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gentle moss
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there is an argument to be made from his point of view, yes

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ยฃ80k doesn't go as far as it used to

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the fact he feels he's fucked by this or w/e is emblematic of how tilted out system is in favour of the rich?

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or something

undone berry
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But the extra tax he'd pay, he won't even notice. Under the tories, the tax cuts he'd receive, he won't even notice. Just a complete failure to think about the system critically

gentle moss
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yeah

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plus knowing that as a hobby you do one of the most expensive hobbies there is

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wew

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motorsport is no fishing

undone berry
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I still can't get over the fact he said all doctors and all solicitors earn more. Absolute cockwomble

gentle moss
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maybe if you work with the averages and don't understand statistics

tulip palm
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oh my god it's somebody else who says cockwomble

gentle moss
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who doesn't? :D

tulip palm
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a lot of people!

undone berry
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I'm done with this guy now. But last thing, the average solicitor salary is apparently 45k

gentle moss
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i bet there are kids who say it don't even know what a womble is

fallen sparrow
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I looked it up and I'm even more confused

gentle moss
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:D

fallen sparrow
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lol looked up word etymology it just says cock + Womble

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I'd like to know what the person was thinking when they chose this combination

gentle moss
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wombles are notoriously like... idk

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bumbling / pretty thick

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a cockwomble is a bumbling thicko prone to say stupid shit

worthy swift
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lol

undone berry
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Some words just sound good together

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And most of the insults I'd default to, I avoid here

gentle moss
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there are some really good ones

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pissweasel

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shitgoblin

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compound insults $

undone berry
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Accent clearly plays a part in which ones sound the best for a given person as well. The Scottish age gifted in that sense

gentle moss
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Malcolm Tuckers, the lot of them

undone berry
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I've been rewatching that over the last few days, and god is it great

gentle moss
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yeah

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uuuhhh.... wish?

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wtf.

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neat.

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usually it's drones launching things at people rather than people launching drones

gentle moss
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O_O

oak tangle
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Don't you know, you're either with me or against me

gentle moss
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you're either a national 3 letter agency tasked with protecting the nation or you're THE ENEMY

oak tangle
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If it so happens that regular, more-or-less apolitical investigators are arguing against me, they're against me and America

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So, it's a coup

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It's totally not anything I did

gentle moss
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apparently the report says some low level staffers may have fucked some stuff up

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but not with intent or w/e

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it was an investigation into the phone tapping of Carter Page, which trump said was spying on his campaign or w/e

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the report he's citing to say that they're against him actually says that it was all above board and normal

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apart from the fact a lawyer fucked some shit up and was fired for that anyway

oak tangle
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It doesn't really matter

gentle moss
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oh yeah ofc

oak tangle
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It's all about managing the public opinion

gentle moss
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cause it's all a witch hunt

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i forgot

oak tangle
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yes

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They basically convinced people that the Mueller report contains nothing serious

gentle moss
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i can't wait for the future where you can take someone's brain for a spin

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i'd love to see how the fuck their brains work

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or don't

oak tangle
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Despite the report basically saying "Well, we won't investigate a sitting president, but otherwise..."

gentle moss
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exactly

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plus multiple other investigations forked off that one investigation

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hence why New York State is demanding he turn over his tax returns

oak tangle
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Oh, those tax returns...

gentle moss
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my brain just told me the dumbest thing

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"wonder why they leave the big kettle on constantly in the office kitchen... i guess it's because it's cheaper to keep the water boiled than to unboil it all the time."

robust sierra
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unboiled water

undone berry
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That also doesn't sound likely to be true

gentle moss
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idk, if it requires minimal effort to maintain a boil

fervent dock
gentle moss
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compared to heating it up from room temp

undone berry
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It seems more likely that the electricity cost is lower than the employee time

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and yeah, i doubt its at all expensive to keep it hot

gentle moss
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ahhh

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i never factored in employee time

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loitering is money

robust sierra
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unboiled dihydrogenmonoxide makes up 75% of your body

gentle moss
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condensed boiled dihydrogenmonoxide

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viscous water

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or to the layman, thick water.

robust sierra
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flammable water

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hey water has a lower boiling point than bitumen which means water is more flammable

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i am an intellectual

gentle moss
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you can't burn water

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you can only break it down

undone berry
gentle moss
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icecream is made of cream

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not water

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you can very much burn cream

undone berry
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then why does it have ice in the name if its not made of it?

gentle moss
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it's a spy.

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someone's gotta keep an eye on water

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just sayin

cosmic quiver
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what the hell

gentle moss
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idk

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it came up on my facebook feed

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as an advert

oak tangle
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An advert for nightmares?

rough sapphire
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Wish

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as in i Wish this didn't exist

robust sierra
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yikes

shell blade
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Is that the female joker lol

rough sapphire
robust sierra
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i like the server icon :D

sand goblet
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Daily reminder that adding people you don't know on LinkedIn is a good way to delegitamise your profile

gentle moss
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Daily reminder that LinkedIn is basically a sentient spambot that's hoping you click the wrong button one day and deploy spam to your entire contact list.

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It's now spreading to discord.

undone berry
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The best thing about LinkedIn is I get to see other CS students make shitty LinkedIn posts where they desperately try and seem professional and come across just sounding like tits

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LinkedIn posts have such a weird and recognisable form of English

gentle moss
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i am not marketable on linked in

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jack of all trades and that

undone berry
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My brother - a tree surgeon - is on there

gentle moss
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yeah, but that's a single trade

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it's not like he's a tree surgeon and also a landscaper

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or a botanist

rough sapphire
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looking good ?

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let it upload let it upload

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refuse to make a linkedin

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never seen any reason why i should

sand goblet
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I had to make one as part of a java course I was doing

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Because a requirement was joining the group of the course coordination company

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Blue wave media

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Fucking left it right after I got my cert though

frosty berry
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if are never going to look for work, sure, you don't need one, and even if you will, maybe you don't, but it could come pretty handy

silver reef
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linkedin is like facebook, only you can pay to be a professional narcissist and vaugebook about the entire industry

undone berry
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I've known people receiving good job offers via linkedin

gentle moss
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i know all the likely employers in my area and most of them are meh

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because i've actually had to deal with them in my current job

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one company in particular is a total bastard

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they're another IT support company that offers people firewalls etc

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but they do full egress blocking on nearly every port except 80 and 443

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took a 2 hour conversation to convey to them we needed ingress and egress access on a port to a specific IP to be able to support our customer's VOIP

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i literally had to tell them how to write their fucking firewall rule

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pissed me off

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and they still do

undone berry
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Honestly - there are so many just shit IT support companies out there

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Started by people with the minimum knowledge back in the 80s/90s who made the bare minimum to keep up with technology

deep drum
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look at that profile pic, it's beautiful

raw stone
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I appreciate this server image

quasi estuary
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I'm trying to specify a range to add a table in VBA:

srange = Sheets("Sheet2").Cells(11, 11).CurrentRegion
ActiveSheet.ListObjects.Add(xlSrcRange, Range(srange), xlYes).Name = "Table999"

and I get 'method Range of object _Global failed'
does anyone know the proper syntax for this?
e.g. a valid range would be Range("$A$1:$AK$213")

quasi estuary
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AH - I forgot to Dim srange as range: Set srange = Range("A1").CurrentRegion

rough sapphire
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HELLO

drowsy idol
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Python Server every 5 seconds : change icon

solid pollen
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Hey guys, have you ever had any problem with the default media receiver on your chromecast? Mine does not work anymore

sand goblet
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No issues here

rough sapphire
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same, just used it yesterday (on 2 different chromecast devices) and it worked fine

solid pollen
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When I start casting streaming website, the chromecast just display a gray screen and a blue cast logo

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And... Nothing happens

sand goblet
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It's more likely to be your network or the device you're casting from

gritty mulch
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Going to learn Kotlin

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Wish me luck

rough sapphire
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kotlin is ok

gritty mulch
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I've heared

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Mostly from Gdude

sand goblet
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Kotlin is awesome

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You might enjoy it

gritty mulch
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I hope so

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I'm going to just throw myself right in, learn the syntax and such then do a Minecraft mod

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It's looking good so far honestly

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No ternary operator <3

sand goblet
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One nice thing is that everything returns a value

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Everything

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You might not get why that's handy at first, but it is

gritty mulch
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One thing that always bugged me was the inconsistency between in-place Python shit and stuff that just returns

sand goblet
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Kotlin has no switch either

gritty mulch
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Yeah I saw

sand goblet
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It has something better - when

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So much better

gritty mulch
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This

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Really nice

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I like this language already

sand goblet
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Yeah, and see, even when returns a value

gritty mulch
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This is a well thought it language it looks like

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Cpp should be ashamed

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It was made by the Jetbrains people yeah?

sand goblet
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Yup

gritty mulch
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I bet they were fed up of Java

sand goblet
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Most likely

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Of course Kotlin supports java, native (all major desktop and mobile platforms), javascript..

gritty mulch
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Yep. More powerful than I realised

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No clue what I'm going to use it for after this :P

sand goblet
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Haha

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I used it for Minecraft too

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Wrote a Discord bot for Spigot in it

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Fairly basic bot but it did what I needed it to do

gritty mulch
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Will have a look

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I'm doing client stuff though

sand goblet
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I figured

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It'll be fine anyway

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Note you will either need to shade Kotlin into your mod, or make use of Forgelin, preferably Shadowfax's one

dense marlin
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Where would be a good place to find a tutor to help me figure out my project?

sand goblet
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If it's a Python project, you can ask specific questions in the help channels

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But there are no actual tutors here

solid pollen
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About the chromecast : don't think it is my device (I tested on 4 devices) or my network, I haven't changed anything since i installed it

jagged fog
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some helpers here know more that some teachers I know

undone berry
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Literally every single Helper on here could do a better job of teaching programming than my old CS teacher

rough sapphire
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"ok guys, today we're going to be learning python"
opens word

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^^ actually happened

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he would type his code into word. Once he was happy enough with his code, he'd open a python shell and paste his code into it

vestal briar
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python is not object orientated

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for loops do not have conditions

jagged fog
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deducts points because he doesn't know that syntaxt altho it's valid

vestal briar
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Every computer science exam in history

rough sapphire
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being a smart ass person in a super low level begineers class. many a time i simplify a code in exam that makes more sense
stupid teaachers cut my markes cuz checker don't actually know me

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feels so weird calling myself smart ass
here i am a begineer

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at the same time . my teacher got stuck in many problem in the end i look on the screen and be like yeah cuz there is a little space there

vestal briar
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In cs class, listen to their word like it's god

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And only do what they say in exams

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Because the exams are badly done but the teachers are saying the correct (but overall wrong) things to get you through the exam

rough sapphire
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idk how many i was like "wth are you saying that is from python2"

vestal briar
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You don't even do python in exams

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It's the half-basic, half-pascal pseudocode

sand goblet
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We did php in our compsci exams

vestal briar
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This is gcse grade fyi

sand goblet
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On paper, with a pencil

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Oh, I'm talking university grade

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Alright

vestal briar
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We do all pen and paper

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It sucks but you get used to it

robust sierra
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i hate it.

vestal briar
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Everyone does

robust sierra
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i have bad handwriting and when i make a mistake i have to cross out a huge chunk and that adds to the mess

vestal briar
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Oh and for gcses, they had to take the programming project out because people where just copy and pasting eachothers

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I know that feeling

robust sierra
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do you do OCR?

vestal briar
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I think, yeah

rough sapphire
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bad handwriting . let me show u mine . u will love urs

vestal briar
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I need a laptop for exams for how bad mine is

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But cs refuses it

robust sierra
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the examiners allow you to write python instead of plain pseudocode, and i find that plain pseudocode is harder to write than python

vestal briar
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Yeah

rough sapphire
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see this . chemistry btw

vestal briar
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When I said that to my teacher she went on a rant for 20 mins

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It looks nicer than mine

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But is just as hard to read

robust sierra
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hm

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chemistry eh?

rough sapphire
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yeah

vestal briar
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My worst topic

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And yet I still get 5s somehow

robust sierra
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your handwriting looks like marie curies

rough sapphire
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i have the shittiest handwriting in the people i ever met

robust sierra
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i love chemistry btw

rough sapphire
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i hate chemistry

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it makes no sense

vestal briar
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Chemestry is cool but it's just a very not-good teacher

rough sapphire
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it gets boring with time

vestal briar
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We have a pe teacher for it

robust sierra
vestal briar
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Soo yeah..

rough sapphire
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finally my true ancestor

robust sierra
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also her notebook has radioactive stuff on it

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pretty cool

vestal briar
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My computer has radioactive stuff on it

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Called wifi

rough sapphire
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thats totally my handwriting

robust sierra
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my science teacher complains about my presentation all the time

vestal briar
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Not like we use our books

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Once it's written I nobody uses the "revision"

robust sierra
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"draw diagrams in pencil, underline titles, work on your handwriting"

vestal briar
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It's just the good ol' rewrite and you'll learn it

rough sapphire
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When you're surrounded by 8 devices that are actively connected to WI-FI.

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let me show u my CS book its of class 11

robust sierra
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oh yeah my cs book is the worst by far

vestal briar
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My maths is nicely presented though

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All tabbed

steady forum
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my handwriting is good enough that people can read it

robust sierra
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my maths book is pretty shit since it doesnt get marked

steady forum
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my maths work is generally decently spread out

robust sierra
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Oh wait

steady forum
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as in i spread it across several lines

robust sierra
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my spanish book is by far the worst, actually

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i have drawings all over

vestal briar
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The general look of mine is:```
A
1
a- (20 * 2) / 4
- 40 / 4
= 4

steady forum
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lol

rough sapphire
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my current book

vestal briar
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Sometimes with -/= and sometimes just another tab

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Basically YAML but without colons

rough sapphire
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i love the language of this book

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way more real life then docs online

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this para is my fav of all book .

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@rough sapphire needs more monty python references

robust sierra
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spam and egg

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egg and spam

rough sapphire
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eggs bacon eggs and spam

sand goblet
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That book is kinda engrishy

steady forum
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im bacon

sand goblet
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Spam, egg, spam and spam

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People use dailymotion?

rough sapphire
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Spam, Sausage, Spam, Spam, Spam, Bacon, Spam, Tomato and Spam (vinyl record)

robust sierra
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@vestal briar whats your strongest subject atm?

rough sapphire
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yeah probably cuz no one in my class a fan of python . its trying its best tho

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@rough sapphire not even the teacher?

steady forum
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lol

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wait which country/year are you lot

rough sapphire
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my teacher is kinda cute ๐Ÿ˜

steady forum
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nice

rough sapphire
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@rough sapphire but does she like python?

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she prefer that over jspeek

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oh ok

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thats good

robust sierra
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@steady forum yr11

vestal briar
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@robust sierra In grades or irl?

robust sierra
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grades

steady forum
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gcse?

sand goblet
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Too much batter. But now I know what I'm doing.

oak tangle
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That's how you learn

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I like to improvise a bit when cooking; some times it works, other times, not so much.

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But, then you know

sand goblet
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Yeah, I mean, that's definitely part of cooking

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This is a combination of two recipes

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Since the original one didn't have a buttermilk soak

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And really who doesn't do that??

robust sierra
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improvising hehe

oak tangle
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I've never made fried chicken.

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But, I trust you a buttermilk soak is essential

sand goblet
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It's what keeps it moist

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And I mean, the chicken definitely was

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But that was mostly batter

rough sapphire
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any vegan here . ok no . nevermind

oak tangle
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No, but I don't eat meat 5 out if 7 days a week

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Or so

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Depends on the week

rough sapphire
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we cant eat ham here at any cost

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you will be at gunpoint if you ask for ham burger LOL

sand goblet
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Pork considered religiously unclean there?

rough sapphire
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yeah

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you know how majority works in religions

sand goblet
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They'll never take away my bacon

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:v

rough sapphire
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cuz u are not in my countrt LUCKILY

sand goblet
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Although a hamburger is actually beef, FYI

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It's confusing, I know

rough sapphire
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i got a vid for you to watch

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its about a school

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a boarding school

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i laughed way too hard when i saw it

sand goblet
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Can't actually watch atm

rough sapphire
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add it up in watch later.

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the comment section too good

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remember the episode of phineas and ferb where they go to a boarding school . this is like this except its not shown that hard

pine vector
solid pollen
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At least it hasn't crashed

vapid bluff
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lmao

drowsy idol
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testing is doubting

undone berry
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I bought my mum some expensive knives for christmas, and one of them just cut through half the packaging during shipping and is now bent

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at least they're sharp I guess?

gentle moss
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hah

sand goblet
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That's craaazy

vestal briar
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<@&267629731250176001>

grim pelican
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!ban 609103684059529250 we don't tolerate racial slurs here

royal lakeBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @ancient dust permanently.

acoustic agate
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<@&267629731250176001> please ban this acc. @ancient dust

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@ancient dust ban this acc.

grim pelican
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just did

acoustic agate
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I wonder why this kind of people's come here

grim pelican
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need some excitement in their lives i guess

acoustic agate
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๐Ÿ˜‚

sand goblet
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Some people collect bans like others collect spoons

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A few of them even wear it as a badge of honor

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Weirdos

royal lakeBOT
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@lament jackal, it looks like you tried to attach a file type we don't allow. Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

fallen sparrow
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Til people collect spoons

viral parrot
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im a forced spoon collector

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i have extended family that give me one spoon every year at xmas.

rough sapphire
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me mum collects jugs

solid pollen
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Forced to collect spoon
Could be an eternal punishment in hell

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Condemned to collect spoons

sand goblet
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Spoons all the way down

rough sapphire
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"Support for macOS will not be available starting with the next release of CUDA" woo

sand goblet
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Hardly a surprise

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Must be a super niche market for nvidia

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Considering apple uses amd gpus

viral parrot
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about time... apple do their own thing with their nvidia boards

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im not even sure they use the reference board

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i have nvidia in my mac @sand goblet

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so i guess its all down to what line you have

sand goblet
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Cool, you are the 1%

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Haha

viral parrot
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i have tried CUDA on my mac.. it works.. terrible, is error prone. and just a pain

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then i used it on my personal computer, worked like a charm

sand goblet
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Yeah, it works well on windows and Linux

viral parrot
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is it easy to setup on linux as well? only testet windows and macos

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and remember, i barely know majaro/arch

rough sapphire
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haven't had issues with it on Linux

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on arch, fwiw

gentle moss
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[07:56] trishmapow: Til people collect spoons

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one of our customers is an antique spoon retailer

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they like spoons.

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

solid pollen
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The problem isnโ€™t the retailer, it is his customers

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Peoples buy antique spoons??

gentle moss
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some of them are really valuable

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like ยฃ5000 for one teaspoon

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because it's from the 1600s or something

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people pay a lot of money for old shit

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the trick our retailer has is he knows his customers

solid pollen
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Yeah but.. spoons...

gentle moss
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so he'll know one guy has say like, 40 out of 45 pieces of an antique cutlery set

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he'll then intentionally seek out those 5 pieces ahead of his client

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and be like#

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"hey, i got your spoons..."

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and a full set of 45 is significantly more valuable than each item on its own

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so he can jack up the price of all 5 spoons

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because his customer wants to complete the set

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it's pokemon cards for old people

sand goblet
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YOINK

solid pollen
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Imagine old people exchanging spoons like kids does with pokemon cards

sand goblet
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I mean, why wouldn't they

gentle moss
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just look up spoon sets

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that's just one spoon

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all these spoons? ยฃ5k.

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look at the back of them damn it

sand goblet
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Money money

gentle moss
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3rd's a charm

rough sapphire
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but why spoons

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in particular

gentle moss
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i think it's just a generalisation for cutlery sets to make it sound sillier than it is

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forks, knives and gravy boats doesn't sound as funny

solid pollen
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Fork, knives -> forkkinve -> forknite -> fortnite

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Okay, Iโ€™m tired

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Spoons are way more fun than knives

gentle moss
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except for being murdered with

solid pollen
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Hmm true

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Well, being murdered with a spoon is fun too

gentle moss
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i disagree

steady forum
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use spoon to create custard

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but use untrustworthy eggs

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feed to person

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they get diarrhea

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wait

chilly sinew
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@steady forum Thank you for that insight

steady forum
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nobody refuses custard

chilly sinew
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That's true

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I enjoy custard

fresh kayak
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mm

rough sapphire
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FUCK custard

plucky ridge
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@rough sapphire Don't say that too loud or you'll upset the Teletubbies

rough sapphire
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sorry tubbies

undone berry
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custard is rubbish

plucky ridge
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But frozen custard is great

sand goblet
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I like custard

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Don't fuck my custard please

plucky ridge
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I knew this would happen, I knew it would because it's UPS. Every freakin' time with them

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Looks like I won't be getting my Pi until tomorrow

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Instead of taking it to my apartment complex's office, they said "Eh, we'll just take it back to one of our locations instead." Which means I have to wait for it to go to said locations, which means that even if I did manage to bug out early enough to go to one of those locations while they're open, it won't be there until next business day. Every time with them. USPS and FedEx don't have these issues

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So irksome

sand goblet
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FedEx sent a debt collector after me for an invoice I'd already paid two months earlier

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Because the account they told me to pay was using the wrong currency

sweet prawn
#

Custard

#

reminds me of yellow

#

maybe because it rhymes with mustard

sand goblet
#

Well, it is usually also yellow

sweet prawn
#

hush

#

youre yellow

sand goblet
#

No u

cerulean granite
#

got kicked out of math discord

#

now i here

#

im michael

#

hello

rough sapphire
#

@cerulean granite Why'd you get kicked?

cerulean granite
#

i kept saying i wanted to kill someone

#

ill stop dont kick me out pls

#

it was metaphorical

#

it wasnt directed to anyone in the discord

#

i need to be a part of a community or ill get sad

rough sapphire
#

Seems like a strange thing to say.

#

wtf

#

possible jail time

crisp sierra
#

Don't threaten violence on anyone, implicitly or explicitly, or you'll get kicked out of here too. If you can manage that, welcome to Python Discord.

rough sapphire
#

@rough sapphire How've you been, btw?

#

been good.. building stuff.. improving understanding of basics and learning devops.. thinking about moving back to EU

#

how you been Scott

#

are you back now

crisp sierra
#

BTW, the way I got to be part of this community was by trying to get better at Python by offering other people help in the help channels... I strongly recommend it

#

Feels good to solve other people's problems, too, when it works.

cerulean granite
#

Id TRYYyY

#

well

#

you can only arrest me if u find out who i am who im talking

#

good luck getting me committed

rough sapphire
#

@rough sapphire I'm off and on. Working on getting a project over to Python 3 by end of the year.

#

It's coming along well

summer knot
#

I feel lucky in a bad way. I only got into Python right around when Python 3 was in ascendancy, so I started there.

cerulean granite
#

me too

rough sapphire
#

I know what having to work on py 2.7 is like.. so painful because you know the rest of the world is ahead.. lol..

cerulean granite
#

is it true python is pseudocode

rough sapphire
#

good luck porting the code Scott.. wondering how you're managing all the testing

#

Piece by piece, really, lol

fallow sky
#

I'd try to solve people's problems but I'm incompetent

#

I spent 2 days trying to fix a bug

#

Here's what went wrong in a nutshell:

cmd = input('> ').lower()
cmd = shlex.split(cmd)

if cmd[0] == 'config':
    if cmd[1] == 'ngrokDisabled':
        # do stuff```
cerulean granite
#

yeah im competent i cant solve ppls problems

#

what does input("z") do

#

">"

crisp sierra
#

It makes "z" be the prompt for the input

cerulean granite
#

ohs

#

cool

#

what if the prompts not good

#

u get an exception?

#

dw i will read the documentation

fallow sky
#

No

#
thing = input('> ')
# > Type your command here
> print
if thing = 'print':
    print('success')```
#

Specifying a prompt for input is not required, but it can help to distinguish when the user is supposed to type something

cerulean granite
#

oh wait

#

no i knew that

#

woops

cerulean granite
#

!e "hello"

royal lakeBOT
#

Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.

solid pollen
#

I just want to lint it

#

and make 256 errors pop out

#

Just.. please, give us some space

vestal briar
#

Wow that is terrible

solid pollen
#

Indeed it is

#

and it is in the school book

rough sapphire
#

speaking of lint.. for some reason my linter doesn't turn on in vscode..

#

and it's only on my home machine.. my work machine is fine.. so weird :<

edgy magnet
#

That snippet

solid pollen
#

Isnโ€™t that modern art?

edgy magnet
#

More like abstract

#

I wonder what the artist is trying to express in this picture

#

"How2python like java" is what I'd name it

#

run

solid pollen
#

I have worst!

edgy magnet
#

Oh. My. God. That is truly a masterpiece

#

I must make a PR so we can use more codes like this

#

Just, why

solid pollen
#

I found the masterpiece!!

rough sapphire
#

delete this

edgy magnet
#

MY EYES

#

I have been enlightened

#

By newer height

solid pollen
#

And they expect people to learn python from that..

#

I also have the matplotlib version, would you like to see it?

#

Starred import, without any space

edgy magnet
#

Your professor / teacher must be a mathematician!

#

Now YOU convert him to a pythonista!

solid pollen
#

Yeah thatโ€™s from a math book

#

They had a month to became a pythonista

#

Poor teachers / professor / i donโ€™t really know what they are

#

Gonna convert all of them! hyperlemon

edgy magnet
#

I believe!

#

Show them the powah of python!

solid pollen
#

(Oh wow this emoji, what did he eat at breakfast)

#

The powwweerr!

chilly sinew
solid pollen
#

Oh, bisk!

chilly sinew
#

Hi

solid pollen
#

Hey

edgy magnet
chilly sinew
solid pollen
#

Canโ€™t beat the ducky!

chilly sinew
#

Debatable

shell wind
#

Got 5

edgy magnet
#

Only 5? Pff!

solid pollen
#

We have way more ducky!

#

Maybe one day this PR will be merged

gentle moss
#

Got Duck?

#

1 flag CTF mode for Q3F

#

4 teams, get and hold the duck.

#

wow that video is so 00's

sand goblet
#

it does absolutely nothing to explain anything lol

gentle moss
#

yeah, there's not exactly much video material from back then except frag videos, good and bad

#

big low gravity arena with a duck in the middle. teams spawn at one of the towers in the 4 corners.

#

while holding the duck your team gets points every 30 seconds i think

sand goblet
#

Ah okay

#

Standard CTF then

#

You never played sauerbraten, did you?

gentle moss
#

well no, because you're not capturing the flag

#

you're holding it

#

so it's more like One Flag capture and hold, but mobile?

sand goblet
#

there is a name for it

#

I just can't remember what it is

gentle moss
#

i know, i forget it

#

i think Unreal did it first

shell wind
#

Team defender from MW3 kind of reminds me of it, except there are only 2 teams in that

sand goblet
#

Anyway you didn't answer my question

gentle moss
#

isn't sauerbraten food?

#

:P

sand goblet
#

yes, that's what it's named after

#

haha

gentle moss
#

ah

sand goblet
#

sour roast

#

german

#

something is downloading at 90mph, hang on

#

man this trailer is so old it's 240p

#

it's a fast-paced arena shooter that includes built in mapping tools

#

fully open source

gentle moss
#

levels look cool

sand goblet
#

they're all built ingame

gentle moss
#

yeah...

sand goblet
#

one of the gamemodes is "coopedit" which allows you to fly around and modify the map

gentle moss
#

that's not always..

#

a few games have done that

sand goblet
#

yeah, but this was designed around it

gentle moss
#

nifty idea that's finally working out in proper games

#

reflex was built with ingame editor stuff in mind too

#

but i think that's much newer than that

sand goblet
#

yeah, sauerbraten was like.. early 2010s

#

and it's cube 2

#

there was a game before it called cube

#

which had a similar premise but was much less polished

#

sauerbraten is heavily moddable as well, given its open source nature

#

platinumarts sandbox, a kids' sandbox game, is based on it

#

it also comes bundled with a third person RPG demo

#

haha

#

the geometry was interesting

#

because the map editor is actually grid-based

#

you can change the size of the grid that you're editing at any point, and you can slope things

#

so it makes for a lot of pretty intricate designs

gentle moss
#

nifty idea

#

was never gonna make it

sand goblet
#

it was quite popular at the time

#

this was our minecraft before minecraft

#

haha

gentle moss
#

most arena types don't make it though

sand goblet
#

I think it does still have players

gentle moss
#

as i said the other day

sand goblet
#

oh, also, it's pretty much all dynamic rendering

gentle moss
#

some things don't die

#

oof

sand goblet
#

There are lightmaps but considering you can add and move around lights as you see fit in coopedit..

gentle moss
#

i mean, that's why it looks a bit garbage despite coming out in 2011

sand goblet
#

These maps are bad examples to be honest

edgy magnet
#

some things don't die
Are you also a C# dev???????

gentle moss
#

no, worse.

#

i'm a quake player.

rough sapphire
#

ooh I love quake

#

do you remember Gamer tv in the UK?

gentle moss
#

yes.

sand goblet
rough sapphire
#

they used to show those old quake tournaments

gentle moss
#

yeah

rough sapphire
#

can't tell if that's a picture of hogwarts.. or a quake arena

gentle moss
#

i used to watch them using Quake TV

#

Quake 3 did not look like that by 2010 :P

sand goblet
#

I mean, quake 3 also cost money

#

haha

#

not awful

#

anyway yeah, it's a good time

gentle moss
#

no, but clearly needs heavy lightmap work

sand goblet
#

solid shooter as well

gentle moss
sand goblet
#

Yeah, I do own Q3

#

just.. on PS2

gentle moss
#

that's a 2014 map

rough sapphire
#

looks like prince of persia

gentle moss
#

you can see the compiler getting better over generations

rough sapphire
#

quake live?

sand goblet
#

actually sauerbraten was released in 2004 apparently

#

I knew that 2010 date on the trailer was too late

gentle moss
#

nope, that's still Quake 3

#

but it wouldn't matter Tron, they're built on id Tech 3.

rough sapphire
#

QUAKE

gentle moss
#

the compiler is the key part, rather than the engine

rough sapphire
#

3

#

ARENA

gentle moss
#

true

rough sapphire
#

anyone wanna 1v1 me on q3a

gentle moss
#

i do have a server up and running

#

you got CPMA installed?

#

we could do some amphi

sand goblet
#

Cube 2: Sauerbraten uses a 6-directional heightfield (or octree) world model. An octree, in Sauerbraten, is a cube that can be split into eight smaller cubes; those smaller cubes are also octrees, and can be subdivided further. This allows much more complex level geometry and easier editing.

Each cube-shaped node in the octree represents a renderable volume, or a type of Marching cube, which are referred to as a cube, where each edge of this cube can be lengthened or shortened to deform the cube into a variety of other shapes. Corners of cubes can also be "pushed" or "pulled" to create crude curves. The what you see is what you get realtime editing has enabled level designers to add a lot of detail to maps, while reducing the time spent on actual creation. This is in contrast to traditional modern polygon soup 3D engines which take a model generated as an essentially random batch of triangles from an external modelling program and attempt to spatially subdivide the model's triangles after the fact by splitting them to fit into tree structures, such as a BSP tree or even an octree, that require costly pre-processing to build. Cube 2's novelty thus lies in that the world representation is the octree, or Marching cubes, structure itself, from which efficient triangle batches are generated for the graphics processing unit to render, without need for expensive and time-consuming pre-processing.

rough sapphire
#

I swear I've seen that map in Quake live

sand goblet
#

Yeah, that's about the best way to explain it

gentle moss
#

you haven't.

sand goblet
#

a grid that you push and pull cubes out of

gentle moss
#

octree based level design

#

interesting

sand goblet
#

It also has linux support

#

although I think you can play quake on linux these days

#

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised

gentle moss
#

you've always been able to play Quake 3 on linux

#

they released it with a linux build

sand goblet
#

Ah okay

gentle moss
#

iirc

#

since it's OpenGL they went full "we're not dicks"

sand goblet
gentle moss
#

nice try on the water renders

#

fun to see what people do with limited tools

sand goblet
#

Yeah

#

that's what I sank my time into before MC anyway

#

sauerbraten, not PA sandbox

#

It's a shame there aren't games that are this creative today

#

Oh right

#

I forgot about tesseract

gentle moss
#

i assume stuff could be built with a real editor?

rough sapphire
#

i don't have cpma on this machine

#

should get it

gentle moss
#

it's actually got an active development team

#

FINALLY

sand goblet
#

I'm not sure you could build maps outside of the game

#

Models you could

#

Models and textures aren't modified ingame really

gentle moss
#

oof

#

a lot of that looks like it's been speed increased and could be accomplished much faster in a real editor

sand goblet
#

Building a full map is going to go a lot faster ingame I'd expect

#

and it's a lot more fun either way, haha

gentle moss
#

i disagree with that first part

#

2nd part i also disagree with if you're a level designer

sand goblet
#

A "real" level design tool isn't going to be geared for this kind of geometry

#

You almost never actually need models, for example

gentle moss
#

huh? a "real" level design tool built everything you've seen in almost every game ever

#

it doesn't matter what kind of geometry we're talking about

#

a mixture of 2d and 3d views rather than having to do everything in pure 3d is much better

#

and tbh even then you're using the 3d view mostly for preview

sand goblet
#

I can't see how a 2D view would be useful for a 3D-grid-based map

gentle moss
#

because you can build 3d objects to a grid in a 2d view

#

duh

sand goblet
#

but you can only see one face

gentle moss
#

that's why you control + tab between different 2d views

sand goblet
#

Maybe you should just try it, haha

gentle moss
#

i've tried ingame level building tools before and they always feel clunky

#

always

sand goblet
#

I didn't find this clunky

#

it's very different from anything else I've used really

gentle moss
#

maybe it's because i spent years doing level design using 2d tools

#

but in all honesty for example the base of that tower building

#

it's a kinda octagon

#

i could build that in 1 click and drag

sand goblet
#

but obviously it's not designed with professional level designers in mind

gentle moss
#

then 4 clicks to clip the corners off

#

from a top down view

#

yeah, but if that's the only way to build the levels

sand goblet
#

I mean, that process is very similar to how you'd do it ingame

gentle moss
#

yes except your position in 3d space matters

#

so you constantly have to move around

#

very clunky

sand goblet
#

Definitely feels easy and streamlined

#

and more importantly, intuitive

#

to someone that plays games rather than makes them

gentle moss
#

for someone who doesn't map, i guess

sand goblet
#

learning to map professionally takes a long-ass time

gentle moss
#

i guess

sand goblet
#

this is a tool even kids can use

#

haha

gentle moss
#

sometimes i forget not everyone's done some of the things i've done <_<

sand goblet
#

It does have some kind of weird concepts

#

like for example, let's say you made a sheet of glass ingame

#

glass is something you can replace empty space or pulled with in your selection

gentle moss
#

a fill

sand goblet
#

using, well, /glass

#

but let's say you wanted frosted glass

#

what you do is place what basically amounts to a shader in a bubble

gentle moss
#

does it count as an entity or a surface shader?

sand goblet
#

so you say, I want a frosted glass shader here, and place the shader entity next to the glass

gentle moss
#

i assume the glass breaks or w/e

sand goblet
#

Glass isn't breakable I don't think

gentle moss
#

ah, so it's more like surface shader and then you're modifying it with like a shader modify object

sand goblet
#

Yeah, basically

gentle moss
#

that's a little weird

sand goblet
#

It is pretty weird

gentle moss
#

but i guess these are the quirks that comes with this type of thing

sand goblet
#

It ends up being fairly intuitive when you realise how it works

gentle moss
#

some of the harder stuff i got to grips with when i was doing level stuff was scripted entity sets or sets of entities which could behave like logic gates

#

you'd basically build a non-rendered box outside the map and put loads of point entities which controlled logic flow in it

sand goblet
#

Map scripting is a thing in cube 2 as well

#

but I never got into it

gentle moss
#

RtCW had map scripting for movers etc

sand goblet
#

You don't see it used for actual arena maps much

gentle moss
#

so you could create complex movers / doors / etc

sand goblet
#

but there are single player maps it's used in

rough sapphire
#

i hope id release a map editor with Doom Eternal

gentle moss
#

it's built in

#

same with 2016 iirc

sand goblet
#

if they do it better be better than it was in doom 2016

rough sapphire
#

wait, doom 2016 had a map editor!?

gentle moss
#

but it's far more like Radiant than a "fun" editor

sand goblet
#

yes, and it was garbage

gentle moss
#

it's not garbage

#

it's a professional tool

sand goblet
#

it's pretty garbage

gentle moss
#

fucking luddite

sand goblet
#

you can do neat things with it

#

but you can also only have 4 enemies spawned at once

gentle moss
#

:D

sand goblet
#

I can't think of a single part of the actual game that only has 4 enemies in it

gentle moss
#

oh, you're talking about the snapmap editor

#

yeah, no fuck that

sand goblet
#

Oh, there was another one?

gentle moss
#

i thought so but i might be thinking back too far

#

maybe since the bethesda purchase they're not releasing their tools :/

rough sapphire
#

oh yeah snapmap

#

yeah, no

#

not that

gentle moss
#

hmm... yeah, seems like they haven't included real editors since id tech 5

#

that's a bummer.

#

the tools they showed off for RAGE etc were really impressive

#

they looked much more like what i'm used to

#

blessed be the 2d view.

sand goblet
#

See that looks basically unusable to me

#

haha

#

You at work, bisk?

gentle moss
#

yeah, who ever is building there is building badly

#

nah

sand goblet
#

and why not?

gentle moss
#

3 day week, duh.

sand goblet
#

right, right

#

I just realised I don't even have battleborn installed

#

probably can't do that with mom hanging about..

gentle moss
#

i've got to finish the last hitman challenge on sapienza anyhow

sand goblet
#

let's see..

gentle moss
#

the "ultimate" birthday suit one

sand goblet
#

last sauerbraten commit was.. last week

gentle moss
#

i mean hitman suit

sand goblet
#

man that's a 2 hour download at sourceforge speeds

gentle moss
#

i've been planning this assassination attempt the whole time we've been talking, i think it will work

#

<_<

sand goblet
#

haha

#

okay

gentle moss
#

man, every new level in hitman you start of blindly fumbling through it

#

then you play it enough and you know where everyone is and almost every view point they're gonna see you from

#

one of the kills i plan to do involves me hiding in a crate the target is going to go into with a body guard

#

the body guard turns to look at a painting for 6 seconds

#

enough time for a garrote and to dump the body in the crate and get back in the crate

#

wait for them to leave and jump out the window

#

\o/

sand goblet
#

that'll work, haha

#

..lol, I'm looking at the battleborn steam community

#

even the sentries taunt you

#

(animated at link)

wooden silo
#

It feels like it might be almost as fun to automate a Hitman mission as playing it.

gentle moss
#

lol

#

yeah

#

some of my favourite automations are from games that are like uhhh

#

courses / efficient paths

#

you can break it down into the tiniest of slices

sand goblet
#

oh, it's being review bombed

#

with "I hate Randy Pitchford"

gentle moss
#

here's 2019's defrag world cup round 2 CPM mode winner:

#

here's it done by a script:

sand goblet
gentle moss
#

wow, talk about bitter

#

not that i don't agree with their sentiment

sand goblet
#

There are some positive reviews with 300+ hours

#

it definitely had its dedicated players

#

it has MOBA-style pvp modes too but ofc nobody is playing

gentle moss
#

problem with centralised servers etc isn't it

sand goblet
#

yup

#

too much game logic on the server

gentle moss
#

i remember a while ago valve said that if steam ever went offline they'd patch as much as they could to allow people to retain access to their games

#

i wonder how true that is now

sand goblet
#

To be fair, that's a bit of a difference between a successful storefront and a single game that was a total flop

#

Can't imagine it'd be hard for them to make it work offline though

#

They marketed it around the pvp

#

But the campaign pve is where it really shines

gentle moss
#

true

#

i'm sure someone will patch it

sand goblet
#

I hope so

clever axle
#

since it's in off topic no one will see this but I just figured out that the long time issue i have with python was solved by running them directly from the command prompt

#

that's like 4+ months of not copy+pasting the <stdin> error line 1 lmao

ugh!

fresh kayak
#

hi

olive raptor
#

Does anyone know if the leet in the name leetcode comes from 1337?

#

lmao

rough sapphire
#

I'd assume so

oak tangle
#

leet comes from elite and was stylized as 1337

#

it's fairly old internet slang

#

so, yeah

#

leetcode certainly comes from that

gentle moss
#

back in those olden times

#

when people r0x0r'd

#

or sux0r'd

rough sapphire
#

tech is one of the few fields where anything >10 years old is considered old

oak tangle
#

back in the olden times of our youth

rough sapphire
#

I always think thats cool

gentle moss
#

j00 wud b a f00l 2 not c how 1337 i am

#

oh god my fucking eyeballs

#

i can't believe i did that as a kid

oak tangle
#

This is a bit older than 10 years, though

gentle moss
#

yeah getting on 20 maybe

#

rofl

oak tangle
#

It was already there when I first really started exploring the internet in the mid 90s

rough sapphire
#

I started my internet addiction in the early 2000s

#

started using it around 96ish when I could

oak tangle
#

Wiki puts it as 1980s:

Leet originated within bulletin board systems (BBS) in the 1980s,[1][2] where having "elite" status on a BBS allowed a user access to file folders, games, and special chat rooms. The Cult of the Dead Cow hacker collective has been credited with the original coining of the term, in their text-files of that era.[3]

rough sapphire
#

born in 88

#

huh interesting

#

figured it was just some 2000s thing

gentle moss
#

nah

#

i stopped doing it when my sister's bf kept throwing shit at me when i'd use it on IRC

forest herald
#

Oh hey

autumn herald
#

rOxOr'd looks like a OwO doing ๐Ÿ‘Œ

#

๐Ÿ‘Œ OwO๐Ÿ‘Œ

#

The true leetspeak of late 2010's

vestal briar
#

Stop

Sincerely, me

rough sapphire
#

from discord import joseph
import antigravity
j = joseph()
j.pickup_rock()

bleak lintel
#

excellent

vestal briar
#

Time to move my cheapo vps to an rpi because I have ran out of funds for said cheapo vps

#

Going to be a fun day..

#

I have it jankily plugged in at the router with a semi-broken usb

rough sapphire
#

what are you hosting on your vps?

#

i could host it for you

#

on me vps

#

i've got a cdn as well if you want to make use of that

#

@vestal briar

vestal briar
#

Like 3 containers and a small postgres runtime

#

It's fine

rough sapphire
#

i can run that

solid pollen
#

Guys, I may have dropped the wrong table..

plucky ridge
#

But where will you eat breakfast now?

solid pollen
#

Not that kind of table

#

SQL table

#

At least I can still eat my breakfast

plucky ridge
#

But why were you eating your breakfast on your computer

#

Well actually

#

Nevermind

#

I guess it's a good place to take a byte

rough sapphire
#

can you eat breakfast if you get fired for dropping the wrong table?

solid pollen
#

Well, that was a test db so I think I can still take my breakfast

#

I guess that's a good time to upgrade postgres

plucky ridge
#

At least there's a silver lining

solid pollen
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Someone dropped a table? Everything is working fine sweatcat

gentle moss
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what the fuck

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dude's out playing golf and tweeting this shit

oak tangle
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"How I see myself in the mirror" vs "reality" memes coming up

gentle moss
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he downloaded the image and uploaded it

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didn't even like

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retweet it

plucky ridge
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Normally people with that kind of bod are considered chiseled. However considering the amount of work it'd take to get to that point, I feel like it'd be better work for a garden trowel

gentle moss
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that's uhm

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rocky balboa

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from rocky.

plucky ridge
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Oh I know, just trying to take a dig

gentle moss
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i thought rocky won a victory over russia rather than being its bitch tho

plucky ridge
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Was that... 4?

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Which one had Ivan Drago

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Yep, 4

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Oh huh. He apparently shows up in Creed 2 as well

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Wow he shows up a lot

gentle moss
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:D

plucky ridge
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oh my god

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He shows up in "Something, Something, Something, Darkside"

vestal briar
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Ves was spot on

gentle moss
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nice

vestal briar
sand goblet
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say @gentle moss, I wonder if eircom requiring you to use their DNS servers constitutes a GDPR violation

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since they would know exactly who is accessing what via that method

gentle moss
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i mean

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it's bound to be covered in the terms of service

sand goblet
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yeah but GDPR doesn't allow for that

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it's explicit opt-in

gentle moss
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and agreeing to use their service is?

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i get your angle though

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and i'm curious too

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most ISP's don't force DNS usage

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you can alter it

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locking it at a router level seems a bit

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suspect

plucky ridge
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Agreed

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And even then, you can sometimes set DNS at the device level

gentle moss
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it's either an oversight, an attempt at control, or data harvesting

sand goblet
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there's a bigass sticker on the back of the router stating that it's Eir's property, too

gentle moss
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attempt at control makes more sense