idk where's the safest place to say this (either here, #community-meta, etc.), but i've been feeling like i get less help in the lower help chats than the ones listed towards the top
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
summer rampart
I'm fairly confident it's not the case that people are ignoring the help channels at the bottom, it's just that more questions get asked in the top ones so overall it looks like there's more activity there
leaden flame
ok. should i remove my comment or we're all good?
summer rampart
you don't have to, you're not doing anything wrong
server feedback is suited better to #community-meta though, like you mentioned
leaden flame
ok. i asked here bc when i asked if i should comment in #community-meta in the past, someone said no
wanton nexus
good afternoon, fellers
gentle moss
hello
violet wadi
i had to write a little bit of json manually just to set up a structure just now, and i gotta say: damn, it's kinda fun
vestal briar
Just got smash, it's cool but the controls are different to what I was expecting
sand goblet
They take a bit of getting used to, but they're quite good
vestal briar
Time to practise I guess
undone berry
Is there a website that can give me like temporary access to a Postgres database so that I can play around with SQL
MySQL would also do
vestal briar
Why don't you use one locally?
undone berry
Can't be arsed to set it up
I want to make like 3 tables
that will then be forgotten after an hour
I'd normally use SQLite for that, but Id prefer a more complete SQL dialect
sand goblet
Set one up locally
vestal briar
To practise sql?
sand goblet
That is the correct thing to do
solid pollen
SQLite support the complete SQL dialect
SQLite has a full-featured SQL implementation
https://www.sqlite.org/fullsql.html
undone berry
Well, I have a uni assignment that I need to write SQL for. The SQL needs to run on Oracle which I'm definitely not setting up, so I figured trying to run it on SQLite/MySQL would be closer
given that SQLite accepts anything that is thrown at it
solid pollen
SQLite is fine for testing
sand goblet
Oracle is completely different from basically everything else
You will need to use Oracle
I've had to work with it myself
solid pollen
But MySQL is bundled with windows isn’t
sand goblet
No
solid pollen
Or it is bundled with office
sand goblet
Nope
undone berry
Are you thinking of Microsoft Access?
solid pollen
So there is MySQL coming out of nowhere installed on my father’s computer
sand goblet
There's also MSSQL but that's an entirely separate product
solid pollen
Maybe it was access
Can’t remember
I just created a program in ti basic!
That’s one of the worst language ever
(well php is the only one that is worst)
vestal briar
I would mess around with ti basic but I don't have an overpriced calculator
sand goblet
I dunno why I'd ever buy a calculator when I have a phone
solid pollen
Well using a phone in maths classes isn’t very authorized so..
tired osprey
Some calculators can do things better than a phone
or maybe even more things than a phone
solid pollen
You can install anything you want on a phone, even a ti-83 emulator so..
They are better than calculators
and way way way faster
And you get overflow errors way more easier on a calculator than a phone
violet wadi
standard phone calculators tend to be kinda shitty
rough sapphire
"This is only the beginning."
pine vector
Chupacabra exists...
gentle moss
oh boy do i have a song for you sommer
rough sapphire
It's All Star, isn't it
vestal briar
"Our next generation thermal night vision equipment mr president"
vestal briar
I remember that name
pine vector
that album cover. its so 90's... 😄
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
Please don't urinate on their paperwork
gentle moss
off
pine vector
oh yeah. def 90's music.
vestal briar
I'm bored today
gentle moss
MIRV is a weird band
vestal briar
Just been browsing wikipedia looking at random millitary equipment
pine vector
post-fusion funk prog rock.
pine vector
but also no tim alexander. the godly freestyle drums are the true backbone to primus...
pine vector
he's my #3 drummer.
pine vector
yeah, there are few that could actually utilize a Pert kit.
pine vector
my list, since you all were curious:
1. Danny Carey.
2. Neal Peart.
3. Tim Alexander.
4. Carter Beauford (so underrated)
5a. John Bonham
5b. Chad Smith
i'm with you on 4 counts
and now i have to put on good times
those fucking drums
the god damn kick triplets
rough sapphire
@gentle moss Not sure if it's your jam, but check out Infected Mushroom - Heavyweight
gentle moss
Infected Mushroom is very much my jam
rough sapphire
👍 Noice
gentle moss
Heavyweight is a top track
rough sapphire
Been on a Depeche Mode / Infected Mushroom kick recently
gentle moss
their move from classical psytrance -> some sort of fusion was excellent
rough sapphire
Yeah it was
gentle moss
saw them live \o/
met them at the Ministry of Sound bar before they did their set too
rough sapphire
Them just casually switching things up mid-song
"Actually, let's change to a completely different genre."
gentle moss
i'm really fond of where they went in Army of Mushrooms
Nevermind was an excellent pre-release
pine vector
i want to say i've come across them before. sounds like they stole Trent Reznor's drum machine. 😄
rough sapphire
@gentle moss Their cover of The Pretender was great too
gentle moss
yeah, i dislike how low the vocals are mixed though
gentle moss
i just wish i heard the lyrics more, rest of the track is good.
pine vector
woah. yeah, there's a lot going on in this track. metal. glitch. synth-ie-ness. industrial. house. wow. well done on the convergence...
gentle moss
vicious delicious is a great album
i think my favourite off the album is probably Suliman
it's been interesting to watch their evolution
i first heard about them in the early 00's or so i think?
maybe a bit later
Intelligate
p.much just psytrance done well before the shift
made loads of fans mad. :D
solid pollen
The cover of Simulation Theory by Muse is also very cool
It has been designed by the same man that did things for stranger things
pine vector
oh goody. its Kill The Noise time! 🤯
violet wadi
@solid pollen got a link to that cover?
solid pollen
wanton nexus
@autumn herald dude, Tartiflette is super neat
wanton nexus
I'd be a bit afraid to roll it into the production though
autumn herald
why though
wanton nexus
The repo's active, but the community is extra small right now
Hoping they'll get a bit more popularity and mature a bit more
Graphene's not doing much better
autumn herald
i can assure you it's in good hands >: D
wanton nexus
but it's been around for a few years, with a bunch of articles and people doing things on it
haha
yeah
will definitely use it for personal projects in the nearest future tho
autumn herald
noice
violet wadi
@solid pollen ohhh, i thought you meant a musical cover
solid pollen
Oh yeah no an album cover
violet wadi
simulation theory was kinda meh tbh
sinful turtle
I've updated my bouncy ball thing so it has like
actual physics
(left click to make a bouncy ball, right click to make a immovable box)
sinful turtle
I could easily add mobile support for left click by changing like 2 characters (by changing mouseClicked to touchStarted in the code)
but idk how I'd implement right click on mobile
pine vector
cheaper than a "dedicated" POS system. hook up a square-type card reader...done.
and you get Apple's "venerated" app store that keeps the bad-actor apps away. (slight tongue-in-cheek, there)
vestal briar
POS?
vestal briar
Ah, a fancy till
sand goblet
Sometimes you do need that big screen for PoS
pine vector
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand goblet
Far too much clickbait for me
tiny raven
Guys wood fired pizza and now he's broke and can't feed him family this is so sad
agile heart
aww bisk has his name in the channel name
I hope one day I can get mine on there too xd
agile heart
mm I see only gdude beating that xd with 160k
lemon, eivl, Mr. Hemlock are ~50k
Shirayuki fisk ~23k
Scragly ~ 18k
sedsarq akarys ~9k
And then me ~3k -.-
waxen pewter
Wooo making my 30th off-topic post!
bleak pine
Pls help
fallen sparrow
!ask
royal lakeBOT
fallen sparrow
^ and probably try a help channel @bleak pine
gentle moss
it was a dark and stormy night
the rain was hammering hard against the window as he stared out into the gloom
ring ring ring ring
"hello?"
"i am inside the house."
dun dun DUUUUUUUUUUUN
to be continued next week.
vapid bluff
so the intro to scream
sand goblet
it was a dark and stormy night
the rain was hammering hard against the window as he stared out into the gloom
ring ring ring ring
"hello?"
"BANANA PHONE"
dun dun DUUUUUUUUUUUN
gentle moss
hah
agile heart
Okay I really want you to continue that next week bisk
agile heart
then continue it today!
gentle moss
no
agile heart
rude
steady forum
vestal briar
Penny laaane
gentle moss
choon
steady forum
ive had 347 messages when do i get a channel named after me
undone berry
How do you see message counts?
forest swan
I'm assuming he means pings?
undone berry
You better start typing, lol``` from earlier
oak tangle
And about half of those triggered our mod system
vestal briar
I have less than half that
undone berry
how doth one find out this information?
oak tangle
You can search from: in the Discord search bar
It will give you the number of results
undone berry
4.4k results. I'm surprised that the search is a good way of figuring it out
but I guess it kinda makes sense
fallen sparrow
Discord is slowly making search actually usable, latest thing is sort by oldest. Maybe one day it will have an option to disable fuzzy matching
fallen sparrow
Ah nice just tried it
sand goblet
Lol 347 messages
I have 170k that I can see
But there's a lot more in the staff channels I guess
oak tangle
247,522 in all the channels I can see
Which are all the channels, including archived ones
fallen sparrow
That's a crazy amount
oak tangle
gdude is a former owner and he's been here for a long time
fallen sparrow
That would make sense
oak tangle
He's also the top contributor to most of our repos
oak tangle
30 times you say?
Let's find out
Hmm
considering your sheer amount of messages, the ratio is still pretty low
There are users that run 1:1
oak tangle
There are a couple of different filters/watchlists: https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/master/bot/cogs/filtering.py
Mostly based on the type of filtering/pattern matching they do
oak tangle
I've looked through it, it's inflated by a couple of unmute commands
gentle moss
i also think i tried to trigger one of them with legit speech
oak tangle
We have some words and terms on the watchlist that are typically fine
It's just a first line of defense pinging the mods to look at something
So, we do it to ourselves
gentle moss
i think it was the r-word and a musical artist
because i read the regex and tried to find a way to trigger it
<_<
undone berry
My natural instinct with stuff like this
fallen sparrow
That's what you get for open sourcing lol
undone berry
is to try and come as close as possible
without breaking the rules
which is just being a dick
fallen sparrow
Never too late to start
undone berry
As in actual !warnings?
gentle moss
yeah, legit infractions
undone berry
Is there anyway to check your own, or is it a mod only thing?
gentle moss
mod only i think
undone berry
I think I might have 1, but I don't quite remember
fallen sparrow
Just use search
fallen sparrow
It's literally mentions:yourname warning
undone berry
Aren't warnings normally done via user id without the @?
fallen sparrow
Anyone volunteer to test it out? 😛
undone berry
I think that would reflect poorly on everyone involved
sand goblet
I see @gentle moss's sinner ratio isn't quite hell level yet :>
sand goblet
Also jeez, 270k, I was thinking of a boost of like 50k, not 120k, haha
undone berry
mentions: Charlie#4186 from: Python#4329 is only for evals, so I guess no warnings/infractions
fallen sparrow
Damn it's half past midnight and I'm hungry and there's no food
oak tangle
You can check your infraction count by using the !user command in #bot-commands
undone berry
Can you do it on other people?
fallen sparrow
Huh it's been a month already
oak tangle
@fallen sparrow Every moderation feature we have is completely open source and I think that's only fair
@undone berry No, you can only use the !user command on yourself
undone berry
As I just learned, yeah
gentle moss
can't view what my infractions were for though
oak tangle
Didn't you receive a couple of automatic mutes for spam?
gentle moss
ahhhh yeah
oak tangle
Like "too many attachments"
gentle moss
picture dumps from mobile
doesn't like 4 images
i also think lemon infracted me once for a joke
oak tangle
I don't see one of those
I've just checked
I only see automatic ones
Maybe he's hiding it from me
steady forum
what is on the watchlist anyway
gentle moss
haha
oak tangle
The watchlists are defined in the config-default.yml file
gentle moss
it's opensource, you can see for yourself
steady forum
oo
right now im just reducing my number of google chrome tabs from ~250 to a reasonable number
and it takes a while for it to realise all the tabs have closed
gentle moss
you are a monster
steady forum
i just have bad tab habits
i frequently have to thanos snap my tabs
in order to avoid eating all my ram
agile heart
same^
steady forum
its just that i normally reach the point where i have to thanos snap when it begins taking seconds to open tabs
instead of it being practically instant
by seconds i mean it could be over 5
undone berry
What even is the point in having multiple tabs?
many tabs
obviously I see the use in multiple, but when you have hundreds
gentle moss
i spin shit into new windows
sand goblet
Research is a big one
gentle moss
and tab cluster based on content
undone berry
it just seems like you're throwing away a resource you could use to organise research and stuff
steady forum
its mostly cos i middle click any link to read later
then read it later/watch the youtube video later
sand goblet
I have trees of tabs and most of them aren't loaded at the same time
steady forum
and then see like
undone berry
When I'm doing research I purge the useless tabs every now and then so I can access the useful ones
sand goblet
But I can get at them whenever
undone berry
I do the same
steady forum
or 3 of them, and click one in the same tab if im feeling efficient
undone berry
I do the same - I still never end up with 250
agile heart
Edge has this amazing option of setting aside tabs
Chrome doesn't have it by default(?)
sand goblet
I use Firefox with tree-style tabs
steady forum
i mean the 250 is an estimate based on the fact that there were a lot more than the last time i counted
undone berry
What does tree style tabs mean
steady forum
that being 189 tabs
undone berry
I can see a world where thats useful
undone berry
but I'm not sure if in envisioning it correctly
sand goblet
Into a tree
undone berry
Ok yeah, that sounds actually pretty great
sand goblet
And then you can collapse the tree to get it out of your way
undone berry
like multiple windows without the actual windows
agile heart
yeah that sounds great
forest swan
is that like an extension?
rough sapphire
Opera anyone ?
sand goblet
It is
agile heart
can't remember why I stopped using firefox
rough sapphire
Ok m alone using opera
agile heart
wait if it's an extension you could then get it on chrome too?
sand goblet
No
steady forum
i have two monitors so i have two chrome windows
sand goblet
Chrome doesn't expose the necessary APIs and integrations
steady forum
might also contribute to my bad tab habits
gentle moss
when i'm at work researching shit i'll have like 3-4 chrome windows open
but then again i have 4 monitors
sand goblet
I do also multi window
undone berry
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ I assume thats the extension?
sand goblet
And tree style tabs allows you to easily break a tree out into a window
Or close an entire tree
Yep
rough sapphire
Ok subtabs and all is cool . But does your browser have a feature to limit the ram usage rather than eating all of it ?
rough sapphire
Chrome will eat it all
undone berry
I installed it - my windows like flickered, and I thought I lost the stupid draw.io thing I've been working on for like 3 hours
and I was about to cry
but thankfully no
rough sapphire
Tryout opera gx . Its awesome
steady forum
i have 16gb ram
rough sapphire
oooh looks pretty
Atleast it doesnt eat your ram like a monster
gamer browser
i uh
@rough sapphire also, (X) Doubt seeing as it's based on Chromium
agile heart
lol didn't know gamer browser was a thing
steady forum
problem solved
rough sapphire
Totally love that feature alongside bandwidth limit
I was this years old.. when I found out such a thing as a 'gamer browser' exists
there's probably a theme for this on the chrome store..
sand goblet
It's so dumb
rough sapphire
Its so perfect
undone berry
I feel like a gamer anything-remotely-tech-related probably exists
sand goblet
If the improvements were that useful they would be in the main browser
Or contributed back to chromium
rough sapphire
Its still new . So probably not aware
sand goblet
It's not that new
sand goblet
Why do I give a shit about the chrome theme
rough sapphire
how old are you..
sand goblet
It's just back and bright red isn't it
undone berry
also - it looks like the standard shitty GAM3R aesthetic
sand goblet
Like every other "gamer" product
undone berry
which I'm not a fan of
rough sapphire
Popup windo2s does ur browser have that ?
steady forum
i set my chrome theme many years ago
sand goblet
Of course it has that
steady forum
i dont even remember when exactly i set it
but if i go back to a laptop i had in like 2008
its the same
rough sapphire
I filed bugs for chrome.. they never fixed those.. :<
Its not only read and black you can select your own color
Red*
steady forum
sand goblet
To be fair, opera is basically dead to any old hats anyway
rough sapphire
Its been years since i saw chrome
sand goblet
Opera used to be an extremely good power user browser
steady forum
wait it looks like the max year i couldve had this was 2012
steady forum
idk where the originally published date is
undone berry
Wasn't it originally a different engine?
sand goblet
Vivaldi is also chromium but it has quite a lot of power user features from the good old opera days
Yeah it was
undone berry
that became too expensive/difficult to maintain
sand goblet
Sure but they didn't have to get rid of all the power user features
Vivaldi is proof of that
rough sapphire
For me opera stays on top
undone berry
Thats fair
sand goblet
That's useless AG
rough sapphire
I have no clue about vivaldi
sand goblet
Vivaldi is another browser built by the team behind the original opera browser, after they left opera
Also based on chromium
undone berry
It actually seems like it has some cool features
sand goblet
It's actually quite a nice browser
rough sapphire
Inbuilt ad blockerrr
steady forum
vivaldi looks really nice
rough sapphire
Popup yt screen is quite useful
sand goblet
It also has a built in way to split the window across multiple tabs
rough sapphire
Opera have all that
sand goblet
Which is nice
The theme can also be set to adapt to whatever page you're looking at, dynamically
steady forum
tbh im already committed to chrome
undone berry
Vivaldi has a minimalistic user interface with basic icons and fonts, and a color scheme that changes based on the background and design of the web page being visited.[ just that sounds quite nice
sand goblet
It also supports doing that with Phillips hue for some reason..
sand goblet
It also has sidebar tabs built in, or you can have them at the bottom
On the right is a notes panel, but you can pin websites to that panel and quickly switch
It also has full support for custom mouse gestures and you can have it change the theme based on the time of day
undone berry
Are the basic keyboard shortcuts the same as chrome?
rough sapphire
no, they're gamer shortcuts
steady forum
lol
rough sapphire
steady forum
aaaaa opera gx looks stupid
undone berry
There are some shortcut differences between firefox and chrome that ocassionally throw me
undone berry
nah - imo it just looks stupid
rough sapphire
I really don't think it looks nice
forest swan
of course it is in black and red why wouldn't it be
steady forum
but vivaldi looks really nice
rough sapphire
You can change red and black
sand goblet
When I was using it there was an amusing bug where you'd hit the full screen button on, eg, a twitch stream
And instead of filling the screen it filled the viewport of the tab
It was unintentional but very useful and you could still hit F11 to actually go full screen
I wonder if they kept it
undone berry
Yeah, Twitch kinda has that with the theatre mode, but I really wish more places had it
sand goblet
I mean that was an example, it worked with most sites
undone berry
Yeah, I understood - I just wished sites built it in as a feature
gentle moss
https://www.twitch.tv/beehivekay/ - doing some music production using a friends vocals.
@pine vector
i told you i'd snitch
she's not here for next week either
pine vector
@gentle moss hehe. and let her know: no, i don't think that...seeing as i have zero evidence either way. 😄
gentle moss
i will not tell her that
pine vector
haha. kk
split latch
gaming browser™
wanton nexus
@autumn herald the more I get into Tartiflette, the more Graphene sucks ass in comparison
how can i come back to work tomorrow and continue writing Graphene code after this
:^(
autumn herald
Ahah
I'm with my friend rn, they're very pleased to read this
They say migrating from Graphene to Tartiflette is not hard
They should document it eh
wanton nexus
man, I'm not sure how to hook it all up w/ Flask and the rest of the stack we have
otherwise I'd probably at least give it a shot on some of my weekends
Graphene's pretty straightforward in that respect
autumn herald
It's meant to be used with asyncio, so people made bindings for aiohttp and starlette, flask being mostly used for synchronous code I don't think anyone made a tartiflette binding for it
sly swift
lesson number 2: idea must be a secret
your result must talk for you until you finish something
honest yacht
vestal briar
Why though
rough sapphire
because it's a gaming browser, wow
deep drum
gaming is not possible on linux 
vapid bluff
how fix? i tried everything per google. deleted SoftwareDistribution folder, stopped/restarted windows update service, restarted system. all multiple times
sand goblet
I don't see a problem
sand goblet
Oh, right
That can happen
Updates are meant to run in the background either way, just leave it and go about your day
It doesn't stop you from working, right?
vapid bluff
it's in a vm im prepping to switch over to as main install
so it's totally idle
never had any issues running updates here before
sand goblet
It isn't really an issue per se
Some updates are just slow to process
Like, really slow
I can't think of any good reason for it but it does happen
vapid bluff
there's literally nothing happening. no update related disk usage or network activity
nothings getting preallocated or downloaded
just a total standstill
rough sapphire
I am so sorry 😦
rough sapphire
what's better.. agile or waterfall?
I have no experience with either.. just wondering which one to pick and learn.. because I'm expected to learn more about swe development stuff
sand goblet
Probably agile
wanton nexus
@autumn herald
flask being mostly used for synchronous code
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
I could probably get it to work with Sanic, sooner or later, but then I'm not sure I wanna switch to asynchronous stuff with our project )-:
Time'll show
sand goblet
I don't really see why people are using sanic tbh
Async is kind of nice as a paradigm but it isn't super useful for Web work
It makes scaling a little easier but it doesn't really make requests faster
wanton nexus
@sand goblet I haven't worked much with ASGIs much, but the primary reason is probably web sockets and their mysterious ways. Aside from that, Sanic is actually benchmarked to be slower than Flask (https://github.com/the-benchmarker/web-frameworks)
sand goblet
Hmm, okay
solid pollen
I mean, if you care about speed, build you web server in C or Rust
rough sapphire
or asm :)
wanton nexus
at the same time, it depends on the benchmarking criteria, and i'm not sure how reasonable the link I dropped is. From what I understand, an async framework should handle significantly more requests per unit of time (though a single request is indeed not any faster)
solid pollen
@rough sapphire https://github.com/tsoding/wassm
I don’t even know how you can do networking in asm
Some crazy syscall all over the place i guess
wanton nexus
@solid pollen that... is actually quite impressive
rough sapphire
@wanton nexus Though, This project was created as a joke and an exercise in low level programming.
How does one have multiple accounts tied to the same device with different phone numbers? These accounts were all used in the same period / span of time.
solid pollen
@rough sapphire but it serve static html and css, so it does work
rough sapphire
it does work doesn't mean it should be used in production, though.
glacial sentinel
hi, could somebody pls help me? ive got a question about compilers (idk if this is the right place to ask)
solid pollen
The point was about the fact that it work, not about if it is reliable or even if it is fast
rough sapphire
@solid pollen Sure, but some people might not make the connection, so figured it should be said outright.
solid pollen
Well fair enough
rough sapphire
@glacial sentinel Go ahead and ask. I don't know much about compilers, but someone might!
glacial sentinel
thanks 🙂
My text book has an analysis-syntheses model for a compiler
The pink box below (Interpret and execute) is confusing me
cause I thought compilers dont execute the intermediate code?
shoundt it just synthesise the intermediate code and produce object code?
solid pollen
I think it could be in case you use procedurally generated code, like SQLite does for example
solid pollen
It is when you have code, that generate code
glacial sentinel
thx
this is a paragraph right udner the diagram
maybe that box is for the interpreter?
anwyays, thanks for the help 🙂
vestal briar
Doesn't seem right
Looks like a skewed view of an interpreter (not a compiler) as it seems to be
And that would be a transpiler specifically given the IR step seeing as you don't really interpret to an IR unless your IR is a vm's bytecode
solid pollen
Hey @tired plume why do you want a message ID?
tired plume
Hey.
Nothing in particular.
I know submissions and posts both have ID's.
Post's ID is in the URL but the Comment ID from the URL seems to throw an error with the API.
Just looking to see where you are meant to get the ID for a comment on Reddit.
tired plume
You misunderstand me.
That is using the 7 Digit ID to get the comment.
I want to use the comment on the website to get the 7 digit ID.
solid pollen
Oh yeah 😄
https://www.reddit.com/r/datasets/comments/91h8st/help_reddit_dataset_retrieve_comment_id/ This maybe?
tired plume
Again.
not what I need.
He already has the ID.
Imagine this:
https://gyazo.com/77201b55580949d7ee9d7167357bf014
I am on this submission, I see that first comment, I want to get it's ID.
That is what I am asking.
rough sapphire
the permalink button has the id
click on permalink, the last thing in the url is the id
alternatively, if you want it in a programmatic way, add .json to the end of a reddit link
you can get the id there as well
tired plume
Tried that. For submissions it works. For comments it throws me a 404 when using with praw.
You are talking about the link you get when you click 'share' right?
rough sapphire
no, permalink
solid pollen
There isn't an endpoint to get a detailed list of the comments?
rough sapphire
old.reddit.com
tired plume
Ah.
rough sapphire
i forgot new reddit is a thing (and how garbage it is)
tired plume
Agreed.
I always used to use old. But since mine always directs to new, I just leave it now.
rough sapphire
it's an option in your profile, I think
plucky ridge
🎶 Old man reddit, that old man reddit 🎶
solid pollen
It is that bad?
rough sapphire
it's also a couple of megabytes heavier
tired plume
Also a lot more JS running locally
rough sapphire
I just browse Reddit using a client.
undone berry
Like a desktop client?
If so - is there a reason why? Does it do much on top of what the website does?
lone parcel
why is this called sry lounge?
sand goblet
The names are picked at random from a list of like 500 possibilities every day
they all have some meaning though
gentle moss
sighs in broken apt-get dist-upgrade
sand goblet
Oh yeah, that thing I said was broken ages ago
gentle moss
i ran the 16.04 to 18.04 upgrade on 3 different VM's and it worked fine
it's only shit itself on my laptop
UEFI boot issue i think
but because the keyboard cluster is broken on the laptop, i have to use a USB keyboard to get bios access etc
if this is secure boot being a shit weasel i'm not going to be happy
pretty sure i put this laptop in legacy mode
gentle moss
think i got it
yaaaasssss
just had to enable UEFI and secure boot then register the EFI files with the boot manager
super dumb that happened though
gentle moss
i think the grub installed by 18.04 doesn't including boot support for legacy mode?
idk, seems a bit weird.
and this seems like a quicker fix than making legacy work
dusky orchid
i avoid dist upgrade these days, unfortunately
gentle moss
if it is a boot related issue i can see why it wasn't a problem on the VMs
dusky orchid
a lot of software love to hate unexpected distribution version changes
dusky orchid
hmmm
lets say it could never be configured again
because when it tried it was like THIS IS MEANT TO BE 16.04
thank you butter fingers
sand goblet
the solution to that problem is to not use ubuntu
gentle moss
plesk can be absolute garbage pretty often
dusky orchid
plesk was amazing when i was starting out man
sand goblet
I'm not saying you should use arch, but pick a rolling-release distro and stick to it
and you will never have these problems
dusky orchid
i love it in ways that only reminiscence can make you love something
dusky orchid
i way prefer it over cpanel
sand goblet
I don't see why you'd use either of them
gentle moss
plesk was my first confrontation with a broken linux system
it was a dark and stormy day
it was plesk on a redhat server
sand goblet
to be honest I don't see why you'd want to use any kind of HTTP server control panel
unless you're absolutely stuck with apache
dusky orchid
man, i hadn't even heard of nginx before at this point
gentle moss
thing is that RHEL server and the plesk was setup / configured by fasthosts
and it was a JOKE
i thought fasthosts were supposed to be good until i saw that
sand goblet
I agree, godaddy does sound as suspicious as it is
dusky orchid
godaddy shows you SINGLE HUMANS IN YOUR AREA
sand goblet
yup
by the way, I don't suppose either of you have experience with Vue or React or anything like that?
sand goblet
I'm finding Django to be a hilariously bad match for Vue
just because of how static files are structured
dusky orchid
back in the day i used to tinker with php
sand goblet
yeah, we've all been there
dusky orchid
that's the only other language i've played with on my own time
and i can't say i remembered any of it
sand goblet
the problem with django
dusky orchid
sand goblet
is you can't use JS modules, as in, the import statement
because you need to know where the file is
that you want to import
so you have to use static
but JS files are not templates
gentle moss
what the hell
dusky orchid
i feel like there's definitely some clearly defined method to use js with django
gentle moss
my battery icon has changed
dusky orchid
because i doubt django is rarely mixed with js
sand goblet
that's called an update, bisk
gentle moss
dusky orchid
lol, i mean used in real significant production use
gentle moss
dusky orchid
i like the first one
sand goblet
There are ways you can insert JS files into your template, sure
solid pollen
The second one is horrible
sand goblet
the whole point of the module system is that you don't need to do that
you have one JS file
gentle moss
do i go borg and adapt
sand goblet
and that imports everything else you need
dusky orchid
what app is this even
sand goblet
I feel almost like I should dump most of Django and just use it as a rest api and to serve the root template
sand goblet
I just can't think of a way around it
You don't know where a file is gonna be if you don't provide that file yourself
so how are you supposed to import it without static
dusky orchid
apparently js is included in static files
sand goblet
and even if you can get static into your JS somehow, your IDE will be unable to use it for completions
yes, but you can be using other django apps
you use static to ensure you always get the right file regardless of where it actually is
it's also necessary for stuff like images in vue components
and I don't think django has a way to just render templates on request automatically as if they were a static file
dusky orchid
not suuuure
since i'm still not super familiar with django in the first place
whenever i work with it i feel like i'm a small child stumbling along on their first steps
what makes django so good 
dusky orchid
angular isn't python
edgy magnet
after going in the dark and bushes
dusky orchid
lol
dusky orchid
the templating stuff is just jinja
so it's not like that's unique
the ORM is kinda super integrated
vapid bluff
@gentle moss what os are these icons in
dusky orchid
that could be a bonus to some people
vapid bluff
surely thats not ubuntu?
dusky orchid
yeah it's ubuntu
solid pollen
It is
sand goblet
I keep trying to find guides for using modules this way
vapid bluff
what the hell
sand goblet
but they're all from a JS ecosystem perspective
vapid bluff
since when does ubuntu look so ugly
sand goblet
rather than a django ecosystem perspective
gentle moss
@vapid bluff it's lubuntu
i suspect that ubuntu has overwritten some shit
in the patching
undone berry
I imagine whenever you're using Django and a front end framework, your Django ends up being just a rest api
gentle moss
it's lubuntu with a midnight dark 2 theme iirc
sand goblet
I don't necessarily want to go full frontend js
But yeah that is what I'm thinking tbh
dusky orchid
you still get the admin interface tho
sand goblet
Not very useful for my target
Useful for me, perhaps
But not having completion and such for the things I'm using is definitely a problem
Maybe I should just say fuck it and build the entire thing in Kotlin or something
That would give me the advantage of using the same language for frontend and backend
dusky orchid
do it in assembly
sand goblet
Oh but if I use Kotlin I have to worry about not using oracle's jvm
sand goblet
meh, I'm just gonna shelve it
wanton nexus
@rough sapphire
This project was created as a joke and an exercise in low level programming.
I mean, yes, but doesn't make it any less impressive (-:
Hello, fellers
rough sapphire
hey there
vapid bluff
sup
rough sapphire
🤔 don't know what that is
solid pollen
You don’t know starbucks?!
solid pollen
Yeah i realized my bad :p
rough sapphire
i need xcode for ios simulator
solid pollen
Well, so you know it isn’t going to work fine?
solid pollen
Macs only works fine next to coffee, preferably frappuccino
rough sapphire
😆 I've got coffee, it's all good
solid pollen
Okay perfect!
plucky ridge
The more pretentious the coffee, the better the mac will work
You can increase your load speeds by drinking it with your pinky out as well
oak tangle
I don't consider frappuccino to be a form of coffee, it's just a highly unhealthy, creamy, syrupy drink that has some coffee in it.
plucky ridge
I'd correct you but I'm out of breath from all the frapps
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge i've added some pumpkin spice to it, I hope that puts it over the threshold?
plucky ridge
You might want to worry about system cooling at that point
oak tangle
do you consider frappuccino to be pretentious?
oak tangle
Ah, actual coffee
plucky ridge
Or the ones that have like 15 different additions to it
"Half-caff, non-fat, no foam, more cream...."
rough sapphire
iunno what the thing is that i usually drink
oak tangle
Hmm, that just sounds like a hipster drink to me
rough sapphire
steamed milk, coffee, some sugar
solid pollen
Too simple, not sure the mac will like it
rough sapphire
i really don't care how it's prepared as long as i can get my fix of caffeine
the machine says "cappucino" but i don't speak italian
plucky ridge
Yeah that might be right
oak tangle
Americano is just espresso with added hot water
oak tangle
Yeah
solid pollen
That’s.. french
oak tangle
That just French for coffee with milk
solid pollen
Yeah
plucky ridge
Right
But in America it typically means something more significant
Because to us, French sounding words are both fancy and pretentious
oak tangle
Right
plucky ridge
Just a little look into the stupid world of the US
rough sapphire
what about estonian? i'm gonna start calling my coffe with milk "kohv piimaga"
oak tangle
We have things we call "latte macchiato", "cappuccino", and "espresso macchiato"
plucky ridge
Maybe I am thinking latte...
Dude I don't know
I worked at a coffee shop for a week when I was like 15
And it's also why I will never work food service again
Hated it
solid pollen
French isn’t fancy and pretentious
plucky ridge
To Americans
oak tangle
Hmm, it used to be that almost everywhere in Europe
It was the chosen language of the nobility
solid pollen
Like if i say “salut les amis comment ça va aujourd’hui” does that sound fancy and pretentious?
plucky ridge
Well yeah, the Normans fucking dominated left and right for a time
You kind of just take the language you're forced to use at that point
oak tangle
I don't speak French well, but I still understand that sentence
Highschool is a long time ago
frosty berry
it's way too correct to be something people actually say 😛
plucky ridge
Ah HA
frosty berry
(well, aside missing a comma)
frosty berry
it's like saying "hello my friends, how are you today?" people will usually have some kind of "howdy?" instead.
plucky ridge
"Sup"
frosty berry
yeah, and these variations, behing specific to places, will be cultural identifiers
oak tangle
Man, this keyboard doesn't help
plucky ridge
Sure sure
vapid bluff
le sup?
plucky ridge
Look ya'll, I don't speak yer frenchy french moon language
solid pollen
What keyboard do you have?
plucky ridge
I just had to throw that in there
oak tangle
A Ducky One, US lay-out
autumn herald
Akarys, if you say this, you will sound like a scout boy
plucky ridge
HA
solid pollen
Yeah a bit
solid pollen
Hmm na
oak tangle
Hey man, alles goed?
autumn herald
[insert slangs or diminutives before smacking cheeks]
Source : i'm french and i'm cool
solid pollen
I'm more classic "ça va?"
oak tangle
Comparing languages is interesting, but informal language is difficult
oak tangle
English is crazy
solid pollen
French is way worst
plucky ridge
In which most people seem to know it from the shit tons of pop culture stuff we vomit across the world
oak tangle
Especially regional dialects in Great-Britain
autumn herald
You have an example ?
solid pollen
We have regional dialects, and I'm pretty sure they are as bad as yours :p
plucky ridge
"Apples and pears" for stairs, "Rubbity dub" for pub
autumn herald
Wut
plucky ridge
"Busy bee" for general theory of relativity
solid pollen
Apples and.. Pear?!
autumn herald
I don't beliebe u
oak tangle
Oh, we have a lot of regional dialects as well. Some are occasionally classified as separate languages
oak tangle
This is a song (it's terrible) in a Dutch regional dialect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47QG6vF-JzM
plucky ridge
Needs more dacca?
Oh nice
OH RIGHT, Aussies have tons of cool stuff like that too
Need to get Scrags in on this
oak tangle
bottle-o
autumn herald
Is Dutch regional dialects are as bad as the Flemmish ones
plucky ridge
I'm more just surprised that the apples and pears thing was legit
autumn herald
Guys there can have different dialect if they're from from different village
30 km -> new dialect
oak tangle
We used to have that here, but, with increased communication, that's no longer really the case
You can probably still distinguish the pronunciation between major cities
Like, there's a noticeable difference between The Hague, Rotterdam, and Leiden
Which are all cities located fairly close to each other
It used to be far worse
A town like Scheveningen, now a part of The Hague, truly had its own separate dialect
My (great)grandparents still speak it and my mother still understands it
I can't really
And I live roughly 20 km from there
maybe even less
gentle moss
UK's a minefield of dialect
it is entirely possible from someone from the south to not understand a single word that comes out a northern's mouth
@sand goblet
re: my boot issue
i don't actually think it was the 18.04 update
i suspect it's actually the firmware of the laptop
still very curious though
plucky ridge
Okay so
I'm doing an experiment
I made some apple cider (not made, it's one of those K-cup things) and just added a tea bag to it
I have no idea how this will go
At current steepage, I can't really taste the tea
So that's a bit disappointing
Cider is probably preventing it from diffusing
gentle moss
hmmm
is alcohol polar or non-polar
i think water is non-polar and alcohol is polar
plucky ridge
Water is polar
gentle moss
is it?
gentle moss
hmm
plucky ridge
You know how it has that Mickey Mouse shape?
gentle moss
yeah
plucky ridge
The side with the Hydrogens makes it more positive, while the more Oxygen side is more negative