¯_(ツ)_/¯
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
tired osprey
rough sapphire
I'm literally at the fucking edge right now
tired osprey
wot
rough sapphire
could just rip that eyelid off
tired osprey
yeah i dont think you should do that
rough sapphire
it's so fucking annoying god DAMN it
tired osprey
just close your eye 😉
vestal briar
So you stress more 🤔
rough sapphire
@tired osprey it does it with my eyes closed as well
to a lesser extent, but still
tired osprey
okay thats ....interesting
rough sapphire
I have to really focus and pretty much meditate for it to stop twitching
rough sapphire
I honestly will if this continues for a couple of more days
actually, I have a routine checkup on the 13th anyways
I'm not really sure what they can do about it though
tired osprey
well maybe they at least know why its happening
rough sapphire
the silver lining is that it at least doesn't seem to be visible unless you're specifically looking for it
it's visible, but very subtly
but it makes me self conscious as well, like what if my conversation partner sees it and thinks I'm nuts or something
tired osprey
I mean we already know you are
rough sapphire
😒
vestal briar
¬_¬
rough sapphire
wow that emoji is totally different on my phone than on discord
tired osprey
vestal briar
Tazer your eyelid
vestal briar
I just got a ping
rough sapphire
vestal briar
Not sure where from
tired osprey
that looks interesting
vestal briar
Discord and Slack are the next-gen of IRC
tired osprey
nah using IRC via irssi is cool
tired osprey
pft who needs uploads or anything
gentle moss
IRC has uploads...
tired osprey
yeah but not with these fancy previews everyone on discord likes
vestal briar
Yeah
gentle moss
cuz it's open bitch
tired osprey
i mean discord is open ish as well
vestal briar
Not really
vestal briar
Hah
tired osprey
you can do your own client if you want to
vestal briar
Yeah
gentle moss
and get banned
tired osprey
I would still be interested in how theyd figure out youre using a third party client
tired osprey
I mean if htey know their client uses the API in a certain way and see it not being used in a certain way they can still figure it out lol
gentle moss
are you assuming all the API is documented though?
tired osprey
^
vestal briar
API wrappers are all open source
Anyway there aren't any undocumented parts of the api that we know of
tired osprey
yeah thats why its called undocumented
tired osprey
Im quite sure if somebody found an endpoint which isnt listed in the official docs theyd make some research on it and publish a blog post explaining exactly what it does dont you think
vestal briar
Yeah
gentle moss
dun hav to tell every one nuffink m8
vestal briar
Official discord client most likely sends some telemetry to track us facebook-style
But then again, there would be a button to turn that off
And there is one
So it can't legally detect anything using any extra telemetry as sending it is optional, even on the official client
rough sapphire
Even if you were worried about that, sniff the network.
vestal briar
People have done it and the api is all documented to my knowlage
rough sapphire
https://twitter.com/losethos/status/1170286154106703872 he's back baby
Twitter
gentle moss
what on earth
rough sapphire
next fight is khabib vs poirier lets gooo
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire That's a distasteful joke
golden walrus
anyone using Tern for company-mode in Emacs?
vapid bluff
do we know for sure that account ever belonged to terry to begin with?
vestal briar
Well he had other accounts 🤔
shell blade
whoa those post's though JC
vestal briar
So all terries where hackers
And one just got his face public
And done livestreams
rough sapphire
just found out my mum's bottom right eyelid started twitching around the same time that mine did, and still is, just like mine
I really want to chalk it up to coincidence, but what the fuck?
rough sapphire
I'm not stressed though
rough sapphire
she is, but I'm not at all
I've never had my eyelid constantly twitch like this and she hasn't either
rough sapphire
I sleep pretty ok
leaden apex
¯_(ツ)_/¯
glass gorge
What app is that @rough sapphire
rough sapphire
mi fit, it works via my amazfit bip watch
rough sapphire
there's other apps for that as well
sleep as android was pretty good when I used it, what, 5 years ago?
requires you to leave your phone on your bed, though
night crown
so you just sleep with your watch on?
glass gorge
*on^my bed
or just next to it
I'd rather not leave it on / in my bed thanks
for many reasons
night crown
I think with sleep with android, you put it on your bed because it also keeps track of how much you move around and stuff
glass gorge
Im also an old analog watch fan, not so much smartwatch guy 🤷
hollow leaf
Eh. I have what I call a dumb watch, or just a calculator watch.
No IoT syncy Real Time OS stuff :p
Those watches just use microcontrollers with what probably is a mask ROM
glass gorge
Still prefer these kinds 😍
gentle moss
casio f-91w or bust
rough sapphire
the f-91w is ok, it's a real classic
i prefer my modded casio royale more, though
gentle moss
cheap and tough
i do want to get around to doing some mods
new LED maybe
inverted polarised filter
summer rampart
lasers
rough sapphire
how do they work
robust sierra
no
vestal briar
PEW PEW
robust sierra
they work more like this: peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
and it carries on
tulip palm
lasers are super funky
i didn't realise that their functionality is dependent on the bose-einstein statistics as part of quantum statistics/mechanics until a few months ago. :D
vapid bluff
apparently if you zap a magnet with a laser it behaves like a liquid 🤔
robust sierra
apparently if you shine a 5mw laser onto your eyes you can go BLIND 
vapid bluff
apparently if you go blind you cant see anything 
vestal briar
!ban @everyone
vapid bluff
god damn it
i just followed the tutorial here https://thepi.io/how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-as-a-wireless-access-point/
and now i cant ssh into the pi any more
gg wp
and it didnt even work
dont see any AP showing up
gentle moss
that's from 2017
if you're on the latest debian based OS i think it might be wrong..
like latest raspbian or ubuntu or something idk
robust turtle
Guys, what chat should I ask in for help for opencv?
autumn night
@robust turtle if its just python related then a help channel is fine, if its more about math or image processing maybe #data-science-and-ml
robust turtle
thanks, I'll try asking in the help channel first then.
buoyant river
I didn't know where to ask so I'll ask here.
I forked an active library and changed like 2 lines from a file that's 2 years old and will never change. is there a way to make my fork in sync with the original one except for that one file ? (github)
sand goblet
I have a Huawei watch but I never wear it
rough sapphire
@vapid bluff if networking is kill, you can take the sd card out and use qemu + systemd-nspawn to chroot into it and revert the modifications locally
or use the uart serial comms, if you have that set up
rough sapphire
oh yeah monitors are a thing
vapid bluff
used this instead
but i cant figure out how to make it share wifi with whatever's connect to the ap
not sure if thats even possible here
doing some reading up now
gentle moss
rofl @rough sapphire
"oh yeah well you could just UART to get access to a TTY through serial or take the SD card out and manually change the settings in the file system perhaps eve-"
"i plugged in a monitor."
vestal briar
Okay?
vapid bluff
does it?
shell blade
yeah some of them probably need privileges to be installed so if you don't sudo they wont install
vapid bluff
they installed fine regardless of whether i had sudo or not
i started off with just pip3 install [package]
then when i did sudo python3 [script] it couldnt find the package
but it did if i ran python3 [script]
then i ran sudo pip3 install [package] and it worked
confused af
it's not cool to just say random stuff in the middle of other people's convos
(that last message was directed at @rough sapphire who then deleted their shitpost)
shell blade
hmmm, it has to do with privileges some how, i have had similar issues like that in that past
vapid bluff
i thought maybe sudo is switching the user to root? but that's not how it works right?
gentle moss
that's kind of it
stark prawn
sudo executes a command as root.
gentle moss
for this purposes it is
vapid bluff
ahh
gentle moss
if you apt install python3.X with sudo
vapid bluff
TIL
gentle moss
it's system wide
same for pip packages
can you not?
in fact, that's just annoyed me enough i'm gonna go back to washing up
peace
o/
shell blade
right, so i wasn't wrong?
vapid bluff
i believe so
think ive misunderstood something fundamental here then
is root the only super user?
when you use sudo the command runs as root rather than whoever's currently logged in?
all this time ive been thinking about it in terms of admin privileges like on windows
shell blade
well root is = to 0 which is like all priveleges
tame pier
IIRC both OS'es employ a form of discretionary access control, but how they do that is way different
Windows's is more granular
Relies on Tokens with a set of permissions
Which are checked against the access control list of an object
Which I believe is how they implement features like integrity levels
SELinux brings some of that and more to Linux
Along with Mandatory Access Control I believe
shell blade
i also think you can control sudo privileges too like depending how you have it setup in your sudoers file so not all sudoers are the same
we mostly use sudo so we don't have to use root to do certain things since that can be kinda of dangerous we don't want to be root unless we have to be
sand goblet
They're both granular
vapid bluff
the name sudo makes so much more sense now
sand goblet
Linux does most things via file permissions but we have systemd access stuff too
rough sapphire
It's literally super user do 😄
shell blade
uhh yes system fucking d
rough sapphire
As I've brought up before in #cybersecurity , I tend to recommend the use of su as opposed to sudo for those that don't know / aren't interested in the difference
Whereas sudo is certainly more powerful, su is more straightforward.
shell blade
isnt su for logging root access?
sand goblet
I don't think there is a need for sudo with a password on a personal machine
Unless you don't know what you're doing
It's infinitely simpler if you don't have one
rough sapphire
@sand goblet You don't think sudo access needs a password?
I'm confused as to what you're saying
sand goblet
In prod or in like an office or something, sure
Your home PC? Probably not going to be a problem
shell blade
yeah i agree makes it so much easier for me to pivot a system without that hahahaha
i dunno i think encouraging people to be more secure even at home is a better way of thinking just my opinion
rough sapphire
100%
sand goblet
If you're learning, yeah, you should have a password for sudo, but I did say that too haha
rough sapphire
Well, to play devil's advocate, you did say a home pc wasn't a problem 😄
rough sapphire
Idk about that. I don't have sudo setup at all, and if I need root I login as root.
sand goblet
What
rough sapphire
But I also have 2fa enabled on my user and my root account, so...
shell blade
wtf you can 2fa setup on root
sand goblet
You can setup 2fa on any account
rough sapphire
@shell blade Yeah, google-authenticator-pam
sand goblet
It's a PAM module
rough sapphire
It's open source too
sand goblet
Sudo configurations are super useful in prod btw
Like if you have CI deploying something and you need root to restart the service
rough sapphire
@sand goblet Why would it be such an issue to login as root to do root-related things?
shell blade
my mind just freaking exploded right now
sand goblet
You can set up passwordless sudo just for that specific command
Because you can login as root, it's a known attack vector
rough sapphire
You'd setup passwordless sudo for apt install ?
rough sapphire
You can set up passwordless sudo just for that specific command
Then why suggest it?
gentle moss
you can 2fa allllllll the things @shell blade
shell blade
how did i not know this
sand goblet
I don't think anyone mentioned packages
gentle moss
we're in the process of moving our 2fa on everything over to titan key from google auth
rough sapphire
Look for me in the help channels.. I am trying to build a tree in my program.... I don't think I will be able to do it alone
:p
gong to make my first attempt and see how it goes
@gentle moss Physical 2fa?
gentle moss
combination
shell blade
oh with the keys
gentle moss
technically you could as many FA as you wanted
rough sapphire
I had a Yubikey, didn't see it as useful.
sand goblet
Super useful for offices and stuff
shell blade
nice!
rough sapphire
@sand goblet Until it's stolen or broken, then gg
gentle moss
pffft
gentle moss
^
shell blade
ok so with 2fa on root what happens if you dont have a network connection?
gentle moss
it doesn't need one
rough sapphire
@shell blade It's TOTP
sand goblet
Nothing? You don't need Internet for 2fa
gentle moss
2FA via email or SMS is an awful idea anyway
sand goblet
Agreed
shell blade
i use app for 2fa
rough sapphire
@sand goblet Sure, you can replace it if you're an office or something, but personal use... Yeah, that's not gonna work.
gentle moss
so you can generate a code in terminal
shell blade
i did i use google now
gentle moss
scan it to google authenticator
sand goblet
That one is also crap
gentle moss
and set up that shit
sand goblet
But it's better than authy
rough sapphire
How is Google Authenticator crap?
sand goblet
@rough sapphire well again, we are talking about offices
gentle moss
no code recovery
sand goblet
It's crap because you can't back it up yeah
sand goblet
Oh yeah? Show me
gentle moss
hmm?
rough sapphire
Lemme find the command
shell blade
what do you guys use?
gentle moss
i just store the auth string from the QR code in a vault
a physical vault
on physical paper
sand goblet
I actually use bitwarden
gentle moss
again, office work so
gentle moss
but do you get to open a combination lock when someone done fucked up?
sand goblet
You say that like my hands are strong enough to lift your solid steel deadbolt
rough sapphire
/data/data/com.google.android.apps.authenticator2/databases/ is where they're at
gentle moss
i mean i don't get to do it either gdude so don't feel bad :(
sand goblet
Great, but I'll just sync them to an encrypted Google drive backup I think
gentle moss
it's a key'd safe
rough sapphire
You'll need root and/or adb - but they're there 😄
sand goblet
Not gonna happen
shell blade
ok so im def setting this up so stoked
gentle moss
haha
sand goblet
If you're going to move 2fa app
gentle moss
there are some pitfalls if you don't get your shit correct and disconnect or w/e
sand goblet
Remember to disable 2fa and then re-enable for the new one
rough sapphire
@shell blade Make sure you setup it properly or you'll lock yourself out 😄
gentle moss
if you're doing it on a remote server
yes
exactly what scott said
i'd create a temporary recovery account and give it privs
incase you fuck it up :D
shell blade
ok sounds good
rough sapphire
It's more copy/pasting command properly - there's way too many how-tos for the PAM to screw it up
gentle moss
luckily i still had an SSH session open
rough sapphire
I say that, but someone will screw it up. 
gentle moss
juan was only changing his sshd config too
vapid bluff
i use andotp, open source + lets you backup and restore keys
gentle moss
not even installing a pam module
rough sapphire
@vapid bluff AndOTP is legit
rough sapphire
Eh, idk about that
shell blade
im not buying a vault
rough sapphire
@gentle moss That's more something you do with your wireless info
gentle moss
literal safe
rough sapphire
Then you just put it up somewhere and scan the QR code
stark prawn
Should apply the 3 2 1 principle to that aswell.
rough sapphire
Then when anyone comes over and they ask "What's the wireless info?" Scan the QR code, find out
sand goblet
Google WiFi has like an entire screen for sharing the WiFi password
And it doesn't have a qr code
Good job Google
rough sapphire
shell blade
totally wouldn't have anything else stored in the QR code lol hehehe
rough sapphire
Good stuff
stark prawn
For guests I create a seperate network.
sand goblet
Me too
shell blade
same
sand goblet
But it still has a password
rough sapphire
You'll still want them to scan a QR code.
Otherwise it's "Yeah, lemme give you the password... it's around here somewhere"
shell blade
i only give 2.4 too
sand goblet
I have an NFC ring
rough sapphire
which evolves to "Screw it, let me login to the router and find out what it is."
sand goblet
I used to show off by like, picking their phone up and oh hey it's connected
rough sapphire
I don't even use NFC
stark prawn
If you use something like pythondiscordisutopia You'll always remember it.
sand goblet
I use the fuck out of nfc
stark prawn
Safe enough for a guest network imo
rough sapphire
I've used it.. once? for a purchase on one of my cards.
It was more "Hey check this out"
sand goblet
I use it for payments basically every time I go shopping
Contactless is standard here
shell blade
i have nfc turned off
rough sapphire
@shell blade You and me both
stark prawn
Ah, didn't think you'd count regular bank cards.
shell blade
i just got robbed like a week ago still paranoid about everything
stark prawn
My public transport card also has it.
sand goblet
I mean I do that with cards too but my phone is in easier reach
Or my watch, when I'm wearing it
Which is not often admittedly
shell blade
my bank did return all the money though so that was nice
rough sapphire
Curious if anyone's done research on smart watches and how often they don't get security updates how they're useless.
sand goblet
I would leave it off if I was in America or Canada too I think
That continent is not known for secure point of sale tech
I have a smart watch
They're very nice if you're active
Very very nice
But I am not
rough sapphire
You mean the fact that Target, Home Depot, Goodwill, and many more had POS systems compromised doesn't instill confidence?
😄
sand goblet
Well that and they just got chip+pin like 5 years ago
rain spindle
Hybrid smart watches ftw
sand goblet
If it's easier to pull your phone out than tap your watch then the watch is kinda pointless
sand goblet
But if you're running or your hands are dirty or you just don't want to have a phone to interact with
rough sapphire
@sand goblet I think you skimmed past how I said smart watches don't get security updates much at all.
sand goblet
They're great
rain spindle
Sharpops is secure ™
sand goblet
I mean WearOS does get updates
The fitbits do too
But WearOS frequency depends on the manufacturer
rough sapphire
How often, and how long are they supported?
sand goblet
Unless it's a recent WatchOS, then it gets security fixes via Google play like a phone does
rough sapphire
The OS gets updates via Google Play and not OTA?
rain spindle
Bisk did you hear about people dying in the states from vaping>
sand goblet
We've had that since android 9, and they doubled down on it in 10
Security fixes by Google Play
rain spindle
(Or at least they think thats it)
rough sapphire
@gentle moss gg nice knowing you
sand goblet
You need to support it to get certification these days
If you're a manufacturer I mean
shell blade
those are from a certain type of vape mostly weed ones and black market stuff
rain spindle
Ah ok
rough sapphire
@sand goblet That seems wrong. OTA is the better way of doing that
stark prawn
Vaping being marketed to children is wrong.
rough sapphire
OOS and LineageOS does OTA at least
stark prawn
Stupped juul.
rain spindle
Gdude I need help with docker "setups"
sand goblet
It is over the air
rough sapphire
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gentle moss
that's also because the USA has far more lax regulatory standards than the EU too
rain spindle
You got a minute?
gentle moss
sooo
sand goblet
But it's done by Google play services
And they decided to do it because manufacturers take months to release patches
rain spindle
DBrand now do juul skins
shell blade
i havent seen much on hacking smart watches yet
rough sapphire
Sounds like a good idea to get into
shell blade
hmmm?
rough sapphire
or fitness bands. I had an idea a few years ago of an open hardware fitness band
sand goblet
It's uninteresting because they're very underpowered
rough sapphire
But that market is so complicated to get into as a beginner.
sand goblet
Anything in the background is immediately noticeable with the performance hit
rough sapphire
@sand goblet I think it'd be fun to play with tbh
shell blade
what do you mean scott? why would it be difficult?
sand goblet
I mean people have got doom running on them
stark prawn
Fitness bands are so cool. But many of these newer once you need to upload your data to the internet before you can get to it.
stark prawn
Instead of reading it out yourself.
rough sapphire
@shell blade The hardware/software isn't open at all.
So to make something from the ground-up is expensive and time consuming.
Just look at the neo900 or librem 5
sand goblet
WearOS is just uninteresting
it's just android
you can sideload APKs or use ADB
there's basically nothing different about those mechanics
gentle moss
hahahaha @shell blade , they didn't update their instructions.
it said "remove cap"
and there was no cap on the cartridge
so apparently i ripped a component that had a silicone seal out
nice job, dickheads
rough sapphire
I'm with @stark prawn in regards to fitness bands though
shell blade
man don't use pods systems i hate them they are ruining the market imo
sand goblet
yeah, fitness bands do often require that and it's annoying at best
rough sapphire
Well for one,
sand goblet
that said, a fitness band is no better at tracking than a good wearos watch
rough sapphire
You need an account and all your information goes to their servers.
gentle moss
i don't care, i only got this one because they are out of cartridges for the ones i can smoke like a cigarette.
i hate button pushing
stark prawn
I was working with a fitbit for school. It doesn't allow you to read the data from it. You have to go through their site to get the actual data.
gentle moss
grr
rough sapphire
All I want is a fitness band that stores all the information on my device and I have control of anything it does.
Which doesn't sound like a crazy idea, but ha ha ha ha ha good luck with that
shell blade
can we ghidra to reverse engineer it?
rain spindle
People made some progress with my smartwatch
By reading and writing bluetooth data to the hybrid watch
You could add a bunch of extra features
rough sapphire
@shell blade Considering these things have updates that are probably/maybe signed? Good luck.
shell blade
then we can find some vulns make a exploit and now we have a dc28 talk woot win
jk of course dont take seriously
rough sapphire
I mean, it's basic Android like @sand goblet said
I'd be surprised if there wasn't some big glaring issue
stark prawn
Fitbits run android?
rough sapphire
WearOS, I mean
rain spindle
No, WearOS
rain spindle
Gdude why is it not acceptable to have 2 programs in one docker container?
stark prawn
That seems way overkill for a fitness tracker.
sand goblet
you don't even need your phone in the area
as long as they're both online somehow you'll get your notifs and you can action them
rough sapphire
@stark prawn is right. I just want something to count steps/distance/running/time and I'm golden.
sand goblet
if you have one of those swanky 3G watches and you want to disconnect but not miss your messages then you just take your watch out and leave your phone at home
shell blade
just use your phone?
sand goblet
yeah, you can use a phone for that
rough sapphire
palm phone?
sand goblet
you know, the company that made the palm pilot PDAs?
palm
it's the small phone that's supposed to make you use your big phone less
rough sapphire
I know of them, but have no clue what you're talking about, no.
sand goblet
rough sapphire
Uh...
sand goblet
you just reminded me of it and it's hilarious
rough sapphire
``Bad Stuff
Terrible battery life
Only supports SMS sync
It really won’t solve your digital overconsumption
``
rain spindle
rough sapphire
It's also $350...
rain spindle
This is better
sand goblet
and when it was released you could only get it on verizon, or was it at+t
shell blade
that looks like something from the 90's
rough sapphire
@rain spindle The hell is that e-ink looking thing?
sand goblet
and you had to also have a second phone
rain spindle
Its a phone!
sand goblet
that website is terrible
rough sapphire
I'll stick with my 1+, thanks.
rain spindle
For people that don't want a phone
rough sapphire
That Palm thing reminds me of this: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images1000x1000/SanDisk_SDMX22_008G_A57K_Sansa_Clip_Zip_MP3_832315.jpg
shell blade
im angry just looking at that thing lol
stark prawn
You can still just get a brick phone.
sand goblet
the light phone also costs $350
hahaha yeah
also there's a running joke on the verge about it
rough sapphire
( Which, I actually had a Clip Zip and even flashed Rockbox to it. Was pretty great back then. )
stark prawn
I read that as Roblox.
rough sapphire
DON'T DEAD
OPEN INSIDE
rough sapphire
Top to bottom, left to right
stark prawn
I normally read left to right, top to bottom.
sand goblet
the logo doesn't encourage you to do that
you could easily read it either way
offtopic but I just killed a flying bug and the blood it left behind was green.
weird.
stark prawn
Must be royal.
shell blade
you are now radioactive
stark prawn
His superpower: Having green blood.
stark prawn
My favourite super power is being able to literally surf the web.
vestal briar
cobwebs + surf board
rain spindle
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Accidently send that email?
Just go chase it and pick it back up.
sand goblet
I think it was some kind of beetle
oh well
anyway
Requiring $10 extra per month and not getting text messages are just the infrastructural problems that the Palm phone can’t overcome. I don’t think either is necessarily insurmountable, but even if Palm had managed to do so, the Palm phone would still be a loser on its own merits.
It’s a bad phone, you see.
sand goblet
yis
vestal briar
That The Light Phone is just an android on super power saving
sand goblet
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I love the verge for this kind of writing
even if I don't like Vox
vestal briar
350 yikes
vestal briar
I would love to listen to music right now
But just had a shower and don't want to put headphones on
vestal briar
Ok bisk
stark prawn
grim pelican
@sand goblet you reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJDPsd80f4
tulip palm
@gentle moss stop exposing me you great spoon
tulip palm
haha, i suppose :D
gentle moss
junglists eh
tulip palm
also bisk, thank you for introducing "ponce" to my vocabulary. fear not, for i shall use it well. ya ponce. :^)
stark prawn
gentle moss
what do you mean you've never used ponce?
tulip palm
i've never heard it before now.
gentle moss
to be fair it's either a girly man or a pimp
OR
to get something for free
which probably comes from the pimp bit
tulip palm
yeah google's dictionary has all that sort of stuff
gentle moss
it can also be used as a crude gay slur
tulip palm
gentle moss
but to be honest that's pretty rare and usually manly men thinking they're hard
a.k.a. people who are usually called a ponce
tulip palm
yeah i'm trying to think of the northern alternative but i can't figure it out
stark prawn
Do people actually get called ponce outside of your town?
shell blade
@stark prawn that is jackshouse stuff pretty great
stark prawn
jackshouse?
shell blade
let there be house
uh one sec let me find it it was super famous
ok so jack had a groove has been mixed and re made so many times it's like the house standard
super super famous
stark prawn
I had never heard of it.
stark prawn
Guess this is also where all the "My house is your house and your house is mine." t5hings reference to
shell blade
also this is pretty true when people talk about origins of house lol no one can agree and i have had many arguments about where it started
shell blade
i have had people from the uk claim it started their too ffs
stark prawn
Same as the ones fighting over wether hardcore came from rotterdam or amsterdam.
shell blade
it's so crazy though that jackshouse is still used so much like all the time lol
even cross-genre
i don't think anything has been sampled that much
but yeah i was just trying to say that track was lit lol
vestal briar
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sand goblet
Since someone linked green hill zone earlier
Everyone needs a little more jazz in their lives.
grim pelican
agreed
rough sapphire
@vestal briar YOU DON'T KEEP CAPS LOCK ON WHILE BROWSING? #1 I RECOMMEND
vestal briar
OH YES SORRY
rough sapphire
PRETTY MUCH INPENETRABLE FROM 0DAYS
rough sapphire
tulip palm
@shell blade i'd argue that the amen break is sampled far more than that, although i suppose @gentle moss may be able to correct me if i'm wrong because i have no idea haha
gentle moss
amen break is pretty much the most sampled piece of audio ever
stark prawn
There's an entire music genre that is just the amen break with a little extra bells and shit.
tulip palm
yeah
stark prawn
It's distinct enough to be it's own thing imo.
tulip palm
and then you've got stuff like breakcore which sneaks it in all over the place but it's almost too fast or too buried under other stuff to recognise :D
stark prawn
Although within dnb the difference between like neuro and jump up is also enormous.
tulip palm
neuro is cool
stark prawn
No you are cool.
tulip palm
aww thank you :D
but so are you
to be fair, i've heard that you can put the amen break under any tune and, assuming you've made it the right BPM, it'll work.
rough sapphire
Yeah, the amen break is definitely the most sampled piece in music. It's like the wilhelm scream in movies/tv
tulip palm
yeah
shell blade
jacks house isn't a audio sample it's more about the some or all of the lyrics being used so i don't think anyone has tracked that lol as for amen break yeah totally
agree
gentle moss
bum bum tshhh taah taah bumm tshhhh
rough sapphire
smacks bisk
Speaking of music, you'll probably like this @gentle moss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6AN1-CTUXM
@shell blade ^ You'd probably like this too
Most anything Gramatik/Parov Stelar/Glitch Mob is a good point to start from if you like that kind of stuff
rough sapphire
Pretty Lights - Finally Moving is a good song too
shell blade
guess who is having sushi tonight <-- this girl haha i just ordered a lot of sushi
shell blade
womp womp
shell blade
ok so apparently to market the new doom release Bethesda came out with a doom inspired vodka lol
rough sapphire
I don't trust Bethesda with much these days. They borked the Dark Nuka Cola release for crying out loud.
Fallout 76 is still a dumpster fire too
shell blade
the new doom games are really good so im pretty excited for it
shell blade
for the new series the first one was 2016 the sequel is suppose to be released november
shell blade
i usually dont either but the first was so good and this one also looks good too so I cant help my self lol
rough sapphire
You mean the 2016 one, or the first one?
shell blade
well both were but in this case the 2016 version
it was really neat they did a lot of throwbacks to the orginals including secret areas that were exactly like the orignal versions
rough sapphire
I mean, I'd love to say You can't possibly screw up Doom, but then I'd be let down because they screwed up Doom.
shell blade
and the soundtrack is like so perfect
well i would say try the 2016 version at least its very good and highly recommend by like everyone
who is a doom fan anyways
rough sapphire
I played Doom on my old Sansa Clip Zip when I had that years ago
golden walrus
that sounds amazing
I honestly didn't know such a thing existed, I thought it would have the power of a mid 2000s phone
like those that ran little Java games
rough sapphire
It was pretty neat, actually. Incredibly small screen and started a lot of conversations
golden walrus
but it looks exactly like Doom
rough sapphire
"That's neat and all, and I'm gonna let you finish, but have you seen DOOM?"
"Woah, how did you get it to run on that thing?"
"I'm Hackerman, duh."
rough sapphire
I think you'd enjoy Pixel Dungeon
golden walrus
Pixel Dungeon
I've played it before, but I didn't put much time into it to git gud
the only thing I play on my phone now is a japanese game of dubious morality
golden walrus
ah, you're kinda tempting me :/
was the mage a starting class?
because if it was, I always picked him
rough sapphire
Or, wait
I always picked the Rogue
What was the one you had to unlock?
Barbarian or something
golden walrus
Google Images shows me a huntress
rough sapphire
Yeah, that sounds right
golden walrus
out of 4 classes
rough sapphire
I always did the Rogue
Because you could use your cloak and sneak attack things
Also throw shurikens, I believe
rough sapphire
Not at all
Depends greatly on the game
Like for example, on Fallout 4 I decided to ||side with the Institute, because I ended up making my own jetpack. Besides, BoS are a bunch of jerks anyway.||
rough sapphire
Ouch, you're missing out
Just don't touch 76 because it's complete garbage
3, New Vegas, and 4 are pretty solid
golden walrus
I'm not too much into modern games (I know it's not exactly modern)
I spent 50+ hours playing Baldur's Gate II this year, and I stopped because I didn't have the time
golden walrus
but I bought a Tales of because a friend of mine told me it was interesting and I barely touched it
(maybe it's because I find the tropes in that Tales of somewhat boring, but it would happen with most games)
Is that the one with the mouse guy?
yeah
the game itself looks horrible but I find it hella fun
I also loved the first Deus Ex! and I played it 2 years ago for the first time
rough sapphire
I played Baldur's Gate 2 when it first came out 😄
That probably ages me a little bit, lol
golden walrus
relevant
I played Baldur's Gate 2 when it first came out 😄
we're probably about the same age then?
I'm 28
rough sapphire
Something like that 😄
golden walrus
38, alright
rough sapphire
I want to make one of those Roomba that turn your house into a Doom level.
rough sapphire
grave phoenix
Cough
half spoke
I'm actually sick rn lol
golden walrus
bold of them to approach a sick person
does it count as a mass murder if you give them the flu?
grave phoenix
I don't think so
half spoke
Hmmmm probably not
She told me vaccines kill and then took a big puff off a cigarette
grave phoenix
golden walrus
sand goblet
you can't expect them to be self-aware
half spoke
It seems like a strictly American and Australian thing
grave phoenix
Idk about the states, but here some vaccines are mandatory for children, and you need a medical prescription if you don't want your children to take it
golden walrus
I have a weird perception of the US
half spoke
Many do lmao
golden walrus
it's like each state is their own country
half spoke
Pretty much
golden walrus
so you have super progressive people and others who live in feudal times
half spoke
Yup
stark prawn
I don't think we have mandatory vaccines here gdude.
sand goblet
We definitely do over here, I'm not sure whether the ones I'm thinking of are EU or Ireland+UK though
it's part of the school system, they do it at school
when you get to the right age
doctor comes in, innoculates everyone
grave phoenix
oak tangle
That's not the case here
It's actually a political minefield that some are trying to navigate at the moment
It's starts with the question if daycare centers or schools are allowed to decline children who are not vaccinated
Which obviously leads to the question of if vaccination can be made mandatory by the state
sand goblet
I mean, the answer to "can they do that" is probably "yes" when you're talking about the state
Countries that do it haven't really reported many drawbacks
oak tangle
I was more referring to the ethical implications of that than I was to practical objections
sand goblet
Ah okay
half spoke
the state tells me whether or not i can collect rainwater lmao
sand goblet
that is false
half spoke
there are far more unethical things that they mandate
oak tangle
We've got a pretty conservative government and Christian parties still have a huge influence
half spoke
true
oak tangle
So, well, it's not going to happen soon here
sand goblet
that guy was arrested for building like 4 dams to redirect rivers and streams to his backyard
it had nothing to do with collecting rainwater
haha
half spoke
gdude, there are places in the US where a rain barrel is illegal
oak tangle
The impression I get from US politics is that stuff like this is often used to argue against government influence in areas where it's far more reasonable to have government influence
sand goblet
Not in most states
half spoke
"not in most states" summarizes most laws tbh
half spoke
the US us a trash fire for a lot of reasons, but the biggest is "muh states rights" leading to worse fragmentation than android
half spoke
still two states :^)
sand goblet
nevada and.. colerado
half spoke
existence proof
crisp hedge
Makes sense to me. Laws against diverting water exist for the protection of the environment.
crisp hedge
Yeah
sand goblet
and in nevada you can only collect it for private use, off your house, but not to be filtered for drinking
sand goblet
so it seems that there are no states where it's outright illegal
most of them just say you can't drink it
haha
which, like, fair enough
sand goblet
with today's pollution it isn't exactly clean
half spoke
just a tad dirty
crisp hedge
So it'd make sense they advise against it, but making it illegal?
half spoke
it's only a few PCBs!
sand goblet
People are stupid
half spoke
the US likes to outlaw everything
we're now talking about outlawing vapes
even though cigarettes are far more dangerous
sand goblet
oh I saw an article about that recently
crisp hedge
yeah that is kind of dumb
sand goblet
something something a bunch of people died because vaping?
half spoke
5 people
sand goblet
that doesn't sound like a lot
half spoke
it isnt
we just hate those darn vapers
because they blow bigger clouds than my cigarette
gurr millenials
crisp hedge
lol
half spoke
she's said a ton of stupid things that make me think she's a center-right moron pretending to be liberal
not that center-right means moron. just that she's center-right, and also a moron
sand goblet
Interesting, that's the first negative comment I've seen
sand goblet
Yeah
half spoke
yeah same chick
"antifa just as bad as real, actual nazis reeeee"
that both sides thing was enough to make me hate her, but i understand why people like her
sand goblet
I mean I don't 100% disagree with that comment, but I can see why it's a bit of a surprise
half spoke
"both sides"
sand goblet
when you have a movement like antifa that was co-opted by random violent people
half spoke
she's equating "the left" with actual nazis
sand goblet
and you're still getting new people willing to identify with that
half spoke
name 3 random violent people
sand goblet
it's kind of hard to defend
well that's kind of the problem isn't it
antifa doesn't have a heirarchy
sand goblet
I mean there's been plenty of antifa events that turned into riots
half spoke
well yeah, we should be rioting
sand goblet
I don't really see how terrorising the populace is a good way to get support
half spoke
anyway, i don't wanna get political here, last time i did it went south real fast lol
sand goblet
haha, okay, fair enough
I dunno, she's the only candidate that's said things that made sense, even if you agree that some of the stuff she's said is stupid
at least as far as I've seen
sand goblet
none of these people I've heard anything from though
also isn't yang her DNC competition?
half spoke
you must not be really looking, they're everywhere
sand goblet
I mean I'm not in the US, so
half spoke
exactly :P
sand goblet
but isn't that the person I'm thinking of? Yang?
sand goblet
Ah right
half spoke
but yeah, warren sanders and yang are all in it for the DNC
sand goblet
There was some DNC candidate that had Tulsi pushed out
half spoke
gabbard will literally never get it after what she did to the democrats
sand goblet
which is why she has kind of underdog support I guess
half spoke
"blah blah the democrats aren't centrist enough blah blah far left balh blah i'm not a democrat anymore"
"wait i changed my mind"
sand goblet
I mean she's right in that playing the left/right game is stupid, but yeah, I see what you mean
half spoke
most aren't
crisp hedge
but not all yeah
half spoke
a lot of people think that anything left of actual fascist is "far left"
sand goblet
I'm of the opinion that you can't have an excellent set of policies without taking frames of thought from both sides
crisp hedge
^^
sand goblet
That's centrism, as I understood it
sand goblet
I mean there are people that will hear "centrist" and retort with "so you compromise with the far left/right?"
which seems.. hyperbolic
half spoke
a lot of centrists in america are actually pretty right wing
because "center" in america is just right wing anywhere else in the world
crisp hedge
I see that
sand goblet
I wouldn't know, really
crisp hedge
whoa
sand goblet
I mean fandoms are already the worst thing anyway
crisp hedge
I don't see that
half spoke
"they aren't killing anyone so they're fine" type stuff
crisp hedge
ahhhh
half spoke
ignoring the fact that the neo-nazis have killed people, and continue to do so whenever they can
plucky ridge
Thought police kind of stuff is what they're trying to prevent
half spoke
okay but nazis should be thought policed
plucky ridge
But yeah, when you cherry pick examples and data like they do...
sand goblet
I was about to say something like what hem just said, haha
plucky ridge
I'm not arguing that
half spoke
ah alright
plucky ridge
I'm just explaining why they might come to their conclusion.
There's always multiple angles to things
sand goblet
I don't think that being enforced upon what you should think is a great idea
and that thought wouldn't be allowed under thought policing
half spoke
a lot of centrism in america is "left bad, don't wanna be an actual nazi, i'll pretend to be in the middle"
crisp hedge
wait so right automatically makes you a nazi?
sand goblet
I think a lot of the problems with opinion is that people can't tell leadership and fandom apart
to some people yes
haha
crisp hedge
wtf
plucky ridge
....
half spoke
not inherently
half spoke
👍
sand goblet
I think that's a super hard judgement call
it's why I didn't like punch-a-nazi
like, how can you tell
half spoke
the ones with swastikas
sand goblet
yeah but that isn't what that movement was about
half spoke
the ones saying we need to genocide people
sand goblet
in that case "nazi" was used like, in the twitter sense
and you know what twitter is like
half spoke
i dont