since, you know, most users aren't gonna fuck with their shit
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
plucky ridge
The sticker saying it's theirs doesn't surprise me
gentle moss
they can actually diagnose something more easily
plucky ridge
Any more, a lot of ISP just rent out boxes
sand goblet
it is surprising to me
gentle moss
yeah, most ISP's "lease" you your router
sand goblet
no ISPs do that here
plucky ridge
That one does
gentle moss
it wasn't always the case
gentle moss
yes
vestal briar
"owning" things is so 10 years ago
gentle moss
but cable company boxes were like
back in the day at least
full of delicious stuff
plucky ridge
Sure
gentle moss
i mean, their property
gentle moss
:D
sand goblet
haha
sand goblet
well if I look at the rack behind me
on top of it is sitting a fritzbox
next to it are two vodafone-branded huawei routers
plucky ridge
"THANK YOU FOR WATCHING YOUR {8} HOURS OF ENTERTAINMENT, CONSUMER. PLEASE ENJOY THIS TREAT"
gentle moss
i would actually really recommend reading the eircom agreement your workplace signed or whatever
plucky ridge
Zyxels does sound like a candy
gentle moss
they're shite
sand goblet
they melt like candy too
plucky ridge
Hopefully not in your mouth or your hand, though
gentle moss
Sky, for example, wont give you any real support in the face of a problem if you're not using the router they gave you
because it's "non-standard equipment"
gentle moss
you can use it, but it invalidates support
and my theory is that's why they locked the DNS down on yours too
sand goblet
I might phone them tomorrow
plucky ridge
Does a device DNS setting override the routers?
sand goblet
yes
gentle moss
always
sand goblet
but
plucky ridge
Good
sand goblet
that's no good for me
gentle moss
can you turn off the router's DHCP server?
plucky ridge
I keep having weird "LAN Cable Not Connected" messages pop up on my PS4 despite the internet still working
sand goblet
pretty slow device
gentle moss
would be fine for handling DHCP
it's not like it's constantly addressing shit
just set a really long ass lease time on stuff
sand goblet
I guess
gentle moss
or just do what a fritz does and reserve it by mac address
plucky ridge
I mean even if it was handling a handful a second, it'd be fine
gentle moss
i've done it on pfsense but not straight on a pi
sand goblet
if I remember correctly it gave me 4 addressing options
between static, dhcp, autoip and.. something else
of course I'd have to disable ipv6 too, but I guess that's okay
sand goblet
I mean it's not like I could access external without it
sand goblet
yeah
gentle moss
i have this strange feeling that uhhh
that hunk of crap router wouldn't be able to manage that properly anyhow
sand goblet
well, maybe
I guess it's going to be a case of setting a static IP for the pi anyway
and then setting it as the gateway
well, we'll see on friday
ahh man
bisk
aren't car horns the best
gentle moss
toot toot
gentle moss
you see the dudes who setup a trainhorn in their car and went around "pranking" people?
sand goblet
oh god, no, I didn't
gentle moss
total arseholes
they went through a drive through and just ordered a drink
they fucking train horned the person at the window and she quite rightfully lobbed the drink at them after they'd paid for it
sand goblet
haha, justice!
gentle moss
ah no, they didn't pay
i don't mean to be judgy, but they look like the sort of arseholes who'd put a train horn in their fucking truck
sand goblet
the technology connections video is good at least
also hey
have you ever played monopoly and then wished the game was longer?
yeah me neither
gentle moss
OH GOD
sand goblet
yep
gentle moss
MONSTERS
sand goblet
this is an actual thing too
gentle moss
THE MONSTERS
i mean technically speaking if you play monopoly properly it should only take 30 - 45 minutes
gentle moss
but it NEVER lasts that long
gentle moss
i still can't believe monopoly is still purchased and played
sand goblet
LONGER GAMEPLAY: Even bankruptcy won't get a player out of this Monopoly game! The game doesn't end until someone owns every single property -- and there are 3 versions of each in this board game
gentle moss
it's one of the worst games
gentle moss
they're just fucking with us now
that poor woman (i believe) who invented it to demonstrate the evils of free market capitalism must be rolling in her grave
gentle moss
the longest bgame i've played i think was the Battlestar Galactica one
sand goblet
you know what, I would totally play this
gentle moss
that can take ages
sand goblet
just for the hell of it
gentle moss
sure, i'd be down as long as there was a mountain of booze and something to watch on TV at the same time
:P
gentle moss
oooh good idea
sand goblet
it's an amazon exclusive so I guess they must not be planning to sell many copies
gentle moss
i can ballmer's peak tomorrow
\o/
i didn't realise there were good board games until like 5 years ago
Pandemic is a fun one, it's actually PvE
gentle moss
fantastic game
sand goblet
the one I own is betrayal at house on the hill, and its expansion
gentle moss
i mean they count, imo
sand goblet
although I'm not a fan of anita sarkesian and the other chick writing scenarios
gentle moss
and ox bellows can eat a dick
sand goblet
there's one from each of them in the expansion
gentle moss
that fucking guy
sand goblet
and they're both terrible
gentle moss
i think the last few times we've played it ox bellows has been triggered or w/e
sand goblet
I don't know that one
gentle moss
iirc it's like user generated questions from around the world
autumn herald
Tbh i'd be pretty spooked by a ghost trump
gentle moss
autumn herald
Even worse
gentle moss
it looks like a fun game
sand goblet
actually kind of a good idea
gentle moss
have to watch all your TV shows in ASCII?
sand goblet
haha
plucky ridge
David Blaine has had a rough life
sand goblet
:>
plucky ridge
He magiced his pixels away
vapid bluff
spicy
gentle moss
Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, has repeatedly said he has no business in Ukraine [...]
His discussions with Ukrainian officials proceeded far enough along that he prepared at least one retainer agreement, on his company letterhead, that he signed.
:D
vestal briar
Any updates on imprechment
gentle moss
Drump has been offered the chance to either show up in person or send a representative
also a court has said that Drump's old white house lawyer dude or whatever can't ignore a subpoena to testify
so he'll have to testify
the guy i have to assassinate on the left looks like a spy wearing a really bad fake tash
plucky ridge
Well that mustache alone....
gentle moss
hah
"our contracts are... very expensive you know..."
"i'm aware."
"it seems a bit out of place to do this over..."
"i know what i want."
"but it's just a moustache..."
"I SEE IT IN MY NIGHTMARES KISSING ME."
plucky ridge
Was it a Finnish soldier.... The one who took multiple soldiers worth of amphetamines and killed crap tons of enemy troops? Someone commented on a picture of that guy with the comment "Those are the eyes of a man who has seen god and laughed."
Those are the same eyes
But yeah that mustache is a mistake
plucky ridge
Was I right about the nationality?
gentle moss
"White Death"
yes
in 100 days he got like ~250 confirmed kills
highest daily count of 25.
plucky ridge
Well you have slow days and busy days
gentle moss
:D
plucky ridge
"Confirmed how?" "The scalps."
gentle moss
"25... that should do for a week. time for a holiday."
plucky ridge
"WHELP, time for some more amphetamines"
Honestly what probably saved him was how cold it was there
Or it at least helped
Your body just burns and burns
gentle moss
i mean finnish soldiers train in the snow
plucky ridge
No no, I'm talking about due to the drugs
gentle moss
oh right
you'd burn a little hot, would probably help
he used to apparently bury himself in snow
just have the gun poking out a bit
plucky ridge
Which would actually be slightly warmer than being above it
gentle moss
yup
gentle moss
i mean one highly trained sniper fighting on home turf vs some russian randoms
i know who i'd put my money on in the finnish winter
gentle moss
:D
vapid bluff
did none of those 250 stop to think
hey we keep dying
maybe time to take better cover?
gentle moss
how do you take cover from something you can't see
plucky ridge
Well remember, max was 25 in one day
Entirely possible word never reached the other troops
gentle moss
snow is white, he was dressed in white, hiding in snow
gentle moss
ever tried digging frozen dirt? :D
gentle moss
i've tried it with a spade and fuck that shit
plucky ridge
Or with that much amphetamines in my body.
rough sapphire
@vapid bluff I think it was done over a longer period of time
vapid bluff
what if you hold the spade over some fire
plucky ridge
Oh yeah
gentle moss
before he was seriously wounded and retired from the battlefield
250 is still insane in that amount of time
rough sapphire
got domed by an anti-material round
plucky ridge
And in fairness, being able to successfully kill an average of 2.5 soldiers per day over a large area? I don't care if it took him twice that long, that's incredible
gentle moss
and it was also fake
rough sapphire
the gun he used is actually very cheap to buy around here, the mosin nagant
vapid bluff
Fredrick Zoller is a Wehrmacht marksman who became a war hero. He became a war hero after he killed at least 250 enemies in three days.
you can get them for a bit over $200, maybe cheaper if you look
vapid bluff
so based on this guy?
plucky ridge
Without modern scopes, right?
rough sapphire
yeah its hard to believe how many there are
plucky ridge
Wasn't it entirely with iron sights?
gentle moss
yeah, without modern scopes
rough sapphire
it was
gentle moss
old scopes were just basically double lenses
rough sapphire
so he could be lower to the ground
gentle moss
hah
plucky ridge
Lower to the ground and no potential glare
rough sapphire
yep
plucky ridge
Not to mention easier loading
gentle moss
i could imagine snow and cold would suck on a scope
plucky ridge
No scope sitting over the loading port
gentle moss
frost and shit
gentle moss
breath fogging the bastard up
rough sapphire
I think these days there are coatings that can help to some degree, but I'm sure there was none (or much less) of that tech at the time
no kidding
@plucky ridge An interesting fact is that the Purple Hearts that are being given out today are from surplus from WWII.
gentle moss
"After Christmas we caught a Ruskie, blindfolded him, spun him dizzy and took him to a party in the tent of The Terror of Morocco. The Ruskie was joyed by the carousing and was disgusted when he was sent back."
plucky ridge
That doesn't surprise me
plucky ridge
"Yeah just order enough so that we have like three for each soldier"
gentle moss
"He read about his own death in the newspaper, and sent a letter to the paper to correct the misunderstanding."
"yeah, no, i'm fine actually."
plucky ridge
I think I remember reading that was a common occurrence
Misreported fatalities and people having to explain that no, they were not dead, I'm right here
rough sapphire
all you had was your word that "I'll be back by this rough time frame"
plucky ridge
"Dude I was out for like, 20 minutes to get cheese. The hell"
gentle moss
hah
rough sapphire
lol
and any change of plan meant you were essentially MIA, unless someone communicated the message back
gentle moss
"funny thing, i heard a loud bang and all of a sudden there were chunks everywhere. i assumed dear old smithy had kicked the bucket but it turns out i just left the spam on the stove. false alarm."
plucky ridge
"Interestingly enough, I think Smithy is now saltier than the spam."
gentle moss
"especially after i married his wife!"
a dreadful thing that probably happened
maybe minus the spam
"YOU TAKE CARE OF BETTY IF I DIE"
10 years later
"i said if i die."
plucky ridge
It made it better in my head
Because I imagined the friend somehow managed to marry her within that 20 minute timeframe
gentle moss
hah
2 new wine labels for my fridge. finally peeled them.
they're both American red wines and both pretty fucking bad
although the malbec was better
plucky ridge
Really cool labels at least
gentle moss
that's why we get them
no drawings by children here
just drawings from our babies
vestal briar
It's his baby
gentle moss
do you know Internet Comment Etiquette?
gentle moss
basically a guy who makes youtube videos about how to be respectful in online comment sections
really fucking stupid / dumb / funny
i got a load of merch so he sent me loads of post cards
that one is of his female alter ego, Curious Betsy, who goes on Reddit and asks people to post pictures of their houses
everyone loves to have a laugh at Alex Jones, so here's a whole video he did about Alex Jones
plucky ridge
Usually it's a good laugh followed by a cringe and a sob
gentle moss
he's that dude who did the short series "Doing X on Salvia"
like writing to his congressman, doing some gardening, driving a car.
vestal briar
Thought that said spit then haha
gentle moss
:P
it usually started off with him explaining what he's about to do in detail and then taking some and then nothing gets done at all, because, you know, the drugs.
anyway that's curious betsy fellating a rocket ship
plucky ridge
So it is
tame terrace
@deft needle sounds like you're trying to share something that will fill up drives with junk data. that kind of thing is not allowed here.
deft needle
rough sapphire
is there a technical/alternate name for when you can have live comments on a page with js?
gentle moss
Immigration officers have arrested an additional 90 students at fake university created by Homeland Security
As part of a sting operation, federal agents enticed foreign-born students, mostly from India, to a Detroit school that marketed graduate programs in technology and computer science.
Agents have since arrested about 250 students, many of whom have been deported.
:s
surely that's entrapment?
they were given student visas to the university, but the uni was a a fake run by the federal government
then they arrested anyone who didn't leave after being told it was a fake
wow shit
setup a fake university and offer visas to people who want to attend it and have them come over to attend only to be told to go home because it's a fake and get arrested if they don't? holy shit that's fucked.
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge Thanks. Someone is paying me to make some relatively simple chat web app with .js, and even though I'm comfortable with Flask/Django, I've never used js or any framework. Putting together the pieces atm by going through some crash courses/tutorials. I'm excited though, learning javascript is always something I've been wanting to get to, and this is my opportunity.
at least from my perspective so far, it doesn't look too bad.... just putting in the time to get the framework, and converting my python experience to a new language
spice wren
import antigravity
rough sapphire
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'antigravity'
!pip install antigravity
SEGFAULT
!pip install antigravity --no-binary :all:
orchid summit
from python import antigravity
rough sapphire
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'python'
cerulean granite
so
im a lil dumb
does anyone know how google hang out works
do i just join the meeting at the required time
rough sapphire
yes
cerulean granite
ok
thanks
do u just wait for the other person to be online
does it tell you
autumn herald
Yeah
cerulean granite
i got it ty
gentle moss
i never ordered the .uk's you disingenuous bastards
imagine giving your customers "free" .uk's for ever .co.uk they have for a few years and then putting them on autorenew
cerulean granite
Guys far fetch but what’s the best way to learn how to build a twitter bot from scratch
I’m really interested in making one as a hobby and to insult someone
solid pollen
Well, we do not support that type of jokes here
gentle moss
read that before making it
what you're planning on doing probably falls outside of their automation rules
cerulean granite
Just to be clear I just want to retweet someone’s tweets because I can’t follow them all the time
It’s a parody account not bullying
gentle moss
well you'll have to read their automation rules and decide for yourself if it falls within their guidelines
cerulean granite
It’s not like I’m a terrible person on something ok I will
I will read the guidelines
gentle moss
before automating anything on a service it's always best to check their terms of use and see if there's any reference to "bots" or "automation"
cerulean granite
Okies
Thanks for the advice
Ok I think I’m safe I think the bot would be entertaining
At least for a subset of users eg me
solid pollen
Guys, do you know a reliable website where I could buy used Nintendo switch and that do cool black friday offers?
sand goblet
Depends on the bot
cerulean granite
Ok thanks
autumn herald
Crime automatisation
rough sapphire
yeah.. automate all the crimes
gentle moss
fully automated luxury crimes
vestal briar
I mean if there's enough crime it evens out
Just a constant chain of stealing new stuff and having new stuff stolen
rough sapphire
it's like.. a swap meet you didn't opt for
excuse me.. is that your stuff.. well it's mine now
gentle moss
you'd have to make sure you stole the right things while out stealing
because someone might steal things you need
go out for a TV and come back to no sofa.
gentle moss
nerd
vestal briar
I sincerely opt to swap this.
solid pollen
O?
gentle moss
people haven't been smoking in the smoking area
if people do not comply they will ban smoking on the whole site
tbh there's a stairwell right by our office and people smoke at the bottom of it
gets all in the office and stuff, sucks.
rough sapphire
🍯 added ntfy to my honeypot script so i get a push notif as soon as someone ssh's in
so i can watch what they're doing in real time
ooo
solid pollen
SSH in what?
rough sapphire
into my server
gentle moss
gif me ip
rough sapphire
nns.ee
port 25616
username admin
password changeme
i see u
running dpkg and whatnot
gentle moss
:D
rough sapphire
yes, i can read that and that
(because those get printed to stdout)
but i'm also capturing stdin
rough sapphire
:D
gentle moss
3? smh
rough sapphire
oh hey, it's still alive
press tab twice
er
./ and tab
nonexistent ls workaround
gentle moss
you ever tried to rebuild a session from this point?
rough sapphire
nop
gentle moss
fucking nightmare
rough sapphire
but i've done similar things with devices which literally just don't have any binaries other than the shell
gentle moss
god damn it
gentle moss
that's pretty isolated
rough sapphire
i used it in my final year project as well
gentle moss
so even a docker escape wouldn't do me much
gentle moss
¬_¬
rough sapphire
and i can't risk someone breaking out of the honeybox :D
oooh, you're diving into /proc
gentle moss
not that type of shared i guess
rough sapphire
it's strange though, the use percent matches the host's rootfs usage
may need to update first
gentle moss
idk but it might get slower in a second
rough sapphire
resource wise?
gentle moss
yeah
rough sapphire
no hardlimits, so go wild
but the container gets destroyed after bash exits
Kata might impose some limits, not sure
gentle moss
distracting me from my work ¬_¬
rough sapphire
what are you building 🤔
rough sapphire
my god the fs is slow
gentle moss
SOOOOOOOOOOO SLOW
i should've installed screen first
fuck this i'm gonna go make a coffee
today has been the best day of work ever
done a bunch of small patches and clunkily deployed them over remote desktop sat here in my dressing gown
👌
rough sapphire
:l
solid pollen
Writing C with nano? And you call me crazy because I want to code from my iPad? :p
gentle moss
seg fault
rough sapphire
segfaulted with 800 megabytes free memory
rough sapphire
why are you installing screen 
rough sapphire
as soon as you exit the session, it's gone
gentle moss
i could not see the screen "launch" screen
or the actual screen
screen 100% doesn't work
:D
i was about to ask "what's installed on this?" but then realised i'm fucking on it
gentle moss
having some problems?
gentle moss
total server mem?
rough sapphire
2.8 used from 3.8
gentle moss
i was just tempted to do something pretty mean
rough sapphire
do it
gentle moss
how many simultaneous ssh sessions do you allow?
rough sapphire
oh god
gentle moss
yes
quite.
i think i have some boiler plate paramiko somewhere i could thread up
plus using dd from zero to null i could eat up CPU quite easily across a few sessions
gentle moss
:D
's shit in the pool, everyone out.
always good to let nice people have a go first
vestal briar
GDPR!
gentle moss
wot
sand goblet
it's that time again
Oracle finally responds to wage discrimination claims… by suing US Department of Labor
sand goblet
it's so fucking oracle
gentle moss
yeah
gentle moss
oh lord
Big Red accuses the US Department of Labor of “unprecedented overreach by an executive agency,” and claims the agency doesn’t have the authority to cut Oracle out of government contracts for its discriminatory practices
that's just
sand goblet
such as oracle rejecting qualified candidates in the US and hiring and obtaining visas, etc, for indian men, and then underpaying those men
gentle moss
classic tactic though
gentle moss
yeah, that not so much
the other part, yes so much
breaks law, called up on it, refuses to give records, sues the government because it wont hire it after it broke federal law
that is so oracle
gentle moss
the Labor Department said that between January 2013 and December 2016, 90 per cent of technical graduate hires were Asian.
holy shit that metric
O_O
sand goblet
they've been caught for racial discrimination, gender discrimination, age discrimination, and also unfair hiring practices
like I'm really not sure there's much else they can be caught on
oh, and not providing records
gentle moss
is their business model to go bankrupt?
sand goblet
I hope so
gentle moss
it's seeming more and more like it
rough sapphire
what do oracle even do nowadays to stay relevant
sand goblet
nothing really
gentle moss
nothing
sand goblet
the only thing I can really think of that people still use is oracledb
gentle moss
in fact they're making it harder for themselves to be relevant by their own actions
they'll find a way to fuck that up
sand goblet
the only reason businesses use oracledb is because oracle provides paid support
which is a really weird reason to use it
gentle moss
plus they're probably locked in
sand goblet
possibly, yeah
gentle moss
when it becomes more financially viable to move to something else i'm sure many will
sand goblet
I've had to work with oracledb as a developer
let me tell you
that is a mistake I won't make quickly again
gentle moss
ha
sand goblet
There’s more: in May this year, Oracle was sued again by another group of people - this time old folks. A former Oracle salesperson claimed the company had discriminated against him because of his age and a medical disability and argued there was a deliberate corporate strategy to replace older workers with younger ones.
Oracle responded with its customary tact and respect. Talking about the second DoL lawsuit (as opposed to the other three), its general counsel Dorian Daley said: "This meritless lawsuit is based on false allegations and a seriously flawed process within the OFCCP that relies on cherry picked statistics rather than reality. We fiercely disagree with the spurious claims and will continue in the process to prove them false."
Unfortunately for Oracle there appears to be a wealth of evidence against the company, but rather than do what others have done and, you know, change its systems to pay everyone equally, it has decided to spend that money on lawyers claiming that the US Department of Labor has no right to enforce labor laws in the way it’s doing.
How very Oracle.
gentle moss
:D
sand goblet
see though the thing is
as a developer
my modus operandi is that "good enough" is not good enough
which is tricky because almost nobody else works that way, especially in a business
gentle moss
you'd hate my job ¬_¬
sand goblet
probably
gentle moss
sometimes never time to refine stuff, just to get it working
autumn herald
The moto of my job is le
Iiteraly "good enough"
Why change when it works "badly" tons of time
gentle moss
"if it's working don't touch it"
autumn herald
Yeah
Got scolded for refactoring a 16 if elif chain woth a dictionary
"What is a dictionary?"
gentle moss
at my job it'd be me who wrote the 16 if elif chain and is now annoyed that i have to mess with the tripwire config to make it not throw up red flags
"There's been a lot of cheap imported blockchain on the market and apparently there are rust issues because of the poor quality galvanising. We're keeping an eye on it, but until we can guarantee reliability we're just a bit cautious."
i love BOFH sometimes
sinful copper
given that 1920x1080 is a pixel clock of 165 MHz that implies a bit clock of ~2.346 GHz for 2560x1440
sinful copper
times 10 bits, bisk
gentle moss
some users are reporting as low as 1280x1024
sinful copper
maybe their wifi is 900MHz
gentle moss
i have a pi4
but i do not have a hdmi cable
other wise i'd poke it with a stick
plus at work we've got a PAT tester for radio equipment
wonder if it goes up into WiFi ranges
sand goblet
I'll be setting up a pi 3 as our digital signage driver on wednesday
I think the digital signage provider we use actually provides an image
gentle moss
was supposed to be for a 4k TV and it can't even handle the frigging browser properly
sinful copper
apparently the issue is that some HDMI cables the shield is bonded with a single wire at the end of the cable https://interferencetechnology.com/hdmi-cables-emi/
gentle moss
some users have tested it with many types of cable so idk, maybe just unlucky
and yeah it'd make sense
sand goblet
Irish government have created a map at all of the waste drop-off/recycling points in Ireland
filtering out the bottle banks, here's what we get
that.. uh..
well that explains a lot, doesn't it
sand goblet
haha
gentle moss
we recently rented a bin for WEEE waste
we handle enough stuff to rent a bin for it now
it's chained up where people have a fag when they shouldn't be.
although there are massive thieves in this area so we had to get a pair of high security padlocks, a thick as fuck chain and chain it to a girder that holds up a stairwell
sand goblet
Yeah, you go there to recycle your glass bottles
Shove them into a huge container
They're in like parking lots here
rough sapphire
oh, wait, yeah, you don't have the uh
"taara"
system
i really don't even know what to call it in english
sand goblet
They don't buy them back, yeah
rough sapphire
but yeah, basically, every bottle is worth 10 cents which you can just put into a machine
it spits out a check which you can cash in at the nearest convenience store
sand goblet
They had something like that at our school
rough sapphire
glass/plastic/can
gentle moss
a bottle bank is a series of large containers with a tiny hole in them
sand goblet
You put bottles in and you got this voucher
gentle moss
where you can lob a glass bottle of specific type in
sand goblet
And then you could spend it at the school canteen
gentle moss
and hear it shatter (or not)
sand goblet
They stopped doing it when someone put their hand into the hole and almost lost it
rough sapphire
you don't have to spend it, you can just cash it out
but yeah
we got them machines at like every store
gentle moss
i manually recycle my glass bottles because it gives me the cathartic release of smashing glass.
yeah because you're civilised bastards
UK is way behind on recycling
sand goblet
We are too, as you can see from my screenshot
wheat lynx
When i do it i make sure i put it in the most empty one so it is more likely to shatter
gentle moss
"recycling centre"
exactly wookie
good tune
it sure beats when i used to make molotovs and throw them into an abandoned quarry
wheat lynx
I do love a bit of Nick Lowe
wheat lynx
I like his voice in the beast in me
wheat lynx
Yeah, you wouldn't think it was the same person.
gentle moss
his early stuff was pretty happy go lucky
at least in vocal quality
later he's like "oh... i am a dirty human"
sort of like johnny cash did
but.... less cool
almost reminds me of tom waits
wheat lynx
yh. I could listen to cruel to be kind on repeat for ages
gentle moss
it reminds me enough of tom waits to mention i thought about it but not enough to say it
wheat lynx
I know what you mean
gentle moss
like he got some grit
started smoking 20 a day
but yeah, loving the sound of breaking glass is a good reason to go recycle yourself
rather than putting a box out
wheat lynx
Could just get a job as a bin man
gentle moss
i live close enough to a recycling centre than i can stop in before / after work
and then just take the bottles
depending how i feel i might smash them to work
sometimes after work
wheat lynx
That would be satisfying after a hard day.
gentle moss
.... i still use the recycling bin because the volume of glass i accrue over a week is vastly in excess of what any one glass breaker would reasonably get through
shaaaaaaaame
summer knot
I'm a little late to this conversation, but...
She was a winner
Until she became the doggie's dinner...
(Nick Lowe)
gentle moss
wow, rude...
rough sapphire
anyone from germany here?
or currently based in
I think that nix is from germany
rough sapphire
oh that's cool
clever shoal
groovy is cursed
vapid bluff
interesting
especially since i havent updated any foobar related files in at least a year
and it was working fine about a week ago
how does this even happen
vapid bluff
i thought you werent even allowed to create abstract class instances
and compilers make you implement pure virtual functions
otherwise the subtype becomes abstract too
sand goblet
Yeah, that's a good question tbh
maybe @rough sapphire or @tired osprey would have an idea
tired osprey
I have been called
tired osprey
Well in java for example you can have abstract functions right?
That's equivalent to calling an abstract fhncgioni
vapid bluff
how do you calla pure virtual function in c++
i thought that was impossible since:
- you cant instantiate abstract classes
and 2. if you dont implement a pure virtual function in a subtype it becomes abstract too
tired osprey
Well if your compiler would actually check your code for validity that might be the case
Though I'm quite sure the c and c++ compilers can be tricked into bad things
As is demonstrated here
In C/c++ the rule "if it compiles it works" never stands
vapid bluff
i dont know how youd trick the compiler into instantiating an abstract class
rough sapphire
wait isn't this python server 🤔
vapid bluff
dam u got me
i am ready to be banned for the offense of discussing an off topic topic in off topic. i accept my fate
rough sapphire
!bam @vapid bluff
vapid bluff
smash me with your ban hammer
sand goblet
vapid bluff
@tired osprey pls show how trick compiler
vapid bluff
meta.split
solid pollen
splits?
vestal briar
splatted
vestal briar
Just shat
sand goblet
some group was in our sports hall at like 10pm last night
deliberately kicking a ball at the roof
managed to completely murder one of the guards on the lights
tired osprey
@vapid bluff I don't speak the c++ I just know it's a stupid compiler
rough sapphire
please don't tell me you actually murdered a guard
sand goblet
haha
no, it's like a metal grate on the bottom of the light
so they can't fucking wreck the light
rough sapphire
oh i see
sand goblet
they're screwed tightly into the light housing
but they managed to knock it clean off the light and bend it like 30 degrees
rough sapphire
i thought you murdered a guard who was on light duty because they let the group kick the ball or something
sand goblet
that's a hell of a kick
haha
they knocked it off the light and it fell to the floor
so they hung it on a thing on the wall
and then they managed to hit it again with the ball
vapid bluff
@tired osprey i know there are several compiler tricks to make constants editable for example.
this is something ive never encountered before though. and a better question would be: WHY the fuck would anyone want to do this. especially in production.
sand goblet
so it ended up on the floor behind a goalpost
rough sapphire
because some people just hate everyone @vapid bluff
tired osprey
@vapid bluffi don't think it's on purpose
It's an error someone made the compiler didn't catch
And now you're the one who gets fucked by it
vapid bluff
thats the thing, unless youre deliberately trying to trick the compiler into this particular scenario, it's more or less impossible
this should be impossible with any modern compiler
tired osprey
Well
vapid bluff
i dont even know how youd do the particular trick to make it happen
sand goblet
I mean, I wouldn't exactly call foobar a modern piece of software
I doubt the compiler is up to date
tired osprey
If rustc passes something during compilation you can be 99% sure it's gonna work if you got the logic right
However the c /c++ compilers do purposely not provide many safety guarantees
vapid bluff
this is part of the language spec
sand goblet
so now my boss is in the sports hall with the unenviable task of figuring out how the hell to put this guard back on the light on the ceiling
this is the sports hall in question
vapid bluff
it's like someone managed to somehow call an int like a function, it's that kind of absurdity that should never be possible even in most extreme cases.
sand goblet
that's something I don't enjoy about C++
tired osprey
For example they recently tried to snack a rust/ functional feature called pattern matching
vapid bluff
it's not undefined behaviour. you are not allowed to instantiate abstract classes.
tired osprey
Because many people enjoy that one
But uh
They mightve purposely introduced undefined behaviour in that sprx
Spec
But it got accepted.....I think
vapid bluff
undefined behaviour is like accessing memory outside of array bounds
tired osprey
Undefined behaviour is
If you get to this point there is no way to predict what happens next
vapid bluff
right, and the compiler wont stop you getting to that point.
vapid bluff
this however should always been stopped by the compiler. the compiler should always know whether a class is abstract or not.
and afaik there arent any hacky introspective ways to cast a class as concrete
sage crescent
tired osprey
I don't think it's about instantiating an abstract class
sand goblet
u mad
tired osprey
It's probably a lot more hacky
sand goblet
Have you tried #user-interfaces? @sage crescent
tired osprey
I was just using abstract as a comparison for what virtual means
rough sapphire
it's a channel
rough sapphire
gcc is perfect
rough sapphire
i know
tired osprey
No
tired osprey
GCC is a c/c++ asm ada and what not compiler
Cc stands for compile collecting not c compile
vapid bluff
g++ is the c++ compiler
sand goblet
yeah but that's part of gcc
tired osprey
G++ is a sub program of gcc
sand goblet
but everyone should be using clang anyway
rough sapphire
g++ is gcc with extra flags
vapid bluff
oh ok
sand goblet
clang is a terrific example of how much the gnu can be comparitively stifling for software development
rough sapphire
literally gcc -lstdc++ is synonymous with g++
tired osprey
I mean it's certainly more hacky than instantiating just an abstract class
@vapid bluff
vapid bluff
looks like it's just a byproduct of how c++ does dynamic binding, according to the snippet used on that page
moral of the story: don't put stuff in abstract classes' constructors.
ashen glacier
Heyo.
So, i want to learn a new programming language and keep track of my progress and also saving it for the future. Usually i use git(hub) as my version control system. Anyone got an idea how i can manage a lot of different repos (well, say projects, don't need to be a repo)
Don't want to mess up my github profile and 'hide' my other projects in a flood of stupid nonsense
solid pollen
You can pin up to 6 repo to the top of your profile
ashen glacier
Thanks. Good to know.
Is there an more effective way than to upload a "Hello World" Repo and another "GoodBye World" Repo and so on? 😄
rough sapphire
you can just keep your private projects... well, private
solid pollen
If they are very small snippets you can regroupe them or upload them to https://gist.github.com too
ashen glacier
I mean, i'll take the pin thing as i only have three projects i want visible but in case i ever have 7 i would have troubles 😄
Oh jeah, that is what i was looking for i guess
Thank you!
rough sapphire
you can look into moving your "real" projects to an organisation
(as in, create an organisation for only yourself)
ashen glacier
I think i'll take the gist way for now. But the projects thing seems to be nice once i get to more usefull stuff
Thank you both 🙂
gentle moss
no. 2 is a requirement of good internet behaviour
especially with the detail of tracking links now
annnnnnd i'm #8
rough sapphire
@gentle moss Yeah, amp links are annoying.
gentle moss
amp is great for stripping bullshit off a page
amp on desktop is like "holy shit, this is how the internet could be"
solid pollen
AMP links are way over annoying
rough sapphire
gentle moss
no, i'm just like uhhh
talking about like the amp that's served to mobile maybe
it's way stripped back
rough sapphire
That makes my eyes bleed
gentle moss
i actually can't find an example right now but previously The Guardian's AMP served content contained way less media
like a stripped back version of the site
rough sapphire
You can do that on Firefox. Reader mode or whatever it is
"Reader view" Ctrl + Alt + R
gentle moss
Nice
rough sapphire
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
File "server.py", line 25, in recv_frame
sock = socket.socket()
TypeError: 'tuple' object cannot be interpreted as an integer```wow thanks python
gentle moss
what's the problem?
rough sapphire
the problem was that we were doing struct.unpack and then passing that straight to a socket .recv because we didn't realize it would return a one-element tuple and not just the actual number