also addresses with &
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
golden walrus
grave phoenix
Well, you can still do a lot without pointers
grave phoenix
Well yes
You need them for allocating memory
But, a lot of that stuff is hidden
Like a vector
And if you have to manually allocate memory there are smart pointers so you don't have to worry about leaking memory and stuff
brave zealot
Coffee > everything else
golden walrus
my colon can't take coffee anymore 
brave zealot
oof
brave zealot
Nah, coffee
atomic carbon
golden walrus
rough sapphire
we had regular kahoots as part of a class during university
it was very competitive because my class was entirely competitive people..
and the final grade depended on one of the kahoots.. the professor decided to include negative scoring for one question...
so annoyed at him since.. and it's been two years already.. lol
viral parrot
what a brilliant thing to do..
since the point of any teacher is that you remember π
frosty berry
I still remerber my first year teacher who told my parents not to expect too much, well i'm an engineer and she's probably dead by now. But good for her i remember i guess.
sand goblet
I had the opposite problem
Everyone told me I'd build the next Microsoft and yet here I am at a low paid office job
Fuck expectations in general
frosty berry
Ouch, indeed that must hurt
But yeah, they certainly shouldn't have formulate such high expectations, that even with enormeous talent and work, still require luck.
I had a friend the people called bill gates in high school, and he knew a lot about programming and electronics, i'm not sure he even works in the field now.
He didn't study well, too much into pot and unfocused.
wooden silo
Maybe we should just stop deciding what's gonna happen to people when they grow up.
vestal briar
Yes
undone berry
Far too much emphasis is placed on kids doing great things, and far too little on just enjoying their lives as kids
rough sapphire
the UK teaches far too much office skills over anything else, or did when I was at school. thank god for STEM initiatives such as raspberry pi
gentle moss
aye
the little i was at school IT (renamed ICT) classes were just how to use excel / office
which was a) boring and b) something i could already do
frosty berry
the UK was an empire, much like france, schools were designed to create a lot of administrators
undone berry
should I say 'worked with FOSS to do XYZ' or 'worked with FOSS software to do XYZ'?
I realise the second is kinda a tautology because FOSS includes the word software, but it reads much better
vestal briar
My python installation is fucked
Strings are broken
Fstrings have died and input() does not work
summer rampart
what version are you on? what did you do?
vestal briar
Not sure
It's 3.6.8
Something is 100% wrong
Syntax highlighting is also jiggered
prisma geyser
Hey! Is anyone up for Google Kickstart round F?
Am thinking to participate but dunno if I would be able enough considering am a newbie πΆ
waxen pewter
@ashen haven I'm heading off for a while, but I did take a closer look and at least I think I figured out a). You didn't show what you got, but it looks like it'd be way too small (considering they're asking for explicitness). The result I got also seems to match with part b). You should find this section useful for a), if I'm correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_probability_distribution#Mixed_case
(Putting it here since this mathy stuff doesn't fit in the python help channels)
(Also notice that for part b, they were asking for five different estimators, so not just pi as was suggested)
Do try to understand a) and b) solidly, or as solidly as possible. Part c) is just about implementing the formulas from part b), and that shouldn't be hard (in the sense that it'll be easier to find help, at least) if those formulas are clear
ashen haven
okay @waxen pewter thanks xd
rough sapphire
@sand goblet Except it's Huawei and the U.S. frowns upon them.
+1 on the lack of gapps though
sand goblet
I mean there's no gapps because of the embargo
rough sapphire
Yeah, I know that. But it's nice to see regardless.
vestal briar
Wow 700mb worth of python 3.6.8
Reinstalling to 3.7 or 3.8
3.7 it is
Oh dear it fucked up sidebar
Time to restart
Well that's a simple way to kill gnome
Time to upgrade, add some more stuff and hope gnome works
sand goblet
Good job breaking it, hero
vestal briar
:)
Ah it seemed to have removed gnome and Ubuntu desktop
Fixed
23 mins later
Now I have a fresh 3.6.8 and 3.7.3 install
rough sapphire
@vestal briar Did you install a new Python on top of the old one?
vestal briar
Accidently
I removed 3.6.8 not knowing what was to come
But it seems it was still installed
rough sapphire
Yeah, never touch the Python that's pre-installed
Guaranteed to cause agony and pain trouble
compact harbor
That's the second time I've seen that advice. What's that about? Why is Python required for Ubuntu to function properly?
rough sapphire
@compact harbor It's most Linux distros from what I've seen, since most scripts are going from Bash to Python
compact harbor
Woooaaahh that's kinda exciting. I had no idea.
vestal briar
I thought that I could get away with quickly switching to 3.7
I knew it was required but not that required
fossil solar
btw why do people use multiple monitors while programming?
1 monitor is connected to its own cpu?
nvm, another question, how can i know i can use a image from online in my website? i mean regarding copy right stuff
can i use all from pexels website?
dusky orchid
why do people use multiple monitors while programming
Extra screen space often means less shuffling around trying to find a reference or open editor, so it's more productive
how can i know i can use a image from online in my website
If it doesn't have a license explicitly attached to the asset, then don't touch it. If it does, read the terms of that license.
Pixels has a license:
https://www.pexels.com/photo-license/
vapid bluff
i want to reinstall windows but am not looking forward to setting up the tons and tons of config already in place again
are there any programs thatll make this easier? something thatll automatically detect and carry over installed programs, their associated registry entries, etc?
carmine mango
Probably not
gentle moss
ninite is super handy
frosty berry
maybe it discovered some more updates along the way
gentle moss
sometimes it do
rough sapphire
more likely the install of that thing failed and it rolled back.
azure brook
...
rough sapphire
@azure brook Ok, first, what operating system are you using?
rough sapphire
(Windows, Mac,Linux)
Ok.
You'll want one of the installers from here : https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/installer/
either is up to you.
azure brook
it's 32 bit & I am using 64 bit
rough sapphire
it's just the installer
azure brook
So, after downloading and setting this up will my issue be solved?
rough sapphire
the cause of that specific message should be, yes. provided you've set it up properly.
it seems odd to me your IT teacher has asked you to do this without giving you instructions on how to get this bit sorted. It may be an idea to ask them for assistance.
azure brook
hmm
rough sapphire
anywhy, you'll probably benefit from following this guide. http://www.mysqltutorial.org/install-mysql/
azure brook
well appreciated sir I would set this up and ask my IT teacher afterwards.
Thank you so much
rough sapphire
its possible for instance that your teacher already has set up mysql for you somewhere, and has given you the server details?
rough sapphire
not that I know of. it could, depending what yo've been asked to do and what resources you've been given.
rough sapphire
no worries.
azure brook
gotta go
rough sapphire
laters
lime gazelle
Mfw when I get a free tour of the networking / security operation center 
Next objective: snoop around in the big data offices
lime gazelle
Tho I want to work in the soc/noc or as a linux/unix sysadmin 
gentle moss
see what happens
lime gazelle
I don't want to make my already slim chances of working there 0
I could try and hop into their network tho 
gentle moss
our apprentice used to work at a NOC
low level guy
he said it was dull as shit and all he had to do was wait for alerts and then elevate it
lime gazelle
you always start from the botton
gentle moss
it's true
lime gazelle
Bottom*
gentle moss
and it beats fixing printers
lime gazelle
Yes
Beats being in triage too
From there I can hop into cyber or idk what else
II could do so as a sysadmin and I'd enjoy it more I feel but you need a car to do it
@gentle moss what is it that you do? π€
lime gazelle
π
I have a coworker that saw the evolution of pcs
From programmable calcs to ibms to dos to windows etc
gentle moss
ahhhh, nice
lime gazelle
He's a living geek encynclopedia
gentle moss
technically C, but i never really stuck to learning a language until i got into this job
so i'd say really, python is
and i only learned that to automate the easy parts of my job
brb, driving home from work
lime gazelle
π be safe!
vestal briar
And that's the last we heard of bisk
lime gazelle
Frick did I send bad omens?
I know some phrases that sound nice aren't actually nice in English
There is still a lot I have to learn
gentle moss
be safe is fine :D
solid pollen
It's fine he seem to be alive :)
gentle moss
what seem to be and what is are often very different things
that is to say
things that look like things often look more like things than things
solid pollen
?
lime gazelle
I agree
I look like a competent person, in reality I spend my work hours trying to catch a ball in midair and failing miserably at it
I can't be a sysadmin/noc/soc peep, I can't juggle
It's known, it's a prerequisite to work in IT: you must be able to do cool shizz with foam balls
gentle moss
:D
the best trick i've learned in IT is to be fairly confident in stuff you have a vague understanding of and then google the shit out of it
lime gazelle
I'll take a gamble π
rough sapphire
@lime gazelle What was your question?
lime gazelle
I'm doing the 8 queens problem and I think I have it worked out, some
I'm worried I'm evaluating the board wrong tho
Yeah it just goes on forever, I can't seem to find a solution to it
gentle moss
i've solved it with maths before
lime gazelle
I'm bruteforcing it :>
gentle moss
i regret not doing that
lime gazelle
Can I send?
My prompt is filled with "wrong combination" and it doesn't seem to end
Eh it'll crash eventually π
solid pollen
What is it?
lime gazelle
8 queens problem
place 8 queens on a chess board so none of them can attack eachother
gentle moss
you can always stick it on https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ and post it here
solid pollen
That seem pretty strait forward
gentle moss
nah, code in general.
lime gazelle
Crap don't make it worse bisk! I'm sensitive about my code elegancy (?)
gentle moss
your code is fine, i've just been working all day :3
lime gazelle
Aye I can understand not wanting to touch code after 8 hrs of work!
lime gazelle
Hey I need something to let the user know he dun goofed
Maybe I could print the board as well?
solid pollen
Actually if you brute force it I would suggest not printing anything
oak tangle
what bisk means by working is being at the wrong place
lime gazelle
Ok ok printing the board helped
turn out, it places just one queen and then goes "ok, I can't place anymore, I'm done!"
oak tangle
ah, the seven queens problem or how many were there?
gentle moss
yeah what ves said
solid pollen
And diagonal
lime gazelle
Yeah
But I mean, I placed the if wrong I feel
I should check how many queens there are when you can't place any more, instead I'm doing it after the first check to see if the queen can be placed
solid pollen
Actually you can do it very fast by threading multiprocess it and optimising the algorithm so it's doesn't compute hundred time the same thing
solid pollen
I found my next non-useful thing to code π!
oak tangle
One thing I really enjoyed coding was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9c-_neaxeU
lime gazelle
oak tangle
Which is interesting, because it's a a non-CPU machine learning thing turned into code
lime gazelle
Heck it doesn't update
I've dun goofed.
It should have at least said "wrong combination" by now
solid pollen
Infinite loop?
gentle moss
ewwwwwwwwwwww
watching a short clip on china's AI shit
and there was a pan across some technology
D-Link 100Mbit DES switches
fucking these bastards
urg
oak tangle
that's one for the category "bass amp or switch?" when you're only giving it a quick glance
It's lacking the flightcase mount points, though
gentle moss
:D
sand goblet
I have a rackmount!
gentle moss
i have a trace elliot somewhere
no rack wings
because it weighs far too much
those DES 1024's came out in like
2001
seeing those switches still in use is π€’
chonky boi
i almost got the 1000watt version, rofl
lime gazelle
Quick survey: favourite music genre?
Seems that all the devs at my company love metal π€
rough sapphire
That's a trick question for me, as my musical taste is vast
gentle moss
^
vestal briar
I like 90% of music
vestal briar
My #1 is 60s-70s rock
rough sapphire
( In no particular order ) Industrial, EDM, Electronic, Classic Rock, those albums that tell a story ( The Who - Tommy, or Jeff Wayne's musical version of War Of The World [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJrbz0wiT28 ] for example ), and many more I'm probably missing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OczRtnqFB-A&list=OLAK5uy_m0CHaO3pMj4jgaBfw7NINW4-vS_23Ukww is also great too
( Listen to the whole album. Pretty good )
rough sapphire
@bisk its an awesome album
gentle moss
i've seen the modern live show of it
rough sapphire
i used to live near woking where some of it was set... the had a fighting machine in the town centre and a 'cylinder'
gentle moss
:D
rough sapphire
Neat
gentle moss
i had it on record as a kid
ebon quarry
lol
sand goblet
They only just got that feature?
gentle moss
betas, eh? always adding new features.
tulip palm
@rough sapphire i can approve of jeff wayne war of the worlds, it's great
bleak lintel
π π
sand goblet
haha
bleak lintel
erlang is to be seen on my desktop
bleak lintel
and now on the pydis minecraft serverβ’!!! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616633759151816730/624697573415845909/unknown.png
chilly lynx
Can HTML die in few years?
sand goblet
that's a more interesting question than you might expect
chilly lynx
Python is so strong
sand goblet
python doesn't make sense for markup
google is attempting to change some of HTML via AMP, though
wraith flower
Python can't be used for markup, lol
wraith flower
oh?
sand goblet
More or less
They don't allow executable script tags either
I guess probably due to security, probably due to UX
anyway, I think the web will always have some kind of markup format
wraith flower
Can't really move away from that
chilly lynx
C++ will be number 1 for game development. C# got a push because the applications π
sand goblet
yeah, it's just way too useful
bleak lintel
nor should we want to move away from it really
sand goblet
Rust will probably be #1 for game development to be honest
bleak lintel
markup is fantastic stuff
sand goblet
the way Rust is gaining at the moment combined with how well it performs
I mean it's on par with languages like C++, more or less
so there's no reason to learn C++ today unless you've gotta deal with legacy code
wraith flower
^
wraith flower
lol
sand goblet
that's not really a question that flies on this server
chilly lynx
i mean mods
sand goblet
that depends on the game
sand goblet
disallowed by Rockstar, as we know
chilly lynx
Mods are allowed
sand goblet
then it's easy to make a mod in anything that can compile to native code
like rust
or kotlin native
chilly lynx
I have a idea
Maybe i will start Python and i will make game development with Blueprints in Unreal Engine 4
sand goblet
you can compile python to native code as well by the way
it's just sort of unexplored waters right now
sand goblet
that's a data science library, so not my area
chilly lynx
Is there a Python version where Python is fast? Maybe a modified?
sand goblet
Python is mostly slow due to function call overhead
I'm not sure if pypy works around this
cython does
but again, you're compiling cython to native code
bleak lintel
pypy does have the jit enhancements and stuff
in general pypy is pretty good speed-wise
sand goblet
it is markedly faster, yeah
chilly lynx
c++ is game development number: 1
bleak lintel
i'd say c++ is worth learning not only for game dev but for general computer science knowledge
it has a lot of transferrable skills
chilly lynx
C++ is like C
rough sapphire
I've never once attempted to do anything with Python that didnt immediatelly resolve. I've had to use delays for waiting for AJAX to load things while scraping, but other than that...
I suppose I have waited while Python moves large amounts of files. But more or less... thats an aspect of reading and writing large amounts of files anyway, hardware depending.
But I dont have anything to compare it to when people say that its slow. I suppose there are people doing much bigger things than I am doing, but then... if python is slow, why is it so popular in data science, and just for scientists in general, who are likely the ones who are working with absurdly astronomical amounts of data...
gentle moss
data science is a slow game
rough sapphire
But youd think theyd be the ones most concerned with increasing their times
gentle moss
no
rough sapphire
Why use python if its slow?
rough sapphire
ok
gentle moss
if compute time or latency is important
python can fuck itself out a window
as an extreme example, high frequency trading
write your shit in python rather than C and you're already behind by a massive amount of ms
and that's seriously bad for trading
they're handling large volumes of data and it's time sensitive
research or data science generally isn't time sensitive to that degree
rough sapphire
but the data scientists have time to wait? mm. I mean, I know theres a reason, I just didnt understand what it is.
I have heard people say python is slow
But Ive never experienced that myself. I am an amateur who doesnt do any of these high end things though
So Im just curious
gentle moss
okay so, as a data scientist, i can write a program easily / quickly and leave it to run on our data centre
i can then fuck off and write a new program
while that one runs
and tbh, i've not found python slow either
rough sapphire
makes sense. I get that.
gentle moss
but i'm just not using it for time sensitive stuff
gentle moss
in any system where latency is critical
vestal briar
Numpy, tf
gentle moss
python can fuck off
rough sapphire
I believe you. I just cant imagine that is considered slow at anything because it does everything so fast compared to the speed I was doing things before I learned python.
vestal briar
It's automation
gentle moss
i get mad that UT99 can't match the mouse input speed of Quake 1
vestal briar
Just sometimes not fast automation ;)
gentle moss
and they're both written in C
vestal briar
Haha
gentle moss
UT99 was just written worse, so has bad latency
just "in the system"
if that ~10-20ms lag is noticible in an FPS game
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
id software cared about latency
Epic didn't
literally have a mate who works for a financial firm writing C
and his ONLY job is to optimise algos for latency
idk why i said literally there.
rough sapphire
spirit of the times
gentle moss
anyway, he gets some code for a new version of the algo thrown at him
and his job is to turn its run time from 5ms to 2.5ms or something
golden walrus
lmao
gentle moss
that bug was great
you could also go up to scripted AI that had paths
and tap them on the head
and they'd teleport
"oh i'm stick in a wall"
jumps to next node in path
solid pollen
It's me or the off-topic channel names are the same than yesterday?
gentle moss
depends when your yesterday is
lime gazelle
To this day I don't understand what devops do.
My company has a whole team dedicated to it, and I can't understand what is their job/purpose tbh.
Can someone shed some light (is that the right way to spell it?)?
gentle moss
a lot of it is automating deployment
lime gazelle
Which means?
Like do they write python scripts to launch and stop docker containers?
lime gazelle
π€ wdym not quite?
I swear we had a devops engineer, whatever that means, come and explain what they do and I couldn't understand it
vestal briar
They sort of bridge the gap for deploying a system
gentle moss
if you had to manually build some shit for every patch
then take stuff down / fuck with this by hand
there is time and risk in that
vestal briar
DevOps is like setting up CI, code coverage, docker, etc
And maintaining the whole git infastructure
gentle moss
but by automating the deployment process you can patch more frequently and (hopefully) more stable
lime gazelle
Oh so they're the guys who roll out updates?
lime gazelle
Yeah but we have a team
So like, what does that mean?
We don't have an "agile team"
lime gazelle
Yeah but what is that job?
vestal briar
Devops?
lime gazelle
Yes
vestal briar
Do you know what CI is
lime gazelle
It's neither meat nor potatoes
vestal briar
And kubernetes
lime gazelle
Not really
vestal briar
And docker
gentle moss
devops, funnily enough, is operations and development smooshed together
vestal briar
They sort of make it so when a developer pushes to a branch, it automates testing and deployment
vestal briar
They are the people who optimises the workflow
developer develops the main product, devops optimises development, sysadmin makes sure that product is avalible
That's the tl;dr
vestal briar
?
gentle moss
okay if you're gonna mmo it
vestal briar
Is this world of warcraft now
vestal briar
Of course you are bisk
lime gazelle
@vestal briar I'm not good enough at English to follow highly technical stuff, so I dumb it down
robust sierra
you have good english :)
lime gazelle
π€
vestal briar
It's hard to explain
vestal briar
Theres no other way to explain it apart from they allow the developer to just develop the product
lime gazelle
@gentle moss I've tried it
gentle moss
silo'd departments that are responsible for their "chunk" is the old model
so operations wouldn't really communicate with development
development would just go "hey, code's ready to push"
vestal briar
I know what agile is and probably done it before by accident
vestal briar
But I don't truely know
gentle moss
so they shove it back to the developers who are like
"nah it's got to be your system, it's not our code"
lime gazelle
Oog
gentle moss
repeat ad infinitum
gentle moss
by integrating development and operations you improve your ability to smoothly deploy
lime gazelle
So they manage
vestal briar
When a developer finishes a bit of code and wants to deploy it for lets say a website
Devops allows that process to be automated
gentle moss
DevOps is the practice of operations and development engineers participating together in the entire service lifecycle, from design through the development process to production support.
vestal briar
So you can just add some code and it appers on the website automatically, only if it works
lime gazelle
Oh ok
vestal briar
So that's what devops is
lime gazelle
They don't do the cool shizz, they use software that does the cool shizz
vestal briar
They manage overall product is developed
So they manage where the automatic deployements go
What should be worked on
lime gazelle
So they do squat
lime gazelle
They breathe and take money
lime gazelle
Yeah bug they can be a dev or someone else who actively contributes to the project
vestal briar
A lot do
vestal briar
Senior devs do partly project management and partly development
With maybe 1 overseer of them to organise
lime gazelle
Do DBAs optimize queries?
vestal briar
DBA?
lime gazelle
Database administrators
vestal briar
Yeah
Make it so the databases have a lighter load
And are sort of the sysadmins of databases specifically
And they manage how the database should look, like the coluims and tables
solid pollen
depends when your yesterday is
Hemm yeah :)
lime gazelle
Jokes aside, sysadmin have many diff things to do on a day to day basis, that's what I've gathered from other sysadmins
lime gazelle
Is it really true that not two days are the same?
solid pollen
Oh he's alive
lime gazelle
Good suggestion
gentle moss
most of my work time is taken up by writing internal dashboards / tools atm
the sys admin stuff is mostly automated or just needs casting an eyeball at every now and then
lime gazelle
vestal briar
Nice easy job though
gentle moss
but when something does break
vestal briar
Until yeah..
gentle moss
all hell breaks loose
vestal briar
It could be good to start making a side venture
lime gazelle
Yeah but it's away job with lotsa downtime?
vestal briar
In the downtime
gentle moss
i wouldn't say lots of downtime
lime gazelle
I'm scatterbrained π
gentle moss
atm i've got a few things to look at for one
lime gazelle
So for me an hour is a lot
gentle moss
one is making dashboards so our customers can see their open tickets / etc rather than relying on the emails
vestal briar
I will be in it support for work expirance
gentle moss
few other little things to make life easier, that sort of shit
also looking at setting up a voip provisioning server
vestal briar
I bet there will be a karen and/or jane
gentle moss
scheduling some shit
lime gazelle
What IT job do you think is the most "active"?
gentle moss
first line support
gentle moss
i think that varies
vestal briar
What would "IT support" for the city council mean
gentle moss
but we're an IT company for companies
vestal briar
Wrapping cables?
lime gazelle
So we are
gentle moss
rather than an internal department
vestal briar
Are you doing boring stuff all the time
lime gazelle
Open ticket x, dispatch it to team y, done
vestal briar
Or just a lot of downtime
lime gazelle
Pass resets, user unlock, dispatching
vestal briar
So you can have a challange at work and (hopefully) make money
lime gazelle
Actually my PMO told me he'll ask around to see if there are more interesting positions
W Unix/ sec stuff
vestal briar
That's promising
lime gazelle
I guess?
lime gazelle
Nah actually I have 3 months to uh, get noticed I guess
My contract doesn't bind me to a team, but the company
vestal briar
Ah
lime gazelle
Bind? Bound?
vestal briar
I thought it may have bound you to a team because of the short length
vestal briar
So you can't make a side-gig?
lime gazelle
Cause I don't have a license so I can only do standard hours with public transit
I can study at home, but work? I don't think so
vestal briar
:/
lime gazelle
So I'm left with a redhat manual gifted by a teacher, a centos iso, a kali linux iso and the internet as a teach 
And I should learn something abt sec/network in 3 months.
vestal briar
Sure
lime gazelle
I doubt they'd pick up someone that knows nothing
How do you even learn security w/o going to the uni?
lime gazelle
Yeah I know that
You can find any attack/rootkit online if you know what to search
Knowing what to search is the problem
robust sierra
you could ask people on this server where to start
lime gazelle
Oh yeah there is a sec section
robust sierra
u arent alone
ios
robust sierra
oh shit i just realised lmao
robust sierra
yes i am quite the fool
white folio
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thats mine
to learn objc
robust sierra
lOl xD lmaoOo
white folio
lel
robust sierra
@bleak lintel are you going to flex your apple?
vestal briar
white folio
vestal briar
Oh dear
I'm going to switch to arch when I fuck over my ubuntu beyond repair eventually
bleak lintel
using ubuntu normally means you've fucked up
vestal briar
Nah
robust sierra
the cool kids use kAli
vestal briar
I just use ubuntu like it's fine to break it
But I always manage to fix it
Oh dear god no
Some java kid last year used it because "he likes the look"
As his main distro
And just added shrek memes to it all
bleak lintel
ubuntu is bad
vestal briar
Ew
bleak lintel
rain spindle
xD
bleak lintel
sorry i win
rain spindle
Yeah but mine is actually windows
vestal briar
I need a dos port
bleak lintel
so is mine
vestal briar
And a zx port
bleak lintel
i see no evidence that mine is not windows
vestal briar
Cough
vestal briar
What are the tools for saving you entire arch config
I'd like to make a nice-looking thing, save it and re-install if I fuck things up
bleak lintel
we call that backing up
vestal briar
Like how you make a plain vm and clone it for doing dangerous stuff
I thought there may have been a fancy way
bleak lintel
make an fs image if you are really worried
vestal briar
Not just a 100% backup
vestal briar
I suppose I could configure stuff in a vm
bleak lintel
config files are not standardised
vestal briar
Then convert the vm image to a book disk
Yeah
Wish there was a tool to try to copy common configs, find what de is installed and store configs for that
rain spindle
Joseph how did the GCSE's go?
bleak lintel
rock solid
robust sierra
sock rolid
rain spindle
Good job man
bleak lintel
i failed music but then it got remarked and i passed
robust sierra
whEy
rain spindle
You too import?
bleak lintel
so i do now have all gcses lol
rain spindle
Good job guys
vestal briar
Time to learn how to use arch and save as a boot disk I guess
robust sierra
isnt music a btec?
bleak lintel
no
robust sierra
what u get for maths
bleak lintel
you can do music a level
vestal briar
Don't remind me about gcses
rain spindle
I aced my exams too
bleak lintel
8 in maths
rain spindle
We all did good
rain spindle
Not surprised
vestal briar
I got a 3+ for a mock test in year 9 for maths..
bleak lintel
i didn't do any bio revision
rain spindle
Yeah joseph I scored really high in my chemistry out of nowhere
bleak lintel
i did quite well in history
vestal briar
I got weirdly high in sciences
robust sierra
@vestal briar dont worry, i started out failing and in year 10 mocks i got grade 5
bleak lintel
so well i've decided to do history over physics and further maths now
so that's nice
rain spindle
Joseph..... what?
robust sierra
what?
rain spindle
So what are your A levels?
bleak lintel
maths, computer science and history
vestal briar
If I get grade 5's across the board and a 6-7 here and there, i'll be happy
bleak lintel
i spoke to a load of universities and they said they didn't mind
robust sierra
i want a grade 7+ for maths
vestal briar
I just want maths and cs to be good
rain spindle
What uni's you lads looking at?
vestal briar
Engineering and decent english would help a lot aswell
rain spindle
Well, you have another year ik
vestal briar
I don't want to go to uni
bleak lintel
durham, manchester, warwick, bath, nottingham is my sort of list right now
rain spindle
I go next year
bleak lintel
but yeah, i've got quite a while
robust sierra
im failing spanish lmao
vestal briar
Come to john moores joseph
bleak lintel
yeah they are all decent unis, nottingham does computerphile which is pretty epic
i like that
vestal briar
Ooh
vestal briar
Let's just take a minute to think about how good Computerphile is
rain spindle
That's the real question
bleak lintel
no it's a windows pc
white folio
its the gay
tulip palm
yeah that comment has an iq of less than six or seven
solid pollen
Six or seven? You're pretty generous
solid pollen
iq/10
robust sierra
i have 11 iq
lime gazelle
Integer OverFlow error @robust sierra
robust sierra
Personally, I like to go above and beyond
vestal briar
ImportErr IQ: -3330449
solid pollen
You can overflow an underflow for sure
robust sierra
Owez IQ: -3330450
lime gazelle
Say I have unsigned int a
I give it the max negative so it becomes the max positive
Then I add
Would I get overflow, then underflow
Np wait
vestal briar
@robust sierra integer underflow error
robust sierra
i'd say there is no error and its within range
vestal briar
Well I was talking about an int with a max of -3330449 - 10
vestal briar
Pfft, soooo obvious
robust sierra
sorry i reset the range to be out of 10
vestal briar
So
robust sierra
so now my iq is undefined
vestal briar
I have 10 iq
robust sierra
no
vestal briar
π€
robust sierra
i set it to 0
vestal briar
@robust sierra It was a pointer. Your iq is now in the negatives of a 128-bit int
Welcome to unsafe programming
robust sierra
I CANT HEAR YOU
vestal briar
Hah, I made import deaf
vestal briar
Forbidden k word
Tut doesn't work I was outsmarted
Or did my outsmart overflow π€
solid pollen
Just one thing to say of this conversation :
lime gazelle
probably phishing
tulip palm
maybe the thing working is their plan to destroy the world
in that case, not so much yay
:D
gentle moss
idk
you looked at uhhh
anything lately?
obliteration is not a bad option at this point
tulip palm
oh no, destroying humanity is perfectly fine by me
but the earth did nothing to deserve it so we should leave it be
vestal briar
Worldwide suicide pact
rough sapphire
@vestal briar Let's not
bleak lintel
@hollow pollen so what is it? an editor thing?
hollow pollen
not at all . I mean https://gist.github.com/SkyBulk/16c2c5bfc07b55aa66b5b1da2e5f38f0 this is my project I am working on , but I think it needs some arch before goes bigger , and I had a big problem before
settings and utils . I could move together
bleak lintel
oh right i see this is a layout of a project
the weird syntax threw me off
hm, still not really a great layout for the help channels
hm this has given me an idea
so we have tree for unix
but a tree that didn't only list files but listened classes and functions
now that would be nice
hollow pollen
I see
frosty berry
hm, like IDEs do?Β maybe ctags can produce that
tired osprey
Ctags does pretty much nothing else than producing that
sinful copper
lime gazelle
How do you get started in sec/netsec without going to uni?
tame pier
If you want to get a job, you need to demonstrate some sort of experience
The best way to do that is freelance work
Bug bounties
Blogging about research
Etc.
buoyant pendant
@sinful copper hahahahhahah
rough sapphire
@lime gazelle even though I have a degree, I started getting job offers (including one from the place I work at now) just thanks to blogging, the companies who emailed me didn't even know I was in the process of getting a degree
thinking back on it, getting a degree was a waste of time and money, but... you live and you learn
rough sapphire
so I have a couple of CVEs (six with a high CVSS score), a few pretty goo-
tame pier
xx can probably help more in this space
rough sapphire
oh
tame pier
What area do you specialize in xx
rough sapphire
uh well, I didn't really get my knowledge from any particular source. I just fucked around with shit, a lot. Not the most helpful, but...
@tame pier penetration testing and red teaming
and a lil bit of research, but mostly on the side
tame pier
Sorry, let me be more specific, do you specialize in any specific classes of vulnerabilities or hardware areas or are you more of a polygot?
rough sapphire
ah, yeah, embedded devices and OS-specific shit (privesc, etc) is my jam
tame pier
Sick
rough sapphire
web and networking I can do as well, but don't enjoy as much
I mean, I do enjoy those as well, but if I had a choice, I'd much rather be doing devices
tame pier
Devices are more interesting to be sure
You're poking around in the brain(s) of the team that developed the device
rough sapphire
exactly
tame pier
Which is interesting tbh
lime gazelle
How do you even learn about it? Like it's not like there's a guide/tut/book or anything (to my knowledge)
tame pier
I'm lazy AF, otherwise I'd be poking around more at the shit in my home (like this fucking "smart thermostat")
rough sapphire
@lime gazelle get into hackthebox and other such challenges
tame pier
Start with this: http://overthewire.org/wargames/bandit/
grim pelican
love OTW
tame pier
Watch YouTube tutorials
lime gazelle
Getting in hackthebox was easy
rough sapphire
@lime gazelle it's probably easier to take a few retired boxes and walk through them via a walkthrough
old boxes always have walkthroughs
grim pelican
bandit taught me the strings command
grim pelican
still not sure of the practical use of it though
rough sapphire
after that, take on an easy active box and try to solve it on your own
tame pier
Flags
rough sapphire
filepaths, runtime flags, hardcoded creds, urls, etc
lots of interesting things pop up with just strings
grim pelican
up until then, i had no idea there was so much normal text in binaries
tame pier
Developer contact information so you can perform OSINT on them and learn where they ate dinner last night and stalk them until you meet them at a french cafe, buy them a coffee, and get the deets on how the software was made
lime gazelle
@rough sapphire aye π will do! OTW is good?
grim pelican
lol
rough sapphire
OTW is good
lime gazelle
OSINT?
tame pier
Open-source Intelligence
Often performed when doing initial reconnaissance on a target
rough sapphire
basically using public channels to gather information on something or someone
tame pier
^
lime gazelle
π
rough sapphire
it's scary how much shit is actually public
lime gazelle
Start with otw or hack? 
grim pelican
do both at the same time
if you're talking about hack the box, that shit is hard as hell
summer rampart
HackTheWire
tame pier
I need to do more HTB
lime gazelle
Hack the box ye
summer rampart
OverTheBox
lime gazelle
Otw is more gradual I feel
tame pier
I haven't got the login code yet because I'm lazy AF and bad at web shit π
tame pier
Much better at Networking shit
Want to practice some fuzzing too
Oh
I'm not that smart so
lime gazelle
@tame pier nagisa?
tame pier
Probably will take a bit lol
grim pelican
i literally can't give any hints, beacuse it would immediately give it away
tame pier
Yes
rough sapphire
@tame pier I've done quite a bit of embedded fuzzing so if you ever need any help with anything hmu
lime gazelle
Should I use the company's laptop to do HTB?π
grim pelican
@lime gazelle no