for which a memory based password doesn't make sense.
but i agree about some things in this, password rules are often nonsensical, and cause me to create passwords that are harder than necessary to remember, unless i go for the predictable solutions
tame terrace
in an era where your password was only vulnerable to crackers and dictionary attacks, I used to say the same thing. I rarely used the same passwords on two pages, but I'd often use variations of that password, or a password with some of the same component parts. and then some website would inevitably leak that password and I'd need to consider which other passwords I might need to change. there are just so. many. leaks.
if you really have the ability to memorize a unique, secure password for every page you frequent I guess password managers would actually be less secure.
but I doubt most people have got that ability.
my mom can't even remember the one password she uses for everything.
and some of the services do not require network based services. FYI.
https://www.passwordstore.org/ this one works through the same means you said you sometimes used manually.
others let you keep a local encrypted file for offline access
and yeah, password rules are ridiculous. whenever someone tells me my password must be less than 20 characters or something I feel a bit uncomfortable trusting them.
rough sapphire
I visited a site that I tried to use a password manager on, it wouldn't let me make an account because apparently having symbols in the password crashes the page
another one said my password must be less than 10 characters
tame terrace
must be less than 10 characters is just irresponsible.
I mean. that's fairly trivial to crack then, isn't it?
rough sapphire
yeah definately
It was on some really old online school course thing I had to take because H
you could tell because the videos attached asked you if you wanted to use Dial-up or Cable
vestal briar
That's basically inviting people to break it
rough sapphire
dial-up
vestal briar
"It is illigal to break into our system! Passwords must be 3 characters long and made with a or e"
tame terrace
haha. yeah I remember in the late 90s, early 2000s, practically everything asked if you had dial up or cable / T1
because it was such a paradigm shift
you might even make two versions of an app, tuned for each internet speed.
should the progress bar display percentage or minutes and hours?
vestal briar
Developers probably didn't expect that system to last 15+ years
Not an excuse for the horrible password limitations but hindsight probably plays a lot in it
tame terrace
maybe we should make a social media site that enforces a 2 digit pin as the only password, and allows instant, unlimited retries. these days when everyone is getting hacked every day, why worry about security? after all, if someone steals your account and changes your PIN, it'll only take you like 5 minutes to get it back.
vestal briar
rough sapphire
Ok Paypal?
vestal briar
I mean I could make that a thing @tame terrace
Abandoned a half-finished social media
rough sapphire
Bank passwords but they have to be 8 digits long
https://github.com/dumb-password-rules/dumb-password-rules/blob/master/screenshots/bank-millennium.png
rough sapphire
johops.dev
vestal briar
Need to patent it before comcast do
rough sapphire
startup names be like
Ok now this one is sad
so you are saying that pizzahut uses sql to store passwords?
"Hey uhh you need to change your password because you forgot? Well I need you to enter your password so we know it's you"
vestal briar
@rough sapphire Thats usually how account databases work, yes
Doubt this passes anti-terrorism regulations
Someone can easily break into anyones account and print off a ticket anonymously
Unless they have a special id system at the airport, not going to be very good
rough sapphire
hmm
vestal briar
Plus a ton of bank accounts can be broken into in 999999 tries at most
rough sapphire
oh god
they have everything wrong and nothing right
3 or more same characters? That's in some people's names!
only 16 max?
vestal briar
That'd be 3.6 * 10^11 for 10 chars at max?
rough sapphire
no special characters?!
that sounds like alot
but probably isn't
unless they hash passwords for 60 seconds
rough sapphire
really?
rough sapphire
ok thats alot more
vestal briar
Depends what hash they use
But it is still sort of a lot
An 8 character password with all basic english ascii is 67675234241018880vs 03656158440062976
frosty berry
@tame terrace i actually use pass for scripts in which i need to use passwords, like mail fetchers, i used to use a combination of gpg and jq to extract from a crypted json file, but i'm glad to rely on something more established. For passwords, yes, i make them long, and i usually make them something that the website or domain reminds me of easily, but not too specific either, i still sometime forget them, and reset them, and i'm fine with that, i use 2FA as much as possible too. But yeah, i've learned of relatives using their birthday as password and i understand for them a password manager is totally an improvement.
rough sapphire
that font triggers me
who the hell uses a proportional font for code
i am on mobile .
rough sapphire
vestal briar
Is it your phone not loading fonts properly?
solid pollen
Nice christmas hat @rough sapphire !
rough sapphire
its chrome i think
vestal briar
?
gentle moss
i like the hat but i feel it'd be unfair to maintain the use of the hat without representing other non-santa demographics
rough sapphire
hi, can somebody just @ me real quick in here? I want to see if i configured the notifications correctly (discord noob here)
frosty berry
@rough sapphire
rough sapphire
thanks
gentle moss
merry and eowyn should've totally got together
faramir isn't man enough for her
time to boil potatoes
worn kite
frosty berry
sorry, it was
rough sapphire
@gentle moss those sound like names from the Witcher
gentle moss
lotr
jagged fog
once you've read it watch it, then read it again, then wath it again.. repeat
warm hawk
I stopped reading in middle of Two Towers, the hobbits journey was killing me
vapid bluff
ok so, i tried switching to duckduckgo for a while
but it just... sucks
google's results are more consistently on point and relevant
it's very very good at inferring what you might be looking for
not just what you're literally looking for
rough sapphire
this is my experience as well unfortunately
my gf has still kept using it after i gave up though
still does, i think
frosty berry
i guess i usually know enough what i'm looking for for ddg to do the job
rarely feel the need to reach for google
rough sapphire
a good trait to have
you'll find most women find men who know what they want
irresistible
frosty berry
i can't condone of this message
i usually know what i want of a search engine
it's not true in a more general sense
frosty berry
and i do believe the ability to ponder and listen to various points of view, despite making it harder to define a goal, is better than just knowing what you want
rough sapphire
i wish Rowan Atkinson do more Mr. Bean episode. i am watching same episode for tooooooo long now
gentle moss
check out "Not the Nine O'Clock News" and "Black Adder"
neither are Mr. Bean, but he's a central comedic actor in both
although Season 1 of Blackadder is awful
you can start on S2 and it's fine
undone berry
Season one of Blackadder is fine
Brian Blessed is in it
pretty much everything with him is at least fine
Rowan Atkinson Live is also pretty great
gentle moss
i mean it's really not on the same level of strength of the other 3
they weren't sure what they were doing with the character or the show in general
Blackadder came off as an awful snivelling little shit
undone berry
True - it is pretty out of character compared to the rest of the show
Last season has got to be the best season I think
gentle moss
i think it's more poignant because it's a set in a recent period of time we're acquainted with
undone berry
Yeah, the history of the others I'm only vaguely familiar with, but I know a lot more about WW1
gentle moss
the WW1 one was a lot more sardonic just because we're more aware of the matter
and it's so close in history
the others were pure lols
if that makes sense
gentle moss
@undone berry
ever watch the Cunk stuff?
Philomena Cunk.
she was in some Charlie Brooker stuff, but she's got some of her own shit now
there's a mini-series on iplayer atm
gentle moss
you seen the earlier stuff?
i'm watching the new series atm and it's not grand
better than shite though
one of my favourites
a line cracked me up from the new shorts though
on boris winning the election: "it'll probably be fine. he'll look after us like he would his own children."
gentle moss
https://www.twitch.tv/beehivekay/ - me and the GF are writing a quick blues tune.
elder owl
rough sapphire
discord allow to host .exe files ?
vestal briar
Yes but why would you be putting exe files up?
rough sapphire
sand goblet
You can upload whatever files you want, yes
tame terrace
well, not here
we have antimalware filters for actual uploads
although they don't work for URLs right now, there's an issue up to fix that in the near future.
rough sapphire
I finally saw lemon being offline , now i can die in peace
solid pollen
You forgot the beard
solid pollen
OOOHHHH YEAAAHHH
solid pollen
He is lemon
stark prawn
Let's not discuss the 3rd possibility
rough sapphire
no really he is not online since then
rough sapphire
oh forgot you guys celebrate christmas
solid pollen
Oh, I know, just wanted to make sure he's not dead ๐
rough sapphire
vestal briar
.ban
oak tangle
Seasonalbot doesn't have moderation commands
gentle moss
lemon aided lemonade
rancid palm
@woven sage why did you block me
rough sapphire
now i'm trying to figure out how to allow external traffic to specific ports on internal vms through an http load balancer..
sacred shale
What are the best languages to learn nowadays?
undone berry
Python, Javascript, Golang, Kotlin, Dart, Ruby and more are all hip languages
But as to best
It depends on what your goal is
undone berry
Companies are really wary about bringing new people near their mainframe infrastructure
So whilst they need cobol people
They arent looking for college grads
sacred shale
My plan is to become a cyber security expert
But im attending an engineering faculty for now
What would be help to engineers?
undone berry
Python, matlab and r is my guess
Possibly c and or java
sacred shale
Is matlab a language?
I have seen lecturers using it but i thought its a software bundle..
rough sapphire
MATLABยฎ๏ธ combines a desktop environment tuned for iterative analysis and design processes with a programming language that expresses matrix and array mathematics directly. It includes the Live Editor for creating scripts that combine code, output, and formatted text in an executable notebook.```Currently im following some python tutorials
And ill learn matlab and kotlin then thnx guys
dry zenith
if you're going to learn anything of the sort, learn mathematica
matlab is pretty locked in to the engineering niche and even there it's fighting a losing battle against open source
sacred shale
Thnx ill search them too
sly swift
how is going brothers
vestal briar
Oh no
wide tapir
@terse sluice ?
terse sluice
rough sapphire
@sand goblet how are you anyways
sand goblet
Yeah
I heard we have croissants for breakfast though so I'm trying to get downstairs myself haha
sand goblet
I ate a bit too much as well
Although the cheesecake is what got me
It was full of amaretto
I've never tasted a dessert more alcoholic
rough sapphire
so, I've always wondered. I'm not a huge fan of cakes at all, so this might sound ignorant, but
sand goblet
Grandma, who made it, couldn't taste it at all
rough sapphire
is cheesecake sweet or savory?
rough sapphire
but yet it has cheese
sand goblet
It's cream cheese rather than, you know, cheddar
rough sapphire
ah okay
plucky lily
I love cheesecake
sand goblet
Some of them don't even need baking
It's great, yeah
It's also a pretty simple thing to make
You should make one sometime
rough sapphire
I'm.. really not into cake at all
sand goblet
It doesn't really eat like a cake
rough sapphire
only cake I've eaten and actually sorta enjoyed is chocolate cake
cheese is the best!
sand goblet
Basically the base is crushed up digestive biscuits mixed with butter
plucky lily
Ehh I donโt like cheese honestly
sand goblet
Which you fridge until it's hard
plucky lily
Does cheesecake actually use cheese tho
sand goblet
And then you mix up the cheese mixture and top it with that, and fridge it until that's hard
plucky lily
Always wondered
plucky lily
You ever have Taco Bell?
They have the best cheese in their chicken quesadillas
On god
rough sapphire
never eaten a taco in my life
plucky lily
Youโre missing out
rough sapphire
never eaten a taco in my life (2)
it seems messy, how are you supposed to eat it without it crumbling into bits
plucky lily
I eat mine with a fork and a knife
rough sapphire
i don't even know what it looks like
I've seen someone eat a taco
never had one myself
plucky lily
That sucks
sand goblet
That's just part of the experience
rough sapphire
also in asia
plucky lily
Yeah thatโs why I eat tacos with a fork and a knife
rough sapphire
never heard asian produce taco
plucky lily
Same with pizza
rough sapphire
we recently got our first KFC in estonia, the queue on the first day was HUUGE
sand goblet
You can get soft tacos but it isn't the same
rough sapphire
people from different towns came together
rough sapphire
yeah I don't see the appeal
plucky lily
Or@homemade
rough sapphire
don't think chick fil-a is a thing in Europe, again
rough sapphire
am i the only asian here?
rough sapphire
i eat estonian food, dunno
plucky lily
Never heard of it tbh
rough sapphire
Estonia?
plucky lily
Yeah lol
rough sapphire
like, the country?
plucky lily
Is it near Russia
rough sapphire
asian is different =DD
plucky lily
rough sapphire
but yeah @plucky lily I've heard that geography isn't really taught in the states so I'm not surprised
plucky lily
On the USA ?
rough sapphire
yes
plucky lily
Thatโs kinda strange
rough sapphire
all continents
plucky lily
Never had a test in the EU
rough sapphire
that's what I'm saying
sand goblet
We had that test too
plucky lily
Well yeah continents
rough sapphire
no, as in
plucky lily
But not every single county in Europe
rough sapphire
you had to arbitrarily point to the countries or states you were asked
plucky lily
We actually might have but I didnโt remember
rough sapphire
we also had to learn the capitals for each of them
sand goblet
How many countries are in Africa?
A lot of people in the States think Africa is a country for some reason
rough sapphire
each continent was a separate subject
plucky lily
Sounds super pointless
rough sapphire
@plucky lily sounds super ignorant
sand goblet
I mean, it kind of is, but it's still nice to know
plucky lily
Yeah ... lol
rough sapphire
don't see how knowing about the earth you're on is "pointless" but ok
sand goblet
I don't know the US states
But I bet you don't know the Irish counties and provinces
rough sapphire
we also had to study the bigger rivers and other bodies of water
plucky lily
Doesnโt really matter to some people tho
rough sapphire
and mountain ranges
rough sapphire
can't say I remember too much of it though, was ages ago
sand goblet
But the information hasn't been useful so I don't remember it anymore
rough sapphire
yep
sand goblet
History was stupid though
Because most of it wasn't actual history
Just Irish myths
rough sapphire
our history was pretty good
plucky lily
Love history
rough sapphire
but estonia has had a pretty graphic history anyways
sand goblet
Well, yep, being situated where you are
plucky lily
History is actually important
sand goblet
It's important but it also didn't really interest me
I dropped history when I could
I can't learn from a book
sand goblet
We covered that, as well as the Irish famine and civil wars, plus a ton of American history for some reason
Still not sure why that was in there
plucky lily
No idea
sand goblet
There was a bunch of French history in there as well
rough sapphire
yes, we had to learn american and french history as well
that was the more uninteresting part of history
plucky lily
French history sounds so boring
robust sierra
the only time i enjoyed history was when we were learning about the crusades
rough sapphire
DEUS VULT
gentle moss
i didn't have to learn any history
i chose to learn it
i mean if you're going to repeat mistakes you might as well know which ones you're repeating
undone berry
I feel like studying history in school is pretty different to studying it for a hobby. Gcse history was pretty turd despite covering potentially interesting periods
gentle moss
they also miss out, you know, all the important shit that people kinda wanna cover up
undone berry
I dunno. Ww2, ww1, Russian revolution
All were potentially covered
Modern US history iirc
Main stuff that was missing was Ireland
And all the evil shit the US has done
gentle moss
oh i mean the proper evil shit
especially english / british history
opium wars, starving the irish, the abuse we did to several hundred million indians
the way we used to beat welsh children in school if they spoke welsh
the fact we murdered 400,000 pet dogs / cats before WW2 even started because "it's for the best"
you know, the bits of history it's best not to forget
ripe knot
vestal briar
:sandal:```Looks like: ๐ก and \:sandal:Looks like \๐ก
Found a little "it's a feature, not a bug!" in discord unicode + emotes ^
edgy magnet
The latter is a legit unicode and you can print it anywhere like
!e py print('Hello, have a ๐ก')
royal lakeBOT
@edgy magnet :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
Hello, have a ๐ก
Yeah but why does it have to be so finicky
If I do `:sandal:` I expect \:sandal: (without backtick) not ๐ก
robust sierra
santa broke the chimney
solid pollen
Too fat.
robust sierra
santa went up in flames and died
vestal briar
santa sounds like he is in my ksp testing facility
gentle moss
if santa's drinking all that milk, brandy and eating all those cookies
dude's definitely over the limit
probably shouldn't be sleighing around
vestal briar
"Hello sir, I am PC Jack Smith from the metropolitan sky patrol"
gentle moss
"Would you please blow into this tube? No, keep blowing... Keep blowing..."
was a great Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch
police pull someone over and ask them to blow into the tube
"no, come on, blow harder"
camera pans and reveals it's hooked up to their flat tyre
gentle moss
that show is full of great gags
rough sapphire
msg that is just how you make (in python u just use print() to make words u do dis in cjh)=>ElementFFO:> I . contand tpy>inner>words><E>>1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,10,q,w,e,r,t,y,u,i,o,p,a,s,d,f,g,h,j,k,l,z,x,c,v,b,n,m,[,],\,;,',.,/,-,=, => print("");
pine vector
so is cjh compiled, or interpreted?
rough sapphire
? what does them 2 mean compiled means IDK interpreted means IDK
pine vector
if cjh is a language, how does it get executed?
pine vector
how does a computer turn what you write into a set of instructions that it completes?
rough sapphire
yes
more han athers it can turn of swith on computers
it can locaterd where people live in\
it can be a mather bord thing so as ram
nimble schooner
:P
rough sapphire
weakness that java script can go easer than it
pine vector
so you wrote the compiler?
rough sapphire
sure
pine vector
lol
rough sapphire
its more off both
pine vector
both? both what?
nimble schooner
The language is unreadable to the normal person, which is basically the point of high level languages...
rough sapphire
nvm
pine vector
compiled & interpreted? that both?
rough sapphire
yes
pine vector
interesting approach.
rough sapphire
@nimble schooner its true im one of them
nimble schooner
Wut
rough sapphire
it took me more than 2 years to make that lang
pine vector
so, how does the motherboard run the interpreter?
rough sapphire
its good enough
u will never get it just lets talk about what it can do
it can do dis
this is the easest of the easest in cjh lang
pine vector
wow. i won't get it? i mean, i'm no genius, but i think i could understand if you explained it...
rough sapphire
nav +++ cjh.currentNetwork.iddentify/.w,e,r,t,y,,i,op,a,s,d,f,g,gh,j,k,l,lm,n,,b,,,x,z,q,q,//decopy/<<<.>:print as = pring(); thats how you make a word! not a msg
pine vector
so, you're on a QWERTY keyboard, huh?
rough sapphire
ye? it alll wayys dublrdd i need to be carefull XD
pine vector
what language did you write the compiler in?
nimble schooner
I can't believe s/he made a language...
rough sapphire
this is normal c++.netWork sum = + . Nav. Stylrr.rr/du FO::::::::: Me.msg()NONE:'none' ather.msgTRU:::
vapid bluff
got a question about wifi security, if anyone knowledgeable in the subject is lurking
at some point im gonna be using some esp8266 and 32 boards to control some stuff over wifi, as part of a show
how worried should i be about deauth attacks?
both these boards support 802.11n and in doing research, i read about 802.11w which is supposedly part of 802.11n and adds extra protection to management packets, in order to prevent such an attack
so will i be fine as long as im using 802.11n?
or is it one of those implementation dependent things that some vendors can just overlook
short of trying to attack the network myself, how can i check?
plucky ridge
@gentle moss You around?
Was it you who I was talking with when I was discussing wiping a bunch of old hard drives?
terse sluice
plucky ridge
Thanks f1re. I apologize for my blatant laziness, I'm still pretty sick
solid pollen
_Happy holidays! _
terse sluice
np hahah dw about it
gentle moss
yes, hey hem
solid pollen
You were on the naughty list apparently hemlock 
plucky ridge
That doesn't surprise me. But instead of coal Santa apparently had autocorrect and gave me a cold instead
And in his eternal kindness, gave it to me earlier than expected
terse sluice
earlier than expected?
plucky ridge
I've been sick since Sunday
You would expect if he was delivering bioweapons he'd at least do it on Christmas
gentle moss
what was up hemmy?
plucky ridge
I couldn't remember what the on drive method of erasing a drive was called or how to do it
Looking like hdparm is going to be the easiest way?
And I guess if I wanted to wipe multiple disks at a time I could just have multiple terminal windows open
gentle moss
yeah
it's called secure erase but if you're having to delete to a spec then you might not be able to rely on the manufacturers implementation
plucky ridge
According to the IRS, Secure Erase is a viable option
So makes the most sense to do that
And will take much less time than wiping to DoD spec
gentle moss
nice
plucky ridge
Damn shy faster than what I was doing previously. And this time I have twice as many to wipe so I'm thankful
gentle moss
you're welcome ๐
gentle moss
DoD and MoD spec deletion is insanely time consuming
and quite frankly way over the top
plucky ridge
Especially when you're doing DoD long and not short
Plus the validation stages
Anyone know if the Linux Live USB Creator is any good? https://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/home
solid pollen
Which distro do you want?
pine vector
Degaussing isn't that time consuming... ๐
plucky ridge
Pfff
gentle moss
any iso will do
lubuntu would be a smaller download than ubuntu
i believe it also has a live cd option
plucky ridge
Already had an iso of Manjaro on this machine
Might as well go with what I'm familiar with
gentle moss
๐
the miss made a ham
i used the skin to make a jerky type snack
slow boiled in cola with onion, star anise, some other magic
terse sluice
mmm that looks so good
plucky ridge
Teehee
gentle moss
then a mustard, honey, brown sugar, etc, rub
plucky ridge
Anise
gentle moss
the skin thing i was just winging it because she was gonna just bin it
figured there was a use for it
i'm reducing some of the cola boil mix to make a sauce atm
plucky ridge
To assist with making burn victims delicious
gentle moss
tbh when it came off the boiled joint before it went into the oven it looked a bit like leather face
undone berry
Can't stand anise
sand goblet
you're not a fan of chinese food then, I take it
undone berry
Not a huge fan no
sand goblet
That's fair
plucky ridge
Or root beer
undone berry
I don't think I've had root beer
sand goblet
I thought that was just ginger
undone berry
Ginger beer and root beer are different right?
gentle moss
i don't like either
pine vector
root beer...star anise? reads wiki. ahh...guess so. i though it was just mainly sassafrass. TIL
gentle moss
the star anise was just for the liquid for boiling the ham
gentle moss
it's like a fracas but sassier
sand goblet
apparently it's some kind of tree
gentle moss
"you see those two last night? an utter sassafrass"
undone berry
Isn't a fracas already pretty sassy?
gentle moss
nah
pine vector
only when in Caracas...
sand goblet
Sassafras roots are used to make traditional root beer, although they were banned for commercially mass-produced foods and drugs by the FDA in 1960
Laboratory animals that were given oral doses of sassafras tea or sassafras oil that contained large doses of safrole developed permanent liver damage or various types of cancer.
gentle moss
classic red tape
sand goblet
yikes
gentle moss
stopping us getting liver damage
sand goblet
Most commercial root beers have replaced the sassafras extract with methyl salicylate, the ester found in wintergreen and black birch (Betula lenta) bark.
gentle moss
to be fair Piers
the FDA is slow as fuck and rarely bans stuff until people start dying and shit
sand goblet
apparently they often use sarsaparilla (smilax ornata), which is a prickly vine
for a different flavour
apparently it can also be used to treat syphilis
pine vector
yep. sasparilla has a detectable different taste. well, to those of us who enjoy root beers.
undone berry
Isn't sunset sasaparilla from fallout new Vegas?
undone berry
Yeah I realised
Just that's where I know it from
And I assume the sunset brand isn't real?
plucky ridge
Unsure
pine vector
it was a "Western" thing, iirc. prob because of lack of available Sassafras trees?
plucky ridge
Correct.
undone berry
Also. Sounds like the extracted oil was harmful, whereas the whole root was used for root beer
pine vector
yep. Birch is much sweeter.
sand goblet
the root is high in the oil
gentle moss
okay so i reduced the cola mixture and it turns out i've just made a weirdly strong bbq sauce
idk what to do with this
plucky ridge
Chug! Chug! Chug!
gentle moss
it was an experiment so i didn't make much
like 1L of liquid turned into 100ml of sauce
vestal briar
@vapid bluff
vapid bluff
oh cool
thanks
i dont except many computer savvy people to be in the audience
but just wanna make sure all the bases are covered in case some troll shows up
vapid bluff
but im not sure if it's mandatory or the vendor chooses to implement it or what
gentle moss
i think it might be one of those things that depends on the era
802.11ac i'm pretty sure does
since any ac chip is 100% going to be newer than an n chip
vapid bluff
restricted to b/g/n in this case unfortunately
tl;dr controlling stuff with esp8266/32s
gentle moss
seems like the 32's were made in 2016
they should incorporate w
ah
apparently they do not
vapid bluff
ill try turning one of the 8266s into a deauther and run some experiments
plucky ridge
In his honor we shall clap 5 times really quickly
gentle moss
i guess no one told her life was gonna be this way
๐๐๐๐
it's 4 claps, hemmy, 4.
and she's a she.
rugged geyser
ok
so the question here is what is a good language to use for creating apps across all platforms
I don't want to have to take time to learn several different ones for each platform
ive seen people say that dart and flutter is one that might do the trick
plucky ridge
Really depends on what kind of application it needs to be
Dart does seem like an appealing choice, yeah
I honestly haven't looked much into it
But I believe regardless of what language you use, you're going to have some growing pains when you're wanting something to cover multiple platforms
The more platforms you expect to use, the more headache it becomes
rugged geyser
I've only ever used python and python specifically for data analysis, so moving into creating apps is pretty new to me
@plucky ridge yeah that would make sense, I think if I stuck with web, android and ios for now
it would be easier to focus on
plucky ridge
Well for nearly anything web, Java Script is still the way to go. Although with the growth of WebAssembly, it'll be interesting to see what other players come to the field
rugged geyser
java script seems like a pain to learn
plucky ridge
Eh
It's not so bad
Although you might want to do TypeScript instead
Helps deal with some of the common pitfalls that happen in JS
rugged geyser
@plucky ridge ah alright so typecript would so the job then
how would a stack look like then
plucky ridge
I mean... I honestly don't know the proper answer to all that. I've personally never done any coding for Android other than in a little Java and Kotlin, I haven't touched anything Apple, and I only dabbled in TypeScript and JavaScript. TypeScript is just a superset of JavaScript, and would compile down to JavaScript. Any advice I give you on this topic is pretty much going to just be a whole lot of guessing