tbh, just g does it for me
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
dusky orchid
i can't deny this. my right arm is half dead
i'd love to learn something like piano one day
but that's unlikely to happen
fossil solar
im on ubuntu mate @sand goblet
dusky orchid
because nerve pain in right arm
buoyant pendant
my top commands are probably sudo, nano, apt and clear
fossil solar
which one do u use g
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snap mesed everything up for me
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oh what is he trying to install?
buoyant pendant
vs code?
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yeah was gonna say, deb is good enough
gentle moss
ouch scrags
sand goblet
The deb won't keep up to date though
gentle moss
yeah, my left hand is the heavy lifter while typing and my right is lazy
cause guitarist
dusky orchid
that's fair
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that store thing never works for me. it always hangs at 99% and wont install anything...
gentle moss
i mostly right hand one or two finger type with pinky for enter / shift
fossil solar
any tips for a new linux user, what to do after installing linux distro
dusky orchid
lol two finger typing
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or it will say it installed something and then its nowhere to find!
dusky orchid
my dad does that
gentle moss
yet still hit over 100wpm
on one hand :P
left hand is all fingers
and big stretches
it crosses the middle line
dusky orchid
i'm not quick, only hitting maybe 80 on a good day
the more i type the slower it gets
dusky orchid
in school i used to refuse to do the touch typing classes
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@fossil solar
cmatrix -s```whats that\
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then tell everyone you are a hacker!
dusky orchid
@fossil solar as a note, never just install anything that people tell you to
gentle moss
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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its a c implementation of that matrix screen
fossil solar
.... -_-
gentle moss
a million types don't type random terminal commands
buoyant pendant
you know where the letters come down from the top
buoyant pendant
fair enough
dusky orchid
sure, but a lot of things are hidden as possibly harmless fun things
gentle moss
do not type in random shit without knowing exactly what it does
dusky orchid
google everything
dusky orchid
yep
buoyant pendant
i hope cmatrix is clean 0_0
dusky orchid
even if they were previously clean they can be later compromised
it's best to always double check when installing something new
dusky orchid
so it's all just pacman -Syu
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iceman did you want vs or vs code?
gentle moss
update updates the database list for the apt manager
dusky orchid
esp since he was comparing it to n++
fossil solar
vs code it is
dusky orchid
pacman -Syy for me. I never remember these damn commands when i want them.
buoyant pendant
this site will tell you how to add the vscode repo to apt and then install it:
https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-visual-studio-code-on-ubuntu-18-04/
dusky orchid
snap also keeps it up to date
buoyant pendant
wait. is wget not installed by default?
buoyant pendant
sudo apt install software-properties-common apt-transport-https wget
they all look like things that should be installed by default..
dusky orchid
well if it's installed already it'll just be skipped
so it's not terrible to add it just in case i guess
buoyant pendant
i guess so
dusky orchid
esp if someone ends up using a random custom install
i like how that site you linked doesn't load for me
dusky orchid
the cdn failed
buoyant pendant
sudo apt updatesudo apt install software-properties-common apt-transport-https wget```then
add the key
wget -q https://packages.microsoft.com/keys/microsoft.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -
and then enable the repo
sudo add-apt-repository "deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode stable main"```then just install it
dusky orchid
is it just me, or is these super transparent terminals really hard to read
fossil solar
guys my distro has python 2.7 installed
gentle moss
all distros do
dusky orchid
not all
gentle moss
there's a large portion of shit that still depend on it
dusky orchid
it's just not unusual
buoyant pendant
showoff @dusky orchid
fossil solar
which commands get me python3
dusky orchid
that's not me @buoyant pendant
gentle moss
sudo apt-get install python3
dusky orchid
that's just r/unixporn
buoyant pendant
ubuntu always comes with py2.7 a lot of it runs on python
dusky orchid
mine is no longer transparent
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so never uninstall it
dusky orchid
and when it was it was only down to 80%
dusky orchid
gentle moss
you will break EVERYTHING
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i once removed py2.7 heheh
dusky orchid
don't touch system python tbh
gentle moss
you'll have to add the PPA
dusky orchid
all system pythons should just be left alone
dusky orchid
you could use pyenv pretty sure
summer rampart
pyenv is nice
buoyant pendant
and then apt install python3.7
gentle moss
i accidentally aliased python to python3
buoyant pendant
what broke for you?
gentle moss
everything
fossil solar
should i follow this?
summer rampart
best python alias is py
dusky orchid
py is very windows of you lol
buoyant pendant
yeah that should work iceman
gentle moss
it's very lazy of me
summer rampart
I have neovim aliased to v lol
dusky orchid
afaik there's no perfect eq to py manager in windows on linux
fossil solar
waittt
buoyant pendant
thats from source. you dont need to do that @fossil solar
dusky orchid
closest might be pyenv maybe, but that does a lot more
fossil solar
how to update to 3.7
dusky orchid
you dont update to 3.7
dusky orchid
you install 3.7
fossil solar
waat
fossil solar
okay
buoyant pendant
in general never remove anything heheh. might break something
dusky orchid
it'll exist as python3.7
fossil solar
okay
dusky orchid
i used to have a set of build commands for 3.7 actually
gentle moss
INSTALL ALL THE PYTHONS
buoyant pendant
sudo apt autoremove will clean some stuff up for you if you really want to
gentle moss
or when removing an install and want to completely remove all configs and shit
sudo apt remove --purge <app>
dusky orchid
yeah i don't tend to touch autoremove
gentle moss
"remove 'unused packages'? what could possibly go wrong!"
buoyant pendant
i couldnt even open a terminal
gentle moss
hello macos
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had to use the ctrl shift f3 or whatever it is
i have literally no customization.
i like the ubuntu fox logo they have rn
fossil solar
which distro
buoyant pendant
ubuntu 18 or 19. the one with the fox
fossil solar
🤔
dusky orchid
oh we showing desktops?
fossil solar
u guys custamise ur terminal?
buoyant pendant
yes
dusky orchid
sure
fossil solar
okay lemme do it as well
buoyant pendant
little bit of transparency. and changed color
fossil solar
default one is not bad tho but some transparency will be good
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also changed the uhh theme for ubuntu
rough sapphire
have you tried powerpoint
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haha
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python3.7
fossil solar
cuz if i just type python,it uses 2.7
dusky orchid
python3.7
rough sapphire
shazam
fossil solar
okay,dint know it was that simple
dusky orchid
ye that's it
buoyant pendant
you can see what you can do by hitting tab.
python<tab>
that will show you all the commands that start with python
fossil solar
okay
sand goblet
Gnome with desktop icons
buoyant pendant
come to find out im still on the beaver version of ubuntu.
dusky orchid
sand goblet
You monster
buoyant pendant
wha
dusky orchid
fossil solar
jeez 3 screens
sand goblet
I have 3 too
fossil solar
wow
buoyant pendant
if i count my laptop as a screen i have 3! but i never do that
fossil solar
cya pokemon
sand goblet
fossil solar
all 3 linux?
dusky orchid
all 3 is the same pc, so yeah
dusky orchid
i no longer have windows installed on this machine
sand goblet
I have but I don't use it often
fossil solar
oki
oak tangle
I have windows installed, but I'm afraid to boot to it, since it will probably update for a year by now
dusky orchid
i already did :3
sand goblet
I'm not home to do that
But I use the default manjaro bash with tilix, adapta nokto theme
dusky orchid
@fossil solar it's a colour scheme called OneDark, named after the original editor syntax scheme
fossil solar
okay
dusky orchid
the font is FuraCode, a NerdFont variant of FiraCode
fossil solar
i will google it
dusky orchid
also the shell is zsh, and i use the Oh My Zsh framework for zsh configs
and the zsh theme is called powerlevel10k/powerlevel10k
that's what gives the more graphical cli look
gentle moss
oooooh
we posting desks?
intentionally low resolution so you can't see my google query about mssql being a piece of shit
or my awful code
fossil solar
installed pycham
fossil solar
charm*
rough sapphire
why the FUCK your feet on table
I'm more interested as to why @gentle moss doesn't use the top shoe holes
buoyant pendant
hah
gentle moss
these laces were too small
i snapped one the other day and this is all i had
it feels weird because the shoes feel like they're about to fall off my feet
i always wear my shoes super tight, i preferred it when skateboarding
rough sapphire
y'all got an awful lot of screens
vapid bluff
bisk is that a stuffed raccoon
fossil solar
i have pycharm tar
i can run it by ./pycharm.sh
what is another easier way
like i have to run it always to open pycharm
vapid bluff
tools -> create desktop entry or something like that
gentle moss
it's a red panda, but close meta
fossil solar
how
gentle moss
and feet on table to make my job look casual xx
rough sapphire
@fossil solar Download it
vapid bluff
there's a way to make a launcher shortcut inside pycharm itself
gentle moss
it's not like this desk is new or even ours.
rough sapphire
gentle moss
it's got massive score marks in it where some dickhead cut up some stuff without using a mat
rough sapphire
yikes
actually my current desktop set up is different, I recently assembled a new table for myself
it uses motors to go up and down
fuckin motors
it's also incredibly heavy
gentle moss
this one weighs a ton
fossil solar
i think i will do desktop entry
gentle moss
it's one of those huge business office desks
plus i have 3 of them
i basically get an entire corner of the office to myself
rough sapphire
@fossil solar Toolbox is actually a lot easier, and you don't have to mess with anything else.
buoyant pendant
here i would even go as far as to use snap to install pycharm/toolbox
why?
if his pycharm.sh file is in .
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sudo tar -xzf jetbrains-toolbox-1.13.4801.tar.gz -C /opt
fossil solar
i extracted it
buoyant pendant
that will extract it to the /opt directory
rough sapphire
Should be a single executable in the tar
buoyant pendant
ok then inside the dir it makes there is a binary called jetbrains-toolbox
fossil solar
what will happen if i extract in downloads folder
buoyant pendant
execute that
rough sapphire
then add /opt/jetbrains-whatever to the path (or append /bin as well if it needs it)
@fossil solar nothing, but you usually want your executables to be somewhere read-only
buoyant pendant
@fossil solar this is a installer script by jetbrains that does it for you
https://github.com/nagygergo/jetbrains-toolbox-install
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ok
fossil solar
should i also extract the pycharm tar there itself?
buoyant pendant
remember to replace
sudo tar -xzf jetbrains-toolbox-1.13.4801.tar.gz -C /opt
with your version
gentle moss
fossil solar
what about the pycharm tar
gentle moss
SOOOO MUCH DESK
fossil solar
okay
rough sapphire
why the hell is your desk so w a v y
and is that.. a picture of trump?
eating what appears to be someone's face?
fossil solar
done @buoyant pendant
fossil solar
where is this opt folder
buoyant pendant
@fossil solar ok! now cd into /opt/mytoolboxfolder and execute the jetbrains-toolbox
gentle moss
rough sapphire
usually people keep pics of their kids or gf on their desk, bisk keeps a pic of donald trump eating ted cruz
buoyant pendant
cd /opt/jetbrains-toolbox-<tab>
gentle moss
it was a freebie from Internet Comment Etiquette when i got a load of t-shirts xx
buoyant pendant
that is a full path.
its like C:\User\iceman\... on windows
so you can just call
cd /opt/jetbrains-toolbox-<tab>
fossil solar
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
vapid bluff
you know what that pic reminds me of
fossil solar
\ or /
vapid bluff
there's a parasite bug looking thing that lives in fish mouths
buoyant pendant
its /
fossil solar
okay
gentle moss
i mean that's literally why i find it hilarious meta.
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like in the msgs above
gentle moss
because ted cruz is a dirty little goblin
fossil solar
same error
buoyant pendant
can you paste it
fossil solar
cd /opt/jetbrains-toolbox-<tab>
fossil solar
ahh
buoyant pendant
so cd /opt/jetbrains-toolbox-"hit tab here"
fossil solar
worked now
buoyant pendant
sry bout that
fossil solar
what does ./ do
buoyant pendant
execute a file
buoyant pendant
well. to execute a executable you have to call it with its full path
unless its part of your path
fossil solar
oh
buoyant pendant
. always means the current directory
fossil solar
okay
buoyant pendant
so ./ just means currentdirectory/myexecutalbe
fossil solar
oki
btw
in my software botique
spotify is not installing
says Package spotify-client isn't available
should i get it from the website then?
buoyant pendant
yeah i guess so
buoyant pendant
nice
fossil solar
so if i want to run toolbox again, i have to do the same procedure?
buoyant pendant
no
you should be able to execute it from the start menu or whatever its called
does your keyboard have a windows button?
fossil solar
yes
buoyant pendant
or on the top left for you where it says "menu"
fossil solar
yes
fossil solar
yea i see it
buoyant pendant
nice
fossil solar
another thing
i have my pycharm projects in my hard disk
should i just copy them over to my PycharmProjects folder?
buoyant pendant
shouldnt really matter.
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hmm
fossil solar
maybe i should just git clone my own projects?
buoyant pendant
ive never had a external hard disk attached or had problems with github...
ahh
it probably changed all the line endings
can you check what got modified
on windows its \r\n and linux just uses \n
buoyant pendant
i guess commit and push your project with the new line endings
buoyant pendant
?
buoyant pendant
huh
buoyant pendant
yeah you cant see line endings
fossil solar
oh
fossil solar
yea
buoyant pendant
stands for carriage return (\r) and line feed (\n)
buoyant pendant
yeah
fossil solar
and push?
fossil solar
will it affect pull reqs?
buoyant pendant
no idea
fossil solar
okay
languid silo
hi guys im new here can python be used for controling minds?
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@oak tangle ^^
languid silo
what is rust?
oak tangle
Well, you know, iron gets into contact with oxygen, the two like each other, so they go into a redox reaction together and, bam, iron oxide a.k.a. rust
It's also the name of a programming language
Which is what the ot-name is referring to
fossil solar
iron in presence of moisture and O2 = Rust after long time
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iron o2 and some energy!
buoyant pendant
nice!
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yeah a lot of apps have install on linux sections.
mostly because the devs that make those apps use linux allot
im pretty sure the linux version of discord is something the devs made for themselves and released
fossil solar
haha
buoyant pendant
explains why the control panel is called something like "super secret discord control panel" haha
languid silo
is rust lang better than python? i must know
buoyant pendant
hmmm. i wonder what the python discord will say to that hahah
gonna go with python
dusky orchid
it's not like the reasons given are going to really be helpful to a self-confessed newbie either. if you're genuinely interested in programming, try both and evaluate which suits you personally yourself
languid silo
yea that sounds good
fossil solar
scragly can u check #tools-and-devops
languid silo
ill try some rust tonight
fossil solar
👍 let us know how u feel about it
languid silo
i think the path ahead is clear for me
to really answer my own question
i will learn rust
then i will implement a python 3 interpreter in rust
and then i will truly know
whether rust > python for me
dusky orchid
that makes zero sense
oak tangle
That sounds like a really good plan, actually
dusky orchid
and sounds like shitposting
oak tangle
Indeed
languid silo
i am 100% serious
oak tangle
Ah
buoyant pendant
go for it
languid silo
save this comment, in 4 months i will reply to you
buoyant pendant
ok i set a reminder for 4 months
rough sapphire
no one uses rust
rough sapphire
so.. it would let me use a gif in help channel.. but I get the feeeling I would be in trouble if I did
is it a trap?
pliant pawn
what font do you use for coding? my eyes hurt
sand goblet
I appear to be using DejaVu Sans Mono
gentle moss
i learned recently that there's a comic sans mono font and that's super good for people with dyslexia and stuff
vestal briar
Was talking to someone about that on a different server
sand goblet
there's also https://opendyslexic.org/
gentle moss
pretty cool
pliant pawn
apaprently dejavu or anything from the sans family is not a part of IDLE standard library, pooh
i know it might be weird, but i enjoy coding on the phone more than on the pc...
pliant pawn
yeah, downloaded it as a simplest editor available
well, technically notepad would be simplest
pliant pawn
got that too, but it takes like a minute to launch
pliant pawn
pydroid 3 is a very nice android application that i just finished writing a no-matrix NN on
rough sapphire
keep your computer running
sand goblet
if I'm writing code then I start my IDE when I boot and leave it open
stark prawn
Think of the planet.
sand goblet
to be fair it opens in seconds on my machine, but still
rough sapphire
no one think about the planet when take 1 min to open your editor
vestal briar
Who even uses rust
pliant pawn
the planet could use more scientific advances for a renewable energy source
sand goblet
Hem does!
stark prawn
If you don't launch it from a hdd it should be fine.
rough sapphire
stark prawn
I would never suggest anyone get a SSHD.
sand goblet
the very first SSDs had that problem but that was a loooong time ago
stark prawn
They are the worst of both worlds.
pliant pawn
ive had two ssds and two sd cards burn on me in the past 6 years
sand goblet
I'm actually using a hybrid drive right now
although it has a separate mode, which is what I have it set to
pliant pawn
granted, i abuse them like tehres no tomorrow, but their rw cycles are still way worse than the wear and tear of hdd
gentle moss
i just double checked and i'm on dejavu mono too
sand goblet
if you're burning through SSDs like that then either your SSDs are cheap crap or you're doing something really weird
gentle moss
sans
stark prawn
For that usecase there are archive hdds
gentle moss
i used to use tahoma
rough sapphire
what's wrong with sshd, how else would you access your server!?
sand goblet
oh yeah that reminds me
mounting SSH turned out to be a dud
it just gives me "invalid command" when I try to upload anything
rough sapphire
wait, what?
gentle moss
hybrid drives? lol
stark prawn
SSHFS has been great for me.
rough sapphire
what filesystem?
pliant pawn
reinstalling the system (or flashing) on a solid state is eating at their rwc bad
sand goblet
ext4?
pliant pawn
sshd is basically an ssd and hdd slapped together with duct tape
uses sd memory for quick access, hdd for long term storage
sand goblet
if you're reinstalling your OS that often then you have bigger problems
gentle moss
i'm aware of what an SSHD is
they're just all the problems of a HDD with a little bit of cache
pliant pawn
yeah, its called windows 10
gentle moss
just get two drives
sand goblet
that sounds like a you problem, Cybrid
pliant pawn
idk, does anyone here like windows 10?
gentle moss
yes
rough sapphire
yes
sand goblet
yes
pliant pawn
youse weird peoples
gentle moss
way more than win 7
stark prawn
Haven't used it really so can't tell.
rough sapphire
and I'm a Linux person
sand goblet
well we actually know how to make use of it
gentle moss
i am also an IT professional who works on linux nearly all day
sand goblet
I too am a Linux person
gentle moss
along side Windows 10
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Win10 is the best windows so far
hands down
the UI is a bit of a bitch
buoyant pendant
linux if nvidia didnt have linux as much...
gentle moss
but in terms of functionality it's superb
sand goblet
the nvidia that started to release OSS drivers recently?
gentle moss
and a VAST improvement on 7
buoyant pendant
installing anything from nvidia is horrible
sand goblet
yeah if only they didn't hate the OSS community
to be fair it took them fucking forever, but
buoyant pendant
i gave up like a year ago and haven't tried since..
sand goblet
stark prawn
Don't they only have OSS drivers for Tegra's and such?
gentle moss
yes
sand goblet
they do have that, yeah
buoyant pendant
yeah but none of the cuda stuff works with nouveau
rough sapphire
we use nouveau magic in the Nintendo Switch homebrew scene
sand goblet
see above
buoyant pendant
i was trying to get tensorflow and some other cuda/cudnn stuff working on linux. impossible task
rough sapphire
hardware acceleration in homebrew used to be a big oof - we needed to dissect and port nouveau memes to HorizonOS
rough sapphire
@stark prawn yes, if you're running Linux on it.
stark prawn
Tegra is what they use for cars and such
gentle moss
quattro
rough sapphire
I'm talking about native homebrew
stark prawn
Quadro is the workstation/server one yeah,.
stark prawn
They activly block some server features on rtx/gtx
grave phoenix
Yeah C++ is better
stark prawn
Like you have to trick your consumer gpu into thinking it's not in a virtual machine.
gentle moss
it's the first 4WD rally
stark prawn
Otherwise it just won't do.
rough sapphire
2020 is the year of the RISC-V desktop
gentle moss
vestal briar
I have heard 2020 is the year of x already today
pliant pawn
how hard do you think it would be to write a NN without using numpy or any matrices?
because it seems like i did it, but it might be stupid and wrong
buoyant pendant
not that hard
might not be very fast
i mean you will have to use matrices
but you can implement those yourself
pliant pawn
its just everywhere i looked everyone used numpy and those long complicated words
took me a couple weeks to reverse engineer everything and create my own
technically lists are still matrices right?
because i only use lists
buoyant pendant
yeah kinda
vestal briar
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0MJBni0UzdnML1amikx0Rc?si=dvY__smmRVCAz62nk-ALRg Most likely been posted but fun anyway
hidden depot
Hmm
rough sapphire
wow that embed is super cool
jagged fog
@languid silo watch it
languid silo
animation looks good
jagged fog
it is top notch
languid silo
ok sold
jagged fog
If there was no story, no development... I would still watch it
just for animation
there's a episode with this particular scene that was done so well that I would easily rank it 10
cerulean basin
Dr Stone
Vinland Saga
those are the other seasonal ones I am following
Also heard Fire Force is good but it doesn't seem to appeal to my tastes
rough sapphire
anime?
jagged fog
I watched first 2 ep of fireforce, seems okay
rough sapphire
have you heard of Hell Girl
cerulean basin
As for Kimtesu, I'd rate it somewhere between 7 and 8 out of 10 so far. But I don't like to give ratings before I've watched it in full. I'm also behind like a month in epsiodes
And yeah Tron this is an anime discussion
cerulean basin
Yeah it looks good
That type of genre generally isn't my thing that's why I am not crazy over the show like some others
jagged fog
I just love the visuals, story is idk okay I guess
vapid bluff
electronics savvy people
would i be able to read audio signal values from a 3.5mm jack on a breadboard hooked up to analog pins on an esp8266?
doesnt need to be very accurate, i just need to get rough volume levels
gentle moss
idk but i can tell you that the average audio signal is 0.3v to 2v
vapid bluff
reading up on some stuff now. i could possibly work with that
seems the analog pins on the 8266 read from 0-3.3v
vapid bluff
oh constant voltage?
gentle moss
no, peak to peak
gentle moss
on a sine wave
vapid bluff
got it
gentle moss
my knowledge may be out of date as i learned it like 8-10 years ago
but i don't think sound stuff would've changed that much
vapid bluff
theyre killing the audio jack 😦
gentle moss
it'll never die
trust me
same as vinyl
excuse me, wtf did you just do in that subject line?
fuckers
what's with pentesting java shit then @rough sapphire ?
rough sapphire
it's just disgusting code barfed into a million tiny files that serve no other purpose than to piss me off
and since i'm missing some sort of deps, my IDE's auto-what-where feature isn't working either
which sort of actually doesn't make sense, as I can build the project fine
obviously it's looking at the wrong place for the deps
rough sapphire
this is an api, most of the time when we're working with apis or web applications, we're provided the sauce
but, again, it depends
government, for example, rarely ever does and those have to be treated as a grey box (sometimes even black if the devs are nonces and give us no fucking documentation)
gentle moss
ouch
vapid bluff
bisk
i ripped open a 3.5mm male-male cable and connected one end to my pc
am not getting any proper readings from the other
it's like at 900 mV all the time
gentle moss
with audio down it?
gentle moss
got an oscilloscope?
vapid bluff
dont have jack shit 😄
gentle moss
hmm
vapid bluff
just a crappy 10 dollar multimeter
oh im an idiot
the jack wasnt fully plugged in 🙃
gentle moss
haha
gentle moss
you're measuring in AC?
vapid bluff
nope
gentle moss
try that
vapid bluff
ac headphones? o.O
the ac reading on this multimeter has two levels
200 and 300 lel
getting 0 atm
gentle moss
oof
you might uhhh
need some better kit
but you've maybe found your offset
1.5v
vapid bluff
i wonder if theres something else that goes on for the pc to recognize that a pair of headphones is actually plugged in before transmitting audio
and free wires maybe dont do whatever that is
vapid bluff
oo let's try that
gentle moss
although it COULD do something smart like measuring resistive load
not sure why you would do that though
maybe prevent a short but that'd be on bigger stuff
rough sapphire
well.. yeah
rough sapphire
your 10 dollar multimeter won't be able to pick up the audio imho, it might just float at one value, i'd personally use an oscilloscope
vapid bluff
oh ok, so one of L/R to ground, then meter on the other?
yeah probably not xx
but it's interesting so im still gonna try 😛
gentle moss
at least you've seen 1.5v across as DC
gentle moss
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vapid bluff
but idk anything about anything
vapid bluff
i wonder if there's like a electronics club or something in town
and maybe theyll let me use their scope lol
nothing shows up on google
i feel bad for butchering this poor innocent cable now
but progress demands sacrifice
gentle moss
could always re-wire it, unless you cut it near the ends
vapid bluff
yeah i cut too far up like a moron
gentle moss
i always cut on the assumption that at some point i might want to use that end again
rough sapphire
can I do something like this?
global var a, var b
or is it global var a global var b
vapid bluff
global a, b works i think
rough sapphire
OH crap... I just realized... I think functions can be objects of a function class?
Is that true?
like, can a function derive from another function?
dusky orchid
I think functions can be objects of a function class
sure, thetypeof a function isfunction, which means it has it's ownfunctionclass that determines it's attributes, methods and behaviour.
can a function derive from another function
No.
rough sapphire
but... a class can derive from another class
so I can just derive a class, and then put the altered function in that
dusky orchid
yes, and an individual function is an instance of that class. each instance don't get derived from each other
it's classes that get subclassed
rough sapphire
Understood! Thank you!
I refactored my code once. It was successful! I am going to attempt to do it again by using inheritance.
I have a legit question though about modules.
I mean... technically speaking... I could put all my code in one module?
dusky orchid
sure
rough sapphire
Are they for organization? or...
dusky orchid
structure and convenience, yes
rough sapphire
so....
If I make global variables in one module...
by importing.. does it import the global variable?
please don't use globals 
XX, I'm just learning, ok? Chill. I know I'm supposed to be attempting to not use them.
Thats' why I'm asking this question.
i am chill
Aight cool
I"m just learning about them
but to answer your question - no, a global within an imported module is not global to the entire project, just the module
if they aren't supposed to be used, why are they used? whats the use case for them.... I feel that would be more helpful than "don't use them". just my 2p
sand goblet
There are genuine use-cases for them
but those use-cases are few and far between, they're quite esoteric
they're considered a code smell unless you absolutely need them
rough sapphire
I see now why they were not necessary in what I was doing, but yeea... would like prime examples of how it causes problems.
fossil solar
yo whats going on
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire most of the time, it makes code less clear - and it's also really not thread safe at all
That makes sense, actually.
summer rampart
another thing is that globals make it very difficult to determine which functions read and wrote to the variable, so debugging becomes tougher as you have to keep track of a global state rather than just following the state passed between functions
rough sapphire
yeah, anything can access a global, so it's next to impossible to keep track of what accesses it at what point of the program execution
rough sapphire
def main_func():
var a = 1
def my_func():
print(var a)
my_func()```Can someone help me understand this...
var a is NOT global because it's in a function, right?
my_func won't print 1 will it?
rough sapphire
ok man I give up. everyone is telling me not to use global variables, but my god would they make my life so much easier
I cannot see any other way to write my code, except for using a global var
dusky orchid
the above is just a basic syntax error, it's not related to globals
def main_func():
a = 1
def my_func():
print(a)
my_func()
you won't be able to edit a though
def main_func():
a = 1
def my_func():
a = 2 # no
print(a)
my_func()
OH! THAT EXPLAINS MY PROBLEM!
dusky orchid
def main_func():
a = 1
def my_func():
nonlocal a
a = 2 # yes
print(a)
my_func()
no tool is bad unless you use it badly 
dusky orchid
nonlocal is just unlocking that variable to be editable to outside it's current scope
rough sapphire
ok
dusky orchid
it's unusual to do tbh
and usually it's more common to keep things in scope
def main_func():
a = 1
def my_func(b):
c = 2 * b
print(c)
return c
a_result = my_func(a)
it's more readible and it's clearer what's been processed and where
rough sapphire
I'll write some code to show you specifically my problem
def main_func():
a = 0
def func1():
a = int(input())
def func2():
func1()
print(a)
func2()```so what'll happen is
func1 doesn't change a
and so it ends up printing 0
what am I supposed to do in a situation like this?
@dusky orchid
dusky orchid
inner funcs that aren't conditional like this seem odd
and mostly useless
why can't you just keep all the logic in one function (main_func)
dusky orchid
it wouldn't be an inner function in that case though
rough sapphire
and if i don't do it this way it'll be spaghetti spaghetti
dusky orchid
since you'd want to define that re-used code once
dusky orchid
yep
rough sapphire
AHA
dusky orchid
that's how to store a returned value
rough sapphire
that's the solution to this problem
dusky orchid
probably
rough sapphire
I see now
I can now use a local variable just by assigning the functions returned value to that variable
!
thank you scrag
i been at this problem for 3 hours now
dusky orchid
no probs
rough sapphire
1 week worth of learning how not to use a global variable and spaghetti code. Totally worth it. :)
sand goblet
I wonder if I can extract our club's crest from the old site and waifu2x it or something
I need a high resolution version of it and of course nobody has one
hnnng
doubt
sand goblet
haha
rough sapphire
is that really the highest resolution you can find
rough sapphire
the crest, I mean
rough sapphire
I could try vectorizing it
sand goblet
there is this one
I was thinking about that
I'd do it myself if I had any clue how
The shield is probably not too hard
summer rampart
import numpy as np; np.vectorize(img) pretty sure this definitely for sure 100% works
rough sapphire
paths n shit
sand goblet
I would kill for a line vector for this damn thing
okay, inkscape, come here
..where the heck is the path tool
I swear I used it before
summer rampart
isn't there like a convert to path thingy in one of the menus?
sand goblet
wait, you think I can convert the image above to a vector automatically?
maybe that's the case
sand goblet
inkscape is not good at this
sand goblet
I tried that but it makes like a bajillion points
nah, this is stupid, I don't have the skills for this
what the heck am I doing
as always, I know what I want and I can't make it
rough sapphire
What on Earth is this abomination
plucky ridge
Yeah it gets difficult. Well, it's a bit easier if you don't sweat the par scores
But it's hard not to be like "HOW DID THEY DO IT IN 3 STEPS"
I'm not even a perfectionist and that still killed me time and time again
minor jewel
it counts letters as a zero
the only fix for me is do it in like 10 commands or more
i cant come up with anything else
no, it all is randomized and there are more boxes coming
letter is always coming fourth
plucky ridge
Well I'll say the same thing about that as I do here
Solutions that work but take longer are better than solutions that don't work but are optimized
dry zenith
rough sapphire
can you return multiple variables with one function?
rough sapphire
Cool thanks
undone berry
Oh also, in case it isn't obvious, you get the values out by doing 'return a, b' not with 2 return statements
vestal briar
Alright then
minor jewel
how it all works in this god damn game
vapid bluff
bit confused here
why are there two sets of files with the same name
ubuntu-bionic-core-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz
which one am i supposed to download
oh
derp, misread arm64 as amd64
gentle moss
haha
rough sapphire
how the fuck am I only just learning that there's a character named Rasmus in Hotline Miami
sand goblet
It's good
undone berry
For the people who essentially live in the terminal, do you type properly with all your fingers, or do your just hunt and peck?
sand goblet
I type properly regardless of what I'm doing
undone berry
So do I. I'm just curious if there people who like doing everything via the command line who don't touch type
gentle moss
so much tab complete
not being able to touch type is a concept i don't think i can quite grasp unless i'm preeeeetttty drunk
as long as my index fingers hit f and j and i'm facing the keyboard, we're all good
wonder what happens if you turn a keyboard 180 and try to touch type
.x.7nhvl8cl;76xm,nnb7;lfko
10 points for decoding
gentle moss
yeah. you can really let shit flwo from your fingers while not really paying attention
undone berry
Yeah that's the difference. I don't care hugely about the speed, but typing requires 0 thought or effort
gentle moss
yeah, it's super great when you've got multiple screens too
i'm currently looking at some code on monitor 3 while qwriting this
awww
typos
more coffee.
rough sapphire
the bottom eyelid of my right eye has been constantly twitching for a solid week now
and it's pissing me. the fuck. off.
tired osprey
you sound pretty damn healthy
tired osprey
rough sapphire
I'm not stressed at all though, like I haven't been this non-stressed in my life for a very long time
tired osprey
what are you even doing all day long