but there's also a nice array of other options too outside of xps
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
sand goblet
All of my machines are Dells
dusky orchid
dell xps
dusky orchid
that depends on the config
sand goblet
yeah, it depends
solid pollen
Everything is cheaper than apple products
sand goblet
they are generally better value
dusky orchid
it also depends where you are
sand goblet
all laptops are far more expensive than their desktop equivalents
dusky orchid
for fair reason
dusky orchid
gotta keep in mind you don't want a crappy screen either
and those are surprisingly non-cheap too
gentle moss
but yeah, airs aren't upgradable
dusky orchid
yeah that's pretty standard
solid pollen
Why do you think people often connect drives with thunderbolt to macs 🙂
gentle moss
fully fledged macbooks have real drives in them
and RAM
rather than being soldered to the mobo like an Air
so they are upgradable
fossil solar
I'm planning to buy a new laptop soon in some months
sand goblet
current gen macbook pros are not really upgradeable either
fossil solar
Oh okay
solid pollen
Appart from the thunderbolt yeah
fossil solar
I just want to get rid of my current laptop, I had to even upgrade to Linux cuz of the crappy workflow on win 10
😂
sand goblet
what's wrong with using linux?
fossil solar
I'm using Linux now
I like Linux
Not windows
Linux is faster
I like the custamisation, the Dock especially
Dosent lag
And I am using light distro, Ubuntu mate
fossil solar
because i want a new laptop @sand goblet
fossil solar
whats BSD
sand goblet
@fossil solar that makes no sense
oak tangle
Oh, boy, let's all gather around the camp fire and talk about spooky stuff
sand goblet
you need to think harder than "new laptop" when making a choice, my dude
fossil solar
well i dont think i can get laptops with linux installed?
fossil solar
good company?
solid pollen
Depending on where you live
fossil solar
India
sand goblet
they run pop! os, which is based on ubuntu
gnome by default I think
I've heard of them a few times
solid pollen
Or you can just buy a windows laptop and override it with linux
sand goblet
..no you don't
windows isn't €2
where the heck did you get that number from
you're paying like €150 for it
solid pollen
you can buy windows keys from manufacturer that buy too much keys for 4€
solid pollen
They buy hundereds keys at the same time they don’t pay them 150€!
yeah that have nothing to do
solid pollen
but i heard the 2€ thing somewhere
fossil solar
u use win gdude?
fossil solar
what do u mean by downtime
solid pollen
Like everyone should do 😄
sand goblet
desktop
fossil solar
okay
sand goblet
not a cheap desktop either
the desktop and three screens I got together cost around €3,300
gentle moss
[13:05] Ves Zappa: Oh, boy, let's all gather around the camp fire and talk about spooky stuff
but the ping was coming from...
LOCALHOST
fossil solar
i like portable stuff, fan of laptops
fossil solar
haha okay
fossil solar
oh
sand goblet
but it would exclusively run linux
fossil solar
haha okay
solid pollen
You can have one to use your sort of VNC
fossil solar
I also look at design of laptops, xD
sand goblet
I'd like to ditch the remote desktop
that's the point
it makes everything so much more annoying
fossil solar
whats VNC?
fossil solar
okay
solid pollen
For Virtual Network Computing
fossil solar
i would happily choose linux over anything if adobe considered it 😂
sand goblet
what adobe software do you use, iceman?
of course I already know the answer: you don't
fossil solar
for my coc game, i used my brothers photoshop account for posters
solid pollen
i would happily choose linux over anything if game makers considered it
fossil solar
and school fest video editing
vapid bluff
@sand goblet can you stomach a 4th gen i7? ive got a laptop with one from 2013 and it still runs pretty well. probably super cheap now too, especially secondhand. an ssd change and you should be good.
fossil solar
lemme show u the youtube vids
fossil solar
sand goblet
if I made enough to save up for anything I'd have already done it tbh
solid pollen
Oh and i would happily choose linux over anything if epic game (well ue4 dev team) and autodesk considered it
fossil solar
that is one of vids me and friend worked on, i did use my brothers adobe account tho
sand goblet
I'd stick with linux on a laptop because it wouldn't be my primary device
that's my desktop
I'm not gonna be gaming on a laptop, that's for sure
fossil solar
yep
sand goblet
I've been there
fossil solar
hypixel
sand goblet
I've done the linux gaming thing
I used to play overwatch on linux
it ran pretty well with dxvk actually
solid pollen
Well, all games built with unreal engine can be compiled to linux
fossil solar
what is the average life span of a laptop?
sand goblet
however long it takes for you to drop it
fossil solar
...
solid pollen
If you’re called linus : 3h
fossil solar
linus?
solid pollen
Linus tech tips
gentle moss
put an SSD in it gdude and it's however long it takes for you to drop in 100 times
sand goblet
ugh, that guy is a moron
solid pollen
C’mon guys tell me you know him
fossil solar
i know instagram page called by that name
gentle moss
and often gets stuff wrong
sand goblet
he's a complete fool
solid pollen
Those guys that count in feet
fossil solar
😹
gentle moss
idk how he even go to such levels of notoriety
solid pollen
He make french classes less boring 🤷
sand goblet
there are better channels for that
fossil solar
how old are you akarys
fossil solar
cool
solid pollen
only subtitles
fossil solar
where are you from
solid pollen
France
fossil solar
cool
solid pollen
I got some but we are 25 in class..
solid pollen
Seem okay
fossil solar
better than dell?
sand goblet
I don't like HP
fossil solar
2 conflicts
sand goblet
I'm a fan of Dell
The machines are a touch expensive and you're on your own with support, but they're solid, reliable machines
oak tangle
My previous work laptop was a Dell
fossil solar
whats ur current one
oak tangle
I wouldn't buy it myself (too expensive), but it was really good
I don't have one, right now
fossil solar
oh okay
fossil solar
lol okay
oak tangle
My personal laptop is an almost 10-year-old Asus
oak tangle
Mine's great
fossil solar
lol
oak tangle
Still works well (I'm currently using it)
solid pollen
My father have a asus laptop and it’s okay
oak tangle
Mine has a second generation mobile i7, with an SSD (added later) and 12GB of RAM (added later, started with 4)
fossil solar
my hp has 1.9 GHz dual core 4 GB ram and performs really well on this light linux distro
i3
solid pollen
The question is: M.2 SSD?
sand goblet
I have an nvme SSD at home
solid pollen
These things are so blazing fast
oak tangle
No
solid pollen
27 seconds to load of game of civ 6
oak tangle
I don't have an M.2
sand goblet
gigaoctets
first time I've seen someone actually using that
haha
usually I see GiB
sand goblet
my desktop does too
solid pollen
I’m tired, it’s holiday in 3h gdude 🙂
oak tangle
Yeah, it really made a difference, that upgrade to SSD
It basically meant I did not have to replace my laptop
solid pollen
That’s not a true M.2 NVME
a real one is around 100€/250gigs i think
Oh my bad i just checked the prices have dropped A LOT!
olive raptor
Same honestly!
Tech moves so fast you'll always feel like that
Better to just enjoy what you have
sonic night
@upbeat girder
Do u know Trio? how can i print out a task's stack at Trio?
checking how libraries print out stacks of tasks
solid pollen
What's this?
gentle moss
backward six
gentle moss
because i imagine that 6 is a price for a bus ticket with arriva
and it used to be a 5
solid pollen
Oh okay
gentle moss
a lot to unpack from one image
solid pollen
I didn't knew about the arriva company
gentle moss
but arriva are utter bastards
so it doesn't surprise me that they've jacked their prices
solid pollen
Why they are utter bastards? :)
vestal briar
Yeah, I was sitting at the front of the bus and the upper-deck windscreen was foggy
That was for like a week ticket, from £15 to £16
gentle moss
well the buses they run here are like 30 years old and falling to bits
vestal briar
I captured the picture and needed to scramble off the bus and forgot about it
gentle moss
they stink
vestal briar
Ours are new luckily
vestal briar
Ours are hybrids with fake leather seats
They run them on the main lines near rush hour
Otherwise it's a bus from 2008 era
@gentle moss Sounds like you have used my transport tycoon/ottd bus lines
tulip palm
the buses around here are weird. like, they're not too bad but they've been in use for yonks.
solid pollen
Why PyCharm..
frosty berry
hm, can you show the very first lines it does that at, and a few lines before?
the whole block might be over (or under) indented
solid pollen
It should be good it's from PyDis site repo (at least I hope). It is this one https://github.com/python-discord/site/blob/master/pydis_site/apps/api/tests/test_models.py
oak tangle
You mean this one?
solid pollen
Yep
frosty berry
hm, like 51 and on seems fine, i guess your pycharm is misconfigured
sand goblet
@solid pollen where is your right sidebar panel thing?
oak tangle
Can you click the red circle at the right top?
That should tell you the issues in that document
solid pollen
I don't have any right sidebar
sand goblet
hm, I guess community might not have any of these
sand goblet
go to the first red tick
solid pollen
I have the community edition btw
sand goblet
see what it says
solid pollen
Unsolved reference
It doesn't seem to detect pipenv
I think I have the worst PyCharm config in the world
sand goblet
I think you don't have your interpreter set up
oak tangle
Did you set it up for the pipenv environment?
sand goblet
go to file -> settings and go here
then there's a project interpreter dropdown
it should be something like this
solid pollen
It use my system interpreter
sand goblet
okay, click the three dots, hit add
select pipenv environment on the left
ensure the checkbox for "install packages from pipfile" is checked
solid pollen
Okay
sand goblet
hit OK
mine looks like this
all going well, it should set that up for you and select it in the dropdown we just talked about
then you hit OK on that
after that it should re-index
solid pollen
Okay it is installing it
Just before I go I get ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pre_commit' when I try to commit
sand goblet
Run pipenv run precommit
solid pollen
Ooh I was trying pre-commit
solid pollen
Line too long.. I hate linters 🙂
solid pollen
It's a freakin url how am I supposed to split it
sand goblet
gimme the line
solid pollen
It is behind the margin
I added the line myself : jump_url='https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/291284109232308226/463087129459949587',
sand goblet
maybe like
jump_url=(
'https://discordapp.com/channels/'
'267624335836053506/291284109232308226/463087129459949587'
),
Yeah I think
sand goblet
ugh, this plugin is great
didn't know how badly I wanted this
never mind it crashed pycharm
haha
summer rampart
that a web broswer? are you trying to emulate Emacs in Pycharm?
gentle moss
well aint that cute
BUT IT'S WRONG
not sure what made me more angry this morning
parliament or my code
solid pollen
So what happened to the parliament? They voted the deal?
gentle moss
voting isn't until later
gentle moss
Letwin will likely pass
Deal is a little more up in the air
still very 50/50
however a labour member made some EXCELLENT points about the deal
basically some of the language removed between this deal and mays (excluding key components) allows for the scope of a crash out with no FTA
which would mean reverting to WTO
"Under the previous deal, if the future relationship was not ready by the end of transition, the backstop kicked in. That prevented WTO terms. That's gone. This is a trapdoor to no-deal."
the chances of getting a deal by the end of 2020 is nil
sand goblet
Oh yikes
gentle moss
yerp
he also pointed out that being in the EU did not stop has, as boris has lied, seeking to have a HIGHER level of standards than the EU
nothing at all stops that
so the only reason to leave the customs union or single market is to LOWER our standards
to be inline with the US market
which is an entirely different trading model to our current one
it represents a fundamental shift in economic ideas
Twitter
Twitter
:D
Twitter
good statement
and i think accurate
sand goblet
So just a quick note on timings. We’re expecting a vote on the Letwin amendment between 2.30pm and 3pm.
If the Letwin amendment does pass, it’ll turn the meaningful vote into something of a damp squib. But crucially, we still don’t know how the House of Commons will vote – it could come down to only a few votes.
And just in case some MPs are still making up their minds, the government is still briefing against the amendment.
gentle moss
yeah, it's all looking very tight
sand goblet
I love how you never see food or drink in the house
you bet your ass I'd be scoffing malteasers during this thing
sand goblet
hahaha
So the last few speeches are taking place and the House of Commons is filling up.
There are 11 Labour MPs who are confirmed backers of the deal. But how several others will vote remains uncertain – making it unclear what’s actually going to happen in the next few minutes.
We also don’t know how Syliva Hermon will vote – though she didn’t seem too enamoured of the deal earlier.
Liveblog here if people don't want to watch the thing, https://www.thejournal.ie/liveblog-brexit-vote-deal-house-of-commons-letwin-4857329-Oct2019/
gentle moss
or the ian dunt guy i linked for a bit more levity
gentle moss
done all my pushes to production
so i think i'll fuck off home and do some code there
sand goblet
I'm slowly working on a PR for the next two hours here
then it'll be time to prepare for jackbox
deep lion
B_But... e_ed is the standard t_text e_editor..
sand goblet
here it comes
A little bit of crucial information in the mean time – it seems the DUP will back the Letwin amendment.
This might just get the amendment over the line in terms of votes.
@gentle moss Letwin passed
322 to 306
oak tangle
Now what?
sand goblet
Boris will have to go back to Brussels this evening to seek an extension
oh, he's refusing to do it
but this does mean the deal was accepted
“The best thing for the UK and for the whole of Europe is for us to leave with this deal on 31 October,” Johnson says.
“I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me to do so,” he tells MPs.
He seems to have been expecting this outcome.
“No delays and I will continue to do all I can to get Brexit done on 31 October,” Johnson says.
Does this mean we could all end up back in the Supreme Court?
solid pollen
They refused the deal?
sand goblet
Well, no
The approved an amendment to the current legislation which requires Boris to get an extension from the EU
in order for the UK parliament to get time to put the legislation in place to implement the deal
There likely will still be a vote on the deal
but the importance of such a vote has been removed
solid pollen
And what does he risk if he goes to the Supreme Court?
sand goblet
He'll be kicked out and there'll be another election
however that means they won't be able to go to brussels to secure another extension
because there'll be nobody to do it and not enough time to elect someone
rough sapphire
And then no deal?
solid pollen
So he is pretty safe?
solid pollen
Great..
gentle moss
[14:51] voodude: @gentle moss Letwin passed
[14:52] voodude: 322 to 306
faaaaaaaaaak me that's tight
not long till jack in the box
sand goblet
just under 2 hours, yep
gentle moss
i stopped watching after initial statements
wow
bojo has said he wont negotiate a delay
he'll just ask the EU for one and leave it at that
i wonder if he'll try to undermine that request somehow
two letters, for example
DUP was vital to that vote
fuck
gentle moss
doubt that
sand goblet
me too
robust sierra
getting ready for a toblerone shortage
gentle moss
writing scrapers is kind of therapeutic
thorn snow
I have a tablet as laptop
undone berry
Brexit continues until the heatdeath of the universe https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1185553735017287680?s=21
Twitter
solid pollen
What's the Letwin amendment?
gentle moss
Letwin amendment meant the government couldn't just straight push the deal
so bojo has to now seek an extension, by law, from europe
he has until 11pm tonight to do it
the general thought is he's going to be a twat about it though
"British parliament has asked me to request a extension.... There we go. Done. Anyway, it's my opinion that you SHOULDN'T give us the extension."
my bad
solid pollen
And if the UE refuse the extension?
gentle moss
when did that change?
it was supposed to be tabled after the letwin
has bojo backed out?
gentle moss
smells like someone's about to...
undone berry
something along the lines of "If letwin passes, we're doing fuck all today"
gentle moss
"hey, you know that we know about those sex workers you hired and snorted cocaine off... vote with the government."
tories legit have a "little black book" full of what i assume are crimes
undone berry
I assume thats true for whips everywhere
gentle moss
somehow i suspect the tory book is worse than any other party
undone berry
oh definitely
gentle moss
there was a big hoohaa about how the book potentially contained sexual harassment in the workplace type shit
against lower level staffers by MP's
abortions, all sorts of stuff
the fact we know they have that book and knowledge but are just allowed to sit on it is pretty disgusting
for all parties
gentle moss
i think this week i might attempt to merge our voip phone remote phonebook system with all other dashboards
because it has a login system, which i haven't needed to make for any of the other projects
but then again, it uses sqlalchemy
frosty berry
wait, politicians are openly talking about this kind of retaliations if other politicans don't vote in their party line?
frosty berry
ah ok
gentle moss
sometimes the odd bit gets leaked out
frosty berry
nice
gentle moss
or something someone did becomes widely known
and then people from the party were like "yeah, we kinda knew that"
frosty berry
:/
gentle moss
UK politics is super corrupt in a lot of ways
but it's legal corruption
so it's fine, right?
frosty berry
we've had some of that regarding the #meetoo movement, and even before with DSK, somehow apparently everybody knew and acted like nobody knew
gentle moss
yeah, that stuff happened a bunch
fun one in UK parliament is if you have a vested interest in say... housing
because you own an apartment block as an MP and rent it out
you just have to write down in a register that you have that
and you can still vote on housing related laws
👍
frosty berry
oh, they introduced some things like this years ago, after a scandal with the budget minister having a swiss account
gentle moss
you're allowed to have a conflict of interest AND VOTE on that conflict
but you have to report it
frosty berry
they now have to publicly declare revenues and assets
gentle moss
it's only bad if you don't report it
frosty berry
but apparently a lot of them still brazenly underdeclare, being pretty explicit that they don't want to tell
gentle moss
ends up with like: "MP who owns +100 houses and rents them out votes against law which would require landlords to make sure rented houses are fit for human habitation"
that stuff
frosty berry
yeah, i'm less surprised by that
gentle moss
they shouldn't be allowed a vote
it's a pure conflict of interest
you don't let a surgeon operate on his wife type of thing
especially if he hates her
frosty berry
it's hard to decide at which point a conflict of interest prevents good judgement on a subject, by law, so forcing to declare and hoping the public will take that into account when voting them in is kind of the minimum position
gentle moss
i think if you're a landlord you shouldn't have a vote on subjects related to landlords
that's pretty straight forward
frosty berry
i can relate, but i think it's harder to judge than you think, if only other people can vote on your rights with your property, then you are not going to be very confident in the future of your property
and i mean, i'm not really one to be absolutely for property, i think there should be limits to it
but that's not how our societies have been defined
property is considered one of the most untouchable thing
gentle moss
people can not be landlords and still be against the human habitation thing
but it creates a direct conflict for a landlord
frosty berry
it's always easier to ignore the complexities of a business you are not in
i think it's healthy that everybody in the relationship has the hability to voice their concerns
frosty berry
but there is a problem when the elected officials are not representative of the society, which is obviously the case, because in this situation, not everybody has a say
gentle moss
like someone with a conflict should be allowed to provide an argument on behalf of landlords to the house
but they shouldn't be allowed to vote on the motion
frosty berry
most career politicians are wealthy people, that never had a physical job, and oftentimes not even a liberal one either
gentle moss
quite true, that's a far larger problem
enough UK Prime Ministers went to Eton College that when another gets elected
they get the day off school
¯_(ツ)_/¯
frosty berry
(currently reading the new piketty book, and boy has it been historicaly important that politicians where wealthy)
gentle moss
it's such a regular thing for them, they've turned it into a celebration
and considering most members in government and on the opposition have the same privileged education
i feel that there's a lot of "we have more in common than we do with the people"
so certain things get done in their interest
rather than ours
frosty berry
i don't think they even think that way, they are just out of touch, and they don't know by how much
they misjudge what's good for the people, or at least what people want, because they are very remote from the difficulties they face
and their very mode of thinking is constrained differently, a good education is the normal thing, and having to care about the next meal something they can't even fathom
solid pollen
So how the brexit is doing?
gentle moss
prolly fine
EU are likely to grant the extension BoJo legally has to ask for
so that's shoved it back until Jan 2020
solid pollen
The brexit was voted how long ago now? One year?
solid pollen
Well, you now have Google :)
sand goblet
We had Google anyway
vestal briar
I feel like it's just going to continue to be a stalemate
It's been 3* years already with little progress
gentle moss
gentle moss
work, news, projects
usual
i mean there's always more but you don't get to know that
gentle moss
more like my personal life isn't any of your business
rain spindle
OOOOO
gentle moss
yeah it's not sexy.
rain spindle
Lmaooo
atomic plover
When your mom is going to abort you, but she procrastinated and went into labor
tame pier
!warn 354812070824378368 "No meme dumping, as I told you two weeks ago"
royal lakeBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @atomic plover (1 infraction total).
tame pier
Also, that jokes just in bad taste and not wanted anyway
atomic plover
I literally have no idea how to send memes in the server, first, it’s about context. Now, idfk
tame pier
Just don't
robust sierra
rough sapphire
then you download a car
golden walrus
exactly, kids these days
robust sierra
download wam
golden walrus
I would download a car if I could
actually
I could, a 3D model
but I couldn't print it
rough sapphire
if I could download a physical car, you're damn fucking right I would
I'd even pirate it if need be
robust sierra
cars are overrated
robust sierra
download magic carpet
golden walrus
that's even better
robust sierra
exactly
vestal briar
I can download a car 🤔
There are rc cars avalible to 3d print if the cars are also allowed to have electrics in from a shop
Or simple plasic models with no power under their own weight
oak tangle
But you wouldn't, would you?
gentle moss
a full sized soap box car
you could hook a dyno up to the wheels so at least it'd have a stereo that worked
it'd be great if it was a tape player too as the motors would speed up / down with your speed as you went down a hill
vestal briar
Hm, how to use a midi keyboard with an adapter from early 2000s in linux
PuseAudio doesn't detect but lsmod is showing it as general snd
Suspect I need some strange audio driver, a new adapter or a soundcard
gentle moss
is it doing midi -> usb?
vestal briar
It's showing a yellow blinking in indicator
But nothing for out
When I plug in MIDI OUT into the keyboard, no lights at all
gentle moss
no idea tbh
vestal briar
Ok
It works fine on windows
I got it to detect the device
But having trouble setting up a synth
aseqdump -p [keyboard id] and I get the correct midi data
nimble schooner
dabbing in the #ot1-perplexing-regexing
lime gazelle
@nimble schooner sorry kind person but I have to take you to jail 
nimble schooner
Lmao
I need a way to make a self bot in discord.py with a email and password!
Arrrrgh
It's for a status changer
Since I'm on mobile
TwT
nimble schooner
But I'm talking about user accounts, and I can't get my user token since I'm on mobile
lime gazelle
nimble schooner
And before 2018 there was a way to use username and password
But they don't work now...
lime gazelle
this?
nimble schooner
But how would I use this (await login(token, *, bot=True)) with an email and password?
await login(token, *, bot=False) is one thing
Would it be python await login(email, password, bot=False)?
nimble schooner
Ooof
lime gazelle
probably not
vocal wren
"Automating normal user accounts (generally called "self-bots") outside of the OAuth2/bot API is forbidden, and can result in an account termination if found." (https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002192352-Automated-user-accounts-self-bots-)
lime gazelle
@nimble schooner
you can get a token me thinks
like I don't quite remember the process BUT if it's just following the links on the doxs..
dusky orchid
@nimble schooner As bsoyka has linked above, automating user accounts in any way is 100% against discord Terms of Service. As per our own server rules, we do not and cannot help with breaking Discord TOS, especially as we're a discord partner.
@lime gazelle Please read the above and take note too, as you've actively tried to assist with this.
lime gazelle
@dusky orchid yes I'm sorry :( I had good intentions. I meant no harm
very very sorry
dusky orchid
it's ok, as long as you keep in mind 
lime gazelle
ye! 
nimble schooner
Oh ok then sorry TwT
shell blade
dry zenith
hey guys, what's the name of that effect
where you watch news coverage of something you're an expert on and go 'wtf this is all wrong'
and then when you watch news coverage of the next topic that you don't know much about, you trust it again
it has a name, I can't remember it
rough sapphire
@shell blade Yep, banned.
nimble schooner
Is there a API for Disboard in python?
Or an API at all?
I want to make it so I can bump it with my bot instead
rough sapphire
Disboard?
sand goblet
it's a server list
the answer is no @nimble schooner and also probably that we can't help you
most of these server lists only want bumps from actual people
nimble schooner
Okay then
lament jackal
dab
still sierra
Oh I've disabled these channels so I didn't remember there are somethings like these
@vapid bluff
It's a kind of a maze game
@vapid bluff I've sent you two files, download them and put them in one folder and then play the .exe file
vapid bluff
i didnt receive your exe, and im a little wary of running one, no offense
still sierra
@vapid bluff don't you have things like idk a Firewall or an Anti-virus to check it out and see if it's a virus or not?
rough sapphire
Can't you execute the files?
vapid bluff
it's alright, i'll run it but it's just generally frowned upon to expect others to download and run an unknown exe
tame terrace
@still sierra please don't send exes to people in this community.
and I would recommend against running it.
gentle moss
we are an uncompiled community
frosty berry
a software doesn't need to be a virus to do a lot of damage
still sierra
@tame terrace I didn't send it randomly
tame terrace
I didn't say you did.
still sierra
I sent it due to the discussion we had
tame terrace
yeah. don't do that.
still sierra
Guys as the way you're talking I'm just getting worried that my file is a dangerous thing
frosty berry
and anti virus can't detect all nefarious behaviors, only commonly known one
still sierra
It's a really harmful thing! It doesn't hurt anything!
tame terrace
that's not relevant. please don't do it.
rough sapphire
This is what everyone says
frosty berry
the thing is that it's very hard to verify that for somebody that receive it
rough sapphire
Just don't send files for people to execute
frosty berry
even running it in a VM is not necessarily safe
rough sapphire
thanks
frosty berry
(though it's a lot harder to escape a VM to do bad things, some people are good at that)
tame terrace
wanna send someone a program, that's fine, just send them the code. no need to compile it for them.
certainly not if it's python
still sierra
I've compiled it before for myself
And also I don't want my code to be revealed and 1% be used by others
tame terrace
then the remaining option is to just not send it at all.
still sierra
But I want others to see my project
this way all files which we can download from internet are harmful
because people don't share the code they've written it by
so I can't download any applications because they're dangerous!
tame terrace
!warn @still sierra sending executables to members of the community who did not seem to be comfortable with it, and then being very argumentative when asked not to do so.
royal lakeBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @still sierra (1 infraction total).
frosty berry
yes, downloading things from the internet is dangerous
rough sapphire
he was clearly not ok
tame terrace
they literally just said they were wary of running it and that it was frowned upon. lol.
still sierra
and then in DM I asked him if he wants me to cancel the file being sent
and he said next time I zip it so it be sent sooner
frosty berry
you should only download and run programs you are confident in the author and the origin is trusteful
rough sapphire
In server he sent messages that can prove he was not ok with that
So just stop arguing
still sierra
then the problem was fixed in DM
tame terrace
it doesn't matter. your line is "oh okay, sorry, I won't do it again." we don't want people sending each other executables in this community, and you've either got to accept that or find another community.
still sierra
I ASK them
rough sapphire
ok nice, just don't do that again
vapid bluff
the exe was taking a while to send and still hadnt arrived when you asked me if you should cancel it, so i suggested that it'd be faster to zip the code up and send that instead. then it arrived pretty much immediately after i sent that message. it's not to say that im ok with receiving the exe, but im just trying to get across in a polite way without outright accusing you of anything that it's not a good idea, as everyone here has explained.
rough sapphire
can i have problems if i use a proprietary image in discord?
gentle moss
downloading / sending exe's has long been a thing that's just kinda not done. there's years of history behind the distrust of unknown source / function executables.
firewall / antivirus can only do so much to protect you, especially if you use a signature based AV
vestal briar
Woo the keyboard works
rough sapphire
good work
vestal briar
Time to learn how to play the piano
still sierra
@gentle moss KEEP IT CLEAN!
oak tangle
He suggested to start with c major, not a minor
gentle moss
<_<
gentle moss
it's not like i asked him to finger a minor on the g string
cough
"keep it clean" is more of a reference to boxing etc
rather than use of language
bar certain words
still sierra
😐
So I can use these words ||fingering|| and ||fucking|| easily here?
It's not polite dudy
rough sapphire
Better than whatever i think
frosty berry
from what i saw, they are used, not too often for my taste, but definitely liberaly
well, the first one is rarer, certainly, it's rarely appropriate (and it possibly was not here)
sand goblet
I disagree that people should be moderated based specifically on the words they use, I prefer to moderate based on context and intent
frosty berry
the second one is used as a harmless explective pretty often
gentle moss
this is all very exciting but excuse me while i go play on my g string
lament jackal
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oak tangle
@still sierra It depends on the words and the context. Sexualized language and discriminatory language is not okay, but we're not too strict on the occasional swear word, unless it gets out of hand or is directed at other people. When it comes to topics, I think a good guideline is that the topics should be okay to discuss in public or, say, at the watercooler at work. Now, that's a vague and subjective guideline, but it's difficult to define a line.
We do have a code of conduct, which may help: https://pythondiscord.com/pages/code-of-conduct/
golden walrus
notice there are 13 year olds in the server
and it's not like they aren't dirty
but we're adults
still sierra
@oak tangle tnx!
oak tangle
Yes, that's a good point
rough sapphire
I'm not adult 
sand goblet
Oh, that's new
still sierra
maybe 1 year and half?
sand goblet
When did that get put in place, Ves?
oak tangle
@sand goblet Yes, it'll be announced soon
I've uploaded it this week, but it's been in the works for a while now
sand goblet
Looks pretty good at a cursory glance
oak tangle
It's mostly based on existing code of conducts
So, it's not something we developed from scratch. (See the attributations at the bottom.)
wow
English is difficult
still sierra
@oak tangle it's general and detailed
Better to say
Short and detailed
It is difficult
sand goblet
Yeah that looks like a good code of conduct I think
still sierra
lol
sand goblet
Definitely one of the better ones I've seen
sand goblet
No, better
still sierra
better than?
still sierra
hmm
English is difficult
I'm still learning English
it has been 7.5 years till now!
by .5 I mean 6 months
rough sapphire
I'm learning makes 1 and a half year
still sierra
Awesome!
robust lake
So, does anyone here know a good way to determine the legality of 'scraping' a webpage through a company's EULA?
there's a web app I'm using that has an online textbook, and I want to use the online textbook's built-in Print Page button to print n pages after the page I start a script on. How can I determine what EULA agreements pertain to me, and whether or not this is legal?
I'm not big on getting myself banned from the textbook I'm supposed to be using for the rest of the year
rough sapphire
@robust lake just search for the part about 'reproducing'
or 'any part' 'this publication'
usually the block of text that comes with that should help you figure that out
robust lake
Ok yeah, it says something like permissible when used for personal educational use
So it seems like it's fine as long as I'm not distributing any pages to anything outside of my own machine
Next question though is figuring out selenium
actually, that might not be nececary:
Is there a python library that can click parts of the screen on windows?
Actually, that's a google
sand goblet
You're running it locally, I hope
vestal briar
Looks like bt has changed their logo
rough sapphire
hi
still sierra
hello
rough sapphire
can u teach me how to code
still sierra
what do you mean?
rough sapphire
i want to become the best coder ever
still sierra
You're a complete beginner to python and wanna start learning?
still sierra
Come to dm
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire don't execute files
@rough sapphire what
if he send you something to execute, have caution
And you can use the resources
!resource
royal lakeBOT
rough sapphire
i dont trust u hacker
go to the page
how do ik u wont hack me 😠
?
click on the hyperlink
There are resources that you can use to learn
plucky ridge
Uzu, I already told you to look into the resources page
The page that aliver just linked via the bot is the same place
rough sapphire
oh
@plucky ridge im gonna become the best coder in the world
automate the boring stuff is actuallly really good
yes
aliver
Start now then
@rough sapphire r u good at coding btw
?
nah
i'm beginner
can u tell how to open python on window
im a noob at the moment
no
i'm on linux, sorry
plucky ridge
Look at the resources we've pointed out to you
rough sapphire
You can search tutorials on internet too
There are lots of them
good luck
@plucky ridge ok wish me luck
but a few weeks
i will surpass ur knowledge
Doubt it
but ok
rough sapphire
what is this
coding is hard
hobby is when you do something for fun
coding is too diffuclt
How old are you?
13
well
how old ru
17
Try youtube stuff
vestal briar
Corey Shafer
rough sapphire
is probably easier
what is this owez?
i see
https://www.youtube.com/user/schafer5 @rough sapphire
frosty berry
yes, coding is hard, and yes, you need to read, if you read and go step by step, and look for more information every time something is unclear, instead of trying to make it work by chance, then it'll get easier
(started coding slightly older than you, at 14, i'm no 20 years older).
plucky ridge
Does coding a game on my calculator count? Because if so, then I started around that time as well, but didn't really get super into it until... I guess my early 20's?
rough sapphire
is fluent python a good read after automate the boring stuff or i should read something else?
frosty berry
i have it, i need to read it, even if i'm quite experienced, i'm sure i'll learn things
plucky ridge
Honestly so long as you're able to read docs you'll be good
frosty berry
too many books to read 😬
plucky ridge
Oh yeah, Fluent is incredible.
plucky ridge
I highly suggest testing the stuff out as you, go though
rough sapphire
Thank you
plucky ridge
Really helps it stick
rough sapphire
yes, i do that usually
i coded
and hackerman
yea
learn by doing things from the base
the basic things at least
see that
You can just learn logic by coding
plucky ridge
Basics are the most important part of coding.
plucky ridge
Everything builds off of your data types, if/else statements, loops, etc.
plucky ridge
Yeppers
rough sapphire
is this right?
if password is ''username''
print( welcome to game
else
password incorrect
im i right :))
use the help channels
plucky ridge
I'm just putting that up front
lime gazelle
whiIiIiIich one shoOoOoOoOuld I use?
to liIiIiInk hacktoOoOoOber
do I have to uUuUuUse Mungari?
grave phoenix
Wut
grave phoenix
Why you talking like that
plucky ridge
Yeah I'm unsure why you're intentionally trying to push people's buttons
Would appreciate it if that stopped
vestal briar
json formatter that just pretty prints from the json module to get text from a cli
I mean it would output a python dict
vapid bluff
uhh
so all my chrome tabs just went totally black
like solid black
the entire window is one black block
gg
thank you chrome very cool
rough sapphire
You've been hit by, you've been struck by, a state actor!
vestal briar
Firefox to the rescuuuuueee
rough sapphire
Though, the two trackers in the mobile app ( according to Exodus ) doesn't instill confidence.
vestal briar
Firefox-based tor browser to the rescuuuuueee
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire ghahaha that page
@rough sapphire What about it?
"If this application does not sufficiently respect your privacy in your opinion, some alternatives exist!"
*click on link*
"Use Firefox!"
I didn't see that, but Exodus is pretty great for getting a good idea as to what programs have what trackers.
yeah i know, i just found it pretty funny
vestal briar
Refuses to work over here