I mean they are just hashed
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
sorry, yeah, that's what I meant
rough sapphire
was thinking of databases and decoding at the same time
rough sapphire
i mean
it doesn't really matter when the hashing algo is fed raw bytes anyways
the algo don't care what bytes it's being fed
foggy marten
I'm scared of dust mites
rough sapphire
i'm not too fond of ants
foggy marten
when I see ants I'll think that my house is not clean
you should be scared of dust mites
and germs the bad ones
vestal briar
Looks like a beanbag that had a holiday in chrenobyl
foggy marten
AH
vestal briar
Yeah
foggy marten
my mouth?
vestal briar
Tomatos commonly have mites on them
Yeah ofc
There will always be a trace amount of fecal matter on your hands and eyes
Many parasites eating you and everyone else
¯_(ツ)_/¯
foggy marten
how can i sleep with them?
vestal briar
A lot of the time they help us
Like ladybugs eating insects
Just the food chain, we need them to survive a lot of time
foggy marten
ok
vestal briar
They are only a concern if there are too much of them, as with anything
Too much water and your kidneys fail
Etc
foggy marten
but someday when I learn a lot of electronics I'll make a suit that will clean me 24-7
vestal briar
Don't
Without these all animal life and most plant life would be extinct
Theres good and bad bacteria
By washing yourself constantly it's bad for your body
rough sapphire
that's a virus bro not bacteria
vestal briar
Talking about any
Went from insects to mites to big mites to bed bugs to bacteria to viruses
solid pollen
Try also import antigravity
solid pollen
It actually do something ? 😄
halcyon aurora
How do disable announcements ping.
sand goblet
!unsubscribe in #bot-commands
halcyon aurora
Tyty
waxen karma
The internet is out at the data firm I work for, and we're descending into madness and chaos without it
Since 80% of us need a connection to do any work and stragglers in the other 20% dont want to admit they can work offline
lime jewel
"
‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as 'leave me alone,' 'go away,' or 'I’m not discussing this with you.'
Someone’s refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
Criticisms of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions
" @sand goblet these are the ones that are explicitly not protected. The only one of those that I could see maybe being an issue is the first one. and even that doesn't seem bad especially when these are examples of prioritizing "marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort" im not sure if im missing something obvious
sand goblet
reverse-isms are a huge problem
it used to be in the github code of conduct as well, until they realised how toxic it was and removed it
I think it lasted like a week or two max
you can say that it's for prioritising marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort, but that's discounting the possible safety of a huge group of people based on their race, sex, identity, etc
it's just going "well these people are marginalised, so let's see how you like it" since it paints such a big target on your back
this isn't the first time this code of conduct has come up here, and I think the reality of these situations is that no discrimination is okay
if you have to go and say "all discrimination is bad except these specific instances towards groups we don't like as much", well.. yeah that's kind of shit, don't you think?
which they actually do say, since they denounce all discrimination earlier in the CoC
I should say, I'm sure they're not deliberately being malicious
but the implication is tricky, people that weren't in charge of implementing the CoC could interpret it in problematic ways, and the implications aren't exactly friendly
I've been running communities and projects for over a decade by the way, so I'm not talking out of my ass :>
lime jewel
ty for taking the time to respond, i really appreciate it.
I really don't follow code of conduct stuff as much as I should (..at all) so I didn't realize that this hasn't worked out in the past
I will say that I think theres a big difference between 'this comment is hateful' and 'this comment is reverse[bigotry]'. I don't think I've ever seen a legitimate complaint use the latter wording, and I have seen a lot of cases where a priveleged person didn't like something and complained about it when it didn't affect anyone's safety. (similar things directed at different groups can have different levels of 'bad' considering historical context i.e.: trans ppl suck vs. cis ppl suck. yeah, neither one should be said. and shitty ppl exist in both groups, but one group deals with descrimination on a regular basis, and has to worry about their safety, the perpretrators of which are in the other group. and 'not all x' sure, but the fact that it's not 'no x at all' is what makes the difference in my mind at least?)
idk, i really appreciate your thoughts on it, and did actually want to hear them, sorry if it feels like i'm just being argumentative. but i've also kidna got lost in my thoughts at this point
sand goblet
haha, don't worry
yeah, it's not an easy thing to break down and figure out honestly
and I agree nobody is gonna go "well this guy is being a reverse-racist" because reverseisms aren't really a thing
it's more the idea of reverseisms that is a problem
it's just.. racism, but against a white person or whatever
it's still racism however you look at it, right?
if you look at this another way, there's a lot of things that go into the marketing of a community, and the code of conduct is a huge part of that
and sure I agree that people complain about trivial stuff all the time
this is the internet, right? haha
that said, you can't be both for equality and also think that some group should be more protected
something you can do to figure out how unfair a rule might be is to reverse some of the definitions
"All discrimination is bad, unless it's racism towards caucasians"
"All discrimination is bad, unless it's racism towards african-americans"
these are both shitty rules, but only one of them will get the twitter mobs trying to dox you
my personal opinion is that all negative discrimination should be disallowed by the rules of any inclusive community, regardless of who the target actually is
using examples of groups that are typically marginalised to make your point is fine
but you can't deny those protections to any particular group, that's immediately unfair and could be compromising to the safety of the people of that group, regardless of how privileged you think they are
if that makes sense
sorry for the wall of text lol
hope that helps @lime jewel
lime jewel
yeah it does!
sand goblet
it's all opinion really, you might not agree, and that's cool
it does make me feel uncomfortable though, it's why I refuse to make an account there
lime jewel
i got distracted working on a takehome assessment. I'm to the front end portion and i haven't done any front end work before, really? so i feel like the flood gates have opened a bit. but i do really appreciate you taking hte time to explain your thoughts on it
sand goblet
Haha, no worries, hope that goes well for you
I enjoy front-end but it can be a bit tricky
and hey, I can talk the hind legs off a donkey, always happy to explain
lime jewel
thanks, i do too!
sand goblet
I was kinda looking forward to hacktoberfest, but eh, I don't really want to support dev.to
Guess I'll sleep on it
shell blade
Oh snap It hacktoberfest !
patent ferry
wew
rough sapphire
the fn key is before the ctrl key on my work laptop..
every time I copy with fn, it works.. but paste doesn't... why is that
sand goblet
@golden walrus Was explained above, issues with code of conduct
lilac cairn
@rough sapphire the keyboard layout prob
rough sapphire
what do you mean cat..
lilac cairn
keyboard layout for different languages. could be you have it set wrong somehow
inner breach
Twitter
patent ferry
hmm
torn leaf
I'm ashamed, my dad forgot what pycharm was and he said he thought it was luckcharm
Sad
grave phoenix
Kek
autumn night
vestal briar
So confused
tired osprey
That's the internet for you
tulip palm
i usually leave my phone at home because distractions are not good for working
apart from mondays because i get important bank texts and stuff on mondays
rough sapphire
Most everyone has their phone
grave phoenix
There's a thing called Do not disturb
shell raptor
Fun fact without any relation to Python:
In the "Index" section of the 2nd edition of "The C programming language" there is an easter egg.
Look at the recursion entry
robust sierra
hah
grave phoenix
Heh
shell raptor
huh
vestal briar
hoh
wooden kindle
hyh
golden walrus
there's a joke like that in Monkey Island 2
amber glacier
Joe said this server sucks.
tired osprey
That everyone can judge for themselves
amber glacier
No, I mean the Joe.
wooden kindle
I don't know any Joes
vestal briar
Average joe?
amber glacier
Joe mama.
wooden kindle
Average Joe probably doesn't even know Python so it makes sense
vestal briar
Yes
vestal briar
Not too sure on that one bud
vestal briar
What about a cup of joe?
amber glacier
Guys, I'm gonna die on Fortnite.
wooden kindle
"I know English I just don't know how to communicate in English"
amber glacier
I'm dying to the gas.
vestal briar
@wooden kindle Please stop quoting my autobiography
amber glacier
@wooden kindle That's an even worse example.
Because most people know English exists.
wooden kindle
vestal briar
Hey bisk
vestal briar
Are you talking about the male genitalia, python language or the snake?
amber glacier
Snake.
tired osprey
Has he even been doing something different than trolling why being here
vestal briar
cough Hardly
vestal briar
Read over the message history, slowly
tired osprey
Right
vestal briar
Want to restart it?
tired osprey
Okay I'll just go back to maniac laughter about how we (quote from our internal blog) are going to roll out Wire as internal communications solution at the 1. Of August
There isn't a single machine running wire
vestal briar
The signal clone?
amber glacier
Wire?
vestal briar
Nope, not heard of it
amber glacier
As in the metal stuff?
vestal briar
amber glacier
Yep, just googled it.
vestal briar
Ew google
amber glacier
Ok DuckDuckGo user.
vestal briar
I mean I have no quarrel
tired osprey
So wire is fully oss
vestal briar
You consent to it
amber glacier
I don't care if Google sells my data.
vestal briar
That's.. bad
tired osprey
And ya know we have people who will not give up their IRC clients (among them me) for wire
Ergo
vestal briar
What's your full name and location?
vestal briar
Why not trust me?
vestal briar
No I don't
amber glacier
I'll dm Nix my full name and location.
tired osprey
Money?
vestal briar
Yes
tired osprey
I like money
tired osprey
But I think that gdpr doesn't like what I'm planning
wooden kindle
Wire seems like a step in the right direction, except it needs to be free and open source
I dunno I feel like there's a need for a modern communication platform
vestal briar
On another topic, it's weird how many people have died
And overall sad
Like someone that lived for 70 years just 500 years ago is not remembered at all
wooden kindle
But today's ideas are an accumulation of everyone that's died
tired osprey
Wire is free software?
vestal briar
Yep
tired osprey
All of it is gpl V3 licensed
vestal briar
They live on in well.. us
vestal briar
Like everything should, comrade
tired osprey
< what this boi is gonna do
And there is a unfinished graphical rust client by them
Which is not what I want
wooden kindle
I was toying with the idea of a secure communication platform written in Rust
Not exactly sure what it would look like but it seems like a fun idea
@vestal briar honestly though
vestal briar
Had the same idea
e2e encrypted client
With a minimal frontend similar to torchat
Super lightweight sort of thing
tired osprey
Can't we just write a wire plugin for irssi and be happy with if
I doubt you want to rewrite the server (it's Haskell btw)
vestal briar
I dislike haskell
vestal briar
Just to weird? Not sure how to explain it
Sure functional programming is cool but that's overdoing it
wooden kindle
"No need to document, just read the code"
vestal briar
Feels like an esoteric language (?) that accidently gained traction
wooden kindle
Honestly you get everything you'd find in Haskell out of Rust
wooden kindle
Refusing to compile for shitty design is a good start
wooden kindle
I think being backed by a large company has something to do with it, and they have a very clear set of values that guide their decisions
Also just really smart people
vestal briar
:)
Thinking about it, it's a miracle how well a Result<T, E> went down with the community unlike what go does
Both have no exceptions
tired osprey
Result<T, E> is not at all a pattern unique to rust.
tired osprey
I've heard of some
vestal briar
The V language is a very intresting corner of compilers
wooden kindle
import os
// Print file lines that starth with "DEBUG:"
fn main() {
// `read_file` returns an optional (`?string`), it must be checked
text := os.read_file('app.log') or {
println('failed to read the file')
return
}
lines := text.split_into_lines()
for line in lines {
if line.starts_with('DEBUG:') {
println(line)
}
}
}
hmm
vestal briar
You know the os.system hook is just calling c
And injecting it into it
It's silly vunrable
And hasn't been fixed even after much scrutany
tired osprey
I don't remember anymore as well
vestal briar
Getting a ton of chrisitian websites
It was posted here but now I can't find it
Looks like a ton of his stuff is propriatery and shady also
With $900 per month
wooden kindle
C and JavaScript backends
Yikes
vestal briar
It just translates a very basic parser tree into c
wooden kindle
ah
frosty berry
haskell is designed by a bunch of mathematicians iirc, and if not mathematicians, people very much from academia, they want something very pure and terse and correct before everything. It's not too bad for a language designed in such conditions, a bit abstract sure, but usable.
wooden kindle
That makes sense. Honestly I'm a fan of the language, just not as accessibile as I'd like
Compared to Rust and Python at least haha
vestal briar
Tron are you doing alright?
rough sapphire
lol
I accidentally replied to some message from a while ago..
then the page refreshed on me.. o.o
oak tangle
@torn flower You should have access to the rest of the server; you have the appropriate role.
stable shard
Not a python question but more of a general practices question: I have a script that requires the user to configure variables by manually inputting them at the top of the script. Would it be better practice to offload this user input into an ini file or keep it in the script?
vestal briar
Toml file
stable shard
So basically an ini? 😛
wooden silo
@stable shard A configuration file is generally preferrable, yes.
It lets you easily switch between different sets of parameters. You can have one for testing and one for production, etc.
toml is a more modern format than ini, but either one would work.
stable shard
I shall endeavour to swap over to a toml file then, thank you for the input
I wonder if there is an alternate universe where C was named P instead, so you would say "I just added some PPP code"
vestal briar
PP code
grave phoenix
PP2PP code
grave phoenix
Lmao why
sand goblet
PPAP code
wooden silo
@rough sapphire Automate the boring stuff is a great book. It's free to read online, but you can buy it paperback if you want.
rough sapphire
thank you
ok, duckduckgo might be good for privacy and all but
yep, but duckduckgo will have no idea what you mean by "melon" and will not give you any relevant results
which is sad, because I'd really like to use it
but I can't if it's just not accurate
yep, no change
golden walrus
I've decided to sell Google my soul
compact harbor
I start with DuckDuckGo and then switch to Google if I don't get useful results. It works well most of the time but the more obscure the topic or the more poorly constructed the search query, the worse it does. Whereas...Google kinda magically deals well with both of those scenarios.
That your experience too @rough sapphire?
sand goblet
DDG has a !g I think
But yeah most of the results are shite
Which is why I don't use it
rough sapphire
no
rough sapphire
I'd like to eventually remove my dependency from google as well, its hard though
rough sapphire
i am learning python from pdf book (chrome), is it possible to save the page i left on? so if I open the pdf file again, I don't have to scroll through 600 pages.
deep elk
oof, i had the same problem
rough sapphire
and did you manage to fix it or did you just get used to it? 😄
deep elk
open google drive and click open with
rough sapphire
and open with what?
deep elk
pdf viewer
rough sapphire
i mean, there is like 3 of them
deep elk
The one that says PDF Viewer
rough sapphire
there is none, just lumin pdf a dochub - view and edit pdfs
will just try lumin, thx
deep elk
deep elk
Lumin doesn't save i think
I think you should go to connect new apps
and get PDF Viewer
rough sapphire
found it, thx
deep elk
np bro
dire nebula
Hola :)
I can see that you guys omit a few files, such as urls.py, admin.py and all migration files. Can I ask why those files were chosen? I'm currently implementing coverage to my project, and initially omitted all files I didn't 100% test my self, such as manage.py, all my serializers.py, models.py and so on.
Django discords .coveragerc:
https://github.com/python-discord/site/blob/master/.coveragerc
Maybe this is the wrong place to ask, though
E.g. my tests folders give me like 15% higher coverage if I include them, so normally I omit them.
sand goblet
Presumably because they aren't really testable @dire nebula
dire nebula
I see. But I feel like if I don’t omit all my files, they’re giving me a “false” high codecov, e.g. my tests folder is getting 100% codecov, and consists of a loot of lines
vestal briar
The sl command is fun :) https://asciinema.org/a/9PS2x9aJsM2q0OHiCCWOR8TCU
vestal briar
:)
rough sapphire
fix your damn fonts ree
rough sapphire
oh thats cool the linux community will hate on your for using powerline though so be careful
gentle moss
the linux community will hate you for everything
tired osprey
Do I get hated for this as well?
vestal briar
Hah horrible something
gentle moss
it's all horrible
so much wasted space
@vestal briar
what's the new GCSE grading?
1 = good
8 = bad?
vestal briar
1 is bad
4 is pass
5 is high pass, what you want at minimum
9 is like a star star
undone berry
eh. 4.9% got A*s a few years ago and 4.7% go 9s this year
gentle moss
we cannot think of a thing
to give a work experience person
at all
there's either shit loads of confidential data
or stuff that we wouldn't trust to a random work experience person
undone berry
some python script?
like, just let them learn python for 2 days
or however long it is
also, have you been told that you need to accept a work experience person, or are you just doing it to be helpful?
undone berry
oh wow. Thats a lot longer than I thought it would be
gentle moss
he's got like 4's and 5's
and is studying uhhhh
"Forensics and Cyber Security" at a local (not good) college
undone berry
is it an OCR course does it say?
gentle moss
does not say on his CV
undone berry
Ah sure. I dunno, BTEC courses generally don't attract the best people
undone berry
can you not just "interview" the guy to check if he's a moron?
gentle moss
it's like a satellite
yeah but even if he's not an idiot (p.s. mong is offensive now i think?) i'm not sure what we can get him to do
undone berry
Like, I did a btec thing (not technically a btec but I don't remember the right name) and 6/8 people on the course realistically belonged working in Home Bargains
I guess that is the main issue
but motivated people seem generally good to have around
vestal briar
Hm
You could be shitty but industry standard of just letting him be the offices secretery
gentle moss
i just looked it up
undone berry
my suggestion is don't do that
gentle moss
it's a BTEC
gentle moss
also, i did a BTEC in music technology (level 3)
undone berry
having someone around being the office secretary is a bit of a dick move imo
gentle moss
it was really useful because i got a job at the college that did it
vestal briar
It's quite standard unfortunately
undone berry
at least try and provide some value to him
gentle moss
that's our problem
undone berry
the fact its standard isn't really relevant to whether or not Bisk should do it
vestal briar
I'm going to council work experience
gentle moss
we don't want him to just organise the stock room (because he'll probably fuck it up and misorganise things)
vestal briar
Not expecting much
vestal briar
Ask him what he's good at in computers
gentle moss
can't let him near the servers
undone berry
you have any random hardware nonsense he can do?
vestal briar
Give him a useless project for it
gentle moss
we have random hardware he can basically play with for two weeks
before we then just wipe it and put it back in stock
undone berry
Just let him set up some random webserver
vestal briar
Either that or secretary work
undone berry
you're doing a good thing
undone berry
thats what all work experience is
like he can get coffe and play with cpus
thats fine
probably he'll spill coffee on the cpus
but yknow
undone berry
although, its definitely a good idea to check that he's not a complete idiot first
gentle moss
i think we've decided it's a no
plus it seems like he'd do 1 full week
and then a day a week for 6 weeks
gentle moss
yeah
gentle moss
last time we had a work experience person in we had them do stock checks
little bit of design for our van
stuff like that
he fucked up the stock room something chronic though
because he doesn't know the difference between DVI, DVI-D, DVI-I, DVI-A
or RS-232 and VGA
or RJ45 and RJ11/9
solid pollen
He doesn’t have google ?
undone berry
well
you might just not notice
the only real difference is in the pins
for some of those at least
solid pollen
I mean DVI and VGA ?
undone berry
DVI, DVI-D, DVI-I, DVI-A
solid pollen
They doesn’t look the same at all
undone berry
very easy to mix up
solid pollen
Yeah these one maybe
gentle moss
VGA vs RS-232 is a case of just...
looking
but kid had never heard of a serial connection let alone seen one
tired osprey
we're not allowed to use ethernet cables on some of our things for security reasons so we must wire them up with RS 232 stuff lol
undone berry
What are the security reasons? Is there some vulnerability in ethernet, or is it just that rs 232 is more obscure?
gentle moss
i'm gonna say obscurity
i do wonder if maybe the system is old enough (since nix has alluded to that before) that some software uses the serial connection to send data or smth
networking over RS-232 seems a lil' weird
sinful copper
back in the old days of apple macintosh they did networking over their serial ports (technically RS-422)
tired osprey
nah its actually possible to use an ehternet cable instead of the RS232 cable for that very purpose and as long as you dont have to use our system for <insert english term which basically means secret data handling> you can actually do that but as soon as you do some regulation prohibts usage of an ethernet cable to communicate between the two physical components of our firewall for reasons I can surely ask a colleague tomorrow (today is a free day) if anyone wants to know
alternatively one could probably read the actual standard at the responsible government department
however while the reports they send us are fully english their website is a piece of shit in english or thats at least what ive been told
sinful copper
I suspect it's a defense in depth thing where if the device has an ethernet port for that purpose, someone might plug it into an insecure network
tired osprey
oh it does have one
the hardware for the secret and the non secret systems are the same
sinful copper
fill it with epoxy 😛
tired osprey
so a quick read of the report on the thing shows that it is actually necessary to do this but doesnt explain why
oh i know why
tired osprey
@gentle moss its because even if you can attack the application level gateway, which actually terminates connections and recreates them at the other side, thus being actually attackable, unlike the packet filter which just filters packets based on ports, ips etc, you cant go back to the packet filter and take that over as well, even if you do have admin access on the ALG as you literally only got a tty and well how do you attack a tty on a serial connection you dont know the password for
so as long as you dont manage to send a TCP or UDP packet, so fucked that it actually breaks the OpenBSD network stack its more or less impossible to actually take over the PF
L
because it actually doesnt communicate at all
actually
grave phoenix
How big can an internet packet be?
tired osprey
it would be interesting to read the code running on both to see how teh ALG admin interface gets over the filter rules to the PFL then
would be fun to see if it actually logs in over the serial connection manually which seems like the only option to me
lets find out tomorrow
did you know a document can be barrier free?
vestal briar
I wonder what sentance you can use to break all the rules in as few words as possible
gentle moss
which rules
gentle moss
not really.
just cause i use swears doesn't mean i'm a total dick
that being said
i just glued a biro to my co-worker's desk
tired osprey
why
gentle moss
well i tried to glue a load of plastic cups into a cup tower but the cups weren't taking the glue
tired osprey
cant you just shredder something again
gentle moss
well we do have 6 years of financial documents to shred
but they need to be reviewed first
tired osprey
cant you shred something else
undone berry
What do you regard as the 3 areas you need to improve and why? I have to answer this for some shitty job applicaton form. I have no idea what to put
gentle moss
hmmmmm
tired osprey
Well that would of course be your ability to work in a team because you can always improve with that
undone berry
I put friendliness because I often seem like a miserable bastard when I'm not
gentle moss
- you tend to get bogged down in the details, like tunnel vision
- you hate printers
- michelle in HR is a pain in the arse and i need to learn to deal with it
undone berry
I'll take one of those three
but I can't decide between Michell or bogged down in details
gentle moss
:D
i tend to use bogged down in details / tunnel vision as a thing
because it is a bad thing
but also not entirely negative
vapid bluff
- i dont have enough flaws and need will work hard on cultivating them
- due to my lack of flaws i am unrelatable to the general populace whom i deem beneath me and a waste of my time
- due to my disconnection from society at large i have developed full fledge psychopathy send help
no need to thank/credit me
undone berry
I don't even know anything about 'metaswitch' the company I'm applying to
but I've spent >1 hour on this godawful application
vestal briar
Looks like the most boring company I have heard of in a while
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaswitch The wikipedia page fits on my screen
undone berry
I spent 90 minutes on that fucking application
then googled them
and was like "I have no urge to work here"
what a moron I am
vestal briar
:P
The directors have been there since 1981
Another telecommunications company
No events of notability since 2000
Uhhhh
Why would a company need to explicitly state that it doesn't have slaves
undone berry
the government expects all companies to have one
vestal briar
I have never seen this before
gentle moss
piers
you should've seen my face after i got through like 25 pages of GCHQ application
gentle moss
before hitting the "TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW"
undone berry
My friend is doing a placement year there
gentle moss
compromising
undone berry
and he has to sit down with a vetting officer
and talk about literally everything
including stuff like porn habits
gentle moss
the level i was applying for would involve interviews with family members / close friends
undone berry
and what video games he plays and whether he has ever cheated
gentle moss
plus i know for a fact i'm only 3 degrees from snowden
undone berry
yeah, thats the same for him
gentle moss
just not worth it
plus the public pay is fucking wank for comparable private jobs
good perks though
nice pension
undone berry
yeah, their grad salary is ~28k, vs say Facebook which is ~70k
or a random financial corporate that I know of with ~40k
gentle moss
or even just a medium size security company
you can easily get 35 - 45k from one of them if you've got the skills to get into GCHQ
undone berry
yeah exactly
gentle moss
plus you don't get fucking anally probed
grave phoenix
Why do they need such personal info
undone berry
working for the government, so you have access to secret info. They want to make sure you can't be blackmailed, that you can be trusted, and that you aren't a liar
grave phoenix
But isn't that illegal?
grave phoenix
Here you can't be obligated to answer personal questions
undone berry
what do you mean by obligated? You can of course say no, and then just not get the job
but its pretty certain that every government intelligence agency in the world will require similar
grave phoenix
No like, if the company does that they could be sued.
undone berry
well this isn't a company, its a government body
grave phoenix
Weird
gentle moss
you realise like
GCHQ is the most pervasive intelligence agency on the planet, right?
people talk about the NSA
but GCHQ is 100% worse than them
sorry, 10000000% worse than them
grave phoenix
I don't know them
undone berry
Random question: where is cooler to work for a placement year, MI5, or GCHQ?
sand goblet
Neither of them strike me as "cool"
undone berry
really?
You gotta admit, MI5 has kinda a secret agent spy vibe to it surely?
I agree that its inherently a pretty not-good place, but it is surely cool?
sand goblet
I think it sounds cool until you realise how important the work is
Then you really want to be down to earth about it
rough sapphire
@undone berry Wait, you want to work at GCHQ? :S
undone berry
no - I dont - I just have friends who do/are
rough sapphire
Ew.
I was gonna say that if you were interested in that kind of thing, maybe https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/48/ would persuade you
undone berry
this website is visually terrible
but I knew they were pretty awful, I wasn't aware of the extent
rough sapphire
First time being on the website as I have no idea if you have a Spotify account.
Oh, you'll enjoy this episode then.
rough sapphire
GCHQ is NSA
rough sapphire
gchq knows all your pornhub searches...
rough sapphire
what I miss
would you work at pornhub if you had the chance.. I wonder what the perks would be..
gentle moss
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah
no but like...
you realise GCHQ take a tap off every major internet interconnect on the planet, right?
rough sapphire
Which is what the NSA does too.
gentle moss
nooooooooooo
rough sapphire
Yeah.
rough sapphire
gentle moss
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
does that cover global interconnects between major continental landmasses?
rough sapphire
https://www.eff.org/nsa even redirects for it
gentle moss
all EU data that goes to the US
goes through the UK
and is tapped
by GCHQ
that's ignoring what they do in africa and india
like NSA is bad for COLLECTION
but GCHQ actually does the dirty
rough sapphire
What makes you think NSA doesn't?
rough sapphire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtQ7LNeC8Cs explains quite a lot of things NSA does.
gentle moss
trust, GCHQ is worse than the NSA
rough sapphire
I remember seeing this when it came out
gentle moss
yeah, i've seen that
GCHQ is worse than the NSA
for a start our government said what they did is legal
i can't go uhhhh
yeah i gotta be careful
because beer talk
rough sapphire
I mean, it's argued heavily that what the NSA is/has done is highly illegal. But they continue to do it regardless.
gentle moss
holy fuck i really wish i had lower morals
rough sapphire
You wouldn't find me doing any of that. Couldn't pay me enough, even if it was 7+ figures.
gentle moss
agreed
but we have a business partner and one of the dudes was a GCHQ analyist
major listening post
would make the snowden shit look like childs play
in terms of traffic intercept
not in terms of collection
rough sapphire
You listen to Darknet Diaries?
gentle moss
uhhh, no
rough sapphire
Check it out. It's amazing
gentle moss
i just drank loads of beer with an ex-GCHQ high level analyst
rough sapphire
Latest one is about GCHQ breaking into Belgacom's ( Proximus, now ) network.
gentle moss
and beer confidence
is beer confidence
all of what he told me is LEGAL
but not legal to publically talk about
global core fibre taps
not saying where
but it's uhhh
bad
but parliament says it's fine
so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rough sapphire
EFF and others would be interested in that information
rough sapphire
It's got nothing to do with "snitching". That's information the public needs to know.
gentle moss
entirely legal where i live
rough sapphire
Then what's the issue with explaining it to others, if it's legal? 😄
gentle moss
because the act is legal
disclosing it isn't
you remember the thing with GCHQ hitting a belg telecom?
rough sapphire
Yeah, I just brought that up.
rough sapphire
They found out it was GCHQ because of the NSA documents disclosed by Snowden.
gentle moss
yeah, that ONE
rough sapphire
Though the slides "weren't enough" to prosecute, supposedly.
rough sapphire
UK truly is 1984.
gentle moss
any traffic from the EU
to the US
goes through a UK hop
with a GCHQ listen post near it
rough sapphire
Yeah, underwater fiber.
gentle moss
that part is "open" knowledge
rough sapphire
After listening to a few Darknet Diaries, it's complicated to piece together a good threat model and how to defend against highly paid nation states as a developer.
rough sapphire
Would be hard, considering the geographical differences between us 😄
gentle moss
yeah well, if you visit the UK
it doesn't take many drinks for me to spill beans
SURPRISINGLY AN EX-GCHQ ANALYIST IS THE SAME
rough sapphire
Might have a better chance meeting you at a convention somewhere in the states.
gentle moss
maybe if i flog enough datto shit i might get to go to texas
rough sapphire
Texas? SXSW?
gentle moss
nah, Datto conference
rough sapphire
No clue what that is
gentle moss
we need to sell about £7k more devices
Datto is a company
mostly disaster recovery / backup solutions
we're a partner
rough sapphire
So, Veeam?
gentle moss
sorta
but better
they rent you high spec hardware servers that maintain an image of your servers
so if a server dies
it detects it
assumes the identity
~10sec failover
ish
then it also backs it up to a cloud
so if your whole building burns down
you have your entire server set in the cloud as VM's
router + vpn, like nothing happened
just some extra latency
rough sapphire
https://www.veeam.com/veeam_backup_9_5_datasheet_ds.pdf has Instant VM Recovery as well
gentle moss
does it offer high spec locally hosted shit?
rough sapphire
Image-based VM replication too
gentle moss
i have heard of veeam, but they wont give us a free trip to texas
we already had one to france and madrid
rough sapphire
Touche 😄
gentle moss
the madrid one was weird
"wanna come to our madrid conf?"
"we're busy and it costs a bunch"
"we'll cover conference fees."
"but the hotes are expensive....."
"nah... we got you."
pine vector
the world is so cruel...
rough sapphire
just sign me up as a consultant, I'll work pro-bono
gentle moss
lol no
rough sapphire
can you talk to me about containers and vms
I'm trying to understand autoscaling..
for vm's to autoscale, there's other vm's created and there's load balancing..
just trying to wrap my head around how it works for containers.
iirc, baremetal -> resource discovery -> volumes created programatically from common pool -> volumes mounted on a pod, where pods are essentially containers clustered together as a working unit .... and container orchestration mounts these pods into worker nodes as and when resources are required.. is that right?
gentle moss
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i haven't had coffee yet and i think the sharpie is seeping into my blood stream
rough sapphire
you ate a sharpie?
gentle moss
nah, just doodled
undone berry
I've done AJAX with both React and JQuery
fossil solar
okay, i need a small help
undone berry
I can try - but #web-development might be a better shout
undone berry
even so, JS is very much related to any kind of web dev
fossil solar
okay
undone berry
JS is also referenced in the description of the channe
dapper pendant
that moment when the boss removes the rotating grafana graphs of everything happening in our system running on the big screen in service & dev area, and replaces it with sales metrics because he never looks at the graphs
sand goblet
sounds like the time to complain
solid pollen
We should rename off topic channel to complaining channel 😄
oak tangle
Oh, no, you want 12A, next door.
dapper pendant
And please fill out two copies of the TPS report
gdude: would love to complain,but he's the ceo of company so no one in authority to complain to. Just fellow geeks!
sand goblet
I mean I guess technically I am
it's just not trading yet
haha
thanks @median dome
grave phoenix
G+?
sand goblet
H
grave phoenix
That's the only one I know
solid pollen
Picasa’s dead ?
sand goblet
yeah, has been for ages
grave phoenix
Don't know them
solid pollen
The only thing i know about picasa is that it’s the default image viewer on my mother’s computer 😄
summer rampart
that would probably save erm time if erm you were playing connect four with a 10,000x10,000 board
summer rampart
ohno are we talking in syp discussions or ot1 haha
shadow jetty
pff, i can be anywhere
i'll add a list to keep track of number of checkers to simplify some logic, and then can work from there to get a faster checker checker
shell raptor
That feeling when you started a project today, and some of its parts are already legacy code.
shell raptor
Well, it depends on the game and on what you mean by 'easy'.
It's not an answer, but still.
If you want a solid prototype, it's probably not that hard.
But you will have a problem with performance.
Some parts of your game might require a lot of computational power, and Python is considerably slower than C++, C# and other languages that people usually use in game dev.
hollow leaf
Examples of computationally intensive game aspects are types of physics and rendering. Some cases you want to escape-hatch into C++/C# for that.
rough sapphire
tame terrace
this is a lovely otname.
rough sapphire
kosa-kosa-kosa-kosa-kosa
golden walrus
inktober
rough sapphire
is it someone's birthday
gentle moss
it's always someone's birthday
summer rampart
my birthday is in November, presents thanks tron
oak tangle
What's the history behind this ot-name?
maybe it was prior to your dash-fix
Oh, no
you added it yourself
gentle moss
self indulgence
summer rampart
I was testing whether mods have otn a perms
gentle moss
oak tangle
You're so vain, you probably think this name is about you, don't you?
summer rampart
Turns out the answer is yes
summer rampart
the k in bisk stands for kosa
gentle moss
it actually stands for "thousand"
oak tangle
The g stands for a whole lot of ot names though
summer rampart
is that morse code
robust sierra
kosappreciationclub
summer rampart
I don't deserve appreciation
robust sierra
kosayodling
summer rampart
is that noun for a baby kosayoda or is that a verb
robust sierra
baby kosa
Kosing would be verb
Kosa was kosing kontrolling his newborn kosayodling's behaviour
summer rampart
sounds inappropriate
tame terrace
gdude is probably in second place
tame pier
His name is just so memeable
tame terrace
naw, that would take the fun out of it
I believe volcyy is in third
although most of those are volcyyisms
and not direct references to his name
gentle moss
i am accidentally a minor celeb in this place
you should see the jackbox games we do on saturday
ooooh, deleted. he had naughty stuff in the gif
my bad
vestal briar
I'm not in any :(
tulip palm
i'm in a few i believe
solid pollen
Bisk and gdude are the number one reference in the saturday jackbox games 😄
rough sapphire
huh
the train's a minute late
this has never happened before
oh wait no, there it is
solid pollen
At least it happened yesterday
Btw @sand goblet i filled the form for the saturday jackbox, but now that i’m thinking about it i probably did some conversion error with the time zone 😄 (time zone are my weak point). It is 10AM for me right now, i think it is the same as you
sand goblet
9.30am here
solid pollen
Oh so +1 then
rough sapphire
I have a bunch of infractions.. where's me award..
robust sierra
yeah wheres my award
gentle moss
people keep telling me i should use vi
but i haven't used the first 5 so i feel like i'd be missing something
rough sapphire
har
gentle moss
that is, objectively, a good joke.
rough sapphire
it's pretty alright
rough sapphire
oh sweet
... the train was a minute late this morning and it's a minute late again
are the trains running a minute behind today or what
oh, wait, no, my clock wasn't synced
sigh
gentle moss
:D
you ever had to administer certain windows servers that had time drift?
fucking weird stuff
like they'd sync from NTP regularly but time would drift
until eventually no one could log in through AD
rough sapphire
luckily I haven't had to administer any windows servers 
gentle moss
aha
i had write a powershell script to manually resync the time based off a GOOD ntp server
windows time service is a fucking joke
i think it's got better since Server 2016
tired osprey
@rough sapphire consider yourself lucky its just your clock, here the train coming 10 minutes too late is considered lucky to average depending on where you are
rough sapphire
given relativity and all that
tired osprey
and yes GPS does account for the relativity theory, otherwise it'd go around 10 km off every year
rough sapphire
@tired osprey yeah, trains are pretty fucking on point here
never had a train late
rough sapphire
I thought I had my first late train earlier today but it was just my clock
tired osprey
ill just go back to crying in the corner if thats okay
gentle moss
it was funny xx
iirc
when they designed the system they were like "we need to factor in relativity or it wont work"
military were like "THAT'S JUST SCIENCE MUMBO JUMBO"
cue it not fucking working
"told you so"
sand goblet
hey bisk
you might enjoy this
CNN's areva martin decided to either invite this guy to her show or go on his show, to talk about her beliefs
this guy, david webb
he was talking about where he came from, building up a radio station, etc
and she accused him of having white privelige
he's black
sand goblet
I'm watching an interview with the guy, but here's an article https://www.businessinsider.com/david-webb-fox-news-cnn-analyst-2019-1?r=US&IR=T
pine vector
@tired osprey DB, late? wha...?
tired osprey
yeah totally unlikely right
pine vector
that David Webb thing was comical...
sand goblet
it's a pretty funny situation
but you have to wonder what she was thinking
it feels like he explained his life story and she went "well a black person couldn't have possibly achieved this"
pine vector
gotcha interviews. they can go wrong...
sand goblet
this is the second time something like this has happened recently, although the other one was slightly less stupid, it was definitely at least as negligent lol
sadly BBC didn't actually put out an article
tired osprey
.....black albino?
sand goblet
yep
tired osprey
how does that work out
sand goblet
born to a black family, would have a darker skin colour, but suffers from albinism
tired osprey
i see
sand goblet
it's a fairly well known thing across the animal kingdom
some people with it also have red eyes, I think
sand goblet
They all have 'em