it will actually break everything
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
plucky ridge
ne whost name
gentle moss
i should just resign myself to this
sand goblet
if that file actually exists, then you can edit it
if it doesn't, then just use the hostname command
grave phoenix
the arch wiki says you have to edit /etc/hostname
gentle moss
does hostname actually update /etc/hosts?
gentle moss
reading upside down is surprisingly easy
although figuring out which arrow key to press to track back is a bit confusing
rough sapphire
maybe we all are looking upside down , but brain correct it itself and we don't notice it
pine vector
hostname's manpage says this:
FILES top
/etc/hostname /etc/hosts /etc/host.conf
router and raspberry are handy
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Well you're half right
sand goblet
yeah that's literally how eyesight works
gentle moss
pinhole camera blah blah
plucky ridge
Interestingly enough, you can force your eyesight to swap back
rough sapphire
How ?
plucky ridge
Takes I think... either weeks or months
rough sapphire
I wanna
plucky ridge
You wear glasses that flip the image again
gentle moss
they make glasses that flip your vision
pine vector
goodbye, spatial awareness. 😄
grave phoenix
i didn't know it was possible
rough sapphire
ahh i know that video
gentle moss
the brain is very squishy
plucky ridge
Yep, and after a while, your brain will think "Well shit, I guess we should fix this"
grave phoenix
🧠
gentle moss
it's funny
rough sapphire
and weird
pine vector
its still the best difference engine we know of.
plucky ridge
Although...
gentle moss
like that guy who had a bike that the pedals went the wrong way
plucky ridge
It makes me wonder
gentle moss
took him ages to relearn how to ride a bike
then afterwards couldn't ride a normal bike
rough sapphire
you mean verstatium?
grave phoenix
that explains when i accidentally flip my camera in a game and suddenly it's just natural
plucky ridge
Would it be.... brain_flip(upsidedown_sight) going to brain_flip(glasses_flip(brain_flip(upsidedown_image))) or would it just remove the initial flip all together
gentle moss
haha
rough sapphire
plucky ridge
So it'd be glasses_flip(upsidedown_image)
rough sapphire
no its steer opposite
pine vector
brain_eye_tunnel(image.double_kick_flip())?
plucky ridge
You forgot the mctwist
gentle moss
just turn your eyeballs upside down
plucky ridge
Doo-dah doo-dah
gentle moss
hah
plucky ridge
You hear it too don't you
gentle moss
yeah
pine vector
escapes unscathed
grave phoenix
hear what
plucky ridge
🎶 Turn your eyeballs upside down / Doo-dah doo-dah 🎶
grave phoenix
im listening to beloved tomboyish girl so idk
plucky ridge
To the tune of "Camp Town Lady"
grave phoenix
kek
plucky ridge
Oh that'd be an interesting privacy filter
pine vector
its close, but my teenage years were not kind to my brain cells
plucky ridge
Using upside down glasses and flipping your screen
plucky ridge
Saw that
gentle moss
would it make you better at reading upside down?
grave phoenix
plus those thingy that makes your white screen go visible
pine vector
gentle moss
i mean the screen would be the right way up to you, but the world would be upside down
so how would your brain adapt?
sand goblet
you take the glasses off when you aren't looking at the screen
solid pollen
Yay internet is back.. or not
grave phoenix
or yes
gentle moss
or perhaps
solid pollen
Well, school network is down
And two people are paid to maintain it
Last time I asked them to fix my iPad, they didn't find the problem, I had to do it myself
note that the problem came from them
solid pollen
https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-most-copied-stackoverflow-java-code-snippet-contains-a-bug/ interesting
plucky ridge
Oh good. I now have a printer box full of CD's and 3 1/2" floppies to destroy
Gotta love that
vestal briar
Huh, youtube rewind is up
Just co-incidently searched it and it's only been online for 23 hours
Ok so it's a top 10 video of decent youtubers
jagged fog
it wasn't that bad this time
doesn't deserve dislike, but can understand if you don't want to like it
vestal briar
If this was styled in a normal rewind with these youtubers, would be good
Current feels a bit too safe
I mean it's a good top-10 video but not really a youtube rewind
jagged fog
well top 10 in this year no
grave phoenix
well, it's just a copy paste of some videos and numbers
they clearly didn't put any effort this year
jagged fog
rough sapphire
it's literally generated by an AI
the same AI that makes those automatic Google Photos collages and montages
I swear
violet wadi
people are never happy
orchid summit
I'm not happy learning javascript 😦
rotund crown
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rough sapphire
is this..?
gentle moss
it is.
edgy magnet
I'm starting to think they have a whitelist instead of a definition of what's harmful
gentle moss
Threat Name: Other: Malware-gen [Trj]
HTML: Microsoft-B [Phish]
it's a html file
"Object is infected with a virus or trojan"
reallllly?
what'd be nice is a bit more information about wtf this temporary html file was and where it came from
rather than just "we put dfuighjjUILJHDKLSGHjkgnsdlhyuFJHasJ236276.HTM in the virus vault"
i assume it was a microsoft office 365 phishing page or something
solid pollen
I'm watching a movie at the cinema in the third row of seat nearest to the screen
Hurt the eyes a bit haha
gentle moss
why are you on your phone in the cinema?
solid pollen
I agree haha
solid pollen
Maybe :)
grave phoenix
🤷♂️
vestal briar
I wonder if the military is testing a halo-like ar full face helmet
golden walrus
that's... very specific
vestal briar
Integrated tactical face massage
I mean they have been tested in the air force for ar piloting
They must have at one point, like a permanent armoured gas mask
grave phoenix
Exoskeletons when
undone berry
I'm pretty sure I've heard stories about military AR stuff like that
vestal briar
Looks like it is wanted in the millitary but because of cooling in desert climates, not gona happen
rough sapphire
Can someone suggest me some hack terms like
these .
hack_terms =[
"Got Epic Games Login \nUser - (censored) \nPass-(censored)",
"Deploying multi viruses",
"Got access to browser history",
"Found P in History",
"Deploying a back door",
"Hack status 90%",
"Blowing up the processor",
"Downloading RAM"
]
-bypassing fortnite anti cheat
-minecraft aimbot injected
-purchasing winrar
-forced all editors into light mode
-stealing your bitcoins
-lowering KDA in CoD
-force screen resolution to lock at 640x480 using windows 95 theme
``` something meme like that?Gibson: SABOTAGED
autumn herald
purchasing winrar
vestal briar
borrowing a strangers car forever
vestal briar
For one book I have 4 years
Didn't realise until a year later and now I can't physically return it
tired osprey
guys it has happened
Due to my usage of Xorg without ctrl + c / ctrl + v i have mislearned how to copy paste
on windows that is
robust sierra
just remembered i borrowed a book in year 9 that i have to return thanks @vestal briar
undone berry
I returned a book I borrowed in year 7 when I was in year 13. At the time I had a £1200 late fee
rough sapphire
So you paid it ? @undone berry
undone berry
No. The librarian just waived it
tired osprey
uhu
vestal briar
No
vestal briar
In 1/3 of timezones it's monday
solid pollen
What service do you usually use to upload image on GitHub?
sand goblet
Git
solid pollen
Git?
sand goblet
use git to upload images to github
solid pollen
Like.. you put it on a repo, or there is a specific git service?
sand goblet
well if we're talking about uploading to github then we mean repos, yeah
solid pollen
Oh yeah, I meant, to reply to an issue
sand goblet
Oh, you just drag the image into the comment box
solid pollen
Yeah just saw that, thanks!
gusty isle
ye so
rough sapphire
if you mean "pipi jelo pimeja nasa" then that's toki pona
gusty isle
aaaaaaaaaah
touch our dish of prime is what is translates to lmao
in croatian
im not but.....
@rough sapphire can you help me out back in help 5
rough sapphire
i had no idea it meant anything in croatian
gusty isle
lol
rough sapphire
and yes, just post something in one of the help channels and someone will help you
gusty isle
@rough sapphire its been there for a few hours
rough sapphire
oh this?
gusty isle
yeah
sand goblet
#data-science-and-ml has more types that are into that sort of thing
gusty isle
ok
rough sapphire
we don't know anything about pytorch but yeah i guess if you just post it again or put it in #data-science-and-ml someone will be able to help
gusty isle
but needed help so... kinda assumed to go to help....
anyway thx
O my freak i just put it in computer science...................uhhhhhhhh
sand goblet
well, you can delete and edit messages, so
rough sapphire
"pipi jelo pimeja nasa" actually means "weird bee"
sand goblet
rough sapphire
the mail server itself is working fine
I just for the life of me can't understand why spamassassin + sieve + dovecot isn't working
nothing seems to be reporting errors but the thing just doesn't work
at least, nothing happens to the spam test string I send myself
granite plover
Hey guys! is there any channel here for Learning?
solid pollen
Learning? Learning what? Machine learning?
solid pollen
If you have general questions about python you can ask in #python-discussion or in one of the help channel
!resources here is a great list of resources to get you started
royal lakeBOT
solid pollen
my personal advice is automate the boring stuff with python
granite plover
it's a book, right?
solid pollen
Yep, the web version is free too
granite plover
the very basic i'm aware of, but i'm struggling with libraries
but i'll real this book
thanks for the advice!
fossil solar
this message come out of no where, no common server. What to do now?
solid pollen
Report the account probably
edgy magnet
Report and block it
vapid bluff
do you have dms open to everyone?
vapid bluff
oh does discord even have the option to allow DMs from everyone?
maybe im thinking of twitter.
plucky ridge
Okay, I have to ask, Ice
gentle moss
looks more like a rodent
fossil solar
its a discordish
plucky ridge
I genuinely can't tell
fossil solar
its team fortress 2 server
gentle moss
okay both way off
plucky ridge
Ahhh
fossil solar
solid pollen
The orange thingy?
fossil solar
green?
gentle moss
orange
solid pollen
looks like a boat
fossil solar
orange is boat
plucky ridge
gentle moss
OH
plucky ridge
Oooooooo
gentle moss
i see it now
plucky ridge
No, I see it now
solid pollen
That was clearly a boat guys!
fossil solar
wat?
gentle moss
i assumed it was profile
fossil solar
whats wrong with that server
plucky ridge
A sideview of a chicken, yeah
Nothing's wrong with it, I just couldn't make out what the icon was
fossil solar
its a battleship -_-
plucky ridge
Okay, back in a tick
sand goblet
it does look fairly animalistic
solid pollen
Okay, if you are ten meters away, in the dark, it could somehow looks a bit animalistic
And you’re blind
fossil solar
its also related to an anime
rough sapphire
if you're blind it wouldn't look like anything
solid pollen
Half blind?
gentle moss
it's well known that during World War 2 the allies repeatedly bombed chicken coops after misidentifying them as 15,000 ton battle cruisers
fossil solar
watched the movie Midway?
plucky ridge
"Sir why would a battleship be in the middle of the countryside? Right next to a farm house?"
"Fuck if I know, bomb it anyway!"
gentle moss
"holy shit it must be huge! no matter how close we get it never seems to get bigger!"
fossil solar
what are yall upto
plucky ridge
Slowly waking up
gentle moss
"Sir... that's uhh... that's a chicken."
"never trust the enemy, their camouflage is deceptive"
solid pollen
I want a new OT name
fossil solar
whats OT
gentle moss
overtime
solid pollen
Off topic
plucky ridge
Optical Tigers
edgy magnet
Hmm, we should implement a command to get random names out of the current otn pool
Lots of hidden goodies in there haha
plucky ridge
Oh just to grab an assortment to view or do you mean to rename the current OT channel?
edgy magnet
Yep, since most if not all otn names are pretty funny
It'll be a simple query and output
Quick, open an issue!
plucky ridge
Some are a bit more obtuse than others, since some of them are inside jokes of the staff
gentle moss
ot names are meta
sand goblet
a lot of the OT names are too obtuse for users though I think
that's why I suggested a while back maybe adding a short explanation or something and dropping it into the channel topic
gentle moss
oh man
docstrings for OT names
that'd be better than a random list
an explainer for each OT name
sand goblet
the only problem is there's like 300 of them
maybe it'd need to be paired with !explain to add one for the current channel
gentle moss
well i'm sure a single sentence explaination wouldn't take long if the list was open on github
solid pollen
I think the lack of explanation is part of the fun
gentle moss
not when you have to explain them over and over
solid pollen
They don't want to open the list so..
#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval I think it is funnier without the explanation
gentle moss
i remember when everyone was a lemon and i refused to lemon
plucky ridge
That was a good April fools prank
sand goblet
It was good, yeah
solid pollen
I remember that I was confused, because the prank started at 10PM on March 31st
solid pollen
Aaannnddd people are still spamming the school mailing list
Great.
Aaaannnddd code server doesn’t compile on my pi, and I don’t get any specific error
what a great day
sand goblet
it's a shame code-server isn't on the aur
oh wait
I think it actually does require x64 though
solid pollen
They don’t build it for arm yet, you have to build it from source
rough sapphire
code-server arm is wip
the node package builder doesn't work for arm
you need to patch it
solid pollen
You need to patch it? Apparently just building it without packaging it is enough, right?
rough sapphire
I don't run Arch on my server
nor does my server run on arm :p
it was for me phone
so i could run code locally
solid pollen
For................ your phone?
rough sapphire
yes.
gentle moss
"mine's fine what you complaining about?"
solid pollen
You have built it for arm bisk?
solid pollen
Oh please, no more wood, my father have grown a passion for it lately, I’m tired of wood
sand goblet
I think you're missing a comma
rough sapphire
which project
rough sapphire
ah cool
solid pollen
Missing a comma?
rough sapphire
no, more wood
sand goblet
haha
solid pollen
Oh haha
gentle moss
oh lord
sand goblet
hey hax, are you still drunk?
gentle moss
[15:32] gdude: come to think of it, how's that project going?
rough sapphire
yes
sand goblet
I am impressed
gentle moss
i'm still umming and ahhing over the holes
rough sapphire
i'm in the cycle
gentle moss
the frame is looking good though
gentle moss
was going to do more today but the kitchen is a pile of washing up
sand goblet
Oh, uh, did you have any response to that DM session, hax?
rough sapphire
not at the moment, i did write down a few questions i had for you but saved them for later when i'm not this busy
rough sapphire
yeah sorry
i was on the shitter at the pub i was at that time, which is why i had some time to chit chat and left so abruptly
sand goblet
Haha, okay, fair enough
rough sapphire
https://i.imgur.com/fSfO8x6.jpg when your gun's so big it doesn't fit on your screen...
also literally fills up 1/4th of my screen when held https://i.imgur.com/GHdPUXu.jpg
@rough sapphire You don't have a jetpack?
Also, that gun is trash
a jetpack?
Yeah.
Jetpack
a pack of Jet?
No. The thing you put on your back and go up
they have that in fo4?
upgrade for the powerarmor
its awesome
Yeah
you need to have all the crafting perks though
like science and armor
yeah i'm not quite there yet, level-wise
its pretty late game
i've go science and gunsmith maxed out
Ah, first time playing?
and armorer i think
no, it's just a new save
yeah i think its science and armorer you need
I mean, at least it isn't 76.
that's a low bar
jetpack applied
let's take this bad boy for a ride
4 is great, but after a while it just gets boring
if you havent seen it
pretty entertaining
Got my settlements up to just farm water for me
ezpz way to make money
yeah i avoid making water just because its so OP
you can make ton off bottled water
Would hop on and I'd have 7,000+ caps waiting for me, every time.
My Endurance/Agility was pretty high too. Between 8 - 10 for the both of 'em
Stockpile some Jet and you can hop from one building to another in downtown
"I bet I can get to the top of that skyscraper."
"PFFFFFFTTTT Yeah right"
okay, the jet pack is pretty cool
i wish i could use it for a bit longer though
Yeah, that's what Endurance/Agility + Jet is for
You can actually get it to the point where you can go from the ground up to the BoS airship
||I personally think the Brotherhood is useless, especially considering you see just how horrible they actually are with the outcasts in 3. The non-outcasts in 3 were outliers, and not what the BoS is actually about.||
BoS is trash
Speaking of, did you hear about the passing of the voice actor of Mr. House yesterday?
i go railroad every time to please my qt waifu Piper
aw no I haven't
Yeah, that happened.
Rene Auberjonois
at least he died at a very respectable age
guess it was just his time to go
Great voice actor
Made the character.
"You needn't be afraid of me. It's my Securitrons that are going to kill you."
agreed
vestal briar
The droneth has arrivedeth
Time to strap some electronics to it and say we've finished the school project
terse sluice
wow what kind of school project is this?
jagged fog
warflying 
vestal briar
Yep (it does a little more then that though)
I checked if it's classed as a weapons system and it's not
vestal briar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejh-AByhohs Well, someone's already made an expensive version of what we're doing apparently
rough sapphire
hey
terse heron
So do you understand the concept of hashing and how it works? @rough sapphire
rough sapphire
yes
I don't understand why it's useful for logins
I mean you can just get the salt and get the info back
terse heron
You can only ‘encrypt’, you can’t ‘decrypt’
rough sapphire
Well for non complex passwords it works
terse heron
I use those terms loosely since it’s nothing to do with encryption in reality
But anyway, the idea of a hash is pretty much “encryption but only one way”
rough sapphire
Except there are alot of databases
terse heron
So to see if the input matches the stored password hash, you hash the input and compare the two hashes
rough sapphire
Which check if it's there
terse heron
What do you mean?
rough sapphire
I understand that
terse heron
The chance of having a duplicate hash is also incredibly small (can’t remember exactly what it is)
That number is further shrunk by adding a salt
rough sapphire
Salts.
terse heron
A salt is basically an extra layer of security. Not only does the ‘hacker’ have to brute-force the hash, they have to find the salt
Without the salt, it’s impossible to get the hash
rough sapphire
Yes I know about salts
terse heron
Now you could brute force the salt, assuming you knew how the company generated their salts, and then brute force the hash, assuming you know what hashing algorithm the company uses
But the amount of time it would take is more time than it’s generally worth
rough sapphire
Yeah but like say they have a login page
terse heron
You retrieve the salt from the database, hash the input with the salt, and then compare the hashed+salted input to the stored hash in the database
rough sapphire
So either you press a button and it hashes it inside the code, in which case you can easily get the salt
Or it hashes it in the server whatever, so you can send unhashed passwords
terse heron
!e ```py
import uuid
import hashlib
salt = str(uuid.uuid4())
password = 'password123'
hash = hashlib.sha512((password + salt).encode()).hexdigest()
print(hash, salt, sep="\n\n")```
royal lakeBOT
@terse heron :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | ecdd27d046af4b597e79fb22d4a52bf4a805292c54d9d1e3392b7657538f5c9e385cf317eedfe428e7b882438876c33ed7bfed38d30f8b9d898b9b61cb268dfb
002 |
003 | 2d5aa8b7-bc3d-4533-b352-514ddb0de529
Those two outputs are what would be stored in the database, along with the username
I think the salt is often stored encrypted, can’t remember though
@rough sapphire
rough sapphire
hm
safe lagoon
👋
vestal briar
Oh this idea.org.uk duke of york thing is for like 7 year olds
ESaftey saying all the wrong things
"Allow microphone to google maps to do voice searches!"
And it's sponsered by a company that you have to say is trusted or you can't complete it
Come on, that's half the fun of the internet
rough sapphire
have you ever met someone in rl that you met online
vestal briar
Nope, all are too far away
Doesn't mean they aren't trusted
Oh and it advertises "Viber" all the way through
rough sapphire
what advertises viber?
vestal briar
This ESaftey course that we're forced to do in cs
rough sapphire
the course advertises viber?
that's strange.. but then viber is owned by an ecommerce major..
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire
have you ever met someone in rl that you met online
my employer
lol
other than that i've avoided them
hey.. that doesn't count
wow.. I've never thought of it that way.. totally using that at parties
i had a chance to meet up with some guys from my discord server when I was in the netherlands
but i'm very anxious so i just said no
yeah.. what if they bury you in a forest or something
i
physical violence isn't what i'm concerned about
or.. have a fox hunt.. with you wearing a fox costume
it's the meeting people aspect
I hear that.. lol I once told a date i'm not coming out for the date because it was raining that day..
but how can you not be worried about being kidnapped
i wish i was important enough to be kidnapped
ransomers could demand like 20 bucks max
in some countries they kidnap for your organs
and in others.. for slavery
vapid bluff
come on dont be so down @rough sapphire youre worth at least 20.1 bucks
rough sapphire
which organs
my destroyed livers or my overworked heart
or my soot-filled lungs
soot? are you by chance a 19th century chimney sweep in london?
what's down there isn't too impressive either
@rough sapphire you could easily mistake me for one
rough sapphire
🤔
sand goblet
Your Facebook photo didn't even have visible eyes
vestal briar
Is this cyberbullying
rough sapphire
wut
i've never had hair which covers my eyes
ever
i don't think it physically even can seeing as it tends to grow upwards
unless i, like, wax it
which is just... no
vestal briar
I'm just thinking of a millitary man polishing his hair now..
rough sapphire
gentle moss
hah
vestal briar
O..k..
solid pollen
Remind me of The Forest
rough sapphire
oh god what is this how did i get here and windows has workspaces now?! https://i.imgur.com/YMWSy5j.png
plucky ridge
Since... 8?
rough sapphire
just shows how little i use windows for anything productive
not a fault of windows per se, just personal preference
really didn't know workspaces was a thing in windows
plucky ridge
I've just never really gotten the hang of multiple workspaces
My brain wants to see everything I have available on the taskbar
I don't want to swap between two different ones
rain spindle
Workspaces is sorta useful
sand goblet
yeah I never found workspaces useful, even on linux
I do use a taskbar tweaker though
so that I can have multiple buttons for apps with multiple windows
rough sapphire
i use i3 so i couldn't imagine life without workspaces
I use >15 workspaces on a regular basis over the three monitors I have
sand goblet
yeah, I think i3 does kind of need something like that
I mean it felt entirely unusable when I tried it, but it'd be even worse with that
solid pollen
A bit totaly late, but the workspaces has been introduced in win10 and time-line in an update later
long sorrel
Is this about discord-python or python in genral?
terse sluice
both
graceful basin
The latter
terse sluice
yeah
long sorrel
fantastic
gentle moss
this bit is about nothing though
terse sluice
there are channels for almost everything here relating to python
gentle moss
however, while being about nothing, it is not about memes.
long sorrel
got it
terse sluice
yeah this is an off-topic channel
gentle moss
and off-topic != meme dump
long sorrel
hence off-topic/general and ot1
long sorrel
you can go to google and buy real human finger bones
plucky ridge
Like as a snack or...
vestal briar
Fashion of course
plucky ridge
They would make cool earrings...
vestal briar
rough sapphire
Hungry? Why wait?
vapid bluff
before windows had workspaces built in there were programs which added them
windows api is surprisingly robust
solid pollen
@sand goblet WE DID IT!
rough sapphire
so guys we did it
rough sapphire
has no clue what this is about
solid pollen
When pydis’ project was on gitlab, there was a PR with more than 100 reviews, but we can’t access gitlab anymore, but luckily we have a new PR with more than 100 reviews on github
rough sapphire
link?
solid pollen
rough sapphire
wait thats me
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire we reached a quarter of a million subscribers
gentle moss
smash that like button and don't forget to subscribe
click the notification bell if you want to be alerted!
vestal briar
NORDVPN AES256 MILLITARY GRADE ENCRYPTION
gentle moss
DASHLANE, NEVER FORGET A PASSWORD AGAIN
sand goblet
dear god dashlane is crap
lastpass and dashlane
literally everything else is better
wooden silo
What's wrong with it?
sand goblet
Dashlane specifically?
wooden silo
Yes
sand goblet
It's slow, some of the features straight up don't work (eg the auto password change thing it has for some sites), importing passwords from other password managers results in HTML entity codes being inserted into passwords (regardless of the client you use)
I haven't used dashlane in like a year and I'm still dealing with < being changed to < in all my passwords
they are aware of this problem, as well - since I reported it to them
wooden silo
I never imported passwords from another password manager, so I never encountered that.
sand goblet
it's also quite expensive
wooden silo
The auto password change thing does work, but not all the time.
sand goblet
dashlane is like $60/year, right?
wooden silo
40
wooden silo
The free plan also doesn't support syncing across devices
sand goblet
I moved to bitwarden a while ago
bitwarden's free plan includes sync and unlimited entries
their paid one can handle your 2FA codes and some other things, and it costs $10/year
wooden silo
Hm, worth considering, I guess.
I can't be arsed to change now, though.
But I'll keep it in mind for when I have more time.
sand goblet
bitwarden also allows you to self-host - if you host bitwarden-rs then you can have the premium features for free
haha
Yeah, that's fair
bitwarden is open source as well
plucky ridge
I've been on bitwarden since you mentioned it a while back
Been working quite well for me thus far
sand goblet
I'm pretty happy with it
the TOTP support is very convenient
Well hey, you could export your passwords, move them to bitwarden, and get something easier, cheaper, with more features, and less security controversy
Lastpass is free but there are limitations
Bitwarden does also have a free plan, haha
plucky ridge
I just like having my stuff synced between my browsers and my phone
sand goblet
I have more than two devices I need sync for
No
that looks like the free team plan though
not the personal plan
Yeah, it seems like the free plans mostly match
however, if you did decide to go premium
solid pollen
Is it a password manager or something?
sand goblet
you'd be paying $10/year rather than €3/mo
yes
€3/mo is around $40/year if you're wondering
(euro's a bit stronger)
I like the TOTP support
It can handle your 2FA codes for sites
so you have it fill in your login and it automatically copies the 2FA code for you to paste
solid pollen
Or Google could work as a password manager 
sand goblet
google's password management and 2fa setups are kind of crap to be honest
Yes that's the same thing
TOTP refers to the technology
timed one time passcode
yeah
solid pollen
The 2FA of Google works
solid pollen
Okay yeah
sand goblet
if you're doing 2fa outside of your password manager then at least use a decent authenticator
I like Authenticator+ on Android
you have to remove 2fa and add it again
solid pollen
Doesn't look that hard https://www.howtogeek.com/425994/how-to-move-google-authenticator-to-a-new-phone-or-multiple-phones/
sand goblet
yes that is exactly what I said
and you're not listening to what I'm saying akarys
we're not talking about google's 2fa implementation, we're talking about their authenticator app
there's no way to just move all of your TOTP tokens
Authenticator+ at least allows you to store an encrypted backup on google drive, etc
and it also supports blizzard's 2fa, which basically nothing else does
yeah, you can't restore it
it's encrypted with a device key
solid pollen
You have a change phone on gauth
sand goblet
yes, that just moves your google 2fa over to a new app
it doesn't move anything else
that's even in the article you linked
solid pollen
It doesn't move the codes?
sand goblet
nope
you'll still have to go to every other site and manually disable 2fa, then turn it on again and add it to your new phone
yes it does
no
don't use authy
that's almost as bad
it's considerably less secure, too
solid pollen
Okay it sucks
sand goblet
authy ties your totp tokens to your phone number
it's pretty easy to intercept the SMS
Authenticator+ on Android
why did that not copy
hang on
neat, it supports iOS too
yeah, it's just + on the device
solid pollen
But.. Can we trust them?
sand goblet
yes?
you don't have the source for google authenticator, do you?
it's an encrypted backup as well
it'll make you put in a passkey
it's a pretty easy format as well if you get yourself a plaintext copy
which you can do
I used that to add them to bitwarden
don't forget that lastpass was bought by logmein, by the way
logmein does not have the best reputation haha
laspass' company pricing has gone up 350% since 2013 apparently
which is in line with logmein's own software going up by 160% in a single year
oh hey, here's another one from october
logmein Central Basic user tried to renew their plan, costing 949.99 GBP
received an email after OKing the renweal stating that Central Basic was discontinued, so they automatically moved their plan and charged them 2714.99 GBP
Alright, no problem o/
gentle moss
aw fuck i just got sad that robin williams is dead
... again
think i might re-watch Good Morning Vietnam
hmmm.. no. Good Will Hunting
vestal briar
Huh, the other aircraft carrier for royal navy was just commissioned
lone elk
can someone help me with relationships in ms access?
gentle moss
dear god no
plucky ridge
Was that in response to what Ted said?
Or did you have a moment of sudden random dread?
plucky ridge
Unfortunately I only really know general SQL stuff and not really anything specific to Access
lone elk
i actually understood what i needed to
plucky ridge
Oh fair enough
plucky ridge
Right
plucky ridge
Well it can be a bit tricky to know what should be grouped with what
lone elk
i have to do some preety simple stuff on mySQL
but
the proffessor gave me a link
an id
and the pass
to an sql database
but i dont seem to be able to connecto that for some reason
plucky ridge
Have you contacted them?
lone elk
too late for that
i just had to understand relationships
and i did
she said we wont have to code in sql tomorrow
there are exams tomorrow
i just wanted to play a bit with that
plucky ridge
Fair enough. Might be something worth bringing up to her at some point, though. If you do end up having to access that DB again, that is
lone elk
question
plucky ridge
Potential answer
lone elk
sql is preety simple right?
plucky ridge
Simplistic, but it can get complex
The general syntax is simple
I hesitate to say simple because some things click easier for some than others
lone elk
lemme give u en example
so
i have an sql database
and i want to find the name and the surname of the employees
how do i do that
plucky ridge
Hold that thought, I have to head home from work, and I'll be back online in like 15ish minutes
And I can field the question when I get home
lone elk
okay okay
plucky ridge
HOKAY, so
sand goblet
here is the earth
plucky ridge
If you had a table named employees, and an earth that is pretty schweet
And the columns for those particular fields are firstName and lastName
SELECT firstName, lastName FROM employees;
@sand goblet That animation is like 95% why I say that
plucky ridge
@lone elk Is that what you were asking? The query, not about the schweet earth bit
lone elk
@plucky ridge yes thats what i was looking for , thanks for answering, i fell asleep last night
rough sapphire
I also fell asleep last night
gentle moss
i did my civic doody.
i dropped that ballot straight in the box
i also saw some dogs.
people always take dogs when they go vote, it's cute
gentle moss
technically it would invalidate my ballot
sand goblet
Really? Haha
solid pollen
What a weird rule
gentle moss
i mean, the electoral commission cannot know how you voted
etc
i mean what you say after you voted is fine, as far as i know
but that's because there's ambiguity
you could lie
if you demonstrated actually how you voted, say through a selfie or some such
rough sapphire
Let's just not talk about politics here
gentle moss
then that's bad
wot
the structure of voting regulations is completely devolved from the body politic
also don't tell me what to do :3
rough sapphire
That's not what I meant
I mean gdude is asking you who you voted for
And I was just saying let's not discuss politics
Whatever
gentle moss
we often discuss politics in the off topic channels. we just avoid the divisive topics.
also, if you're not fond of the topic you don't have to get involved.
rough sapphire
whatever.
gentle moss
and i voted for the party that i felt morally obligated to vote for, rather than the party i wanted to vote for
which is a bit shit but there you go
sand goblet
That's how it is, yeah
gentle moss
that's why i was a big fan of the potential shift to AV
i mean it's not STV, but it's better
It’s illegal to share a picture of a ballot paper under the Section 66 of the Representation of the People Act 1983, including your own.
Twitter
and awaaaaay we go
look at this 3 legged cutie
watch out for alfie allen you little pooch.
2 cute 2 vote
imposter.
god damn this hashtag is so wholesome
next step, let the dogs vote
okay maybe not this guy:
gentle moss
obviously a fan of a dogilarchy
rough sapphire
caninarchy
soft wedge
wunderbar
UHH I think it's important to communicate mental health techniques, especially in an industry that doesn't value mental health
Part of the value of my post isn't necessarily the thoroughness of it as much as it shows that other people have thought about the topic in depth and that there are more ways to explore it
wooden silo
Sounds very sensible.
soft wedge
I like to think so.
Most of the time you expect the average reader to skim the highlights for each point at most, maybe the go through , 1,2,5 and then they'll come back to it if they feel that their problems warrant it
wooden silo
There's probably value in communicating practical techniques for dealing with mental health in all areas of life.
soft wedge
This is related, but it might not seem so at the moment. By any chance have you tried to learn how to lift? (Strength resistance training? )
(I only started 3 months ago
wooden silo
Yeah
soft wedge
So you know there are huge swaths of just terrible jock information that is hard to dig through to find actual advice on how to do it
I feel mental health stuff is exactly the same issue
wooden silo
Haha, yeah, true
soft wedge
I am even hesitant to say my post has any value because it tackles things/how my mind eats and deals with information
Like, some people just don't find comfort in trusting systems, my info would be worthless and counter productive if I were to give them this 'cure all ' advice
wooden silo
Even if there are aspects to it that are individual to you, the general spirit of it can probably be informative and inspiring. You can adapt the things that don't work for you if you need to.
soft wedge
UHH. I don't think so actually. Some systems just do not in any way fit some people.
wooden silo
Sure, if someone completely rejects the idea of taking a systematic approach to dealing with problems, there's not much to do about it. But at least your suggestion shows that it's a possible approach.
soft wedge
I feel pretty confident that there are huge cliffs of where different systems apply.
wooden silo
Some people will be receptive to that.
soft wedge
Y-yeah... I think maybe that's true
I would like to see a resource that you are able to go through that provides techniques, deconstruction, whatever to tackle some of these issues
wooden silo
I think that's what a CBT therapist does.
soft wedge
That goes beyond 'Drink tea and meditate'
wooden silo
Develop practical techniques for dealing with specific problems for a given patient.
soft wedge
Well, some of my motivation in this advocacy is that I don't get to trust my emotional state 'that' much, my judgment is constantly impaired due to my erratic moods of being somewhat bi-polar. So I have to use external/empirical validators to guide my decision making
gentle moss
i did CBT with in person sessions
i found it very helpful with learning techniques and processing stuff
but i don't think i could've done it online or without guidance
that works for some people though
soft wedge
But I do feel like a bird in a skinner box with random outcomes, where every bird will develop a superstition for how they are rewarded and just choose/advocate that technique
That sounds sensible. Being poor/unemployed limits my /many people's ability to see a professional
wooden silo
Yeah, that's the biggest issue.
soft wedge
But I guess this is just me advocating for webmd which..is a bad take
wooden silo
It's so freaking hard to actually get therapy.
soft wedge
Even when you can get therapy , the process is garbage
my therapist asked me if I thought I should really be there and said I was basically fine.
wooden silo
I'm probably not part of the group that most urgently needs the assistance, but I could definitely see myself getting a lot of value out of seeing someone.
soft wedge
You have to cycle through them until you feel like you are getting the help that you need
wooden silo
Would've been nice if it was a resource available to everyone.
soft wedge
Which doesn't seem far away from 'choosing your diagnosis '
wooden silo
Yeah, but maybe it's not so important whether your diagnosis is super objective or not, but rather if you feel like the help you're getting actually helps.
soft wedge
But that is the process you need to go through that no one tells you.
Lol.
I don't know Dems. I can't trust my feelings on this issue, so I am maybe more distressed than other people on it.
I very well believe people are able to accurately 'qualify' the results in their life TBH
gentle moss
i managed to get mine through the national health service, luckily
soft wedge
'Feeling good' doesn't seem enough . Hoarders feel good, narcissists feel good, delusional people feel good.' But they run into problems over and over again that they can't get around and wonder why these things keep happening. These problems become a condition of their life and they learn to habituate them
gentle moss
part of my process of improvement required me to start feeling comfortable with my anxiety
and realising that it'll take a long time, if ever, to overcome it
soft wedge
That sounds fucked
There are ways to help you
My sister and best friend deals with this heavily
They have ways to help deal with it.
gentle moss
recognising the anxiety itself is pretty helpful
and when it occurs
because, weirdly, i didn't really know about all the instances of it
soft wedge
That's not weird at all
gentle moss
also the fact that thoughts can trigger physical responses
and being able to control that to avoid run away reactions
soft wedge
How do you deal with it once you realize you are experiencing an episode ?
soft wedge
That is weird to me
I have issues where I will find myself much angrier at someone than I can justify
My brain will turn itself into a machine to hurt the other person
Disengaging and isolation is how I cope
gentle moss
well, withdrawing sometimes isn't the best behaviour to cope with stuff
soft wedge
The problem is that you always feel justified because there is a kernel of truth
gentle moss
i still do it in regards to my anxiety etc
but not as badly
being able to control or handle stuff is probably better than isolation, but it's not easy
gentle moss
they've been helpful to me
solid pollen
Daily job of a programmer, fix something, break something else
gentle moss
:D
sounds about right for a lot of jobs
doing a server migration for our SQL server and i'm getting the wee apprentice to set up the linux server for it
he's almost locked himself out the server like 3 times already
juan should stop feeling so bad about it
tired osprey
@gentle moss you sure it is not juan?
rough sapphire
Who's juan ?
tired osprey
juan is the non-sexually-determined-alpaca who goes by the user @tulip palm
@gentle moss how can you even lock yourself out of a linux server?
rough sapphire
Perfect description.
tired osprey
thank you
gentle moss
getting the ssh config wrong
restarting the service
then disconnecting from the terminal
rough sapphire
@tired osprey
change iptables rules
lock yourself out of ssh
pam auth module which locks you out on too many incorrect passwords
change sshd config and break it
gentle moss
always sudo sshd -t on config changes
solid pollen
Oh wow
tired osprey
😦
gentle moss
you can lock yourself out just by switching UFW on and not setting any rules
since it'll default to lock out
tired osprey
thats why we also have a serial console on all of our products just in case somebody configures the packet filter so it blocks ssh ^^
git gud bisk
solid pollen
Ask gdude
tired osprey
I mean if its a virtual server you should have some sort of VGA or Serial console in your browser anyways
rough sapphire
all in all
gentle moss
if gdude can locate the amazon data centre in ireland i'll be imperssed
rough sapphire
it's nothing a gun wouldn't solve
gentle moss
they don't
tired osprey
not even in browser?
gentle moss
no
tired osprey
thats gay
gentle moss
that's homophobic
rough sapphire
serial in via browser? 
solid pollen
That's amazon
tired osprey
i have just decided amazon sucks
@rough sapphire you dont know that?
azure has that
openstack has that
gentle moss
he means a kvm type thing