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rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Looks like it's trying to load

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 7:43 AM

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I need to de-google this phone

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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I've got a de-googled phone

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It's pretty nice

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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My notifications just get clogged by useless Google stuff

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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I haven't had Google on my phones for... years.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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What's a nice rom?

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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i want a phone with a phyiscal keyboard with postmarketos on it

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Lineage

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@rough sapphire Good luck

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fuck Lineage, go Omni

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Why?

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Lineage has PrivacyGuard, and has been around longer.

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totally not biased because i've had a falling out with the devs and solely based on the fact that they do some stupid fucking decisions

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stupid decisions such as?

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like reloading the surfaceflinger framebuffer every frame

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Explain

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so basically, you know how project butter dramatically reduced interface stutteriness and lag?

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project butter?

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I have no clue what you're talking about

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https://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/project-butter-improves-android-4-1s-speed/

Engadget

Project Butter improves Android 4.1's speed to a silky-smooth 60FPS

As part of its unveiling of Android 4.1 Jelly Bean, Google has unveiled Project Butter, a major effort to squash Android's frequent problems with device lag,...

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Ah, this is old.

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anyways, it accomplished this by totally rewriting surfaceflinger to take use of the gpu much better, and a part of this meant that they are no longer redrawing each frame but only whatever has updated since the last frame

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Lineage (then CM) went "well shit, this breaks X feature in CM" and reverted pretty much everything project butter did

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I told them they're being absolutely moronic and should just rewrite X feature

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instead, they wouldn't implement the project butter changes for 4 years until something in the kernel changed so drastically that they were basically forced to

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it still runs like garbage (stuttery and laggy as hell) compared to something like Omni

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I don't have lag on my device, though?

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you haven't compared it to Omni

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I mean, anything I run isn't going to lag. I've got 8GB of RAM

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Lineage has ran like garbage on every phone I've owned. Every time I give it a chance, thinking it's better on my newer phone, and every time I'm disappointed

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... Scott.

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It has nothing to do with RAM

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I'm talking about interface stutter

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It's to do with the CPU/GPU, not the RAM.

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If I can see multiple benchmarks, I'll be convinced. But I'm not going to switch my business device from stable Lineage to Omni just for some minor interface stuttering.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 7:54 AM

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On a Huawei y7

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Fairly good cpu/gpu

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But a cheap phone

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:54 AM

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I'm not sure why you're impying Omni isn't stable

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also, fyi

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Omni is made up of a team of people who had disagreements with CM/Lineage and split off

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and you can tell that it's the talented devs who left

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I'm not. I'm saying that the version of Lineage I have is fairly stable as-is. I get multiple calls a day, and I can't risk a version of Omni making my device inoperable for a day or more.

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I get a consistent 90fps on Oxygen

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Oxygen is hella optimized

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Omni over oxygen on the 3T, oxygen over omni on the 6T

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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7 Pro here

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:>

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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show off :p

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i'm getting the new fxtec

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the phyiscal keyboard phone

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I need a physical keyboard phone in my life

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I've had one

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They kind of suck

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The keys are always too small

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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vertical or horizontal?

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Landscape

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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the nokia n900?

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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No, the Xperia x1

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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oh lol

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yeah no

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Haha

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I've used a couple blackberries too

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:58 AM

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My first foray into smartphones was a Blackberry 8310

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😄

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:58 AM

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The X1 was mine

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That phone was coooomplete garbage

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Windows Mobile 4

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Slow as hell, no apps

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Not seeing anything online for X1 - Just batteries

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Xperia X1, Scott

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:00 AM

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Oh, thought you meant Blackberry.

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:00 AM

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https://media.wired.com/photos/59eab1caf3d04c2a203610c6/master/w_350,c_limit/sony_xperia_x1_f.jpg

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:01 AM

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https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51R38XvFUqL._AC_.jpg

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I had that wonderful piece of equipment, lol.

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:01 AM

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The phone I had before the Xperia was an i phone

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Not an iPhone

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It was a shitty Samsung slide phone with the i system

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Which was basically O2's internal Internet

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It had around 32MiB of storage and no apps

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It also had a limit of 3MiB per file

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Before the 8310 I had some flip phone that if you paid once for internet, bookmarked a search engine, and then didn't pay for internet at all, you could still access anything if you searched for it through the bookmarked search engine.

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ezpz unlimited internet

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Haha

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Before that one I had several Sony E phones

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Including the Walkman phone and their weird slide camera phone

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My first phone was a 3510i though

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:07 AM

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@rough sapphire Very weird that Omni doesn't force HTTPS on their downloads... http://dl.omnirom.org/

index · powered by h5ai 0.25.2 (http://larsjung.de/h5ai/)

index - powered by h5ai 0.25.2 (http://larsjung.de/h5ai/)

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Oh hey, h5ai

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I've used that

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:13 AM

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@sand goblet Did you see how a few VPNs were hacked?

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Nope

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:15 AM

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NordVPN was hacked, and it looks like VikingVPN and TorGuard were affected as well.

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Good thing I don't use any VPNs

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Smart

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Haha

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It is amusing though

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Those are widely used security products

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I wonder how they were exploited

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:46 AM

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Just setup OpenVPN at home for whenever you're out and about.

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😄

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:46 AM

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I use ZeroTier

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Which isn't really a VPN but can be used that way

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It's a really interesting piece of software, you should take a look if you like networking

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It allows you to create private networks across the Internet with minimal effort and requires no port work

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:49 AM

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So like Hamachi?

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:49 AM

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No

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Hamachi is actually just a VPN without the Internet tunnelling I think

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I like ZeroTier because it makes it easy to manage static addresses for devices regardless of what they're connected to or where they're connected

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:53 AM

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I use my own (physical) server located at pretty much the north pole and wireguard

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Just use PiVPN for that.

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 AM

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ZeroTier can actually tunnel your connection

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 AM

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So I use it to appear on my own home network when I'm not there

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There's also a hassio addon that supports it

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 9:00 AM

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my own (physical) server located at pretty much the north pole

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you have a sever near the north pole??

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 AM

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@rough sapphire is ||Santa||

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 AM

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ikr!

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 AM

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@vapid bluff it's only a couple of hours from where I live to the north pole

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 AM

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arent you in estonia

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:03 AM

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yes

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 9:03 AM

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so couple hours by plane?

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 AM

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max 1 hour with a plane (if even that)

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few hours via car

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 AM

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same

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 AM

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next up I'm probably gonna go drop a server machine off in Iceland

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got a friend who lives there and can take care of it if something should happen

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 AM

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this my ride

📎 Z.png

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 AM

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ok, maybe not the north pole itself but pretty damn close

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 12:38 PM

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https://torrentfreak.com/nordvpn-had-private-keys-stolen-after-server-breach-191022/

TorrentFreak

Ernesto

NordVPN Had Private Keys Stolen after Server Breach - TorrentFreak

NordVPN has confirmed that one of its servers was compromised in a hack early last year. The attacker gained access to a TLS encryption key which could be used to impersonate the NordVPN.com site or a VPN server, using a targeted man-in-the-middle attack. The key could not be...

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some more info on that

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 12:46 PM

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"not a hack" - NordVPN

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it's just a breach

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🙄

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Doubt anything will actually be hacked on the users end (actual passwords)

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Ridiculous amount of encryption

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 PM

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a VPN is a security service and trying to waterdown what happened is not good at all

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 12:56 PM

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~~I can't tell from the article. Is the issue that the third party server had some janky remote mangement thing that caused the breach, or that Nord used some janky remote management thing~~ - its the first

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Whist trying to downplay it isn't their fault, it does seem like its not the most impactful kind of hack

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and it doesn't reflect too poorly on Nord

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:25 PM

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i think it does.

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they weren't aware of a method of entry that was on the system they rented

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i doubt the 3rd party intentionally concealed that

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:27 PM

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they lost private keys

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that's a huge breach

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there is no way for them to know whether data was accessed at that point

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Yes, that's exactly the point. Ultimately, they had a backdoor into their systems and they are responsible for that.

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:28 PM

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yup

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passing the buck to the 3rd party is just shitty

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the proper way to handle a breach is to admit it

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looks better for a start

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i guess they admit part of it themselves

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but not completely

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Anyway, that's the main issue with most VPN service providers, they are all very opaque and ultimately have no real incentive to disclose security issues

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:29 PM

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"We failed by contracting an unreliable server provider and should have done better to ensure the security of our customers"

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 1:29 PM

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they shouldve vetted this 3rd party and their practices in the first place. how tf you gonna claim to be secure if you don't care about the people with closest access to the data.

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Anyway, I'm sure people who have real things to hide don't rely on a VPN for that, surely?

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 PM

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you'd sure hope not

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but

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then again

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 PM

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I forgot t he /s I think

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 PM

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we all have things to hide

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Sure, that's absolutely true

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 PM

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like, you know, security tokens :>

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:31 PM

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But, the scale of the things you've got to hide relates to the willingness of actors to expose their discovery of your secrets

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:31 PM

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that's true

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:31 PM

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No three-letter agency (or non-US equivalent) is going to advertise that they have a backdoor in most VPNs by catching pirates

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:31 PM

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That's a pretty good point actually

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although I'd be more worried about foreign governments and actual crims

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Yes

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:32 PM

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like the guy I used to work with and then threw out of my org, if someone steals your card details, they won't tell you - they'll just buy their copy of Minecraft

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:>

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and then microsoft will try to sue you when you reverse it

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it's the circle of life!

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:33 PM

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There was a lot of discussion about this back when TrueCrypt became a thing

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:33 PM

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unvetted

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yeah

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lots of speculation about backdoors and the likes

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people seem to give veracrypt that same stigma, despite it being vetted

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Wasn't there also the iPhone case a couple of years back where law enforcement tried to get access to an encrypted iPhone?

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Oh yeah, I remember that

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they ordered Apple to unlock it

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:35 PM

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I'm not in the know, but I can imagine that if agencies had the capabilities, they wouldn't have been willing to volunteer them

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Hence law enforcement turning to Apple

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 1:36 PM

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they did it eventually, iirc the rumor was they paid some hackers to do it

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cause apple refused

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something about nand mirroring

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:37 PM

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i don't think it was a court case

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but the FBI did threaten Apple

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iirc

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 1:37 PM

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yeah, it was the san bernardino terrorists' phones

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Courts were involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute

sand goblet Oct 22, 2019, 1:37 PM

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they did pay some hackers to do it, yeah

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that's what I heard too

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Yes and they had the option to go to Israel as well, who were suspected to have the abilities to do the same.

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Cellebrite is the name of that Israelian company, I think

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yes

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it's in the wikipedia article

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:43 PM

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ahhhh

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the all writs act

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:43 PM

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wow

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strong words in UK parliament

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:45 PM

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fuck sake

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who dun wot now

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:46 PM

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It's basically labour stating what the government is doing, at least, that's how see it

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Namely, pushing through the most important bill in a long time without any opportunity to reflect properly on it

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:46 PM

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yes

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:46 PM

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The atmosphere is aggressive and tense

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:46 PM

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this has been the government's strategy since boris took office

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he's tried multiple routes already and failed

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this is his next gambit

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 1:47 PM

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they should settle this with a rap battle

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:47 PM

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It's almost turned into that

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:47 PM

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i say settle it with the queen and a big golden mace

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https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1186640081790132224

Ian Dunt (@IanDunt)

Jim McMahon, Lab: "This place can be quite intimidating at times. I came here believing that people who sound a bit posh and walked round with an air of entitlement somehow knew what they were doing. And if nothing else I thank the PM for disproving that at least."

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BITCH SLAP

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i don't watch live parliament much anymore, it makes me too angry

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:48 PM

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well, it's a nice slap, but I honestly think your PM does know what he's doing

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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yeah, he does

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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It's just that he doesn't care about the impact

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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because he's supported by disaster capitalists and the idea of power retention

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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It's been a mystery to me why so many people in my country vote against their own interest as well

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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at the time plenty were fooled by lies and such

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the UK is very uneducated on the EU

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including our politicians

oak tangle Oct 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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They vote for parties wilfully breaking down every system they benefit from to advance big corporations

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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ah, that's first past the post

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FPTP voting is fucked

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forces you to vote for some chucklefuck you agree more closely with than the person likely to win

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i live in a heavily conservative area so if i vote with the party my values align with then it's pretty much a given the conservatives win

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so instead i have to tactically vote for labour

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 1:54 PM

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representative commons, lords becomes FPTP

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that would be a great way of somewhat fixing shit maybe

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Also, I'm curious, who do your values align with?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:55 PM

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probably closer with the greens

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libdems are a nono after they fucked over everyone who voted for them during the coalition days

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"we reigned in the worst of the tory party" - Tim Farron

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buuuuuullllllllllshit

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Yeah, supporting the lib dems at this point is quite close to just being a tory

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well not a tory

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but right wing

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:56 PM

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they took ministerial positions which came with the stipulation that they'd have to vote FOR tory legislation

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they should've formed a coalition and rejected the ministerial positions

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then they could've voted freely to "reign in the worst of the tory party"

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the fact they still parrot this lie is so irritating

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Yeah. I feel like the Jo Swinson brand Lib Dems kinda suck

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:58 PM

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fuck knows what i'd do in a general election this time around

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 1:59 PM

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My area is so tory that whatever vote I make is just a protest vote, so I'd go for greens; but I'm really not a huge fan of any of their details

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 1:59 PM

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i don't feel i can vote labour anymore, even as a tactical vote

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Why?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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enough of them are straight up tories

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Really?

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Under Corbyn, a lot of the party is actually on the left now

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if thats what you mean

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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nah, it's more to do with how many of them reject a 2nd referendum and are pushing for a deal type thing

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they've shifted on the spectrum to appease tory voter base imo

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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doesnt labour have a major internal antisemitism problem

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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urg

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fucking both parties do

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that's a red herring

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Official labour policy is now a leave w/ deal vs remain referendum

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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and it's entirely based on criticism of israel, as far as i'm aware

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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but thats specifically a Brexit thing yeah. I really hope they have a second referendum before a general election

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:02 PM

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it's not like we're going to be voting on many other issues bar that

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it's such a monumental issue it overshadows everything else

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Yeah I agree and think its fair

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:02 PM

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you can't have a national policy if you don't know what state your nation is going to be in

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i mean the first one that really pissed me off was labour voting in favour of tory austerity

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they basically became tory lite in that instance

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they also fucked the disabled / people on DWP by helping pass retroactive tory legislation which made illegal practices legal

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I didn't follow politics back then. But centrist Blairite labour vs current labour is a pretty big difference in terms of rhetoric at least

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and Id hope in terms of practical policy as well

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:04 PM

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eh, i can't see it being much different

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labour is still centrist

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and blair labour was actually more towards the right imo

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politics has shifted

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Politics has definitely shifted

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but I think Corbyn is definitely on the left

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As is mcdonell

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and they're the ones setting the key policies

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:06 PM

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i still think they're centre

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Well, both are pushing for nationalisation of stuff which is a very left policy. But I also don't know any of the rest of their policy

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:07 PM

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i mean his policies have actually gained traction with centrists so

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:07 PM

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because of the Brexit black hole

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:07 PM

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"nationalisation" isn't a very left policy

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it used to be a centre policy

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everyone fucking agreed on it until it was all flogged off and fucked up

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Keeping things nationalised was a centrist philosophy

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but buying things up from the market

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or seizing them

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is very much a left wing policy

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:08 PM

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again, centrist policy imo

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it costs our government more money to let private business run the train network rather than doing it ourselves

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and provides worse services

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it's only since neoliberal economics became "the thing" that this has become a nono / leftist idea

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blair was a neoliberalist in a lot of ways too fyi

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:09 PM

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The train thing isn't unambigously true

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I thought it was for a long time

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but when I tried to find evidence for it I couldn't

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Blair was pretty overtly neoliberal

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:10 PM

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we've had to BUY BACK shit because private enterprise couldn't profit from it iirc

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:10 PM

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We did yeah

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but that was a single franchise

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Also, I don't think we bought it

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we just sort of took it back

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:11 PM

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also when you look at the state of rail fares

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jesus christ

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:11 PM

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True, but even under British Rail people complained about rail services and fairs

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I agree it is almost certainly better to nationalise. But its not a cut and dry thing

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:12 PM

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yeah but at least there wasn't profit motive slapped on top of that

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private couldn't run the actual rails so we had to take back control of that (duh)

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now they just run the profitable part of the network

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:12 PM

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In one instance

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:12 PM

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journey / fares

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nah, Railtrack

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was a private ownership network of the infrastructure

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that's what Network Rail is now

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so now the government is in control of the less profitable part of the network

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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@gentle moss You're a wifiman right, any idea how I can simulate unplugging and replugging my wifi dingledongle without actually losing connection?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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while private companies own the profitable part

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windows?

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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ye

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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without losing the connection i'm not entirely sure tbh

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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:/

solid pollen Oct 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Bisk the wifiman

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Cause right now I'm experiencing the high ping thing, and unplugging etc is whats been a temporary fix atm

📎 unknown.png

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router ping | google ping

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:15 PM

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you could try making a powershell script that disables / enables the device

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like you would do in device manager

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:15 PM

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hm

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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maybe that might work quick enough not to destroy TCP connections

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Can't say I have any experience writing powershell scripts :D

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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but the OS probably behaves differently to a DEVICE going missing than say, unplugging an RJ4 cable

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nor do i, at least not ones like that

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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sounds like a bit of an xy problem

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what are you trying to achieve with this

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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his dongle is shit

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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I dont think it's my dongle

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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dongle, router

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either or

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bufferbloat out the balls

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Router most likely

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:17 PM

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oh my bad

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just scrolled up and saw the ping thing

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I just don't want to unplug it atm, as game im playing has 2hour queus and no reconnect service q.q

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:19 PM

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oof

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is it TCP traffic?

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TCP timeout can give you a little bit of wiggleroom with stuff like unplugging / replugging

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idk about disabling / re-enabling a device

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Damn..

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So I ran the windows troubleshoot thing

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Didn't take very long, but did disable it

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so i disconnected

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Good to know Ican do that instead of unplugging though, slightly faster and less pain

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:23 PM

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figures

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game probably makes network request and OS is like "lol no that adapter doesn't exist" and it dies

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Probably

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It is TCP driven, but it does die the ms you unplug it

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which is a shame

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:24 PM

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if it were an RJ45 cable you could probably get away with it

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i've upgraded switches using the quick switch method and companies have never even noticed

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@undone berry

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https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1186647335482380289

Ian Dunt (@IanDunt)

Iain Duncan Smith is talking so I've stopped paying attention.

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<_<

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Maybe I should get 2 wifi dingledongles 🤔 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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haha

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bridge them

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Does that work 😂 ?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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never tried

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:D

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Just have a cheap one to be a "backup wifi" for when it bufferbloats 🤔

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write a simple script to reboot the devices one by one when it happens, hmmm

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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is bercow leaving for real this time? cause iirc he announced he was stepping down then reversed it once before right?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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when do you mean before?

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like a month or so ago?

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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sometime earlier this year i think, cant remember

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bit earlier than a month

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like in april/may?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:28 PM

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i think he announced he was leaving earlier

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but stipulated it'd be later down the line

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and now it's oct 31st

glass gorge Oct 22, 2019, 2:28 PM

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A spooky leave

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:28 PM

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gonna miss that shouty bastard

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really good at his job

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mogg was trying to do something the other day that he argued to the speaker wasn't on about 6 months ago

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6 months ago the speaker upheld it and in this instance read moggs own words back at him

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they turn on the speaker when it suits them, kinda shitty

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especially when he's been doing a good job

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:30 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/28/john-bercow-reveals-plans-stay-commons-speaker

John Bercow has said he plans to stay in his post as Speaker of the House of Commons despite previous expectations he was about to leave, risking the fury of hardline Eurosceptics who believe he wants to thwart a no-deal Brexit.

ok nvm, so it wasnt even an official announcement, just something he was reportedly thinking about doing.

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:30 PM

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yeah, last month or so he said he would be leaving on oct 31st though

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as he was fed up of this bullshit and being attacked etc

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:31 PM

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yep, thats why im wondering

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considering brexit doesnt happen by oct 31st

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:38 PM

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He originally said he was leaving when Brexit was done with

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he then revised that to specifically the 31st

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otherwise he'd never be able to leave

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:39 PM

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best shouty man ever

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:39 PM

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he is a very good shouty man

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although, I have heard some good arguments as to why he isn't a perfect speaker. Mainly he often ends up making himself the focus of things when he shouldn't/doesn't need to. i.e the "Chuntering from a sedentary position" stuff is just playing it up for the cameras

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He was described as the fun teacher thats really bad of actually keeping control of the class. That seems fairly reasonable to me

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:41 PM

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idk, he seems to do a reasonable job at it

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the problem is parliament is louder than it used to be

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...weirdly.

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:42 PM

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that is definitely to do with it being televised

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and people playing it up for soundbites that can be used on social media

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:42 PM

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US house of reps is televised

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they remain civil

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:42 PM

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true, but the procedures there do a terrible job of actually facilitating debate

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:43 PM

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oh sure

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:43 PM

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vs parliament which is pretty good at it

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:43 PM

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sort of good at it

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they should implement a "shut the fuck up" rule

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:43 PM

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about as good as I can imagine a formalised system could be

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:44 PM

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PMQ's has definitely become theatrics

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:45 PM

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that is 100% due to the soundbitey nature of media at the moment

steel quest Oct 22, 2019, 2:45 PM

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guys can i ask a question?

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:45 PM

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at this point its much more like shouting statements at each other

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:45 PM

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you can always ask a question, a response is variable

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:45 PM

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whereas it did used to at least be questions and answers

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:45 PM

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https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1186653769079152643

Ian Dunt (@IanDunt)

Absurd moment. Rory Stewart interrupts a speech by the SNP's Ian Blackford, who is complaining that Scotland is being dragged out against its will, and says: "What about London?"

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rory stewart is a fucking idiot.

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I mean, its kinda fair. London is a pretty distinct area from the rest of the country

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About as muchso as is Wales

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:46 PM

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London is a city, not a country.

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:46 PM

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sure

vapid bluff Oct 22, 2019, 2:46 PM

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meanwhile in new zealand parliament https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asz262IFqBA

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undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:46 PM

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but in many respects it is like a country

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and the point Stewart could have been making

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is that London being dragged out because its part of England is equivalent to Scotland being dragged out because its part of the UK

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:47 PM

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that's... a fecking stretch

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SNP have been pushing for another independence referendum off the back of this government's "not giving a shit" attitude towards the scottish

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:48 PM

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if the SNP weren't the Scottish Nationalist party, they'd be fantastic

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they're policies in Scotland have actually been good

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Rory plans on running for London Mayor

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if you weren't aware

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Yeah, I realise

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:49 PM

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more grandstanding

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:49 PM

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The deputy leader of the Green's called him out saying something like "Why does everyone think they can run for mayor of london just to progress their own careers"

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:49 PM

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and sorry @steel quest, i'm not sure i know an answer to that question.

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you might be better off asking in python-discussion?

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idk

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since python is uncompiled anyone with the source can read it and run it

steel quest Oct 22, 2019, 2:50 PM

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still thnx for ur time

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:54 PM

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i mean johnson did such a terrible job as mayor he's now under investigation

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so you don't even have to do the job well

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:54 PM

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literally nothing about Boris' mayorship was good

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even the fucking Boris bikes were Ken Livingstone's idea

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yet people still somehow think he did a good job

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:57 PM

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"spaffed" £26m or so up the wall on the garden bridge

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got played by a californian model for government grants

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purchased 3 water canons which were illegal to use

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Ooh Garden bridge

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We where forced to make some creative writing about it

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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yeah, he never tendered the contracts properly either

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Sadiq Khan gets absolutely roasted as mayor

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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weirdly roasted about knife crime

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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attacked by the fucking US president

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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as if it's the mayor's job

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to deal with policing levels

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that's the government's job

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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and he's only done a good job

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but Boris for christs sake got nothing

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:58 PM

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i wonder why it could be

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sadiq khan... sadiq khan...

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why would a racist president attack him

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hmmm

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 2:59 PM

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I agree racism plays a big part in it. But I think its also the fact the press in this country is so heavily right wing just going after easy shots

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 2:59 PM

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yeah

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anyway, sadiq has the mayoral race on lock vs any tory

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as he could just put up posters of their face, name and voting record on brexit

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Brexit will probably be done - or at least in a point of stasis - when the mayoral election happens

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:01 PM

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just a question

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:01 PM

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but yeah, he still probably has it down

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Is the press in England subsided by the government?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:01 PM

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no

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but at this point it might as well be a parrot

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:02 PM

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This explain why they are right wing probably

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:02 PM

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The BBC is funded by the government

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:02 PM

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no quite charlie

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and you know it :P

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:02 PM

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TV "license" :)

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Its worth noting, Channel 4 does a pretty good job for a TV news station

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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same for Sky, sometimes.

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SOMETIMES

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Sky is a lot more right leaning

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but its better than most papers

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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yeah but sometimes their journo's actually ask real questions

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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One of their anchors is a right tosspot

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I forget his name though

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Isn't healthy to have some press that tend to a side?

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i mean

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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I think sky are quite good

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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it's not healthy to have the majority of all press owned by like 5 billionaires

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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in fact

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Media bias check says they're alright

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Well

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Sky might do some actual journalism sometimes

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but they are still fundamentally hacks

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Every media have bias

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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yes, but the problem in UK media is the level of bias

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Is the monopoly then?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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the majority of UK press is heavily right wing

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even the left wing is actually closer to center

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guardian etc

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Daily mail, Sunday star

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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the mirror, the times

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Why are there so many right wing

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Guardian is fucking trash

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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the telegraph actually used to (maybe still does?) pay our Prime Minister £275k a year

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for writing stories

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Oh yeah

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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that's almost double his PM salary

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Like 4 a year?

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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But are there any difficulties in starting a press?

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Thats one of labour's flagship policies

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actual regulation of the media

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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like close to impossible

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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that's one of the reasons you see a lot more online journalism

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:05 PM

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something along the lines of Leveson 2

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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oh

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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the canary etc

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spiked, the vile piece of shit

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i'd say right wing press outweighs left wing by like 3:1 in the UK

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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I like libdem the most but can't really say much more then that for politics

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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i believe there was a press freedoms study of europe and it found that the UK press was the least informative and most biased

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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So the solution is to have less regulations or what?

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Currently watching parliament - and Jo Swinson is about as interesting as a soggy fish

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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lol no

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jesus christ

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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No

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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our newspapers hacked the phones of anyone they could for a story

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even dead kids

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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lol

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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We're something like ~50 in the world for trust of the press

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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33rd least biased

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Is there any possible solution for the press problem?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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better journalists

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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yes

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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less click baity bullshit

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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regulation

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:07 PM

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for example

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:08 PM

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less click baity bullshit is never gonna happen

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:08 PM

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regulation in the press?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:08 PM

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since boris johnson has got into office his media spin team have been putting out messaging through the use of anonymous sources

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and journos just lap this up

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no questions

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:08 PM

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hmm

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:08 PM

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because having "special access" to sources inside government

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is seen as something to want to maintain

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even if that media spin team is playing the press like a fiddle

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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maybe better journalists, yes

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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the advantage of this is that boris never has to actually put out his real policy

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he can just get an anon source to say some shit

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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How is trump not impreached

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Don't agree much with a lot of regulations in the press

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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the press then say "SOURCES INSIDE NUMBER 10 SAY THEY'RE GOING TO KILL ALL THE POOR"

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they'll get a feel for the nations reaction, without having to officially say it's their policy

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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The purge part 1

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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so when they're questioned on this they can say

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"we don't comment on anonymous sources"

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and backtrack

#

it's also allowed him to spin clear defeats as victories

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by creating a new narrative

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uncritical journalism is a problem for sure

#

but again, no one wants to give up their "inside source" or whatever

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and getting "the scoop" draws in eyeballs = money

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exactly the same way trump got so much press coverage in the run up to the election

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he generated revenue

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Why Trump got elected is a lot more complex than that. Also, media in the US is infinitely worse than in the UK

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:13 PM

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oh sure, but even CNN admitted they gave him more airtime because it improves ratings

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undue prominence and that

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:14 PM

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But if Hillary Clinton was even a remotely competeny candidate, she would have had soundbites of her roasting Trump up there with him

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but she was absolute shite

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shitter even than Theresa May

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:16 PM

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oof, i dunno about that one but that's based on TMay's record

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Clinton had a lot of failings but she had still done her previous jobs pretty well

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I mean

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her entire career was a right leaning "establishment" politician

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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plus the whole, you know, go home vans

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and hostile environment

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deporting people

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windrush

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etc

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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her entire career was a right leaning "establishment" politician I meant Clinton with that one

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and right wing is a failing there because she was representing the party furthest to the left in the US

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:19 PM

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ah right

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yeah

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there are quite a few in the democrats that seem to have very republican leanings

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:20 PM

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by current global standards, in pretty much every country, the recent past US democrats would be considered right wing

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:22 PM

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it's that whole thing of shift / swing

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I agree there has been a shift globally. But I think its worth just treating US politics and European politics as two completely distinct things

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there are such vast differences between the two at this point

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And the general trend in the UK at least it towards the showbizzification that you have in the US

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:23 PM

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along with a weird lurch rightward

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from all sides

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maybe except the greens

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Whilst I can see the trend towards the right dying off in the mid future. I can't ever see a world where there is sensible political discourse

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

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i think that's gone out the window at this point

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oh huh, just tuned into parliament

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seems like the government benches are empty

#

while [checks notes] discussing the withdrawal agreement bill

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:27 PM

#

Amusing Ourselves to Death is a great book that highlights a lot of problems with modern discourse; which is pretty impressive because it was written in the 80s

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and yeah, I listened to a bit of parliament, but its just pro-remain people banging on about pro-remain stuff to each other

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:28 PM

#

just now was Benn highlighting how the government has said it hasn't done and wont do an impact assessment

#

because next to no-deal a Free Trade Agreement option is the economically worst

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"lets not assess the impact because it'll make us look bad"

#

like the yellowhammer report they tried to shuffle under the carpet

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Whilst the people saying "Get brexit done with" are clearly complete morons. At this point I can empathise with them. I'm so sick of Gove et al sliming and lying about Brexit for the last 3 years

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In fact, I've literally never followed politics when Brexit wasn't the main issue (Because I'm too young, not because I wasn't interested)

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:33 PM

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i started following it about 15 years ago tbh

#

a lot of this is very much not normal

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 3:34 PM

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i started last year

plucky ridge Oct 22, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Not normal for the last few decades. This surge of nationalism is fairly common if you take a larger look at the past

#

Cold War Era alone shows similar traits

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 3:38 PM

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yeah

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Hello

#

Who is a coder who is really good at it

jagged fog Oct 22, 2019, 6:32 PM

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🤔

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 6:54 PM

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i am coder who is really good at "it"

robust sierra Oct 22, 2019, 6:54 PM

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no you are not good at "it"

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 6:54 PM

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then you must work at nsa right

wheat lynx Oct 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I guess it depends on what 'it' is

jagged fog Oct 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Hackerman tm

wheat lynx Oct 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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if 'it' is sleeping then i'm your man

robust sierra Oct 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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no the "it" means "it"

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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oh fuck

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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i'm a coder really good at "it" too

jagged fog Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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The scary it?

robust sierra Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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no no no

solid pollen Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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The other it

wheat lynx Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Oh, i feel so stupid now!

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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You can talk with me, the help just cost the execution of one file

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I'm not good at doing 'it'

robust sierra Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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the good "it" that like connects "it"

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Coders dont have time to practice 'it'

solid pollen Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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There is it and it

wheat lynx Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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What does 'IT' stand for

solid pollen Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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They aren't the same it

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 6:57 PM

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well 'IT' is a movie but 'it' has a different meaning

jagged fog Oct 22, 2019, 6:57 PM

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intergalactic table

wheat lynx Oct 22, 2019, 6:57 PM

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It stands for, it stands for commitment

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 6:57 PM

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In-farm Technology

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 6:57 PM

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what you plan your trips to andromeda on that?

robust sierra Oct 22, 2019, 6:57 PM

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he did the it for it when he was learning it to get into it

wheat lynx Oct 22, 2019, 6:58 PM

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It stands for audacity. It stands for courage in the face of-

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 7:02 PM

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in the face of it.

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:06 PM

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bought my first mechanical keyboard!

solid pollen Oct 22, 2019, 7:06 PM

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This is it

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I've been using the same membrane one since 2006

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:08 PM

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nice @rough sapphire which key switches?

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:08 PM

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cherry blues, they seem cool

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:08 PM

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cool

#

nice and clicky

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:08 PM

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i have one with otemu switches

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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also blue?

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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nag

#

is brown

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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nice

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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maybe I'm just weird, but I think it will be rewarding to hear clicks/clacks all day while working lol

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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I've got brown too

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cherry brown though

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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my membrane one is relatively quiet

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Oh no it's very rewarding

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especially if you type fast

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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I'm like 75wpm at my fastest

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yes, it's really good to listen the switches

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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sometimes when I'm stressed I just do the top 100 english words typing thing

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and then orgasm

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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it's like music

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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exactly

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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are blues the loudest?

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Probably yeah

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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good lol

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browns also looked nice

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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I can hit around 130 consistently now and it just sounds so fucking good

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That's without punctuation though

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:11 PM

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I injured my hand pretty severely as a child and I lost some function in my left index finger, so I've adopted this weird mutant way of typing with like 3 fingers on each hand

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but after like 18 years of doing it, I got it up to relatively fast lol

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Nice haha

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Yeah I have a family member who can hit 60 wpm now with 2 fingers

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I guess you get used to it

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:12 PM

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My typing is really slow

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But i don't look to the keyboard at least

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the only thing that still gets me is the symbols sometimes

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specifically the #$%^&*'s

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yes

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Yeah

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:13 PM

#

i have problem specifically with the numbers

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one thing that kindof helps is the numpad, if you have one

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i don't

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its a little more intuitive than the number bar across a normal keyboard

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afk 1 min, need to take something out of oven

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my membrane keyboard had one, but i like small things

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:14 PM

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If you try this typing test http://minify.link/3y2 its 15 seconds without any punctuation/numbers/weird symbols

Redirecting to url, please wait... - Minify Links - Shortern Your ...

Redirecting to url, please wait...

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How fast are you?

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Membrane also feels nice sometimes though idk

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:16 PM

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40 WPM is my best

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I love my membrane, and like I said earlier, its been going strong since 2006, lasted through like 3-4 computers

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my membrane is really old

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but some keys started to stick starting a month or so ago, so RIP

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:17 PM

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rip

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:17 PM

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is a IBM keyboard

olive raptor Oct 22, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Damn thats sick aliver

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 7:17 PM

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ya yeet

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yoted

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it have the yellow white color

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 7:43 PM

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I do 55-72wpm

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:00 PM

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wonder how good i get one handed

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most likely awful on a test

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:02 PM

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typing while holding a newborn is awkward.

frosty berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:11 PM

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typing with one hand is horrible, can't do that anymore since i learned to touch type

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:15 PM

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i have an adult human on my left arm right now

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my right isn't great at typing

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I need to learn how to touch type

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:36 PM

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its possible to touch type with only one hand

#

https://www.typingclub.com is how I learned to type properly. Highly reccomend

TypingClub

Free Touch Typing Software

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:41 PM

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it's trickier to one hand touch type because you're not rooted down

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:44 PM

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you need to use sticky keys. But you can root yourself on f/j. The site I linked has a tutorial for it

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no you cant

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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i can do iy okay on my laptop almosy

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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yes you can.

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gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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big and flexible hands though

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

#

thats apparently the hand position if you wnt to type an n

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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makes sense

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:47 PM

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I can't be arsed to learn it. But I think you could pick it up with a few hours practice quite easily

stark prawn Oct 22, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Not everyone will be able to do two handed.

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:47 PM

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i'm leaning more towards:
pinky on s
ring on f
middle on t
index on h
thumb on m

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gives me a hand position to reach everything really

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except enter

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Are you left handed?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:48 PM

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no

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but i am a guitarist

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so my left hand is used to doing complex actions

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my right less so

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:49 PM

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That layout you described seems horrible

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hitting backspace/enter is a pain in the ass

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I'm pretty sure f/j would be the "best"

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if you were willing to practice

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:49 PM

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at any rate typing with one hand you're going to run into problems with enter and backspace

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I can do index on f, pinky on backspace/enter without too much difficulty

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:50 PM

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especially doing it keft handed

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how big is your hand / small is your keyboard?

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Yeah, left handed is a bastard

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I dunno really, and standard

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:52 PM

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📎 IMG_20190924_140815.png

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A -> #

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Width of my hand is about equal, but your fingers are longer

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:53 PM

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spindle fingers

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Same here

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 PM

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when normally typing i generally only use 2-3 fingers on my right hand

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idk why it just got lazy at some point

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so i didn't need to advance it

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Cramped up my hand from writing for too long

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/banana-weird-japanese-gif-4569773

Tenor

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this is how i mock you

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Learning to touch type is almost certainly worth the effort

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:55 PM

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definitely

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:55 PM

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at least it was for me. Far fewer typos

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:55 PM

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the problem becomes when you're just typing stuff into chat while not looking

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:55 PM

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made me love the command line a lot more bizarrely

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:55 PM

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and you've learned to not really think too hard about voicing thoughts in text through type

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and then you end up word salading because you're listening to someone talk

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or thinking about something else at the same time

small folio Oct 22, 2019, 8:56 PM

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i can do one handed and 2 handed but if i have to type something on the left side with 1 hand i fucc it up

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 8:56 PM

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'Word Salading' nice

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:57 PM

#

an actual term, word salad

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad

Word salad

A word salad is a "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly random words and phrases", most often used to describe a symptom of a neurological or mental disorder. The words may or may not be grammatically correct, but are semantically confused to the point that the lis...

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:57 PM

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I have hit the skill celing with point typing

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Like poking keys

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:58 PM

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what, grandad typing?

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Yeah

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Whenever I speak to someone about typing, they say "Yeah, I can touch type". I then watch them hunt and peck. Whilst a very niche frustration, I reall dislike that so many people who use a keyboard and mouse every day and don't know the right typing terminology

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:58 PM

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But really fast

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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the best way to tell if someone can really touch type is to just move all their caps around

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Main alphabet keys are 1 finger on each hand but I use other fingers for control keys

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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i did this to a friend once

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made his keyboard alphabetically ordered

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and moved the symbols around

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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I can "touch type"

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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he couldn't type for shit

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Like I don't need to see the keyboard

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

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for all your special characters too?

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 8:59 PM

#

Iffy

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But it would be a try 1 and "oh yeah, it's that"

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For something like the dollar sign

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:00 PM

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remove all the keys from the keyboard and try to put them all back on again without looking it up or testing

#

that's a fun one

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:00 PM

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I try to make my keys blank

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:00 PM

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people always say I don't need to see the keyboard

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:00 PM

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I ordered a blank set but they where for an ANSI keyboard

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:00 PM

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and then look at the keyboard

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 PM

#

spend your entire youth in a dark room with a keyboard under the desk on your lap

#

learn pretty quick

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:D

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 PM

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So I just turned backlighting off on normal keys and the print is hard to read without paying attention

#

Ok turning off the lights >:D

#

Yeah it's just the same

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 PM

#

first few keyboards i had after my Model M were cheap tacky things

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 PM

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I couldn't see them anyway

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 PM

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not even like, full core plastic lettering

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so you could wear it off

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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its not about the keycaps

#

its about the position of your hands

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Hm?

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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because you have no physical point of reference

#

without anchor keys

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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oh i'm talking about wearing keys down

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

#

Blind typing is for if you see the keyboard

stark prawn Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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I'm using some generic $20 tkl with noisy keys.

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

#

not specifically typing

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Touch typing is the one with a ton of fingers and 2 on f and j

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:03 PM

#

it's fun to watch letters slowly disappear over months

#

you get to find out which letters you're really using

#

ESDF went first for me

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Oh yeah I like that

#

I got some cheap keycaps

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:03 PM

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well, touch typing is a subset of blind typing

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:03 PM

#

e and w wore down instantly

#

It's funny to see the difference compared to page down or a similar key

#

Is it though?

#

You can still look at the keys when touch typing, no?

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

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no

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

You can

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

no

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

It is physically possible

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

not if you're touch typing properly

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

Who said properly

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

every touch typing class/course

#

which does exist

#

prohibits it

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

Then everyone would be blind typing

#

So everything would be a subset

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

but thats what touch typing is

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

#

well in general there are other factors that lead to faster / better typing rather than purely not looking

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

#

I need to learn how to touch type

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

#

i'd get a slap on the wrist for not using my right hand correctly

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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I can blind type easily

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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type using all one's fingers and without looking at the keys. dictionary definition

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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but it's how i've learned

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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But touch typing is the tricky one for me, hard to break a strong habit

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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I don't focus on the keys, but I can see how my fingers are moving at the lower edge of my vision.

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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pfft, that's a shit definition

#

and i'd not fit into that category

#

despite having a high typing skill

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Nobody would

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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because i don't use all the fingers on my right hand

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

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but, i don't 'touch type'

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

i never use my right thumb

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

Way to strict of one

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

what do you mean nobody would?

#

I fit that definition

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

All fingers

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

yeah

#

all 10

#

two thumbs on space

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

so you use your right thumb to press space too

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

you have 10 fingers?

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

because that's weird

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

Yes

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

thats impressive.

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

thumbs are fingers

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

My middle middle fingers

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

saying otherwise is ridicolous

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

thumbs are thumbs

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

Thumbs are thumbs

#

But we class them as fingers

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

you have 10 toes, however

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

but yeah, you only need one thumb to operate the space bar

#

idk why you'd need to use two

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

true

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

Toes are toes

#

Not fingers

#

Toes are more like thumbs

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

but I just alternate between them pretty arbritarily

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

Lots of little thumbs on your malformed hand with one big one

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

my point is, thumbs, by definition are not fingers. Else, they'd not be opposable.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

Yeah

#

It's weird when you remember that your thumb only has 1 upper knuckle

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:08 PM

#

so, if you have 10 fingers, you've got an interesting mutation there.

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:08 PM

#

alright

#

in the case where thumbs aren't fingers

#

I still fit that definition

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:08 PM

#

lol

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:08 PM

#

i type with about 7 fingers and 1 thumb

#

using my right thumb to press space feels... weird

#

i don't think i could adapt to that

#

probably videogames to blame

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

#

I type with about 6/10 stubby bits on my upper feet

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

#

5 finger typer for me (2lh, 3 rh)

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

#

esdf cluster typing

#

left hand super stronk

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

#

I tried learning colemak

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

#

right hand on mouse duty

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

#

but I found it miserable

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:09 PM

#

Left and right index fingers control left and right alpha keys

#

Then pinkies for control keys

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

switch to DVORAK or another layout, and you might improve your QWERTY after going back.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

And thumbs for space bar

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

oh lord i just tried grandad typing

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

switching to dvorak/colemak/other is worthless if you don't touch type

#

they were all designed around typists

#

who all touch type

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

Grandad typing is 1-hand poke typing

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

it is hard to do this after decades of not

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

But with 2 hands

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

#

it feels like i hve to actively restrain my other fingers

#

they want to break free

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

I did the first 10 years of computer life hunt/pecking. So at this point I can still hunt and peck at 40/50wpm

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

I have a horrible writing grip

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

I hate devices with ABCD keyboards.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

Way too tight and i'm left handed

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

i think last time i type raced these chumps i was hitting 90 - 100

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

Not great

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

Dymo, i'm looking at you.

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

<_<

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

I disilke races

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

🤔

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

oh god those label printers?

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

#

Oh

#

I need sleep

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

they are a HORROR SHOW

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

some of the cheaper ones are ABCD

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

it's disgusting

#

i get so lost

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

Oh

#

No

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

luckily work has a QWERTY one

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

so does mine.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

What about old phone keyboards

#

Integrated into the numpad

#

You have to press like 4 times for z

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:13 PM

#

thats not so bad, as it has enough cognative disonance to not confuse me

stark prawn Oct 22, 2019, 9:13 PM

#

These are unusable without predictive texting.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:13 PM

#

hello becomes 4433555555666

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 9:13 PM

#

or 4 3 5 5 6

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

#

gdko?

stark prawn Oct 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

#

You press those keys and your phone turns it into hello.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

#

I am using a tv remote for reference here

stark prawn Oct 22, 2019, 9:15 PM

#

There's letters on your tv remote?>

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 9:15 PM

#

Yeah

#

Never used them

#

Not sure what menu requires them

#

May just be a printing thing and it's cheaper to leave them on

pine vector Oct 22, 2019, 9:27 PM

#

the nice thing about the old keypad: one-handed, blind typing.

gentle moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:29 PM

#

i can't stay keyboards with no numpad

#

laptops excluded

#

ahhh, old phones

#

yeah, blind typing text messages

#

and knowing how to navigate your contact list

#

just pocket SMS someone <_<

undone berry Oct 22, 2019, 9:33 PM

#

I like my 10-keyless

#

the best phones had the slideout qwerty keyboards

#

I miss them so much

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:03 PM

#

Oh they where nice

#

Fun to play around with also

#

Now they are just commonly overpreiced slabs of easy-to-break glass and expensive-but-not materials

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:37 PM

#

📎 Screenshot_20191021-172806.png

#

NOOOOOO

frosty berry Oct 22, 2019, 10:40 PM

#

famous last word

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:48 PM

#

Vim is pretty cool

#

Past the "keybinds are hard so I won't learn it" phase

frosty berry Oct 22, 2019, 10:54 PM

#

yeah, that's what the vimtutor is for

#

it'll get you past this phase in 20-30mn

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:55 PM

#

Yeah, done up to lesson 2 of the vim tutor and figured the rest out as I went along

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:55 PM

#

@rough sapphire No SIM card?

frosty berry Oct 22, 2019, 10:56 PM

#

they have been muted for being (repeatedly) offtopic elsewhere, so you're not going to get an answer

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:56 PM

#

Ah, gotcha.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:56 PM

#

I'm guessing 13 year old with a new phone?

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

#

How goes it @vestal briar

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

#

Looks like he got a huawei

#

@rough sapphire pfp, nickname, anime background, screaming noooo jokingly to a phone update on a discord server

#

No sim card also

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:58 PM

#

I mean more, what's up with you

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:58 PM

#

Hm?

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:58 PM

#

WHAT'S NEW WITH YOU

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:58 PM

#

Oh

#

I thought you where interrogating me

#

:P

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:58 PM

#

Naw

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:59 PM

#

I have just been relaxing

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 10:59 PM

#

Neat

#

Anything special?

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 10:59 PM

#

Not really 😅

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 11:00 PM

#

Seems quiet on the server. Too quiet.

vestal briar Oct 22, 2019, 11:00 PM

#

Just lost steam on my main project so i'm at a loss for anything to do

#

Hmm

#

Well it's not halloween yet

rough sapphire Oct 22, 2019, 11:00 PM

#

Yeah, I know how that is

golden walrus Oct 22, 2019, 11:38 PM

#

spooky

rough sapphire Oct 23, 2019, 12:27 AM

#

spooky scary halloween

golden walrus Oct 23, 2019, 12:38 AM

#

danger

#

spooky halloween danger

#

are there any other reactions?

sand goblet Oct 23, 2019, 12:39 AM

#

Skeleton

golden walrus Oct 23, 2019, 12:39 AM

#

spooky halloween danger skeleton

#

hm, they seem to be ordered

#

halloween danger skeleton spooky

sand goblet Oct 23, 2019, 12:40 AM

#

Well it's likely just iterating over the keys of a dict