Since I won't be there most of the time
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
edgy magnet
remote assistance? No worries, install teamviewer / anydesk on that laptop as well
Ok imma stop with that idea
fallen sparrow
What kind of 'cheap' are we talking about? Makes a big difference e.g 100 to 200 to 300
sand goblet
I don't have an exact range at the moment since I'm not the one paying for it
rough sapphire
sand goblet
It's going to be a Christmas thing for my grandfather, two sonos speakers
I was thinking the play:5 and the sonos one
rough sapphire
play:5?
rough sapphire
Ah, gotcha
fallen sparrow
Wow it's so odd seeing bezels that size nowadays
rough sapphire
I never got into bluetooth speakers
sand goblet
Haha
rough sapphire
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sand goblet
It's not Bluetooth
That's one of the things they expressly didn't want to add
They're WiFi speakers that play music on their own and are controlled by an app
rough sapphire
Oh no
sand goblet
So you link your Spotify, speakers now play Spotify
Or your bandcamp, plex, soundcloud, whatever
rough sapphire
I was just ranting to the SO about that the other day
How everything has an app now
sand goblet
Well I dunno how else you'd control these
Bluetooth is terrible for audio so I see why they did it
rough sapphire
How is Bluetooth terrible for audio?
sand goblet
Plus you'll never have a call with your mom blasting over the powerful subwoofer
rough sapphire
Bluetooth headphones do it just fine
rough sapphire
I mean, I don't really think it's that big of a deal.
sand goblet
It is when you have a speaker setup as high quality as this
rough sapphire
It's the same thing as vinyl technically sounds better than CDs, but you don't see vinyl being released as crazy as it was in the 80's.
sand goblet
And of course hassio integrates with it too
rough sapphire
I just don't see a reason to add another app for a speaker.
sand goblet
It's less of a speaker and more of an actual media system
rough sapphire
I mean, I don't see the reason to add another app for a lot of places.
My argument is that unless it's something that I'll use quite frequently, and isn't tracking me, then sure - I'll use it, no problem.
sand goblet
Like, you can group speakers together or pair mono speakers into stereo, for example
The One has alexa built in
rough sapphire
But when you've got the Walmart/McDonald's/Burger King/AT&T/whatever else there is, app, and it's for 5% off this, or 10% off this, it doesn't matter.
sand goblet
Also don't you listen to music?
rough sapphire
I mean, am I gonna throw $50 at Burger King to get 10% off ( $5! )? That's just silly.
Sure I do. I've got a pair of Bluetooth headphones too.
sand goblet
Headphones have nothing on a decent speaker setup though
They kind of suck for parties too
Haha
edgy magnet
Did I just see caravan palace
sand goblet
Yup
edgy magnet
Good music taste I approve
rough sapphire
I don't see the reason for an app, honestly. If they're speakers, you're going to be listening to them in the same area you are.
sand goblet
Most speakers don't have a screen
rough sapphire
So it just involves you grabbing your phone and switching the song ( Smart TV, PS4 Spotify integration, whatever else you use ), or physically walking up and changing the volume on whatever it is you're listening on.
Heck, you probably won't even need to do that. If you're using a smart tv or the like, grab the remote lol.
They won't need a screen. Most speakers should be connected to some kind of system that allows you to change the volume. ๐
sand goblet
That makes no sense
Why would you want an entirely separate system for that
Why would you want to go through the login process for all your accounts on a speaker?
rough sapphire
Plus, to add to the reasoning, the S in IoT stands for security. Connecting speakers up to an app is just asking for trouble.
What?
Why would you want to go through the login process for all your devices on a speaker?
sand goblet
Accounts, my net died
sand goblet
Because it's a player?
I'm not home so I can't show you the full list but I'd like you to find an amplifier that can easily play from as many services as sonos can
rough sapphire
I'm talking about a simple speaker setup. A basic system with a volume knob that connects to speakers.
sand goblet
Or even anything on your phone that can make a playlist of songs from more than one service
rough sapphire
What the speakers are connected to doesn't matter.
rough sapphire
That's the thing, is it's not a matter of "Look at how many services these speakers provide.", it's more a matter of shifting away from the speakers themselves and what's connected to them - like a smart tv, a PS4, or whatever else. You could also just buy some cheap bluetooth speakers ( Less than $50? ) and be done with it.
sand goblet
There's nothing connected directly to the sonos
Aside from the power
Or an ethernet if your setup suits that
rough sapphire
Also, what's the price point on these things?
sand goblet
Not cheap
rough sapphire
Yeah, another reason I'd suggest Bluetooth speakers ๐
sand goblet
Hey man, if I'm at a party I don't want to leave my phone lying around
If I'm going for a piss my phone is coming with me
In your case, so is the music
Haha
rough sapphire
Eh?
Leave the Bluetooth speakers in the living room, and you can bring your phone with you.
Bluetooth reaches pretty far
sand goblet
Does your house have like paper walls or something
Well okay, I guess not everyone has concrete walls like we do
sand goblet
Also how do you solve the problem of playing on multiple speakers?
rough sapphire
I've never needed to do that
sand goblet
Considering they'd be in different parts of the house, too, so you can't wire them in
rough sapphire
they'd?
sand goblet
The multiple speakers
You couldn't even use two phones, Spotify mandates only one output at once
rough sapphire
For a more professional setup, they'd be wired and have a central location for the music. But I'm also arguing for a $50 ( or cheaper ) Bluetooth speaker - while you're arguing for a speaker setup 10 times the price.
So I would hope a $499+ speaker setup was better.
sand goblet
Yep, a professional sounding setup with a central hub for the music
Low power consumption when not in use as well
They do have portable Bluetooth ones too, but eh
rough sapphire
I just can't say that I've ever wanted to spend $499, let alone half that, for speakers. Always been headphones for me.
sand goblet
I don't really like headphones for music
I use them when I'm on voice chat
I have Bluetooth earphones and a Bluetooth speaker for when I'm out or at work
But I'd really rather use a proper speaker
Six drivers, six amplifiers, 3 tweeters and 3 woofers
They do other stuff as well like sound bars and solutions for in-wall speakers, or adapters for analogue sources
sand goblet
Right then, let's see if the guy sent me the DNS details..
"transfer away please"
Fine by me!
sand goblet
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/30/amazon_prime_payment_page_ux_badness/
Amazon has been rapped by Britain's advertising watchdog after its baffling online payments page duped customers into signing up for an Prime subscription as they tried to pay for goods.
The trick, which falls squarely within the online category of "dark UX", was designed to confuse Amazon users into signing up for the ยฃ8/month (ยฃ96/year) service.
Seven people complained after being confronted with the confusing payment options โ and now Amazon has been ordered not to display the misleading boxes again.
sand goblet
oh man, I just saw @summer rampart's status
all it needs is a 
preferably a slightly better gif..
I think it's time I learned Vue
solid pollen
The gif doesn't play, ELA had it
sand goblet
it does if you click on the user
but yeah, you're right
ELA had the pipenv spinner, I think
summer rampart
no nitro for that, I think ELA had that loading emoji and not the pipenv spinner though
sand goblet
I saw him like a few minutes before that message with the pipenv spinner at least, haha
yeah, see, pipenv spinner
:>
solid pollen
Where?
rough sapphire
It's all about the humanity.
sand goblet
well, even Cher hates her old stuff
shell raptor
If you have a global variable called problems, you can use it like this:
def ...():
global problems
cosmic spire
damn
fallen sparrow
Doesn't work for me
>>> problems = eval('{'*100 + '}'*100)
s_push: parser stack overflow
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
MemoryError
๐
sand goblet
that's not really appropriate
golden walrus
@shell raptor del problems
vestal meteor
@pale egret context managers call defined __enter__ and __exit__ methods when you enter the block and then exit it
for file objects the __exit__ is defined as .close()
solid pollen
Hmm the question is does __exit__ call close or it point to close directly ๐ค ๐
vestal meteor
good question
pale egret
nobody told me this we always used open() and close() at uni
vestal meteor
__exit__?
robust sierra
server is at lvl 3 boost now we have vanity url yay hurrah yay
plucky ridge
I mean.... We had that anyway since we're Discord Partners
robust sierra
ik i was joking lol
plucky ridge
Oh der right
fallen sparrow
URL now with extra vanity
plucky ridge
๐ถ You probably think this website's about you ๐ถ
sly swift
can you create a statement without print statement
sand goblet
Pretty much every line in python is a statement, yes
plucky ridge
I just finished Kingdom Hearts 3 and all I feel is empty inside
The last part of the game has left me unsatisfied and just.... numb
plucky ridge
Honestly, before the shit ton of filler games, when it was just 1 and 2, yes
But there were just so many loose ends to tie up, and so many people we're supposed to care about
And the main characters of the series just took the back seat
And the ending battles were just.... unfulfilling
plucky ridge
Don't get me wrong, the series is a blast to play. It just got a severe case of Square-Enix overly convoluted story syndrome
And KH3's game mechanics are the cleanest and most satisfying of the whole series. But jesus.. The ending just fell flat on its face for me
rough sapphire
Yeah, if an ending is garbage - there's no reason to play the game.
plucky ridge
Eh that's debatable
rough sapphire
It's like Borderlands 2 and how ||it ended with a "THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER GAME!". Made me not care for the series at all, and haven't touched it since.||
plucky ridge
I've played some fantastic games with endings that just eh
The new God of War for example
rough sapphire
I never cared for the GoW series, either.
plucky ridge
Oh it's nothing like the old ones
It's an adventure, it's great
The ending is just sort of weak. Not discouraging like KH3's was for me, but just kind of "oh cool"
But that whole game was worth it
rough sapphire
I've seen what the Switch has to offer, but outside of LoZ: BoTW, there's nothing I really care for.
A game has to be amazing for me to really care about it
plucky ridge
So long as there's enough fun that I feel like I got my money's worth, I'm good.
rough sapphire
For example, the re-done version of Link's Awakening looks like Link is looking straight into your soul, and the aesthetic is all wrong.
plucky ridge
I'll agree with you there. I played the crap out of that game when I was a kid. But it just looks.... wrong with the style they chose
rough sapphire
I was so aggitated by that game too. ||IT WAS ALL A DREAM. I WAS DEVASTATED||
||But then again, it's literally called Link's Awakening.||
plucky ridge
I think I was more bothered by "So wait, he's just sitting on a plank? He's going to get eaten by a shark, isn't he."
plucky ridge
I feel like I enjoyed the whole package of Awakening more, but I certainly still loved the Oracles
rough sapphire
Link To The Past will always be my favorite
plucky ridge
Link Between Worlds was a solid homage
rough sapphire
Link Between Worlds was trash poorly done, and the ending ||was lackluster and rushed.||
plucky ridge
What parts were poorly done in your eyes?
rough sapphire
Well, the Tower of Hera being a colloseum is great, unless you realize what it is fairly far in the game and the cash is useless because you've gotten the money in other ways.
The renting system isn't that great, as you can rent things you don't even need yet
plucky ridge
It was good for paying off the rest of the items
And yeah, the renting was a little dumb, but I feel like they finally took a chance with something after so long of serving the same formula to us
rough sapphire
The octorok children was poorly setup, and had you running around looking for 100 useless things for upgrades you should have gotten another way.
plucky ridge
I'm fine with them trying a few new things and some of them not being overly great
rough sapphire
I enjoyed they brought back the assistant on the broom, but she didn't really do anything.
plucky ridge
Did she have to?
The 2d ones have always been about the adventure and not as much the characters
rough sapphire
You find out ||she's a sage||, and was a simple replacement for the bird. You also didn't get the ability to run into her like in older games she was introduced in, which would have been a great way to get upgrades to some of your items.
Just seemed rushed, and more like Minish Cap.
plucky ridge
I feel the opposite. There felt like there was a lot of love and detail that went into it
rough sapphire
But then again, I'm the type of person that thinks Ocarina of Time was trash and was only a 3D version of Link To The Past.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
( 3 pendants? Check. Light/dark world? Check. Multiple crystals/sages you have to get in order to unlock the final area? Check )
๐
plucky ridge
You do realize you just stated the story for MOST of the Zelda games post-LtoP
rough sapphire
I don't think so. Skyward Sword, Wind Waker, Breath of The Wild..?
There's far more similarities between OoT and LTTP then any of the others
plucky ridge
Minish Cap had the big/small, Twilight Princess had, well, twilight. The oracles had their time shifting and season changes
tulip palm
just stumbled upon this channel and immediately thought that twilight princess was supposed to be the name of some chinese knock-off for twilight sparkle from mlp
rough sapphire
I lol'd
tulip palm
carry on
shrewd turret
Hi ๐
rough sapphire
Python is a lot better than Java, as Java is a lot of boilerplate
vestal meteor
we're in #python-discussion
oak tangle
Ah, it's time for spooky skeleton stories again. Halloween is here.
rough sapphire
Long ago the soul of Philip Defranco haunted a person of the Python Discord channel. To this day we have no clue who it could be. It could even be... me!
golden walrus
spooky skeleton doot pumpkin halloween jack-o-lantern danger
rough sapphire
That's disappointing
rough sapphire
what's the apache license..
I just want to be very clear I can use this thing I saw for commercial purposes
is anyone familiar with kafka
im wondering what retention period affects whether data can be queried online later.. broker-level or topic-level
thorn snow
finally weekend
and yes, it is Thursday, but we have a bank Holiday tomorrow
Because it's All Saint's
gentle moss
we do not have one for all saint's day
thorn snow
I think the term well established workers rights fits more than christian background
sand goblet
we don't have one either
frosty berry
hm, it might be more specific to catholic countries
sand goblet
catholic country here
thorn snow
because the US does not have a lot of banking holidays for christian events
frosty berry
interesting
sand goblet
well bisk and I aren't in the US either
gentle moss
couldn't make up their fucking mind country here
frosty berry
๐
sand goblet
these are our bank holidays this year
thorn snow
what country?
sand goblet
Ireland
thorn snow
ah an Irish lad
sand goblet
nope, I'm English
gentle moss
he's a traitor
sand goblet
who's the real traitor here
thorn snow
For Germany
sand goblet
that is a ridiculous amount of holidays
thorn snow
Some are regional only, like the next one on 20th Nov.
that is Saxony only
Where I live, it is based on the town you live in
If it is protestant, it is a bank holiday
BUt most of Bavaria is catholic, so I am fucked
sand goblet
that's a silly policy imo
I mean if your religion mandates worship days here then you can legally take them
why not just let people do that
thorn snow
Because Germans need to regulate everything
sand goblet
and in france the government outright decides what days you work
frosty berry
i'm fine with everybody having holidays for everybody's religions, though government are usually not too much on board with the idea ๐
gentle moss
i'm pissed off the scottish / irish get extra bank holidays
it's like... grrrr
curse them
sand goblet
well clearly you're in the wrong country aren't you
:>
you're a traitor
a traitor to yourself
thorn snow
We also have 28 days regular holiday
and if you become sick in your holiday, you get the days back
I thinnk I better run now
undone berry
i'm pissed off the scottish / irish get extra bank holidays labour policy is for another bank holiday
gentle moss
as if national policy really means much at the moment
tired osprey
Did somebody say Bavarian Catholic holidays like the one tomorrow are the best thing ever
sly swift
happy halloween guys
plucky ridge
You as well
sly swift
He is probably seaching for def function up there ๐
sly swift
I'm too small , I probably can't reach that high
rough sapphire
no problem m here
me - "What are you searching up there ?"
him - "nothing just thinking why this is giving a syntax error "
solid pollen
He is looking for his girlfriend probably
sly swift
lol
rough sapphire
him - "this is my fav. function like my girlfriend , just like her this is causing issues"
sly swift
He is hiding his face from javascript
solid pollen
I dunno what is he doing atm
Oh he is talking http on the other ot channel
Boring stuff
sly swift
probably finding something
rough sapphire
him - " got it , coming down now "
solid pollen
And talking politic on the first ot channel
rough sapphire
me - "you are gonna fall "
solid pollen
Classic day for him
rough sapphire
solid pollen
He doesn't even bother going in this channel
Pfff
He is supposed to be the king of the off topic
sly swift
I thought he passed out
why that dude keep saying don't move, the guy is not even moving
gentle moss
pfft, you drive home from work and everyone assumes you're not the king anymore
frosty berry
king? i didn't vote for you!
vestal briar
Ahh troll!
frosty berry
\o/
oak tangle
haha that's amazing
frosty berry
how cold?
fervent dock
lilac glade
tfw it's ~70 outside and you're chewing on ice to cool down.
frosty berry
which unit? Cยฐ ? -70 would probably be multiple jackets cold indeed
ebon geode
F*
frosty berry
depends if windy or not i guess
lilac glade
frosty berry
10Cยฐ that's not cold
lilac glade
Mayhaps I should convert.
ebon geode
depends where u live
i live in ||houston||
some people could live in diff places
but yeah it's pretty cold
considiring i didnt bring a jacket to school today :)
undone berry
10c is still t shirt weather imo
ebon geode
10*C? how much is that?
frosty berry
50F
frosty berry
even 0Cยฐ is tshirt weather
frosty berry
i was used to be out in snow and wind by -5 or so when i was a teen
oak tangle
How's the humidity?
frosty berry
well, when it's snowing, pretty high
ebon geode
eh bad i think
frosty berry
but we never get that in paris
oak tangle
One of the coldest nights I ever had was when it wasn't even that cold, 1ยฐ C, when we had to camp next to a ln icy lake in Norway.
ebon geode
At 8AM tomorrow, it's going to be 36*F!! Lowest We've had in houston this week
which is really impressive
amber glacier
vestal briar
Nice spam
amber glacier
Not spam.
rough sapphire
100% spam
frosty berry
๐ ๐คฃ
lime gazelle
ok, big question time:
say there's something you like. Makes you go "woah, dass cool! 
"
BUT you can't do it. You've tried, and it just doesn't work.
What do? It's wise to give up, since no matter how effort you put in it'll never work out?
gentle moss
nah
wooden silo
well, for one thing, there's no way for you to know that it'll never work out
So that point is moot
lime gazelle
well, I've tried both drawing and playing the keyboard
gentle moss
wrong use of moot there
wooden silo
Unless you're talking about something like doing magic.
lime gazelle
didn't work out
lime gazelle
Drawing I try on and off periodically, getting hella discouraged when I can't do something basic
gentle moss
they're built upon skills that 100% can be learned
lime gazelle
like, say, shading a cube.
piano I've tried for a month but I don't have the finger dexterity or the hand independence to do the exercises
wooden silo
@gentle moss "of little or no practical value, meaning, or relevance; purely academic"
lime gazelle
if I play just with the right hand it can be half decent, but anything more is hell no for me
plucky ridge
Learning how to do piano and getting the finger dexterity and strength can take years
Don't get discouraged
wooden silo
@lime gazelle Of course those things can be learned. I'd argue that both of those things is something that literally anybody can learn with sufficient practice.
gentle moss
yup
lime gazelle
I've tried, with guitar too
gentle moss
i have been trying to teach myself piano a bit more over the last 2 years
still shit but better
wooden silo
I know you've tried, but that's irrelevant to whether you're able to learn it or not.
lime gazelle
did you have any problems with your left hand bisk?
wooden silo
I mean, I can try to run my code and get a syntax error. That doesn't prove that my code will never ever run.
lime gazelle
I know what you mena it's just hella discouraging
plucky ridge
Take every small step forward as a victory
gentle moss
i have problems having independence between my two hands
but last year i couldn't do a walking bass line with some chords on top and now i kind of can
with a lot of effort
lime gazelle
I can't even play solo left 
plucky ridge
I have a hard time keeping my hands and my feet in sync
I can't do a drum kit because of it
lime gazelle
Like I've heard about the approach "practice both hands as if they're two different pieces"
but the left just won't budge
plucky ridge
Start it really slow
gentle moss
practice
plucky ridge
Like half speed
lime gazelle
@plucky ridge drums are v cool!
plucky ridge
Then slowly build it up
And honestly I can't really say much about this, I played clarinet back in high school
Did well enough though. Was usually first or second chair
But it was a very small band program
gentle moss
noice
plucky ridge
Sometimes I miss it, or at least the reeds
wooden silo
You also don't need to become the world's greatest clarinet player for it to be worth your while.
plucky ridge
Yep
lime gazelle
a stupid question then: why do something, when nobody knows you're doing it?
plucky ridge
So long as you're enjoying yourself, that's really all that matters
wooden silo
Unless you're Naruto Uzumaki.
plucky ridge
Because you like doing it
lime gazelle
I'm always under the impression that skills need to be shown
gentle moss
hah, no
plucky ridge
Eh, not really true at all
wooden silo
@lime gazelle Because it's fun.
gentle moss
i kept being good at bass to myself for ages
plucky ridge
I'm great at carrying all the groceries into the house in one go
But that's all for me
gentle moss
i didn't even let it get out intentionally. went to do a job fixing someone's PC and they had a bass rig so i had a little jam
wooden silo
if something is fun, that's immediately sufficient justification for doing it, no matter the context,
gentle moss
turns out he was a bassist for a band or something and started spreading positive shit about me
plucky ridge
Depends
wooden silo
Yes, sometimes that's true.
plucky ridge
But yeah, it can be discouraging
wooden silo
That doesn't mean you need to do it in front of people.
plucky ridge
But when you get over that hump it becomes so satisfying
Coding is a perfect example
wooden silo
I'm good at programming, and I get immense satisfaction from doing projects by myself at home, that never see the light of day.
lime gazelle
I haven't touched code in ages! 
plucky ridge
When you break through and understand a concept or apply something you learned, it's awesome
lime gazelle
there's so much stuff I've left to rot, really..
wooden silo
I've got tons of projects I never showed anybody.
plucky ridge
Or heck, getting really good at video games (single player ones)
wooden silo
But building them was still super fun.
Engaging with a community and showing off your skills can be fun too, though.
lime gazelle
Like
wooden silo
It's just not a necessity.
lime gazelle
My reasoning is: if I'm good at something, I'll show it, and people will like it
I want people to like what I do, I think
wooden silo
That's an aspect of it.
plucky ridge
That's essentially what we do here as helpers and what not. But a lot of us also just love to code
wooden silo
It's not everything, but it's one side of learning.
plucky ridge
In the end, it should still be for you
gentle moss
^
plucky ridge
Other people come and go, are fickle with what they like or don't like, etc.
You're the constant in the situation. Why do something if you hate it?
lime gazelle
Because I don't know what I like?
plucky ridge
(Unless it's homework, stay in school kids)
Then you try all kinds of things. Even when you're discouraged with something like playing piano, if you still feel that satisfaction, you'll know you want to keep going
lime gazelle
Truly, I'd rather stay in bed and watch youtube/read mangas than do anything productive
plucky ridge
I get frustrated with computers all the time, but they're my absolute passion
wooden silo
@lime gazelle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification
gentle moss
ยฌ_ยฌ
i was about to write something that would've totally meshed with that
but really not appropriate
wooden silo
Here staying in bed and reading manga is "immediate gratification", and learning to play the guitar is "delayed gratification".
wooden silo
the reason I ask is because fighting the temptation of immediate gratification is something I had more trouble with when I was younger
lime gazelle
it's not like I like reading mangas/watching YT videos either.
plucky ridge
There might also be another part to that.
wooden silo
And valuing and investing in delayed gratification is something that became easier as I grew older
plucky ridge
There's a possibility you might also just have depression. Not finding enjoyment in things you used to enjoy is one of the potential symptoms, and one I've struggled with for years
lime gazelle
I have tons of YT playlist that I've never finished to watch, because I lost interest/forgot about them
even stuff I enjoy, emulators and stuff, I'm not working on any of it.
wooden silo
This is something that everyone struggles with, to different degrees
plucky ridge
It might be worth talking to a doc about, if you feel it's interfering with your life
And yeah, true
lime gazelle
eh I'm going to a therapist, I've been going to docs for almost all my life
wooden silo
I've experienced this constantly throughout my life
lime gazelle
from 6 to 18 and now for a year
plucky ridge
Is this something you've brought up with them?
And I apologize if these questions are too prying
lime gazelle
that I don't enjoy anything? I don't remember if I did
plucky ridge
I just think it's worth mentioning to someone like that, especially if you already have the resource at hand, you know?
lime gazelle
yeah
plucky ridge
Could help you get the ball rolling in the right direction
lime gazelle
I felt like art/music would pull me out, you know?
Like, it would be a nice break to the monotony of my work/school lif
wooden silo
There probably is no silver bullet that will fix your problems automatically, but trying to find a hobby or passion is a good idea
golden walrus
@lime gazelle I can't give you real advice on what to or why you are like that but for many years I was in your situation
wooden silo
Don't get discouraged if the first thing you try doesn't resonate with you immediately
golden walrus
in fact, until I turned 25, and I didn't realize about it
lime gazelle
it's not like it doesn't resonate. Music and art are cool, I feel like it'd be cool to be able to do that.
Whip out a sketchbook and draw just for the fun of it, would be v peaceful
wooden silo
Maybe try managing your expectations, also
Don't expect to get amazing results in short order
lime gazelle
that, I certainly don't
wooden silo
Set small goals
golden walrus
idk
don't leave it to luck
but it took me even a lot longer than that to find a passion
wooden silo
Speaking of art
lime gazelle
I liked fighting!
wooden silo
@lime gazelle There was a talk here at PyCon Sweden about Processing.py.
lime gazelle
that, I feel, was a thing I really liked
golden walrus
only this year I started with programming which is something I've always loved
wooden silo
Did you try making procedural art?
golden walrus
but I didn't because I didn't feel like it
lime gazelle
not at all!
wooden silo
It seems pretty approachable
lime gazelle
hm
I have a book about algorithms
I wanted to do something like that, but never got around to actually do it
wooden silo
The guy made some super cool stuff very quickly and easily'
golden walrus
generative art is fun
lime gazelle
sounds interesting!
golden walrus
I didn't know there was a Processing.py
wooden silo
It compiles Python to Java, as I understand it
golden walrus
or is. it p5py?
lime gazelle
honestly I wanna go back to fighting
lime gazelle
and well, maybe that will give me the necessary uh...jerk to progress with stuff
wooden silo
Nope, just street fighting
lime gazelle
martial arts ๐
plucky ridge
HADUKEN
lime gazelle
well, thanks for the suggestion @wooden silo I'll read some tutorials on processing
plucky ridge
Manu, that is amazing
golden walrus
lmao the reaction?
lime gazelle
https://miro.medium.com/max/8000/1*zMSR6lwGpWySHyxC5kagFA.jpeg
this looks hella nice!
plucky ridge
Yeah
wooden silo
Yeah, it's great for that kind of stuff
plucky ridge
As I saw the arrows showing up I just started cracking up
plucky ridge
Don't work too hard
wooden silo
@lime gazelle https://www.openprocessing.org/browse/#
Here's tons of examples of what you can do with it
And you can create your own sketches on there apparently
wooden silo
And you can see the code for all those sketches
wooden silo
It's worth a shot
Also, even if you don't manage to stick to it, it's always ok to forgive yourself for that, and just get back on the horse and try again
Not sticking to a commitment is not something to beat yourself up about
wooden silo
There are no awards for how many commitments you stick to or not. The only thing that matters is how you move forward.
If you fail, just put it behind you and try again. Or try something else.
lime gazelle
I feel like there is something that would scratch all my itches: gamedev
but then again, same thing: why make a game that nobody will play?
sand goblet
For yourself?
sand goblet
Also, did you think Notch thought Minecraft would take off?
wooden silo
And again, you can't know whether others will play it or not
You definitely can't know that nobody will ever play any game you will ever make
gentle moss
unless it's a metal gear pachinko machine
lime gazelle
idk what I want to doo
gentle moss
you can be sure no one would want to play that
wooden silo
Every gamedev makes tons of games that nobody plays before they make the first one that others do play
lime gazelle
gamedev would just be a way to roll art, music and coding all into one
wooden silo
Yeah, so what's wrong with that?
sand goblet
Gotta learn somehow
wooden silo
You don't need to know anything before you start
sand goblet
This seems like good motivation
wooden silo
You could make procedural art with an audio component too
wooden silo
Aren't you happy you were born into a universe with all of this inside it?
lime gazelle
kind of
when I have too many things I start to not be consistent and jump around
and eventually (in a week or so) forget about the stuff I was doing.
plucky ridge
That's why I can't play MMO's. My attention span for games is about 2 weeks or so
Python is probably the thing I've stuck with the longest
lime gazelle
ouch
sand goblet
Womp womp
solid pollen
Oh the docs looks so much better like this ๐
sand goblet
something doesn't seem right about this..
solid pollen
Hmmm
sand goblet
How's that download
solid pollen
Finished
But my raspberry is connected to my screen atm
I just wait for the install to finish, install an SSH server and I'm good to go
sand goblet
Aight
vapid bluff
is this the game with the sentient trash cans
sand goblet
I don't think so no
in this one you played as a robber and went robbin' places
set to a surprisingly odd soundtrack
this is the track I remember most from it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nobjzG9D5RM&list=PLB0xooEkKbSZ3RN3BXF1xOh9LxQzkslNU&index=4
sand goblet
decidedly nefarious-sounding
this is the sound of @gentle moss walking down the street
gentle moss
not terrible walking down the street music
sand goblet
haha
sand goblet
haha, yeah, they did
these games weren't well-received
although I enjoyed this one as a kid
was pretty hard though
had 2 player coop as well
rough sapphire
didn't realise you were a time lord @sand goblet
gentle moss
i have just accidentally made myself a boiling hot cup of stock
thought the gf made chicken soup but it's just stock
:|
gentle moss
i used a little bit of a stock cube, some flour and then some garlic and pepper
plucky ridge
Well okay, bread, oven, crouton
gentle moss
it is an okay soup
plucky ridge
Oh fair enough
gentle moss
considering it was just stock before
wintry birch
I still need to know why lemon has an idiot proof rice cookery
plucky ridge
Huh?
gentle moss
i think it was something less rice cookery than that
like just measure shit right and don't fuck it up
good advice
plucky ridge
Fair
And make sure you wash the crap out of your rice
Gives it a much fresher flavor
gentle moss
less starchy something or whatever too
rough sapphire
i didn't realise you could fuck up rice
other than just making an ungodly amount of it
like enough to feed an africa and half amount
@gentle moss Sentient trash cans was Rocky Rodent
Errr, @vapid bluff *
vapid bluff
THATS RIGHT
rough sapphire
Which was a pretty great game, I gotta say
Starred Rocky Rodent and this restraunt owner's daughter was kidnapped by the mob
vapid bluff
now i can finally sleep again at night
rough sapphire
So you gotta rescue his daughter and he'll let you eat everything you want
It's about as good as you can expect from an SNES game lol
vapid bluff
super mario rpg tho
rough sapphire
It's not that great looking back and playing it again though.
vapid bluff
blasphemy!
rough sapphire
What has aged well was Final Fantasy 3 ( for the SNES in the US ) / Final Fantasy 6 for the PS1 ( released with Final Fantasy Anthology )
Kefka.
leaden flame
such a great game
plucky ridge
This guy gets it
Honestly a lot of the SNES games aged extremely well
That was kind of the prime age of 2D games
leaden flame
though i think the composer was a little depressed at the office when composing the very last song
before 'THE END'
plucky ridge
Never thought of it that way, but yeah, I could see it
leaden flame
the reason why i bring it up is bc the song made me kinda sad as a kid
rough sapphire
I just recently saw Super Mario RPG played through, and it's just.. eh.
FF3 ( SNES ) / FF6 ( PS1 ) is vastly better
The random dragons you stumble across, the characters you can miss getting
It's pretty damn great for an SNES game
||That, and the fact Shadow is a woman which is something you learn by pieces of story you can miss entirely.||
rough sapphire
Well, we were talking about specifically Super Mario RPG for the SNES
But yeah, I understand you mean.
leaden flame
no i know. but i still look at super mario rpg w/ a similar mindset
heavy jackal
Seven Stars? It definitely aged poorly. I would say that its best points would be the music and humour, with partial marks for the secrets and some decent puzzles. Otherwise, structurally, there's not much there.
I am hard-pressed to think of any other game where mario can canonically be smooched by bowser AND a weird hairy guy
rough sapphire
weird hairy guy - Excuse you, his name is Booster
Geno/Mallow were great though
Axem Rangers
heavy jackal
Booster the 7th.
rough sapphire
Yeah, there were so many things we haven't seen in anything else
Booster and his kidnapping, such a weird story.
vapid bluff
all this badmouthing of our lord and saviour super mario rpg
smh
may your cartridges be always dusty
vapid bluff
๐
rough sapphire
Everything's digital, grandpa.
heavy jackal
The switch is decent though
I just went on holiday and took it with me
I played goose game and katamari damacy
solid pollen
@rough sapphire you forgot the switch exists! That's the only console that I think it is worth to have
gentle moss
patch ALL THE CHROMES
twilit marlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSGEwAHcVUE this thing is amazing
circus's vocaloid songs are amazing
and while GUMI is my favorite vocaloid, i just found this
and it's amazing, seriously
especially the lyrics which rela cough
rough sapphire
I'm gonna cut myself.
What has world turned into!
I don't want to live anymore!!! ๐ญ
gentle moss
well it's not that bad
sand goblet
grave phoenix
wut
summer cape
lmaoo
rough sapphire
they fixed the logo?
vestal briar
It was broken?
rough sapphire
yeah
it was transparent
yesterday
when they took the hacktoberfest logo off
or halloween one
what ever it was
tulip palm
yes the icon is fixed
golden walrus
we're humans and need to know we matter to others in any way
so it's okay to want attention, too
I'm so tired
sand goblet
Ah, @vestal briar, I thought your avatar looked familiar...
vestal briar
I'm just used to clicking my name on a message
sly swift
What is Ipython
summer rampart
An interactive shell, much like the REPL you get when running python in the terminal
sly swift
it's a python shell
robust sierra
its basically a python shell that looks cool
tulip palm
and is also a lot nicer to use (but also sometimes a little slow, at least for me)
summer rampart
the startup time is very noticeable
fallen sparrow
now that you bring up pip uninstall, just realised how annoying it is that there's no autoremove
you install one thing with 50 deps and now everything's a mess
lol
sand goblet
Virtualenvs
fallen sparrow
yeah but then I have to reinstall everything and e.g. stuff like ipython i'd want systemwide anyway
azure brook
leaden flame
someone on one of the servers i'm on mentioned that there's a site that can do python exercises for you, and/or help you solve them. but i don't remember which server it was. was it this one?
summer rampart
nope.
as in we don't help people with graded coursework, or provide code willy nilly
we will, however, help you if you have a question or are stuck on a solution to a problem
we're here to guide and teach, not to solve
leaden flame
i understand that. it was a link to something outside of discord, or servers like these. i just wish i remembered who or which server it was
i have the memory of a chimp sometimes
undone berry
what are the advantages that MongoDB is seen as having, correctly or incorrectly, vs a traditional SQL db?
frosty berry
it's seen as fast and easy to use
afaik
and scalable horizontally also
2ย of these things are true, it's at the cost of security and reliability, but it's true
i don't understand how one can find the query language easy to use compared to sql though
sql needs to be learned, true, you can't just type english words and hope for it to work, but mongo is ugly and pretty much nonsensical for any complex need, using json to express queries is just, oof
undone berry
scalable horizontally = easy to make it support a lot of users?
frosty berry
when you get too many of whatever data to fit on a server or to query efficiently, you can add new servers and don't need to adapt your code
or not much
undone berry
ah - sure
frosty berry
discord published a blog about how they used mongo in the beggining, and it was suitable for a lot of users, though at some point it wasn't enough anymore
undone berry
I was speaking to a developer today who's company is about to adopt it
but it is only for relatively small enterprise stuff
which seemed crazy to me, but I didn't want to argue with the guy
frosty berry
well, it might suit them, although i would certainly side with you, it's probably not worth your time arguing
mongo has the same "issue" as php imho, it's easy to get started, too easy, and the pain comes later
undone berry
Yeah. That was my previous understanding, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything about it that was too obvious
frosty berry
the thing with being document based, is that you don't have to think about the details of your db, it's really easy at first, so much freedom, but then you understand that you can't make any assumption about the consistency of your data
and you don't feel free at all anymore
wooden kindle
I've got an IP security camera I'm trying to setup. I was able to connect to it locally, but couldn't when on a subnet. Not knowing much about networking, I set the subnet mask to 240.0.0.0, not realizing that it conflicted with its static ip 10.1.10.73.
Now I can't event connect locally to change it back. How screwed am I?
wooden kindle
Oof manual says there's no physical reset button
Oh well it was only $36
Lesson learned 
tidal garden
Hello does anyone know a good C# Discord?
grave phoenix
G stands for generalization
solid pollen
Told you @sand goblet ๐ grats to you too ๐
wooden silo
@solid pollen Congratulations! I gotta say, I'm impressed by your enthusiasm. Keep up the good work.
solid pollen
Thanks!
oak tangle
Yes, @sand goblet and @solid pollen, congrats to both of you!
sand goblet
\o/ thanks
rough sapphire
@barren root I'd get a machine, and a crossover cable, or hub. Set the machine to the same subnet, and a close but not the same IP to the camera. You may be able to connect to it then.
(apologies for necro'ing the issue)
vestal briar
Ahh earworm
ELO I think
I remember the run-up to the chours and it sounds like a music box
Then exclaims words that sort of sound like "Mother pharaohhhh"
rough sapphire
Any more Lyrics?
vestal briar
Something like "you're the only one alone, do you feel like you should've known about the little pharaohhhh"
Rift for music box is AABCDEF
royal lakeBOT
@vestal briar, it looks like you tried to attach a file type we don't allow. Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.
rough sapphire
lol
it's so not that
have you tried humming the tune into Shazam
?
not much go on there
vestal briar
Yeah
This is annoying
I feel like it's ELO but it doesn't feel like it would fit in
vestal briar
Gone through everything I have on ELO so I can say that it's probably not them. Maybe the who?
vestal briar
๐
rough sapphire
procrastination at its finest
I have an essay due
I have a total of 0 words down
same
except I actually have alot down
no im not done
not only that
I'm stumped on my code
I have a 504 so I get extra time
but not only that
#help-coconut is my issue.
the quarter ends in 12 hours
yikes
and not only that
my thing is due in a few hours
im actually already late by 2 weeks
bruh bomb
yeah thats me
the funny thing is
its so easy to bs but I just dont do a thing
frosty berry
@rough sapphire this kind of thinking won't help you get started. If you want to do the thing, and you certainly are capable of doing so, stop overthinking it, or defaulting on it (thinking it's too late and you won't do it), just put aside distractions, and think of something even more important to work on, so working on the first thing is actualy procrastinating the second.
sand goblet
so tomorrow is payday
I've started taking an interest in physical pentesting and related
so I figured I'd order some picks and practise locks and have a go at 'em
sand goblet
am I? haha
physical pentesting is all about getting into places you're not supposed to be able to
solid pollen
That's worst
plucky ridge
Oh I know, just the phrase is so dorky. Just say lockpicking
sand goblet
I mean, it's not all lockpicking
that's just the aspect I've taken a direct interest in
since it's really interesting
although having watched a good amount of physical pentesting stuff recently it strikes me that there are probably a lot of problems at work that could do with rectifying
plucky ridge
It has to have been called something else before that though
solid pollen
That remind me of that company that make security valve for nuclear centrals, that do daily sever backup and keep them in an unlocked vault
plucky ridge
Pen testing just makes me think of having a crap ton of like ballpoint pens or biros and just writing a lot to see which ones work the best
So I can never take it seriously
sand goblet
haha
solid pollen
I agree
solid pollen
Now I just see gdude with dozen of pens in hands and just trying to test them
sand goblet
I can think of four ways to get through it unauthorised
solid pollen
Four?
sand goblet
yep
you could use an under-door tool, go over the door, use a hooked knife or something to pull the latch, or just pick the lock
there's probably more that I'm forgetting
at least the hinge is on the inside
yeah, the latch has no security pins
it'd be ezpz
solid pollen
Security pins are the pins that are in every direction to make the lock picking more difficult?
sand goblet
No, with a latch, usually there's also a security pin
When the door is closed, the pin is pushed into the lock, so you can't just push the latch open, you have to actually use the key
this latch does not have one
sand goblet
this is the only office in the building
so it has basically everything in it
including two filing cabinets with extremely cheap locks
but I'm not gonna bitch about it until I can prove it
oh there's also a wooden board with hooks for every other key in the building
oh, I thought of another one
it's a wooden door in a wooden frame
you could place something in the doorway to widen the frame with enough force and then the latch wouldn't even matter
now if I was red-teaming I'd realise that basically nobody would do this to a community sports club
but it's still interesting to think about
solid pollen
You work in a sport club?
solid pollen
Your website can contain sensitive information at least or it is just an average website?
sand goblet
it's planned to
they want to sell merch and do expenses submissions and room bookings and stuff
the current site is at https://spagaa.com and it's a shitty wordpress site on a cheap host
so that ain't happening
I bet you can't even load it
solid pollen
No it isn't :p
sand goblet
unusual
solid pollen
You host it on heroku or something? :D
sand goblet
It's on this host called siteground
they do specialised wordpress hosting for basically no money
but the database is so fucking slow that the site is down half the time
I'd show you the new one but it's not ready yet
that one is being built on squarespace
It'll look more like this though
still needs work but it'll get there
solid pollen
How do you take screenshot that long??
solid pollen
It looks way more modern than the current one haha
sand goblet
It looks more like this on desktop
it's been a fun project
There isn't much left to do now
solid pollen
There is one thing that is triggering me since I started contributing for pydis projects..
sand goblet
undone berry
ctrl+shift+r?
solid pollen
I'm on phone
Ooooh
I cleared the cache
And it is back!!
@sand goblet so yeah now it is linting
gentle moss
g went full g
golden walrus
The G-Man?
solid pollen
G g pentested his name and discorverd that the last 4 letters was his weakness, so removed them